‘The permanent Republican majority’
PRINCETON, NJ — The decline in Republican Party affiliation among Americans in recent years is well documented, but a Gallup analysis now shows that this movement away from the GOP has occurred among nearly every major demographic subgroup. Since the first year of George W. Bush’s presidency in 2001, the Republican Party has maintained its support only among frequent churchgoers, with conservatives and senior citizens showing minimal decline.
….the GOP’s loss in leaned support over this time is evident among nearly every subgroup. The losses are substantial among college graduates, which have shown a decline in GOP support of 10 points. (The losses are even greater — 13 points — among the subset of college graduates with postgraduate educations.) This may reflect in part Barack Obama’s strong appeal to educated voters, a major component of his winning coalitions in both the Democratic primaries and the general election.
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Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
May 18th, 2009
6:30 pm
And, yet, with these devastating trends, the generic Republican beats the generic Democrat in recent polls and “Chocolate Blunder” managed to beat Senator McCain by a scant four percent when a record number of conservatives stayed home and ACORN “manufactured” about 2% all votes from those who were not eligible to vote (which see current ACORN voter fraud indictments.) Sorry, Jay, this one don’t quck like a duck.
ty webb
May 18th, 2009
6:36 pm
Thank god you used a capital C and B, or Amvet would’ve called you a racist.
TW
May 18th, 2009
6:42 pm
So, I guess America ain’t stupid after all.
Just a slow, slow learner.
All that’s left is the short bus, and it gets shorter everyday…
getalife
May 18th, 2009
6:43 pm
“Chocolate Blunder”
Is that racist ty?
Bewylderrd Bull Shytter
May 18th, 2009
6:45 pm
The first two commenters are a main reason the losses will continue. Keep up the good work!
ty webb
May 18th, 2009
6:49 pm
Not if Ray Nagin’s “Chocolate City” isn’t.
Brad Steel
May 18th, 2009
6:49 pm
The most significant determinant of future voter behavior is past voting behavior. Note the huge democrat majorities in young people and the less-wavering republican support by old people.
The recent and continuing GOP leadership has screwed the GOP’s future – deservingly so. Too bad too. A stronger and more principled GOP would be good for the country, but the GOP is getting weak quickly and with the buffoon crew of Cheney, Limbaugh, Palin, Jindal, Steel, Hannity, etc. the future looks even worse.
And like the wing-nut fringe is happy to scream: THIS is ACORN’s EVIL SCHEME. (hee hee hee hee)
TDone
May 18th, 2009
6:52 pm
It is always amazing to me how people who would not vote Republican if their lives depended upon it, are spending so much time trying to tell folks what is wrong with the Republican Party. To me, that shows a severe lack of certitude on their part.
Mrs. Godzilla
May 18th, 2009
6:54 pm
Major guano spill at 6:30.
md
May 18th, 2009
6:57 pm
Same discussion roughly every decade. Nice little pattern since 1900.
Wilson, Dem – 8 yrs
Harding/Coolidge, Rep – 8 yrs
Hoover, Rep – 4 yrs
Roosevelt, Dem – 12 yrs
Truman, Dem – 8 yrs
Eisenhower, Rep – 8 yrs
Kennedy/Johnson, Dem – 8 yrs
Nixon/Ford, Rep – 8 yrs
Carter, Dem – 4 yrs
Reagan, Rep – 8 yrs
Bush, Rep – 4 yrs
Clinton, Dem – 8 yrs
Bush, Rep – 8 yrs
Obama, Dem – ???
Both parties have a way of wearing out their welcome. This country does not embrace the true ideology of any party, and the middle swings from side to side to secure the vote for one or the other. It will most likely happen again in the future as many in this country want to stay in the middle of the road vs being in the ditch on the left or right.
Bewylderrd Bull Shytter
May 18th, 2009
6:58 pm
TDone, it has nothing to do with a lack of certitude, but rather with wealth of material to work with.
Jay
May 18th, 2009
7:01 pm
I agree wholeheartedly, MD. But the length of that cycle can be extended or shortened not just by the majority party’s behavior, but by the willingness of the minority party to listen to the electorate and adjust its message and policies accordingly.
md
May 18th, 2009
7:04 pm
“Note the huge democrat majorities in young people and the less-wavering republican support by old people”
I note it and have lived it, as it has always been that way. The young vote for freebies, always have. I know I did. I wanted what others had and didn’t want to wait to get it.
I no longer vote democratic, as life has a way of showing one the big picture. And I worked long and hard to get this far, and I now resent those like I used to be. I know where they are coming from, and they are wrong.
Ray
May 18th, 2009
7:04 pm
The last election was not won by a “large majority”, as Bookman would have you believe. 46% of the electorate didn’t vote for the “Chocolate Blunder”, as Wild Bill has stated. If the Republican party is down to only 21% of the electorate, where did the remaining 35% of the votes come from? Certainly not from the Latinos, certainly not from the black electorate…. must be from moderate independents, must be from the undecided, could it be from just white bigots who don’t want one of Those People in the White House. With all of the percentages changed for the Annointed One in Bookman’s charts, you would thought McCain lost by a landslide. But he didn’t. A very respectable 46% and more if he would not have chosen Sarah and if he didn’t have the Bush legacy hanging over his head, much like Gore had Clinton baggage in 2000. Don’t count us out yet, libs. You will see a big change in 2010 and it will be to the right.
Midori
May 18th, 2009
7:05 pm
IT’S ALL NANCY PELOSI’S FAULT!!!
TAR AND FEATHER HER!!!!!
Bewylderrd Bull Shytter
May 18th, 2009
7:06 pm
md, one should also look at the history of the control of the two Houses of Congress, which presents a very different pattern. It still swings, but with a lower frequency and greater amplitude.
jt
May 18th, 2009
7:06 pm
To paraphrase Stephan Molyneux, empires grant a certain amount of liberty to their citizens in order to make us more happy, efficient, and productive, and thus encourage more economic growth–which they then exploit through taxation to expand their own profit and power. Likewise, it is more efficient to maintain a façade of liberal democracy over other methods. If the people find it favorable, it makes it so much easier for the ruling class to claim and defend a sense of legitimacy–and thus maintain power and privilege.
Were this the good ol’ CCCP, Ron Paul’s brains would’ve been used to paint some prison cell wall red. But in the US at least, such actions on a widespread scale would clash with the official ideology–the Constitution, due process, government’s job to protect people’s rights and liberties, blah blah blah. It was more efficient in the long run to keep Dr. Paul in the Republican debates (or allow Jesse Ventura to condemn the two main parties, or allow Ralph Nader to chastise corporate power, or allow the Mises Institute to preach against insane economic policies, or allow any number of activists and journalists to spread the truth about war, occupation and corporate-fascism). If pressed to the fire, the ruling class can just shrug and say: “See? We allow dissent. We’re not tyrants, this is a free democracy! These crazy libertarians and anarchists have it all wrong. We’re the good guys, really! We’re really looking out for you!” (Pssst . . . is that bailout ready yet? How’s that oil war going? Gay marriage is still banned? Great!)
Sadly, the US government has indeed gotten away with violating many people’s civil rights here while committing war crimes and economic terrorism around the world. All that’s necessary is to tweak the ideology a little bit–see “the Cold War,” “the War on Terror,” and the “Unitary Executive” theory for details.
So fear not the gallows, ye radicals. As much as they probably fear us and would love to be rid of us, the statist ruling class (at least in the West) needs radicals, and not because they truly believe in tolerance and liberal democratic values for their own sake. Instead: (1) they need ideological scapegoats to project blame for their hubris, and (2) tolerating our presence, weathering our harsh criticisms peacefully, and even engaging us allows them an air of legitimacy as far as their current “democratic” system is concerned. In the end, it boils down to image. It’s hard to defend an arrogant and openly ravenous monster, but a smooth-talking serial rapist might manage to dupe you into thinking he’s God’s gift. Who do you think would win the battle of public opinion? The ruling class understands this;
Hillbilly Deluxe
May 18th, 2009
7:08 pm
One thing never changes. The average voter focuses on the economy when things are bad and their attention shifts to other things when the economy is good. The last year or so the economy has been bad so that is what the average voter is focused on.
Taxpayer
May 18th, 2009
7:09 pm
Have I mentioned lately that I think the Republican party is doing an excellent job. I know, their ever-declining ranks speaks for itself and my words are redundant. But, I just feel compelled to help wherever I can and so I just would not feel right to let such an opportunity slip by. So, to all you supporters of the GOP, great job. Don’t change a thing. Your numbers will stabilize and once they do, you will know who is with you and then you should start planning reunions on five-year intervals. Get together. Reminisce. It will give you something to do, something to take your minds off, well, you know. I don’t need to be so redundant. Take advantage of those organizational skills that many of you acquired while setting up those tea parties. Have a good time and don’t forget to write.
RW-(the original)
May 18th, 2009
7:12 pm
Off Topic
Jay B,
If you have a Wheel of Fortune spin ID number you might want to log tonight and see if you won. Both ID’s tonight have started JB.
Brad Steel
May 18th, 2009
7:14 pm
md pontificates with : “I note it and have lived it, as it has always been that way.”
No it hasn’t. Reagan was able to woo the young vote and as that Me Generation has aged, their party affiliations have have remained consistent their mid-80’s.
And your silly little personal anecdote bodes for the delusional and marginalized, but not for reality.
md
May 18th, 2009
7:15 pm
Jay,
“But the length of that cycle can be extended or shortened not just by the majority party’s behavior, but by the willingness of the minority party to listen to the electorate and adjust its message and policies accordingly.”
True. But, sometimes it may depend solely on the performance or lack thereof of the incumbent party, especially when the swing vote was so close. We are talking a very small percentage that determined the vote, and those being in the middle tend to be fickle.
Taxpayer
May 18th, 2009
7:20 pm
Tom Price: Limbaugh “Counterproductive” … Doesn’t “Decide Who Ought To Be In The Republican Party”
Not again! Limbaugh/Cheney in 2012 is your only ticket to salvation. Well, maybe Cheney/Limbaugh in 2012 will work for you too. When will you little guys learn.
Ray
May 18th, 2009
7:22 pm
Taxpayer,
Stay tuned, it just gets better. To hear you libs talking, our demise is already a sure thing. Just wait until the electorate wakes up and realizes that this empty suit is just that, all blow and no go. Wait until some bomb goes off in a shopping center in Indianapolis. Then we’ll see how decisive he is. He can suggest that wants to reform health care, control mileage on automobiles, control corporate salaries, raise taxes on IRA distributions, re-instate the inheritance tax, spend us into the next century…. but when the economy improves, and it would have without all of the trillions that the Chinese lend us, the electorate will be interested in other things. And you can bet it won’t be the Annointed One.
md
May 18th, 2009
7:30 pm
Brad,
My personal anecdotes come from personal experience. There are always exceptions, but all the democratic friends I grew up with no longer vote democrat. We vote independent, libertarian, and republican. And the generation before me was the same way according to the older folks I know (and I still work with nursing homes so there are many).
Take that as you will, but I have been there done that. I’ll believe my life experiences vs your posts any day.
I Report :-) / You Whine :-(
May 18th, 2009
7:35 pm
Everybody knows that the older and wiser you become, the happier and more Republican you are-
If you’re thinking that Republicans are happy just because they perhaps make more money, that does not seem to be the case. The study that found Republicans to be happier than Democrats also showed that it held true even after adjusting for income.
But then again, we don’t have Obozo destroying our party so we
While the whiners
md
May 18th, 2009
7:40 pm
BS,
For the past 9 elections, young voters where majority republican only twice.
Year Democrat Republican
1976 51 47
1980 44 43
1984 40 59
1988 47 52
1992 43 34
1996 53 34
2000 48 46
2004 54 45
2008 66 32
I’ll stand behind my “anecdote”, thank you.
I bloviate/You ignore me
May 18th, 2009
7:40 pm
at 7:35- or it could just be that ignorance is bliss. Too bad for the republicans that there are two presidents destroying the party, bush and Obama. bwahhh!
Kamchak
May 18th, 2009
7:48 pm
md
DDE was president when I was born and I have always supported (D)democrats over (R)republicans. Same thing for my circle of friends. I suspect that you, like me, make friends with those that share your values. Your life experiences are just that. Please don’t presume to speak for a generation.
md
May 18th, 2009
7:52 pm
Kamchak,
I believe the chart backs up my ascertion. If you would like to post disputing percentages, I would be happy to consider them.
AmVet
May 18th, 2009
7:53 pm
Kamchak, ditto and agreed.
Only one category where there is no loss and none where there are ANY gains???
My, my, my.
But hey, you Republiconned are not doing abysmally in that all important 65+ category! Woo Hoo!
The most reactionary elements in my lifetime are praying (get it?) that the historical models hold true and the pendelum will simply swing back to the right again.
I have enormous doubts. And for numerous reasons.
This is a whole new world we live in. One where American capitalism has been gangr@ped by American criminals under the watchful eye of a Republican president. One where the lessons that we should have learned in Viet Nam were summarily dismissed by blood thirsty fools and outright cowards. One where our planet and its inhabitants, human and otherwise, are in obvious peril due to shortsighted avarice and a seemingly complete lack of concern for the needs and welfare of future generations.
And one where the dirty little secrets of our society have finally been exposed.
They desperately cling to their guns and their god (I’m not sure who I Joe Bidened that one from) and hope beyond hope the Uppity One flops like his predecessor. They want madly to return to the 1950s and the “wisdom” of Joe McCarthy. Where those people didn’t vote (much less run for office. And win!) And where women knew their place. And certainly were not allowed to make choices regarding their own bodies and reproductive systems. And perhaps most importantly, where their god was shoved down everyone’s throat at every opportunity.
They cite the fact that the RINO made a respectable showing last November. And refuse to even consider that had it been one of their neo-con darlings, it would have likely been a massacre.
From Seattle to Miami. From Boston to San Diego. The results are all in accord.
The Democrats are often awful.
But what does it say about this hijacked GOP that in comparison, at least to a very large percentage of American voters, that they and their fraud conservatism are no longer even tolerable?
Taxpayer
May 18th, 2009
7:54 pm
Year Congress Pres. Sen. (100) House (435)
2009 111th D D – 55*** D – 256
2007 110th R D – 51** D – 233
2005 109th R R – 55 R – 232
2003 108th R R – 51 R – 229
2001 107th R D* R – 221
1999 106th D R – 55 R – 223
1997 105th D R – 55 R – 228
1995 104th D R – 52 R – 230
1993 103rd D D – 57 D – 258
1991 102nd R D – 56 D – 267
1989 101st R D – 55 D – 260
1987 100th R D – 55 D – 258
1985 99th R R – 53 D – 253
1983 98th R R – 54 D – 269
1981 97th R R – 53 D – 242
1979 96th D D – 58 D – 277
1977 95th D D – 61 D – 292
Kamchak
May 18th, 2009
7:59 pm
md
I will consider your chart when you translate “For the past 9 elections, young voters where majority republican only twice.”
Wes
May 18th, 2009
8:00 pm
Jay,
I may be mistaken but aren’t the primary beneficiaries of the GOP losses independents?
It seems a shame that we’re stuck with two parties that don’t have a great deal of difference rather than free market of ideological choices.
Brad Steel
May 18th, 2009
8:00 pm
md,
your life experiences probably could show us all the world is flat and the sun revolves around the earth.
and your numbers just demonstrate what i said. since you don’t get it, i’ll explain: coming of age Me-generation voters voted republican ‘84 and ‘88 for reagan. those Me-generation voters continue to lean republican. today’s young voters voted democrat/Obama. the best predictor for future voting patterns is prior voting patterns. hence, the me-generation will skew republican and today’s obama-generation will skew democrat. and old people (65+) who have skewed republican as a block will die thus continuing to atrophy the already weak GOP.
Jay
May 18th, 2009
8:02 pm
MD, I don’t know if you saw this post — http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2009/05/14/does-political…identificationdoes-political-imprinting-drive-party-identification/ — but the Gallup data it cites contradict your personal experience. It demonstrates, for example, that the party identification of the Baby Boom generation that came of age in the ’60s and ’70s, has remained strongly Democratic, while the Republicans do best among the 36-48 crowd.
I Report :-) / You Whine :-(
May 18th, 2009
8:03 pm
I sense a Nasty Pelosi water boarding version 6.0 due to hit store shelves shortly.
Midori
May 18th, 2009
8:08 pm
Keep on beating that dead horse, Andy.
besides — you do it so very well.
Paul
May 18th, 2009
8:09 pm
md
I do remember one particularly striking poll, at a time when it appeared the Rep and Dem candidates were going to finish in a dead heat, pollsters found a clear majority agreed philosophically with the Dem candidate. Then came the question: which candidate do you think will be better for you and your finances? Answer: the Republican candidate, and so went the election by a large majority.
Point wasn’t Rep or Dem. Point was people vote their pocketbooks. One can make the point that then is was who’d leave you with most of what you had while today it’s about who’ll ‘give’ you more, but that’s another discussion.
Major factor, as Jay pointed out earlier, is the clear lead in the younger demographics. Meghan McCain’s on Colbert tonight. Maybe she has some ideas that’ll get a hearing instead of ridicule by the Laura Ingrams of the world.
AmVet
And we’ll see how the economy and debt load are in a couple years and if Dems have anything new to offer. Yeah, right. Malaria or typhoid. Take your pick.
Pleasant evening, all -
I Report :-) / You Whine :-(
May 18th, 2009
8:11 pm
diM: 5.0 is the dead horse, we need some new and exciting lie to behold.
You’re just an angry democrat.
naaaaasssstttyyyyy.
Paul
May 18th, 2009
8:12 pm
Midori
Dead horse? With Resurrection Mistress Pelosi still offering explanations about what she didn’t know… knew… thought…. heard… was briefed… wasn’t briefed….surmised… ignored…. said…. didn’t say…. misunderstood….? Keeping quiet and hoping it’ll all go away is her only hope…..
g’night
Midori
May 18th, 2009
8:14 pm
to the contrary Andy.
I’m not angry at all. Unlike you.
Your misplaced anger and frustration and ignorance shines through in each and every one of your shrill, name calling posts.
I couldn’t be happier.
watching you, only thing missing is the popcorn.
Midori
May 18th, 2009
8:15 pm
Paul,
I’ve been watching you for several days try to make hay of this “Pelosi did it” non issue.
You look pretty foolish, I might add.
I Report :-) / You Whine :-(
May 18th, 2009
8:19 pm
Paul- We have what Limbaugh would call a teachable moment.
You see what “moderation” get’s you with the democrats, you call an obvious lying charade what it is, a lie, and the lockstep army of zombie brainwashed moonbats dismisses you as a fool.
Nice “friends” you got there.
Paul
May 18th, 2009
8:20 pm
Midori
I just made a pot of chicken soup and must go.
I look foolish? Do you like being lied to by the House Majority Leader? By that, I mean, are you positive Spkr Pelosi was unaware people were being tortured at a time when she had the power to possibly stop or at least restrict the practice? If you are positive, I’d love to know the evidence. If you’re not, she is culpable in the practices she condemned.
I’ll check in later.
No blaming Bush, please. This concerns circumstances clearly within her control.
PS. I’ll be nice. Careful with the ’she couldn’t do anything, it was secret’ argument… 2004… Iranian elections… Pelosi briefed on covert ops planned to ‘influence/affect’ elections… Pelosi calls Condi. As a direct result, it’s shelved….Pelosi got the Bush administration to change…
But wouldn’t make a call to stop torture.
Later!
Midori
May 18th, 2009
8:22 pm
Paul:
the house majority leader DID NOT authorize torture.
the house majority leader DID NOT waterboard ANYONE.
the house majority leader
Midori
May 18th, 2009
8:24 pm
the house majority leader DID NOT illegally invade a country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11.
F*ck the “what did she know, and when did she know it”.
It’s all a non issue.
and yes — not only YOU but all on your side beating this dead horse look stupid as hell.
I bloviate/You ignore me
May 18th, 2009
8:24 pm
Even more foolish looking than Paul over the Pelosi non-issue are the right-wingers screaming for her head because she knew about something that, according to them, was never illegal in the first place, and denied it. What is next, outrage that she has denied knowing people who tore off their mattress tags?
Midori
May 18th, 2009
8:28 pm
Let’s go to the tape, shall we?
Jesse makes it sound sooooo much better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSra-McRZEc
Oh yeah, let’s not ignore this little gem either: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhd9_sqjHsI
Have I mentioned lately how silly you all look?
DB, Gwinnettian
May 18th, 2009
8:30 pm
All I know is, that John Boehner, hoo boy! he must be one powerful fella.
After all, I’ve been hearing now for a week that the House minority leader has the juice to unilaterally declassify information and stop opposition party Administrations dead in their tracks.
I fear the Mighty Boehner. Do you?
getalife
May 18th, 2009
8:31 pm
Yeah, Pelosi ordered torture to try to find a 9/11 to Iraq link to justify the occupation and genocide.
Paul is looking silly but to be expected from Andy.
Andy does silly really well.
DB, Gwinnettian
May 18th, 2009
8:32 pm
Having said this, I do enjoy a good homemade chicken soup, and it’s good weather for it. Bon appetite, Paul. Pleasant evening to all.
I Report :-) / You Whine :-(
May 18th, 2009
8:32 pm
Anybody else notice that bookman is careful to scold Republicans but never Conservatives?
The United States of America is a Conservative nation and always will be.
The Republican party is a pseudo Conservative organization and wasn’t always that way.
Our biggest successes were with our biggest Conservatives.
Ever wonder why an extreme left wing liberal senator ran for president on a platform of “tax cuts” and a “stronger military?”
I rule you bookman but lucky for you, many of my fellow Conservatives just want to “get along.”
eewwwww
getalife
May 18th, 2009
8:36 pm
Like I said.
Silly.
Mike
May 18th, 2009
8:37 pm
getalife –
“genocide”?
What ethnic group was Bush seeking to exterminate?
If Bush and the rest are as bad as you claim you shouldn’t need to make up offenses against him.
John
May 18th, 2009
8:41 pm
I just love the implication that you are stupid and uneducated if you are a republican. I cut across most of these demographics, yet I am neither old or uneducated. I guess I just slipped through the cracks. This is one of the reasons that I despise the “liberal elite”, you really think that you are intelectually superior! Here’s a clue, you are not more intelligent, you just have a different set of values that lean toward communism.
getalife
May 18th, 2009
8:42 pm
Mike,
Iraqis silly.
He killed many of them with his holy war.
He will spend eternity with saddam.
Blaine
May 18th, 2009
8:47 pm
md,
I assume your age data as “% of young voters voting for each party” (you omitted what the data actually was). If so, you should read the data. It shows that the youth vote fluctuates over the years also. In the 80’s there was mid-to-strong support for the Republicans, a shift toward the Dems in the 90’s (although you can see that Perot took a sizable (mostly Republican) chunk in 92) followed by an even split for the parties in 2000 which seemed to quickly deteriorate as Bush was in office. I’d say if anything, it was the Republican’s turn to garner the youth vote, but Bush repulsed them. I am certainly in that camp — I was a Republican from 12 – 20 but now am a Democrat due mostly to the Bush administration.
Mike
May 18th, 2009
8:48 pm
getalife –
You don’t seem to have a remote clue as to what genocide means,
Let me help you with Webster’s definition of a term that most of learned in high school:
“the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.”
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/genocide
Are you really saying that the Iraq War was a “deliberate and systematic extermination of Iraqis”?
Let me know if I need to get you a definition of “deliberate” or “extermination” for you.
Mike
May 18th, 2009
8:50 pm
Kountry Klub Kowboy –
Thanks for that education in liberal tolerance. LOL
getalife
May 18th, 2009
8:50 pm
Yeah Mike.
Deal with it.
Kamchak
May 18th, 2009
8:51 pm
Paul
On the previous thread Jay put the time frame at six or seven years ago. Simple mathematics puts that in the years 2002-2003. Gallop puts President Bush’s approval rating for 2002 beginning at 85% dropping virtually straight line to 60%. 2002 starts and ends at 60% with peaks and valleys throughout the year. Anyone going up against that kind of popularity is facing a meat-grinder. Dick Cheney frames the debate by saying your either for us, or against us, and publicly says GFY to an opposition Senator. It was/is apparent that administration was determined to invade Iraq, and torture was the expedient measure used to secure evidence of AQ-Iraq connection. I rejected your supposition of the Strafor report as rationalizing the reasons for torture, and this attempt to shift the focus on Pelosi is obfuscation of the original crime and those responsible.
mike
May 18th, 2009
8:52 pm
getalife –
On what do you base your claim that Bush was deliberately seeking to exterminate Iraqis?
Mike
May 18th, 2009
8:54 pm
getalife –
Also, what was Bush’s motivation for deliberately seeking to exterminate Iraqis?
Mike
May 18th, 2009
8:57 pm
It’s amusing that so many of the liberals on this blog bleat on and on about the intolerance of conservatives, yet demonstrate utter intolerance themselves.
From Kowboy’s spittle-spewing name calling to getalife’s claims of the utter evil of Republicans, many of these folks demonstrate a complete lack of tolerance for any who dare not share their views. Just as intolerant conservatives sunk the GOP, so will intolerant liberals do the same to Democrats.
AmVet
May 18th, 2009
8:57 pm
“Our biggest successes were with our biggest Conservatives.”
Andy please do elaborate. I’d love to see this comprehensive list…
I Report :-) / You Whine :-(
May 18th, 2009
8:57 pm
Babbling Bathhouse Bozo- We are known to society as productive while you are known as a burden. You scheme our riches because you are too much of a moron to earn your own way. With these obviously debilitating shortfalls that you have to deal with in your otherwise pointless life, it does not surprise me that you see baby killing, sodomy and perversion as some sick form of morality, you long to be righteous but you only have diseases to call your own.
Yes, grasp for the straws as you sink beneath the waves because America wakes up to you, and does not like what they see.
Kamchak
May 18th, 2009
8:59 pm
Ad hominem attack
Ad hominem attack
Ad hominem attack
Boo-hoo-hoo. You are picking on me because you don’t like me.
I Report :-) / You Whine :-(
May 18th, 2009
9:00 pm
amwet- Abraham Lincoln?
Ronald Reagan?
George Washington? (Yeah, go ahead and tell me this dude was for abortion.)
md
May 18th, 2009
9:01 pm
Jay,
“but the Gallup data it cites contradict your personal experience.”
Not necessarily. My experience is that us young dems left the dem party, but not for the rep party. Many are indep and libertarian.
I still contend is more like the haves and have nots, but there is a lot of grey area.
Midori
May 18th, 2009
9:05 pm
Also, what was Bush’s motivation for deliberately seeking to exterminate Iraqis?.
maybe Jesus appeared to him inside his falafel, and gave him the nod?
who are we kidding? Bush doesn’t “do” falafels. not macho enough.
Mike
May 18th, 2009
9:06 pm
Kamchak –
What ad-hominem attack are you talking about? Kountry Klub Kowboy’s diatribe at 8:51?
Trust me, I care about as much about whether intolerant folks like me as I would if a proud racist liked me. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of you and people like you.
I Report :-) / You Whine :-(
May 18th, 2009
9:06 pm
Why did Obozo have to kampaign as a conservative?
Why does Obozo abandon his left wing constituency with glee?
Why does Obozo criticize his own spending habits?
If liberalism is so great and something Republicans should “reach out to,” why does Obozo run from it, just as fast as he can?
No votes with those ideas?
Hmmmm?
Kamchak
May 18th, 2009
9:12 pm
Mike
Just like you did all day Saturday you perch on your pity pedestal producing a predictable pablum that you repeat every time you come here. It all boils down to the same–”boo-hoo, I’m being picked on because you don’t like me.”
vuduchld
May 18th, 2009
9:13 pm
Republicans on these blogs feel that when Obumma fails that the G no P will be waiting in the wings to seize the reins of power. If you idiots think that, you’re smoking meth. You idiots have zero place at the table, been there, done that! Look at your party, a party of old, angry white men. Sorry, we don’t want shriveled up prunes running for office.President Obama is doing just fine thank you, so please stop throwing more latinos, blacks, indians and women our way, you’re just giving them lip service. We can see clearly through that, but we’ll take that drug addict baboon Rush Limbaugh, he is the true face of the G no P!!
AmVet
May 18th, 2009
9:15 pm
Three dead guys!
Oh Andy, you are truly a work of buffoonish art…
mike
May 18th, 2009
9:21 pm
Kamchak –
Hmmm. Nothing I was talking about on Saturday had anything to do with a comment directed at me at all. I was pointing out that Convert’s comments were anti-Christian bigotry. As I am not a practicing Christian, it had nothing to do with me at all.
My “predictable pablum” sparked a lot of thougtful discussion and was the central topic of a conversation that went on for most of the day. In fact, many thoughtful liberals who are not driven solely by intolerance and hatred said they agreed with me.
But hey, you aren’t here to actually address anything that anyone says. You are here to tell us who you hate, right? Proceed.
Kamchak
May 18th, 2009
9:24 pm
“Thoughtful discussion?” Even Andy told you that you are full of yourself.
I Report :-) / You Whine :-(
May 18th, 2009
9:24 pm
Obozo kampaigned on “tax cuts for 95% of Americans,” and then governs as a true tax and spend liberal, and the democrats think Americans are too stupid to see this, and I say if that is true, you can have those Americans in your sick little party.
If they enjoy being lied to that much……
mike
May 18th, 2009
9:24 pm
Any other folks here believe that the Iraq War was an attempt at genocide? Or is getalife the only person whose partisanship has driven him to accuse Bush of a level of evil comparable to Hitler’s?
md
May 18th, 2009
9:26 pm
vuduchld,
Intolerant individuals such as yourself is what brought Bush to power. It wasn’t that everybody loved Bush, it was the distaste of the deomcratic party and Clinton.
Cycles. The pendulum swings.
Andy rules Jay
May 18th, 2009
9:27 pm
Republicans make great victims. Whine like little girls they do at even the smallest perceived slight.
For 8 years they had no clue, now in 100 days they have all the answers…
ewwwwwwwww
I Report :-) / You Whine :-(
May 18th, 2009
9:27 pm
Like I say, America is waking up-
The Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority reports over 400 conventions and business meetings scheduled to take place in Las Vegas recently have cancelled. These cancelled events translate into 111,800 guests in Las Vegas and over 250,000 “room-nights”. The cancelled conventions and meetings have cost the Las Vegas economy over $100-million, not including gaming revenue.
“I am disappointed at the hypocrisy shown by this Administration,” Gibbons said, “President Obama is coming to Las Vegas later this month for a political fundraiser, but he will not help the struggling families in Las Vegas and Nevada who are out of work because of his reckless comments.” Governor Gibbons noted, “President Obama is coming to Las Vegas to raise campaign cash for Senator Harry Reid, apparently our money is good enough for the President, but our tourism, jobs, and economic future are not.” Gibbons added, “This is politics, pure and simple, President Obama stood for change, but all he has done is brought negative economic change to Nevada.”
bwa
Mike
May 18th, 2009
9:29 pm
Kamchak –
““Thoughtful discussion?” Even Andy told you that you are full of yourself.”
LOL. And since when has Andy’s commentary been considered thoughtful? Are you telling me that you consider his commentary thoughtful?
He didn’t like the fact that I also called his rhetoric as extreme and intolerant as Convert’s.
Why on earth would you think that I would care about Andy’s opinion of me? Because you see the world in a strict dichotomy of “us and them”?
Here is a clue: most people don’t define themselves as hardcore partisans and reflexively lock arms with those who fall into their camp.
georgian by birth floridian because I'm lucky
May 18th, 2009
9:32 pm
So much hostility yet very few issues being discussed tonight.
Seems as if many are simply intolerent of others views.
Strange how some things are non issues but other things from years ago are important, is there a guide for us all to refer to when trying to understand if an issue is important or not?
Mike
May 18th, 2009
9:33 pm
“Republicans make great victims. Whine like little girls they do at even the smallest perceived slight.”
Accusing people of genocide is not a perceived slight. It is an accusation of the utmost evil.
Kowboy’s long rant at 8:43 where he states (among other bile):
“Your lives are poisoned by igonorance, self loathing and you are about as primative as Forest Gump with a lobomy. You know that no one would ever change places with you, and you are tool of the ruling class. You are cheep, plain and ugly inside, and like the neanderthal, you are growing more useless and extinct with each passing day.”
is not a perceived slight. It is hate speech.
Do I need to provide you with a definition of perceived as I had to provide getalife with a definition of genocide?
AmVet
May 18th, 2009
9:35 pm
Though nothing like the clusterf&ck that used to exist at Luckovich’s, this place is exhibiting similar personalities recently.
The newer inmates are desperately trying to run the asylum.
And the older ones are more delusional and rabid than ever, now that the Uppity One has taken the reins from King George…
mike
May 18th, 2009
9:37 pm
AmVet –
Which category do you fall into?
Bosch
May 18th, 2009
9:40 pm
Kamchak,
Eisenhower was Prez when you were born? Wow, you’re old! Ha ha just kidding.
Midori,
I saw somewhere today where the Virgin Mary appeared in a window.
DB,
Boehner is just yelling “Pelosi LIED” because he has nothing else to do.
As I mentioned earlier today, I think the GOPers will work to put up a moderate – I think they’ll realize as a couple years pass as they sink into oblivion. But then, it could be too late – who knows – only time will tell, as it also will for Obama.
I think Obama is doing a great job, but also as I mentioned earlier, I do like to have at least two people to consider when voting – and the past election, I didn’t have that option. I’ve always respected McCain, but his campaign made it clear to me that he’s not the leader we need.
At the time, he seemed like Bush III, but it is hard to deny that Obama is carrying out some of the same foreign policies as Bush – but I chalk that up to the fact that you can’t just do a 180 when we are talking about AQ and the Taliban. I still have faith that he’ll make good decisions based on what Bush should have done – the military and Gates. For right now, I trust Gates to make the right choices and Obama will rely on that. So, I like that.
I also have not been all that thrilled with this stimulus bill, but I realize it has to be done – and as I’ve mentioned if spending is going to be done, I’d rather it be here.
So, my two cents for right now.
‘24′ is boring.
Bosch
May 18th, 2009
9:45 pm
Oh, and I certainly didn’t have the option of two people to vote for in 2004 – in 2000 if McCain had won back then, and stuck to his guns – then I would have had two people to consider.
Taxpayer
May 18th, 2009
9:49 pm
What is all the fuss about. All of you 20 percenters or 17 percenters or whatever is left of you just need to tell yourself, “I am relevant”, as many times per day as you need to and you will be OK. Honest. And, by the way, you are doing a great job. If you need more of a pick-me-up than that little chant, try tuning into Limbaugh or that Huckleberry fella. I think they’re both on the AM now. Maybe y’all just need a good night’s sleep.
TW
May 18th, 2009
9:56 pm
Midori – great stuff. Hadn’t seen The Body own the little gerbil – great tape.
As far as Pelosi, we’re supposed to be surprised the right goes after a woman like this? Total Dick Cheney move. Let’s see, immigrants, blacks, the poor, women…
Oh, those tough ‘publicans…
georgian by birth floridian because I'm lucky
May 18th, 2009
10:01 pm
TW,
Are you trying to say that women should be treated different, or from your list are we to assume that the only people you think should be “gone after” are I guess white males?
If so how should one be held to accountability if they are not a white male, like lets just say that a powerful political figure lies, should nothing be said, or how sould it be handled?
Bud Wiser
May 18th, 2009
10:15 pm
By KEN THOMAS and PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writers Ken Thomas And Philip Elliott, Associated Press Writers
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama plans to propose the first-ever national emission limits for cars and trucks as well as average mileage requirements of 35.5 miles per gallon by 2016 — all costing consumers an extra $1,300 per vehicle.
Since most of Obozo’s supporters here ride MARTA, Figuring this is also a nationwide representation, it is safe to assume that this is yet another tax on the “haves”, as opposed to the “have-nots”, a <Republican-only tax, if you will.
Obozo must be schizoid.
One day he dumps on the left, the next day he dumps on the right.
If I were schizophrenic like that moron, I might coin a phrase, something like….”I really don’t like this president, and neither do I.”
getalife
May 18th, 2009
10:15 pm
Now the gop want an investigation on torture.
For Pelosi.
Bring it on.
AmVet
May 18th, 2009
10:16 pm
Our beloved Demander in Chief/One-trick Pony,
I would think if you had any shame whatsoever, you would either a) find a new line of questioning, one that actually contributes to the discussion at hand rather than obsessing over the personalities therein or b) find another blog where you are not universally laughed at.
Just saying…
ty webb
May 18th, 2009
10:19 pm
Wow. The name calling has been taken to another level. Anybody want to go back and take a tally of which “side” has been harsher. My unofficial count has the “progressives” way ahead. Keep up the bomb throwing and baseless charges. Viva la Hope and Change.
jaypat
May 18th, 2009
10:19 pm
What the country really needs is an alternative to the two parties which have ruled us into disaster.
This new party would have several characteristics:
1. It would abide closely to the Constitution, particularly where the creation of money is concerned. (I am convinced that less that 1% of the public really understand where their money comes from.)
2. It would be grounded in “rational explanations of events.” Rationality seems to be in short supply in politics today. There is a very good reason why some things are in the Constitution–that way we don’t have to reinvent the wheel, so to speak. These are the enduring questions of politics, and the framers tried to answer them. (For example, “where does the money come from?; who should have the power to declare war?; is the President an emperor?”.)
These questions have been put through the wringer of history and the output was our Constitution. In my opinion, it is the greatest political document ever written.
Yet over the years we have let greed and imperialism and religiosity tear this glorious document asunder.
Rationalism. Let it begin here. Let us begin such a political party based on reason and rationality.
AmVet
May 18th, 2009
10:23 pm
“Thank god you used a capital C and B, or Amvet would’ve called you a racist.”
“Wow. The name calling has been taken to another level. Anybody want to go back and take a tally of which “side” has been harsher. My unofficial count has the “progressives” way ahead.”
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
ty webb
May 18th, 2009
10:28 pm
Amvet,
Thanks, thought you’d like it.