Liberty University bans campus Democratic club
From the Lynchberg (Va.) News and Advance:
Liberty University has revoked its recognition of the campus Democratic Party club, saying “we are unable to lend support to a club whose parent organization stands against the moral principles held by” the university.
“It kind of happened out of nowhere,” said Brian Diaz, president of LU’s student Democratic Party organization, which LU formally recognized in October.
Diaz said he was notified of the school’s decision May 15 in an e-mail from Mark Hine, vice president of student affairs.
According to the e-mail, the club must stop using the university’s name, holding meetings on campus, or advertising events. Violators could incur one or more reprimands under the school’s Liberty Way conduct code, and anyone who accumulates 30 reprimands is subject to expulsion.
Hine said late Thursday that the university could not sanction an official club that supported Democratic candidates.
“We are in no way attempting to stifle free speech.”
Legally, Liberty University is well within its rights. Politically and otherwise, it’s a sad decision. It’s less about freedom of speech than freedom of conscience, and it blatantly reinforces the link between the Republican Party and the conservative evangelicals. The old-time Baptists who fought so hard against mixing church and state business are probably rolling over in their graves.
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Bosch
May 24th, 2009
7:12 pm
Kamchak,
They are all good. They tease each other in the living room during games, but they don’t “yeah, your team sucks” for they are wise enough to know that their team could just as easily suck the following year. It’s all about the game for the Bosch clan.
getalife
May 24th, 2009
7:13 pm
Whatever mike.
They got punked.
mike
May 24th, 2009
7:17 pm
Bosch –
“When I type “hehehehehe” in front of something it is not meant as mockery, it is meant that what follows is an attempt at humor.”
Hmmm. So you indicated that you were about to present humor, then went into a description of fundamentalist Christian’s views of heaven which you claim are accurate based on your experience with them. That isn’t mockery?
I am a huge fan of the bacon sandwich myself, but I really don’t have any questions about your own faith.
SOMALIDAWG
May 24th, 2009
7:20 pm
هم برابرند، همه دارای اندیشه و وجدان hehehehehe who is??/
I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(
May 24th, 2009
7:20 pm
Ridge and Powell are simple minded psychotics-
1) If you want such a “big tent” for the Republican party, why are they attacking other Republicans, duh.
2) They have been swept up in the media’s idiotic and childish fatwa against Limbaugh and Cheney, a fatwa issued because Limbaugh and Cheney are kicking the democrat’s as-s up and down the street, relentlessly, without mercy, and it is a fatwa meant to excite the moonbats hopelessly mired in the fever swamps, so what does that make them?
3) Who TF are Powell and Ridge? Last time I checked, one of them was sucking up to Obozo like a Hoover Wind Tunnel. Call me old fashioned but Obozo is a squish, holeshot socialist if there ever was one. Which part of the Republican party platform do these two klowns not understand? They wouldn’t know Reagan if they fell over him.
4) What is McCain but the Ridge and Powell super aisle reacher? What these two dullards want is all that McCain has going for him. Need I remind you how they stabbed him in the back?
If this is not some democrat party ploy, then these guys are stooges, mentally retarded stooges.
You can have them, oh wait, that’s right, you already do.
mike
May 24th, 2009
7:23 pm
Whiner –
Oh please. McCain, Ridge and Powell are all war heroes and dedicated public servants. Slandering them because they don’t hew to your narrow views is pathetic.
getalife
May 24th, 2009
7:28 pm
Pathetic indeed.
Andy chose chicken hawks over a General on Memorial Day.
mike
May 24th, 2009
7:30 pm
getalife –
“Andy chose chicken hawks over a General on Memorial Day”
Is Obama a chicken hawk too?
I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(
May 24th, 2009
7:32 pm
Mikey- Squishes like McCain, Ridge and Powell gave rise to Obozo and socialism. In case you haven’t checked for yourself lately, he is in the process of destroying this country in it’s entirety. I am supposed to overlook this travesty because the self proclaimed moderate geniuses wore my country’s uniform? Using your simple logic, isn’t defending the United States the most honorable thing you can do?
When do I get my medal?
getalife
May 24th, 2009
7:33 pm
mike,
He was too young to cut and run from Vietnam like Andy’s losers.
Bosch
May 24th, 2009
7:34 pm
mike,
No, it wasn’t meant as mockery – sorry if you took it that way. That post earlier today was in response to your question about Christian leaders leaving the Union. It was an attempt at humor. I don’t mock what fundamentalist Christians believe, because I have very close family members (my mom included) who believe just that.
I find humor in my own religious ceremony. In my church (I’m Episcopalian) there is this song we sing in church about eating flesh and drinking blood – and everytime I hear that tune, I think, “Ewwww, when did we become cannibals?” I don’t believe it be literal, I just find it humorous.
Finding humor in something does not mean you are mocking it. Believe me, I laugh at myself all the time as I find many times when that is simply the best policy. I’m not mocking myself, I’m just laughing at it.
Bosch
May 24th, 2009
7:34 pm
mike,
Oh, and right on with your 7:23 post.
Bosch
May 24th, 2009
7:36 pm
mike,
Hit the post button too soon. Colin Powell is one of my heroes. When I heard Dick say that (and yes, I’ll say it – Dick’s a dick) about how he thought Powell had already left the party, I was sickened.
Bosch
May 24th, 2009
7:37 pm
Andy,
Colin Powell has defended our nation – much more honorably than Dick Cheney.
I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(
May 24th, 2009
7:40 pm
Bosch- Is Obozo destroying the same nation that Powell defended or not?
mike
May 24th, 2009
7:41 pm
getalife –
“He was too young to cut and run from Vietnam like Andy’s losers.”
Well, the general definition of chicken hawk is not specific to Viet Nam. Even if it was, Biden would have “cut and run” from Viet Nam, as he had as many deferments as Cheney.
Chicken hawk is a slander meaning that one supports war, but never served. Obama was a strong supporter of the Afghan War but never served. Hence, he would be a chicken hawk if anyone is.
Bosch
May 24th, 2009
7:43 pm
Andy,
No, he’s not. He’s repairing it after Bush and Cheney were let loose to destroy it. Powell defended this nation during Vietnam, and continues to do so now with honor.
I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(
May 24th, 2009
7:46 pm
Bosch- What specifically does cap and trade mean?
getalife
May 24th, 2009
7:46 pm
Whatever again mike.
They dodged the draft and act tough.
Losers.
mike
May 24th, 2009
7:48 pm
Whiner –
“Using your simple logic, isn’t defending the United States the most honorable thing you can do? When do I get my medal?’
Logic doesn’t get any simpler than yours.
Well, you might get a medal if you get shot down in a war and get held as a POW for years and turn down opportunities to go home to keep the “first in, first out” code.
Or you might get a medal if you are wounded in a foreign war and later lead the most overwhelming victory in American military history.
Or you might perform in a foreign war and perform with such valor that you get a Bronze Star.
They don’t give out medals for calling people names on blogs. When they do, I’ll be the first to nominate you.
mike
May 24th, 2009
7:49 pm
getalife –
“Whatever again mike.”
Nice response. LOL.
Look, it is clear that you have one standard of behavior for those politicians who share your views and another for those who don’t. Lame. Your code of morality takes a back seat to your partisanship.
mike
May 24th, 2009
7:51 pm
Bosch –
“He’s repairing it after Bush and Cheney were let loose to destroy it.”
Come on now. Powell was right there with the decision to invade Iraq, build Gitmo and waterboard.
Bosch
May 24th, 2009
7:52 pm
Andy,
Well, cap and trade? How perfectly random. I don’t know to tell you the truth.
I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(
May 24th, 2009
7:54 pm
mikey- I already have several medals from the army, answer the question.
Bosch- I knew that already.
mike
May 24th, 2009
7:54 pm
Sometimes a think getalife and Whiner are one person with a split personality.
Bosch
May 24th, 2009
7:55 pm
mike,
Yes, I know. And for many years I could not see how he could look at himself in the mirror, good men make mistakes and are willing to admit, which Powell has all but said. It takes a man of honor to admit his mistakes – I think Powell has demonstrated that. Don’t ask for specifics right now as I’ve just finished my second Heineken.
mike
May 24th, 2009
7:55 pm
Whiner –
I did answer your question. You asked when you would get a medal for calling people names on a blog and I told you that when they start issuing them, I will recommend you.
Bosch
May 24th, 2009
7:57 pm
Andy,
Then why ask? And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China or anything else we are discussing? So, without googling, what is the price of tea in China these days, and what does that have to do with Colin Powell? Does he drink Chinese tea? Does he drink tea at all? Huh Andy?
Bosch
May 24th, 2009
7:58 pm
mike,
Nope. Getalife is much more than that. He will admit when the Dems are stupid. Andy won’t admit when the GOP is stupid.
RW-(the original)
May 24th, 2009
7:59 pm
Bosch,
I was pretty shocked to hear that Powell still considers himself a Republican too and I sure can’t see how thinking that would sicken anyone. Consider that the Republican nominee was one of his fellow moderates and a fellow war hero to boot. He didn’t just choose to withhold support, he publicly endorsed and campaigned for McCain’s opponent.
How big can Powell’s Republican “big tent” be if it has no room for McCain? It surely can’t have room for social conservatives, pro lifers or the religious right. Considering his continued support for Obamanomics his tent can’t even have room for fiscal conservatives. Why would anybody think he considers himself a Republican?
It kind of seems to me like the same thing as Zell Miller still considering himself a Democrat. He might, but nobody else does.
mike
May 24th, 2009
7:59 pm
Bosch –
I don’t think that Powell has claimed that Gitmo and waterboarding were mistakes. Just today he said:
“But over time, now that we look at it, it’s easy now in the cold light of day to look back and say, you shouldn’t have done any of that. But as Mr. Cheney has said very, very often, as has President Bush and all of us, if we had another attack like 9/11, say on 9/11 a year later, nobody would have forgiven us for not doing everything we could.”
mike
May 24th, 2009
8:01 pm
Bosch –
“Getalife is much more than that. He will admit when the Dems are stupid. Andy won’t admit when the GOP is stupid.”
I don’t know about that. getalife responds to every time he is proven wrong with “whatever” and Whiner is bashing Republicans right above. I stand by my original statement
Bosch
May 24th, 2009
8:07 pm
RW,
OMG, Powell voted for who he thought would be the best leader of the United States! How absolutely crazy of him.
mike,
And I think that statement is fairly accurate. At the time, and a few years afterwards, many people would agree with what we did. Now, when we do have time to step back and think, “Whoa, Nelly, wait a minute” and actually look at some of the evidence surrounding those interrogations and what they accomplished, or what they didn’t accomplish, we have a different perspective. I’m not arguing that we weren’t reacting on fear back on those years.
I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(
May 24th, 2009
8:08 pm
mikey- OK, let me simplify the question so that you won’t have such a hard time understanding it- You laud McCain, Ridge and Powell for defending the country but yet they want to reach up to Obozo who is destroying it. What is more important, the country or the people who defended it?
Bosch- People like you are the biggest danger to the United States that this country has ever faced. Don’t be disheartened by that, there are a lot of you. Politicians can now say one thing, making you feel happy and delighted inside, but then they do something totally different. You blabber on in your ignorance with out checking the first fact, sorry to be so blunt. Your first clue, the most obvious one at that, why do democrats have to create phrases and names for every idea they have, are they afraid of people learning the truth? You are an example of that. Jim Jones, Pol Pot, Hitler all did the same exact thing.
Bosch
May 24th, 2009
8:09 pm
RW,
Forgot.
“Consider that the Republican nominee was one of his fellow moderates and a fellow war hero to boot. He didn’t just choose to withhold support, he publicly endorsed and campaigned for McCain’s opponent”
Which again, makes me think he really thought about the two candidates, and decided which one he thought would/could do the better job. I have good friends too, but if they ran for POTUS, I wouldn’t necessarily back them.
getalife
May 24th, 2009
8:09 pm
mike,
Again, I don’t support the two corrupt parties.
Andy is a con hack.
There is a huge difference, don’t ya think?
Bosch
May 24th, 2009
8:10 pm
Andy,
Never fear – I’m am in no way, shape, form, or fashion ever disheartened for one second what you think of me.
mike
May 24th, 2009
8:16 pm
getalife –
Actually Whiner is bashing three Republicans right here. I’ve never seen you do anything but make silly statements like accusing Bush of starting the Iraq War with the explicit purpose of genocide.
You guys are equally silly.
RW-(the original)
May 24th, 2009
8:18 pm
Bosch,
I’m not disputing that Powell looked at who he thought would have better policies for the country as he envisioned it, but I am saying that if he’s truly a moderate Republican it would be awfully hard for him to objectively come to that conclusion when the Republican party was running a candidate that exactly matches the ideals he says he wants in a Republican candidate.
From my standpoint as a fairly staunch conservative I think Obama was the better choice too, but my rationale is that Obama will mess things up so badly that America will come to it’s senses and turn back to conservatism while McCain would have messed things up so bad we would go even further left than Obama and make believe that McCain had been a conservative.
mike
May 24th, 2009
8:19 pm
Whiner –
” OK, let me simplify the question so that you won’t have such a hard time understanding it- You laud McCain, Ridge and Powell for defending the country but yet they want to reach up to Obozo who is destroying it. What is more important, the country or the people who defended it?”
Please. Your arguments are all too easy to understand.
First of all, McCain, Ridge and Powell deserve to be lauded. They are genuine war heroes and public servants.
Second, your belief that Obama is trying to destroy the country is as warped as those who made the same claim about Bush. Just because you feel that way doesn’t make it a fact.
getalife
May 24th, 2009
8:25 pm
I doubt we will ever find the truth for the reason of the Iraqi occupation.
Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were killed that never attacked us or were a threat..
Call it what you like mike.
RW-(the original)
May 24th, 2009
8:30 pm
mike,
There’s a rather large distinction between someone saying “Obama is destroying the country” and your changing it to “trying to destroy the country.”
The word “trying” makes your argument into a strawman in this case because you inject motive into Andy’s assertion where motive didn’t exist in the question he posed to you and that you quoted back to him.
Bosch
May 24th, 2009
8:31 pm
RW,
Let’s be real. The U.S. was ALREADY messed up so badly, that when either man stepped into the job, ther was a huge mess on the plate. I don’t think Obama will win a second term – and not because I think he’s not doing a good job, but I don’t think people will think the country is “fixed enough.” McCain ran a horrible campaign which speaks volumes as to his leadership abilities. I think a majority of Americans are sick of federal spending which, again, neither candidate is gonna hold back, but at least Obama is trying to spend money to “fix” things instead of expanding things – which I think is good. I don’t agree with everything he is doing, but he’s in an unimaginable and impossible situation, and I don’t think he’ll be here after four years. But the good in all this is that I think people are finally waking up and demanding a manageable government – and I think Obama is sensitive to that. The money that was approved at the beginning of his term was very hard for anyone to get their head around, and all I can hope for is that it will work to get things going in the right direction, and again, I think people are so shocked by all this, they will start to demand a government that acts responsibly. I think Obama’s term is one of transition. One can dream, right? And I’ve just finished my third Heineken.
Bosch
May 24th, 2009
8:36 pm
Oh, the best movie of all cinematic history is on right now: Star Wars! Let’s get the light sabers and popcorn, and more Heineken ready!!!!
I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(
May 24th, 2009
8:38 pm
Second, your belief that Obama is trying to destroy the country is as warped as those who made the same claim about Bush. Just because you feel that way doesn’t make it a fact.
Silly, eh?
Watch, everybody, as I cream this little punk.
Cutting back emissions by 17% or even 14% will raise the cost of energy and lower productivity. The technological advances that we have seen emerge from this country the last two hundred years will suffer as a direct result. Our standard of living is under a direct assault by the left. They say it to our faces. They do not hide their intentions. Do you agree that the founding fathers of this country were in favor of such tactics by the government they created?
Obozo raised fuel standards for automobiles that can only be achieved by producing smaller and lighter vehicles. Unquestionably, more people will die as a result of auto accidents because of this idiot decision than would ever die from “global warming,” which many scientists believe would save lives by reducing deaths from cold weather. Are you on board with this genocide? Don’t dismiss me, moron, for once prove me wrong.
Obozo is selling off a United States industry to one of his voting constituencies. Which part of the US Constitution makes provisions for this?
In modern usage, a tyrant carries modern connotations of a harsh and cruel ruler who places his or her own interests or the interests of a small oligarchy over the best interests of the general population which the tyrant governs or controls.
How many years of bailouts do you think GM and Chrysler will need, now that the inmates of the asylum run them? Do you think they will all of a sudden find profitability? Who’s going to pay for this? Is an overwhelming, inconceivable federal deficit good for the United States of America? Will it not destroy our future generations?
(Will this punk run or will he debate?)
Run, mikey, run.
RW-(the original)
May 24th, 2009
8:39 pm
Bosch,
I strongly disagree that Obama is spending to fix things rather than to expand them. I also think it’s highly unlikely that he won’t win reelection, but it’s very likely he’ll have to govern with a Republican Congress in his second term.
I also say a prayer for his continued good health every single day that Joe Biden is next in line.
Linville
May 24th, 2009
8:41 pm
Interesting stuff going on while I was (unfortunately) working.
I’m another conservative who believes Obama was the right choice, but for a different reason than RW. We were in a deep economic crisis. Listening to the anger that McCain brought to every speech made me believe that he could not unite the people to turn the economy. I believed Obama could–and his popularity here and in the rest of the world seems to bear that out.
It’s funny, right after the election McCain returned to his normal personality. But during the campaign he was so tense and angry that I had to question what HE would do if he got that 3:00 AM phone call that Hillary loved to talk about.
Linville
May 24th, 2009
8:42 pm
…and wouldn’t we be having some interesting conversations if the Dems had nominated Hillary! Odds are that she’d have won.
I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(
May 24th, 2009
8:43 pm
By the way, mikey, answer the question- Which is more important, the country or the people that defended it?
RW-(the original)
May 24th, 2009
8:52 pm
Linville,
McCain seemed out of place when campaigning because he was trying to pretend he was a conservative, but we’ve seen others that change completely and then return to normal after they lose. Bob Dole comes to mind and I often wonder if things might not have been different if he had let his sense of humor come through when campaigning. He also needed to ditch that weird third person thing and I suspect it would have just been a closer election that he still lost.
clyde
May 24th, 2009
8:54 pm
I would have voted for Hillary instead of McCain if she had won the nomination.Nothing would make me vote for Obama.
@@
May 24th, 2009
8:55 pm
Dusty:
My post around 3:00 also disappeared.
There was a time when I would have found it frustrating. Now I just find it to be par for the course.
Couldn’t post but took a moment to read. Then I run across this from Bosch:
That will make for a very boring blog. and thought…
does this guy have a clue as to how boring HE is?
Reading him is like watching the same movie over and over.
It’s like watching somebody sort their sock drawer.
Like watching mold grow.
Like watch……..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(
May 24th, 2009
8:56 pm
The current “president” of the United States is taking my federal tax dollars and using it to fund his political party’s vote driving activities. I’m sorry, what part of the US Constitution allows for this undertaking? Matter of fact, I’m pretty sure it’s against the law.
Oh wait, just change the name, we’ll call it “community organizing” and all the liberals just bleat with excitement.
Problem “solved.”
Linville
May 24th, 2009
8:58 pm
Clyde, I gotta wonder how somebody could vote Hillary but not Obama. Hillary is baggage carrying baggage. What would make you vote McCain against Obama, Hillary against McCain?
RW–Agree on Dole.
Bosch
May 24th, 2009
8:58 pm
RW,
And amen to what you said about Joe Biden. I like the guy, but no way to him being the leader of the free world – and with that, I bid you all adieu for the evening. I’m off to watch the cinematic masterpiece known as Star Wars! Happy Memorial Day!
clyde
May 24th, 2009
9:03 pm
I have a feeling that Hillary Clinton is a lot more conservative in her thinking than people would like to admit.Obama certainly isn’t.McCain is a moderate.I don’t believe there’s much difference between him and Hillary.Keep in mind that Hillary campaigned for Goldwater in her younger days.
TnGelding
May 24th, 2009
9:05 pm
I Rule You
/ You Whine 
May 24th, 2009
8:55 am
The Dick isn’t man enough to shine General Powell’s shoes.
Why would heathens be attending a bible college?
getalife
May 24th, 2009
9:11 pm
“Goldwater is remembered for saying, in his speech accepting the Republican nomination for president in 1964, “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice … and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.”
I doubt Hillary would cover up torture after they impeached her husband for lying about a bj.
Bosch
May 24th, 2009
9:20 pm
mike,
Oh, and just so we’re straight, when I type “teehehehehehe” in front of something I’m mocking you, when I type just “hehehe” it’s all in good fun.
Linville
May 24th, 2009
9:34 pm
Clyde,
Hillary is the perfect choice to polarize the country.
I don’t agree that she’s so moderate. Remember, her goal in hubby’s administration was to nationalize medecine.
On the other hand I don’t think Obama is as left wing as people think. Liberals seem pretty disappointed with some of the decisions he’s made–on don’t ask-don’t tell, torture pictures, etc. He seems to want to govern from the center.
By the way, I don’t think Hillary or any other candidate would have pressed criminal charges against a former pres or vp. The precedent it would set is too scary for any of them to face–rule the country for a few years, make a mistake or two, and get hit with one of our “independent inquiries” that can only end in misery. The Bush administration made some bad mistakes. We just have to fix them. Let’s not set a precedent of inquisitions on past administrations.
Linville
May 24th, 2009
9:41 pm
is it just my PC or does the software behind this blog act strange? I make a post, it appears, I hit refresh a few minutes later and the refresh takes me BACKWARDS, my post no longer appears. If I refresh a few minutes later everything comes back.
RW-(the original)
May 24th, 2009
9:52 pm
Linville,
It’s just you. The blog works fine for everybody else.
J/K The AJC is apparently still operating their blogs out of spare parts from Techno Buddy’s basement and it does what you just described to everybody.
Linville
May 24th, 2009
9:53 pm
Thanks. Was thinking I was a techno-tard.
Bud Wiser
May 24th, 2009
10:05 pm
I never thought I’d say this….
I wish it would quit raining.
TnGelding
May 24th, 2009
10:10 pm
Linville
May 24th, 2009
9:34 pm
Hillary wanted everyone to have private health insurance coverage, with those unable to get it being covered by the government. In the end her plan was just too complicated for most of us to understand, and it did have cost controls, which boils down to limited access. The Republicans, along with the industry lobbyists, killed it by successfully mislabeling it socialized medicine. If Rosty hadn’t been forced to give up his chairmanship of the Ways and Means Committee he might have been able to push something through the House.
getalife
May 24th, 2009
9:11 pm
Since they can’t/won’t get Bush/Cheney, I’m for sweeping it under the rug. Pardon everyone and move on. There is important work to be done and the criminals will suffer in their own shallow worlds. Bush is going to be the loneliest man in America. I don’t know if Cheney is trying to take control of the GOP or influence the jury pool.
TnGelding
May 24th, 2009
10:17 pm
Bud Wiser
May 24th, 2009
10:05 pm
Bummer of a long weekend. Maybe the sun will come out long enough tomorrow to honor the dead. May they rest in peace, and forgive us for abandoning them to the war mongers and sacrificing them to the war gods.
Cindy isn’t looking forward to it:
http://cindysheehanssoapbox.blogspot.com/2009/05/day-of-dead-may-25-2009-by-cindy.html
Linville
May 24th, 2009
10:31 pm
TnG,
Hillary was going for step one. Obama will do the same thing. Check out Krauthammer’s description of the process (it’s down in the article)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/26/AR2009022602908.html
The difference is that Obama is smart enough to co-opt the health care industry instead of alienating them. He’ll probably win.
Bosch
May 24th, 2009
10:33 pm
“I’m Luke Skywalker and I’m here to rescue you.” Albeit lame by today’s standards, the best delivered line in all of cinematic history.
And let’s not even get started in a character analysis of Han Solo.
RW-(the original)
May 24th, 2009
10:41 pm
Bosch,
That’s not even close to the best line ever. I’ll go with Charles Durling as the Texas governor in Best Little Whorehouse in Texas when he got a question about the middle east. He said, “the Jews and the Arabs should get together and settle their differences in a Christian manner.”
getalife
May 24th, 2009
10:45 pm
“I’m for sweeping it under the rug.”
They will but I am for the rule of law and nobody is above the law.
The good ole days but those days are over.
It sickens me when the new AG said those words and then does nothing.
It corrupts the justice system.
RW-(the original)
May 24th, 2009
10:58 pm
Dangit! I hit another magic word apparently, but it really is the name of the movie/musical where they deliver a much better line than the Star Wars one.
Linville
May 24th, 2009
11:13 pm
getalife,
Excuse me, but where in the “rule of law” do you find an excuse to prosecute a president for acts taken in time of war? He had Congressional approval for both Afganhistan and Iraq and he executed the plans as he thought was best for the country.
Misguided acts, yes. But are you willing to hold JFK to the same standards? He sent soldiers who murdered innocent civilians to Vietnam?
getalife
May 24th, 2009
11:20 pm
Linville ,
Talking about torture .
AmVet
May 25th, 2009
12:24 am
Many years ago I had the privilege of working for Amar Bose. An indisputable genius and the son of a political dissident who immigrated from Calcutta.
He said that there are very few institutions left in this country that have great expectations of excellence. Two he listed were higher education and professional sports.
His point was that in the free market place of ideas, universities are really the last bastion of “thinking outside the box”. With demonstrable results and a longstanding track record of excellence.
Certainly not in government does this happen. Nor generally in business.
The controlling interests therein are simply too entrenched and much too self-serving. And are usually dominated by men who are just not forward thinking, much less visionaries, but who often times reactionaries.
And organized religion has of course, an abysmal record of being the antithesis to the proposition of mankind’s continued growth and progress. Which explains why their power and control over humanity is constantly diminishing. Which is wonderful news for our future.
So the right wing foot-draggers and science-averse deniers constantly find new excuses to blame those they disagree with and with whom they cannot compete intellectually. On a vast array of topics and pressing challenges.
And to Dr. Bose’s point, they seem incapable of expecting excellence…
Casey
May 25th, 2009
2:18 am
As much as I absolutely hate Liberty University’s decision, it is a private institution. I don’t know federal law on this issue, but I’m guessing that they have discretion when it comes to the clubs they sponsor. What’s the issue here?
Pro tip – you don’t need an evangelical Baptist college’s sponsorship to start a club.
TnGelding
May 25th, 2009
4:04 am
getalife
May 24th, 2009
10:45 pm
The justice system, like everything else in this country, is nothing but an industry. It’s more about everyone getting paid than it is about justice.
Who killed nuclear energy?
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/spring01/nuclear_power.html
Linville
May 24th, 2009
11:13 pm
It was LBJ that sent the soldiers to Vietnam. JFK increased the number of “advisors”, but I’ve got to believe he would have never escalated the carnage the way Johnson did.
William H. in Lithonia
May 25th, 2009
4:30 am
I went to http://WWW.VAYD.ORG and signed the petition in protest of ‘Liberty’ universities decision. They get Federal Funds, don’t they oppose taxes too? Oh yea, just more hypocritical republicans. Federal Funds should not go to institutions that are promoting a religious agenda. If you want to go learn the lies of religion that’s your business but religions have been proven to be amongst the worst lyers and murderers in history.
Bud Wiser
May 25th, 2009
5:37 am
Just what we need.
Another atheist and/or Christian hater.
Why don’t you folks take your hate speech elsewhere and try to FOCUS (I know that is a virtual impossibility for liberals) on just one subject, JUST ONE, for longer than .3 nanoseconds, before launching into your personal diatribes about which no one here gives a whit.
Bud Wiser
May 25th, 2009
5:38 am
Oh, and learn how to use ’spell check’ while you’re at it.
Morons.
I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(
May 25th, 2009
6:55 am
The White House issued a statement today on behalf of President Barack Obozo’s TelePrompter regarding the urgent situation in North Korea. The “president” calls the situation on the Korean peninsula a matter of “grave concern.”
What he should do is drop the “concerns” and put about 100,000 North Korean soldiers into their “graves.”
What, are we waiting for them to get really good at building bombs?
Jay rules Andy
May 25th, 2009
7:03 am
“Christian hating robots” … thats rich….
I for one love christians, are there any around here? All I see is a bunch of fools screaming about how christian you are.
A true christian would see 2 wrongs don’t make a right, you (Bookman’s wingbutternut trolls) are all here screaming “more wrongs make us more right”, how un-christ like…
ewwwwwwwwwwwwww and ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Jay rules Andy
May 25th, 2009
7:08 am
“The Dick isn’t man enough to shine General Powell’s shoes.”
priceless…
Actually I don’t think he could bend down that far because of that “bad knee”, remember that’s why he deferred on Vietnam… Oh wait that was Rush, no maybe it was Saxby… Gosh I just can’t keep my chickenhawks and thier excuses straight anymore…
I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(
May 25th, 2009
7:19 am
Enter your comments here
I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(
May 25th, 2009
7:34 am
Telescope mission ‘a total success’ Atlantis, crew land in Calif. after Hubble mission-Urinal/ Spendaholics Anonymous
Hehehehehehehehehe-
The dispute has created a rift between Leckrone and the head of space science at NASA, Edward Weiler. The two scientists have devoted much of their long NASA careers to the Hubble — they hugged after the successful shuttle launch last week in Florida — but Weiler, from his perch at agency headquarters, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~has a dim view of sending astronauts to fix things in space.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
“Servicing was great on Hubble, but it cost a few bucks,” Weiler said. “The Hubble program has cost about $10 billion.”-WaPo
Yeah, no kidding, they tossed off another billion to put a bandaid on a jalopy, they could have built a new and better one and been done with it.
Too busy lying about global temperatures to think?
Jay rules Andy
May 25th, 2009
7:39 am
Yeah… who needs science anyway… that money could’ve been better spent on “abstinence only” programs…
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Taxpayer
May 25th, 2009
7:41 am
These GOPers and their conspiracy theories. To them, everyone in the universe is out to get them except for the 20 percent (or less) who are of like mind — mush. Poor things. You’re all doomed. DOOMED. The end is nigh. Hide under your beds. Well, actually you are doomed. You have Cheney and Limbaugh and Gingrich as your party’s new old white duds. Your leaders. Such losers. Yes. You’re DOOMED.
Red Foreman
May 25th, 2009
7:43 am
HAHAHAA
Da Libtards will be calling Presbo da Clown to save the day…
Yes Jay, you are a hack…and a TARD>>>
Jay rules Andy
May 25th, 2009
8:16 am
Nope. Obama hasn’t done a thing for me as a citizen and as a small business owner. Therefore I will not be calling him for anything, much less to “save my day”.
The scariest thing to me was that Obama was the best choice in 2008.
Wingbutternuts seem to miss that siple fact and try to lump us all together with Acorn and Nancy Pelosi.
Had the GOP put someone up there with McCain that wasn’t an extremist, hypocritical nutball with NO ideas, they would probably be enjoying the whining of defeated Democrats, rather than enduring the gloating of the victorious Super Majority.
DB, Gwinnettian
May 25th, 2009
8:57 am
Sometimes Whiner’s complete lack of depth and inability to behave appropriately surprises even me.
N.J,
May 25th, 2009
4:43 pm
Difference is, that Obama is spending taxpayers money, here in America, on taxpayers largely, while Bush was spending much more overseas, in Iraq, for the benefit of companies in ways that will barely effect the stanrdard of livings of Americans in America.
Fact is that any small business owner who says Obama has done nothing to help them is basically either lying, or too ignorant to notice that their taxes have gone down.
The price of oil will remain suppressed as long as the economy is contracting and will start to slowly rise as the economy starts exiting a recession. Because demand for oil rises as more of it is used.
marie
May 25th, 2009
9:24 pm
LIBERTY University. Falwell (God rest his soul) and his ilk have done more to hurt the evangelical Christian cause than the Muslim community. I have been labeled as being a member of the abortion party because I am a Democrat. Should I move over to the right and become a member of the war and tortue party?
N.J.
May 25th, 2009
10:12 pm
I love listening to all this ranting about Obama’s government spending, but the countries and citizens of countries that are seeing almost NO effect from the current world economic recession are of course those that have the largest public sectors and the most government spending:
France’s Oft-Derided Largess Insulates Many From Slump
MENTON, France — In recent years, Jean Beaufranqui and his wife have spent most of their time in Menton, enjoying the sunshine and gentle Mediterranean breezes that have made this little town into a retirement haven, France’s version of Miami Beach.
And now, even as the world reels from its most painful economic crisis since the 1930s, Beaufranqui’s thoughts have turned not to budget cuts but to buying an apartment here and settling in full time. As a retiree — he stopped working almost 19 years ago, at the standard age of 60 — the former metallurgist has sailed smoothly through the economic storm as the French government regularly deposited his monthly pension payments.
“Not really,” he responded when asked whether the financial crisis had affected his standard of living, a question that seemed to interest him less than the petanque bowling tournament he was watching from a park bench beside the beach.
For Beaufranqui and millions of other French people dependent on tax-financed largess, this country’s cozy social protections, vast numbers of bureaucrats and unhesitating government intervention have proved to be a shelter from want. Denounced for decades as a millstone preventing growth and competitiveness, particularly by free-market advocates in the United States, the French government’s dominant role in economic activity has suddenly found new favor at home and grudging respect abroad.
The crisis has landed hard in France, just as it has elsewhere. European Union specialists estimated last week that the number of unemployed is likely to rise to more than 3 million by next year as factories close. But the French economy is expected to shrink by just 3 percent, markedly less than in Britain or Italy, largely because of the country’s traditionally high level of government spending, they added.
More significant in human terms, broad sectors of the population — bureaucrats, retirees, teachers and the millions of others whose livelihood depends directly or indirectly on public outlays — find themselves surrounded by a government cushion. The effects are easy to see: As the crisis grew and began to obsess French officialdom in Paris, for instance, Alpine ski resorts reported full bookings for the winter and spring seasons…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/24/AR2009052402042.html?hpid=moreheadlines
This is repeated almost worldwide. The nations that have traditionally had very high levels of government spending, more towards the social spending end than the defense end are seeing far less of an effect from the current economic downturn
Toby
May 26th, 2009
7:26 am
I don’t care if LU endorses burning witches at the stake or any of their other strongly held conservative religious values. What I do care about is that they hold tax exempt status. With this move, they have clearly left the domain of educational institution and have become a defacto political action committee for the GOP. Enough! Their tax exempt status must be withdrawn.
Burr Deming
May 27th, 2009
12:05 am
The entire controversy reminds me of the one time sportscaster of British football Ron Atkinson. Liberty’s name is an unintended irony.
N.J.
May 27th, 2009
12:31 am
Yes, pull their tax exempt status for their politically oriented behavior. Back in the 2004 election, a Republican leaning group of Catholics attempted to use churches to distribute pamplets and other literature supporting Republican candidates all across the United States, and the church lawyers slammed the lid on that one, because they asserted that those actions could lose to the church losing its tax exempt status. At one point the Bush Administration had the IRS pull the tax exempt status of a small church where the minister supported the Democratic platform from the pulpit, so there is a precedent for doing so in this case.
N.J.
May 27th, 2009
1:01 am
Hell, neither Al Qaeda or most other fundamentalist Muslim groups would not have existed without being backed and funded, first by MI-6 and then the CIA (according to ex CIA agent, Miles Copeland)
Because most of the secular regimes in the Middle East, the largest being Egypt under Gamal Nasser, were mildly socialist and there fore aligned themselves with the Soviet Union, these two groups started looking for a charismatic Muslim leader who could stir up religious Muslim against the secular rulers in the Middle East as well as foment rebellion in the Muslim Central Asian Republics of the Soviet Union.
When they could not find a single figure to accomplish this, they looked towards the Muslim Brotherhood, expecially after they used religious extremists in Iran to overthrow the democratically elected head of Iran, Mossedegh, they decided to back the Muslim Brotherhood, which originated in Egypt but had branches in every one of the secular states of the Middle East, and the links between the fanatical Muslim Brotherhood started in 1956, with Eisenhower meeting the head of the Egyptian Branch at the White House.
By 1972, the CIA had forged links in Afghanistan by founding the Asia League which funded leaders of the Islamist movement at Kabul University,including Rabbani Sayyaf and Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, two Afghans who would cultivate ties with Osama bin Laden. By 1973 the CIA partners with Iranian and Pakistani intelligence to run raids against the secular and Pro Soviet Afghani President Sardar Daoud. This fails and is repeated in 1974 and 75.
In 1975 the CIA identifies members of the Muslim Brotherhood raising an insurgency against Daoud in Afghanistan, it fails and its leaders flee to Pakistan where they find support from the ISI, the Pakistani Security service, notoriously pro Islamic fundamentalist, which is already allied with the CIA.
The Blind Sheik, Omar Abdul Rahman, was a co founder of the Faisal Islamic Bank of Egypt, which was a front for money being tranfered to support the pro Islamic, anti secular/socialist government of Egypt and which also found recruits for the CIA’s anti communist insurgency in Afghanistan.
This goes right up until about 1999, when members of the Taliban go to Nebraska, where a CIA funded progagandist who produces childrens books for the international market produces textbooks for the Taliban stocked with Islamic propaganda and jihadist rhetoric for the State Departments educational programs in Afghanistan. This while Bin Laden is in Afghanistan, which is increasingly dependent on Bin Laden for economic support. While Bin Laden is assisting Afghanistan economically, the U.S. is also cooperating with the Taliban to resist various secular/socialist parties which are rising in popularity in Afghanistan.
From the mid 1950’s until just before 9/11 the United States was backing and funding Islamic extremists to block the rise of various nationalist secular groups that wanted to come to power in the Islamic world, and nationalize their resources as well as their pipelines from Central Asia to the Indian Ocean or Arabian Gulf areas.
For about 50 years, the Islamic Fundamentalists were basically cultivated by the United States as opposition groups to any secular government that tried to control its own national resources and assets rather than allow American businesses to suck large amounts of profit out of their nations.
Its not unusual that religious fundamentalists in the United States behave in this Taliban like sort of way. There is a long history of many American conservatives backing up religious fanatics in other countries in the belief that they would be able to control them
Kel
May 29th, 2009
10:14 am
I just read the LU did NOT ban the Democratic club from campus. For more information see the Op-ed and the recent article on the meeting with the Democratic club on Liberty University website.
Mike
June 12th, 2009
1:52 pm
Nice headline, except they didn’t ban them. Oh heck, who cares about facts at a blog anyway.
Nzntibci
June 22nd, 2009
8:56 am
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