As California goes ….

California voters have managed to dodge reality for a long, long time. They insist on a lot of state services; they insist on artificially low taxes. And they have used the state’s overly lax voter-referendum system to get both.

Now it’s about to end. The state faces a $21 billion deficit, it has basically maxed out on its debt load and yesterday voters rejected a hodgepodge of ballot questions that would have allowed the charade to continue a little bit longer.

The Terminator says he has received his orders and is ready to act:

“Saying California voters delivered a message to “go all out” in cutting government spending, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Wednesday promised to whack $21.3 billion out of the state’s budget, making severe reductions in education, health care and law enforcement.

“We tried to not make those kind of cuts, but now we have to,” the Republican governor told reporters in Washington. “There’s no other choice. I think the message was clear from the people: Go all out and make those cuts and live within your means.”

Schwarzenegger thanked Californians for voting in Tuesday’s special election. They rejected ballot measures endorsed by the governor that would have reduced the cuts to $15 billion. And the governor said the message was “very loud and clear.”

“And you know something? I appreciate that,” Schwarzenegger said. “When you hear that from the people, then it gives us a chance to go and adjust and say, ‘OK, we went the wrong direction. Now let’s go in the right direction. Let’s go do what the people want.’”

That’s exactly right. California officials should produce and pass the budget that the voters are willing to support with their taxes. If the subsequent pain is too great, maybe they’ll support higher taxes to pay for the things they want. On the other hand, if they find the pain is tolerable, that’s fine too.

As another story quoted Arnold:

“When you ask them about the cuts, ‘Do you mind of we have to make an additional $6 billion in cuts?’ and — it’s great — they say, ‘No, no, no, no, no, not in education.’ And we say, ‘How about in health care?’ and they say, “No, I wouldn’t go after the vulnerable citizens,’ then we say, ‘Well, then we have to make some cuts in law enforcement,’ and they say, ‘Law enforcement, I want to keep that in place.’ People don’t know themselves where they want to cut, they just say, ‘Make the cuts’ and ‘You figure it out.’”

And yes, there may very well be a similar day of reckoning coming at the federal level, with its arrival accelerated by the Great Recession. Federal revenue has fallen, and federal spending has surged in a necessary but temporary effort to keep the economy on its feet.

Further on down the road, Washington will also have some tough decisions to make about bringing revenue and spending at least somewhat into balance. Those decisions may be informed by what happens in California in the next few years.

243 comments Add your comment

TW

May 20th, 2009
2:35 pm

Ain’t republican world great?

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

May 20th, 2009
2:40 pm

As surely as one can look at a watermelon’s first sprout and know the manner in which nature’s course will run by summer, so can one view California today and know with complete certitude that our great Nation will look far worse once Chocolate Blunder’s California-esque spending and wealth transfer polices play out.

G-d save us, one and all.

getalife

May 20th, 2009
2:41 pm

Ahnold should legalize and tax da weed.

williebkind

May 20th, 2009
2:50 pm

Wow did you read that! He is cutting health and other state services! I guess illegal aliens are the exception. If they need an expensive heart surgery they will get it. Oh yeah, free child delivery too! Got to make those democratic voters!

BDAtlanta

May 20th, 2009
2:51 pm

tax dat weed, yeah

I Report :-)/ You Whine :-(

May 20th, 2009
2:52 pm

Typical failed democrat third world hovel.

Lucky for us, the libs in Congress are passing a huge cap and tax bill for absolutely no eason but to raise the cost of energy, a cost that will hit the poor the hardest.

Mindless vanity, coming home to roost.

eewwwwww

md

May 20th, 2009
2:52 pm

Republican world?

Cali has been a blue state for years, with many blue cities and mostly dem legislature. How Arney ever got elected is beyond me – must of been Maria and the Kennedys.

And no Jay, much of the spending in the porkulus bill was not detrimental to the economy. It was detrimental to politicians on both sides of the aisle that want to be re-elected.

There were too many “wants”, when it should have had nothing in it but “needs”.

It will bite us in the tukus, and taxes will go up. There is no other way.

Thanks Barry.

Hillbilly Deluxe

May 20th, 2009
2:55 pm

People don’t know themselves where they want to cut, they just say, ‘Make the cuts’ and ‘You figure it out.’

Isn’t that why they elected Arnold; to figure it out?

BDAtlanta

May 20th, 2009
2:59 pm

The American Idiots = wanting all the best services but not willing to pay for it with taxation.

Let’s see how loud they yelp when:
- it takes the police another 10 minutes to get to their houses
- there aren’t enough wildfire fighters to protect the houses on their block
- their libraries are only open 3 days a week for 4 hours a day
- the lines at the DMV are a mile long
- pot holes are everywhere

When you pay your taxes and have good services as a result, life is good. Everything works better and everyone is happier.

Copyleft

May 20th, 2009
3:03 pm

You’ve gotta love voters…

“Give us this! Give us that! More service, more benefits!”

“And NO, we don’t want to pay for them, thank you very much. What kind of sick freak are you, asking permission to RAISE TAXES??? That’s irresponsible! It’s theft at gunpoint. Let’s have a tea party!”

Dave R

May 20th, 2009
3:05 pm

California is simply learning the adage “You reap what you sow”. Years of liberal spending on services, kowtowing to the unions, passing mandates that simply can’t be funded properly or administered efficiently are now being seen for what they are. Nanny-state governance doesn’t work.

And here’s the kicker: if they DON’T pass spending cuts, the libs who have wanted all this stuff for free or low cost will simply leave and go to states where they won’t be taxed as much – then go right on demanding what killed California in the first place.

Watch all these liberals states – CA, NY, MA, NJ implode over the next few years as these Socialist policies come home to roost. And it doesn’t matter if they receive more or less Federal dollars than other states, or compared to what they contribute.

This is about SPENDING, not revenue. It is about RESPONSIBILITY (or lack thereof), and nothing else.

md

May 20th, 2009
3:05 pm

“Isn’t that why they elected Arnold; to figure it out?”

I’d say he did figure it out. He gave the voters a choice – raise taxes or cut spending, they chose to cut spending.

And its easy to vote for job eliminations when your not employed by the gov’t, for you know its not your job.

I was once the bottom guy on the totem pole at work and was laid off 4 times. Funny, I voted for the contracts and everybody above me voted against. Funny how that works when you are the one getting the axe.

Redneck Convert

May 20th, 2009
3:06 pm

Well, California is just a example of what happens when you let guvmint run wild. For example, we don’t need schools. They just turn out a bunch of libruls anyway and about 90% of the kids that go are lunkheads that would be better off getting a job and then yelling to the guvmint about how much taxes is being took out of their paycheck. When we cut down to four or five people to run the guvmint they can cut out hospitles for the crazies and all these colledges and the free doctoring all the illegals get.

One guy could be in charge of roads. Another one could pass out drivers liscences. One could be in charge of the fishing and hunting programs. Those are the only things guvmint is useful for. The other two people could just write the checks to pay for the roads and the drivers liscences and the fishing and hunting programs. If CA went that route I might could move there. When I mentioned that at Billy Bob’s the other night somebody said the average IQ of both CA and GA would go up.

Have a good night everybody.

Paul

May 20th, 2009
3:09 pm

Cuts that impact the public. Of course.

Cuts that impact the bureaucracy. Of course not.

Rand Corporation study done at a time home prices were rising, as were tax receipts:

“Where did the money go?” P6454

A brief overview of a study in which expenditures in the City of Los Angeles were examined for the period from fiscal year 1973 through fiscal year 1978. The objective of the analysis was to clarify the implications of the fiscal limitation movement by identifying the components of expenditure growth that will have to be controlled in the future. Among the findings were: (1) very little of the growth of expenditures is explained by increased programs and activities (in fact, city-funded direct services to the public appear to have been declining); (2) over 75 percent of the increase in expenditures was due to inflation; and (3) almost half of the remaining increase is attributable to a shift in the mix of employees (a decrease in the number of lower-paid employees who provide direct services to the public, and an increase in the number of middle- or higher-paid administrative and support personnel).

‘3′ is a key. If that’s the study I’m thinking of, it went into detail about schools – property tax increases and receipts far outpaced student growth. Where did the money go? Better facilities? Nope. More special ed, science labs, newer textbooks? Nope.

Then where? Mostly to an expanded bureaucracy.

But now they’ll cut class size, cut programs and say to the public “see what happens? Care to vote again?”

But never, ever cut the bureaucracy or programs that are more of the bureaucracy’s “nice things we do for ourselves” kind.

Later -

I Report :-)/ You Whine :-(

May 20th, 2009
3:10 pm

BrainDeadAtlanta- Notice how you didn’t list any cuts to Acorn and other democrat vote drive activities.

Or any junk science legislation.

Nor do any elected officials, We The People suffer before the democrat party does, heaven forbid.

Between the two, cutting that garbage out of our bill would give us real tax cuts, not the lying ones that Obozo kampaigned on.

Citizen of the World

May 20th, 2009
3:16 pm

Those low California taxes you mentioned — shouldn’t they (according to the Republican philosophy) have resulted in a robust economy that would create jobs and a living wage for all citizens and thus negate the need for an expensive social safety net? Funny how it didn’t work out that way.

Gandalf, the White! (!)

May 20th, 2009
3:16 pm

sell California to the Jews! They can move thier homeland over here and rebuild the temple right in downtown Hollywood!

Taxpayer

May 20th, 2009
3:17 pm

Based on some of these GOPer’s comments, the money spent on education was a waste anyway. May as well eliminate it and just draft all of them instead. Rumsfeld can read them a quote from the Bible each morning as he sends them off to kill.

md

May 20th, 2009
3:18 pm

Might get interesting in Cali in 2012. When the sheeple get ticked at election time, anyone with an (I) next to their name has a tendency to go bye bye. Party doesn’t always matter, but “that scoundrel” does.

Dave R

May 20th, 2009
3:21 pm

Citizen, it’s not about REVENUES, it’s about SPENDING. Wake up!

md

May 20th, 2009
3:22 pm

Some on here haven’t been paying attention. The repubs used to cut taxes along with spending, but along came George.

Its not the taxes, its the spending. They need to be balanced, and to date, neither party has been using that formula.

Taxpayer

May 20th, 2009
3:29 pm

Even if the fed were to quit spending anything, we would need revenue to pay of the debt plus interest. Ten trillion dollars worth from the GOP.

BDAtlanta

May 20th, 2009
3:30 pm

Yeah Copy, more tea parties!

Hey, who cleaned up the parks after the tea partiers left? Government workers who were paid with tax dollars?

Nice.

AmVet

May 20th, 2009
3:34 pm

I have visited the Golden State several times over the past handful of years and found it to be fantastic. And the people, in many cases, friendly and interesting. From San Diego to LA to Frisco.

But it is nonetheless a paradise lost.

That the rabid right hates everything about and everybody in the place, is a sure sign that it is fine…

Dave R

May 20th, 2009
3:36 pm

Thanks for proving the point that irresponsible SPENDING is the problem we have, Taxpayer. Now if only we could find a political party that could fix that. It a

md

May 20th, 2009
3:37 pm

Spin baby spin. 10 trillion courtesy of both parties. Love it when folks can’t see from behind the party curtain.

jewcowboy

May 20th, 2009
3:39 pm

I Report :-) / You Whine :-( ,

By the way, I see space shuttle mission to fix the Hubble was a success. I’m certainly glad NASA did not follow your timorous advice.

“Be bold. When you embark for strange places, don’t leave any of yourself safely on shore. Have the nerve to go into unexplored territory.” ~ Alan Alda

RW-(the original)

May 20th, 2009
3:41 pm

It’s mind boggling, but I think all 50 states could run 21 billion dollar deficits, you could add them all together and you still wouldn’t approach Obama’s deficit for us at the federal level.

This madness has got to stop or we are finished as a country. Thankfully if this message is coming out loud and clear from California it’ll spread rapidly east. And anybody that thinks you couldn’t make massive cuts in state, and federal bureaucracies without affecting the services they provide has never spent time observing them from the inside.

Bosch

May 20th, 2009
3:41 pm

UEFA Cup Final – Halftime Report:

Werder Bremen 1 (Yeah!!!!)
Shakhtar Donetsk 1 (Boooo!!!!)

jewcowboy

May 20th, 2009
3:42 pm

I Report :-) / You Whine :-(

“a cost that will hit the poor the hardest.”

Give the sanctimonious oration a break. The only time I’ve seen you worried about the poor on this blog is when you are making fun of them.

Taxpayer

May 20th, 2009
3:43 pm

The GOP economy mantra is Borrow and Spend, not spin baby spin. Spin baby Spin is what the GOPers do instead of telling the truth.

Bosch

May 20th, 2009
3:43 pm

md,

But along came George? What about the Gipper – he was a tax cut and spending freak!

Dave R

May 20th, 2009
3:44 pm

Ambling Veterinarian, $21 BILLION in debt is no paradise. Neither is Nancy Pelosi. Nor is a Democrat majority in both state houses. Otherwise, the state is fine, just fine.

That paradise is lost is merely confirmation that liberal policies don’t work.

Bosch

May 20th, 2009
3:45 pm

George H.W. Bush had enough sense to raise taxes – and it cost him his second term. He got into office and realized you can’t spend (which is always gonna be the case) and his “read my lips….no new taxes” thing was total BS. He had the balls to do it and it cost him.

md

May 20th, 2009
3:45 pm

Bosch,

1-1, wow, a high scoring game.

Dave R

May 20th, 2009
3:48 pm

Remember who runs the state legislature, Taxpayer – Democrats.

Remember who runs both houses of Congress about 70% of the time, Taxpayer – Democrats.

Remember who controlled both houses of Congress when it wasn’t Democrats, Taxpayer – the Neo-cons you so love to hate.

Both parties deserve a pox on their houses, but only one party has a chance of fixing this mess, and it ain’t the Democrats.

jewcowboy

May 20th, 2009
3:48 pm

Dave R,

“Watch all these liberals states – CA, NY, MA, NJ implode over the next few years as these Socialist policies come home to roost.”

And how do you account for Florida’s $3.4B, Alabama’s $1.1B, GA’s $2.2B, Ohio’s $1.2B and AZ’s $1.6B shortfalls?

Bosch

May 20th, 2009
3:48 pm

Dave R.,

And what about those great GOP policies of tax cuts and spend? Yeah, they don’t work so swell either. I know you claim not to be a GOPer, but funny how you should ONLY criticize liberal policies and NEVER criticize the other.

Bosch

May 20th, 2009
3:49 pm

md,

Yeah! Awesome isn’t it? But right now it’s tied, if this thing goes into PKs I’m gonna have a stroke.

jewcowboy

May 20th, 2009
3:49 pm

Bosch,

“He had the balls to do it and it cost him.”

That’s what differentiated him with his son.

Paul

May 20th, 2009
3:50 pm

citizen of the world 3:16

[[Those low California taxes you mentioned — shouldn’t they (according to the Republican philosophy)...Funny how it didn’t work out that way.]]

Except the California Legislature – the Senate and the Assembly – have been heavily Democratic for decades. And the governors – mostly, also.

AmVet

[[But it is nonetheless a paradise lost.]]

Yup – I grew up in southern Cal. Have to agree. Heading out there tomorrow, then back in June. It’ll be interesting to hear what the locals have to say.

Bosch

May 20th, 2009
3:52 pm

md,

Seriously, Americans only care about the score – they don’t appreciate the actual game. I could watch soccer and have no one score – it’s all about the game. It’s awesome to watch, and fun to play. A low score means you’re watching a very good game.

Bosch

May 20th, 2009
3:53 pm

jewcowboy,

Yeap!

Later folks – the game is back on.

md

May 20th, 2009
3:55 pm

Bosch,

Hate to burst your bubble, but that was a joke. As I said yesterday, if they start playing soccer like hockey and get to knock the crap out of each other to offset the non-existent scoring, maybe I’ll watch it. But its a little too boring for me. Playing it – ok, watching it-not so much.

AmVet

May 20th, 2009
3:59 pm

jewcowboy, a HUGE success!

Our climatological expert is just mad that they are co-conspirators in the “junk science of global warming”.

Along with virtually every other legitimate, respected, proven scientific organization on the planet.

You’d think those rocket scientists would have by now corroborated that the real reasons are sunspots, wobbles in the earth’s orbit and HeadRush’s favorite, volcanoes…

Taxpayer

May 20th, 2009
4:01 pm

Paul

May 20th, 2009
4:06 pm

Taxpayer

So, what are the Democratic presidents, Congress, governors and state legislatures doing to fix the years of Republican mismanagement?

jewcowboy

May 20th, 2009
4:07 pm

AmVet,

Maybe we just need more funding for intelligent design, instead of that junk science like determining the rate of expansion of the universe or other breakthroughs in astrophysics.

jewcowboy

May 20th, 2009
4:09 pm

Paul,

“So, what are the Democratic presidents, Congress, governors and state legislatures doing to fix the years of Republican mismanagement?”

How about a hot air tax for the talking heads on the news shows and a stupidity tax for those who can’t figure out which direction “push” means on a glass door?

Dave R

May 20th, 2009
4:09 pm

Bosch, obviously you missed the “Both parties deserve a pox on their houses” comment in your zeal to defend the indefensible.

jewcowboy, those states have to fix their problems as well, but the LARGEST deficits are in the states I mentioned, all governed by Democrats.

Ambling Veterinarian, please explain how global warming is man-made when the average temperature of the planet is LOWER in the past two years. Then we can talk about so-called “climate change” and “global warming”. Junk science pretty much sums it up. Pretty much describes your posts as well.

Paul

May 20th, 2009
4:14 pm

jewcowboy

As you offered a suggestion instead of a record of accomplishment (I can think of Clinton – and even then there were some independent factors from which he benefited – but nothing else much comes to mind), am I to assume the answer to the question is “not much”?

jewcowboy

May 20th, 2009
4:15 pm

Dave R,

They are also among the states with the largest populations. Coincidence, or maybe larger populations expand the problems exponentially due to the larger populations. If Alabama had 36 million people instead of 4.6 million, might their budget problems be just as large?

lwwmm7

May 20th, 2009
4:16 pm

Maybe it’s so simple that it escapes our grasp– if we spend more than we have we will sooner or later have trouble. Duh. If we have more non-taxpayers than taxpayers feeding at the public trough, somebody ain’t gonna eat. Utopia is a fine fantasy, but it never has and never will work for one reason– people.

AmVet

May 20th, 2009
4:16 pm

Ah yes, jewcowboy, intelligent design.

83 years later, and the new-age flat-earthers are still fighting the Scope Monkey Trial.

And still making up idiotic, unsubstantiated, fallacious claims like that 2nd post at 4:09.

Taxpayer

May 20th, 2009
4:17 pm

White House Data Confirms: Reagan-Bush Administrations Created Post-WWII Federal Debt

So, what are the Democratic presidents, Congress, governors and state legislatures doing to fix the years of Republican mismanagement?

Waiting for the Republicans to quit being the party of “NO” so they can actually start cleaning up the mess without first needing to waste time on GOP obstructions; dealing with winding down an unneeded war in Iraq; challenging the DoD to cut waste; trimming the fed budget, etc., and all while navigating us through the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. Of course, I know that is not enough to appease the radical right wing nut case fringe but so what. All they do is whine about paying taxes that they don’t pay anyway.

Taxpayer

May 20th, 2009
4:20 pm

Here’s an idea for you radical right wing nut case fringe — call you congresperson and demand that all social security payments cease immediately because we don’t need no steenking taxes. Then, do the same with DoD expenditures. After all, it is all about the spending — not the revenues.

AmVet

May 20th, 2009
4:21 pm

Zounds! According to a couple of the less lucid regulars here, I thought all Democrats were gun-grabbing liberals!

“WASHINGTON (CNN) — Gun rights advocates found an unlikely ally in the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives on Wednesday as lawmakers passed a measure allowing concealed, loaded firearms to be carried in national parks.”

Paul

May 20th, 2009
4:22 pm

Taxpayer

[[Waiting for the Republicans to quit being the party of “NO” so they can actually start cleaning up the mess without first needing to waste time on GOP obstructions;]]

Republican obstructionism didn’t seem to work too well in preventing the Democratic House and Senate from passing the stimulus package, did it?

I just asked, if Republicans were responsible for the exploding debt, are Democrats doing much to fix the problem? All I’m hearing so far are excuses.

Unless the answer is “not much. It’s all about political advantage.”

md

May 20th, 2009
4:23 pm

“and all while navigating us through the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression”

Debatable. Interest rates and unemployment were pretty high with Mr. Carter. I once had a 9% interest rate on a home, and was ecstatic.

jewcowboy

May 20th, 2009
4:24 pm

AmVet,

“And still making up idiotic, unsubstantiated, fallacious claims like that 2nd post at 4:09.”

Perhaps the information was from the Heartland Institute.

Paul

May 20th, 2009
4:24 pm

Taxpayer 4:20

[[Then, do the same with DoD expenditures.]]

I’ve called for that for quite some time. As I recall, only one other regular has the same opinion.

One thing I’m sure of: President Obama, Spkr Pelosi and the Democratic House and Sen Reid and the Democratic Senate do not share my opinion. Quite the opposite, in fact.

So you’ll have to come up with another suggestion they might embrace.

Brian

May 20th, 2009
4:25 pm

It’s not a matter of if there will be a day of reckoning at the federal level, but when. With all the expansion Presbo has proposed, the only way the can pay for it is to raise taxes. Health care, raise taxes on tobacco, proposed higher taxes on sodas, alcohol, etc. and still can’t figure out how to come up with enough money to pay for it. Cap and trade equals higher taxes on gasoline, natural gas, and electricity. Sorry my extra $13 dollars a week ain’t gonna cover all that! Why can’t our governments trim the fat before raising taxes? Why can’t they trim their salaries or positions, cut back on government vehicles and personal expenditures that we pay for before they talk about raising taxes? If people don’t have jobs to earn money, how are they going to pay higher taxes? If there are higher taxes on everday items, do you think people will spend more or less? It will be interesting to see the consequences of all this spending and new taxes in 2010 & 2012.

Dave R

May 20th, 2009
4:28 pm

Sorry, jewcowboy, but you’re dodging the real issue here. Population isn’t the problem, programs are. It is the laws, regulations, size of government, scope of government, etc. that contributes to these runaway deficits.

Give the people what they want, but don’t worry about paying for it.

It is the Socialist way of life.

That there is no one in these legislatures to tell the people they can’t have everything provided by their nanny is what has gotten them to this point.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

May 20th, 2009
4:29 pm

And now comes Chocolate blunder, who cowering behind the skirt of the office, afraid to admit yet another of rapidly growing numer of his poor judgements and misguided actions, sends forth his most despicable and vile mouthpiece, Robert Gibbs, deadpan, to:

1)Admit that the ill-advised decision to close Gitmo was “a hasty decision”;

2) Admit that clsoing Gitmo was a ploicy shift easier said than don.

Underneath the emerging Gitmo debacle, the retention of Ruimsfield era Military Tribunals; the retention of Bush era warrantless wiretaps; the flip-flop on the so-called torture pictures, and the failure to meet his promise to immediately withdraw from Iraq,all Chocolate Blunder’s action quietly betray that President Bush, a true American hero, and Chocolate Blunder, an emerging American zero, was childishly wrong during his ill-fated campaign that led to a presidency that may very well permanantly impair America.

jewcowboy

May 20th, 2009
4:32 pm

Dave R,

“It is the Socialist way of life.”

Then, again, explain AL, AZ, FL, OH and GA’s BILLION dollar deficits. Alabama is a Socialist State? I’ll let you tell them that, I prefer not to be drawn and quartered.

Jay

May 20th, 2009
4:34 pm

“Ambling Veterinarian, please explain how global warming is man-made when the average temperature of the planet is LOWER in the past two years.”

Really, Dave R? I’d like to see your source. Because while NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies does indeed say that 2008 was the coolest year since 2000, it also ranks it as the ninth warmest year on record going back to 1880, or 128 years.

Ninth warmest out of 128 total. That puts it at the 93rd percentile. According to GISS, “The ten warmest years all occur within the 12-year period 1997-2008.” All ten. No, no warming there.

And 2007? According to Goddard, “The year 2007 tied for second warmest in the period of instrumental data (going back to 1880), behind the record warmth of 2005.” (http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/)

So 2007 was warmer than 127 out of 128 years.

Dave R

May 20th, 2009
4:34 pm

Of course, these issues are just magnified at the Federal level.

How many “czars” has President Hope & Change named? Well over a dozen, right? And these are over and above the appointed Secretaries of various departments that he already has. Of course, Congress has no say whatsoever in those appointments, so it is just another way to pad the payroll of political favors. Nothing new there.

Democrats aren’t capable of fixing this mess. If Republicans don’t get their act together, neither are they.

Jay

May 20th, 2009
4:35 pm

“Give the people what they want, but don’t worry about paying for it.

It is the Socialist way of life.”

So Dave, George W. Bush was a Socialist? The GOP Congress was Socialist?

Bosch

May 20th, 2009
4:40 pm

Oh good lord.

Extra time. I can’t take it.

md,

Yes, I caught your joke, guess you missed my sarcasm. Considering that there are literally billions of futbol fans in the world, and it being the most popular game in the world, well, I guess you’re wrong about it being boring to watch. And obviously you don’t watch it or you’d see them knocking the hell out of each other – that’s why they have stoppage time at the end – to make up the time that people were laid out on the pitch.

Ooops – back on. Later.

Jake

May 20th, 2009
4:43 pm

Raygun and W are the reigning deficit champions but Barry is well on his way to taking the title. Too bad as the current Administration and Congress makes it very unlikely the Feds will follow the excellent example of Cali.

@@

May 20th, 2009
4:43 pm

Let’s hear from the natives:

How would you fix California’s budget disaster?

Here’s my favorite:

” stop the use it or loose it budget and spending philosophy. Do not penalize agencies with lower approprations becasue they did not spend the allocation it the budget year. Reward them for saving money. “

AmVet

May 20th, 2009
4:44 pm

Bosch, what channel is it on?

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

May 20th, 2009
4:45 pm

Jay, why do I keep getting hung up in your spam filter when my posts are neither profane no offensive in any manner. Posters pushing the legalizartion of illegal street drugs get through, but I do not. Are centrist positions not welcome here?

Dave R

May 20th, 2009
4:45 pm

Sorry, Jay. Imprecise wording on my part. 2008 – cooler (and don’t try that relative to any other year stuff – cooler is cooler). 2009 – trending to be far cooler. Bottom line, if we have done nothing to decrease all the cr@p that supposedly makes up man-made global warming (and we haven’t), then man-made global warming enthusiasts and so-called scientists cannot explain why ANY YEAR could be cooler than the previous one.

Junk science, baby!

jewcowboy, pay attention. You are being deliberately obtuse on this point. Some deficits are smaller and temporary than others and can be chalked up to a down economy. Georgia fixed their deficit problem with this year’s budget. In one year. Same with Alabama, if my reading on their budgetary process is right.

California? Nope. Mass.? Nope. NY? Nope. NJ? Nope. Deficits as far as the eye can see for those states. Democrat legislatures capable of overriding any governor’s veto.

lwwmm7

May 20th, 2009
4:45 pm

There is none so blind as he who will not see. Repubs lie. Dems lie. Repubs spend. Dems spend. They are one and the same except for the yammering they do to convince some people that they really care what happens to them. A rich Dem belongs to the same exclusive clubs as a rich Repub, and both use the same tax preparer (a die-hard Repub, most likely). They couldn’t care less about you and me, only as a vote and a source of money to spend. Wise up.

Bosch

May 20th, 2009
4:49 pm

AmVet,

Fox Soccer Channel – I just got up in disgust – Shakhtar just scored. 2-1 Shaktar – they are in extra time right now.

Dave R

May 20th, 2009
4:51 pm

Jay, Jay, Jay. W was a Neo-con. Compassionate conservatism is nothing more than a slower version of liberalism, and you know it. That he created a war he had to fund didn’t help. That he tried to appease Democrats like Teddy Kennedy and others with programs that he eventually got raked over the coals by both liberals and conservatives (one for not doing enough and one for doing too much) didn’t help either.

And as I’ve said before, the GOP needs a pox on their house as well.

Nice try.

Kamchak

May 20th, 2009
4:53 pm

Bosch

Don’t give up. No golden goal. No silver goal.

getalife

May 20th, 2009
4:55 pm

Limbaugh Resigns As “The Titular Head Of The Republican Party”

Yeah Powell kicked his as-s.

Perhaps Powell will lead the new gop.

I Report :-) / You Whine :-(

May 20th, 2009
4:56 pm

jewcowboy gurgles -Give the sanctimonious oration a break. The only time I’ve seen you worried about the poor on this blog is when you are making fun of them.

Got that everybody, jboy is out in favor of the government over the welfare of the poor.

It has it’s priorities.

Because while NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies does indeed say that 2008 was the coolest year since 2000, it also ranks it as the ninth warmest year on record going back to 1880, or 128 years.

Propagate the lie, socialism at it’s finest-

To NASA’s credit, when McIntyre pointed out their temperature errors they quickly made corrections.

Still, the pro-warmers who dominate the Goddard Institute almost certainly recognized the impacts these changes would have on the global-warming debate, because they made no formal announcement of their recalculations.

The hottest year since 1880 becomes 1934 instead of 1998, which is now just second; 1921 is third.

lwwmm7

May 20th, 2009
4:57 pm

Rasslin’ is the only true sport left these days. The mob and the bookies control the sports that use a ball by shaving points and having players throw the games. With all that money at stake, you know the bad guys are behind every missed field goal and free throw. But take rasslin’, there are no bets made on matches (other than who buys the next beer) because rasslin’ is a true contest of power and the will to win. Anybody could see that if they just looked. And you never heard of a rassler fighting dogs or stuff like that. My hat is off to these good American boys and girls who exemplify true sportsmanship and courage when they enter the squared circle to do battle.

lwwmm7

May 20th, 2009
5:01 pm

And every time Sgt. Slaughter beat the tar out of the Iron Sheik on Saturday night I just got proud all over. Come back, Sgt., we need you now.

jewcowboy

May 20th, 2009
5:03 pm

Dave R,

You are aware, I’m sure, that Al has a Democrate dominated legislature?

getalife

May 20th, 2009
5:05 pm

Specter Defends Pelosi: CIA Has Long Record Of Dishonesty.

Circled the wagons.

I think they should do like business in trouble.

Layoffs, spending and hiring freeze and sell out to China.

Tom

May 20th, 2009
5:06 pm

DAVE R is but another crazed canary in search of a cage. @@, etc. The NASCAR guys are out today! Calif does have its problems – but what a marvelous place in which to live. We do try to keep the hayshakers and woodchucks out, but….

Taxpayer

May 20th, 2009
5:07 pm

RW-(the original)

May 20th, 2009
5:09 pm

I’m sure basing anthropogenic global warming on the last 128 years makes perfect sense if you believe the earth is only a few hundred years old, but since it’s millions of years old the last 128 is a pretty meaningless sample, especially when you factor in the evidence of global warming and cooling throughout history. So whether you believe Jay B’s data that hasn’t included the updated info or the one where the dates actually go back a few decades to find the warmer years it doesn’t make much difference.

But hey! Can’t waste a good man made “crisis” now can we?

AmVet

May 20th, 2009
5:10 pm

Great, the guy who has never opened a science book in his life and a sunspotter enlightening mankind with their vast knowledge of climatology.

Look around boys. Look REAL closely. Nobody who matters is listening to you fools and your inanity.

lwwmm7, with the advent of extreme cage fighting and the like, which BTW I can only take for very short periods, I now find that watching regular boxing is about as exciting as watching the PBA…

lwwmm7

May 20th, 2009
5:12 pm

Carry on, fellow blogpeople, think I’ll go outside and talk to the critters a while. All this rancor and sniping remind me of a line from “Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman”—Old Mr. Davis upstairs hasn’t smiled in 15 years. You have to respect that in a man.” Later.

TW

May 20th, 2009
5:12 pm

How was Cali looking went Clinton left office?

Paul

May 20th, 2009
5:16 pm

TW

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How was Cali looking went Clinton left office?]]

Better than Monica?

Hey, it’s Friday -

getalife

May 20th, 2009
5:19 pm

Except for the last 128 years, we have been polluting and destroying the earth with oil companies and corporate political power RW.

Why do you hate the earth?

I Report :-) / You Whine :-(

May 20th, 2009
5:21 pm

OK, let’s deal with lie number 2 then, since we won the first argument-

So Dave, George W. Bush was a Socialist? The GOP Congress was Socialist?

In case you didn’t hear bookman, the democrats won control of the Congress in 2006, a remarkable coincidence considering that is also when government spending skyrocketed. Look it up.

Not to make things too complicated here, Congress controls government spending.

Sure Bushie had to sign off on the spending legislation but he did that because he is a good and decent man, elections have consequences and he let the democrats set their spending levels how they wanted. To his credit he did fight some of the more obscene Other People’s Money Grabbags, like Schip and some energy legislation, that would have made the deficit WORSE.

Are you denying this fact?

eeewwwww

May 20th, 2009
5:21 pm

i still say using “eeewwwww” is faggy- and not the good faggy.

TW

May 20th, 2009
5:22 pm

Wow – can’t believe it…

“For the fourth straight year, California is blessed with a multibillion-dollar budget surplus and, over the next few weeks, Governor Gray Davis and the Legislature will decide how the windfall will be used. Taxpayers prefer investment in the economy and infrastructure, not a spending spree.

According to Governor Davis’ $80.8 billion “May Revise” of the 1999-2000 budget proposal, high levels of revenues are still flowing into the state treasury. Since proposing a $77.5 billion budget last January, the economic picture has improved so much that, through June 2000, the state expects more than $4.3 billion of additional revenue.”

Does hannity know this?

Kamchak

May 20th, 2009
5:22 pm

Sorry Bosch. Those “Romanians” wanted it more.

getalife

May 20th, 2009
5:25 pm

It was Paulson Andy.

Watch Frontline PBS special on the melt down.

It is very good.

RW-(the original)

May 20th, 2009
5:30 pm

getalife,

Your argument that we’ve been poisoning the planet for 128 years really comes closer to proving my point than yours considering we’ve warmed and cooled plenty of times before that. Maybe Carlin was right. We’re only allowed to live because the earth needs plastic.

Taxpayer

May 20th, 2009
5:35 pm

Taxpayer

May 20th, 2009
5:36 pm