Barnes in the race for governor

From the estimable Mr. Jim Galloway at the AJC’s Political Insider:

“Roy Barnes will announce today that he intends to become the first former Georgia governor in a half-century to reclaim the office after being turned out by voters.

The announcement is scheduled for 1:30 p.m. in Marietta. Barnes, we’re told, will delay the actual start of his campaign until July, in order to wrap up some trial work and finish up as chairman of the National Board for Professional Teaching Standards.

Barnes, 61, enters a field already occupied by three Democrats — Attorney General Thurbert Baker, House Minority Leader DuBose Porter, and David Poythress, former commander of the Georgia National Guard.

Six Republicans are in the contest.

Despite a huge financial advantage, Barnes was defeated in 2002 by Sonny Perdue, an upstart Republican state senator from middle Georgia. Both chambers of the Legislature quickly shifted to GOP hands, removing Democrats from control of the state Capitol for the first time since …

We’ll see how this shakes out, but barring the unexpected, Barnes is probably unbeatable in the primary, forcing at least some of his fellow Democrats to reconsider this race. And he has a decent shot to win in the general as well. He’d still be the underdog, but an underdog with a fighting chance.

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BDAtlanta

June 3rd, 2009
7:15 am

Was Barnes for or against the Northern Arc? We need an arc, pronto!

I Rule You :-)/ You Whine :-(

June 3rd, 2009
7:21 am

Well, now we know who the toadies at the Atlanta Urinal will be lying and propagandizing on behalf of.

Time to attack Oxendine again, isn’t it, hack?

@@

June 3rd, 2009
7:21 am

I seem to recall a problem between Roy Barnes and the teacher’s unions.

Oh well….”See Roy run.”

DB, Gwinnettian

June 3rd, 2009
7:27 am

Yes, Barnes opposed the Arc (I think that, more than any other game-changer, probably got Sonny elected.)

I don’t know that we need one now where the original had been proposed, being that it’d be monumentally expensive to re-aquire right of way and demolish the stuff that’s been built. Put in about a hundred miles of commuter rail first and then we can talk about another E-W passage from 85-75.

Cherokee

June 3rd, 2009
7:29 am

Please run, Governor Barnes. After 8 years of decline under Sonny and the Republicans, is it too much to hope for that a majority of Georgians will see the light and vote them out?

Perhaps – never overestimate the intelligence of the population – but Barnes is probably our best shot.

RW-(the original)

June 3rd, 2009
7:33 am

Were the election this November it might be about time to start discussing it, but since it’s not until 2010 who cares?

Place your bets quick kidz. Will Obama bow to the Saudi king again? You’ve got about a minute left to find out.

I Rule You :-)/ You Whine :-(

June 3rd, 2009
7:36 am

It’s not hard to see why Democrats are trying to hew to this full-speed-ahead timetable. Their health overhaul will run up a 13-figure price tag at a time when spending and deficits are already at epic levels and hook up the middle class to an intravenous drip of government health subsidies for generations to come. These are not realities that Democrats want the American people to mull over for very long.-WSJ

We just need time to hang it around their neck’s.

Where it belongs.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 3rd, 2009
7:36 am

Will Obama bow to the Saudi king again?

Sigh. You are rather sad at times.

RW-(the original)

June 3rd, 2009
7:43 am

No bow this time around, much to DB’s chagrin.

BDAtlanta

June 3rd, 2009
7:50 am

I was just over at Wooten’s and it appears all the rabid, disgusting conservatives are over there. This is a rather lucid, low-key blog.

We have the gentle, anguished (but still pathetic) wing nuts over here.

Mrs. Godzilla

June 3rd, 2009
7:50 am

Yes, Teachers Unions had problems with the Barnes position on tenure.

With major education reform required immediatley in the state….

see this:

http://www.uschamber.com/icw/reportcard/default

I suspect the discussion of tenure will be slightly altered.

I’m liking Poythress….

Mrs. Godzilla

June 3rd, 2009
7:51 am

immediately, immediately, immediately

jt

June 3rd, 2009
7:52 am

Even though I strongly dislike the trial lawyer Barnes, I will give credit where credit is due. He was a suprisingly fiscal conservative, as the link below shows.
http://www.jasonpye.com/blog/2009/03/a_look_back_at_roy_barnes.html

Red Rider

June 3rd, 2009
7:53 am

Well heck, Jay – Why don’t we just dispense with the Democratic Primary and annoint Barnes right now? Oh, I forgot. You just did.

BDAtlanta

June 3rd, 2009
7:56 am

Maybe Obama should walk through the tall grass, hand-in-hand with the Saudi king, like it’s a first date?

Georgie W looked so cute when he did that. What a manly man. One of the toe-tapping Republicans no doubt.

jt

June 3rd, 2009
7:58 am

Neither political party is clean when it comes to tactics that divide our people. Roy Barnes

I give him credit for that too.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 3rd, 2009
8:01 am

immediately, immediately, immediately

Corporal? That you?

JT, thanks for the link. So Cato’s GPA for Barnes worked out to a 2.5, but for Perdue it’s a 2.0? interesting, not sure how useful it is but if I were Barnes I’d work it in, somehow.

Turd Furgeson

June 3rd, 2009
8:01 am

Roy will not make it…too many hurt feelings from the last time he was in office and the black cawcuss will not accept him.

findog

June 3rd, 2009
8:02 am

DB, you have that backwards. The Northern Arc was one of the many causes that Sonny exploited to win. Sonny joined the Sugar Hill NIMBY coalition to kill the arc; the sons of the CSA to get the old flag back; and the teachers to keep ineffective personnel in place via tenure. Barnes major problem was that he was a true leader in that he handled the problems Georgia faced unlike zig-zag Zell putting his finger to the wind whenever a decision was necessary…

josef nix

June 3rd, 2009
8:13 am

Great news for the economy. I’m going out today and stock up on every Cross of St Andrew I can get my hands on. Supply and demand…

Joey

June 3rd, 2009
8:15 am

Among other controversies:
Barnes intended to contruct the Norther Arc of the Outer Perimeter.
Barnes intended to constuct several new reserviors.
Barnes was honest with Georgia’s Teacher Unions.

As I recall the AJC Editorial Board disagreed strongly with Barnes on these issues. Bookman wrote many commentaries opposing the Norther Arc.

Today though the most important issue for Bookman may be: Will Barnes support bring Gitmo Detainees to Georgia prisions. Maybe and AJC reporter will ask that question.

This mostly conservative person supports Roy Barnes for Governor again. I think he will win statewide.

josef nix

June 3rd, 2009
8:16 am

DB, Gwinnettian

“Cato’s GPA for Barnes worked out to a 2.5, but for Perdue it’s a 2.0? ”

As one of the pundits said of Georgie Boy, these are the kind of folks that give C students a bad name!

DB, Gwinnettian

June 3rd, 2009
8:22 am

annoint Barnes right now? Oh, I forgot. You just did.

Bow before the mighty power of Jay’s Intertubes.

jt

June 3rd, 2009
8:24 am

DB-You commented-

“JT, thanks for the link. So Cato’s GPA for Barnes worked out to a 2.5, but for Perdue it’s a 2.0? interesting, not sure how useful it is but if I were Barnes I’d work it in, somehow.”

Sadly, Fiscal conservatism is no longer a political virtue. This is 2009 dawg.
That info could actually hurt him.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 3rd, 2009
8:30 am

oh, and findog @ 8.02, reasonable enough assertions. I was just using shorthand to ID an issue of contention in 2002 that does sometimes get overlooked, although I guess it’s arguable whether it was the Arc or the tenure issue that really left the most otherwise likely-Dem voters vulnerable to crossing over to Sonny out of anger/spite/whathave you. I think the Arc gets overlooked, and the flag nonsense gets overblown (the hardcore flaggers weren’t going to vote for Barnes anyway.)

DB, Gwinnettian

June 3rd, 2009
8:33 am

jt, even if I were going to grant your larger point @ 8.24, fiscal conservatism can most certainly be used as a wedge issue by Barnes to pry off otherwise likely-Republican voters, as (say) Sonny did with the Arc to pry off otherwise likely-Dem voters.

But that’s in the general, and obviously the primary dynamics are very different.

josef nix

June 3rd, 2009
8:36 am

jt–”Neither political party is clean when it comes to tactics that divide our people.”

O-si-yo…and we fall for it hook, line and sinker every time.

josef nix

June 3rd, 2009
8:43 am

DB, Gwinnettian–

” the flag nonsense gets overblown (the hardcore flaggers weren’t going to vote for Barnes anyway.)”

I wouldn’t bet on it. Even the AJC conceded that for a third of Georgia’s voters it was the deciding factor. The arc is of interest to a relatively small group of voters here in metro Atlanta. The teachers are still p-o’d…he is, as Florence King put it, “a Friday t*rd at a Saturday market.”

findog

June 3rd, 2009
8:45 am

DB, pardon but I thought you had Roy against the arc

jt

June 3rd, 2009
8:46 am

DB-True. Go Fish might haunt Perdue.

U-S-di-go nu-na Good Morning.

Joey- I too remember one or two sensible proposals by Barnes, and Jay was ON him. Not unlike kudzu on a telephone pole.
Back in the good-ole-days of print.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 3rd, 2009
8:48 am

Findog, day-um, you’re 100% correct. I actually typed “Barnes Opposed the Arc.” I did have that turned completely around. Yikes.

Of course Barnes supported it, Sonny said he didn’t, Sonny peeled off some otherwise likely-Dem votes as a result.

DB, Gwinnettian

June 3rd, 2009
8:51 am

Try again (moderation, smoderation)

Findog, you’re right. I had that totally turned around, I mis-wrote @ 7.27.

Dixie Normous

June 3rd, 2009
8:57 am

when will the republicans gin-up a viable black candidate for governor?

findog

June 3rd, 2009
8:57 am

DB, not a problem at all. Except for Roy. Please continue…

@@

June 3rd, 2009
9:00 am

Herman Kaine for governor.

Normal

June 3rd, 2009
9:01 am

To me it comes down to this. If the Republicans hadn’t made such
a hash of things, we wouldn’t be having this debate now. Roy will
be elected just because everybody is mad at the GOP. Is this a
good thing, who knows, but it is a telling thing.

@@

June 3rd, 2009
9:05 am

Whoops!

Make that Cain

killed “able”.

josef nix

June 3rd, 2009
9:05 am

Dixie Normous

when will the republicans gin-up a viable black candidate for governor?

The key word here being “viable.”

Maybe the GOP ought to invite Mary Cheney to come down and run. The Midtown vote is worth courting…I understand there’s a lot of “them” out there in Valdosta, LaGrange and Dalton…’course that’s just MY special interest agenda driven perspective…

josef nix

June 3rd, 2009
9:10 am

@@, Good morning! Glad to see the Evil Moderator hasn’t caught up with you yet!

Normal–don’t forget, though, you’re in Dixie, behind the looking glass. Here’s it’s the Dems for whom we’re saying kaddish and/or dancing on their tombs…

Mike Fairbanks

June 3rd, 2009
9:12 am

There are not any teachers’ unions in the state of Georgia. Many of you continue using that term (unions). There are, however, organizations (PAGE), but teachers join simply for the liability insurance. The organizations have no power whatsoever and there is no collective bargaining in the state of Georgia.

Furthermore, tenure is not a job guarantee. It simply means when a teacher is tenured, he or she has the right to a trial by the board of education if the teacher is fired. Any teacher can be fired for the ten reasons (per the Professional Standards Comission), which includes incompetence, immorality, and more.

Please make an attempt to know what you’re talking about, folks.

Mike Fairbanks

June 3rd, 2009
9:15 am

Commission (oops). Sorry about the above spelling mistakes. I didn’t take the time to edit.

One other thing: Yes, teachers will remember Roy Barnes for this very famous quote: “You know, it’s cute when a second grader looks up at you and says the dog ate his homework. It’s not cute coming from Georgia’s teachers.”

This teacher (and Democrat) remembers Roy Barnes quite well, and has no intention of voting for him again.

Thank you

Normal

June 3rd, 2009
9:17 am

Josef, seriously, I asked you a couple of floors down, if you
would write a book, you’d be another Louis Grazzard, by God!

josef nix

June 3rd, 2009
9:19 am

Mike Fairbanks–Hear! Hear! The liability insurancer is the ONLY reason I signed on. Correct me if I’m wrong, but you must either be a teacher yourself or be tied to someone who is. Folks out there have no idea what teachers in Georgia’s schools are up against and don’t want to listen when one tries to tell them–and then they wonder why Georgia vies for bottom ranking with Mississippi, West Virginia, South Carolina, Arkansas and Louisiana–not bad company, mind you–but…

Mike Fairbanks

June 3rd, 2009
9:19 am

I’m sorry: one more point and then I’m finished:

Roy Barnes rushed through the flag issue in the middle of the night, tricking Georgia’s voters. And the flag was a horrible design, but he forced it through. Now, I for one think any nod to the Confederacy is a bad idea because the Confederacy lost and is no longer a viable entity. It was just a four-year fart in the almost 250-year history of the United States. We might as well fly a Brooklin Dodgers flag or something else that no longer exists. Anyway, the point is that Barnes misled the voters.

He also pulled some funky stunts during the primaries before he became governor.

A vote for Roy Barnes will be a mistake.

Normal

June 3rd, 2009
9:21 am

Refresh my memory folks, I remember some of Roy’s troubles with teachers, but not why. I find this puzzling because Dems are usually
more pro education than the GOP, who, it seems to me, would rather keep
people in their places.

@@

June 3rd, 2009
9:23 am

The organizations have no power whatsoever

I beg to differ, Mr. Fairbanks, John Trotter’s MACE, single handedly….well actually several handedly, destroyed Clayton County’s accreditation with all their shenanigans.

Bonjour à vous aussi josef.

Mike knows

June 3rd, 2009
9:23 am

Mike is right. Of course the powers that be encourage the use of the term union, as it makes it easier to demonize teachers that way, just as Barnes did everything in his power to demonize them, but nothing in his power to support them.

jt

June 3rd, 2009
9:29 am

It was just a four-year fart in the almost 250-year history of the United States.

800,000 American lives was more than a “fart” sir. AssHat

Fact check

June 3rd, 2009
9:30 am

There are no innocent parties in the Clayton disaster. However, it should be pointed out that the two school board members who filed the original SACS complaint in an effort to strenghten their own political positions, were members of GAE.

Billy Bob

June 3rd, 2009
9:31 am

Where’s all the commentary on the Iraq war? During the Bush presidency you could count on two or three daily attempts by the MSM to saddle that Administration with an “unwinable” war.

Now, come the Administration of President Hussein Teleprompter with his “I’m outta Iraq in sixteen months flat” and suddenly [cue crickets] – not a sound nor a peep from the toady Fourth Estate. Are there U.S. troops in Iraq – why, yes. Are troop levels comparable to when the Bush Administration was in office – why, yes. Hmmm.

MSM = Toadies. It’s the new math.

josef nix

June 3rd, 2009
9:32 am

Normal–thank’s for the compliment, but I’d never presuppose to put myself in the category of Lewis. Do have a book coming out this year, but it’s not commentaries. Am working on one called “Dereconstructing History: a revisionist view of Southern history starting with Columbus” which brings me to respond to

Mike–which is precisely why I don’t like Barnes. I didn’t like his approach. I have my own opinions on the matter which are what brought about the aforementioned manuscript which will never see the light of day since neither “side” has the vaguest notion as to what they’re talking about…However, I would make two points here…to you it may be a fart, but to a lot, and I do mean a LOT, of people it is not. When Mississippi put it up to vote in a special election where it was the ONLY issue on the ballot, 70% of the registered voters turned out to vote and it was 65% for, 35% against, 65% of the whites for, 35% against, 35% of the blacks for, 65% against–exactly the figures the polls showed here in Georgia where we weren’t allowed to vote…the second consideration, President Obama stood against the politically correct crowd and sent the traditional White House wreath to Confederate Memorial Day for which he received a respectful thank you from the SCV…

Mike Fairbanks

June 3rd, 2009
9:32 am

Barnes upset the teachers by rushing through a bill (eventually signed into law) that erased tenure. In announcing the proposed bill he berated the state’s teachers with a litany of sarcastic insults. It came out of left field (in the opinion of teachers), because the state made incredible gains in education when Zell Miller was governor (under Miller we because the highest-paid teachers in the entire Southeast, and still are–plus the Pre-K program was started under Miller, along with the HOPE Scholarship). So when Barnes came out of left field and started harrassing educators, we immediately turned away from him.

Tenure, as I mentioned before, is not a bad thing. It was originally designed to protect academic freedom, particularly at the upper levels of education (high school and college). It was simply a way to protect teachers from political positions others might try to impose upon them.

Tenure is NOT a job guarantee. The only thing it does is guarantee a teacher the right to a trial in front of the Board of Education for dismissal. Simply go to the Georgia Professional Standards Commission for a list of the ten reasons teachers can be dismissed (including tenured teachers). Reason number ten says, “Any other just cause.” That basically opens it up to far more than ten reasons.

All an administrator needs to do in order to dismiss a tenured teacher, is perform two or more unannounced observations, and mark an NI in any category on the written observation form. Then, the following year the teacher must, by law, successfully completed a detailed Performance Plan. If the teacher does not satisfy the requirements of that plan, then the teacher can be dismissed, and the documentation will show why.

The responsibility to dismiss ineffective teachers is on the administration, not anybody else. Tenure simply makes the process transparent, and hopefully in the first three probationary years the problem would have been uncovered anyway, and the teacher would be dismissed prior to becoming tenured.

Roy Barnes knew this process, but acted politically in a way that used the teachers as pawns. The teachers won’t trust him again.

If Democrats are serious about recapturing the Governorship, they should run someone else. However, it won’t do any good. Georgia won’t vote Democrat any time soon.

jt

June 3rd, 2009
9:33 am

For what it is worth-
If our benevolent Fed goverment kidnapped me and gave me five choices to gain my freedom 1)Torture by waterboard 2)Torture by unknown insect in box 3)Naked men pyramid 4)vote for democrat gubanatorial candidate or 5) vote for republican gubanatorial candidate.

I would choose waterboard.

Have a good day.

Mike Fairbanks

June 3rd, 2009
9:39 am

I didn’t mean to demean the lives lost in the Civil War. I apologize for using the term “fart.” Your point is valid.

I simply meant (in poor word choice) that the Confederacy itself no longer exists and doesn’t need to be recognized in the form of a flag, just like the Soviet Union’s hammer and sickle flag should not be flown in Russia or the NAZI flag flown in Germany.

The soldiers themselves simply did what they thought was right. I’m not arguing whether the Confederacy was or was not right. I’m simply saying that in the 250-year history of the USA, The Civil War was less than 2% of the total time.

josef nix

June 3rd, 2009
9:41 am

Normal–tried to respond to thank you for the compliment and to tell you I would never presuppose to be put in a category with Lewis. However the Evil Moderator took issue! 9:32

Mike–tried to respond to you on the same post…

jt????

will try and get with you on your comment….

josef nix

June 3rd, 2009
9:42 am

Heh, heh…9:41 being held by Moderator, too! Evidently I’m on its hit list!

Wes

June 3rd, 2009
9:42 am

Jay,

Why don’t you think Baker has a chance in the primary?

jt

June 3rd, 2009
9:46 am

Mike Fairbanks-
Good useful info.

getalife

June 3rd, 2009
9:49 am

obl is back preempting Obama’s speech to the Muslim people.

No, he is not dead silly cons.

jt

June 3rd, 2009
9:50 am

Good luck w/the book Josef.

I Rule You :-)/ You Whine :-(

June 3rd, 2009
9:50 am

Barack Hussein Obama: US “one of the largest Muslim countries in the world”

We’re “not” Christian but we “are” Muslim?

GFY Obozo! (Good for you.)

josef nix

June 3rd, 2009
9:58 am

Normal–Didn’t see your post on Brother Lewis, may his memory be blessed…where ’bouts?

Mike Fairbanks–you, sir, are a gentleman, a rare quality in this day and age. A point, though, the Cross of St Andrew was not the flag of the Richmond government (the CURRENT one was, oy, go figure!) The Cross of St Andrew was the battle flag under which a minimum of 80,000 African Americans served with honor and distinction. Over the years it became the ethnic symbol of the Southern people much as the magen david. Like so many other things, it was coopted by the hate mongers.

As a flag of treason, my opinion was that it did not belong on a territory incorporated in the United States. As a symbol of the heritage of an ethnic group of people, though, the scurrilous racism which so many opponents used for their argument was highly offensive and woefully ignorant of our common national history…

josef nix

June 3rd, 2009
9:59 am

Evil Moderator caught me on 9:58…hmmm…Jay, was gibt?

@@, en francais?

josef nix

June 3rd, 2009
10:02 am

jt–thanks. Truth be told I had less trouble being published there than I have here!
@@–donc alors! Vous avez raison, voyez 9:59

Whiner is a Sore Loserman

June 3rd, 2009
10:09 am

Will Obama bow to the Saudi king again?

No, they will just hold hands and kiss like Bush used to do.

josef nix

June 3rd, 2009
10:12 am

Mike Fairbanks–entre autres choses que je vourdrais dire a vous, vous etes un gentilhomme. Merci.

josef nix

June 3rd, 2009
10:13 am

@@, need we say more?

josef nix

June 3rd, 2009
10:15 am

HEY, Y’ALL NEW TOPIC FROM JAY, OKAY MODERATOR, SWITCH GEARS. I AM!!

SOUTHERN ATL

June 3rd, 2009
10:15 am

Finally a REAL RACE….and he CAN WIN!!!!

@@

June 3rd, 2009
10:21 am

josef:

Should we really be swappin’ french slobber online — you bein’ gay and all?

(ISH)

Off the the market. The church’s Wednesday Night Supper is on my plate tonight.

Poor Man’s Cabbage Rolls and some sides — I know knot wot.

josef nix

June 3rd, 2009
10:40 am

@@, Methinks whatever it is so long as it’s en francais, eh…! Had cabbage rolls last p.m.

AmVet

June 6th, 2009
8:50 am