Liberty University bans campus Democratic club

This is amusing. Bill Maher seems to think that it is liberals who are supressing free speech on campuses:

“I’m a free speech person. And I would say especially on campuses in the last 10 or 15 years, the repression of speech has come more from the left.”

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/05/24/maher-trashes-liberals-they-object-they-know-what-theyre-objecting

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Bosch

Live text courtesy of BBC Sport. Sunderland equali(s)zed six minutes later.

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Bosch –

“No, I don’t.”

Oh sure you do. You just told us about what fundamentalists think heaven will be like.

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Off topic….but I honestly cannot peg Redneck Convert.

I guess you could take him at face value, and say he’s just another confused Christian fundamentalist. But then he could be a liberal who has mastered the use of sarcasm. I prefer to see him as the latter, which would make him some kind of southern-fried genius, as opposed to the former, which would make him an ignorant, backwoods, bible-thumper.

Either way, keep ‘em coming. You get my vote for most entertaining blogger.

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The thing I’ve learned from reading all this is that we’re all equal but some view themselves as more equal than others because their views are superior.

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RW –

Fair enough, but I did say “most” not “all”.

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BDAtlanta–and Lush Bimbo, while not a subsidiary of the Repub party, is a subdivision (at least in size, or maybe a zip code) of that same party.

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mike,

I know you said “most” but that really indicts everyone and no one simultaneously.

Gotta run, have a great day everyone.

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Again, I gotta say that it is amusing that those who like to paint Christians as intolerant are pretty consistently the most intolerant people on this blog.

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Hillbilly@ 12:34 You forgot to mention which school they attended also!

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Bosch, I believe that colleges that violate the EEOC rules ARE subject to losing federal aid for their students. Likewise, colleges that are unaccredited cannot have students receiving federal aid (see local example). I think Oral Roberts U is not considered a college available for students on federal aid, for example. Liberty has been skirting by for some time. While the aid does follow the student, the student cannot take it to Uncle Buddy’s Truck Driving School, for example. There are certain minimum legal standards.

I have been on college campuses pursuing degrees over the years where the Gay/Lesbian groups’ right to meet have been debated, and legally the school is supposed to afford groups the same perks it offers other, more mainstream groups, such as YD or YR.

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Bosch

1-nil against Hull??? Did Sir Alex have the second team on the field?

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catlady,

Schools can fund whatever groups they want or deny that funding. What’s dangerous for a college/university to do is to elaborate on why they are not funding such a group – based on “moral” reasons instead of denying them on a lack of funds, or that the group is not viable or worth the cost, or goes against their mission statement. That opens up a case for EEOC standards to be challenged and makes them more vulnerable to expensive lawsuits. Like I mentioned earlier, if Liberty U stated that they weren’t funding that group because it wasn’t cost effective and not enough participation by students to keep it up and running, there intentions wouldn’t be questionable – especially a private school – they have more leeway in these situations.

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Bosch:

Hehehehe. Most fundamentalist Christian leaders do want to leave the Union and go to a place where the streets are lined with gold, angels sing on the street corners, and some guy named God sits on a throne on a gold throne somewhere.”

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or these

christo-fascists, Lunatic fringe…. Timothy McVeigh would have been so proud….This is just another example of the American Taliban (read far right
Christians)…. Hillary made the American taliban’s heads explode

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Bosch:

We disagree; fair enough.

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I’ve read this blog for a few years and have heard very little bad said about Redneck Convert until Mike came along.Just an observation.

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‘Again, I gotta say that it is amusing that those who like to paint Christians as intolerant are pretty consistently the most intolerant people on this blog.’
Pathetic. Unable to handle the return of serve, the rightwing mantra has become this.
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Drop back and regroup if you have to, but don’t cry about being outdone at your own game.
bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Pathetic.

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Do you suppose it is because socialists will not work and expect the government (we working taxpayers) to keep them up?

Unemployment 20% Higher in Democrat Strongholds

Unemployment in April remained 20 percent higher in states won by Democratic candidate Barack Obama in last fall’s presidential election than in states won by Republican candidate John McCain, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics released yesterday. Nationwide, the unemployment rate went from 8.5 percent in March to 8.9 percent in April. WND previously reported that if unemployment numbers in the states won by Obama do not begin improving soon, the Democratic Party may face the prospect of 2010 mid-term election losses in both governor races and in Congress. A national telephone survey conducted by Rasmussen Reports has found…

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=98951

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Why is evangelicals only associated with white republicans?
Isn’t the Revered Jerimiah Wright an evangelical?

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Fawell didn’t just take money from Moon’s “church.” Falwell traveled to Uruguay and spoke at an event promoting Moon’s youth gigging front group and appeared in support of Moon at other events also. Let me remind you that Moon claims Jesus was a failure who needed Moon to fulfill His mission and Moon now claims that Jesus serves his dead son in heaven. Moon claims his words are God’s.

Fawell’s buddy, Tim LaHaye, has also taken Moon’s money and promoted his “messianic” mission. It isn’t just that Fawell and LaHaye are/were partisan politically but that they do so under a cloak of religion. There associations with and promotion of Moon, clearly expose them as two of the most discernment-free “ministers” in history.

BTW, the money Moon uses to fund these “Christian” preachers – mostly comes from Japan, the primary source of Moon’s cash and where his “church” has been found guilty of swindling widows out of hundreds of millions, likely billions, of dollars. Find some details here: http://tinyurl.com/5aodgn

It isn’t just Falwell and LaHaye who take the old devil’s money, Moon has outspent anyone funding the right in America over the last 30 years. Billions. No one, no one has outspent him pushing and molding today’s conservative movement. No one, and the right moans about that piker Soros. What a bunch of uninformed hypocrites. Moon spent billions and he did so successfully bringing his “vision” of a right wing, theocratic, science-free, homophobic and authoritarian Republican Party/conservative movement into being.

Moon’s is the same organization that the first editor of the Washington Times said was working to subvert our political system and that anyone who takes his money and then claims it was OK because they were not proselytized doesn’t have a clue how they were being used and conned into helping Moon.

see him say it here http://tinyurl.com/pjrfwe

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Herm- Thank you for seeing that. As a private college, they can ban any one that they like, for any reason, but their hypocrisy in accepting “the devils money” is beyond the pale.

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On Memorial day weekend in the United States of America, two dunce liberals go to China to pay tribute to some cut throat communists, I’ve seen it all now-

Pelosi is scheduled to attend a clean energy forum in Beijing on Tuesday along with Senator John Kerry, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Other details of her itinerary were not immediately known.

Kerry on Sunday arrived in Xi’an, the capital of the northern province of Shaanxi, where he was holding official meetings and visiting the country’s famed Terracotta Warriors, Stevenson said.

What a couple of bozo’s.

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Whine too funny!!! ——-> Score one for the Dick.

You forgot to add head at the end of that sentence!!!

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Oh, and, for what it’s worth, nobody is a bigger socialist than Jesus.

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My 3:45 seems to have disppeared. Anyone understand why the bugs are still in this “system”, or is there…a conspiracy?

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It’s gremlin censors, catlady. They do it just for meanness.

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“Is there anyone out there who believes we SHOULDN’T stand up and fight the terrorists? If so let me know so I’ll know to skip past your posts.”

There is fighting dumb and then there is fighting smart. Of course fighting dumb relies of brute force, rather than the intelligent direct targeting of your the enemy, without destroying so many innocent people that you provide both a haven, and support for that enemy.

What we have done in Pakistan has virtually played into the hands of Al Qaeda and the Taliban. The form of Islam that is most widely practiced in Pakistan, is a very peacey, lovey sort or religion, because of the influences on it that came out of India…both Buddhism and Hinduism had a large role to play on the sort of Islam that developed in Pakistan. Pakistan has had its own “summer of love” similar to what happened in Haight Ashbury in the 1960’s, and it never really went away,

However a lot of people are getting pissed off as an economy that was growing, almost as fast as the one in India, has been almost completely destroyed by the American influence in that nation due to Afghanistan to the west of it. Pakistan’s homespun version of Islam is extremely different from the conservative and fundamentalist version that is practiced in Saudi Arabia, is extremely tolerant, involves a lot of music and dancing in its practice and as a result of the American presence in the region is losing a lot of traction as a lot of people start rethinking the Taliban and Al Qaeda assertions that the west has launched another crusade against Islam. The Taliban has been destroying the centuries old tombs and religious house of worship that have grown up around the places associated with Sufi mystic preachers.

In 2007, the Rand corporation recommended that the United States attempt to reach out and reinforce the moderate Sufism practiced in Pakistan as a foil against the religious conservatism of those who are essentially attempting to superimpose a very foreign form of Islam in Pakistan. The interpretation of the Talban and al Qaeda is as foreign to Pakistani Muslims as Christianity is to them. Even as the Taliban destroys the most sacred shrines of their religion, the Pakistanis do not rise up against them, but rather blame the United States for them even being in Pakistan to begin with.

Just as the United States was able to counter the Soviet nuclear aresenals with smaller and more accurate weaponry, the same idea applies to the use of less brute force in that region of the world. Dozens of times the United States has targetted sites and killed dozens or hundreds of innocent people attending weddings or religious functions, stating that intelligence said that Bin Laden or Ayman Al Zawahiri were going to be there. Problem is that given the religious practices of the Pakistanis, their rather tolerant and totally non austere practices, there is no way in hell that any member of the Taliban or Al Qaeda would be seen in such a place. More likely that the Taliban and Al Qaeda planted this information on their own, so Americans would target innocent Pakistanis and so outrage the general public over America’s support of dictatorial leaders, or outright attacks within Pakistan proper:

Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi, the descendant of a famous mystic and the keeper of his shrine, speaks often of the need to promote Sufism over extremism. But there has been little sign yet of a sustained effort by the government to reach out to the Sufis as allies or highlight how far out of step the extremists are with the country’s religious mainstream.

“If you want to understand the inclusiveness and tolerance of Islam, you have to visit the shrines of Sufis,” Qureshi said. “I believe that if you want to counter terrorism in long term, the strongest weapon is not the Kalashnikov, it is education, it is a changing of hearts and minds.”

Even with their shrines under attack, Sufis are not rising against the militants or even loudly criticizing them.

Some of this silence is attributed to fear. The Taliban are known to terrorize and kill opponents. Many people also complain that the security forces would not support them if they put their necks on the line.

Another reason is that for many ordinary Pakistanis, anger at the Taliban is offset by anger at the U.S. for wars in Afghanistan and Iraq that many here view as directed against Muslims. Experts also note the Taliban are primarily a political movement, not a religious one, despite how they may present their struggle.

http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2009/may/24/pakistans-moderate-islam-is-under-fire/news/

As usual the Republican methods of using blunt force, rather than delicate surgery to remove the tumor of extremist Islam, is causing more harm than good.

The “Qureshi” mentioned above is the descendant of one of Pakistans greatest Sufi mystics, one of the creators of Pakistan’s tolerant, mystical form of Islam. He is also a minister in the current Pakistani government.

We do not even have to fight the Taliban or Al Qaeda. Muslims would do it themselves if Bush had not fallen into the trap Bin Laden set for him. Attacking the United States on 9/11 was not the purpose of Al Qaeda. Goading the United States into attacking the Muslim world, by attempting to take over countries like Iraq and Afghanistan, and attempting to superimpose western ideas onto these countries was the goal, and largely it has been accomplished. All Bin Laden needed to do was something that would result in Western, nomininally Christian troops, occupying nations that had Muslim majority populations. This, he accomplished.

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Karma is best served warm! Liberty is a start. In chorus now…..Whine, whine, whine.

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The key to premium yard bird is thoroughly slow cooking it at 275 degrees, indirect heat, Weber gas grill, for at least 90 minutes.

Any old sauce will do.

Excellent!

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Debbie @ 3:32

I had exactly the same thought.Of course I’m too demure to to send it in as a post.And too lazy.

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I kinda wish there were a spam filter for posts that complain about their posts being eaten for ideological reasons.

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Isn’t that the same logic as the Ivies keeping ROTC off campus? I never hear the journalist commenting harshly upon those schools! Do you?

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DB –

“Still waiting for an example–any example–of a Republican club being disowned by a university, anywhere, while the Democratic club is allowed to continue.”

Well, it doesn’t rise to the level of the Liberty example but:

“WHEN CONSERVATIVE columnist Don Feder spoke at UMass-Amherst last month, his speech was cut short by a large group of students whose noisy and disruptive antics drove Feder off the lectern midway through his speech. As one UMass student wrote after the event, “I am embarrassed of the way my fellow classmates have chosen to express their discontent.” She should be – but she should also know that she is not the only one who is due for some embarrassment.

America’s campuses are seeing a growing movement by students to shut off debate by organized groups and silence speakers with whom they disagree. Rather than engage in the give-and-take that should be characteristic of the university as a “marketplace of ideas,” these students have decided that opposing views don’t even bear hearing. And all too often they are aided by administrators whose policies reward hecklers rather than students who wish to engage in civil debate and dialogue.

UMass is one of those campuses. After word got out that students were planning to protest Feder’s speech, the UMass-Amherst Police Department pressured Feder’s hosts, the Republican Club, into paying nearly three times as much in security costs for the event as they had planned. Of course, the student hecklers disrupted the event anyway with no interference by the police.

Feder’s hecklers were thereby handed a double victory by the university – not only did they manage to silence Feder, but they also succeeded in forcing their political enemies on campus to pay a huge security bill for little return. This tactic was so successful it’s hard to imagine that the same UMass students won’t do it again, and it’s unlikely that the lesson has been lost on students who sympathize with Feder.”

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/04/09/why_no_one_should_be_silenced_on_campus/

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I like Redneck Convert.

His sarcastic manner is well disguised and his play on words is, well, admirable. I enjoy reading him and trying to figure out what he really means, because many times his slant is much like a blast of buckshot; it scatters out at first, but something always finds the target.

He’s cool.

I, on the other hand, deploy the more straightforward approach, knocking through the crap right from the start, and use sarcasm some, but mostly pulverizing the prey with facts and statements, backed up, with the intention of making the victim squirm with anger and/or fear. It’s sort of like wounding the bleating animal, then standing with a foot on its neck while I openly deride it before putting it away.

The wounded bleat, curse, and hurl vile insults, but the end result is always the same. They are done, cooked in their own stupidity and blind partisanship. Then I toss them into my own creation, “The Irrelevant Pool”, occupancy unlimited.

I hope everyone enjoys their long weekend, and uses it to not only think about what the holiday means, but what and how our service men and women all over the world are going to be affected by the lack of leadership we have now, from a President who bows to foreigners, to a Speaker who openly and defiantly attacks and lies about our intelligence gathering community, the one part in the cog of our safety net, the military, that we simply cannot continue to function without.

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Didn’t Jay ban and kick off a poster who used to act like an Islamic extreamist?

Basically the guy acted like he was muslim and then made comments of satire and sarcasm, but was kicked off by Jay for I believe something along the lines of racism?

I may be wrong but if I am not can anyone tell me why that poet was kicked off?

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Can we all agree that the software that powers this blog is atrocious?

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Yeah mike, I have spoken to a fundamentalist Christian – I talk to my mom at least once a week. My mother-in-law lives with me and she talks about those streets of gold all the time, and on Sunday mornings she watches all those church shows and I hear that spoken quite often blarring from the TV in her room (she’s hard of hearing, so she turns it up real loud – maybe she’s worried about my soul and wants me to hear it).

I wish Hillbilly Deluxe was still here. I just took a hard core nap and I had a dream about something that was relevant to our prejudice vs. intolerance discussion.

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Some parents of South Cobb High seniors were unable to attend Saturday’s graduation at Roswell Street Baptist Church in Marietta because the sanctuary was filled to capacity.

The culprit: counterfeit tickets.

Once again, the liberal AJC has a problem with unregulated free market?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfIUZaThRk4&feature=related

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mike,

Nope, not at all. You asked me if I had ever talked to one, and I mentioned two. I grew up in a fundamentalist church, and I talked to the folks there all the time. I still talk to some of them.

And nice of you to put words in my mouth, that I’ve never spoken nor even written – contempt? Nope, considering I’m a Christian myself, and my immediate family, I have no contempt for any of them, or myself – I rather like all of us – we’re a good bunch of folks.

Lime popsicles are the best, but grape ones, I’ve found to be rather delicious, do you agree?

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mike,

And maybe you missed the part of my post where I wrote where I hear that blarring from the church shows on the TV in my mom-in-law’s room.

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Bosch –

No I didn’t miss that at all. It really doesn’t have much to do with anything though.

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catlady –

I actually worked for Cox Interactive years ago and the forum software we used then was much better than this current system.

The fact that the AJC can’t get basic technology like blogging software to function probably definitely taints their pundits groaning about the incompetence of others.

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Yeah Andy,

Powell and Ridge are the only two gop to stand up against a radio entertainer and the worst VP in history.

The gop are weaker than the spineless dems.

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getalife –

You claim that the Iraq War was an attempt to intentionally exterminate all Iraqis. How can you applaud Powell when he refuses to condemn the genocide that you claim?

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Bosch –

Well, how about answering my question as to what the “Hehehehe” intro to your comment was supposed to mean if it was not mockery?

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getalife –

“He was man enough to admit it was a mistake and got punked by the intell.”

So you are saying that Powell said that he was intentionally deceived?

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duh mike.

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mike,

Oh, that was in the post that got dropped, sorry. When I type “hehehehehe” in front of something it is not meant as mockery, it is meant that what follows is an attempt at humor. And my beliefs on Christianity, or more specific, fundamentalist Christianity, does not stem from family disputes, for I love my mother (my mother-in-law? welllllll…… that’s another story). I grew up in a fundamentalist church, which resulted in several years of childhood therapy based on some rather unpleasant personal experiences I endured. I left the “church” for many years and became rather hardened towards all organized religion based on my experiences. But, alas, I met the other Bosch (who is a seminary graduate) and was convinced rather reluctantly to go to another church and try another “branch” of Christianity – which has really helped me grow as a person. Man, what people do for love. But it worked for me. So that’s a good thing.

That bacon sandwich was delicious (it was no grape popsicle, but close), and my Heineken is also quite good. So, do you have anything specific you’d like to ask about my spiritual belief system? I’m really no good right now for a complete “Bosch’s Views on Christianity” manifesto.

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