Liberty University bans campus Democratic club

From the Lynchberg (Va.) News and Advance:

Liberty University has revoked its recognition of the campus Democratic Party club, saying “we are unable to lend support to a club whose parent organization stands against the moral principles held by” the university.

“It kind of happened out of nowhere,” said Brian Diaz, president of LU’s student Democratic Party organization, which LU formally recognized in October.

Diaz said he was notified of the school’s decision May 15 in an e-mail from Mark Hine, vice president of student affairs.

According to the e-mail, the club must stop using the university’s name, holding meetings on campus, or advertising events. Violators could incur one or more reprimands under the school’s Liberty Way conduct code, and anyone who accumulates 30 reprimands is subject to expulsion.

Hine said late Thursday that the university could not sanction an official club that supported Democratic candidates.

“We are in no way attempting to stifle free speech.”

Legally, Liberty University is well within its rights. Politically and otherwise, it’s a sad decision. It’s less about freedom of speech than freedom of conscience, and it blatantly reinforces the link between the Republican Party and the conservative evangelicals. The old-time Baptists who fought so hard against mixing church and state business are probably rolling over in their graves.

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I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(

May 24th, 2009
8:26 am

It’s less about freedom of speech than freedom of conscience, and it blatantly reinforces the link between the Republican Party and the conservative evangelicals.

Are you kidding? This kind of thing, thousands of times worse, has been going on against campus Conservatives for decades.

jeez, what a hack.

I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(

May 24th, 2009
8:27 am

Redneck Convert

May 24th, 2009
8:33 am

Well, I’m with Liberty University. Your right to Free Speech ends when you start saying things I don’t like. If the TV stations would of had the guts to ban the librul Democrats we would have President McCain right now. Anyhow, if everybody started banning librul Democrats this country would be a whole lot better off.

And what’s wrong with a colledge linking up to good Christians? This is God’s country and we do what He wants. We are always in the right.

I wish Bookman would take Liberty University as a example. Just put the clamps on anything sent in by this AmVet and Deegee and other Blasphemers. Throw this thing wide open to Sister Dusty, Ray, @@, and the I Report/You Whine guy. And me of course.

Anyhow, I’m going down to the Church of Holiness this a.m. and pray for all you godless heathens. Including Bookman. I hope you all see the Light and start saying Conservative things. Which you are always free to do. Have a good Sabbath everybody.

Brad

May 24th, 2009
8:36 am

If the old-time Baptists fought against mixing church and state, don’t you think they would prefer there be no political clubs on campus? Democrat or Republican?

Taxpayer

May 24th, 2009
8:38 am

Liberty University! Now, there’s a laugh! How does that old saying go, “Give me Liberty or give me Free Speech.” No. That’s not it…is it.

clyde

May 24th, 2009
8:40 am

“We are in no way attempting to stifle free speech”.Somehow that statement doesn’t ring true.

lwwmm7

May 24th, 2009
8:48 am

Now that the shoe is on the other foot, free speech denied is suddenly a priority, huh? Conservative speakers have been shouted down and denied a chance at colleges for many years now. Let’s all allow others to have and express an opinion without all this foolishness.

lwwmm7

May 24th, 2009
8:52 am

Have a great Memorial Weekend everybody. Thank you troops for the freedoms we enjoy to disagree with each other with only verbal beheadings resulting.

Ray

May 24th, 2009
8:53 am

Seems like students that enroll at Liberty University probably do so voluntarily and are not subject to any arm twisting to become a student. Wonder how many conservative students who have a liberal professor in most of the academic institutions in this country suffer grade wise because of their conservative views. Are they free to disagree with their professors without any chance of retribution? Are their professors open minded, fair and understanding to a distaff point of view? I doubt it.

I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(

May 24th, 2009
8:55 am

Under intense fire from the right, former secretary of state Colin L. Powell is preparing to answer his Republican critics this weekend in a television appearance that is likely to add fuel to his long-standing feud with top conservatives in his party.

Earlier this month, he said the party is in “deep trouble” because “Americans are looking for more government in their life, not less.”

That changed late in the 2008 presidential campaign, when he endorsed Barack Obama.-Urinal/ Republican Self Help Service

Maybe your boy is confused, no?

Cheney dryly commented: “I didn’t know he was still a Republican.”

Score one for the Dick.

Kamchak

May 24th, 2009
8:57 am

“Seems like students that enroll at Liberty University do so voluntarily and are not subject to any arm twisting to become a student.”

That can be said for any student enrolling in any college or university.

I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(

May 24th, 2009
9:10 am

(Athens, Greece) Dozens of cars have been smashed, 14 people injured and 46 arrested in riots by Muslim migrants over the alleged defacing of a Koran by a policeman.

Obozo’s homeys.

eewwwww

Ray

May 24th, 2009
9:12 am

The liberal posters on this blog are poster children for intolerance of other’s views, especially Bookman. All of these liberal rants about free speech, fairness and true debate are masked by snide comments, sarcasm and ridicule to those who disagree with them. How dare some university, especially one of those God types, have an opinion about what they stand for? You would think that Perez Hilton could do something about that. Where are you, Perez, when we need you the most?

jt

May 24th, 2009
9:13 am

“and it blatantly reinforces the link between the Republican Party and the conservative evangelicals.”

What is wrong with this.?

There is a link between the Democrat party and the evangelical left.

Taxpayer

May 24th, 2009
9:18 am

It’s not like we’re talking about a woman’s freedom to control her own body or a person’s freedom to wed whomever (except for that dude running for office in Georgia), or a person’s right to lug an RPG on a bus (wait a minute, that one is probably allowed in certain portions of the red states), etc. I wonder if that ‘Liberty’ place is open to the expression of all types of religions and paganism and such. Then again, how could they offer that much liberty and deny Democrats the freedom to just speak their peace. That’s it! They should have war mongered. They should have followed in the footsteps of the noble Romans and the Gladiators — “Those who are about to die, we salute you.”

Donovan

May 24th, 2009
9:19 am

Jay, what’s good for the goose…It is sweet payback that the Democrats are getting a dose of their own medicine. Harvard and Columbia have been showing their rear ends for far too long and it is refreshing to hear a liberal journalist bemoaning the fact that a little university is striking back. Take heed, Bookman. You can poison the well once too often. How’s circulation at the AJC?

mike

May 24th, 2009
9:21 am

Well, I guess that all of the Democrats who were planning on attending Liberty University will be rethinking their decision :)

AmVet

May 24th, 2009
9:22 am

Dedicated to one of America’s most repulsive christo-fascists and monied frauds ever – Jerry Falwell – and all of his groupies:

Lunatic fringe, I know you’re out there

You’re in hiding, And you hold your meetings

We can hear you coming, We know what you’re after

We’re wise to you this time, We won’t let you kill the laughter.

Lunatic fringe, in the twilight’s last gleaming

This is open season, but you won’t get too far

We know you’ve got to blame someone, For your own confusion

But we’re on guard this time, Against your final solution

We can hear you coming (We can hear you coming)

No you’re not going to win this time

We can hear the footsteps (We can hear the footsteps)

Way out along the walkway

Lunatic fringe, We know you’re out there

But in these new dark ages, There will still be light

An eye for an eye; Well before you go under…

Can you feel the resistance? Can you feel the thunder?

TW

May 24th, 2009
9:25 am

Didn’t King NutJob Falwell used to run this joint? Alas, his spirit lives. Anybody else see the irony in a ‘Christian’ Univ using The Bible as toilet paper? Guess Sermon On The Mount was just a bunch of liberal nonsense.

Call it a serious strike in the rightwing’s continued war on education. Brilliant! Timothy McVeigh would have been so proud!

The rest of the literate country? Not so much. But hey, thanks for the entertainment :)

BDAtlanta

May 24th, 2009
9:29 am

They don’t want their flock to think for themselves. Watch Fox News, go to church three times a week, and leave the thinking to the people who pull the strings.

Sad, very sad. Democracy, in order to work effectively, needs people who can draw conclusions and opinions for themselves. Someone who is told how to think and what to accept and not accept is useless in this system.

If a student decides they don’t care for the Democratic Party principles, they can dismiss them themselves, that is great and I can respect that. What I can’t respect are the institutions who want to control how people think, what they can think, and how they should vote.

That is intolerance. Dictators work that way, not democracies.

BDAtlanta

May 24th, 2009
9:34 am

Someone tell Boortz, he’d be proud. Here is a private institution putting out non-government schooled individuals. People who can’t think for themselves. They will probably wind up on Wall Street or in a Republican administration screwing our country up again like the last 8 years.

BDAtlanta

May 24th, 2009
9:37 am

lwwmm7 wrote: Conservative speakers have been shouted down and denied a chance at colleges for many years now.

They aren’t legally kept from operating on campuses. The reason it looks like they are being denied is because the majority of people who can actually get into a four year institution know the conservatives want to CONTROL and DICTATE what their followers can and can’t think. They reject the conservatives, simple as that.

mike

May 24th, 2009
9:38 am

“The old-time Baptists who fought so hard against mixing church and state business are probably rolling over in their graves.”

I don’t see what this has to do with separation between church and state at all. Liberty is a private school.

On the other hand, the public college I attended in the Northeast was overwhelming stocked with liberal faculty who regularly espoused their political beliefs under the guise of education.

mike

May 24th, 2009
9:39 am

I guess the Baptists should be as tolerant of dissenting views as are the posters on this blog.

BDAtlanta

May 24th, 2009
9:40 am

I switched to a Republican in 2006 just to try and help keep Ralph Reed out of Georgia’s government. Whew, we landslided that nutjob.

Scary people, just crazy scary people.

Christian fundamentalists should be considered just as dangerous as Muslim fundamentalists.

Kamchak

May 24th, 2009
9:42 am

“They will probably wind up on Wall Street or in a Republican administration screwing our country up again like the last 8 years.”

Wall Street?–definitely. A Republican administration? More likely a Libertarian administration.

Libertarians–the new neo-conned.

RW-(the original)

May 24th, 2009
9:42 am

Here’s the text of the email

It sounds more like a stand on University principle than a “banning” and the email actually acknowledges that the group will still exist, just without the support of the University.

Ray

May 24th, 2009
9:43 am

This is so cool! It’s like Virginia has it’s own little pocket of Stalin’s Soviet Union! Right there in LYNCHBURG! HAHAHA! HOW PERFECT!

mike

May 24th, 2009
9:44 am

“Christian fundamentalists should be considered just as dangerous as Muslim fundamentalists.”

Hmm. Despite the actions of a few isolated nutjobs like Tim McVeigh, I don’t see fundamentalist Christians viewing violence as a legitimate means to make their case.

Taxpayer

May 24th, 2009
9:45 am

Here is some more of the sad reality of three or four involuntary tours in the voluntary military.

Generals Find Suicide a Frustrating Enemy

Let’s honor our fallen soldiers by putting an end to more needless deaths.

Donovan

May 24th, 2009
9:45 am

Hmmm…let’s see. Now that we are throwing political hand grenades, what about the herd mentality of unions voting for any Democrat candidate? How about the endless focus groups not having a clue as to why they voted for Obama after each primary? How about the mindless robots buying into “the war is lost” and the “surge is a failure”? And, once again…shouting down and trashing the stages of conservative speakers at Harvard and Columbia? All of you Christian hating robots voted for this CHANGE going on in the socialization of America.

mike

May 24th, 2009
9:46 am

“They will probably wind up on Wall Street or in a Republican administration screwing our country up again like the last 8 years.”

Actually, based on the last elections, the Wall Street crowd are overwhelmingly Democrats. But then again, I wouldn’t want facts to creep in on perfectly good stereotypes.

“Although the Democratic presidential hopeful has vowed to raise capital gains and corporate taxes, financial industry bigs have contributed almost twice as much to Obama as to GOP rival John McCain, a Daily News analysis of campaign records shows.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/06/30/2008-06-30_barack_obama_has_collected_nearly_twice_-2.html

Mrs. Godzilla

May 24th, 2009
9:47 am

It’s Liberty U, for heaven’s sake. They have every right to do what they did, no matter how it appears.

As to free speech…let us not forget that ones right to free speech is in no way infringed when another uses theirs in opposition.

jt

May 24th, 2009
9:49 am

This is interesting to note.

Sun Myung Moon, founder of the Unification Church and the Washington Times, helped to financially stabilize the University through two of his organizations: News World Communications, which provided a $400,000 loan to the University at 6% interest; and the Women’s Federation for World Peace, which indirectly contributed $3.5 million toward the school’s debt.[42] Liberty University spokesman Mark DeMoss said the school was not aware of News World’s connection to Moon when it obtained the loan through a broker. “I’m not going to be pious and tell you we would have turned it down,” DeMoss said. “Because it was a business transaction, we probably would have moved forward even if Dr. Falwell or somebody in the organization knew who News World Communications was.”[42] Liberty University founder Jerry Falwell stated that the source of the funds does not influence his ministry, Stating: “If the American Atheists Society or Saddam Hussein himself ever sent an unrestricted gift to any of my ministries, be assured I will operate on Billy Sunday’s philosophy: The Devil’s had it long enough, and quickly cash the check.”[43]

Ron Godwin, now Vice Chancellor at Liberty University, was previously employed under Rev. Moon as Vice President of the Washington Times.[44]

Kamchak

May 24th, 2009
9:49 am

Hmmm…let’s see. How about voting for a man for president because you would like to have a beer with him?

Road Scholar

May 24th, 2009
9:50 am

Conservatives not being heard! Give me a break. Even at Obama’s alma mater, the conserves thought that he was more interested in hearing their views than the libs. Obviously, by listening to both or all sides, Obama could shape his opinions and policies. Lord help us (I thought that this was applicable due to Liberty U (what a joke for a name).

I also thought that what Glenn Beck said the other day. “I don’t do any fact checks on what info/opinion I express. I’m an entertainer.” This is very apparent by the crap he puts out. So, he can slander anyone, if he desires? He should have a disclaimer for his show since it is on Fox News.

Jimmy Joe Bob

May 24th, 2009
9:51 am

Why don’t Baptists make love standing up?

They’re afraid people will accuse them of dancing!

mike

May 24th, 2009
9:53 am

Road Scholar –

Glenn Beck is a partisan fool, but he is no different than Olbermann or Maddow.

jt

May 24th, 2009
9:53 am

BD wrote-

“Christian fundamentalists should be considered just as dangerous as Muslim fundamentalists.”

For those who eschew a GOD, and put all of their religious faith in GOVERMENT, are by far, the most dangerous.
Lenin,Hitler,etc……

Linville

May 24th, 2009
9:54 am

BD,

I switched to Democrat in 2004 to keep Cynthia McKinney out…but stayed Republican last year and sure didn’t vote for Reed. Did vote for Obama, though.

Private schools have a right to do anything they want. That’s been going on for years, with Oliver North banned from Ivy League campuses and Ahmadinejad welcomed. Both liberal and conservative campuses have a bad record. So the Liberty decision isn’t a surprise, it’s just another disappointment.

Mike, did you notice that the Southern Baptists came out against torture last week? Maybe the fundamentalists are getting the message that all our rights are at risk if we start cheating on the Constitution for a little protection.

“He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.”

Taxpayer

May 24th, 2009
9:56 am

How about voting for the ‘man’ that says he has ‘family values’. hehehe

jt

May 24th, 2009
9:58 am

Kamchak wrote-
Libertarians–the new neo-conned.

Sorry dude- Never happen. Libertarians are the party of superior intelligence. Conning happens the the R&D sheeple.

Road Scholar

May 24th, 2009
9:58 am

Mike, I suppose you never have heard of what has happened in Gulf Breeze Florida. Doctors who do LEGAL abortions being murdered by “activist” Christian extremists. They justify it by saying that it was a single murder to save multiple babies in the future. Killing the doctor is still murder. Abortion is legal as long as it is within the law.

mike

May 24th, 2009
9:59 am

Linville –

“Mike, did you notice that the Southern Baptists came out against torture last week? Maybe the fundamentalists are getting the message that all our rights are at risk if we start cheating on the Constitution for a little protection. ”

Sure did, but I didn’t see folks complaining about Baptists “imposing their morals on us” or abrogating “separation of church and state matters” then.

Besides, Obama has solved the torture issue just fine. He is shipping them to Pakistan and Middle East countries to be tortured by them:

“The United States is now relying heavily on foreign intelligence services to capture, interrogate and detain all but the highest-level terrorist suspects seized outside the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, according to current and former American government officials.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/world/24intel.html?hp

Between this and the notion that indefinitely detaining terrorism suspects in SuperMax prisons instead of Gitmo, it is clear that the change that Obama is bringing is window dressing and doesn’t really address the moral and legal issues surrounding these matters.

Ray

May 24th, 2009
10:00 am

Glenn Beck and Manteats in Black are to substance abuse what Maddow and Olbermann are to education.

AmVet

May 24th, 2009
10:00 am

As I noted earlier, I was surprised the thought police at Falwelll State allowed them in the first place.

But after researching a bit I found the Dems were ONLY allowed if they were anti-abortion and anti-sodomite.

But it turns out, even that wasn’t enough.

Mark Hine, the vice president of student affairs, claims that the Democratic Party violates school principles and includes their positions on “abortion, socialism, and the agenda of lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgenders.”

Ironic that the name is Liberty University.

A name change seems in order.

Liberty for Some University?

mike

May 24th, 2009
10:01 am

Road Scholar –

Of course, I am familiar with the isolated cases you cite. I addressed individual nutjobs in the post to which you are responding. That is a far different than the widespread support for terrorism found among fundamentalist Muslims. Are there any fundamentalist Christian leaders calling for the destruction of American cities?

Kamchak

May 24th, 2009
10:02 am

jt

Sorry dude, that’s the same thing the Goldwater Republicans said.

Meet the new boss–same as the old boss.

mike

May 24th, 2009
10:03 am

“Glenn Beck and Manteats in Black are to substance abuse what Maddow and Olbermann are to education.”

Hmm. They are all a bunch of partisan blowhards. I could really care less what their problems with substance abuse were. Lord knows that liberals never have abused drugs.

mike

May 24th, 2009
10:04 am

AmVet –

“Liberty for Some University?”

Liberty for any who choose to attend knowing full well where the school is coming from. As opposed to most schools that are not honest about their political stances.

Road Scholar

May 24th, 2009
10:05 am

Mike, yes Maddow and Oberman (sp) are partisan, but they do their research. They show film on what they comment on. They have opposing opinions on their show at the same time and don’t shout down opposing views. They have intelligent discussion, while they protect their views with facts. Maddow, who is gay, is a Rhode Scholar. Heck most of Fox’s casters couldn’t get out of kindergarden, esp based on their manners.

getalife

May 24th, 2009
10:05 am

There are dems in that cult?

Taxpayer

May 24th, 2009
10:07 am

I’ll bet this slide show is not censored on ‘Liberty U’s campus. Onward Christian soldiers. That’s about as ‘fundamentalist’ as it gets.

Road Scholar

May 24th, 2009
10:09 am

Mike, you type faster than I!

No, they just want to leave the Union!

RW-(the original)

May 24th, 2009
10:11 am

As to free speech…let us not forget that ones right to free speech is in no way infringed when another uses theirs in opposition.

Mrs. G,

That’s true up to the point that you allow the speaker to have their say and rebut the message, but it’s absurd to extend that rational to shouting down a speaker to prevent their message from ever being delivered in the first place.

Taxpayer

May 24th, 2009
10:14 am

I wonder what WHINSEC’s political stance is. Somehow, I doubt they allow any Democrats to speak out about their little place.

Linville

May 24th, 2009
10:17 am

mike,

Good points.

Did you see this article?

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1900248,00.html

So, you’re running the war over there, what do you do? For my money, the Paks want control of the drones. I’d give it to them so long as they agree that they’ll let the public know they are controlling the bombing…and I’d keep a veto on where we bomb so we can avoid mass civilian casualties.

BDAtlanta

May 24th, 2009
10:17 am

Regarding Maddow and Olbermann,

You conservatives should watch some of their shows over the past two weeks. You will see something you aren’t used to and it might scare you. Two openly liberal, Obama-supporting prime time news talkng heads who are admonishing Obama, Pelosi, and Reid!

OMG! You see, it’s ok to speak out against things you don’t like. Let’s see Fox News talking heads stand up and point out their disagreements with Republicans? You know Hannity won’t do it cause he’s a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Republican Party (I stole that line from Senator Al Frankin)

How about the Democrats denying Obama his funds for Gitmo? OMG!

In eight years the Republicans never had the nads to stand up to the Bush administration – gave em everything they wanted. OMG! How pathetic.

Olberman and Maddow are patriots – they speak out against things they don’t like – even when it happens in their own party! Give it a try Repubs, it’s how democracy works. Otherwise, if we are all just mindless followers, Democracy doesn’t work.

BDAtlanta

May 24th, 2009
10:19 am

JT, Hitler was a christian.

“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.”

( Adolf Hitler, from John Toland [Pulitzer Prize winner], Adolf Hitler, New York: Anchor Publishing, 1992, p. 507. )
——————————————————————————–

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”

( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner Books, 1999, p. 65. )

Bud Wiser

May 24th, 2009
10:22 am

Oh my, a democrat club banned????? Oh, the injustice! The outrage!!

Maybe they should call upon Dr. JoAnn Watson, serving her first full term as a Member of the Detroit City Council, and politician extraordinaire, for advice. After all, Watson knows how to evade paying taxes, and these youg club members could use the extra cash to fight the university.

Council Member Watson earned a Journalism Degree from the University of Michigan, where she was active with the peace and justice movement. Currently, she is a board member with:ACLU, NAACP, Vice-President of the Detroit Wayne County Health Authority, Every Church a Peace Church, and SEMCOG. Watson is the mother of four and has garnered more than 800 awards, including an Honorary Doctorate. She holds Lifetime Achievement Awards from the YWCA, the NAACP, the Detroit Human Rights Commission, the SCLC, and a National Award from the National Conference of Negro Women. She has authored hundreds of columns, article, and books including: Should America Pay? The ABC’s of School Finance, Reparations Ray Jenkins’ 40-year quest for 40 acres and a Mule and an urban agenda, which she presented to Presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama in 2008.

Oh, the tax thing you ask?

Watson has paid $68 in property taxes this year because city records say her home doesn’t exist.

JoAnn Watson’s brick Tudor-style home on the city’s west side has been occupied since 1926, but city records have classified the parcel as an empty lot for the past decade. Owners of comparable homes pay $2,000 to $6,500 in property taxes.

Watson told the Detroit Free Press she thought the steep drop in property taxes was a result of tornado damage. She doesn’t recall when the tornado struck, however, saying it might have been 1993 or 2002.

Yeah, tornadoes are reported in Michigan on a par with Oklahoma and Alabama, I’ll bet.

More dopes with chains in that bastion of freedom city, Detroit.

Ray

May 24th, 2009
10:31 am

Let Bud’s drastic veer from topic be the right’s white flag on this one. Taxes? 2006- The federal government [Editor's note: e.g. George W. Bush and his political appointees] is moving to eliminate the jobs of nearly half of the lawyers at the Internal Revenue Service who audit tax returns of some of the wealthiest Americans, specifically those who are subject to gift and estate taxes when they transfer parts of their fortunes to their children and others.
But you’ll be glad to know the new president is going to fix all that. Thanks for your appreciation of tax revenue, Bud Wiser.

jt

May 24th, 2009
10:35 am

BDA- You were comparing christian FUNDAMENTALISTS, not Catholics.

DannyX

May 24th, 2009
10:36 am

Liberty University is doing God’s work. The Republicans party is also doing God’s work. It makes so much sense to ban the evil Demoncrats.

Students need to concentrate on God’s work. Anything that stops that needs to go away.

Please join me in prayer,

God, please bless those who start thy wars that kill 100,000’s of innocent civilians. Bless those that support the torture of other human beings. Please God, refuse medical care to those that cannot afford it. Let us kill those that sin against you. And God, please allow no one to ever take away our guns.

Amen.

Lee

May 24th, 2009
10:38 am

Let’s see, Liberty University is a PRIVATE BAPTIST university founded by Jerry Falwell. All they are saying is that they will not sanction a group that promotes a social agenda that is in conflict with that of the university.

Good for them.

jt

May 24th, 2009
10:39 am

“God, please bless those who start thy wars that kill 100,000’s of innocent civilians. Bless those that support the torture of other human beings. Please God, refuse medical care to those that cannot afford it. Let us kill those that sin against you. And God, please allow no one to ever take away our guns.”

Disregarding rhetoric, in actual deeds, that about sums up the R & D oligarchy.

RW-(the original)

May 24th, 2009
10:40 am

College campuses have one thing that remains constant: administrators snuff out conservative ideas. How else to explain, for the 16th year in a row, liberal speakers dominating the list of graduation ceremonies? It’s worth repeating. For the past 16 years—the time period Young America’s Foundation has been keeping tabs—a disproportionate number of commencement speakers at our nation’s top colleges and universities have been liberal ideologues, big donors to liberal causes, and members of the “drive-by” media.

Colleges and university administrators love to boast about how “diverse” their institutions are, from diversity pledges, diversity deans, diversity classes, to diverse student bodies. But when it comes to diverse viewpoints, well, these schools say no thanks. Such imbalance is especially shameful at a time when students demonstrate a strong desire to see more conservatives on campus. John Ashcroft, Ann Coulter, Ben Stein, Chuck Norris, and Michelle Malkin all drew thousands of students and standing-room only crowds at several colleges and universities this past year.

Unfortunately, commencement ceremonies once again look like another dose of leftist indoctrination rather than a fresh start for the class of 2009.

125 liberals to 5 conservatives. By all means let’s whine about the injustice at Liberty U.

Normal

May 24th, 2009
10:45 am

This is just another example of the American Taliban (read far right
Christians) trying for its New World Order. Liberty U. ought to change
its name to No Liberty U. What a crock.

DannyX

May 24th, 2009
10:54 am

Liberty University needs to do the Lords work without distractions. Right now they are doing much needed research. Our Lord is about to return and we need to be prepared.

For instance when he returns we need to determine the market value of his miracles so that we can charge for them accordingly. So far our research has come up with a miracle price plan.

Returning sight to a blind man……$1,000,000.00

Pulling fish out of a basket…..$10,000.00

Turning water into wine….(Ooops, we have banned this. Sorry Jesus.)

Raising the dead….$500,000,000.00

All major insurance plans accepted. MC, Visa and Amex too.

Bosch

May 24th, 2009
11:17 am

Wow, sometimes your job can really take it out of you. I’m feeling it today. Just finished a job that required 20 straight hours of hard labor with about 4 in there for sleep. I feel a hard core nap coming on.

So much for the theory that liberals are a lazy bunch of POS.

Anywho, considering the students that go to Liberty U, this isn’t much of a surprise. I’m sure there were probably only one or two students who participated in this club. My mom belongs to one of the most minority groups of people in this country, a Democrat evangelical, and I don’t think she’s signing up for on-line courses at Liberty U anytime soon.

The college probably isn’t supporting it because any money they may spend on the club is wasted and right now, colleges, who are just as much a business as any other business and they aren’t going to waste a dime on an endeavor they seem unnecessary or not cost effective to their business plan or goals. That’s fine.

But that being said, the wording in the email is a prime example of why the wingnuts (and I consider anything started by Jerry Falwell to be a wingnut organization) is falling deeper into irrelevancy. Why anyone would waste their money to attend a “university” like Liberty is beyond me, but hey, to each his/her own. I know that many here on the blog could name several examples of the great and wonderful people who’ve attended Liberty and the great things they’ve done (and I’m sure they are), but I’ve had a couple of experiences of being on committees that were hiring people in various position – and twice we’ve interviewed candidates that have their degrees from Liberty and I wouldn’t have hired them to cut my grass to take out my garbage. Yeah, a couple of people don’t make a complete sampling either, but if those candidates could have talked about the job instead of how great the Lord was, I might have had a different opinion. Now, I think the Lord is great too, but when it comes to business, I’m looking for someone who can actually do the job.

Mrs. Godzilla

May 24th, 2009
11:17 am

RW

You say:

“That’s true up to the point that you allow the speaker to have their say and rebut the message, but it’s absurd to extend that rational to shouting down a speaker to prevent their message from ever being delivered in the first place.”

In a utopian world, I couldn’t agree more. However, I think pragmatism is called for.

When Lawrence O’Donnell or Ed Schultz or Chris Matthews or anybody else for that matter shouts down Michelle Malkin, Glenn Beck or Jonah Goldberg I figure it’s fair n’ square.

Being bullied by an increasingly small albeit well-funded and organized, faux grassroots movement will not be tolerated any longer.
If our voices are raised it is simply to insure that they are heard over
the din.

It’s traditional American stuff dude.

Cleverly documented here in musical comedy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HD1x_kZRQQ

That said, I won’t be signing any petitions to ban young Republicans from Notre Dame, Boston College, Holy Cross, DePaul…..

getalife

May 24th, 2009
11:26 am

“Gay US diplomats to receive equal benefits.”

Hillary made the American taliban’s heads explode.

mike

May 24th, 2009
11:31 am

“Maddow and Oberman (sp) are partisan, but they do their research.”

Oh please. Beck’s and Limbaugh’s followers say the same thing. There is no difference between this group of demagogues.

mike

May 24th, 2009
11:32 am

Road Scholar -

“No, they just want to leave the Union!”

Can you cite any fundamentalist Christian leaders that want to leave the Union?

mike

May 24th, 2009
11:34 am

“Olberman and Maddow are patriots – they speak out against things they don’t like – even when it happens in their own party! ”

So do Limbaugh and Beck. Doesn’t mean that they aren’t all partisan blowhards who make their living off of divisive partisan rhetoric.

Caveman

May 24th, 2009
11:35 am

Despite the “liberals do it too” nonsense, I don’t believe the anyone posted an instance of a college banning the young republicans club. Until then there is no “liberals do it too” arguement to be made.

Libery is a private college but I’m sure they get some tax money at least indirectly through student loans. Might be time to make them totally private and rule them ineligable for any government money at all.

mike

May 24th, 2009
11:36 am

DannyX –

“God, please bless those who start thy wars that kill 100,000’s of innocent civilians”

Yes it is much more moral to maintain a sanctions regime that the UN claims resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraq children.

Also, Obama was a supporter of the Afghan War from the beginning. Last I looked, he is not a Republican.

Bosch

May 24th, 2009
11:38 am

mike,

Hehehehe. Most fundamentalist Christian leaders do want to leave the Union and go to a place where the streets are lined with gold, angels sing on the street corners, and some guy named God sits on a throne on a gold throne somewhere.

Research is flawed if it is so biased it doesn’t make any sense or the goals of the research can’t be duplicated or applied in other situations. And that goes for both ends of the bell curve (left and right).

mike

May 24th, 2009
11:40 am

Bosch –

Your last post has nothing to do with what was being discussed, but at least you got the chance to mock those who don’t share your spiritual views. Liberal tolerance and all that.

Bosch

May 24th, 2009
11:42 am

Caveman,

Private colleges do get lots of federal money through student loans. But you can’t deny those students who chose to go there money based on their views. That’s illegal.

Bosch

May 24th, 2009
11:44 am

mike,

Then read what I just typed at 11:42. No, it’s real easy to throw out “your intolerant” – it’s another thing to it actually be the case.

mike

May 24th, 2009
11:46 am

Bosch –

What, you think that your acceptance of the law at 11:42 means that your comment at 11:40 was not mocking folks who don’t share your intrinsically correct spiritual views? Please

mike

May 24th, 2009
11:48 am

It is amusing that those who want to criticize Liberty for not being tolerant of other views are the same folks who are demonstrating their own intolerance for others views.

I don’t see much difference.

Bosch

May 24th, 2009
11:48 am

mike,

No, I don’t, because that’s where most fundamentalists want to go. Ask one. I’m not mocking them at all, more power to them – I hope they make it there.

RW-(the original)

May 24th, 2009
11:48 am

Many campuses are intellectual versions of one-party nations — except such nations usually have the merit, such as it is, of candor about their ideological monopolies. In contrast, American campuses have more insistently proclaimed their commitment to diversity as they have become more intellectually monochrome.

They do indeed cultivate diversity — in race, skin color, ethnicity, sexual preference. In everything but thought.

Maybe Liberty is just getting the message but they missed the part where your one-party nation/campus had to be liberals.

mike

May 24th, 2009
11:53 am

Bosch –

Oh please. To claim that you were not sneering at Christians when you said:

“Hehehehe. Most fundamentalist Christian leaders do want to leave the Union and go to a place where the streets are lined with gold, angels sing on the street corners, and some guy named God sits on a throne on a gold throne somewhere.”

is the height of intellectual dishonesty. You even started a out with “hehehehe” before you got into your stereotyped view of Christian beliefs about “some guy named God”. Give me a break.

Taxpayer

May 24th, 2009
11:53 am

How are you this fine Sunday morning, Bosch? Trying to tolerate the intolerable?

Bosch

May 24th, 2009
11:56 am

mike,

Follow along. Ask one, any fundamentalist and I’m sure that most of them want to get to that place I described – yes, that’s where they want to go. And your taking it out of context. I’m not being intellectually dishonest when I state that I hope they make it there.

Taxpayer,

I’m good this morning, thanks! Much better with lots of coffee and some ibuprofen.

Taxpayer

May 24th, 2009
11:58 am

Ibuprofen. The true friend of the labor party.

mike

May 24th, 2009
11:59 am

Bosch –

Look, your mocking tone is clear and if there was any doubt about your intention, you started with “Hehehehe”. Why else is it there?

How can I be taking your comments “out of context” when I presented the entire paragraph?

N.J,

May 24th, 2009
12:00 pm

Wouldnt it be a hoot if the antichrist these guys are always hooting about turned out to be an evangelical christian leader. After all, the book of revelations states that the antichrist will attempt to link a political ideology (liberty is gods gift to mankind) now insisting that the idea of “coercive democrary” as an absolute good, an economic system (the religious right is always yakking about “free market economics” and insisting that it be spread to all corners of the earth) and finally a form of christianity that has completely stripped the religion of the social gospel and focuses totally on condition of the individuals soul and its invariable insistance in “justification by faith alone” stripping out all of the sections of the old and new testements that insist that “good works” are the means by which ones faith can be determined to be true or false. One world superpower, which insists it is a Christian nation, and which has been spreading its own, single system of economics around the world by force or economic co-ercion….Sounds pretty antichristy to me.

Linville

May 24th, 2009
12:00 pm

Is there anyone out there who believes we SHOULDN’T stand up and fight the terrorists? If so let me know so I’ll know to skip past your posts.

For the rest, the question is how to fight them. Cons like the military option as first choice. Libs think we’re being barbaric to fight. Both sides show some serious flaws. The Cons don’t seem to mind giving up rights to win. Libs are more interested in blame for what we’ve done than getting serious about the fight.

Get pragmatic. We’re in Iraq and Afghanistan and won’t be out anytime soon. As long as we’re there we’ll continue to stir up support for terrorists. The biggest problem we have in these wars, and in Islam-land in general, is that our enemies are having an easy time recruiting people who will be organic bombs. If Gitmo, torture, support for dictatorial regimes (or Israel), or droning Pakistan are contributing to their success we’d better be willing to look at the decision to see if it’s really working.

Taxpayer

May 24th, 2009
12:00 pm

Bosch,

I hope those suicide bombers get their forty virgins too. As Dunham said (paraphrasing), there was nothing said about them being of the opposite sex. hehehehe

Bosch

May 24th, 2009
12:04 pm

RW,

One of the most compelling arguments I’ve read about Intelligent Design was written by a Physics professor.

There is a movement (well, maybe that’s too strong of word) of theologians and scientists who are able to intelligently fuse their theories together – I like that, if you can argue your point based on logic or reality and not based on a belief in a particular type of mythology, I’m all for that.

Bosch

May 24th, 2009
12:08 pm

Linville,

Thank you for letting us all know how we all think this morning.

Bosch

May 24th, 2009
12:09 pm

Taxpayer,

I thought it was 72 virgins. I hope they get them too although, I personally don’t think you deserve to go to the good place after death if you kill a few 100 to get there, but it’s not my mythology – I guess you can make up whatever you want if it’s what you need to get by in the world.

Kamchak

May 24th, 2009
12:12 pm

Bosch

Blues up 1-nil at 2nd min. 2nd.half

mike

May 24th, 2009
12:14 pm

Bosch –

“Thank you for letting us all know how we all think this morning.”

LOL. And you don’t tell conservatives how they think? Too funny.

Taxpayer

May 24th, 2009
12:15 pm

Well, Bosch. You are correct. Seventy-two same-sex virgins might be considered a good place by some bombers. It does depend on one’s personal preferences.

mike

May 24th, 2009
12:16 pm

Linville –

You are overestimating most of the folks on this blog. The vast majority here reflexively support anyone who is in “our” camp and attack anyone who is in “their” camp.

Otherwise, you would see more liberals attacking Obama for continuing Bush’s policies and more conservatives attacking Bush for his reckless spending.

Bosch

May 24th, 2009
12:22 pm

Kamchak,

I’m watching Man U and Hull. What channel are you watching?