Secession, nullification … Is Georgia this crazy?

This is absolutely disgusting. I am a conservative Christian. I am also a patriotic American. No politician who rejects the American flag and the American Constitution will ever get my vote. Talk of secession is treason.

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Acorn, the failed major cities of the US and some crank northern states all voted for “change” and now they are gonna get their very own country to change.

The rest of us like the country the way it has been for 233 years.

We just need a new Declaration of Independence from our little king.

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19th century??? How?

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I’m with you, Jay. These guys get paid! With taxpayer money! To reenact the Civil War! What next. Will Oxendine start off his campaign by sending out Confederate currency with his picture on it? Talk about your party re-branding — something that starts with a big bold capital “L” sounds fitting.

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It’s better than a soap opera! Get out the popcorn, prop up your feet, lean back and have fun watching.

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What are you talking about, Jay? I read your article. There was no benefit of the doubt. You pointed out that they were basically idiots, and (gasp!) you were right. So why backpedal now? Is this to give the impression that you are becoming a fair and balanced reporter? You’re not, so you can stop pretending. On this topic, you were right then and you’re right now. Then again, even a broken watch is right twice a day.

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“NEOconfederate. WTF?”

“neo” means “new” – there can’t be any OLD confederates, they’ve all died. All we have now is the “new” confederates who never gave up on the possibility of winning the rebellion and restoring a “nation” that never was.

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irrelevant one @ 2:24,

Watch your blood pressure, sweetie, I want a good time tonight.

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The Southern Anthem… Also the greatest song EVER!!!

Elvis “An American Trilogy”

Oh I wish I was in the land of cotton
Old things they are not forgotten
Look away, look away, look away dixieland
Oh I wish I was in dixie, away, away
In dixieland I take my stand to live and die in dixie
Cause dixieland, thats where I was born
Early lord one frosty morning
Look away, look away, look away dixieland

Glory, glory hallelujah
Glory, glory hallelujah
Glory, glory hallelujah
His truth is marching on

So hush little baby
Dont you cry
You know your daddys bound to die
But all my trials, lord will soon be over

Glory, glory hallelujah
His truth is marching on
His truth is marching on

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Georgia is a welfare state, i.e. it gets more money from DC than it pays in.

The per capita income for the City of Atlanta in 2005 real dollars is $25,254.

For the rest of the State of Georgia it is $40,155.

Anybody care to take a stab at why Georgia is a “welfare” state?

This doesn’t even take into account the confiscatory sales and business taxes that Atlanta charges outsiders just to keep their nasty little berg afloat.

Why do you think we want to shed our little Obozo voters, to get rid of our primary source of income, bwahahahahahahahaha, clown.

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irrelevant one @ 2:53,

Well, I would, honeypie, but the last time you used it you got it all sticky and messy. Will you buy me one for my very own?

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I sort of like this possibility.

Georgia becomes an independent country, the US Army invades, quickly captures Georgia’a Rulers, and confines them in the brand new Combatant Holding Facility located in Maine or Pennsylvania or Nevada.

Next the US military oversees Georgia’s reconstruction. Spending Billions of Dollars. High Speed Rail is constructed from Atl to DC. Eventualy Georgia is allowed to hold free elections wherein no person, Democrat or Republican, who was ever elected to state office is allowed to run.

Net gain for Georgia.

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I have thought that the rhetoric about the death (and insanity) of the GOP was vastly overstated. Apparently it was not. What planet are these guys living on?

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The only certainty I see from the GOP is that they are indeed null…and devoid…of functioning brains. What are they down to now, 17 percent. Less. By the way, keep up the good work, GOPers. The DoDo will finally be re-united with its off-spring.

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@2:43: Your straw men don’t change reality: Georgia depends on the federal government. We’ll be glad to keep Atlanta, though it only means that the Republic of Georgia will go downhill that much sooner and we’ll have to beef up the border patrol to keep your refugees out of the US. Though of course we wouldn’t do that.

You’ve got your little resolution. Time for the next step. Put up or shut up.

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Bennett, that number is not significant. Something on the order of 3% or so. I think we could make that up very quickly, especially if we no longer have to fund Federal mandates we do not agree with.

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irrelevant one @ 3:03,

It’d be mighty thoughtful of you to buy me one of my own, and keep your, ummm, body parts away from it. Will ya, babe?

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Mike, how about unfunded mandates? Isn’t that a good place to start? Refuse to implement, bring the case to court, and let’s see how it goes.

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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. If the republican party is so dead and irrelevant why do y’all pay so much attention to them. Could it be that the ten or so loyal libs that hang out on this blog have a sinking feeling that they are not really the majority even if they do see their name in print?

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I think Susan just soiled her Depends

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It was unpatriotic in 2003 to be opposed to the Iraq war. Either you were for BushCo, or with the terrorists. In 2009, it’s quite alright though to speak of seceding from the Union. Go figure.

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Mike:

“Mike, how about unfunded mandates? Isn’t that a good place to start?”

Unfunded mandates are big problem, but the states don’t have the right to ignore them. The answer is to get the Republicans in Congress and at the state level to make cogent arguments about their damaging effects than have them talking about secession, which in my conservative mind is treasonous.

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It’s no surprise that the states that love the Federal government the most are the ones with the greatest problems today: California, New York, Maryland, Michigan.

So how many of you are better off today than you were a year ago? We swapped a crappy President for a socialist/marxist one, and everyone seems surprised that the private sector economy is not recovering. The private sector produces while the government sector seduces with promises of fairness.

To think that all fifty states are going to sit back and endure more and more of the shovel fulls of mandates such as unemployment for people receiving Pell grants so they can go to the already overcrowded universities is a laugh. Some will take decisive action away from the idiotcratic leadership we are seeing by Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and friends.

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Get Real –

“It was unpatriotic in 2003 to be opposed to the Iraq war.”

Oh please. Many folks like to make this silly claim, but it doesn’t have much basis in fact. I’ve seen liberals on this board accuse conservatives of being unpatriotic more times than I can count and Wanda Sykes called Rush Limbaugh the 20th hijacker in front of an applauding press corps, so spare me.

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It is amusing to pick on the wannabe seceded ones and watch them Puff’NStuff.

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Get Real –

“While driving up GA 400, a conservative republican wondered why he had to pay taxes. He hit a pothole and blew a tire, then wondered why that part of the road wasn’t fixed.”

More nonsense. Georgia has had some of the best roads in the country for decades and it has been run by conservatives throughout that time.

Conservatives primarily oppose high taxes because they strangle the economy. Feel free to give us the contrary argument.

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Wyld Byll Hyltnyr, based upon your 3:06, maybe you should lobby your congressman and senators to have the Gitmo detainees relocated to Georgia. That way you have a turnkey militia to augment your Talibaptist society. The Gitmo Taliban and the Georgia Talibaptists do have a lot in common, do they not?

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We all know GOP wingnuts see the federal government as the enemy, except when they control it. It’s mindblowing how nutty they are.

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Susan, Georgia cherishes a history of Jim Crow. They presently are making a strong attempt to get back to their roots by putting in place their present “Juan Crow” system in order to nostalgically return to a time and place where only white was right.

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I wouldn’t be in favor of secession but no matter what any of the politicians do, for good or bad, Georgia is my home and I ain’t going anywhere.

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I realize Jay was asking a rhetorical question, but…

Yes. Georgia conservatives really ARE this blinded by ignorant hatred. They really DO hate America this much. And they really, sincerely, would rather see this country destroyed than to see the Democrats successfully solve its problems.

That’s why “Neanderthal” is so often paired with “conservative.”

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Talk of secession in the South just weeks after the first African-American is inaugurated as the country’s president? This has nothing to do with “state’s rights” today anymore than it did the first time we tried it. It’s racism.

They don’t call it the Southern strategy for nothin’. Georgia Republicans (among others) are racists and Oxendine’s “confederate gray” comment is more evidence of that.

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Conservatives hate America?? Buddy, Conservatives BUILT AMERICA…try again. Rhetoric…some Rhetoric anyone? Bueller…Bueller…?

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Copylefty, how do “conservatives” hate this country any differently as it is becoming, than how “liberals” hated this country for what it used to be.

This is NOT your father’s U.S.A. And it isn’t getting any better.

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Right on Tray,

if these folks had any sense of what states were SUPPOSED to be like, then they would have a different opinion.

It’s hard to imagine that people are against slavery, yet are willing to work for a Federal Government and give all they produce to that same government during 1 of the next 4 years. Which year are you going to work for the Feds?

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Georgia republicans are racist? Oh, and blacks in georgia aren’t?? That’s right, racism is a one way street-tell that to white kids beat up outside of six flags by a gang of blacks…

by the way, you are all aware that Obama will widen the race relations gap, not close it, right? I don’t give a SHI* if this guy is balck or not, he’s an IDIOT, that’s the more defining factor of my dislike towards him. Here he is trying to be a CEO of numerous companies, but his best accomplishment is ‘Community Organizer’. it take a lot to run a business, and D’Ohbama doesn’t have the experience, knowledge, or know how…

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Tray –

“I swear, ALL OF YOU need to read the constitution. The STATES are SUPPOSED to have more power than the Fed!!”

The Supreme Court disagrees with you (and theirs is the opinion that counts.) Google Prigg vs. Pennsylvania and Ableman v. Booth. The nullification issue was settled over a century and a half ago.

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EJ, i’ve been working for the Feds (unknowingly) since i got my first job long ago bagging groceries and stacking cat food!!

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Mike, the CONSTITUTION AGREES WITH ME, AND THAT IS THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND!! not some judges… But, you’re a Dem, and it’s quite clear they all ignore the Constitution.

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Well, I’m done for my day, have a great one all of you, Dem or Repub or Other.

“confuse a liberal-use facts and logic”

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People talking of secession really are a bunch of whining ninnys. They can’t handle the grown ups being in charge now – so they whine, pitch fits and hissies and threaten to leave.

GO!!! Please!!!

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And TRAY is STILL bagging groceries and stacking cat food!

A crazed Repub canary – in search of a cage! Typical.

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Dang, this is getting good. If this is any sign of what the race for the governor’s office will be like, bring it on. “Is you is or is you ain’t my constituency?” shall be the battle cry. The one that is most pro-secession will win the election! Will they each be bragging about their Georgia lineage as well. “Well, my great great great great great grandpappy fought side by side with General Jackson right here on this very patch of dirt that I live on.”

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Tom:

Serious question here. Why would there be anything wrong with working in a grocery store? It’s honest work that needs to be done.

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Uh Dave R, it’s not my job to be your real estate agent, or your Internet director. You have repeatedly expressed your dissatisfaction at being here, but yet you remain.

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I propose a compromise. The City of Atlanta, and any of the core counties that wish to join, should break off from Georgia and create the District of Atlanta. The capitol could move to Savannah or Albany for all I care. No military controlled border. No messy/stupid war of secession. Everyone just gets what they want.

Georgia would be left to their own devices to do whatever it is they like doing (Nascar and abstinence I would assume, and keep them quite about all this secession talk. Atlanta would become the second largest city proper in the country if all the big five counties come along which would give us bragging rights (an Atlantans dream vindication) and allow us to fornicate/sodomize/weed smoke/abortionate/miscegenate/be socialists without any trouble.

Btw, I’m only half joking with this post. I think it could work

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Waronxmas @4:13

Yeah! sign me up and keep fighting the good war!

….the 2nd largest city… It would help Atlanta’s city-envy problem.

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These people who talk of secession remind me of those little kids who want to take their ball and go home when the game isn’t going the way they want it to.

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Jay,

This is not a real news story. You say 43% of GA Republicans think we should secede. That means that you’ve got a block of voters that someone going through the Republican primary can’t ignore. It also suggests that the vast majority of Georgians are against it.

Are you really that surprised that politicians are trying to appease a portion of their base? Isn’t it a little more concerning that because of this trait in both parties we can’t get rid of farm subsidies, earmarks, and all the other government waste?

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I want some of what Byll is smoking.

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“Are you really that surprised that politicians are trying to appease a portion of their base?”

Probably not–he just likes winding people up now and again. Don’t we all?

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Midori

This is a response to your 4:02 yesterday. A few weeks ago I suggested that eating locally produced honey is a homeopathic remedy for your allergies. Unfortunately this will not cure your current condition, but it will help in the future. The Dekalb Farmer’s Market on Ponce de Leon has a wide selection of honey. Weeks Honey Farm from Omega Ga. has been my choice for two years. Omega isn’t exactly in the environs of Atlanta, but it works for me. My two favorites are the wildflower honey and the tupelo honey.

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Its interesting how history repeats itself. SC threatened seccession over nullification rights against federal tariffs in the 1830’s. Most other southern states passed on it due to Jackson’s saber rattling. SC eventually caved as well. Jackson was thought a tyranncal despot lording increasing federal power over the states by his adversaries.

America survived Jackson, it will survive Obama as well.

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Kamchak — MY HERO!!!!

Thanks very much

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Make that 166 points below the state average.

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Yeah, your army would be “bad to the bone” after all the Conservatives left out, bwahahaha-

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, her eyes wide, her hands gesticulating wildly, on Thursday laid out a third version of what she knew and when she knew it on the Bush administration’s interrogation policies, edging ever closer to debating what the meaning of the word “is” is.

You’d backstab yourselves to death and then surrender, to someone.

Anyone.

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May 14 (Bloomberg) — President Barack Obama, calling current deficit spending “unsustainable,” warned of skyrocketing interest rates for consumers if the U.S. continues to finance government by borrowing from other countries.

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Heeeellloooooooooooo??????????????????

Is there anybody in there?

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Thank you Jay for reining in Susan Meyers.
Her comments were scandalous.

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not only that Frederick – they can’t spell “socialist” either.

the ninnies keep adding a “s” to the end.

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Andy’s head exploded again.

Clean up at 5:49 Jay.

Ew.

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Seems these GOPers need someone to help them out with recent events. Here’s a little bit to help you 17 percenters along.

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Doubt it. If they did and lost the protection of the United States government and such, Cuba or Mexico could invade and annex Georgia if they so desired, just a Russia was able to simply roll over its own Georgia, or regions of that nation were simply able to break away and form their own nations like South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

Give the fact that Atlanta tends to lean rather towards the Democratic, as does a huge swath of the state around Columbia, both these areas would likely prefer to remain part of the U.S. rather than secede, so the U.S. could of course act to prevent these areas of the state from seceding and remain part of the United States. The New nation of Georgia would lose the area that provides the bulk of its economy in that case.

Whats driving this secession talk is basically the fact that the state is slowly moving into the blue column. with Democrats making up 47 percent of the vote in the 2008 election with trends suggesting that in 2010 this divide will get even closer.

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Something dumber than ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Riiiight.

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I really don’t like it when people throw out the race card, and I’m certainly not trying to do it, but I find it rather interesting, and not coincidental, that people are talking about secession. Big government, especially big federal government, and spending and all the things that these whining secessionist ninnys have never seemed to be bothered with before are all of a sudden talking about leaving. They are yelling about it now, when that’s been the norm since WWII. Now? Oh, all of a sudden it’s un-American and they want to form a new country.

I want to think it’s different, but I don’t. Anyone want to call me a rascist – go for it. I’m not the one wanting to secede.

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Lets see, the Atlanta Metro Area looks like a big blue blotch on the electoral map and the Atlanta Metro area makes up 5,278,904 people of the total roughly 9 million population of the state.

McCain won this state by about 204,000 votes. In 2004, the youth vote made up about 14 percent of this states population, in 2008 18 percent. Obama won his largest amount of voters among the young in this state, and the trend towards younger voters leaning towards the Democrats in this state is not changing. The assertion that as the young get older they change party affiliation does not hold much water. It is rare that people switch party affiliations. A young democrat may support a liberal Democrat, and when they get older, support a Conservative Democrat, but switching parties is rare.

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Bosch not calling you a racist, sure that is some people’s motive. However do you really think that ALL are doing it based on race?

If you do it is your opinion and are more than entitled to it, but may I ask why it is you feel this way?

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Off topic

Looky, looky what I found! Now maybe some of you knew this already, but I sure didn’t.

Billo didn’t think gay marriage was wrong back in 2002, and he wasn’t so fond of holy rollers.

http://www.americablog.com/2009/05/funny-bill-oreilly-didnt-think-gay.html

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jt @ 6:03,

Ahhh, poor baby, I’m sorry I offended you. Not!

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Bosch @ 7:07,

You hit the nail on the head. That’s exactly what’s going on. They’ll try to lie their way out of it, but it doesn’t change the truth.

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Maybe I am way off, but how is legalizing, weed any different?

I am actually in favor of the decriminalization of pot, but just curious if you all feel that Arnold and all the state leg. in florida are guilty of treason, or are stupid and racist too?

Why are they allowed to ignore federal laws and I haven’t heard complaints?

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Come to think of it, it’s the only circumstance in which I’d be willing to surrender more in taxes.

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I knew it! Carrie Prejean and Fixed Noise. It had to happen.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2009/05/14/miss-california-on-cable-news-fox–friends-gives-carrie-prejean-her-chance.html

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I have no desire to see any state leave (ok..I DO want to see large parts of california fall into the ocean, but thats plate tectonics not politics) however, for those who like to keep harping that we “lost” the 1861-1865 war, we lost that battle but southerners won the war..we dominated congress for much of the last 146 years ..thats why everything in atlanta NOT named after a black preacher hustler is named after Richard B. Russell

as a side note when liberal teachers enjoyed pointing out that reconstruction was forced on rebellious southerners, I enjoyed pointing back that Jim crow resulted from reconstruction ,,consider it blowback…and I always take comfort than more northerners died in the war than did so on my ancestors side.

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Susan @ 7.29, I saw your linked story. question:

How will anyone be able to tell the CA bubble-brain from the interchangeable, surgically enhanced bottle-blonde they normally have on the show?

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Whiner if you hate America so much – you and your friends are sure free to leave.

And yeah, Jay, to your topic, Georgia is *that* backward.

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Some people are saying our country should get back to how it used to be and how it is supposed to be. What can they mean by that? This country is constantly evolving and changing – that is the beauty of it and why it has been so successful. This certainly isn’t the first time in history our country has expanded the role of federal government – in fact, it has been expanding since it was founded. This also isn’t the first time we’ve run large deficits with the budget. A lot of people wax nostalgic about the ‘good old days’ and about how things used to be so much better, when in reality, those ‘good old days’ never really existed. By most measures, our country is in better shape socially and (until very recently) economically than at any point in its history…

Gotta get through here, almost time for Keith Olbermann. I sure don’t want to miss a second of it tonight.

G’night.

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Another reason for the “secesh” talk is the latest polls for the 2010 Governors election. Oxendine and Barnes are pretty much in a dead heat in the latest Research2000 poll.

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By most measures, our country is in better shape socially and (until very recently) economically than at any point in its history…

Susan Lyers- Yeah, I know, Bush was a pretty good president.

Matter of fact, a few more months of Obozo and Bush will be considered a great president.

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What Bosch and others don’t realize is that those of us who are finally fed up with the ever-expanding reach of our federal Government is because of the HUGE expansion of powers in just the last 4 months. We never dreamed of $9 TRILLION deficits being spoken of as throwaway lines. We never dreamed of the Government taking over private businesses to the extent this one has. We never dreamed of a Congress that would abdicate their power when it suits them, and ignore the results of their actions when it doesn’t.

No one (except a few of us) could have predicted that the creep towards Socialism would become a full-fledged forced march in just 4 months.

It is time for some state to stand up and say “No more”. No more unfunded mandates. No more taking rights away from individuals. No more growth of the Federal power structure.

Maybe it’s time for Georgia or Texas to take the lead on this one.

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WOW!! If the muslim terrorists were to read this blog, they would know how to defeat us. Just create situations where our fear and dislike of each other fuels the flame of a social civil war. I guess we Americans are just like everyone else…self preservation at any cost.

I guess the republicans who want to form an independent state are playing up to their constituents. However the confederate gray room for the the new Oxedine baby is a little scary. Did he really say that he was painting the baby’s room confederate gray? LOL.

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Oh, and NJ? NASA built Cape Canaveral in Florida for two reasons. The primary one was that it was the closest sate to the equator, which would make launches more cost-effective for satellites going into equatorial orbits. The second was due to it’s large coastline which allowed them to fire rockets out over the ocean so as not to endanger humans during boost phases.

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The problem with Republicans and conservatives is that they talk about personal liberty all the time but have passed more laws that attempt to control personal behavior than Democrats have. Most anti gay laws, anti Drug laws, pretty much anti anything that has to do with personal behavior laws, have had been conservative issues, and not democratic. Conservatives with all their talk about small government, like big interference when it comes to personal issues.

On the other hand liberals dont give a damn about people personal behavior.

Starting with the Volstead Act, named after Republican Andrew Volstead, vetoed by Woodrown Wilson and then the veto overridden, and inspired by a bunch of right wing tea totalling religious whacko’s. The Rockerfeller Laws, after Republican Nelson Rockerfeller. The anti drug campaigns of Fiorello La Guardia, another Republican responsible for decades of absurd “Reefer Madness” propaganda about marijuana.

The only Democrat responsible for one of the early drug laws, the Harison Act was the son of Jefferson Davis’ personal secretary and a relative of Robert E. Lee. and the legislation was an extension of his religious teatotaling beliefs.

Of course many of these drug laws had their racist motivations, beleiving that blacks hopped up on any number of drugs would commit vile sexual acts on the flower of white womanhood.

And of course in the last three decades we had Ronald Reagan who in the interests of starting any sort of war, started the War on Drugs.

We have Nixon in 1970 and his Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act, which reinforced narcotics penalties. While the Democrats prefered the less expensive rehabilitation and education methods.

During the mid 1990s, the administration of Democratic President Bill Clinton emphasized treatment for addicts while limiting support for overseas antidrug campaigns. Republicans, led by conservative Newt Gingrich of Georgia, the Speaker of the House, have argued that the administration’s approach fails to effectively diminish the supply of illicit drugs. Yet such hardline policies as determinate sentencing advocated by Republicans have resulted in a U.S. prison population proportionately larger than that of any other country.

About HALF of all Americans in people in federal prisons are in for drug offenses, approximately and in all jails about a million are in jail for some drug related crime, either possession of amounts that are deemed to be large enough to prosecute for intent to sell and which more often than not are merely for personal use (in some states having more than one joint or two joints is possesssion with the intent to sell, and having 20 dollars worth of crack cocaine broken into small usable pieces is also considered possession with intent to sell)

Every year in the United States 2 million people are arrested for some drug charge, the vast majority minor possession discovered during a traffic stop for some minor infraction:

This year, about two million people will be arrested for a drug offense. In a great number of these cases, young Americans guilty of nothing more than the possession of a politically incorrect intoxicant – ranging from marijuana to crack cocaine – will be separated from their families, stripped of eligibility for student aid, and eternally exiled from the world of gainful employment. This unfolds hundreds of times each day while we – the privileged – sip our martinis and dare wonder why they don’t make better lives for themselves.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anthony-citrano/an-opportunity-for-presid_b_167140.html

Then when you add the number of people in jails for prostitution, etc, a true picture of these advocate of small government and personal liberties emerges. I want THEIR big government priorities off the American people’s backs.

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Atlanta + Federal Goverment = Detroit
Before the federal goverment was involved, Atlanta had more black millionaires than anywhere in the world. (After reconstruction and before the civil rights era.)

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About HALF of HALF of the folks in GA want to leave the union – again.
Cool! As my meemee in law says, “don’t let the door hit ya’ where the good Lord split ya’.

Since nearly three quarters of us think differently, you won’t get our Georgia. You will simply have to go.

I have already suggested Somalia, they really and truly could use you guys and gals. Perhaps Cuba, I’m pretty sure you could “take” Raoul. You might get the old Jonestown property as a foreclosure sale. Invade Monaco or Lichtenstein. The American Virgin Islands! That’s the ticket! Ya’ll should love that.

Are these 21st century secessionists crazy? Some. The others are ignorant or evil.

Whatever.

Here’s the door.

First:

http://travel.state.gov/passport/passport_1738_2.html

Then:

http://www.expedia.com/daily/hotels/default.asp

Such foolishness indeed.

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Get real Dave R. – your campaign of “no more” is complete bs. You’ve had your time with no talks of secession – you’ve had your chance and your line of ideology has failed.

It’s as simple as that.

If you were so concerned, you should have acted years ago, not when there is someone qualified and competent enough to do something to change our country in the right direction.

Your campaign of “no more” is too late. Now the grown ups are in charge, finally.

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Every list of every economic indicator show this to be correct. When Republicans cut taxes on the wealthy they NEVER trickle it down by creating new jobs or starting new businesses. They invest in speculative ventures that make much more profit than the hard work of starting a new business, growing it etc,

Which is why growth of GDP has always been DISMAL under Republicans and low taxes, averaging two percent, and has always been twice as high under Democrats and higher taxes.

ALL the numbers prove this is so.

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Which is why FEWER people actually fall into the economic ranges which would require a social safety net under Democrats and more fall in those ranges under Republican tax agendas

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The coneheads should be working on getting their spaceship repaired so they can head back to their home world — all 17 percent of them. I’m sure Oxendine can lead the way.

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Or as Rutgers economic historian, James Livingstone points out:

Then as now, these supply-side arguments have two defects. First, the history of the 20th century is the record of increasing productivity and output as functions of declining net investment. Economic growth doesn’t require greater investment after 1919, in other words, so it certainly doesn’t need higher profits or executive incomes. In fact, any shift of income shares away from labor and toward capital—any shift away from consumption and toward saving or investment—will be a cause of crisis, not of growth.

For if higher profits aren’t needed for investment in goods production (the “real economy”), they will force their way, as unruly surpluses, into the available speculative sites, for example into the stock market of 1926-29. Or into “high-end consumption.” Or into subprime mortgage lending. Whatever.

The recent private equity mania (“leveraged buy-outs” of publicly traded companies) exemplifies these three tendencies of overwhelming capital surplus, as Ben Bernanke often said before he took up his more taciturn duties at the Fed.

But the stock market has not been as reliable as long-term investors and short-term scalawags alike would want. The dot.com bust still spooks everybody except me, but I’m the historian who compares it to the crash of 1901-02. And how many yachts can a rich man steer toward his own private coast of utopia? Where else to turn? To the housing/mortgage market, of course, the available speculative site where prices were surging after 1995, even after the stock market tumble of the turn of the century.

Second, tax cuts have never, I repeat, have never caused increased investment—not in the 1920s, not in the 1960s, not in the 1980s, and not in our own time. The empirical record is uniform: net investment keeps falling no matter what. Don’t take my word for it. Consult Peter G. Peterson, a co-founder of Blackstone (a private equity group just gone public), and a former cabinet member under Nixon and Ford.

There is no cause-effect correlation between lower taxes and greater investment because, again, economic growth no longer requires, or even allows, increasing net investment. At the macro level, we can improve productivity and output just by replacing and maintaining our existing capital stock—we certainly don’t have to make any additions to it.

So to cut taxes for the wealthiest individuals is to invite them to place their augmented incomes in the hands of people who have no choice except to bet this new money on the available speculative site, in this instance on the housing/mortgage market. There’s no place else to put it if they want to get a return better than a savings account or a stodgy mutual fund. It was a “liquidity driven bull market,” as David Rosenberg, the chief economist at Merrill Lynch, puts it (FT 8/16/07). And it has regulated all others because the bulk of the surpluses generated by tax policy went there. When it turned, everything else did

http://hnn.us/articles/41985.html

The largest lie Republicans have ever told is that tax cuts for the wealthy create jobs and stimulate the economy.

Its false. The ONLY thing that grows this economy is the productivity of its labor force, not capital investment, not tax cuts.

Republicans attempt to confuse Americans by asserting that profit and wealth creation are the same thing. Not only are they not, high profits, according to Adam Smith are DESTRUCTIVE to an economy. It is better to prevent excessive high profits by taxation and encourage businesses to create more consumer by using high taxes to allow them only to avoid high taxes by hiring more employees or raising their wages, which will create more consumption.

The supply side argument that lower taxes creates a better economy has been completly been proven false by the economic catastrophes and scandals that occured during the Reagan administration when low tax rates resulted in speculation in REIT’s, caused huge numbers of hostile takeovers which destroyed hundreds of wealth creating businesses, the junk bond debacle, the failures of the S&Ls and not the last presidents insane tax cuts which are directly responsible for the speculation that caused the housing bubble and the current Great Depression. Because finally two economists from the liberal and conservative side of the economic world have states it, this is a depression and the only thing preventing the horrors of the 1929 depression is BIG GOVERNMENT.

Most B.S. Consevatives have no idea that 2 out of three dollars of all savings and other assets owned by the bottom 98 percent of Americans would have been completely lost had it not been for big government.

And the Republican assertions that an economy will come out of such an economic contraction by itself is false. There are plenty of historical examples of economies collapsing and the civilizations those economies upheld collapsed and vanished and no new economy rose up for centuries.

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Next you have to look at the range between the lowest tax rate and the highest.

When you have the lowest rate set at 15 percent and the highest at 30 percent, each addition of one dollar of income is taxed at a higher rate than when you have a range where the lowest rate is ten percent and the highest is 70 percent. In this case, the bracket creep is extended over a higher range of income and allows those at the lower ends to keep more of their money than those at the higher end, creating more consumers to drive an economy than in the alternative situtation which allows the wealthy to keep more of each dollar they earn then those at the lower and middle ends, therefore lowering the both the number of consumers and the amount of money they can spend.

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The Republican focus on lower taxes for those in the upper income brackets turns the REAL economy on its head. Investment never drives and economy due to the natural limitations of markets where profits are high relative to average income. Its productivity and consumption that drives markets, not investments which merely drives profit, and impedes income earned by workers, which reduced consumption.

Which is why since Reagan became president real income has been relatively static, compared to worker productivity, which has increased by 69 percent since 1979, with no parellel increase of real income.

Prior to Reagan, income at all levels increased at the exact same rate as worker productivity. Tax cuts to the top have not trickled down to those at the working and consuming end of the economy

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In a nutshell N.J. @ 9:16, you essentially have people that earn $8.50 an hour calling themselves conservatives, and voting republican, and the
poor saps will never sit at the table with the high rollers. A rising
tide in this case only lifts the yachts, and waterlogs the row boats.

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The Confederacy… a traditionalist body that sought to create a country in its own image keyed by wanting the right to oppress minorities and people they disagreed with.

Sounds a lot like the Taliban to me.

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How can N.J.’s posts be considered ‘off-topic’ when he is trying to address some of the (false) claims, made by the secessionistas, that taxes and debts and deficits are what they are up in arms about.

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Ahh. As always, NASCAR is well represented here today. You go guys!

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The traitors in Georgia have been particularly emboldened since Sonny “Pray for Rain” Purdue helped get their flag back. Granted, it’s no Stars & Bars, but we all know what it means…

“It was unpatriotic in 2003 to be opposed to the Iraq war.”

“Oh please. Many folks like to make this silly claim, but it doesn’t have much basis in fact.”

Mike, you must have missed those back to back O’Reilly shows in the run up to shock and awe.

The ones where BOR said that any Americans who kept protesting after the bombs started falling were unAmerican.

The next night he came on and made a “correction”. He said they were bad Americans.

At that point I gave up on the man…

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Five states produce 40 percent of the nations GDP. None of them are Georgia. Another five states added to this and you get 55 percent of the national wealth produced in ten states. California, New York Illinois Texas and Florida are the five that produce that 40 percent, add in the New England States and you get the 55 percent.

The entire set of premises given by the secessionists, are totally false. The State government gets back more than it sends to Washington DC in the income taxes of the citizens, but more than a third, and probably more like 40 percent of these states private sector income comes from various other federal money given to Georgia citizens and spent in private businesses. Social Security accounts for 15 percent of all dollars spent in Georgia businesses. Various other social transfer dollars amount to another ten percent. Medicare accounts for 35 percent of the income of hospitals and doctors offices. Tuitions in private colleges are paid for with Hope Scholarships and other federal dollars as are public universities. Universities and private companies receive billions of research dollars in almost every sector of the economy, from the biomedical industries to agriculture. Without these dollars, this state would quickly revert to Tobacco Road.

The ENTIRE State of Georgia GSP is less than 400 billion. The ENTIRE Southeast makes up 22.percent of the national GDP. California alone accounts for 12 percent with a state GSP of more than 1.8 trillion.

Texas has a GSP of 1.14 trillion just slightly more than New York’s 1.103 trillion Florida is next and the next five are Illinois, Pennsylvania,Ohio, New Jersey and North Carolina.

The net result of a Georgia secession whose economy is dominated by the blue area of Atlanta, would be to reduce the rest of the state to the status of a developing nation.

As far as the United States goes, the economic mobility in the UNited States is among the lowest in the developing world:

The American Dream Is Alive and Well … in Finland!

It’s harder to move up the economic ladder in the United States than in other wealthy countries. What happened to the American dream

…As bleak as the recent findings about our ability to move up are, the picture for American families would look much worse if not for the increasing number of women in the work force. Women, while still earning less than their male counterparts, have had far greater upward mobility over the past three decades, largely because they had farther to go to get to the same place. While men’s employment rates, hours worked and wages have been flat or declining during that period, all three measures have increased for women. Isaacs concluded: “Family incomes have grown slightly because the increase in women’s earnings has more than offset stagnant male earnings.”

The streets are paved with gold … in Denmark

Several studies released in recent years suggest that, contrary to popular opinion, Americans enjoy significantly less upward mobility than citizens of a number of other industrialized nations (some of the studies can be accessed here, here and here). German workers have 1.5 times the mobility of Americans, Canada is nearly 2.5 times more mobile and Denmark is 3 times more mobile. Norway, Finland, Sweden and France (France!) are all more mobile societies than the United States. Of the countries included in the studies, the United States ranked near the bottom; only the United Kingdom came in lower.

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THE CAUSES OF IT:

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Blame the “neos”

…Unlike inequality, which some classical economists and most conservative pundits dismiss as irrelevant, there’s broad agreement across the ideological spectrum about the importance of mobility. In the United States, where we take for granted levels of inequality and poverty that would be a front-page scandal in most advanced economies, the stakes are that much higher. It’s one thing living in a new gilded age when we all have a fair shot at ending up among the “haves,” but it’s something else altogether when a nation’s wealth is concentrated at the top of a rigidly stratified society. As Dalton Conley put it, the fact that parents’ wealth is the strongest predictor of where kids will end up “very manifestly displays the anti-meritocracy in America — the reproduction of social class without the inheritance of any innate ability.”…

…Three trends help explain why it’s so much harder to get ahead in America today than it was for previous generations of working people, and why it’s apparently easier to get ahead in more socially oriented countries: differences in education, the decline in union membership and loss of good manufacturing jobs and, more generally, a relatively weaker social safety net. Roughly speaking, the decrease in relative mobility from generation to generation correlates with the rise of “backlash” conservatism, the advent of Reaganomics and the series of massive changes in industrial relations and other policies that people loosely refer to as the “era of globalization.”…

http://www.alternet.org/workplace/70103/the_american_dream_is_alive_and_well_…_in_finland!/?page=entire

Those who shout the loudest about secession and taxation and the causes of the problems in America are basically full of hot air, and stale right wing propaganda.

Americans pay some of the lowest REAL income tax rates in the world. It has some of the lowest government involvement in daily economic life.

And this has caused a completely stagnant economic mobility as well as a society in which almost no opportunity to climb the economic ladder exists. It is, to put it mildly, “the land of little opportunity”

Every one of those so called “Socialist” nations of Europe and Canada provide more economic opportunity as well as more economic mobility

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And lets see how the State of Georgia replaces this:

It ranked 14th of 57 in military procurement contracts,

$1,766,000,000 in food and nutrition services,

$1,411,000,000 in education funding,

$1,800,000 in environmental protection funding and

$11,868,000 in military funding.

Total federal expenditures in 2005 were $59,846,000,000.

Now where are they going to get the money to secure their borders, pay export tariffs etc…

On the other hand, Georgias TOTAL tax burden, including all federal, state and local taxes is 14,570,573,000.

Or to put it simple, look at the total amount of federal expenditures in the state of Georgia (59 billion) and the total of ALL taxes paid in the state, federal, state and local (about 14.6 billion) and you see that Georgia would lose 3/4th of money that comes from government coffers. Or it would have to quadruple its state taxes in order to some how come up with the same money that goes into the economy.

This does not include the almost 7 billion that the state has been awarded in stimulus money. Georgia was the first state to put out its greedy little hands to get the money, while publically railing against it, and the first to set up government procurement offices for receiving and spending it

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The food and nutrition services alone provide Georgia’s farmers with a good amount of their earnings. Without it the agricultural sector of Georgia’s economy would suffer, considerably.

Basically the entire premises that right wing Georgia residents make about taxation has little to back it up.

By the time the majority of Georgia residents file their income taxes (and because of the fact that the median income of the majority of Georgians is lower than the national median income, a larger percentage of Georgians fall into that place on those charts Republicans love to use that show how many Americans pay no income taxes at all) there are more Georgians who pay no federal income taxes at all than the national average.

In 2006, for example according to the Tax Foundation, 3,830,840 residents in Georgia filed income tax returns. 1,363,353 had zero or negative tax liabilities or 36 percent of tax filers (this excludes those with incomes so low they do not have to file at all) This put Georgia in the top ten states with regard to the percent of the population that does not pay federal income taxes in the ranking of non payers.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/1410.html

And at the same time, the state national product was around 390 billion, with the government providing about 60 billion of that or about one sixth of the entire GSP.

For the secession of the state would lead to the loss of this federal spending, which would have rather negative effects on a number of sectors of the economy, and certainly the levels of unemployment, which are usually higher in Georgia than the national average, even during good national economies, would of course rise. Then Georgia would have to consider its own national defense, when the government removed its own military equipment and non resident military personnel. Georgia of course has several defense contractors, but relying on the state to replace the level of contracts that the federal government provides to them, rather than the federal government would likely not be very appealing to these businesses, and the U.S. Government would not be inclined to award defense contracts to a foreign power, particularly those of a foreign power, especially because the state could not guarantee or provide the same degree of security to design secrets as member states of the United States itself. Defense contractors in Georgia would more than likely move shop to the United States proper in order to be able to assure the government that its design secrets would be more secure. Several European economists have predicted that the United States will eventually collapse because of its current economic crisis, with the more economically viable regions separating off from the regions that draw more from the central government than they provide to it, in order for them to remain economically viable, leaving the regions that now pay more to the federal government which is transfered to other regions able to keep those revenues for their own economic support and survival. The Northeast and Middle Atlantic states, which pay more to the federal government than they get back, would become one of the more powerful economic regions, Along with the Pacific Coast States, that also do so, as well as the Northern States along the Canadian border. The Central states and the South would form poorer and less economically viable regions and Texas would form its own state, which, given the rising Hispanic population might run along a more hispanic cultural and economic line. This theory is gaining credence in Europe as well as Russia, and both are looking towards methods of cutting their ties with the U.S. economic system as well as to the American Currency, which would of course, no longer be a common currency in the western hemisphere. Two countries in the Eastern Hemisphere would then replace the United States in regulating world markets, a Eurasian market, with a common currency made up of Russia and China. China because of its vast economic reserves and Russia with its oil and regulatory structures would become the world economic superpower and regulator of the world economy.

This is not at all speculation. Russia, China, and the Central Asian Republics are now having economic discussions about creating a common market and common currency similar to the E.U. because of the failure of the United States economy and the regional differences in the United States. They take the talk of secession seriously, and in fact, rather encourage the idea as it would split up the United States at a time when they are working towards Creating a United States of Eurasia.

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May 15, 2009 More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice” for First Time
Also, fewer think abortion should be legal “under any circumstances” by Lydia Saad, Gallup

bwa

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Well,

I see that N.J. stayed busy into the wee hours of the morning trying to educate these GOPers (aka secessionists, constitutionalists, conservatives, confederates, right wing fringe, etc. — can’t you fellas at least settle on a common name for yourselves instead of hiding behind different names). It’s a hopeless cause for these 17 percenters though. They don’t want to learn. They just want to return to their great great great great gandpappy’s Utopia — the one that Newt and Rush and Dick keep telling them about. Wake up little ones, it’s a fantasy.

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ewwwwwwwww

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More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice” for First Time

What Andy’s hopeful little copy/paste actually means.

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I guess this means that the conservatives want to undertake all the paying taxes for services within the state of Georgia, and all the military service within the state of Georgia, because they posit that they are the only ones doing it. Great! We won’t be getting the money taxed (from the other conservatives) all over the nation. They will likely support our secession, since it might lower their taxes.

And we, those of us not conservatives, can just live off the conservative teat here in Georgia, while their taxes and obligations balloon. Sounds good to me. I will live in my paid for house and drive (if I need to) my paid for car (4 wheel drive so I can go all over our soon to be unpaved roads) while I collect my 5,000 per month retirement (before SS) and grow my organic garden with water from my well. I will only owe my soul to Georgia Power, and I am working on getting rid of them, too! Don’t think of coming over–I will get out my purchased decades ago guns to “protect” my lifestyle.

Can we still call it Georgia since that Russian group calls theirs Georgia? Maybe we can be Georgia Junior?

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Georgia Republicans are looking like trickle down confederate flag gun huggin nuts to sane society. They have all drunk the kool aid and fliped out.

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Gallup polling, right wing fringe group, I’ll have to remember that.

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Gallup polling, right wing fringe group, I’ll have to remember that.

Are you claiming the opposite? That Gallup is a left-leaning organization?

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Also, Andy, even a third-grader could probably understand that TP was never regarding Gallup as “right wing fringe.” that moniker refers to those who are inflating the findings of a particular data set.

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The federal government is definitely in violation of the Constitution; therefore, the original contract should be null and void. We have reached the point that the founding fathers tried desperately to avoid which is federal tyranny. The Constitution clearly and expressly says that all rights not expressly given to the federal government belong to the states! How can anyone deny what is happening. FDR, LBJ, and Obama have trashed those words. I am for getting out.

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The only difference between Al Qaida and Georgia conservative mentality is the country where they live.

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the stipulation that the “president” of this band of idiots agrees to the same fate as Jefferson Davis and the rest of this “government” is tried for treason

Actually he wasn’t tried for treason–short version is, he’d been held on various charges for some time, and stories got out about harsh treatment that had some abolitionists calling for his release. I guess the US Government felt that the former Confederacy didn’t need a martyr, that he was less of a PitA to them free than in jail.

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The party of guns, no taxes and phony Jesophiles want their own country? Who’s going to fund it for them? I’ll give them their own country – Guantanamo. Hear it’s real nice there…

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“We have reached the point that the founding fathers tried desperately to avoid which is federal tyranny.”

In 100 days… that’s a hoot… did you take your lithium today?

Again, it would be downright humorous to watch GA try and survive on it’s own. With people like Andy and Sonny P tryin to run the place it would be more like watchin the keystone cops, just not as funny…

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

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“I don’t recall reading anything negative about the much more wacky idea that several “lefty” cities have come up with to let illegals live without fear of being deported. Hmmm.”

That was George W Bush and John McCain…

ewwww

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Followed by Cobb, DeKalb, and Gwinnett, I might add. Georgia overall ranked 36th among the states.

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They are speaking to their sheep here. Imagine, these Superpatriots, defenders of all that’s good and true – want to secede, and watch America fail. Such wisdom – their mantra used to be ‘America, love it or leave it’. Bye Bye!

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When Sherman advocated his march to the sea, he stated that he wanted to make war so unpalatable to the South “that generations would pass away before the South would again appeal to it.” I’d say he was successful as it’s taken about five generations.

SR 632 is enumerates legal opinions that have been settled years ago, and many of these opinions fall on the losing side of the argument. Article I Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution clearly empowers congress to pass laws that provide for the general welfare of the United States. Congress has much more jurisdiction than SR 632 suggests. As for nullification and secession, that was settled years ago too. I think Andrew Jackson (a slave-owning Southerner) said it best when South Carolina threatened secession. He said “secession by armed force is treason.” My history book tells me that Georgia and 10 other states agreed to this at the end of the Civil War. Of course those generations have passed away and the new crop of idiots that run the show (the same idiots that can’t appreciate the butt-whipping that acting on such a silly idea will bring) are again appealing to it.

So those that are vying to be the next idiot in charge and think the ideas expressed in SB 632 are valid, when you get your prize, muster the state militia and take all of these fools writing on this blog who are agreeing with you and go down to Ft. Benning and kick those feds out of here.

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All you republicans can move to Texas– seceed and NEVER be heard from again– now that would be progress… can this party of Neocons, Neo-racists, Gun Nuts and general other assorted stupidities get anymore irrelevant?

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EW: Actually, supremacy of the federal level OVER the states is written into our Constitution–specifically, the post-Civil War amendments, and validated by numerous Supreme Court rulings since then.

So, basically… you’re wrong. Sorry.

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gotta run, but I saw this…

Jefferson Davis was summarily hung when apprehended.

RetLTC, you must have Jeff Davis confused with someone else. He was released after two years in prison, and lived a free man until his death in 1889.

My understanding is that his imprisonment was a good career move. Southerners at first made him the fall guy for their loss and probably hated him more than Northerners. But after (exaggerated?) stories of his supposed ill treatment at the hands of the Feds circulated, he became their hero, and lived very well afterwards.

This subsequent lionization reverberated–it seems to have contributed to Woodrow Wilson’s racist policies, for example.

On May 14, 1865, an 8-year-old Wilson watched as captured Confederate president Jefferson Davis was led through town in chains.

When Wilson allowed his cabinet members to segregate government offices, [Monroe] Trotter led the delegation from the National Independent Political League to meet with the president and protest this discriminatory policy. Wilson’s explanation, that “segregation was caused by friction between the colored and white clerks, and not done to injure or humiliate the colored clerks, but to avoid friction,” infuriated Trotter. After the shouting match that followed, Trotter was ordered out of the White House. Trotter then did what Wilson considered unforgivable. Standing on the White House grounds, he held a press conference and detailed what had just happened. A Wilson supporter in 1912, Du Bois now sided with Trotter. In Du Bois’ view, Wilson “was by birth . . . unfitted for largesse of view or depth of feeling about racial injustice.”

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Loyal Americans don’t take their ball and go home just because they don’t get their way.

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Exactly. Copyleft. The Georgia conservatives idea of government is more akin to dictatorship than Democracy, or more akin to the Taliban idea of government than Democracy. They would not have small government, they would immediately create a goverment that would write hundreds of laws which would discriminate against blacks, gays, hispanics, etc, and then they would need a vast police state to enforce them.

The cost of their new government would of course, exceed the cost of the old one, and in order to administer all those laws would require larger, not smaller government. Their ideas about individual responsibility in a state where 36 out of 100 people either do not pay federal income taxes or in fact get more back from the federal government than they pay out in various child credits, would also cause a huge drop in the revenues of local businesses, etc. When more than one out of three Georgians who file tax returns with the federal government get everything back or have a negative tax obligation to the government, Georgia loses a large chunk of change when it gives up the money give to those tax filers. Then the loss of all the members of the U.S. Military who are stationed in Georgia would also result in a huge amount of money being spent on off base housing, money spent by troops as well as their families in local grocery stores, department stores, small businesses, etc.

Every community in Georgia or Florida had a major fit over the very idea of base closings a few years ago, because of the catastrophic effect those closings would have in the cities and town adjacent to the bases. The senators of those states fought like furies in order to keep those bases opened, and played every political card they had to do so.

Of course, after secession, Georgia would have no representatives in the U.S. Senate to do that. They would no longer have the right to representation. Other secessionist states like South Carolina would have even more to lose, as in spite of Jim DeMint’s railing against earmarks, he quietly slips out the Senate, particularly when decisions about bills that have military appropriations in them, because his state is number one in earmarks for military appropriations. South Carolina’s economy would collapse without the federal spending that is done there.

And then of course, Georgia would have to deal create the machinery in the new nation to do what Wall Street does for the United States. It would also have to create the ability to borrow from other nations in order to deal with its current rather high deficits. Georgia would also have to take over its own portion of the U.S. trade imbalance with other countries like China. The United States negative trade balance with China and other nations, is of course, not generated by the United States GOVERNMENT, but by each individual state, based on the dollar amount of goods imported into that state, and the dollar amount sent out. Which would mean the new nation of Georgia would have to negotiate treaties for the few goods it produces and the more which it imports, OR it would have to accept a lower standard of living and still be expected to pay the debt it incurred in its own name with other nations. Or it could default on that debt. Or claim third world status and go to the World Bank or International monetary fund for loans. And the GSP of Georgia is such that it does not rank with the worlds most industrialized nations, but with rather lower developed ones.

Then of course, Georgia would lose the income earned from the nearly 100,000 federal government employees, and of course It has 40,000 State Employees in its University systems alone. Either you shut down your colleges or pay your university professors or they leave for greener pastures. And then Georgia loses any technological competitiveness with other nations. Of course college would be rather unaffordable without the various federal tuition subsidies on both the student and university ends of the tuition equation.

If Georgia, for example were to lower its taxes, and become more like Florida it would have to do what Florida is now doing. It is closing down 21 programs, and now has to look for colleges in other states that have the same programs for 7,000 students and convince those schools to accept all of the students credits towards a degree at their institutions. The states with the lowest tax bases are having the worse problems with its schools and institutions. Of course with Georgia’s ideas on health care the base of medical professionals who have move here, will likely move out again, because the base of their operations is funded by Medicare, which provides the single largest source of hospital and medical office income. And it also requires the least administrative overhead for the doctors offices. Only one form, and a single set of guidelines to follow. In most doctors offices in Georgia, when you go up to their front desk, you will more often see signs with lists of private health care insurance they no longer accept more often than you will see one that says they no longer accept Medicare.

When you add up the money spent in this state by the federal government, by retirees on Social Security, by State employees, by the military, by troops, by the federal government on various projects, a huge portion of this states economy relies on the federal government.

Like the Soviet Union, Georgia would collapse under the weight of a government that represses a large part of its minority populations, like fundamentalist Muslim states, their economies would falter (no one is more “free market” than the fundamentalist Muslims… they hate socialism, always have)

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This just shows how out of touch Georgia leaders are.GEORGIA THE EMBARRASS ME STATE

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He painted the room “Confederate Gay”???? Intereesting choice.

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Well I guess thats way these leaders cant get anything meaningful done.What kind of plan do they have for the economy.O I guess we have the fisin hole courtsey of Perdue . Iguess for what it cost itfeed alot of hungry people if we find were its located

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Well I guess this party is truly out of ideas. This what the repubs have been reduced too

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Few, if any, of the posters here recognized the fact that 35 other states have already passed laws like those being discussed here. State sovereign rights exist and are correct, right after individual rights. Federal rights are not meant to usurp the first two.

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Let’s talk about treason. Treason is trying to overthrow the government. What exactly do you think Obama and the majority Dem’s in the House and Senate are trying to do?

Here’s an agenda for you- print money with no gold backing; make irrational demands for excessive taxation on the citizens so that money can be given to special interests groups that put you in office;bow to dictators in other countries while making apologies for being alive as a free nation and trying to help others do the same; and last but not least, force the States and private companies to take your money or else. What a way to overthrow the government “of the people, by the people, and for the people” without ever firing a shot. Nevertheless, these are still traitorous acts of “wealth redistribution” that our Founding Fathers were familiar with from Great Britain and always wanted to safeguard us from.

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I am totally in support of the nullification of Obama Deathcare by Georgia and the State’s Rights Bills. You have no idea what you are talking about. You can let Obama and his leftist, liberal, American hating, communist and terrorist loving, criminal cronies tell you what to do if you want to. While you’re at it… let them tell you what to eat, where to live and more importantly what to say and think. If you want to live in a country where you have no freedom and the “Gov’t.” runs everything try China or maybe Obama’s favorite Cuba. Hey, I bet Chavez wouldn’t mind having you either. Anyone who says that standing up for the Consitituion and keeping the Federal Government in check is wrong has either been brainwashed, is not informed, is stupid or maybe all three. It is the right of the PEOPLE to stand up againt a Government that oversteps its boundaries. A good start is with States Rights. I am sick and tired of all the Civil War bull****! Anytime someone in the South doesn’t agree with the liberal agenda you all revert back to your childish retoric and name calling. You were obviously educated in one of those liberal school systems that makes up and changes the real history in the history books. The Civil War was not started over the issue of Slavery. It was fought over the Federal Government overstepping it’s bounds and trying to control the South. Maybe we should teach AMERICAN HISTORY in schools now instead of World History or African History or Euopean History. That way more people will know about the United States of America and will hopefully make better choices in elections and not elect a communist loving, dictator want to be President like Obama.

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Incredible. blogs.ajc.com kicks ass.

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How do you do it, blogs.ajc.com?

http://allenreformulate.blogspot.com/2010/03/videos-capped-iverson-plods.html

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Secession and nullification are simply treason against the government of the United States of America. I do not support traitors. I am not a native Georgian and thank God for it. I defend the United States of America, my country. I defend our flag. I support those who have gone before me, many of them native Georgians who in two World Wars and since the American Civil War have supported the national government. Just remember that key word for this entire debate: TREASON. And that those who engage in it are TRAITORS. It needed to be said and said clearly.
Thomas Martin Sobottke 329 Evergreen Lane Pewaukee, WI 53072 262-691-2887 ekttobos@sbcglobal.net I do not hide behind little funny idenitfiers but stand up manfully and rightly for what I believe. I also support the end of slavery in America and the Civil Rights legislation to make the United States truly a land of the free for all our citizens.

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