Sorry Icarus — I hate to do this to you

This praise probably won’t make him happy, but whoever posts as “Icarus” at Peachpundit and at has an excellent, thoughtful and honest rebuttal to Erick Erickson’s rather strange “Limbaugh is Jesus” column at Redstate. If the GOP is to be resurrected, to extend Erickson’s unfortunate analogy, it will be down the path that Icarus lays down.

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May 28th, 2009
11:16 pm

Who cares?

Jay, you have been given a large microphone and it is a huge waste to see you use on petty partisan nonsense like this “story” that you have burned two posts on so far. Is this what you envisioned you would be writing about when you were a young aspiring journalist?

DB, Gwinnettian

May 28th, 2009
11:43 pm


May 29th, 2009
12:57 am

If Limbaugh was Jesus, that crucifix would have snapped like matchsticks.

And the Republican Party does not seem likely to rise from the dead, Not in three days, not in three years, not in three centuries.

No one has noticed, but what the Republican Party is going though now very much resembles what was happening to the main conservative party that existed at the time that the Republican Party was rising up from its ashes.

The Republican Party at the time was basically anti-slavery, for a number of reasons. They beleived that making money off of someone elses labor was particularly Un American. Any man should be allowed to rise as high as his own talents, abilities, and labor allowed him to. Making money off of the labor of others, particularly slave labor, which allowed the owner to minimize the costs of labor to as low a level as possible was something antithetical to the entire ideas established in the Constitution. Indeed Lincoln the first Republican president beleived that corporations would bring the downfall of the American Republic:

“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.”

– U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864

(letter to Col. William F. Elkins)

The entire context from which this quote was taken was verified by a researcher, because there were at one time problems verifying that this quote was really made by Lincoln:

“We may congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing its end.
It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood. . . .
It has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic; but I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes
me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war,
corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.
I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless.”

Ref: The Lincoln Encyclopedia, Archer H. Shaw (Macmillan, 1950, NY)

The passage appears in a letter from Lincoln to (Col.) William F. Elkins, Nov. 21, 1864

The Letter was located, authenticates and used as a source for the Lincoln Encyclopedia, which is basically the complete and primary source about Lincoln, containing everything that he wrote which was preserved etc. Its a primary source for those reseaching Lincoln.


May 29th, 2009
12:59 am

God, I would have hated to be the Simon of Cyrene to Limbaugh of Nazareth. The hernia would have been a killer.


May 29th, 2009
1:01 am

Oy. I cant imagine being Simon of Cyrene in this scenario. Being force to carry Limbaugh of Nazareths Cross would have been worse than being crucified.

Joel Edge

May 29th, 2009
4:47 am

I’d say neither was worth reading.

I Rule You :-)/ You Whine :-(

May 29th, 2009
6:24 am

Looks like we got some “moderates,” after all, eh?

That’s the beauty of Conservatism, Limbaugh doesn’t speak for Icarus and Icarus doesn’t speak for all Conservatives.

There is no need to attack him.

Let some lib say that they are pro life and watch the lockstep party holeshots start the riot.

You wanna talk about little tents.


I Rule You :-)/ You Whine :-(

May 29th, 2009
6:28 am

Already, Judge Sotomayor’s unfitness for the high court is abundantly manifest. No non-ethnic white nominee, under any circumstances, could possibly be confirmed if she had uttered, in a formal speech, anything close to the converse of Sotomayor’s statement that Latina judges by their very background and nature, including perhaps “physiological” differences, would be more likely to reach “correct” decisions than would a white male. Especially since it was not a mere throwaway line, but instead amply defended throughout her speech, the statement is so racist in nature that it is utterly disqualifying. Combine it with a whole adult lifetime spent in pursuit of such racialist (if not racist) aims — approving blatant discrimination against white firefighters, opining that states have no right to bar imprisoned felons from voting if the prison populations are disproportionately non-white, and a whole host of other outrageous stances — and the only conclusion is that all reasonable senators of both parties should oppose Sotomayor by every legitimate means.-AmSpec

Notice how the libs have absolutely no problem with reverse racism?


May 29th, 2009
6:31 am

I was unable to open either of these this morning.

However, Jay, if you have time and are so inclined please read my 6:17 a.m. response to your 5:35 p.m. comment on the “I was wrong about you conservatives” post.

I Rule You :-)/ You Whine :-(

May 29th, 2009
7:21 am

My goodness, I’m so glad I am among the best thinkers in the world, Conservatives-

The Broders and Dionnes are oohing and ahhing over Sotomayor’s “moderation.” But she has good reason to strike a soft tone: she knows, like Obama, that she is not a “victim” in any real sense of the word, but rather a lucky winner in liberal America’s contrived suffering sweepstakes. What exactly is there to be mad about when you are parachuted into Princeton?-Nuemayr, AmSpec

And as I have said before, a success they achieved during the Bush reign of terror against minorities.

liberals are fake people living in a fake world of their own whiny contrivance.



May 29th, 2009
7:30 am


You sure Erikson wasn’t being a bit tongue-in-cheek?. Title of his piece about Limbaugh is “The Peter Principle” (even though the article is about the Bible guy Peter) many will think of the “every employee rises to the level of their incompetence” axiom.

Well, maybe not… but I like the idea.

I’ve mentioned before but I’ll repeat: couple years ago was listening to NPRs weekly roundup. Had a couple letters from listeners irate they’d done an interview with Limbaugh. In response, the host responded with a Limbaugh quote from the segment: “Look, my job is to get the greatest number of advertisers, have them advertise as long as possible at the highest rates possible.”

Limbaugh, Gore (radio and cable guys, out of office crusaders, different professions, same purpose) – they’re in it for a buck. They may feel strongly about what they say, but at the end of the day, it’s the $$$$$.

Off topic: The ACORN CEO and ACORN’s Maryland head were on O’Reilly for an extended interview last night. As I said, I select shows based upon the guests as much as anything. Seems ACORN has an address in New Orleans, has had it for years, over 260 organizations use it as their address, it’s where the money is sent. CEO said their money goes to a – I’ll have to double check this, but I’m pretty darn sure she said – private group. Not public. All those taxpayer dollars going to a private group. BOR asked, as they get public funds, could they see the books and let people know they were on the up and up? CEO assured him everything was fine. BOR asked again. She refused.

’nuff said.


May 29th, 2009
8:26 am

Thanks Jay. Thanks a lot.


May 29th, 2009
9:18 am

Welcome to the new socialistic republic of America. Liberal change you can believe! Got your government job yet!?

Selective whiner

May 29th, 2009
10:16 am

Where was the outrage when conservative Supreme Court Justice Sam Alito stated during his Congressional Confirmation Hearing: “My family’s immigrant experience shaped my judicial outlook”? Or how about this one: “When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that into account.”


May 29th, 2009
4:48 pm


I am always amused by those on the left who claim to know what’s best for the Republican party. Thanks Jay.

Ahhh, the inclusiveness card. As if the Democrat party is just one big happy tent where all views are treated equally.

I look out at the Democrat landscape and see all the nationally prominent pro-lifers. Those who advocate for smaller government. Those who…you get the point.

Here’s the truth; if the economy continues to tank, a terrorist attack occurs or an ally is annihilated the Democrats will be blamed. Not by everyone, but by enough people to swing an election.

I don’t want these calamities, I don’t hope for them. Just imagine, if 9/11 had been averted, if the surge had been started earlier, if the $550 billion run on banks in September described on C-Span by Democrat rep Kanjorski had not occured, things might be different.


May 31st, 2009
5:25 pm

Yet how not a single union boss has lost his cherry pension.., or anything else under Obama.

Patricia Shannon

June 2nd, 2009
6:59 pm

Of course the fact that supreme court justice Roberts has been part of the wealthy elite all his life has nothing to do with the fact that he always votes with the interests of the elite. Of course not.

Patricia Shannon

June 2nd, 2009
7:03 pm

If this is the same Icarus who posts comments at, the vast majority of his comments cause decent people to be repulsed. Reading his comments usually make me feel like I have had liquified manure pour over me.


June 4th, 2009
11:48 pm

No Patricia, that’s not me.

Though I have often caused my readers to have that or a similar reaction.