A compelling account of U.S. soldiers under fire

A little more than a month ago, the New York Times ran a startling first-person account of an ambush of U.S. personnel in Afghanistan. It was probably the most compelling such account I’ve read of action in the post-9/11 fighting. It was reported by C.J. Shivers, with photography by Tyler Hicks. Both were traveling with the Army unit when it was attacked.

Hicks has since posted a narrated slide show of the attack, along with video and other material. A U.S. soldier, Pfc. Richard Dewater, was killed in the attack.

With Memorial Day weekend upon us, take a few moments and share, as much as possible, in what some of our folks in uniform are going through.

140 comments Add your comment

Scooter

May 21st, 2009
4:05 pm

What are fighting for? I don’t give a damn. Next stop is Pakistan.
Best wishes to our Forces!

Scooter

May 21st, 2009
4:11 pm

What are we fighting for? I don’t give a damn. Next stop is Pakistan.
Best wishes to our troups!!

TW

May 21st, 2009
4:11 pm

In return for the soldier making the ultimate sacrifice, the electorate is charged with making sure this only becomes necessary when its safety is legitimately threatened.

May God Bless the soldiers – and forgive the electorate.

ty webb

May 21st, 2009
4:15 pm

Gripping story and slide show. Thanks for the peek into what our guys are facing. God Bless them.

garrat77

May 21st, 2009
4:20 pm

As a retired vet who has been there I say to my brothers keep your head down and I will keep you in my heart while on knees with prayers to the almighty for your safe return to your family

jewcowboy

May 21st, 2009
4:22 pm

“It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died.
Rather we should thank God that such men lived.”

George S. Patton

And the women who have made the ultimate sacrifice for their country as well.

Hillbilly Deluxe

May 21st, 2009
4:25 pm

Reminds me of a WWII relative of mine. He saw heavy action at Normandy and the Battle of the Bulge with the 82nd Airborne. I never heard him talk about it but a couple times but I remember him saying, “We didn’t know what it was about and we didn’t care; we were just fighting to keep each other alive.” I think there’s a lot of truth in that in any war.

getalife

May 21st, 2009
4:50 pm

They had no idea where to return fire.

Three more killed in Iraq and the Sunnis are on the offense.

Geez.

SC Birdflyte

May 21st, 2009
5:08 pm

Let’s also not forget the large number of women who have served and are serving in war theaters. Bless ‘em all.

Bud Wiser

May 21st, 2009
5:28 pm

The military is what composes the spine in the body of our country. God bless them all, their families and friends, and prayers always for quick and safe returns home.

Equally, may God eternally damn those who are working on a daily basis to destroy the framework of support for our troops, the intelligence community. May there be a special place in hell for Nancy Pelosi and her ilk.

On a lighter note:
“N.J,

May 21st, 2009
3:15 pm

At best, illegal aliens make up one half of one percent of the population of the United States, and at best only half of these are Mexicans.

Even your ignorant democratic drones admitted last fall prior to the election that there were anywhere from 20 to 40 million illegals in the US (wanting to give them biscuits and blankets, for future votes no doubt). Fast math makes that an estimated 15 to 30 %, as opposed to your .2%

Get a life Chad, and a brain. Take your drivel and dribble elsewhere, stupidity like that is welcome no where in the intelligent part of the universe.

TW

May 21st, 2009
5:29 pm

getalife – and now the Sunni are well equipped with the arsenal ‘w’ bought them.

And not having ‘w’ there to pay them hush money has made them a little cranky.

jt

May 21st, 2009
5:33 pm

Pfc Richard Dewater’s single life was worth 10 times more than the lives of all 500 some odd members of our current corrupt congress.

Bud Wiser

May 21st, 2009
5:40 pm

From a friend: Words can be very harmful to those who have sacrificed much. Here is a little history lesson…our European “arrogance” in alphabetical order. Europeans have forgotten WW II history very quickly.

1. The American Cemetery at Aisne-Marne, France. A total of 2289 of our military dead. And our president apologizes?

2. The American Cemetery at Ardennes, Belgium. A total of 5329 of our dead.

3. The American Cemetery at Brittany, France. A total of 4410 of our military dead. Excuse us?

4. Brookwood, England American Cemetery. A total of 468 of our dead.

5. Cambridge, England. 3812 of our military dead.

6. Epinal, France American Cemetery. A total of 5525 of our Military dead.

7. Flanders Field, Belgium. A total of 368 of our military.

8. Florence, Italy. A total of 4402 of our military dead.

9. Henri-Chapelle, Belgium. A total of 7992 of our military dead.

10. Lorraine, France. A total of 10,489 of our military dead.

11. Luxembourg, Luxembourg. A total of 5076 of our military dead.

12. Meuse-Argonne. A total of 14246 of our military dead

13. Netherlands, Netherlands. A total of 8301 of our military dead.

14. Normandy, France. A total of 9387 of our military dead.

15. Oise-Aisne, France. A total of 6012 of our military dead.

16. Rhone, France. A total of 861 of our military dead

17. Sicily, Italy. A total of 7861 of our military dead.

18. Somme, France. A total of 1844 of our military dead.

19. St. Mihiel, France. A total of 4153 of our military dead.

20. Suresnes, France. a total of 1541 of our military dead.

Without the entrance into WW II by the United States, Europe would not look today the way it does. The individual countries are still individual countries because of America’s entrance into the war and the sacrifices of the thousands of the men in the cemeteries above and here at home.

Yet, apparently many Europeans have forgotten that fact. And it looks, according to his comments, as if Obama knows nothing of the history of WW II. America owes no one an apology, especially Europeans. Many Europeans have turned into an ungrateful lot who have forgotten the sacrifices of America to save them from the Axis powers of Hitler and Mussolini.

Apologize to no one. Remind them of our sacrifice, and don’t confuse arrogance with leadership. If added correctly, the count is 104,366 dead and we have to watch an ignorant American elected leader apologize to Europe and the Middle East that our country is “arrogant”?

Disgraceful.

I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(

May 21st, 2009
5:44 pm

What, they didn’t blow up any babies?

Are you sure this was US soldiers?

I’m so confused.

jt

May 21st, 2009
5:45 pm

I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(

May 21st, 2009
5:48 pm

Fifty-five percent of people questioned in the poll say they have an unfavorable opinion of the former vice president. Thirty-seven percent say they have a favorable opinion of Cheney, up eight points from January when he left office.

Two weeks since he started tormenting Obozo, eight point rise, any of you other Repugs see a pattern here?

Go git em, boys.

bwa

md

May 21st, 2009
5:51 pm

From the narration:

“and we returned fire……accurately”

Poor guy sounded a little pc there. Must be he11 having to fight a war and worry about how you keep yourself alive without saying something the pc brigade will seize for future ammunition.

The pc crowd on here, and you know who you are, should be ashamed of themselves for hamstringing these guys and gals. War is hard enough without having to worry about the extra cr@p on top of it.

My condolences to Pfc Dewater and his family.

Tom

May 21st, 2009
5:56 pm

Kinda sad, Jay. Truth and accuracy and experience are not things of which to fear/bury. We have more than enough of that already. The old reality-eraser and truth/thinking-filter is in a heavy hand this day. Wouldn’t want any accuracy to seep in. Wouldn’t be “patriotic.” Or “Christian.” Goodnite.

Taxpayer

May 21st, 2009
6:03 pm

We need more Generals and more Congressmen over there — side by side with men like Pfc Dewater.

I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(

May 21st, 2009
6:05 pm

They had no idea where to return fire.

getathejoke- That’s real dramatic but I think the biggest reason they had no idea where to return fire is because there were like no Taliban around to fire on.

I know you libs have no clue about combat, so allow me to explain, the Taliban busted an IED on that brave young man, if it was they who carried his body there may have been two of them. Your first clue is most photographers do not wander around a bullet filled battlefield taking random combat pictures like those dudes did. They would have been trying to become one with the Earth.

Second clue, the only gun fire heard was M16A2 on full auto, nary an AK47 issued a report.

Pfc Dewater’s big mistake, and believe me, I hate that we do not properly train our soldiers anymore, this is the kind of thing where the liberal’s cultural experimentation with our fighting force really shows it’s ugly head- he walked across the log bridge instead walking through the water or making their own crossing; the enemy will always booby trap a choke point like that.

God rest his soul.

jewcowboy

May 21st, 2009
6:05 pm

Jeez,

Some of you who post on here are so pitiable. You can’t leave politics out of one post to honor our soldiers. Say thank you, show your respect, and save your partisan drivel for other places.

Curious Observer

May 21st, 2009
6:21 pm

Amen! jewcowboy. We don’t need political diatribes when it comes to honoring our war dead.

@@

May 21st, 2009
6:25 pm

jewcowboy:

It was the dems and anti-war liberals that turned the war into political theater.

I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(

May 21st, 2009
6:29 pm

WARSAW, May 18 (Reuters) – Poland expects a U.S. Patriot battery to be deployed on its soil in 2009 regardless of whether President Barack Obama opts to press ahead with missile defence plans in Europe, a senior defence official said on Monday.

Obozo the war monger.

Taxpayer

May 21st, 2009
6:39 pm

Scooter,

Didn’t that tune start off with something like: “One, Two, Three, Four, What are we fightin’ for…”

jewcowboy

May 21st, 2009
6:42 pm

@@,

The men and women who are dying in these places are not Democrats nor Republicans, they are Soldiers of the United States of America, fighting for every single one of us.

@@

May 21st, 2009
6:53 pm

jewcowboy:

Agreed!

I just find it odd that your side will use the opportunity to disparage them every day except Memorial and Veterans Day.

When I reflect back on articles at the NYT, it seemed as though they, themselves, were at war with our military and the cause for which they fought.

Supporters when convenient — that’s the NYT.

Curious Observer

May 21st, 2009
7:06 pm

Ah, yes. “At war with our military.” Perhaps a little reading of history would reveal that millions of Americans during WW II didn’t even want combat veterans to come home. Such “Americans” expressed fear that these “trained killers” would create havoc once they returned to civilized society. Don’t even try to pretend that there has ever been political unity in any war.

I’m sick of @@, Dusty, and all the other “patriots” who will use military personnel when they’re needed to clinch a political point but wouldn’t even consider joining the military themselves. When I served in the USMC there were thousands of women Marines. Where were you when your country needed you? Or were you one of those who “couldn’t follow orders well,” as one blogger stated downstairs as an excuse for not joining?

You have the right to express your view–a right secured by millions of veterans and active duty military personnel. But don’t try to claim the high ground. In the words of one blogger downstairs, some of you are “lower than whale gravy.”

jewcowboy

May 21st, 2009
7:09 pm

@@,

My side is that of the United States. Perhaps if more concentrated on that and less on pointing fingers and calling names we could find a way to bring these soldiers home.

I find it personally appaling people on either side of the aisle would use these brave people as a excuse to espouse their partisan hackery.

Scooter

May 21st, 2009
7:13 pm

Tax payer@ 6:39
Yes it did ! You must be as old as I am.

@@

May 21st, 2009
7:31 pm

Curious Observer:

Obama’s Janet Napoletano (sp?) recently felt the same way about our returning troops. Suspected that they were ticking time bombs just waiting to explode, she did.

Where was I when my country needed me? I was waiting for my husband to return from overseas. I was taking care of his nephew while he was on tour.

I’m sick of @@

I can tell ’cause you’re barfing.

jewcowboy:

My husband’s cousin who fought in the infantry — Vietnam — has never forgiven the politicians for caving to the anti-war activists. Said they were on their way to winning that war but were forced to leave and witness the slaughter.

He’s not weird or anything, just disillusioned with politicians.

There was an attorney who served with me on jury duty a couple of weeks ago. He said the same thing. What really upset him was the level of disrespect he was shown upon his arrival back “home”.

Also another guy on jury duty. He was presently in and looking to retire in six. He said we should have left Saddam in charge. His words, not mine “Animals need animals to lead them.”

getalife

May 21st, 2009
7:32 pm

Sounded like AK rounds Andy.

Our troops were running for cover and not returning fire.

RW-(the original)

May 21st, 2009
7:34 pm

jewcowboy has a point about trying to keep the politics out of this post, but Jay B should also toss something else up so that this post could remain respectful and there would still be somewhere for our squabbles.

God bless all of our men and women in uniform.

@@

May 21st, 2009
7:34 pm

I think it went like this:

1…2…3 What are we fightin’ 4?

@@

May 21st, 2009
7:37 pm

God bless all of our men and women in uniform.

Always, RW.

DB, Gwinnettian

May 21st, 2009
7:41 pm

Like Ty said.

I spent a good portion of this evening on the porch watching my flag waving in the breeze, thinking about this post and why we’re doing what we’re doing. I’m still not sure of the why. I hope we’re there for a good reason. And that’s all I’ll say about that.

DB, Gwinnettian

May 21st, 2009
7:42 pm

And our president apologizes?

Hey Andy? GFY.

George American

May 21st, 2009
7:47 pm

God bless the military. They are ready, willin’ and able to serve our country with their lives. They are better than those who will not sacrifice for America like say the so-called “President” (yours not mine).

For those anti-military, anti-American haters (aka “liberals”), I hope you have a run in with me or one of my military brothers one day.

Semper Fi.

Scooter

May 21st, 2009
7:51 pm

Thanks for uniting most here Jay! United We Stand.

Taxpayer

May 21st, 2009
7:52 pm

DB,

I think it’s difficult to get re-adjusted to what we should be fighting for after all those years of doing the wrong thing in Iraq. We were supposed to be going after terrorists and their leaders — the ones that attacked us — from day one.

Taxpayer

May 21st, 2009
7:53 pm

George, George, George of the Jungle…Watch out for that TREEEEEEE. Splat.

George American

May 21st, 2009
7:56 pm

Thanks for mocking the military, haters. Your day will come.

I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(

May 21st, 2009
7:57 pm

Sounded like AK rounds Andy.

getathejoke- That was Cheney shooting his mouth off at Obozo that you heard, hahahahaha.

He f’ed y’all up, didn’t he?

Obozo is a small, stupid, whiny little manchild.

I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(

May 21st, 2009
8:00 pm

getalife

May 21st, 2009
8:03 pm

Andy,

The dems deserve it for not investigating torture.

Looks like you finally found your leader.

Good luck with that in 10.

TW

May 21st, 2009
8:04 pm

“It was the dems and anti-war liberals that turned the war into political theater.”

Yes, stick your head in the sand and worship your maker, ‘w’ the republican – your daddy, your savior. Undying devotion to the GOP GOD if there ever was one.

You funny teabaggers :)

jewcowboy

May 21st, 2009
8:04 pm

@@,

“My husband’s cousin who fought in the infantry — Vietnam — has never forgiven the politicians for caving to the anti-war activists.”

Funny, my Father, who fought in the same conflict never forgave the politicians who used Vietnam as a platform to get re-elected. We all have our own realities, and really should not judge where someone else is coming from without walking in their shoes.

jewcowboy

May 21st, 2009
8:08 pm

George America,

“For those anti-military, anti-American haters (aka “liberals”), I hope you have a run in with me or one of my military brothers one day.”

Both my Father and Grandfather served in the Army in Vietnam and WWII respectively, and are blue as they come. Thanks for trying to disparage their service to this country.

jewcowboy

May 21st, 2009
8:11 pm

George American,

“They are better than those who will not sacrifice for America like say the so-called “President” (yours not mine).”

I assume you are renouncing your citizenship.

jewcowboy

May 21st, 2009
8:13 pm

George American,

“Thanks for mocking the military, haters. Your day will come.’

Are you talking about your own posts?

George American

May 21st, 2009
8:15 pm

You liberals are so funny.

Yeah, my family members too served. And some of best friends are jews too.

TW

May 21st, 2009
8:17 pm

Typical rightwing – squat on the soldiers all year round except for the production of a symbolic tear on Memorial Day.

Kinda’ like givin’ everyone the finger all week, but droppin’ a ten in the plate on Sunday?

Yup. Funny teabaggin’ bogus patriots :)

jewcowboy

May 21st, 2009
8:18 pm

George American,

“And some of best friends are jews too.”

Good for you. Do you want a gold star?

@@

May 21st, 2009
8:38 pm

jewcowboy:

You’re mistaken if you think I’m judging anyone.

It was you who came in passing judgment on comments made. Admonishing those who would bring politics into the moment.

All I said was that democrats and anti-war activists have spent the last six plus years using the war (being fought by our troops) to engage in political theater.

Your admonishment comes late and selectively.

That’s all.

jewcowboy

May 21st, 2009
8:45 pm

@@,

“You’re mistaken if you think I’m judging anyone”

“All I said was that democrats and anti-war activists have spent the last six plus years using the war (being fought by our troops) to engage in political theater.”

Certainly no judgement there.

@@

May 21st, 2009
8:50 pm

How dangerous is a man who has nothing to lose?

Very!

That’s Dick Cheney.

Anybody see the press coverage of Netanyahu and Obama?

Netanyahu with that intense eye contact. Obama couldn’t even look at BeBe. Upon his return to Israel?

Uzi Arad, national security adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, said May 21 that Israel reserves the right to mount operations against Iran’s nuclear facilities without forewarning the United States, the Jerusalem Post reported, citing a radio interview with Arad. Arad said Netanyahu had made it clear to the United States’ “most senior figures” that “Israel reserves operational freedom” in dealing with Iran. And then…

Israel’s air force on May 21 completed a four-day exercise meant to test its ability to counter rockets and missiles launched from the Gaza Strip, Lebanon, Syria or Iran, Agence France-Presse reported, citing an unnamed Israeli military official. The drill marks the first time Israel has simulated attacks from Iran, though it did not simulate an Israeli strike against Iran, the official said. Foreign media had reported that Israel had held exercises to simulate a strike on Iranian nuclear sites.

@@

May 21st, 2009
8:57 pm

jewcowboy:

Certainly no judgment there.

Unfortunately for you, it’s an undeniable truth.

Call it an observation…an acknowledgement…a reporting of the facts…a recognition of free speech.

In no way was it intended as judgment.

Why so defensive?

jewcowboy

May 21st, 2009
9:00 pm

For those who care about our soldiers and would like to express your thanks for everything they do, I would suggest becoming involved with the USO. They are great organization and provide many wonderful services. I have been involved with them for about 5 years, and have only wonderful things to say about them. http://www.uso.org/

jewcowboy

May 21st, 2009
9:07 pm

@@,

“Why so defensive?’

Because Republicans do not have ownership of our military, patriotism and concern for our country, and I resent those who portray the state of affairs that way. You do a great disservice to all those who serve by calling into question the commitment to this country of those who may disagree with you.

TW

May 21st, 2009
9:10 pm

9:00 – post of the evening.

Gee, why haven’t the teabagger’s put forth such a post?

jewcowboy

May 21st, 2009
9:13 pm

Anyway, good night and Godspeed to all those serving their country far from home, as well as to those who are missing them tonight.

@@

May 21st, 2009
9:15 pm

If you live in the Atlanta area, don’t forget the USO at HJIA.

Some retired couples from my church volunteer there.

They’ve got a great area on the third floor/atrium for the kids.

AmVet

May 21st, 2009
9:18 pm

jewcowboy, great call at 9:00.

And an even better response at 9:07.

Yours is a very welcome and calm voice of reason here…

Mrs. Godzilla

May 21st, 2009
9:19 pm

Thanks and prayers….for Pop, who pulls out brittle National Geographic maps of the south seas to tell me of his experience
and to Mr. G. – who does not speak of his.

For all who serve, you are my American Idols.

@@

May 21st, 2009
9:24 pm

Because Republicans do not have ownership of our military, patriotism and concern for our country

I don’t recall every saying they did.

Good grief!

I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(

May 21st, 2009
9:48 pm

Gates was in the crowd for Obama’s national security speech. Pointing him out, the president said “William Gates” was on hand. Perhaps Obama was thinking of Bill Gates, the Microsoft billionaire.

President Airhead.

eewwwwwwww

Linville

May 21st, 2009
9:49 pm

Bud Wiser

May 21st, 2009
5:40 pm

Bud, I visited Normandy to visit the cemetary a few years ago. It was moving, my family won’t forget the sacrifices the US made.

We’re not the only ones who made sacrifices for Europe’s freedom. Returning from the cemetary we stopped at a church in Caen. A sign posted in the foyer said (in English, for a change), “In honor of the one million English soldiers who died on French soil during WWI and WWII.” Think about that, one MILLION.

I’m proud of what we did in WWI and WWII. I’ll remember those soldiers with respect this weekend. And I beleive we have the best military in the history of the world.

Where I differ with you is that I don’t so much like our recent use of military power. Neither do the Europeans. You interpret their disagreement as forgetting what we did for them. I don’t, I see them as having different ideas about how to fight this war. We, at least during the Bush administration, decided not to listen. That’s proving to have been a mistake.

Obama is right to court world opinion. He can win more there than we could win losing another 5,000 soldiers in a shooting war. We have to eat a little crow, but we deserve some.

Mrs. Godzilla

May 21st, 2009
10:15 pm

One more compelling account, in 100 seconds:

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2568306&ref=fpblg

Josh Marshall and the folks at TPM do a great job.

Bud Wiser

May 21st, 2009
10:17 pm

The Europeans not only disagree with us, they fail at virtually every level to support us.

On anything.

Too bad we can’t turn back the clock and let them fend off the Hun on their own.

Ungrateful, cowardly pricks are getting what is coming to them now from the Muslims (see Madrid, Paris, etc.). The sand trash sees weakness, and attacks relentlessly. If the prey had the nreve to stand up and fight for themselves just ONCE, the Muslims wouls still just be killing each other over territorial rights, like they have for centuries.

Linville

May 21st, 2009
10:26 pm

Bud,

You’re missing the point that people respond to our actions. You think the Taliban will get scared and go away. I think they get mad and have an easier time getting uninformed people to strap on the vest.

Look at Pakistan to see that people who are attacked will change their opinion. The general population has turned against the Taliban. They don’t seem to be complaining about the drones like they used to, do they?

If we can get more of the middle east acting like Pakastanis we’re going to be stronger. Obama knows he can’t change the Taliban–at least the hard core. But if he can turn the populace against them they have nowhere to hide or recruit. It’s like Agent Orange.

Getting there won’t be fast or easy. But I still say winning with words is cheaper than winning with soldiers.

Close Gitmo!

Mrs. Godzilla

May 21st, 2009
10:39 pm

Linville,

Wow. Wonderfully put.

clyde

May 21st, 2009
10:42 pm

George American had friends that served.My friends and I served together.

godless heathen

May 21st, 2009
10:48 pm

jewcowboy,

“Sorry but that is a throw away comment. Easily said with nothing to back it up but emotion. When you lose the ideals you are fighting for, why should you continue to fight? For revenge, an eye for an eye?”

To protect the American people. But Obama won’t release the memos that detail the effectiveness of the EITs now will he?

“As Americans we should be better than that. Did the U.S. torture POW’s in WWII?”

POW’s no. Those captured out of uniform, who knows? We know they were lined up and shot, which is ok as long as they weren’t waterboarded or has scary caterpillars placed in their cells.

During WWII, the hero of the left, FDR, incarcerated US citizens soley based on their race. Different war, different times.

Bud Wiser

May 21st, 2009
10:53 pm

DB, Gwinnettian

May 21st, 2009
7:42 pm

And our president apologizes?

Hey Andy? GFY.

I’d say the same back at you, but you stick it in your mouth every time you open it, so no need.

Idiot with no intelligence resorting to vulgarity is the way of stupid liberals. You also make that point every time you open that sorry pie hole; kiss your mother with that mouth did you?

Disgusting piece of trash.

godless heathen

May 21st, 2009
10:57 pm

Nice presentation from the NY Times.

Linville

May 21st, 2009
11:10 pm

Thanks, Ms. G.

Waiting to hear what Bud thinks.

Linville

May 21st, 2009
11:15 pm

I wait no more…the bed won’t wait.

@@

May 21st, 2009
11:24 pm

Wouldn’t hurt to know a little more about Pfc Richard Dewater.

Thanks guys! You’re the best of the best. At the top of my list when offering up daily prayer.

TnGelding

May 22nd, 2009
2:43 am

I salute the fallen warriors and those currently serving their CinC, and apologize for the politicians that led them to an early grave and have them in harms way.

Lord, give them the wisdom and courage to refuse to participate in the immoral carnage by challenging the legality of their deployment. They took an oath to defend this country and its constitution, not topple dictators and rogue regimes in far away lands.

To paraphrase Muhammed Ali, I ain’t got not quarrel with no Taliban.

Al Qaeda has been strengthened by their presence in Muslim countries, and will fight until the end of time.

How many more of them have to die, along with Iraqi, Afghan and Pakistani women and children before reason and sanity overcome revenge and fear?

TnGelding

May 22nd, 2009
2:50 am

To paraphrase Muhammed Ali, I ain’t got no quarrel with no Taliban.

Jay rules Andy

May 22nd, 2009
6:33 am

I don’t need the slide show. My younger brother has done three tours in Iraq, the second ended with the explosion of an IED outside his Humvee. After a year of rehab which included much surgery and a good bit of titanium, he reenlisted and qualified for flight school.

Now he’s in Afghanistan flying Cobras.

DB, Gwinnettian

May 22nd, 2009
7:15 am

TP says: I think it’s difficult to get re-adjusted to what we should be fighting for after all those years of doing the wrong thing in Iraq.

That’s part of it, I guess.

Another source of angst is this tacit acknowledgment by the current Administration that there should be a “war on terror” even though they don’t call it that. Are we deploying our military because it’s the essential thing to do in order to preserve-protect-defend our Constitution, or are we doing so because that’s what we’ve become accustomed to doing?

Linville

May 22nd, 2009
7:26 am

Bud,

Thanks. I did reach a bit on the response. But the connection is there: we have a tendancy to think the military response should be the first response. I think it should be the last.

And I’m all with you about the curse you got.

Jay, I’ve been reading this blog for about a week. The slop some people post is embarassing. One has to slog through it to get to the meaningful writers like Bud.

Too bad.

Obozo

May 22nd, 2009
7:28 am

NEWBURGH, N.Y. —- The four men were ex-convicts who envisioned themselves as holy warriors, ambitious enough to concoct a plot to blow up synagogues and military planes, authorities said.

But they were amateurs. They had trouble finding guns. One was a convicted purse snatcher, another smoked marijuana the day the plot was to be carried out.-Urinal/Jihad

I know, let’s move some hardcore cut throats from Gitmo into US prisons and the we’ll be able to train clowns like this alot better.

Brother Ackmed can show them what a real bomb looks like!

Allah Akbar!

Yes we can!

Obozo

May 22nd, 2009
7:34 am

UAW agrees to deal with GM-Urinal/Pravda

Here, it’s all yours.

Allah Akbar!

Yes we can!

DB, Gwinnettian

May 22nd, 2009
7:37 am

Linville says: One has to slog through it to get to the meaningful writers like Bud.

Yeah, nothing says “meaningful” like referring to Muslims as “Sand Trash.”

Here’s another bit of meaningful prose from the never-vulgar Bud:

“the stupidity of Hollywood demonstrates admirably why the majority of these people who think their *** doesn’t stink, and that what they think about anything might actually mean something to anyone, are democrats.”

“Obozo spreads his wings all over the country, and no, we don’t like the way he flies. Adored by the sycophant and non-functional media and the slobbering masses, he pushes crap down the throat of America on a daily basis.”

“you are at last coming to the realization that you were screwed, blewed and tatooed, by voting for this idiot? Don’t try to interpret or clarify what I or anyone else is saying. You don’t have the mental ammunition.”

Ray

May 22nd, 2009
7:39 am

Jon Stewart…. funny guy. His parody on comparing Bush and the Annointed One’s speeches is hilarious. Side by side, they said almost the same things. We’re going to change his name to Barrack W. Bush if this continues.

Bud Wiser

May 22nd, 2009
7:40 am

Face it DB, you are enraged and jealous over the fact that you and everyone here knows that I have a far superior intellect, and your name calling and blatant vulgarity expose you as the simpleton idiot that you are.

Grow up little BOY, and take a dip in the irrelevant pool, because I no longer will respond to your idiocy.

You are irrelevant.

Taxpayer

May 22nd, 2009
7:44 am

Bud. Wise! er…not.

Linville

May 22nd, 2009
7:46 am

DB, I’ve seen some pretty rough stuff from you as well. I was talking about Bud’s 5:20, which contained none of that.

Like I said, I’m new to blogging. Mayhbe this is supposed to be entertainment instead of information…if so I’ll figure it out quick enough and move on. But there is some good info here if you cull through all the crap. I enjoy a laugh and really enjoy hearing different viewpoints. But the venom from some posters is just stupid.

Kamchak

May 22nd, 2009
7:46 am

When it comes to short hand swearing, the most profligate poster is a professed Christian–particularly on the Sabbath.

DB, Gwinnettian

May 22nd, 2009
7:47 am

I have a far superior intellect

Yep. Like Wile E. Coyote–Super-Genius.

I no longer will respond to your idiocy.

Well, not directly, for awhile, I imagine–you’ll passive-aggressively commiserate with others who’ve done so. That’s how it’s done, right Bud?

Obozo

May 22nd, 2009
7:49 am

Observers of all political stripes are stunned by how much of the Bush national security agenda is being adopted by this new Democratic government. Victor Davis Hanson (National Review) offers a partial list: “The Patriot Act, wiretaps, e-mail intercepts, military tribunals, Predator drone attacks, Iraq (i.e., slowing the withdrawal), Afghanistan (i.e., the surge) — and now Guantanamo.”

That’s happening before our eyes. The Bush policies in the war on terror won’t have to await vindication by historians. Obama is doing it day by day. His denials mean nothing. Look at his deeds.-Krauthammer

I know! Let’s put those prisoners from Gitmo into Guantanamo Bay!

Problem solved!

I’m a genius!

Allah Akbar!

Yes we can!

Seig Heil!

DB, Gwinnettian

May 22nd, 2009
7:49 am

But the venom from some posters is just stupid.

Agreed, and when I contribute to it, I’ve failed. Seriously, I’m working on it. Getting wound up by some twerp who couldn’t consider more than one side of an argument if his life depended on it is foolish, no doubt about that.

Linville

May 22nd, 2009
7:54 am

Good for you. I’ll read your posts. Some I’ve already figured out…

I Rule You :-) / You Whine :-(

May 22nd, 2009
7:59 am

8 years of Urinal whining and moaning about Bush national security policies trashed in less than three months.

You don’t think we laugh?

Bwahahahahahahahahaha, bozos.

Ken

May 22nd, 2009
8:00 am

Memorial Day and me. My Uncle was killed in North Africa in WW 2. One of my high school classmates was killed in VietNam . Eleven men in my basic training company were killed in Viet Nam. Two of my basic training drill sergents were later killed in Viet Nam. Went to Viet Nam wall. Cried.

Normal

May 22nd, 2009
8:05 am

Tax Payer, Scooter…Country Joe and The Fish. I sang that song a lot.
I did my time in Viet Nam and I was spit on at LAX, called a baby killer, and nearly arrested for trying to defend my honor. If you put
that you were in the service during that time on an application, you
were not hired. I remember right here in ATL, at Hartsfield, I got into
a taxi to go home and told the driver I just got back from Nam…he
said, “So what”? I was asked once why I went back to Viet Nam for three
tours and I said the first time I felt it was my duty as an American.
The second time because I felt I belonged no where else. The third time
because then some other fool wouldn’t have to go.
I believe that war is the last resort of incompetent leadership, and
wars are started by leaders who have never seen the face of war, or
smelled the gore while up to your elbows in another mans insides,
trying to save his life.
Those of you who promote war need to realize you don’t know what you
are talking about.
Get real, people. It’s time to bring our people home from Iraq, They
should not have been there in the first place.

Kamchak

May 22nd, 2009
8:07 am

20-1

No joy in Mudville

Bwahahahahahahahahaha, losers.

@@

May 22nd, 2009
8:10 am

Just in case jewcowboy drops in early.

My advice to you is don’t go over to Wooten’s if politicizing our military offends you.

I engaged in a little back and forth with someone late yesterday…didn’t read the other postings until late last night.

Some pretty nasty things were being said about our guys. The delivery came from leftists.