For today’s graduates, the promise of better times

This is not, by statistical measures, a wonderful time to graduate from high school or college. Watching your daughter march across the stage to accept her college degree, a guy starts to think about such things.

After all, work is scarce, credit is tight, and economists say the foreseeable future looks pretty grim.

Trying to find a job and start a career in a time of such transition, an era in which institutions and industries are collapsing with little real sense of what will replace them, or what the future holds —- it ought to be intimidating.

Yet I don’t see that fear in the eyes of today’s graduates, only eagerness and passion.

And while it’s tempting to explain that optimism as the foolishness of youth, I suspect it’s more well-grounded in fact than the rest of us understand.

In important ways, this is probably a better time than most to start an adult life and make a mark on the world.

Yes, things are scary out there. The easy prosperity that just a year ago seemed our national birthright has disappeared.

The world today can seem diminished in potential compared to the world that we adults had known until now.

But the shock of that change has to be more profound for those of us who have been around a while, who have built expectations of how the world should and would operate.

For many older Americans, there’s an understandable sense that this isn’t how things were supposed to be.

But those just entering adulthood aren’t shackled by such expectations. They have no sense of loss, no sense of disappointment or even surprise.

From their perspective, the world they’re about to enter, the world of jobs and careers and business, was going to be new and strange no matter what; the economic disruption and transitions of the past year don’t change that at all.

To the contrary, their lack of expectation, their adaptability and yes, their willingness to work more cheaply give them a great advantage in times like these.

The rhythm of this new era is already their rhythm; this is the world they know, the world in which they have grown up.

Their mothers and fathers, and even their older sisters and brothers, may have years or decades of experience, but in many ways that matter, they know this environment better than we, their elders, do.

They know it instinctively.

It wasn’t that long ago that you would come across articles bemoaning the fact that opportunities for young people would likely be stifled by the refusal of baby boomers to get off the stage, to surrender jobs and opportunity.

With real estate prices soaring, they also wouldn’t be able to afford to buy houses of their own until well into adulthood.

All that is less of a problem now too. (Well, it’s less of a problem for young people, but more of a problem for us boomers.)

In an old-growth forest, the big trees block sunlight from reaching the forest floor, suppressing competition.

But once a few of the old trees are knocked down, once the landscape changes and the canopy opens to blue sky above, suddenly there’s opportunity where none existed.

That’s today’s world. And unless things take an even worse turn, this will be the toughest economic climate today’s graduates ever experience.

They’ll figure out a way to survive it, to make it work, and with luck, they’ll never know how hard they had it.

94 comments Add your comment

Paul

May 26th, 2009
12:38 pm

Careful, Jay, or you’ll get a reputation as a sunny optimist!

I Rule You :-)/ You Whine :-(

May 26th, 2009
12:39 pm

But the shock of that change has to be more profound for those of us who have been around a while, who have built expectations of how the world should and would operate.

Come on bookman, you know there is going to be a Republican president in 2012, they will get things turned back around.

Socialism, out the window, Day Number One.

Geez, what a clown.

I Rule You :-)/ You Whine :-(

May 26th, 2009
12:40 pm

It cracks me up to think that in 2010 Americans will be demanding “change.”

Hahahahahaha, you blew it libtards.

Brad Steel

May 26th, 2009
12:42 pm

When things get better, they will be able to get a job and then buy a house.

Ah the pure bliss of obligations and responsibilities.

My wizened advice to the today’s grads: avoid both until it becomes unseemly.

Brad Steel

May 26th, 2009
12:45 pm

“socialism,” “libtards,” “clown”

great parroting, Whiner.

Whiner wanna cracker?

Paul

May 26th, 2009
12:53 pm

Jay

People are going to think you’re a sunny optimist!

Dave R

May 26th, 2009
12:54 pm

“For today’s graduates, promise of better times”.

Thank you, Captain Obvious!

Do they really pay you for this stuff, Jay? Or do they just give you cool gifts to write such tripe?

Dave R

May 26th, 2009
1:01 pm

Bookman’s next post:

“The sun will come out – tomorrow!”

booger

May 26th, 2009
1:18 pm

So today’s graduates will gladly accept a world of reduced expectations.

This is the start of the downfall of our society. America was built on high expectations. A land where an individual could work hard, take risks, and at least have a chance of prospering. This has now been traded off for an over leveraged country where favored groups of people will prosper on the backs of these individuals.

I am one of the older people who see what is happening. I spent seven years working in Europe in three different countries. You could not have described the Europeon climate better. A continuous campaign to lower expectations. Regardless of what most of these people think of America in general, the ambitious in Europe have always admired America as a place where hard work and vision could equal success….this is true no longer.

So I also honor the new graduates, and am saddened at the new world of lower expectations they enter.

getalife

May 26th, 2009
1:20 pm

They will find out our government screwed them big time.

mike

May 26th, 2009
1:41 pm

Apparently the story that Jay ran about Liberty University was quite flawed:

“A number of media sources recently reported that Liberty University banned Democrats from meeting on campus. One headline erroneously read: “Democrats at Liberty University forced to meet off campus.” Apparently many journalists do not let the facts get in the way of a juicy, agenda-driven story.

The story was spun out of control from the beginning, when Terry McAuliffe, a Democratic gubernatorial candidate for Virginia, called a telephone press conference to talk about the College Democrat club formed by students of Liberty University. The presses began to buzz. Much of what went to print was wrong. Most journalists were interested in scooping their competitors rather than seeking the truth. Even when some reporters learned the facts, they could not bring themselves to correct their stories because the fanciful reports were just too tempting.

The University has not banned Democrats from campus. Nor has the Democrat club been banned from meeting.

And, never has the University or its’ officials said that a person cannot be a Christian and a Democrat. Sorry for those who want to run with these titillating sound bites, but these are the facts.

The students who formed the Democrat club last October are good students. They are pro-life and believe in traditional marriage. They can continue to meet on campus. The only thing that has changed came about as part of a University-wide review of all student organizations for official recognition status. Official recognition carries with it the benefit of using the University name and funds. While this group will not be an officially recognized club, it may still meet on campus.”

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvoices/2009/05/democrats_at_liberty.html?hpid=talkbox1

Dave R

May 26th, 2009
1:41 pm

This just in Jay: Dogs shed their fur during warmer weather! Maybe you can tie that into some “more hairless dogs due to global warming” column . . .

@@

May 26th, 2009
1:44 pm

For many older Americans, there’s an understandable sense that this isn’t how things were supposed to be.

and for those graduating, it will quickly become obvious to them too.

But those just entering adulthood aren’t shackled by such expectations. They have no sense of loss, no sense of disappointment or even surprise.

You really do underestimate our younger generation, jay.

My daughter and her beau spent the last four days here. She’s onto graduate school for a specialized degree. I’m not that worried about her. Still, the economy has definitely impacted her income on the job. Because people have less money to spend, she’s not able to build up the reserves she was counting on.

But her beau…a veteran with four-years in the Navy? He’s about to graduate with a degree in finance only to hear his president tell him that financial degrees will no longer be needed.

He was not pleased!!!! His response was “I guess that’s because he’s taken over.”

Regardless of your opinion, jay, many are capable of thinking, assessing, experiencing and will be looking to lay blame.

Obama’s CHANGE won’t be lookin’ so good come 2010….2012.

mike

May 26th, 2009
1:45 pm

Oh and be certain to catch the hate speech of the “tolerant” liberals posting beneath the story.

Again, I can only laugh when noting that those call Liberty intolerant are most often even more intolerant themselves.

Dogs Against Whiners

May 26th, 2009
1:47 pm

This also just in Jay: Whiner and Dave R are douchebags.

Redneck Convert

May 26th, 2009
1:54 pm

Well, it’s about time these young people got a look at the Real World. You don’t get a good job just by setting in a classroom for four years and that’s the way it should be. Learning to read and write and think big ideas don’t make you able to do any job. Unless you’re Bookman. Just look at the people on Bookman’s Blog. The people that say they got it made and want to hold onto what they have are the most worst writters in the whole place. And probly some of the worst thinkers too.

Anyhow, I got a great job and I never made it out of 5th grade and it never hurt me none. Seems to me people use to hire colledge graduates because the people that done the hiring were colledge graduates. Then they found out something. The colledge graduates needed as much training as the people that never went, and the people that never went cost less.

So this is all just Free Innerprize taking over. It don’t matter if you spent $100,000 getting a degree if the work you want to do can get done as good and cheaper by some guy that gets to work on a bicycle in India.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

I Rule You :-)/ You Whine :-(

May 26th, 2009
2:01 pm

I’d like to see bookman write the inverse to this column, tomorrow’s deadbeats, crackheads and pimps can look forward to a brighter future, even more “pay” for the work that they don’t do, bigger sacks of weed, some chardonnay instead of Mad Dog and lots more friends to hang out with on the street corner, Obozo is turning out the unemployed at 700,000 per month.

And two packs of cigarettes for each democrat vote instead of one!

yay!

@@

May 26th, 2009
2:01 pm

This is interesting:

Brad Steel@12:42

Ah the pure bliss of obligations and responsibilities.

My wizened advice to the today’s grads: avoid both until it becomes unseemly.

Democrat?

getalife

May 26th, 2009
2:09 pm

I am sure they watched the w economic disaster unfold and know they are screwed.

Doubt they will vote gop and the cons know it.

More angry than usual today and they are taking it out on Jay.

Perhaps they should take it out on their failed party.

Mrs. Norris

May 26th, 2009
2:09 pm

I don’t know how many graduates were polled to reach this sunny conclusion but let me tell you what the young folk really think. The baby-boomers have left a big stinking mess for us and now they’ll be wanting us to take care of them in their old age and there won’t be any social security left for us when we get old. Thanks baby-boomers! We hate you and we think you’re hypocrites to boot.

mike

May 26th, 2009
2:13 pm

“Thanks baby-boomers! We hate you and we think you’re hypocrites to boot.”

Speak for yourself. I don’t hate my parents.

Get a grip.

jt

May 26th, 2009
2:45 pm

All of the younger college-age people that I know, recognize the federal goverment for what it is.
A huge collective shrug is coming.

georgian by birth floridian because I'm lucky

May 26th, 2009
2:47 pm

Maybe not hate but Mrs. Norris does have a point that as most of my friends and my wife(I’m 27 shes 24 and both graduated w/i 3 yrs) and her friends do not really blame one party or the other, much like in the 60’s we blame the generation that allowed it to happen. Once again leaving the cleanup and hardships to be dealt with by the younger generations.

I just love it when I see people onhere claim that they know what the youth will do when there are very few on here who could be claimed as youth.

I am in my 20’s most if not all of my friends are, and many of my collegues. This notion that WE are mad at a party is wrong we are mad at the way you all have driven the boat, and how your failed decisions have had an impact on our lives even before we graduated.

So thanks for your attempt at putting us all into a nice box as you all ave with everyone for the past 60-70 yrs. both liberal and conservative, but don’t worry we will be there to clean up.

We are not scared, we are ready willing and able to take this country back to the heights it was designed to be.

pat

May 26th, 2009
2:54 pm

So lets see, since obama took over he has managed to spend 1.2 trillion bucks already on the “economy” to which the fed responded recently to a gloomy future outlook, i.e. the stimulus didn’t work and what’s left in the pipe won’t help. Obama reaches his hand out to Iran so they start test firing missiles. He reaches out to Venezuela and Columbia and so they respond by engaging in uranium trade with Iran. North Korea test fires a missile so we condemn in the strongest of language, so they do an under ground nuclear test too. He has let Afghanistan get overrun with taliban. He wanted to release all the torture info from the Bush years and then figured out it was a bad idea and rescinded on the pictures. He wants to take a bad health care situation and make it worse by nationalizing it. He wants to spend 3 trillion more dollars on his budget to pay for his health car plan and then wants to tax even sugar consumption to pay for it. He tried to close Gitmo, with high profile violent terrorists with out a plan. Etc. etc. etc.

Yup, these graduates have a lot to look forward to…Fewer jobs and more taxes, whooopiee!

Bottom line, I say Rush is getting his wish, he is a failure.

DB, Gwinnettian

May 26th, 2009
2:55 pm

Apparently the story that Jay ran about Liberty University was quite flawed

Why, because Jerry Fallwell Jr. says so?

mike

May 26th, 2009
3:03 pm

DB –

“Why, because Jerry Fallwell Jr. says so?”

Because Ja’s article said that the Democrat club was banned from meeting on campus and that isn’t true.

Sorry that facts are getting in the way of your desire to be contemptuous of Liberty.

Midori

May 26th, 2009
3:09 pm

Pat,

but not quite the huge failure that is you.

RW-(the original)

May 26th, 2009
3:24 pm

DB,

Do you honestly think the school Chancellor is going to write in the Washington Post that the Democrat Club is free to meet on campus and then deny them that?

mike

May 26th, 2009
3:26 pm

RW –

Well, of course. He must be a liar and an idiot if he doesn’t share DB’s political and spiritual views. What other explanation could there be? ;)

DB, Gwinnettian

May 26th, 2009
3:33 pm

RW/Mike, why are you both choosing to take Junior Fallwell’s bait and make this about whether the now-unrecognized club is permitted to assemble on campus?

(which, obviously, the club’s members were led to believe, originally, that they would not be permitted even that, when the story first broke.)

BDAtlanta

May 26th, 2009
3:34 pm

Old joke about Philosophy majors: They get their diplomas rolled up…so they can use em to help find the end of the unemployment line.

RealityKing

May 26th, 2009
3:40 pm

Graduating college is a HUGE accomplishment…, even if it isn’t a job producing Math and Science degree.

Congradulations Jay!!

mike

May 26th, 2009
3:41 pm

DB –

My point is that the article Jay posted is inaccurate. It claims that the Democrat club was banned from campus, which is a lot different than not being recognized and funded by the university.

Sorry, some of us think that newspapers should report accurate information and make corrections when they report demonstrably inaccurate information. If that doesn’t bother you, it is your right to be willfully deceived. However, responding by implying that their chancellor is deceptive without providing any rationale is uncalled for.

As for what the club believed, did you ever consider the possibility that a bunch of passionate college kids might exaggerate the scale of the “injustice” being perpetrated against them? You are certainly willing to make the implying that the chancellor of the school is deceptive. Why not consider that the club might be the deceptive ones? Because you sympathize with their political views?

getalife

May 26th, 2009
3:41 pm

“Oh no! I hope Republicans don’t feel betrayed:
RFE/RL: As you know, General, the debate over Guantanamo and enhanced interrogation techniques has become “Topic A” in Washington. In your view, does the closing of “Gitmo” and the abandonment of those techniques complicate the U.S. mission in Iraq, Afghanistan, and in the overall struggle against violent transnational extremist groups or does it help it?

Petraeus: I think, on balance, that those moves help it. In fact, I have long been on record as having testified and also in helping write doctrine for interrogation techniques that are completely in line with the Geneva Convention …

With respect to Guantanamo, I think that the closure in a responsible manner … But doing that in a responsible manner, I think, sends an important message to the world, as does the commitment of the United States to observe the Geneva Convention when it comes to the treatment of detainees.

I can’t wait for Dick Cheney to explain how David Petraeus is making America less safe.”

D’oh!

RealityKing

May 26th, 2009
3:45 pm

Worse case scenario.., she goes on to become a progressively over edcuated liberal like her father.

Best case scenario.., she marries an over educated math and science republican.

RealityKing

May 26th, 2009
3:48 pm

You know…, an educated man that believes in putting family over self. i.e. Not a mainstream progressive.

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
3:48 pm

pat,

I’m not sure if you’ve noticed or not, but the stock market does not seem to be in the free fall it was up to Obama’s inauguration. In fact, the entire economy seems to have stabilized a bit. But I guess we should ignore that. After all, Obama should be able to undo 8 years of financial destabilization in 3 months. That’s not an unrealistic expectation is it?

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
3:49 pm

pat,

“North Korea test fires a missile so we condemn in the strongest of language, so they do an under ground nuclear test too. He has let Afghanistan get overrun with taliban.”

Are we talking about Bush?

DB, Gwinnettian

May 26th, 2009
3:50 pm

it is your right to be willfully deceived.

You’ve done nothing to prove that any willing deception took place at all.

The original story reported the facts as they were understood at the time. If you go to Jay’s post and follow the link you’ll see they updated it to include Junior Fallwell’s attempt to explain it in a fashion that made Liberty appear somewhat less fascistic.

mike

May 26th, 2009
3:51 pm

getalife –

There are plenty of Republicans (although I don’t think Patreaus has ever made his political affiliation known) who have called for the same thing. No big whoop.

That being said, Cheney’s views on harsh interrogation are shared by 71% of the American public.

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
3:53 pm

getalife,

“I can’t wait for Dick Cheney to explain how David Petraeus is making America less safe.”

I’m sure it will involve mentioning 9/11 27 times and the word freedom. Maybe something about a tax cut will be wriggle into it as well.

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
3:55 pm

mike,

“That being said, Cheney’s views on harsh interrogation are shared by 71% of the American public.”

Those views could be shared by 100% of the American public, but it does not necessarily make it morally right.

Joey

May 26th, 2009
3:55 pm

Very positive, almost convincing.

I suggest that you make a commitment to yourself and us to revisit this subject in six months and in twelve months with a re-evauation of the article’s content.

It is my hope that you will be able to say: “See I told you so.” But I expect the opposite.

mike

May 26th, 2009
3:58 pm

DB –

“You’ve done nothing to prove that any willing deception took place at all.”

Never claimed that anyone was willfully deceiving you when the story broke. I believe it was an honest mistake. What I meant is that you are willing to be deceived by not caring about the story’s accuracy and by rushing to deny the correction when it is made available to you.

Jay was the one to bring this non-story to our attention and he has yet to update the group that the information he fed us was wrong.

At least you admit that the orignial facts were incorrect. A few minutes ago you were denying it.

Finally, your calling Liberty fascistic is as pathetic as whiner calling Democrats socialists. You and he are very similar in your “debating”: skills.

mike

May 26th, 2009
4:01 pm

jewcowboy -

“Those views could be shared by 100% of the American public, but it does not necessarily make it morally right.”

Fair enough, but by that logic, Bush and Cheney’s low approval ratings mean nothing as well. We have certainly had the converse from the left for the past few months.

mike

May 26th, 2009
4:05 pm

jewcowboy -

“I’m sure it will involve mentioning 9/11 27 times”

Kind of like how the left continues to be incapable of discussing any subject without invoking Cheney ;)

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
4:07 pm

mike,

“Fair enough, but by that logic, Bush and Cheney’s low approval ratings mean nothing as well.”

Approval rating mean little in reality.

RW-(the original)

May 26th, 2009
4:09 pm

DB @ 3:33,

I think you’re just upset because you spent so much time the other day whining over Jay B’s half baked story and now it turns out there was very little to it, but I could be wrong. As Mike said, maybe you just like being told what you want to hear and couldn’t care less about the facts.

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
4:09 pm

mike,

“Kind of like how the left continues to be incapable of discussing any subject without invoking Cheney”

A little different considering the right seems to be be incapable of discussing any subject without invoking Cheney as well. The left responds to the rights spokesperson, and the right seems to be making Cheney into that.

mike

May 26th, 2009
4:11 pm

jewcowboy -

“Approval rating mean little in reality.”

Agreed, but that opinion is not shared by many of the liberal partisans on this blog who view it as proof that they are “right”.

Bosch

May 26th, 2009
4:16 pm

Well, I wish the best for all of 2009 graduates – education is so very important to all in order to achieve, and obviously, this guy didn’t have any:

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2009/05/26/father_tattoo_toddler.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab&imw=Y

Yes, I hope none of them wind up like him.

Can you imagine? “Hey I know, let’s get drunk and tatoo the kid.” There are way more stupid people in the world than smart ones.

mike

May 26th, 2009
4:19 pm

jewcowboy -

“A little different considering the right seems to be be incapable of discussing any subject without invoking Cheney as well.”

Well, I would say that the right talks about Cheney about 1/10th as often as the left does. For example, getalife was the one who, when presented the Patreaus quote, immediately rushed to use it to contrast Cheney.

“The left responds to the rights spokesperson, and the right seems to be making Cheney into that.”

Bah. This is the next phase of the White House telling us who the leader of conservatives is with the help of their supporters in the media. Cheney had has speech at the AEI planned weeks ago. The White House chose to follow up because they want to reinforce the notion that Cheney is leading the GOP. The effort backfired a bit, as Cheney’s popularity is increasing. (That’s not my analysis, that is Chuck Todd’s from MSNBC based on the feedback he has gotten from his sources in the White House.)

Don’t you find it interesting that the media doesn’t seem interested in covering John McCain, the last GOP Presidential candidate? Think it has something to do with the fact that he is moderate and widely popular in the country?

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
4:19 pm

mike,

Sometime what’s right and what’s popular are not the same, sometimes they are. Many things are gray, much as the freakin weather in the South for the past 3 months! Sorry, I just spent $300 a night on a hotel room this weekend in Hilton Head, just to stare at rain showers and I’m a little peeved.

mike

May 26th, 2009
4:22 pm

jewcowboy -

“Sometime what’s right and what’s popular are not the same, sometimes they are.”

I agree. I think Bush and Cheney were right, but they sure ain’t popular :)

Sorry to hear about the weekend. That is a drag. Hopefully the bar was open ;)

mike

May 26th, 2009
4:24 pm

Bosch -

Whew. I was glad to see that the tattoo didn’t read “Liberty University 2029″. We never would have hear the end of it :)

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
4:24 pm

mike,

“This is the next phase of the White House telling us who the leader of conservatives is with the help of their supporters in the media.’

Who is the leader of the conservatives?

“Don’t you find it interesting that the media doesn’t seem interested in covering John McCain, the last GOP Presidential candidate?”

Have you heard from Bob Dole or Michael Dukakis lately?

“Think it has something to do with the fact that he is moderate and widely popular in the country?”

No, I think it has to do with the fact that he changed his positions so often to pander for votes he lost all credibility. Colin Powell seems to be getting quite a bit of press lately by being a moderate Republican. How’s the right treating him?

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
4:32 pm

mike,

“I agree. I think Bush and Cheney were right, but they sure ain’t popular.”

Sometimes yes, sometimes no, just as Obama will be. The people who think their leaders can do no wrong, or those who think their leaders can do no right are doomed to be marginalized. The truth is, sometimes they do good, sometimes they do bad. You cannot please everyone, but I think all of our leaders try to do what they think is best for our country, despite of my personal objection to some of the things they do. When one party starts to talk of a permanent majority, you know they are doomed for a great fall.

“We’ve seen the hubris. And now we’re seeing the scandals.”

~ David R. Gergen quotes

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
4:33 pm

mike,

“Sorry to hear about the weekend. That is a drag. Hopefully the bar was open”

Thanks! Thank goodness for one of the great innovations in my lifetime, the minibar ;)

ty webb

May 26th, 2009
4:35 pm

The right is treating Powell as he should be treated. Powell voted for a democrat. No one kicked him out of the party. Cheney called him on it. It’s as simple as that. Sorry to butt in, but I couldn’t resist.

mike

May 26th, 2009
4:35 pm

jewcowboy -

“Who is the leader of the conservatives?”

II would say McConnell, Cantor and McCain. They are actual sitting elected leaders.

“Have you heard from Bob Dole or Michael Dukakis lately?”

Nope, but they aren’t in office. I sure heard from John Kerry in 2005.

“No, I think it has to do with the fact that he changed his positions so often to pander for votes he lost all credibility.”

Maybe with you, but you don’t seem to like any Republicans. According to Gallup, he has an approval rating of 67%, higher than the “wildly popular” Obama.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105073/McCains-67-Favorable-Rating-Highest-Eight-Years.aspx

“Colin Powell seems to be getting quite a bit of press lately by being a moderate Republican. How’s the right treating him?”

Well the extreme right doesn’t seem to like him much, just as the extreme left doesn’t like Lieberman. Both of them supported candidates from the other party which has a tendency to make hardcore party folks upset.

mike

May 26th, 2009
4:36 pm

jewcowboy –

“Thank goodness for one of the great innovations in my lifetime, the minibar”

Whew, that’s a pricey way to catch a buzz, but when in an emergency…

mike

May 26th, 2009
4:40 pm

jewcowboy -

” When one party starts to talk of a permanent majority, you know they are doomed for a great fall.”

Well, based on the comments of Democrats on this blog, their fall should be coming soon. Particularly when their version of Karl Rove is writing books titled:

“40 More Years: How the Democrats Will Rule the Next Generation”

http://www.amazon.com/40-More-Years-Democrats-Generation/dp/1416569898/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1243370353&sr=8-1

Jay

May 26th, 2009
4:44 pm

Mike, RW, the story was not half-baked. It was reported accurately: The club was initially banned from meeting at Liberty University. However, in the face of criticism the school later changed its position to soften the impact of its decision.

Again, that is a change of position by the school, not an incorrect story.

I’ve read the original email from Liberty informing the college Democrats of the decision (available at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/22/AR2009052202189.html)
It informs the club president that a new policy involving clubs is now in place. It goes on to quote that policy:
“No student club or organization shall be approved, recognized or permitted to meet on campus, advertise, distribute or post materials, or use University facilities if the statements, positions, doctrines, policies, constitutions, bylaws, platforms, activities or events of such club or organization, its parent, affiliate, chapter or similarly named group (even if the similarly named group is not the actual parent, affiliate or chapter) are inconsistent or in conflict with the distinctly Christian mission of the University, the Liberty Way, the Honor Code, or the policies and procedures promulgated by the University.”

It then informs the club that the Democratic Party is “the parent organization of the club on campus,” and that the “The Democratic Party Platform is contrary to the mission of LU and to Christian doctrine (supports abortion, federal funding of abortion, advocates repeal of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, promotes the “LGBT” agenda, Hate Crimes, which include sexual orientation and gender identity, socialism, etc).”

In other words, the email was clear that A., the club was in violation of the new policy, and that B., no student club or organization in violation of the policy “shall be approved, recognized or permitted to meet on campus, advertise …. etc.”

RW-(the original)

May 26th, 2009
4:51 pm

So the email makes a false claim and nobody bothered to check with the school to verify that the club was actually not allowed to meet on campus when they really were. Sounds half baked to me, but why would I expect a reporter to check facts?

Mike, RW, the story was not half-baked. It was reported accurately: The club was initially banned from meeting at Liberty University. However, in the face of criticism the school later changed its position to soften the impact of its decision.

The Falwell editorial sure doesn’t say they were banned and the policy revisited so where does that little factoid come from Jay B?

S GA dem

May 26th, 2009
4:51 pm

But Jay, those are facts and have no place in this forum.

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
4:55 pm

mike,

“The right is treating Powell as he should be treated. Powell voted for a democrat.” ty webb

“Maybe with you, but you don’t seem to like any Republicans.”

I do not mind Republicans; I do not like any politician who acts like a theocrat. The Republicans who pander to far religious right and govern accordingly have no place in government, in my opinion. But that’s me. I actually do have a problem with the fact that moderate Republicans have been replaced by Democrats, simply due to the tarnished Republican brand. I think it’s bad for the country and for civil discourse.

I didn’t mind McCain at first and had even considered voting for him. The way he handled the last debate and his return to Washington was political pandering at it’s most disgusting. And quite frankly, I don’t like don’t vote against my own best interest. When I looked into McCain’s past support of gay rights, I knew I could not vote for him:

- Against adoption by gay couples
- Against gay marriage, civil unions or domestic partnerships
- Against federal protections for gay couples
- Against the repeal of DADT
- Against non-discrimination protection for gay people in the work force
- Against federal hate crimes legislation

Not quite that moderate.

mike

May 26th, 2009
4:55 pm

Jay –

Fair enough. Thanks for the clarification. It appears that I was wrong and that the original story was accurate.

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
4:59 pm

mike,

“Well, based on the comments of Democrats on this blog, their fall should be coming soon.”

Maybe not soon, but everything is cyclical. Eventually the Republican Party will stop pandering to the far right, and will start looking at the middle, and things will reverse. If they are incapable of doing so, then a new party will emerge and do so. Either way the quote I posted at 4.32 is equally applicable to what ever party is in power.

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
4:59 pm

mike,

“Whew, that’s a pricey way to catch a buzz, but when in an emergency…”

Just doing my part to stimulate the economy :)

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
5:02 pm

ty webb,

“Powell voted for a democrat.”

Where is it written you have to vote along party lines and not for the candidate of your choice?

mike

May 26th, 2009
5:03 pm

jewcowboy –

Not certain what Ty’s comments have to do with anything. Are we supposed to extrapolate greater meaning from Taxpayer’s comments?

Regardless of your opinions as to who has a place in government, politcal parties regularly pander to interest groups. Democrats do it with just as much frequency as Republicans.

Moderate Republicans have not been replaced by Democrats, despite the opinions of Bill Maher. The Republicans just lost two elections and are regrouping.

You might not like McCain’s views on gay rights, but his views are not outside of the mainstream and hence, do not disqualify him from being considered a moderate. Regardless, my point was that he is popular and for that reason has been ignored by the media in favor of unpopular folks like Limbugh, who is only considered the leader of the GOP by 18%, despite Rahm’s campaign to have the media bleat otherwise.

mike

May 26th, 2009
5:04 pm

jewcwoboy –

“Where is it written you have to vote along party lines and not for the candidate of your choice?”

Apparently in Connecticut if you are a Democrat. Ask Joe Lieberman.

RW-(the original)

May 26th, 2009
5:04 pm

By the way, in the first paragraph at 4:51I’m musing a possibility, not trying to state a fact.

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
5:10 pm

mike,

“Regardless, my point was that he is popular and for that reason has been ignored by the media in favor of unpopular folks like Limbugh, who is only considered the leader of the GOP by 18%, despite Rahm’s campaign to have the media bleat otherwise.”

Perhaps he is not being noisy enough. The press likes those noisy people. How else can you explain Ann Coulter?

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
5:12 pm

mike,

“Not certain what Ty’s comments have to do with anything. Are we supposed to extrapolate greater meaning from Taxpayer’s comments?”

Sorry, that was a mistype and not meant at you.

ty webb

May 26th, 2009
5:14 pm

jewcowboy,
Powell can vote for anyone he wishes. Cheney simply took offense to what powell said about the best way for the GOP to win future elections. Despite your opinion, McCain is widely considered a moderate. Here’s Powell suggesting that the GOP become more moderate after an election where he endorsed Obama, a democrat, over a moderate. Didn’t make much sense to Cheney, and doesn’t make much sense to me.

ty webb

May 26th, 2009
5:17 pm

Mike,
are you comparing me to taxpayer?

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
5:20 pm

mike,

“Apparently in Connecticut if you are a Democrat. Ask Joe Lieberman.”

Unfortunately party and name recognition rules. There was crap movie in the 90’s call “The Distinguished Gentleman,” with Eddie Murphy. The movie was crap as I said, but the funny part was showing how he was elected on name recognition alone. Sadly, that is very true today on both sides of the aisle.

I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(

May 26th, 2009
5:23 pm

6-1: CA Supreme Court upholds gay marriage ban…

bwa.

How about diM, a victory for our side.

Ima New Grad

May 26th, 2009
5:29 pm

I expect my Georgia House and Senate pols to do the right thing by seeing that our taxes are used wiseley so that businesses can hire me. I do not think that either one of them would say they look out for taxpayers and then vote for pork barrell projects, do you? That would place them in the bald faced lying hypocrite category would it not?

Take for instance the C-17 (made in Macon), F21s (Marietta) and other “big defense” projects where the expert military chiefs say we have enough already and the pol hacks say we need more because they are made in Georgia. Now that would just be looking out for taxpayers and not make them look like liars and hypocrites,right????

mike

May 26th, 2009
5:29 pm

“Perhaps he is not being noisy enough. The press likes those noisy people. How else can you explain Ann Coulter?”

I agree, but I don’t think that he has stopped trying to relevant. He’s the same guy the press loved to cover until Obama got elected. The media wants to cover Limbaugh and Cheney because they are unpopular and that’t the face they want to be on the GOP.

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
5:30 pm

mike,

“You might not like McCain’s views on gay rights, but his views are not outside of the mainstream and hence, do not disqualify him from being considered a moderate.”

But those views are outside the mainstream of younger voters. I’ve not read the Carville book you listed, but in reading the summation, he seems to be saying essentially the hard right stance on social issues by the Republican Party puts them at odds with the social views of the new generation of younger voters, turning them off the party. Democrats are viewed as more socially accepting, hence their greater appeal to younger voters. Until the Republican Party becomes more accepting, they are doomed to become the cast aside party of old white Southern men.

I read an article that made me think. Reagan won almost the entire Northeast in 1980. Why have the Republicans lost almost all of it now, with the exception of 2 moderate Republican senators in Maine? I don’t have the answer, but it made me think.

mike

May 26th, 2009
5:30 pm

jewcowboy –

“Sadly, that is very true today on both sides of the aisle.”

We can definitely agree on that!

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
5:31 pm

I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-( ,

“How about diM, a victory for our side.”

They also upheld the 18,000 marriages performed. Cherry pick your facts much?

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
5:35 pm

mike,

“The media wants to cover Limbaugh and Cheney because they are unpopular and that’t the face they want to be on the GOP.”

That is one way to look at it. I tend to view it from a sales issues. Did you see the way the major news porgrams built up the Cheney/Obama speeches? It looked like a UFC fight commercial.

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
5:37 pm

mike,

Nice talking with you, but I’ve gotta fly. It’s time to run between the raindrops.

pat

May 26th, 2009
5:38 pm

“jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
3:49 pm
pat,

“North Korea test fires a missile so we condemn in the strongest of language, so they do an under ground nuclear test too. He has let Afghanistan get overrun with taliban.”

Are we talking about Bush?”

No, we are talking about obama…If we were talking about Bush, I would have said it. Glad you cannot despute the actual facts….The ol’ Bush did it” mantra doesn’t apply here. This is all obama.

mike

May 26th, 2009
6:06 pm

jewcowboy –

“Did you see the way the major news porgrams built up the Cheney/Obama speeches? It looked like a UFC fight commercial.”

Oh I definitely agree. Obama and his team are very media savvy and they knew that this how it would be portrayed if they gave their speech right after Cheney. They wanted the split screen with their on one side and a very unpopular guy on the other. If they had not done so, the Cheney speech would have gotten much less coverage. They wanted Cheney to get the coverage because that is who they want to portray the opposition as.

mike

May 26th, 2009
6:07 pm

jewcowboy –

Nice to chat with you as well.

jewcowboy

May 26th, 2009
7:34 pm

pat,

Glad to know there is not an unreasonably high expectation level. Lets see where the Bush Admin was at with the Taiban at the same period in his Presidency:

“In mid-May, 2001, Secretary of State Colin Powell announced a $43 million grant to Afghanistan in addition to the humanitarian aid the United States had long been providing to agencies assisting Afghan refugees.”

“There was little doubt that the new stipend was a reward for Kabul’s anti-drug efforts. That $43 million grant needs to be placed in context. Afghanistan’s estimated gross domestic product was a mere $2 billion. The equivalent financial impact on the U.S. economy would have required an infusion of $215 billion. In other words, $43 million was very serious money to Afghanistan’s theocratic masters.”
~ CATO Institute

And 5 years later…
“North Korea says it has carried out its first test of a nuclear weapon.
It said the underground test, carried out in defiance of international warnings, was a success and had not resulted in any leak of radiation.

The US said intelligence had detected a seismic event at a suspected test site and Russia said it was “100% certain” a nuclear test had occurred.

The US said the reported test was a “provocative act”, while China denounced it as “brazen”.

In an unusually strong statement against its ally, China expressed its “resolute opposition” to the claimed test and said it “defied the universal opposition of international society”.
~ October 9, 2006 BBC

“The word is about, there’s something evolving,
whatever may come, the world keeps revolving
They say the next big thing is here,
that the revolution’s near,
but to me it seems quite clear
that it’s all just a little bit of history repeating

The newspapers shout a new style is growing,
but it don’t know if it’s coming or going,
there is fashion, there is fad
some is good, some is bad
and the joke is rather sad,
that its all just a little bit of history repeating

.. and I’ve seen it before
.. and I’ll see it again
.. yes I’ve seen it before
.. just little bits of history repeating.”
~ Propellerheads feat. Dame Shirley Bassey – History Repeating

DB, Gwinnettian

May 26th, 2009
8:41 pm

you spent so much time the other day whining over Jay B’s half baked story

Huh? I think I posted two short messages, asking for someone to provide an example of a liberal college banning a republican club.

TnGelding

May 26th, 2009
11:35 pm

I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(

May 26th, 2009
12:39 pm

Please explain why McCain wanted to get the country back on the right track as well?

You could be right, but it’s way too early to tell. It was in Reagan’s third year before things improved noticably from the Nixon era.

TnGelding

May 26th, 2009
11:39 pm

pat

May 26th, 2009
5:38 pm

Much ado about nothing. It’s disappointing to see North Korea wasting precious resources while its people starve, tho.

oldmac

May 27th, 2009
11:07 am

I sort of agree with your premise-in the freest country in the history of the planet (at least for the time being) it’s always a good time but up to the free (at least for the time being) individual to achieve.

But, truthfully, I suspect that the DNC is starting the “thing’s ain’t so bad after all” drumbeat so as to get ready for mid-terms. And, I would be totally out of character for you to come up with any original thought without marching orders from Carville.
KL