Jesse Ventura on torture
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Hillbilly Deluxe
May 19th, 2009
1:49 pm
I still can’t look at Jessie without picturing him in his feather boa talking to Mean Gene Okerlund.
Midori
May 19th, 2009
1:53 pm
Hey Jay,
make sure you watch this one as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeMuDN9Ewyc
getalife
May 19th, 2009
1:58 pm
He was better on Hannity and should be a co host on Hannity’s failed show.
Joe wants him to STFU but doubt he will say that to his face:
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/joe-scarborough-unhinged-torture-apologist
We are finding the real Americans and Jesse is one.
Joe is not.
Paul
May 19th, 2009
2:02 pm
Hello Midori
So the two View ladies on the Left say Pelosi lied, Jessie says they all lied and the Pres is backing off.
Still think it’s no big deal when the third-in-line for the Presidency lies, keeps quiet and lets the system keep torturing?
Brad Steel
May 19th, 2009
2:05 pm
Why does the indignant , self-righteous and insipid Elizabeth Hasselbach have a forum?
Taxpayer
May 19th, 2009
2:06 pm
What’s the latest new word that Dick Cheney came up with to cover his a$$? Bush.
BDAtlanta
May 19th, 2009
2:10 pm
Does his Secret Service entourage go to prison with Cheney? He’ll definately need some protection in there.
Midori
May 19th, 2009
2:10 pm
Paul,
you’re like a dog with a bone on this Pelosi thing.
tell you what: she has asked for ALL documents to be released, as well as an investigation.
I recall the CIA also saying that former Sen. Graham was “briefed” on several occasions, which turned out to be a falsehood. I suppose they weren’t aware that Graham, unlike Pelosi, keeps meticulous daily diaries.
In any event, let’s see what the documents and investigation reveal.
Again: Pelosi did NOT authorize, engage in, or sign off on torture.
Hence, her supposedly lying is a moot point to ME.
If there was no torture, there would be no “lying”. On Pelosi’s end, anyway.
md
May 19th, 2009
2:13 pm
Why does the indignant , self-righteous and insipid Elizabeth Hasselbach have a forum?
The same reason the other 3 have a forum.
Midori
May 19th, 2009
2:14 pm
you know Paul,
I really don’t give a sh*t.
Midori
May 19th, 2009
2:16 pm
MSNBS: Congress Investigating Documented CIA Lying: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwsMX659eeg
Mrs. Godzilla
May 19th, 2009
2:16 pm
Ya’ know at first I thought Pelosi was telling lies, I’m not so sure any more…..
From TPM:
Rep. David Obey, who chairs the appropriations committee, just sent the following letter to CIA director Leon Panetta:
Dear Director Panetta:
In light of current controversy about CIA briefing practices, I was surprised to learn that the agency erroneously listed an appropriations staffer as being in a key briefing on September 19, 2006, when in fact he was not. The list the agency released entitled “Member Briefings on Enhanced Interrogation Techniques (EITs)”, shows that House Appropriations Committee defense appropriations staffer Paul Juola was in that briefing on that date. In fact, Mr. Juola recollects that he walked members to the briefing room, met General Hayden and Mr.Walker, who were the briefers, and was told that he could not attend the briefing. We request that you immediately correct this record.
Sincerely,
David R. Obey
Obey joins Sen. Jay Rockefeller, former senator Bob Graham, and of course Pelosi herself in pointing to inaccuracies in the CIA document.
And, though most of the media was fooled by last week’s statement, Panetta himself isn’t guaranteeing that the document is accurate.
Midori
May 19th, 2009
2:20 pm
Graham: CIA Gave Me False Information About Interrogation Briefings: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/14/graham-cia-gave-me-false_n_203683.html
georgian by birth floridian because I'm lucky
May 19th, 2009
2:20 pm
Funny how a guy says something about the rule of law but I do not recall him ever serving any time for steroid use, possesion or distribution.
Once again though a politician saying what he wants others to be held to but god forbid the same politician is held to the rule of law.
Steroids are still illegal right?
Taxpayer
May 19th, 2009
2:21 pm
I thought the CIA had already finished re-creating documentation for all those briefings. Well, I guess all those destroyed photos of enhanced interrogation techniques that they showed everyone during those classified briefings are causing them a little difficulty — they cannot seem to get the original people to pose again.
Bosch
May 19th, 2009
2:22 pm
Jay,
Ya’ should have posted Ventura smackin’ down ol’ Hannity. Seeing him make this Survivor chick is just kind of sad (no, it’s not – who am I kidding). We all know she’s a ditz.
georgian by birth floridian because I'm lucky
May 19th, 2009
2:23 pm
Dang Midori,
I thought you didn’t give a shyte?
still saying one thing and doing another?
ty webb
May 19th, 2009
2:23 pm
jesse ventura’s opinion on waterboarding. Was CoCo B. Ware busy or something? What does Dusty Rhodes feel is the secrect behind middle east peace? Anyone got Hacksaw Jim Duggan’s view of the bank bailout?
Midori
May 19th, 2009
2:26 pm
Georgian,
I don’t believe i was talking to you.
still butting in with your Carnac impersonations?
ByteMe
May 19th, 2009
2:27 pm
And… really… who do I care more about: someone who was supposedly briefed who claims she wasn’t or someone who actually imposed and implemented the policy that was morally and legally wrong and is now running around the country lying about its effectiveness?
Why does all this Pelosi stuff feel like a Republican talking point instead of reality-based concern over who knew what when?
BTW, speaking of obfuscation: “Enhaned Interrogation Techniques” was a term created 4 years after the tortures took place in order to further muddy the waters over what was done to people in our custody and in the custody of our allies at our request.
ByteMe
May 19th, 2009
2:28 pm
Elizabeth H. needs a voice transplant.
Jay
May 19th, 2009
2:28 pm
“Still think it’s no big deal when the third-in-line for the Presidency lies, keeps quiet and lets the system keep torturing?”
I don’t know, Paul. Did you think it was a big deal with the actual president and the second in line lied, kept quiet and actually ordered the system to torture?
Which is the greater sin?
Midori
May 19th, 2009
2:29 pm
Byte Me,
listening to hear is like hearing chalk squeal across a black board.
Doggone/GA
May 19th, 2009
2:31 pm
“the third-in-line for the Presidency ”
“the second in line ”
Let’s please get this straight: the VP is the FIRST “IN LINE” for the Presidency.
The SOTH is SECOND “IN LINE” for the Presidency.
ty webb
May 19th, 2009
2:32 pm
This just in… Olie and Arn Anderson agree, the big three are not too big to fail. I don’t know where the other two horsemen, Tully Blanchard and Ric Flair, stand.
Taxpayer
May 19th, 2009
2:33 pm
No! NO! NOOOOO! Anything but the chalk. That was torture.
Paul
May 19th, 2009
2:35 pm
Midori
That’s too bad. It’s gotta be disillusioning. Same standards should apply to Democrats and Republicans, especially those who represent the people.
Your 2:16 – answer to the question: Panetta was speaking of Bush’s CIA. But the question here is, if the Speaker was aware of a felony, why did she not report it to Justice?
Hello, Mrs. Godzilla
I saw Sen Graham on a show – same thing happened to him. He said it’s part of the process – they take attendance, check their notes, he was supposed to be at a briefing but wasn’t, they contact to clarify. Normal bureaucratic stuff, nothing sinister.
Spkr Pelosi, though, never denied attendance. She denied a portrayal of events that others (Sen Goss) gave. She denied responsibility because she wasn’t personally briefed – one of her senior staffers was. She’s changed her story several times.
It’s a difficult position to be in when you’ve led your Party to ascendency partly on the claim the other side engages in evil practices, then there’s the hint that you were aware and did nothing to stop those practices.
Here’s a bit of a timeline:
August 2002 Zubaydah waterboarded
September 2002 Pelosi briefed on torture
February 2003 Pelsosi staffer Michael Sheehy attended briefing discussing waterboarding of Zubaydah
March 2003 Khalid Sheik Mohammed waterboarded
June 2004 Washington Post breaks story of OLC torture memos
So she was briefed a month after something happened and she says it was presented as a future possibility? She then did not use her position to object and months later another person is tortured?
Leonard Pitts’ latest column ‘Pelosi’s Story Has Lots of Holes In It’ is pretty darn spot-on. It’s at Miamiherald.com
” Somebody call me when Nancy Pelosi gets her story straight.
“So far, the House Speaker’s explanation of what and when she knew about the Bush administration’s policy of torturing suspected terrorists is crookeder than Dick Cheney’s smile.
“This all matters because Pelosi has been leading the charge for a so-called ”truth commission…that becomes problematic if you knew about said torture for seven years and said nothing.
“Nor does Pelosi’s excuse for her silence — the briefings were classified, so she couldn’t talk about them — persuade…There is something to be said for getting things on the record, regardless.
“She didn’t say what she should’ve when saying it would have mattered. Until and unless Pelosi admits that, her ”truth commission” amounts to little more than partisanship and politics. And she can evolve no explanation that changes the obvious:
It’s easy to speak up now. It would have been courageous to speak up then.”
georgian by birth floridian because I'm lucky
May 19th, 2009
2:35 pm
temper temper, and hypocritical too. So can we only comment when directed by another poster.
As again this is not a practice you, yourself seem to be very good at.
I’m way too young to remember Carnac the Magnificent to even try to do an impersonation, not that the analogy made much reason anyway.
So what is it do you give a shyte or don’t you, will help me to divuldge your what you are actually sayin in the future.
Bosch
May 19th, 2009
2:38 pm
Ooooooh – Jay B throwing Paul a smackdown.
getalife
May 19th, 2009
2:38 pm
Paul,
Why are yoy ignoring the ones that ordered torture?
Midori
May 19th, 2009
2:39 pm
Paul,
I’ve written 3 responses, and they have all been eaten by the filter.
Each response mirrored Jay’s 2:28.
I’m glad he posted it as I was fed up trying to get those sentiments through.
Were you so concerned when Bush and Cheney lied us into Iraq?
Georgian: who are you, and what are you to me?
georgian by birth floridian because I'm lucky
May 19th, 2009
2:41 pm
So do we either have to think Pelosi is bad or think bush is wrong?
Are we not allowed to think that what both of them did was wrong?
I do find Pelosi slightly more humerous, since she condemned torture so much just to get elected, while she knew the whole time.
Bush is just kinda sad, because he actually thaught he was helping, or was decieved into thinking that, as we all know he was not the smartest guy, but I have been told Pelosi is very smart.
So I guess which is worse, a person who does evil and knows what they are doing is evil, or a person who does evil but is tricked into the evil?
Hope to not get the usual answers for this, if I get any.
georgian by birth floridian because I'm lucky
May 19th, 2009
2:45 pm
Midori,
I may ask the same question of you, who are you and what are you to my life, remember our first encounter was of your choice.
And why do you think your OPINION is more valuable than anyone elses? When you make it clear how close minded you are, because all opinions different than yours are wrong.
Which we should all know that you must be right with such consistancies as saying I don’t give a shyte then posting not 1 but 2 lengthy post about the very same topic you said you didn’t give a shyte about.
Sucks when people call you on what you write huh, or is this a private blog between you and Paul?
Paul
May 19th, 2009
2:49 pm
Doggone GA
Good catch. She’s third in the listing where president’s listed, but second to succeed.
Jay 2:28
I’ve never had much success dodging accountability by pointing to someone who did worse.
Tell me, by agreeing with what you said: how does that excuse what the Speaker has said, not said, done or not done? Because the degree is less we should ‘understand’ and ‘excuse’? Is this not just a bit (to use a well-worn example) like those televangelists preaching sexual morality and send me money and build me up who then are found to have been doing that which they condemned? Or if not doing, then standing by and doing nothing?
Bosch
May 19th, 2009
2:49 pm
Paul,
Could she have done anything about it? Weren’t these meetings top secret? Did she understand these techniques were illegal (because I’m thinking that’s a distinct possibility)?
AmVet
May 19th, 2009
2:50 pm
The man made nothing but sense. He stated the facts and backed them up. He gave clear reasons as to why EIT is torture and Dick Cheney is a liar.
Some do not like such behavior.BTW, w(ho)tf is that putz Joe Scarface-or-whatever?
As a true independent (not some former Republican hack who has supposedly found recent redemption ala the libertarian like Barr) Ventura will not be bullied by the immoral minority in the GOP. And especially by Pretty Boy who is IMHO one of the more disgusting sycophant chickenhawks and apologists to be found in this country…
And that resonates with a whole bunch of us…
ty webb
May 19th, 2009
2:51 pm
Not sure where Jimmy “the Superfly” Snuka stands on National healthcare.
Midori
May 19th, 2009
2:53 pm
Bosch,
I am in your camp, re your 2:49.
i fail to see what has Paul so fixated on Pelosi.
he sounds exactly like hannity.
Bosch
May 19th, 2009
2:53 pm
georgian by birth…,
One word: Cheney, Evil Master Genius – well, that’s four. Couldn’t resist the last three.
But seriously, no I have no proof, but I’ve always thought that Bush was just Cheney’s puppet. He knew he could never be the POTUS, so he settled for the next best thing – dumb brother of Jeb Bush who’d be his “yes” man. I know that’s conspiracy material, but think about it.
pat
May 19th, 2009
2:55 pm
If your looking for pity for kalik shiek mohammod your barking up the wrong tree.
I am not for torture, but this pity for terrorists who are all guilty of murder is beyond me. Just stop the practice and move on. If you start digging into this, you will open up a pandora’s box of things you do not want to see or know. This country is older than the past 9 years. Don’t think we didn’t torture some Soviet operatives from time to time. You do not want those books opened up just to get Bush. He ain’t worth all the other crap you are going to uncover.
Midori
May 19th, 2009
2:55 pm
AmVet,
Joe Scarborough is an MSNBC host who comes on early in the morning.
He is a wingnut to the core.
He is a former Florida congressman — funny thing is he decided not to run for reelection after one of his interns turned up dead in his office.
I believe her name was Lorie Klausitis.(?)
getalife
May 19th, 2009
2:56 pm
They already admitted torture and cheney is proud of it.
The CIA will not declassify any more info so it goes back to the admittance of guilt for torture.
I thought Paul had more sense but I guess he smoked it.
I Report :-)/ You Whine :-(
May 19th, 2009
2:56 pm
Funny, isn’t it, a guy who got paid big bucks to have his head slammed against a wall would whine about someone getting their head slammed against a wall.
Aahhh, yes, so now the libs get to tell us that getting your head slammed against the wall causes permanent mental damage, like Jesse apparently has.
Or does he?
I rule you bookman.
pat
May 19th, 2009
2:56 pm
Pelosi has already changed her story twice and some of you still believe her? Boy you are gullable. She should have just kept her stupid mouth shut.
Paul
May 19th, 2009
2:57 pm
Bosch
Calm down. It’s an interesting discussion.
getalife
[[Why are you ignoring the ones that ordered torture?]]
Because I do not consider that an excuse for Spkr Pelosi’s conduct, or lack thereof. In fact, it makes it more serious, as she strongly condemned the ones who ordered it, then went into denial when it came out she knew nearly from the beginning and did nothing.
Midori
That filter is annoying. I gave up one day. But to answer your question, yeah, I was pretty annoyed. The whole ‘lying’ thing, though, assumes a certain level of competence I am not at all sure existed.
georgian 2:41
Nicely done. Too many false choices get set up; too many ‘this’ or ‘that’ and ‘nothing else.’
Kamchak
May 19th, 2009
2:57 pm
Bosch
Sorry about leaving you as the only futbol fan on the previous thread. I was having trouble with my hoveround–you know how us old folk can be.
Bosch
May 19th, 2009
2:57 pm
Midori,
I think it’s good to discuss Pelosi, because let’s face it – she kind of did step in it – but I’m not so sure what she did was illegal. Dumb, yes, illegal no. As others (and myself on previous threads) have said, knowing about it, and ordering it, are way too different things.
Paul,
My question is – does this qualify as a kind of whistleblower thing? She wasn’t SOTH back then – she was just some Congresswoman on a committee – the Dems weren’t even in power then. So IF she’d said something or reported it – would that have been illegal?
Bosch
May 19th, 2009
2:58 pm
Paul,
Oh I’m calm – Jay issued me a smackdown yesterday – I was excited!
Midori
May 19th, 2009
2:59 pm
right on Bosch.
Bosch
May 19th, 2009
3:03 pm
Kamchak,
Hehehe. Did you see my message to ya’ last night? I was just kidding. I didn’t think old people liked soccer though
I told you I’d been out of the loop – I just went over to the UEFA site and I saw the Werder Bremen is playing in the UEFA CUP finals tomorrow. I like that team – I liked them better when Klose played for them, but I’ll definitely be pre-occupied tomorrow around 2:45.