Whoa … that’s one way to end an investigation
TOKYO, May 23 — Former South Korean president Roh Moo-hyun, a suspect in a corruption scandal that implicated his wife and family, apparently committed suicide Saturday by leaping from a mountain cliff near his rural home.
Roh, 62, died of head injuries while hiking in the early morning with a bodyguard. “He appears to have jumped from a mountain rock,” said Moon Jae-in, a lawyer who was Roh’s presidential chief of staff.
“The suffering caused by me is too great to too many people,” Roh wrote in a suicide note found soon after his death. “The suffering in store for the future is too much to bear. The remainder of my life will only be a burden to others.”
Roh, who left office last year after a five-year term, was questioned for nearly 13 hours late last month by prosecutors. They were investigating allegations that during his presidency he and members of his family accepted more than $6 million in bribes from a wealthy South Korean shoe manufacturer.
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TUESDAY VANDY GIRL
May 23rd, 2009
1:59 pm
I await the first lib-tards’ (one who has such concern for the rights and lives of Muslim enemies) wishes for President Bush / VP Cheney / Rove to do the same.
3….2….1…
Taxpayer
May 23rd, 2009
2:25 pm
Too late, Today’s Vanity Girl. You beat everyone to those thoughts. Nice to see where your mind takes you though.
getalife
May 23rd, 2009
2:43 pm
So, vandy girl turns a suicide into a partisan attack.
Pitiful but this is worse:
SHOCK: Passer-By Pushes Potential Suicide Jumper From Bridge In China.
Says He Was Fed Up With Jumper’s “Selfish Activity”.
Geez.
N.J,
May 23rd, 2009
2:55 pm
No, my only hope is that both Bush and Cheney wiil be brought to justice for their various crimes. Cheney has been obcessed since the Watergate investigations because he beleives that the president should be above the law, and it is obvious that the entire Iraq War was fomented to create the conditions under which American public, though fear, would cede massive powers to the presidency that really do not exist in the constitution but are merely infered by a group who hold an extremely radical legal interpretation of the constitution. Both Cheney and Bush have committed violations of treaties the United States has entered into which make them war criminals, even with the relative weaknesses that both the United States and Soviet Union inserted into them when they were written. Both the U.S. and Soviet Union wanted to make sure that they would not be constrained by these treated within their own spheres of influence, but in Iraq and Afghanistan, the United States has broken laws and rules well beyond those spheres of influence. Cheney is still ranting about the existance of WMD’s because if they did not exist, the United States invasion of Iraq is legally co-equal with Hitler’s invasion of Poland in 1939. If WMD’s did not exist, then the invasion of Iraq was in no way a “defensive war” which would be hard to make the case for anyway, as Iraq posed no immediate threat to the United States, and our regional allies did not feel particularly threatened by Iraq at the time and so did not really support the invasion. In this case it becomes totally a war of aggression and conquest, which subjects those who started it to the same conditions that the Nazis faced after World War II. The pretexts for invading Poland was that Poland militarily threatened Germany. No such threat existed, and Germany invaded Poland for its own national and economic interests, as the U.S. did in Iraq.
mike
May 23rd, 2009
2:59 pm
getalife complaining about a “partisan attack”. LOL
The hypocrisy never ends.
Midori
May 23rd, 2009
3:14 pm
mike calling getalife a hypocrite.
the irony never ends.
RW-(the original)
May 23rd, 2009
3:40 pm
Who writes these headlines? If the scandal involves his wife and family why would his death end the investigation?
the bull god
May 23rd, 2009
3:43 pm
ymmmmm. the big green egg is cooking the democrats perfectly.
juicy and pink in the middle.
mike's uncle
May 23rd, 2009
3:50 pm
Mike … at 2:59
Mike….eeeee! Wow! Talk about a ZINGER! Got anymore ZINGERs Mike…eee?
Anything of substance or do you just pop-in throw a quick ZINGER and pop-out!!!!!
Brad Steel
May 23rd, 2009
4:59 pm
Vandy Girl,
Is “Vandy” short for Vanderbilt?
That would explain how your couldn’t-get-into-an-ivy-inferiority complex manifest itself into hate and self-loathing.
You should get the know the Whiner. Much as you wear your questionable Vandy jersey, he claims to have gone to Duke.
You two elitist phonies stand a strong chance of winning the Noble for Advancements in Douchebagging.
the bull god
May 23rd, 2009
5:07 pm
I enjoy the first part of the mornin’
the smell of fresh ground coffee, eggs, bacon.
then you have to listen to liberals talk about how great it is to go to mac d’s or some other disgusting place.
oh the fresh smell. never again.
lwwmm7
May 23rd, 2009
5:20 pm
He was pushed by George Bush.
the bull god
May 23rd, 2009
5:22 pm
look how a word can get their panties in a wad. hahhahahahahha
clyde
May 23rd, 2009
5:23 pm
Roh says,”let someone else deal with it”.
Pogo
May 23rd, 2009
5:40 pm
Obama proclaims, “We are out of money”! You think? After watching him and his Democratic cronie’s in Congress power-drunk spending of this country’s taxpayer money in the first three months of this year, one has to wonder if we even have any semblance of a government at all. It appears that we have sunk about as low as we can and the average American has no representation at all in Washington. In the end, Soros (who basically got Obama elected) and his ilk will run from Obama like the wet, stinking rats they are. They want to dictate policy but they don’t want to shoulder the responsibility of the ramifcations of that policy if it turns out bad.
I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(
May 23rd, 2009
6:00 pm
I’m honestly surprised that the liberals haven’t said that it was the “honorable” thing to do, after all, they want to kill the kids of CEO’s with piano wire, and this saved them the troubles of stalking the dudes family.
But then again, the implications that would raise for Obozo, hahahahaha, aahhh, yes, so they remain silent.
A man was so desperate to avoid a parking ticket that he ran over an NYPD traffic cop before she could write it, breaking her legs and causing a head injury.
Now that is shocking, the me first, self indulgent liberal democrats in NY City performing a late term abortion so that they are not “punished.”
sick
TUESDAY VANDY GIRL
May 23rd, 2009
6:02 pm
I wonder if Brad Steel went to UGA?
What does a UGA grad say to a Vanderbilt grad?
A.”You want fries with that?”
B.”Would you like to subscribe to the AJC? we have a great deal for you!”
c. “yes, your honor”
D. all of the above
I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(
May 23rd, 2009
6:08 pm
I’m thinking B Weal went to Wesleyan.
eewwww
the bull god
May 23rd, 2009
6:13 pm
uga grad says: eat my shorts/
david wayne osedach
May 23rd, 2009
6:18 pm
You have to give the Asians credit for personal dignity and integrity.
If we practiced those beliefs here today…
Taxpayer
May 23rd, 2009
6:20 pm
What comes after Achmed the Terrorist? Pogo on a stick.
getalife
May 23rd, 2009
6:22 pm
I think if we implement China’s policy on corruption, we might be able to clean up the cesspool of washington but the partisan hacks will stay the course with bank owned congress.
liberal lucky
May 23rd, 2009
6:24 pm
hey.
first, we cancel our ajc subscription, care of amvet.
cancel ajc delivery.,
thanky you, for that note amvet.
I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(
May 23rd, 2009
6:27 pm
I spoke too soon.
eewwww
So when’s Obozo gonna cash himself in?
Acorn, the UAW, the democrat party, there is a wealth of evidence.
Oh, I guess that doesn’t matter, it only hurts the United States.
Mission accomplished, right?
liberal lucky
May 23rd, 2009
6:34 pm
obama be the man with the plan.
he can have all my savings cause hes the man with the plan (right?)
all my savings.
liberal lucky
May 23rd, 2009
6:36 pm
idiots
Adittohead
May 23rd, 2009
6:38 pm
TAKES BALLs to Jump off a high cliff…to your death–! !
Ray
May 23rd, 2009
6:45 pm
UGA grad says, “It’s not supposed to smell like that if you wash it.”
I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(
May 23rd, 2009
7:03 pm
SEVCA serves two rural counties with a combined total of a little over 40,000 households. If you wanted to stimulate the economy, you’d take every dime allocated to Windsor and Windham counties under ARRA and divide it between those households. But, if you want to stimulate bureaucracy, dependency and the metastasization of approved quasi-governmental interest-group monopolies as the defining features of American life, then ARRA is the way to go. Oh, you scoff: ARRA, go on, you’re only joking. I wish I were. We’re spending trillions we don’t have to create government programs to coordinate the application for funds to create more programs to spend even more trillions we don’t have.-Mark Steyn
Our whole country is jumping off a cliff.
Against it’s will.
Told ya.
I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(
May 23rd, 2009
7:06 pm
Gee, I wonder what SEVCA will be busy doing in Sept/ Oct 2012?
hahahaahahahahhahahaha.
Buh bye democracy.
hello third world dictatorship.
N.J,
May 23rd, 2009
7:09 pm
Depends on what it is spent on. Certainly the last eight years have demolished the concept that if you give it to the private sector, they will “trickle it down” by creating jobs and new businesses with tax cuts. Between 1980 and 2008, best estimates are that 4 percent of money given to the top two percent were used for job creation, expanding existing businesses or opening new ones. The finally created a term for what happens when you give the top a tax cut during the Bush tax cuts…”Jobless Recovery” was all the rage for several years after the second of the Bush tax cuts, and of course the last tax rebate he gave in early 2008 which was asserted would PREVENT a recession that Bush denied had already started in 2007, but which now all economists assert started six months before the Bush rebates in early 2008.
starting in 2003, the news media said of the Bush tax cuts:
The economy
Another Bush, another jobless recovery
May 8th 2003
From The Economist print edition
OF ALL the signs that America’s economy is sputtering, none is more striking than the jobs market. Overall unemployment, at 6%, is still relatively low, but this headline figure masks a much tougher reality. More than 500,000 jobs have disappeared in the past three months, pushing the total lost under George Bush above 2m. Long-term unemployment, at 1.9m, is at its highest for ten years. And these numbers do not include the large number of “discouraged workers” (people who would like to work but have given up looking) and the even larger number of “underemployed” (those who are working, but not as much as they would like to).
The weak jobs market is itself harming the chances of recovery. Consumers worried about losing their jobs are more likely to save their cash than spend it. And politically, the risks are even starker. George Bush senior famously lost the 1992 election during a jobless recovery. …
http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1772963
Tax cuts to the top are proven non starters when it comes to the economy. Until Obama started spending government money effectively, the private sector certainly wasnt doing so. People were pulling their money out of the stock market, the American savings rate fell into NEGATIVE territory for the first time in American history.
The idea that government spending is bad for the economy is an absurd one. One example was the government subsidies to farmers. Overall the government actually MADE money on that program because of the way it was set up. When market prices were too low, the government purchased grain and other food stocks that could be stored and saved, and when prices were high, the government sold anything in excess of the grain reserves it is required to keep by law. Of course the government also made money when the price of gasoline went up from the fees it collected from the petroleum industry to allow them to drill on public land, but Bush killed that source of government revenues, and the oil companies saw windfall profits over the last few years that hit historical highs as well. One type of agricultural subsidy:
The government also subsidizes agriculture through nonrecourse loans. With this type of subsidy, the government loans money to farmers using the farmers’ future harvest as collateral. The government sets a per-bushel loan rate at which farmers can borrow money prior to harvest, so that they can hold their crops for later sale when the market price rises. The government determines how much a farmer can borrow by multiplying the loan rate (which is usually equal to the government target price for the crop) by the farmer’s base acreage (which is determined by calculating the number of acres the farmer planted of a target crop over several years, and multiplying that total by the farmer’s average yield). The crop is the collateral for the loan, and the farmer can either repay the loan in cash and sell the crop, or default and forfeit the crop to the government. If the market price is lower than the loan rate or target price, or if the farmer’s actual production rate is below the farmer’s base acreage rate, the government’s only recourse for recouping part of its loan is to take the collateral crop. This subsidy is used primarily for corn and wheat, with a modified form of the program applying to soybeans, rice, and cotton.
http://www.answers.com/topic/agricultural-subsidy
Since the reduction of agricultural subsidies, food prices, rather than coming down, as asserted by conservatives,with their simplistic ideas about free markets, have gone up overall.
The unregulated free market has failed in big ways, many times in the United States. Before FDR, there was an economic recession or depression every ten years or so in the United States. Half of every decade was spent in recovery. The greatest period of economic growth in the United States of course, occured between 1950 and 1979 where annual growth of GDP rose at 3.9 percent per year. The entire world economy mirrored the U.S. economy, growing at the same rates. While FDR was president the economy had an average rate of growth of close 50 six percent per year, and that includes the period of recovery from the Great Depression, when GDP slowed its collape from -13.4 percent in 1932, Hoovers last year, to -2.6 percent in FDR’s first partial year 1933, GDP increased by 7.7 percent in 1934, 8.1 percent in 1935, and 144 percent in 1936. When Roosevelt temporarily put the New Deal on hold in the attempt to balance the budget, the GDP slowed up again, but still stayed in positive territory growing 5 percent in 37. When the conservative Supreme Court declared the New Deal programs unconstitutional and put them on hold in 1938, the economy went into recession, dropping 4.5 percent that year. In 1939, Congress reinstated FDR’s New Deal spending, because stopping it sent the nation directly into recession again, the economy expanded again with the GNP growing at roughly the same rate as it had in Roosevelts first full year of New Deal spending. 1939 saw another 7.9 percent growth in the economy.
Before World War II started, Roosevelts New Deal had recovered ALL of the contraction that had occured in GDP that occured between 1929 and 1932 (the total contraction in the economy between ‘29 and ‘32 years was 31.3 percent)
By 1938, if you INCLUDE the 1938 contraction of 4.5 percent, FDR’s economic programs expanded the GNP by a total of 30.4 percent close to complete recovery. Add in the 7.9 percent growth of 1939 and you end up with a total increase in GNP of 38.3 percent by the year WWII started, in his first two terms FDR had reversed all the economic losses that occured in the first three years of Hoover’s Republican “keep government out of the economy” ideas, plus an additional 7 percent growth while cutting unemployment in half. By the time the United States ENTERED WWII at the end of 1941, unemployment was down to around 9 percent.
Also unemployment went up every year between 1929 and 1932, by huge amounts annually, but went down every year under Roosevelt except for that catastrophic year when the Supreme Court declared the New Deal unconstitutional and in a single year unemployment went up from 14.18 percent, to 18.19 percent. As soon as the New Deal was reinstated in 1939, unemployment dropped to 17.05 percent, by 1940 to 14.45 percent (exactly where it was the year before the courts stopped the New Deal spending programs and by 1941 down to 9.66 percent. Total job recovery went from 24.75 percent on the day that Roosevelt took office, to 9.66 percent on the day that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, well before the United States started its own defense buildup when it entered the war.
Republicans are great at rewriting history but there is absolutely zero evidence that the economy would have recovered on its own if FDR followed the same “laissez faire” policies of Hoover. If anything, there is significant evidence that the economy would have collapsed even further, as the wealthy who still had money showed no signs of re-opening companies even before FDR was elected, no signs of investing in the Wall Street Markets.
To the contrary, there is significant evidence that Keysianism worked very well, and Roosevelt was too cautious about deficit spending. Sweden which was as deeply in depression, perhaps deeper between 1929 and 1932 finally decided to follow Keynes recommendations to FDR and put a go into a huge amount of deficit spending, 45 percent of the national GDP, spending it on creating government jobs, government welfare programs etc. By 1933, the Swedish Depression was over, by 1934 their economy had expanded 7 percent beyond its high point on the day of the U.S. Market collapse in 1929.
Everyplace where Keynesian ideas were put into place to the degree Keynes recommended, the economic depressions ended. The higher the deficit spending on the public, rather than business, the sooner the depression ended. Everytime, everywhere it was put into action, it worked exactly as Keynes methods predicted.
Before Keynes, the only time deficit spending was allowed by the economists of his day, was in war time. Keynes was aware that defense spending effects a limited portion of any economy. He decided that there was no reason that deficit spending in time of peace and spread over the entire economy should not be as effective as the limited war time deficit spending.
And to put it simply, for the entire period in which Keynsianism was followed, there was constant high growth of GDP, no business cycle at all, and the wealth of the entire nation expanded to heights thought inpossible beforehand. Keynsian economics CREATED the middle class
I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(
May 23rd, 2009
7:10 pm
The mission of Southeastern Vermont Community Action (SEVCA) is “to enable people to cope with, and reduce the hardships of poverty; create sustainable self-sufficiency; and reduce the causes and move toward the elimination of poverty.
SEVCA gives people the knowledge, tools, and support to break the cycle of dependence, and works to find solutions to the deep-seated problems of poverty, largely by empowering and collaborating with those whose lives are affected by it daily.
In Vermont?
GTF out here.
Interesting undertaking that I know the Urinal or any other hack propaganda outlet will ever burden themselves with- Check to see how many names from this new SEVCA match up perfectly with the local DNC chapter.
How about that, do the Chinese know they are funding democrat party political activity?
I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(
May 23rd, 2009
7:14 pm
No wonder the dollar is collapsing, what return is there on SEVCA funding, unless you are a crack dealer or a pimp?
As always, I have been vindicated, bookman scoffed and despite that it still came true.
I rule you.
catlady
May 23rd, 2009
7:26 pm
Honor? What a startling idea! Taking responsibility? What a startling idea! Blaming others isn’t a purely American invention, but you must admit we have doubled it and raised it to the next higher power.
liberal lucky
May 23rd, 2009
7:41 pm
please cut off nj.
enough is enough
liberal lucky
May 23rd, 2009
7:44 pm
how many cats do you have catlady, ? I have 3 cats
my cats say bush is not guilty.
liberal lucky
May 23rd, 2009
7:56 pm
3 cats
TUESDAY VANDY GIRL
May 23rd, 2009
8:01 pm
Catlady, If we want to have a REAl standard of HONOR in the United States, then anyone accepting social welfare benefits should kill themselves. They bring shame to their family honor, Daniel-sohn!
Brad Steel
May 23rd, 2009
8:06 pm
I don’t know what a UGA would say to VANDY grad, especially an all caps VANDY grad who obviously only went for a TUESDAY (congratulations).
But this GED equivalency certificate holder would have to answer “E”.
E. Do you want me to wipe that off your face?
Ray
May 23rd, 2009
8:12 pm
Early results from the Beard and Mustache Competion in Anchorage: Late entry, Manteats in Black, upsets Palin in the bearded clam category.
eewww
Linville
May 23rd, 2009
8:30 pm
I hate to jump completely off the subject but Jay’s on vacation and this particular subject is boring.
Anybody want to talk about closing Gitmo?
I’m a conservative who has believed for the last five years that we need to close that place…it’s not helping us win the war and it is a great recruiting tool for al Quida.
If we have to bring all the prisoners to the US to get it closed I can live with that.
Ms. G or anybody else with a little sense out there?
Brad Steel
May 23rd, 2009
8:38 pm
Linville,
As a self-identified conservative, your Guantanimo position is heretical. Like many self-labeled conservatives, many of your positions don’t match with the labeling.
IMHO, drop the label keep your positions.
Ray
May 23rd, 2009
8:41 pm
There’s another Ray on this blog and we do not share the same opinions. On this Memorial Day weekend, let us take time to remember the 104,396 American men who are buried on French, Dutch and UK soil who gave the supreme sacrifice to protect Europe from falling into the hands of the Germans. All of them would be turning in their graves to hear Mr. Wonderful apologize for America’s reluctance to establish a “world community” where everyone will like us. He should save all of this self adulation for someone who cares. This Ray certainly does not.
Midori
May 23rd, 2009
8:47 pm
so, are you the racist Ray, or the sensible one?
Linville
May 23rd, 2009
8:51 pm
Not a chance. All the spending going on is idiotic, all the talk of moving away from capitalism is nuts.
Problem is, we’ve forgotten what “conservative” means. True conservatives are pragmatic and do some critical thinking about our problems. Modern “conservatives” don’t bother with that, they have a set bunch of “ideas” that drive thinking.
I gave up being Republican because it got wrapped around the axle on Christian Right “ideas” and stopped looking for good answers.
So, Brad, what’s wrong with closing Gitmo?
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
May 23rd, 2009
8:53 pm
Wonder what Nancy Pelatio thinks of this guy?
Linville
May 23rd, 2009
8:55 pm
Don’t know. But I’m gonna crank the grill if the rain stops. Think she’d be tasty with enough sauce?
Kamchak
May 23rd, 2009
8:59 pm
Linville
Speaking for only one liberal, I’m with you. We are however, cursed with politicians of both parties unwilling/unable to deal with this lose/lose scenario. The politics of fear and NIMBY will keep these two sides in conflict.
TW
May 23rd, 2009
9:02 pm
Way to, Ray, give yourself a big pat on the back. Your support for our troops in overwhelming, kinda like the ‘Christian’ who gives everyone the finger all week, but then goes to Church on Sunday AM to make it all OK.
You were part of the filth that got 4000+ of our finest needlessly killed in Iraq. Take your faux patriotism and sell it to the morons on the FOX blog.
godless heathen
May 23rd, 2009
9:14 pm
N.J.,
Could you just change your handle to Scroll Down?
It would save us a second or two.