Spurned auto dealers beg sympathy from Congress
Of all the problems involved in (temporary) government ownership of Chrysler and GM, this one is potentially the most difficult: When tough business decisions are made, it’s going to be easy for those on the wrong end to run to Congress and complain.
In this case, it’s been obvious for years that both GM and Chrysler had too many dealerships for the number of cars they were selling. Any effective rescue plan, private or public, would have to address the issue and cut the dealer network to a financially feasible size. And without a rescue plan, all — not some — of the dealerships would have collapsed.
In this case, executives from within the two companies — not politicians or gov’t bureaucrats — made the decisions about which dealers would be dropped.
“Facing criticism from the hundreds of auto dealers slated to be shut down, Chrysler and General Motors executives plan to tell Congress today that although they regret the closures, the cuts are necessary to preserve their viability.
Last month, Chrysler told 789 dealers across the country that their franchises would be revoked. The next day, General Motors announced that it would drop 1,100 dealers by next year.
The companies, now being overhauled under the guidance of the Obama administration’s autos task force, say they have too many dealers to function efficiently….
Shortly after the hearing started, committee chairman Sen. John D. Rockefeller (D-W.V.) voiced his support for the dealerships.
“Let me be very clear — I don’t believe that companies should be allowed to take taxpayer funds for a bailout and then leave local dealers and their customers to fend for themselves with no real notice and no real help. It’s just plain wrong. . . . it’s a nationwide tragedy that a lot of us feel strongly about.”
I should also point out that last week, the conservative blogosphere was all atwitter at the claim that those dealerships that were closed had generally been donors to Republican candidates or causes, implying that politics had determined which dealerships stayed open. Those making the charge failed to consider that those dealerships that stayed open had also generally been donors to Republican causes or candidates. Auto dealers in general, it turns out, contribute more heavily to Republicans, and there was no evidence that donor records played a role in determining who stayed in business and who did not.
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getalife
June 3rd, 2009
3:50 pm
With every issue, the donors and lobbyist’s legal bribery is involved yet ignored by Americans. Until this legal bribery is made illegal, the American people will continue to get screwed.
Joe Matarotz
June 3rd, 2009
3:51 pm
The article below was reprinted from DealersEdge, an automotive trade newsletter.
A few years ago, Brian Deese took a leave of absence from Yale Law School to volunteer for Hillary Clinton’s Senate and presidential campaigns. After she dropped out of the presidential race, Mr. Deese moved over to the Obama campaign. Instead of returning to law school, though, Mr. Deese, who has never had a real job before, now has his hands on the controls at General Motors.
As a special assistant to the president for economic policy, the 31-year-old Mr. Deese, has been part of the automotive task force since Election Day. In fact, “There was a time between Nov. 4 and mid-February when I was the only full-time member of the auto task force,” Mr. Deese told The New York Times.
Mr. Deese doesn’t have any business school training and his “career path” so far has been anything but a straight line. He held some volunteer jobs in Washington before going to law school but friends from Washington kept encouraging him to come back.
While driving from Chicago to Washington, Mr. Desse pulled over into the parking lot of GM’s Lordstown, Ohio, plant, to get some sleep. It was as close as he had ever come to the realities of the car business. Ironically, Lordstown produces the Pontiac G5, which will disappear under a plan worked on by Mr. Deese.
Joe Matarotz
June 3rd, 2009
3:57 pm
Here is the National Automobile Dealers Association position on governemnt mandated dealership closings.
NADA OPPOSES UNNECESSARY, FORCED DEALERSHIP CLOSURES
Issue
The Obama Auto Task Force has demanded the rapid and disorderly elimination of thousands of Chrysler
and General Motors dealers. The Task Force is relying on a dangerous misperception that new car dealers somehow create a cost burden to auto manufacturers. Instead of being cost centers, dealers are the primary source of revenue for manufacturers. Dealers purchase their vehicles and outsource almost all the costs associated with selling and servicing cars. The President and Congress must reexamine the Task Force dealer plan and the destructive consequences of dramatic and rapid dealership reduction plans on employment, communities, consumers and auto industry viability.
Background
On March 30, the Auto Task Force, an unelected panel of advisors with no automotive experience,
mandated that Chrysler and GM revise their dealership reduction plans and make more dramatic and
accelerated cuts. The Chrysler reorganization calls for the quick elimination of as many as 1,000
dealerships, out of about 3,500 dealers. The task force wants GM to aggressively move to close down 2,600
of its 6,246 dealerships (about 40 percent) by 2010. In the next few weeks a total of over 3,000 Chrysler
and GM dealerships throughout the country could be targeted and forced to close their doors.
Key Points
• The Auto Task Force is Unnecessarily Putting Nearly 150,000 Employees Out of Work. With
unemployment at 8.9 percent, it doesn’t make sense to eliminate nearly 150,000 well-paying jobs at
dealerships across the country. Just this year, dealership closures have already put more than 50,000
Americans out of work. Employees losing jobs will find it especially difficult to find new employment
due to the dire state of auto retailing.
• Forced Dealer Closings will Hurt Communities. Dealerships are owned by independent
entrepreneurs who buy their land and buildings, pay for new motor vehicles from the manufacturer, and
even buy the sign out front with the manufacturer’s logo on it. There will be significant ripple effects
with the loss of dealer’s expenditures in the local and state economies. It is extraordinarily difficult for
a dealer to represent another vehicle franchise; therefore, closures will result in shuttered storefronts,
and idled dealer real estate that is not easily transferable to other uses.
• Fewer Dealers Would Mean State And Local Governments Will Lose Millions Of Dollars in Auto
Sales Tax Revenue.
• Fewer Dealers Would Mean Reduced Competition And Convenience For Consumers. Dealers
have invested about $233 billion to create an auto sales network that provides a vast distribution and
service channel for consumers.
• Cutting Dealers At This Time Would Do Nothing To Make GM Or Chrysler More Viable.
Dealers equal revenue to manufacturers, not costs. Dealers generate more than 90% of manufacturer
revenue. Auto manufacturers created the franchise dealer network to outsource virtually 100 percent of
the cost associated with selling and servicing cars. A rapid reduction in dealer numbers would further
CUT manufacturer revenue and market share and do NOTHING to improve the manufacturer’s viability
in the short term. Even according to GM executives, under a best case scenario, it takes 18 months to
regain market share when a dealership closes.
May 2009
TUESDAY VANDY GIRL
June 3rd, 2009
4:01 pm
If you truly believe that politics did not play a role in which dealerships were axed, you have got to be even more stupid than I thought you to be. I prefer to think you do know politics played a role, as in everything obama and his thugs tough, and choose to ignore it..then I can at least respect you instead of PITY you.
TUESDAY VANDY GIRL
June 3rd, 2009
4:02 pm
tough=touch
AmVet
June 3rd, 2009
4:02 pm
Though knuckle-draggers do it all the time, all of those auto dealership owners should have been smarter. Voting for Republicans is very, very stupid and bad for one’s financial well being…
DB, Gwinnettian
June 3rd, 2009
4:03 pm
the conservative blogosphere was all atwitter at the claim that those dealerships that were closed had generally been donors to Republican candidates or causes
Just a bit of background about those claims vs. the reality.
Later, all.
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
4:04 pm
getalife–”With every issue, the donors and lobbyist’s legal bribery is involved yet ignored by Americans. Until this legal bribery is made illegal, the American people will continue to get screwed.”
I second that. Money talks and bullsh*t walks, Wanna get a handle on Backtrack Barack? Follow the money…
Tom
June 3rd, 2009
4:09 pm
Time oncet agin ta “BUY MURCUN!” Get back to business the “old way.” Roll out the balloons, the flags, the free cases of cola (fer thee kids), the pony rides – and saturate the lot with roving salespeople who are only slightly brighter than you are. Come one n all! Git thet Hummer, grab thet Impala. Forward to…..the past!
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
4:12 pm
DB–just in case you’re still here. Left you an apology on previous posts…
Tom
June 3rd, 2009
4:13 pm
Whoa! NASCAR is already beautifully represented here today.
One cretin is already vomiting up..”PITY”.
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
4:21 pm
TOM–there’s something to be said for that. “The mass of men only want bread and circuses.” But then, that’s how we got Bush and Obama both, Evita’s bastard sons gone gringo!
jt
June 3rd, 2009
4:23 pm
Joe Matarotz -
The dealers who you claim were politically closed down, got out cheap.
Time will show this.
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
June 3rd, 2009
4:26 pm
I won’t buy an American car because it feeds subversive anti-american groups like the UAW. Besides those English cars have worked well for our family.
Now the UAW deal at GM is even more sinful than at Chrysler. Below are the high points:
UAW had a $20.5b claim – which is, at best, widely overstated in the manner it was calculated
UAW – is bifurcated into a live obligation assumed by new GM and an equal stock position
Ob-amatuer pays $50b for a 60% interest in new GM which vaules the whole enterprise, more or less, at $83b.
UAW receives 17.5% of stock – valued by Ob-amateur at $14.5b – so the value of UAW’s post bankruptcy claim is $24.8b or $4.3b greater than the claim which UAW filed
At the same time the bondholder’s, who had equal standing with UAW, receive 10% of the shares worth $8.3b on a $27.5b claim.
How in the world does UAW a 120.7% valuation when and identical creditor gets 30.1%.
The sad thing with this Ob-amatuer exercise in spreading the wealth around is that the liberal sheople are too dumb to understand that Ob-amateur oput the stones to them and gave their retirement money to a UAW worker.
when bondholders end up with about a
Mrs. Godzilla
June 3rd, 2009
4:28 pm
so much stuff and nonsense
too many dealers has been part of the problem for quite a while….
see this Forbes piece from October ‘06
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/1016/050.html
RW-(the original)
June 3rd, 2009
4:30 pm
Wonderful. Now our “unbiased media” is bowing to Obama.
Not the full bend at the waist bow Obama prefers though.
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Wasn’t Amtrak supposed to be owned by the government temporarily too?
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
4:35 pm
TOM–tried to respond to your 4:09 at 4:21 but Big Brother Moderator caught up with me.
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
4:37 pm
Tom–it may have been because I called George Bush and Barack Obama Evita Peron’s b**tard gringo sons
Shawny
June 3rd, 2009
4:37 pm
crying to congress is the thing to do, isn’t it?
heck, where’s my bailout?
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
4:37 pm
TOM–yep that was it all right…gotta remember to put thos asterisks in!
Road Scholar
June 3rd, 2009
4:38 pm
Keep all the dealerships open, esp if owned and operated by a Repub. Some dealerships sold only 35 cars all of last year! Now there is a bottom line not far from the floor!Let them cut into each others profits and incomes. Let their maintenance facilities flourish even though people are debating whether to get the car fixed or eat! The economy is condensing not growing .
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
4:41 pm
Shawny–you’ll get your bail-out in the form of a bucket just before the boat sinks. In the meantime, sail on oh ship of state!
@@
June 3rd, 2009
4:41 pm
Uhmmm, jay, I forgot to mention this morning…that piece on Roy Barnes?
It was kinda like taking from your neighbor. Attributed, but still…
Sick of reading about GM. Should’a let ‘em crap out on their own. It’s like staring at a decaying corpse.
Stratfor has a good piece on their demise — the employees that is.
Some 21,000 employees (around 34 percent of GM’s total work force) are looking at layoffs. The 780,000-plus workers in the automotive parts industry are facing uncertainty, as their industry will be affected by the collapse. Then there are the serious effects that the end of GM will have for businesses that are not related to, but nevertheless dependent on, the automotive sector. According to estimates from the auto parts industry, 4.7 jobs — in everything from catering to regional banks — are created for every one job in the motor vehicle parts industry.
Mmmm…mm…mmm…mmm…m
Gotta roll!
Mr. Snarky
June 3rd, 2009
4:51 pm
My gut tells me that having too many dealerships is not a good thing, but I have yet to hear why this is a problem for the manufacturer. It seems like they would go out of business on their own, since the manufacturers don’t subsidize them, so why would the manufacturers need to pick which ones live and which ones die? It seems like the healthy ones could buy out the sick ones…or is that not allowed?
Anyone got an answer?
Mr. Snarky
June 3rd, 2009
4:52 pm
Non-speculative answers based in fact are preferred.
KarlMarx
June 3rd, 2009
4:57 pm
Today, my brother Obama, it was made official by one of the most devoted deciples of my idealogy, Hugo Chavez, that you are indeed a fellow “Comrade”. In a major speech to his country, this enlightened brother even went so far as to comment that you are even more a state socialist than either he or brother Fidel. In his speech, Comrade Hugo correctly stated that your taking over of banks and of major US industries such as General Motors pretty much make he and Castro “the small fish in the pond”. This puts you on the progressive level of the likes of Woodrow Wilson, Trotsky and my beloved Stalin. What is even more remarkable is the speed with which you are attaining your socialistic dream for America. You have, as few before have ever had, the newspaper, the television network and the academia support that you need to carry our socialist dream to heights than no-one has ever imagined. The many years of social indoctrination of the American child that our comrades in the Democratic party have performed in the your educational system is finally yielding fruit. Never before have the American people been more self-absorbed, more greedy, more lazy, more confused and frankly more desperate for change and a solution than now. This makes them “ripe for the picking” for collectivists such as you and I and it makes them sheep to be brought into the fold of total government control of their lives. You and I both know what is best for them. They are the middle class. They are proletariat. It is not possible for them to know what is the best for them. Darwinistic theology proves this. Besides, that is OUR job. If I could only come back from this irritating death thing I would be glad to stand hand in hand in the final conquering of one the biggest socailistic treasures (the USA) to ever been had by my progressive religion, the religion of State. Unfortunately, I am dead, but my religion lives on through you, Hugo, Fidel and some of the un-important pseudo-socialists in Europe. I consider you to be one of my biggest deciples. One note of caution though; lay off the bit about “America is one of the largest Muslim nations” and that kind of talk. Speak only of the religion of State. The unpleasantness of “real” religion only gums up the works in our quest for control of the classes. Especially the lower and middle ones.
DoggoneGA
June 3rd, 2009
5:00 pm
“so why would the manufacturers need to pick which ones live and which ones die?”
That is the dealers argument…that their staying open doesn’t cost the manufacturer anything, so why not let the dealers decide if they want to close or not? And I agree. The manufacturer has the upperhand anyway, they could go to an allocation system for getting new cars: the more a dealer sells the higher on the list they go…and those on the bottom will naturally drop off when they see they aren’t getting ANY cars to sell, which is a self-fulfilling prophecy No cars to sell, no cars sold, no new cars delivered. End of problem.
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
5:03 pm
TOM–there’s something to be said for that. “The mass of men only want bread and circuses.” But then, that’s how we got Bush and Obama both, Evita’s b**tard sons gone gringo!
Let’s try that one
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
5:04 pm
There it is! @@,still there. Now all we’ve got to do is get Jay to send us a list of Verboten…
I Report :-) / You Whine :-(
June 3rd, 2009
5:06 pm
Wait till Obozo throws the UAW over the side, hehehehehe.
Mark my words.
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
5:10 pm
I Report
/ You Whine 
“Wait till Obozo throws the UAW over the side, hehehehehe.
Mark my words.”
And it won’t be a long wait. I predict as soon as he gets back from the Magical Mystery Tour
I Report :-) / You Whine :-(
June 3rd, 2009
5:13 pm
“America identifies with the underdog, and you’ve been an underdog many times in your life, but always the top dog.”–Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to Judge Sonia Sotomayor, June 2
Hey, I agree with Hairy Reed, she’s a freaking dog alright.
eewww
I Report :-) / You Whine :-(
June 3rd, 2009
5:16 pm
josef nix- You mean Obozo’s Homecoming Tour, right?
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
June 3rd, 2009
5:17 pm
Mr. Snarky 4:51 pm
The dealers compete against one another, which lowers the price of the car, which in turn has made GM operate on thinner margins.
For example, if you don’t like the price of a Nalley Jeep in Roswell, you can buy it a lot cheaper in Jasper.
The other thing is service absorption, more dealers means that the service revenue is spread around. Car dealers are more stable – hence less likely to get into “speed duels” over pricing – if operating costs are covered by service revenues.
Think of Georgia, the big sales volume dealers, like Bill Heard, were living on car sales with disproportionately low service revenue which made it harder on the dealers with good service annuities to sell cars.
The net effect is that this is yeat another hidden tax from the Ob-amateur administration.
RealityKing
June 3rd, 2009
5:21 pm
LITTLE HOPE AND HIRING ON MAIN STREET
>>
Obama may see signs of economic recovery, but you wouldn’t know it by looking at Main Street.
In the past month, small businesses with fewer than 500 employees shed more than four times as many employees as larger businesses according to today’s ADP reported During May, small businesses with fewer than 50 employees saw an employment decline of 209,000 positions, those with more than 500 employees lost 100,000 workers. And, according to history, the 2nd quarter always has less layoffs than the 3rd and 4th quarters. So hang onto your hats folks, you might need to eat them to survive Obama’s presidency.
GOT HOPE YET!? Because Obama inspiration is clearly a bad joke. After all, thats what Jay and the rest of today’s progressive state run media was pushing last year..
RealityKing
June 3rd, 2009
5:23 pm
And lets not forget international respect! Yet another arm of the straw man pushed by the progressive media.
RealityKing
June 3rd, 2009
5:25 pm
I mean.., when France tells you your spending too much something is definently rotten in Washington.
I Report :-) / You Whine :-(
June 3rd, 2009
5:26 pm
Anyway, here’s what the telephone poll of 1,010 adult Americans reveals almost five months into Obama’s term, all obviously designed by CNN to drive the competing talkers berserk over at the White House’s favorite network:
Americans now are thinking more favorably of Bush, Cheney, McCain, Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee and someone named Rush Limbaugh. Their favorable numbers are all up, some significantly.
Their unfavorable ratings have all dropped, some significantly.
And to this we owe you clown democrats and your floppy eared president a hearty heigh ho.
Keep up the good work, fools.
Dixie Normous
June 3rd, 2009
5:30 pm
Your right Whiner: We need hotter supreme court justices.
Good riddance to the ubiquitous dealership. They are tacky parking lots that promote over consumption of crappy products.
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
5:32 pm
I Report
/ You Whine 
“josef nix- You mean Obozo’s Homecoming Tour, right?”
Well, I knew he was queen of some ball or another….
Psst…I can say that, @@!
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
5:33 pm
I Report
/ You Whine 
“And to this we owe you clown democrats and your floppy eared president a hearty heigh ho.”
And where did he get them ears? Axelrod?
I can say that, too!
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
5:37 pm
RealityKing–”I mean.., when France tells you your spending too much something is definently rotten in Washington.”
Ssh..be careful…on dois parler en francais pour passe le Dieu Moderator….!
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
5:42 pm
I Report
/ You Whine 
“Hey, I agree with Hairy Reed, she’s a freaking dog alright.”
Have you no empathy? You must be a white man! Maybe Obimbo’ll bring her back a chadour
AmVet
June 3rd, 2009
5:49 pm
Apparently Lardass Limbaugh and Newt the Nut are backing off their original “Sotomayor is a racist” stupidity.
(And we all know she would never do well in a foxhole – all those nasty yeast infections.)
How did one of these men ever get elected in the first place?
Oh yeah!
He represented Cobb County, the very epicenter of the Moron Belt…
getalife
June 3rd, 2009
5:54 pm
Here is a great idea:
http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/76A80B51-D19A-49DC-A6F0-323E7DDCF587/
jt
June 3rd, 2009
5:56 pm
Josef Nix-
With F. being a ten naturally, how would you rate Cormac and Gabriel Garcia respectfully?
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
5:57 pm
AmVet–you ain’t a very happy individual iz ye? I mean if the GOP is dead as you say, then why are you still in such a snit. Really I think the only reason you said what you did up there was so you could work in the yeast infection comment…hmm
As far as Newt is concerned, you’re right, another carpetbagger…L-rd, why don’t they just stay home!
clyde
June 3rd, 2009
5:59 pm
I can drive by empty GM lots as easily as I drive by full ones.
jt
June 3rd, 2009
6:07 pm
Twelve men to take a man w/knife. They probably had a tank there too.
It’s all about the land of the free.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2009/06/03/snellville_swat_shooting.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
6:07 pm
jt–Carmac, 8, Garcia Marquez–10+! He said that the two greatest influences on his writing were Marvel Comics and the novels of William Faulkner…
For those of y’all posting on the Obama tour–Check out Garcia Marquez “Chronicle of a Death Foretold.”
The Gypsies tried to tell him the loadstone wouldn’t find gold–Obamita needs to read “A Hundred Years of Solitude!”
jt
June 3rd, 2009
6:09 pm
–Obamita needs to read “A Hundred Years of Solitude!”
Sage advice.
AmVet
June 3rd, 2009
6:10 pm
Snit? Unhappy?
You are new here and your powers of observation, are wildly askew, josef!
I’ve been laughing my arse off for two and half years! Notwithstanding that the neo-coned are often the brunt of my jokes, it lends no veracity to your misdiagnosis.
Glad you liked the HeadRush reference.
I could have selected dozens of others as they are all equally idiotic.
A laugh riot, that one…
TUESDAY VANDY GIRL
June 3rd, 2009
6:11 pm
Tom, Its nice to see you here so I know the GLBT float racers are well represented also
Redneck Convert
June 3rd, 2009
6:20 pm
Well, I ain’t a GM or Chrysler man, but I say Congress ought to make a law to make it illegal to make someone give up his God-given right to fleece a customer in a car deal. It takes all the fun out of buying a car if you cut way down on the number of dealers. People like going back and forth to dealers to show a deal offer and get a better deal. Leastwise till they find out somebody that didn’t deal at all got a better price in the end. And that the dealer got a big rebate the customer didn’t know nothing about.
A little cheating in the car lots is as American as you can get. Doing unto customers before they can do unto you is what makes Free Innerprize great. And now GM and Chrysler want to ruin the whole thing.
I’m just disgusted. Have a good night everybody.
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
6:32 pm
TUESDAY VANDY GIRL
“Tom, Its nice to see you here so I know the GLBT float racers are well represented also”
TOM: Tell me it ain’t so! I thought I was special. Are we taking over yet?
TUESDAY VANDY GIRL
June 3rd, 2009
6:42 pm
Don’t worry, you are special, josef
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
6:43 pm
AmVet
You are new here and your powers of observation, are wildly askew, josef!
Oh, I have to be around a while to state the obvious? And I certainly HOPE they’re askew, I’d hate to be locked in to a single view. It would be terribly boring…
I’ve been laughing my arse off for two and half years!
Well, you might want to quit looking in the mirror. But, it sounds like you’ve got plenty of a** left!
Oh, well, what do I know…I’m just a liberal left wingnut with my own special interest agenda…I wanna get married, and the Obamistas won’t let me…Cheney, though? As Larry the Plumber Guy says, I don’t care who you are, that’s funny…
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
6:45 pm
TUESDAY VANDY GIRL
Ssh..we better be careful, the two of us comunicating is sure to bring on an attack of does not compute from the Omnipotent Moderator…don’t you know, we’re supposed to be in opposite corners hurling vindicative at each other just because…
Ackmed
June 3rd, 2009
6:48 pm
Greetings infidels and apostates-
There is much happiness and joy in the lands of the Middle East this blessed day, for we have been graced with the presence of our returning prophet, thee Oblahmi.
Who would have ever thought that many decades ago, this petty thief and common drug addict would leave from his Islamic hovel to go and conquer the whole entire United States, a task that has cost many, many, many, many, many, many, many, manymanymanymany ragheads like him their lives? I ask, how many among you thought this stuttering, TelePrompter dependent bozo was bound to be blowed up by a Predator missile or flamed out by some phosphorous bomb, but instead he has achieved the dreams of every cut throat and depraved pedophile throughout the whole of Islam, with nary a head he had to cut off?
And these Americans call us stupid, hahahaha, wtf?
Already this blessed conqueror has paid great dividends for us, fellow savages, how about the “accidental” release of all those juicy nuclear targets on the infidel mainland?
Allah Akbar!
And how about all those American soldiers dying in Iraq even though civilian deaths have dropped, do you not appreciate the intel Oblahma has given to al Qaeda ratting out the US troops?
Seig Heil!
So rejoice, you stooges of the jihad, in celebration of our Homecoming Queen, go blow yourselves up, cut off the nearest apostate’s head, butcher some children, slaughter your horsey, but most of all, let’s go get some Jews!
Yes we can!
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
6:48 pm
jt–I was ten years old when my grandfather took me to discover ice…
RW-(the original)
June 3rd, 2009
6:52 pm
josef,
You could peruse the archives and check me on this if you’d like, but I assure you I’m trustworthy. One needs only read one of amvet’s posts ever to get the full and complete range of his intellect and attitude. The old Clintonism comes to mind, there’s no there there on the first count and who knows on the second. Even babbling old fools might see themselves as happy.
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
6:54 pm
Am Vet–since I am new here and I do want to give you your due respect, which war?
Obozo
June 3rd, 2009
6:57 pm
I ask you, fellow dimwits, do you want a president that the terrorists despise and fear like Bushie or do you want a president that the terrorists would find adorable, like me? I am just the man to talk with the terrorists and the terrorists know it. They have endorsed me. They long for me to be elected. When I look into their eyes I see myself staring back. I am practically one of them. Some of my best friends are terrorists. My preacher is a terrorist. I look like a terrorist. Have you not heard people call me a Muslim? How could you ever question my terrorist credentials?
We should talk to the savages. Walk with the savages. Grunt and squeak and squawk with the savages. And the savages could squeak and squawk and speak and talk to me! We should find out what the savages want. Israel? 4,000,000 dead Americans? Is this not a small price to pay so that France will like us? I toss and turn in my beddie bye at night, clutching my pillow, thinking that the Belgians hate us. We should give the savages what they need, what they desire, what they long for, change that they can count on. A large building here, thousands of office workers there. Then we can pout and get angry but we will be one with the Ukraine. The world must not know that we are a strong horse that will kill the cut throats before they kill us and our families. We should give them our children and yourselves, today, all you mofos up front here, get on the bus. Having your head sawed off is not that bad and you will make everybody happy. Where’s Michelle at, don’t let her get on the bus, uh, she has important whining to do. It is a great service to the world for thee Muslims to know that we hate ourselves and she is the hate America ambassador from hell, one America hating mofo queen. She hates America more than all you mofos put together. United, uh, well, except for you about to be separated from your heads, together we shall make everybody happy, and we, uh, I mean you will be happy to die to make them happy.
Yes we, uh, yes you can!
Does that bus run on ethanol? We wouldn’t want them to think we are energy hogs, bwa.
Is my jet ready?
Allah Akbar!
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
6:58 pm
Ackmed–oy, gevalt, I’d better follow Shabbatai Zvi Obama and convert while there’s still time! Let’s see, Barack adonai…
Kamchak
June 3rd, 2009
6:58 pm
(croak)Stratfor(croak)
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
7:05 pm
RW–yeah, even a parvenu like my po old deluded self figured that one out, but I admit, I’m a liberal gay, (see I can work in my special interest anywhere, too, Am Vet, am I getting more acceptable?) and a little slow on the uptake, but that’s about what I figured!
jt
June 3rd, 2009
7:06 pm
josef nix-
I hunted bear with mine on Vinings Mountain at ten.
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
7:10 pm
OBOZO
“Does that bus run on ethanol?”
Don’t matter to me. Prop 8-Preacher Warren-DADT Obama done made it clear it ain’t stoppin’ for me…now Mary Cheney…
GayGrayGeek
June 3rd, 2009
7:12 pm
josef @ 6:32 – Get in line, darlin’. I’ve been here longer than you and Tom put together. So to speak…
lwwmm7
June 3rd, 2009
7:17 pm
What goes around comes around. What is Bill Heard doing these days? Maybe he should go into politics.
@@
June 3rd, 2009
7:19 pm
Psst…I can say that, @@!
YES YOU CAN!!!
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
7:20 pm
GayGrayGeek
Maybe posting you’ve been here longer, but L-d, if you been here longer than me in real time, you must be Methusaleh–
AmVet
June 3rd, 2009
7:21 pm
josef, war? WTF?
No worries. I always give people the benefit of the doubt.
And you’ll soon enough confirm what most here already know.
RW is a lurker who shows up from time to time to lob grenades. Usually my way.
Then he disappears again with no real point or contribution to make.
Watch, you’ll see.
He used to at least pretend to contribute, but those days are as gone as Cheney’s anti-gay stand!
frog
June 3rd, 2009
7:24 pm
i do hate to see people lose jobs in these times, however, a little part of me kind of feels like it is a little payback for all the people auto sales types have screwed on car deals
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
7:24 pm
jt: at nine mine took me on a p
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
7:29 pm
jt–to continue…possum hunt, cultural reasons, the next day my latin studies began with “Carmen Possum:”
“The nox was lit by lux of luna/and was a nox most opportuna/to secure a possum or a coona/for nix was scattered o’er this mundus/a shallow nix/et non profundus….” Key it up by title,,,it’s a marvel and my grandfather could recite the whole thing….perfect lesson for introducing a nine year old to the glories of Latin…
jt
June 3rd, 2009
7:38 pm
Jn- Quite interesting.
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
7:41 pm
Am Vet…you tag yourself a Vet, of which war. You are a veteran, aren’t you?
Cheney’s anti-gay stand. Grant you he’s just now speaking up and out, but I can find no record of him making an anti-gays stand beyond being a member of the Party of Lincoln…now Obama, on the other hand, Party of Jefferson Davis, has quite the record…
As far as RW is concerned, I like a grenade lobber myself, come from a long line of snipers–Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Civil War, World War I, World War II and Vietnam, my boy was one in Iraq and Afghanistan, served in the peacekeeping forces in Bosnia and Kossovo…none in Mexican War, Spanish American War or the Korean Conflict.
Check the archives, as RW says, and you’ll see he and I have lobbed a few at each other in the “short time” I’ve been here, but they’ve not been gratuitous–at least his haven’t, I hope mine haven’t. RW?
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
7:44 pm
FROG–Is you French? Better say yes or the Moderator will come for you! But, like you, forgive me for a little Schadenfreude…(Moderator REALLY likes German!)
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
7:46 pm
@@–and can you believe it, I didn’t even have to use French…but then jt tsa-la-gi is with us!
jt
June 3rd, 2009
7:46 pm
I must go to ponder.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjnVEsXtNIU
NRB
June 3rd, 2009
7:59 pm
Well the Democrats must be all on cloud nine!
Here we have a racist appointed as judge…and yes she is a racist…and the “powers that be” got rid of republican business owners…in this case car dealers.
And now the head-loser is touring muslim land to bash America and appease the terrorists.
Wonderful.
RW-(the original)
June 3rd, 2009
8:01 pm
I hope mine haven’t. RW?
Not at all, josef.
I just haven’t had much time to keep up with the threads with all the low hanging Obamabucks out there to be picked. Now if I can just play the numbers right before he realizes he has to confiscate it all back…..
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
8:05 pm
jt–that was TOO good! He’s enrolled Tsa-la-gi, you know.
TW
June 3rd, 2009
8:08 pm
Cheney’s latest stand on this gay issue is symbolic of his reaching for the handle to get out of the closet. Pull the door, DICK, set yourself free. After all, we all know your daughter didn’t get ‘the gene’ from mama
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
8:08 pm
NRB–yes, she IS a racist…I know a lot of my fellow liberals don’t want to hear that, but it’s the truth and I am NOT, I repeat NOT, that opposed to her nomination. She appears to be a wild card and we need more of ‘em on the court. But just because I’m tending to come out in support of her does not mean she is NOT a racist.
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
8:15 pm
RW–Thomas Friedman’s column in the NYT (yes, I DO read the NYT) had a great joke today,
Goldberg goes to shul every Friday and prays “Oh, L-rd, you know I’m a good, pious Jew. Help me win the lottery.” Goes on for years and no luck. Then one Friday he says his usual prayer and the sky opens and a voice booms, “Look, Goldberg, you gotta help me out here. Buy a ticket!”
@@ I can say that!
Obamabucks, is that in reference to the slang term for the national currency or…oops, I can’t say that!
Frederick Douglass
June 3rd, 2009
8:17 pm
The comments today are so insightful, and not a hint of animosity toward president Obama. I must say it’s truly comforting to know that
Cromagnon thinking died back in the 50’s.
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
8:18 pm
TW–No, no…don’t even think it…we’ve got enough problems with Barney Frank…!
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
8:23 pm
Frederick–oh, loosen up and have a little fun…I personally wish him and our country the best, but some things are just a bit too ridiculous…’sides, I didn’t vote for him…Prop 8, glad I didn’t…Preacher Warren…Proven right…DADT…
Now on the other hand as I tell my African American friends and family, I understand why you did. I’m going to have a hard time not voting for Mary Cheney if she runs in 2012…
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
8:36 pm
Oh, no the Great Moderator is back (post @ 8:23) L-RD and this was one of the most innocuous of the day…go figure. If it ever does come through, would somebody PLEASE tell me why?
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
8:42 pm
Frederick–je le ferais en francais pour passer le Moderator, mais je ne suis pas sur si vous parliez et je suis un petit peu fatigue pour ecrir en autre langue
RW-(the original)
June 3rd, 2009
8:45 pm
josef,
Are you by any chance using an obscure browser? Sometimes Wordpress is very sensitive to that especially if you post frequent short comments and depending on how the tuning ferrets have set the filters it could also be your artful language.
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
8:46 pm
@@ are you there? See, jt and tsa-la-gi left and look at what happened!
Frederick Douglass
June 3rd, 2009
8:51 pm
josef nix: I’ve spoken and understood French since the age of twelve, unfortunately I’m ninety-two now, and much of it escapes me.
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
8:53 pm
RW–Aw, let me take it personally! Thanks, though, for the “artful language.” I wish!
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
8:59 pm
Frederick–I will now try and be a bit more respectful, since you’re older than I (not by much though!) Since age 12? Where did you learn it? But, you’re so right, if you don’t get a chance to use it…that’s why I’ve been having so much fun with it here…Dad’s family is from Louisiana…
Redneck Convert
June 3rd, 2009
9:01 pm
Well, if these people are going to start writting in Frog instead of good old U.S. of A. I give up. I just wish we had some of the old timers back. Like TFTT and jbmlaw and Captain Freedom and all the other godly Conservatives. They’re about as dead as the Party. Good night everybody.
josef nix
June 3rd, 2009
9:16 pm
Redneck convert–Ah, but you see, frog passes Moderator…and as far as Good Ole USA is concerned, I’ll lay you 10-1 my family’s been here longer than yours and speaking, reading and writing frog the whole time…me and my Better Half? Oh, we speak REAL, NATIVE NON CONVERT Redneck as our primary language of daily discourse chez nous!
getalife
June 3rd, 2009
9:21 pm
No problem with IE8.
Perhaps ya’ll need to update.