Secession, nullification … Is Georgia this crazy?

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A while back, I wrote about an absolutely wacky, downright neoConfederate resolution adopted 43-1 by the Georgia Senate at the end of its most recent session.

Among other nutty things, the resolution resurrected the archaic 19th century claim that states have the power to “nullify” federal laws they don’t like. The resolution also advanced the novel argument that passage of certain kinds of laws — including, but not limited to, “prohibitions of type or quantity of arms or ammunition” — “shall constitute a nullification of the Constitution for the United States of America by the government of the United States of America.”

In other words, if Congress passes a law reinstating the ban on assault weapons or tightening the law against ammunition capable of penetrating bullet-proof vests, it would be like hitting a national “self-destruct” button — the United States of America as we’ve known it ceases to exist, and we become 50 individual nations.

In that first column, I tried to give our state Senate the benefit of the doubt, noting that the measure had been hidden in a bunch of resolutions approved without being read by most senators. I also tried to ignore the findings of a subsequent poll of Georgians sponsored by the Daily Kos site. According to that poll, 43 percent of Georgia Republicans believe our state would be better off as an independent nation than as part of the United States; 32 percent of Georgia Republicans approve of the state seceding from the Union.

I averted my eyes from that poll because frankly, I did not believe those findings and did not want to believe it. But I’m now being forced to reassess that stance because of statements from Georgia Republican leaders, who presumably know their party members better than I do.

Larry Peterson of the Savannah Morning News has advanced the story by polling the six GOP candidates for governor. According to Peterson, four of the six support the resolution, one opposes it and the sixth refused to take a position on whether nullification and secession were are good ideas.

These are people running for the highest office in the state, including the three frontrunners for the GOP nomination. The winner of that nomination would in turn be favored to be our next governor.

More accurately, if events take a turn, I guess that person could become the first president of Georgia.

For example, state Sen. Eric Johnson of Savannah, who voted for the resolution, said he would do so again. “This is not a hollow threat,” he told Peterson. “We are simply reasserting our authority to protect the rights, freedoms and desires of the people we are elected to serve.”

A spokesman for Secretary of State Karen Handel said he assumes that she too would support the resolution.

And Insurance Commissioner John Oxendine says that if he had been a state senator, “not only would I have voted for it, I would have been one of the original sponsors.” Oxendine is the candidate leading in early polls for the GOP nomination; polls also give him a lead over leading Democratic candidates.

And as Creative Loafing recently reported, Oxendine is also the man who sent out the following update on Twitter about how he and his wife, Ivy, had spent last Saturday:

Is this truly what Georgia has come to? I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

267 comments Add your comment

Disgusted

May 14th, 2009
2:13 pm

This is absolutely disgusting. I am a conservative Christian. I am also a patriotic American. No politician who rejects the American flag and the American Constitution will ever get my vote. Talk of secession is treason.

I Report :-)/ You Whine :-(

May 14th, 2009
2:19 pm

I believe it is up to We The People to decide, not the socialists nor the urinalists.

Other than that, I say let’s go for it.

bwa

I Report :-)/ You Whine :-(

May 14th, 2009
2:21 pm

Acorn, the failed major cities of the US and some crank northern states all voted for “change” and now they are gonna get their very own country to change.

The rest of us like the country the way it has been for 233 years.

We just need a new Declaration of Independence from our little king.

Goldie

May 14th, 2009
2:21 pm

Yes, Jay — I was born in Atlanta, I’ve lived in other places around the U.S. as an adult, and I’ve pretty much given up hope for the state of GA to ever come out of the 19th century, much less the 20th century. You have to laugh to keep from cryin’… but, this state is really a big mess.

Truth

May 14th, 2009
2:24 pm

19th century??? How?

Dave R

May 14th, 2009
2:24 pm

Sorry, disgusted, but talking about secession is NOT treason.

And while I don’t think that any serious talking about secession will ever come about, I think the thought that states CAN decide whether or not a law is detrimental to their state and simply ignore it is certainly something that should be discussed.

This country was founded on the notion that individuals have rights first and foremost, states getting second crack at them, and finally the Federal government. We have grown too far away from that notion, and in fact, have reversed that process to where the Federal government now controls most of the power in this country, drives unfunded mandates to the states, and expects the individual to just go along.

You want treasonous activity, look no farther than your elected U.S. Representative as he or she votes to increase federal power over the state and the individual.

Taxpayer

May 14th, 2009
2:25 pm

I’m with you, Jay. These guys get paid! With taxpayer money! To reenact the Civil War! What next. Will Oxendine start off his campaign by sending out Confederate currency with his picture on it? Talk about your party re-branding — something that starts with a big bold capital “L” sounds fitting.

jt

May 14th, 2009
2:26 pm

YEEEEEE HAWWWWWWW

Doggone/GA

May 14th, 2009
2:26 pm

It’s better than a soap opera! Get out the popcorn, prop up your feet, lean back and have fun watching.

jt

May 14th, 2009
2:27 pm

NEOconfederate. WTF?

Joe Matarotz

May 14th, 2009
2:29 pm

What are you talking about, Jay? I read your article. There was no benefit of the doubt. You pointed out that they were basically idiots, and (gasp!) you were right. So why backpedal now? Is this to give the impression that you are becoming a fair and balanced reporter? You’re not, so you can stop pretending. On this topic, you were right then and you’re right now. Then again, even a broken watch is right twice a day.

Bennett

May 14th, 2009
2:29 pm

Georgia is a welfare state, i.e. it gets more money from DC than it pays in.

By all means, secede. The US will certainly send aid when you come begging.

Doggone/GA

May 14th, 2009
2:31 pm

“NEOconfederate. WTF?”

“neo” means “new” – there can’t be any OLD confederates, they’ve all died. All we have now is the “new” confederates who never gave up on the possibility of winning the rebellion and restoring a “nation” that never was.

Susan Myers

May 14th, 2009
2:36 pm

Susan Myers

May 14th, 2009
2:38 pm

irrelevant one @ 2:24,

Watch your blood pressure, sweetie, I want a good time tonight.

getalife

May 14th, 2009
2:40 pm

cons are not patriotic and are free to leave our country.

Get out.

Truth

May 14th, 2009
2:40 pm

The Southern Anthem… Also the greatest song EVER!!!

Elvis “An American Trilogy”

Oh I wish I was in the land of cotton
Old things they are not forgotten
Look away, look away, look away dixieland
Oh I wish I was in dixie, away, away
In dixieland I take my stand to live and die in dixie
Cause dixieland, thats where I was born
Early lord one frosty morning
Look away, look away, look away dixieland

Glory, glory hallelujah
Glory, glory hallelujah
Glory, glory hallelujah
His truth is marching on

So hush little baby
Dont you cry
You know your daddys bound to die
But all my trials, lord will soon be over

Glory, glory hallelujah
His truth is marching on
His truth is marching on

ty webb

May 14th, 2009
2:43 pm

getalife,
Jay’s blog entry doesn’t mention Conservatives. It only mentions Republicans. There is a difference.

I Report :-)/ You Whine :-(

May 14th, 2009
2:43 pm

Georgia is a welfare state, i.e. it gets more money from DC than it pays in.

The per capita income for the City of Atlanta in 2005 real dollars is $25,254.

For the rest of the State of Georgia it is $40,155.

Anybody care to take a stab at why Georgia is a “welfare” state?

This doesn’t even take into account the confiscatory sales and business taxes that Atlanta charges outsiders just to keep their nasty little berg afloat.

Why do you think we want to shed our little Obozo voters, to get rid of our primary source of income, bwahahahahahahahaha, clown.

T

May 14th, 2009
2:55 pm

I don’t get it.

Susan Myers

May 14th, 2009
2:56 pm

irrelevant one @ 2:53,

Well, I would, honeypie, but the last time you used it you got it all sticky and messy. Will you buy me one for my very own?

jt

May 14th, 2009
2:57 pm

You heard it here first.
The adherents of the R & D party are hereby called NEO-TARDS.
Someone complained earlier about sheeple.

Dennis

May 14th, 2009
3:03 pm

I sort of like this possibility.

Georgia becomes an independent country, the US Army invades, quickly captures Georgia’a Rulers, and confines them in the brand new Combatant Holding Facility located in Maine or Pennsylvania or Nevada.

Next the US military oversees Georgia’s reconstruction. Spending Billions of Dollars. High Speed Rail is constructed from Atl to DC. Eventualy Georgia is allowed to hold free elections wherein no person, Democrat or Republican, who was ever elected to state office is allowed to run.

Net gain for Georgia.

Dave R

May 14th, 2009
3:03 pm

One day soon, Susan Myers is actually going to post something on-topic, and thoughtful.

OK, maybe not soon . . . but one day.

mike

May 14th, 2009
3:05 pm

I have thought that the rhetoric about the death (and insanity) of the GOP was vastly overstated. Apparently it was not. What planet are these guys living on?

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

May 14th, 2009
3:06 pm

Secession is not the answer as we love the United States and the constitution is, apart from Jesus’ sacrifice, the greatest achievement by mankind, ever. Rather, the answer is excising Jew York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, California-cation along with providing a free train ticket to those debauched locales to every welfare mama with three or four suckers under their arms, the hmos, pacifists, liberal, and other similar moral degenerates.

We, then, in great states like Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, and Virginia can get back to a society based on traditional Judeo-Christian values where our families won’t have to be subject to the immoral rants of the liberals (see Bill Mohron, Jeanine Garanimal, and Kerry (never) Wirght) or the filth put out by the Hollywierdos. Our tax dollars, if we have to pay ‘em at all, won’t have to support the rotten Acorn, or to screw secured creditors as was done in the Chrysler bankruptcy, and to fund baby-cide.

We could even make George Bush or Dick Cheney our new president. Our version of “don’t ask – don’t tell” would be that we won’t ask the liberal sheople what they are thinking and they won’t be able to tell us anything at all.

To all the liberals, hmos and

Taxpayer

May 14th, 2009
3:06 pm

The only certainty I see from the GOP is that they are indeed null…and devoid…of functioning brains. What are they down to now, 17 percent. Less. By the way, keep up the good work, GOPers. The DoDo will finally be re-united with its off-spring.

mike

May 14th, 2009
3:10 pm

Dave R –

“I think the thought that states CAN decide whether or not a law is detrimental to their state and simply ignore it is certainly something that should be discussed.”

It was discussed (and settled) a long time ago. The question as to whether states can nullify federal laws was probably the most debated question in the first half of the 19th century. There is a mountain of precedent to say that they can’t. The decision is a good one, as we never would have gotten to where we are without it and such an arrangement would at best leaves us as impotent as the EU and at worst at war with each other.

I agree with you on most matters, but this talk from our state officials is insane.

Bennett

May 14th, 2009
3:10 pm

@2:43: Your straw men don’t change reality: Georgia depends on the federal government. We’ll be glad to keep Atlanta, though it only means that the Republic of Georgia will go downhill that much sooner and we’ll have to beef up the border patrol to keep your refugees out of the US. Though of course we wouldn’t do that.

You’ve got your little resolution. Time for the next step. Put up or shut up.

Dave R

May 14th, 2009
3:14 pm

C’mon, Taxpayer, you can do better than your usual rant against Republicans, can’t you?

Now, be a good boy and argue the merits of the initial post, or argue against it – with something other than rhetoric.

For instance, why shouldn’t states simply ignore those programs the Federal government passes but refuses to fully fund? Isn’t an unfunded mandate a good place to start this discussion?

Dave R

May 14th, 2009
3:16 pm

Bennett, that number is not significant. Something on the order of 3% or so. I think we could make that up very quickly, especially if we no longer have to fund Federal mandates we do not agree with.

DB, Gwinnettian

May 14th, 2009
3:17 pm

To all the liberals, hmos and

[clunk]

Wyld? you still there? Or was the over-stimulation from all that exciting SEE-cession talk enough to make you pass out? Or worse?

hellooooo?

Susan Myers

May 14th, 2009
3:17 pm

irrelevant one @ 3:03,

It’d be mighty thoughtful of you to buy me one of my own, and keep your, ummm, body parts away from it. Will ya, babe?

Dave R

May 14th, 2009
3:18 pm

Looks like today will not be the day for Susan.

Dave R

May 14th, 2009
3:20 pm

Mike, how about unfunded mandates? Isn’t that a good place to start? Refuse to implement, bring the case to court, and let’s see how it goes.

Susan Myers

May 14th, 2009
3:21 pm

This nutball talk and kinky teabagging is the dying gasps of old conservative (Southern) white men angered and disappointed because their time has finally passed. It’s actually quite enjoyable seeing them suffer.

WhoCares

May 14th, 2009
3:21 pm

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. If the republican party is so dead and irrelevant why do y’all pay so much attention to them. Could it be that the ten or so loyal libs that hang out on this blog have a sinking feeling that they are not really the majority even if they do see their name in print?

getalife

May 14th, 2009
3:23 pm

ty,

cons are the gop base silly.

Do not engage me with your bs.

Truth

May 14th, 2009
3:25 pm

I think Susan just soiled her Depends :)

Susan Myers

May 14th, 2009
3:25 pm

irrelevant one @ 3:18,

Not my day! But you promised! My precious luvuhboy, they’re even giving Viagra away now. You won’t even have to pay for it. Please, pretty, pretty please?

Get Real

May 14th, 2009
3:25 pm

It was unpatriotic in 2003 to be opposed to the Iraq war. Either you were for BushCo, or with the terrorists. In 2009, it’s quite alright though to speak of seceding from the Union. Go figure.

RetLTC

May 14th, 2009
3:25 pm

Let’s see Dave R. What would the tax rate be for the citizenry of a seceding state once they lost all funding from their former federal benefactor? Texas is probably the only state that could hold it’s head above water for more than a year or 2. A state like Georgia would sink like a rock. It also boggles the imagination to think of a “sovereign” Georgia run by this present group of bubbas. LMAO!

mike

May 14th, 2009
3:26 pm

Mike:

“Mike, how about unfunded mandates? Isn’t that a good place to start?”

Unfunded mandates are big problem, but the states don’t have the right to ignore them. The answer is to get the Republicans in Congress and at the state level to make cogent arguments about their damaging effects than have them talking about secession, which in my conservative mind is treasonous.

getalife

May 14th, 2009
3:26 pm

The solution is simple.

Those who voted to secede, leave the country.

Get out.

Our country will be much better without the cons.

Love it or leave it.

EJ Moosa

May 14th, 2009
3:26 pm

It’s no surprise that the states that love the Federal government the most are the ones with the greatest problems today: California, New York, Maryland, Michigan.

So how many of you are better off today than you were a year ago? We swapped a crappy President for a socialist/marxist one, and everyone seems surprised that the private sector economy is not recovering. The private sector produces while the government sector seduces with promises of fairness.

To think that all fifty states are going to sit back and endure more and more of the shovel fulls of mandates such as unemployment for people receiving Pell grants so they can go to the already overcrowded universities is a laugh. Some will take decisive action away from the idiotcratic leadership we are seeing by Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and friends.

Get Real

May 14th, 2009
3:28 pm

While driving up GA 400, a conservative republican wondered why he had to pay taxes. He hit a pothole and blew a tire, then wondered why that part of the road wasn’t fixed.

mike

May 14th, 2009
3:29 pm

Get Real –

“It was unpatriotic in 2003 to be opposed to the Iraq war.”

Oh please. Many folks like to make this silly claim, but it doesn’t have much basis in fact. I’ve seen liberals on this board accuse conservatives of being unpatriotic more times than I can count and Wanda Sykes called Rush Limbaugh the 20th hijacker in front of an applauding press corps, so spare me.

Susan Myers

May 14th, 2009
3:29 pm

Individual rights certainly gives each of us the right to choose what government to which we will submit, but at what point do I have to leave my state to get to property that is not controlled by a “government” which declares my federal government its enemy. I expect my federal government to protect my right to be a citizen of the United States even if the state government attempts to go to war with America. Many Georgians cherish a history of treason and treachery. Will loyal Americans have to flee a government which sets the Stars and Stripes as their enemy, abandoning their home and property, or will the United States of America protect the rights of its citizens from leadership that abandons our nation to create their own power? America allows a great deal of freedom for states, even those states which persecute their own citizens, however, if those states insist on drawing a line in the sand, I choose the land of my forefathers as opposed to those who tried to destroy the United States of America. Republicans are insane, but the glory of our Republic, and the freedom of our Democracy isn’t up for grabs by any party. Prosecute those in government who seek to overthrow it. If “we the people” want to change things, we will do it without their guns, thank you.

Taxpayer

May 14th, 2009
3:29 pm

It is amusing to pick on the wannabe seceded ones and watch them Puff’NStuff.

Susan Myers

May 14th, 2009
3:30 pm

Lies @ 3:25,

How would you know? What are you doing in my drawers?

mike

May 14th, 2009
3:31 pm

Get Real –

“While driving up GA 400, a conservative republican wondered why he had to pay taxes. He hit a pothole and blew a tire, then wondered why that part of the road wasn’t fixed.”

More nonsense. Georgia has had some of the best roads in the country for decades and it has been run by conservatives throughout that time.

Conservatives primarily oppose high taxes because they strangle the economy. Feel free to give us the contrary argument.

Jay

May 14th, 2009
3:32 pm

Susan, Dave — get a hotel room or clean up your act.

RetLTC

May 14th, 2009
3:34 pm

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr, based upon your 3:06, maybe you should lobby your congressman and senators to have the Gitmo detainees relocated to Georgia. That way you have a turnkey militia to augment your Talibaptist society. The Gitmo Taliban and the Georgia Talibaptists do have a lot in common, do they not?

Redneck Convert

May 14th, 2009
3:34 pm

Well, boy howdy! It’s about time they acted on my idea of the Southren States of America! Us Conservatives ain’t never going to get back in the White House, so I say let’s build our own White House. We can get our two Congress seats back that we had to give up on account of these civil rights laws and I see all kind of jobs coming from selling the little plastic black jockeys that people can put out in their yard without getting a bunch of guff about it.

Won’t the Northreners heading to Miami be suprized when they get to VA and see a sign that says Welcome to the Southren States of America. Sonny Perdue, President.

Anyhow, me and everybody I know will be voting against anybody that won’t take the Pledge. No taxes, almost no guvmint, lots of gun stores, and just a whole bunch of prisons for all the lawbreakers we’ll catch.

I’m taking a couple cases of PBR off of the truck and sellabrating tonight. Have a good night everybody.

Mort Merkel

May 14th, 2009
3:36 pm

We all know GOP wingnuts see the federal government as the enemy, except when they control it. It’s mindblowing how nutty they are.

Tray

May 14th, 2009
3:38 pm

I swear, ALL OF YOU need to read the constitution. The STATES are SUPPOSED to have more power than the Fed!! Remember that the American Revolution was a fight against GOVERNEMENT! To ensure the federal government did not get too much power, the Constitution states what powers the Fed has, and ANYTHING ELSE is left up to the states to decide. That’s why Obama can’t FORCE the states to take bailout money, he thinks he has the power, but he doesn’t. All of you must be poor too, because if you were one of the ‘evil rich’ you wouldn’t be supporting this guy. I’m poor, just a long time ago my parents taught me to think for myself and not for the collective ‘hive mind’ liberals have.

I have a question-When the hell did the Liberal mentality go haywire?? My parents taught me that life is what you make of it-you work hard and earn your living, nothing is given to you on a silver platter. But here comes the backwards-arse libs who think their ‘entitled’ to wealth that they NEVER EARNED! Right to healthcare?? Can you please tell me where this RIGHT came from?? None of you can-because it’s not a right. Not even God, Allah, or Buddah can give you free healthcare! If God wanted you to have free healthcare, he would have made to where we never got sick, morons!

Just when did you people (yeah, i freaking said it) start to think things you didn’t earn were supposed to be given to you?? Can anyone answer that? I would sure the hell like to know how to get money without working for it! The rich have the ‘toys’ they have because they are SMARTER THAN YOU!! Guess what, THEY ARE SMARTER THAN ME! But here’s the difference, I know they worked harder than me for what they EARNED, just like they worked harder than you-and I’m not a jealous freak. i know that if i work just as hard, i can have what they have. And i don’t think i deserve it, I KNOW I HAVE TO EARN IT!

RetLTC

May 14th, 2009
3:40 pm

Susan, Georgia cherishes a history of Jim Crow. They presently are making a strong attempt to get back to their roots by putting in place their present “Juan Crow” system in order to nostalgically return to a time and place where only white was right.

Dave R

May 14th, 2009
3:41 pm

Uh, Jay? You might wish to direct your comments to Susan. You might also wish to police your blog every now and again and see if those that are posting are actually trying to have a cogent discussion, or just snarking off.

Of course, some of your most prolific posters would have nothing to do if you did police them.

Hillbilly Deluxe

May 14th, 2009
3:41 pm

I wouldn’t be in favor of secession but no matter what any of the politicians do, for good or bad, Georgia is my home and I ain’t going anywhere.

ty webb

May 14th, 2009
3:43 pm

getalife,
You are aware that there are conservative democrats, aren’t you? or are those democrats “bs”?

Copyleft

May 14th, 2009
3:44 pm

I realize Jay was asking a rhetorical question, but…

Yes. Georgia conservatives really ARE this blinded by ignorant hatred. They really DO hate America this much. And they really, sincerely, would rather see this country destroyed than to see the Democrats successfully solve its problems.

That’s why “Neanderthal” is so often paired with “conservative.”

Dave R

May 14th, 2009
3:45 pm

OK, folks, let’s just ignore the whole secession thing, shall we?

Let’s stick to nullification. Or if you want to keep it simple, let’s stick with unfunded mandates.

Why should a state be OBLIGATED to follow a law that does not contain the funding with which to implement it?

RetLTC, what do you say to that? Try reason. Not rhetoric.

Chris

May 14th, 2009
3:46 pm

Talk of secession in the South just weeks after the first African-American is inaugurated as the country’s president? This has nothing to do with “state’s rights” today anymore than it did the first time we tried it. It’s racism.

They don’t call it the Southern strategy for nothin’. Georgia Republicans (among others) are racists and Oxendine’s “confederate gray” comment is more evidence of that.

getalife

May 14th, 2009
3:47 pm

ty,

They vote con because they leave in a con district.

blue dogs are political cowards.

They are free to leave the country too.

Hit the road jack.

Tray

May 14th, 2009
3:47 pm

Conservatives hate America?? Buddy, Conservatives BUILT AMERICA…try again. Rhetoric…some Rhetoric anyone? Bueller…Bueller…?

Susan Myers

May 14th, 2009
3:47 pm

For years these wingnuts have screamed that anyone who disagrees with them “hates America.” Now we see who really hates America.

Dave R

May 14th, 2009
3:48 pm

Copylefty, how do “conservatives” hate this country any differently as it is becoming, than how “liberals” hated this country for what it used to be.

This is NOT your father’s U.S.A. And it isn’t getting any better.

Kamchak

May 14th, 2009
3:49 pm

Uh, Dave R? Nobody is forcing you to be on this blog, just like nobody is forcing you to be in this country. If you don’t like it here, then leave.

EJ Moosa

May 14th, 2009
3:49 pm

Right on Tray,

if these folks had any sense of what states were SUPPOSED to be like, then they would have a different opinion.

It’s hard to imagine that people are against slavery, yet are willing to work for a Federal Government and give all they produce to that same government during 1 of the next 4 years. Which year are you going to work for the Feds?

Problem with Atlanta...

May 14th, 2009
3:50 pm

It’s surrounded by Georgia. Just look at the SAT scores, high school drop out rates and % of residents who go to college.

The state has more than its fair share dumb rednecks who think the civil war is still being fought.

A secession bill – should anymore be expected of the elected representatives? At least the representatives reflect their constituents.

Tray

May 14th, 2009
3:50 pm

Georgia republicans are racist? Oh, and blacks in georgia aren’t?? That’s right, racism is a one way street-tell that to white kids beat up outside of six flags by a gang of blacks…

by the way, you are all aware that Obama will widen the race relations gap, not close it, right? I don’t give a SHI* if this guy is balck or not, he’s an IDIOT, that’s the more defining factor of my dislike towards him. Here he is trying to be a CEO of numerous companies, but his best accomplishment is ‘Community Organizer’. it take a lot to run a business, and D’Ohbama doesn’t have the experience, knowledge, or know how…

Joey

May 14th, 2009
3:51 pm

My Country. Love it or leave it coming from a Progressive. I had to stop and laugh.

You Democrat guys are behaving exactly, well probably worse, than many Republicans did after the 2002 and 2004 elections. Dems/Repubs are dead, irrelevant, leaderless, etc., etc.

That pendulum thing from earlier, it is reality.

mike

May 14th, 2009
3:51 pm

Tray –

“I swear, ALL OF YOU need to read the constitution. The STATES are SUPPOSED to have more power than the Fed!!”

The Supreme Court disagrees with you (and theirs is the opinion that counts.) Google Prigg vs. Pennsylvania and Ableman v. Booth. The nullification issue was settled over a century and a half ago.

Chris

May 14th, 2009
3:52 pm

Tray @3:50. Thanks for proving my point.

Tray

May 14th, 2009
3:52 pm

EJ, i’ve been working for the Feds (unknowingly) since i got my first job long ago bagging groceries and stacking cat food!!

Dave R

May 14th, 2009
3:54 pm

Uh, Kamchak, where does one go when one wants to live in freedom, rather than Government servitude?

Tray

May 14th, 2009
3:54 pm

Mike, the CONSTITUTION AGREES WITH ME, AND THAT IS THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND!! not some judges… But, you’re a Dem, and it’s quite clear they all ignore the Constitution.

Brad Steel

May 14th, 2009
3:55 pm

Cafeteria Tray @ 3:47 screams: “Conservatives BUILT AMERICA…”

Oh please. What was it? The GI bill? Eisenhower’s highway program? The federal subsidization of home ownership? Or some other obviously conservative program that “BUILT America”?

What crap.

Tray

May 14th, 2009
3:56 pm

Well, I’m done for my day, have a great one all of you, Dem or Repub or Other.

“confuse a liberal-use facts and logic”

Tray

May 14th, 2009
3:57 pm

Uh-Conservatives did build America, right after the war for our freedom, Liberals weren’t even invented then…

Bosch

May 14th, 2009
3:57 pm

People talking of secession really are a bunch of whining ninnys. They can’t handle the grown ups being in charge now – so they whine, pitch fits and hissies and threaten to leave.

GO!!! Please!!!

Bosch

May 14th, 2009
3:59 pm

Tray,

Dude – the Founding Fathers were liberals – they fought for change and to break away from England – hence the word “liberal.” If they had been conservatives they would have wanted things to stay the same – hence the word “conservative.”

Really.

Tom

May 14th, 2009
3:59 pm

And TRAY is STILL bagging groceries and stacking cat food!

A crazed Repub canary – in search of a cage! Typical.

George American

May 14th, 2009
4:03 pm

Tray,
You are close and certainly on the right track when you say the constitution is the “SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND!! Actually it is second to “The Bible,” the supreme law of the universe. The order of law is determined in this order:

#1. “The Bible”
#2. “The US Constitution”
#3. “The Bill of Rights”
#4. “The Georgia Constitution”

Taxpayer

May 14th, 2009
4:03 pm

Dang, this is getting good. If this is any sign of what the race for the governor’s office will be like, bring it on. “Is you is or is you ain’t my constituency?” shall be the battle cry. The one that is most pro-secession will win the election! Will they each be bragging about their Georgia lineage as well. “Well, my great great great great great grandpappy fought side by side with General Jackson right here on this very patch of dirt that I live on.”

getalife

May 14th, 2009
4:05 pm

N RAMSEY, SR., 43RD.

Ga. has one patriotic Senator.

Hillbilly Deluxe

May 14th, 2009
4:06 pm

Tom:

Serious question here. Why would there be anything wrong with working in a grocery store? It’s honest work that needs to be done.

Taxpayer

May 14th, 2009
4:07 pm

Right one, Hillbilly. And, Tray sounds as though he is well qualified.

Kamchak

May 14th, 2009
4:07 pm

Uh Dave R, it’s not my job to be your real estate agent, or your Internet director. You have repeatedly expressed your dissatisfaction at being here, but yet you remain.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

May 14th, 2009
4:11 pm

Since Mike is telling jokes, howzabout ol’ Wyld Byll tells you a true story that happened to one of his friend, TNee, in an airport lounge during 2004.

Turns out ol’ Tnee was in Boston during the Democrat Convention and he was scheduled to fly out the morning after the convention. Now, ol’ TNee was a G5 (actually 550) that is decked out to the nines. Weather was bad in Boston and the airports were all backed up, TNee landed in Nashua to avoid the traffic and taken a car into the city. Anyway, TNee had bumped into Jeff Immelt earlier in the week and Jeff, remembering Tnee was in Nashua, called up and asked if Tnee could drop Jeff and a couple of his friends in different locations so that they would not have to wait for Boston to untangle.

When Jeff gets to Nashua, he has Bill Bennett (headed to Pittsburgh), Hillary Clinton (headed to Albany), and Barack Obama (headed to Chicago) with him.

As fate would have it, the weather takes a decided turn for the worse and the group has to spend a considerable amount of time together. For Tnee, this was great he doesn’t follow politics and, while he isn’t a political junky and was intimately familiar with their backgrounds, Tnee enjoyed getting to know all three as he is a consumate people person.

After a while, TNee looked at Bennett and said, “Bill, you must have been a Williams undegraduate.” Bennett was amazed and asked him Tnee knew that. Tnee told him, “The clipped nature of your vowels, the logic with which you construct your sentences, and the manner in which your firm theological foundation informs your view all lead me to believe that studied under a learned a great deal from Mark Taylor at Williams.” Bennett was amazed.

He then looked at Hillary and said, “And you, my dear, are a Georgetown graduate with a Yale law degree.” Hillary was shocked and demanded to know how Tnee figured here out. Tnee said that it was obvious that she had a great moral understanding that could only be earned at the feat of the jesuit scholars at Georgetown and a remarkable ability to twist logic and fact that could have only been earned in a perverse environment like Yale Law. Hillary fumed, but acknowledged Tnee’s conclusions.

After that Barack Obama, like a puppy jumping at Tnee’s feet, demanded that TNee guess his background. Tnee said, “Sir, you were the easiest of the group to determine – Columbia undergraduate.Barack was incensed, he said that was a long time ago, that he was a world traveller, he’d been to Harvard, he was a card carrying member of the black community and he wanted to know what the Columbia “tell” was that TNee found. Tnee said, “I didn’t need to see through any of thos things, I read your Columbia class ring when you picked your nose.”

Waronxmas

May 14th, 2009
4:13 pm

I propose a compromise. The City of Atlanta, and any of the core counties that wish to join, should break off from Georgia and create the District of Atlanta. The capitol could move to Savannah or Albany for all I care. No military controlled border. No messy/stupid war of secession. Everyone just gets what they want.

Georgia would be left to their own devices to do whatever it is they like doing (Nascar and abstinence I would assume, and keep them quite about all this secession talk. Atlanta would become the second largest city proper in the country if all the big five counties come along which would give us bragging rights (an Atlantans dream vindication) and allow us to fornicate/sodomize/weed smoke/abortionate/miscegenate/be socialists without any trouble.

Btw, I’m only half joking with this post. I think it could work :D

Sandy

May 14th, 2009
4:19 pm

One word: Appomattox.

Brad Steel

May 14th, 2009
4:19 pm

Waronxmas @4:13

Yeah! sign me up and keep fighting the good war!

….the 2nd largest city… It would help Atlanta’s city-envy problem.

Taxpayer

May 14th, 2009
4:22 pm

So, apparently Arizona State teaches classes in “Proper Techniques for Indiscriminately Observing Nose Picking” and “How to Tell Tall Tales about Nose Picking”.

Citizen of the World

May 14th, 2009
4:33 pm

These people who talk of secession remind me of those little kids who want to take their ball and go home when the game isn’t going the way they want it to.

Brian

May 14th, 2009
4:37 pm

A question for all that constantly bash Georgia. Are you a native Georgian? If not, why did you move here if you think we are so backwards? Save the South! Put a Liberal Yankee Democrat on a bus to North of the Mason-Dixon line!

Wes

May 14th, 2009
4:52 pm

Jay,

This is not a real news story. You say 43% of GA Republicans think we should secede. That means that you’ve got a block of voters that someone going through the Republican primary can’t ignore. It also suggests that the vast majority of Georgians are against it.

Are you really that surprised that politicians are trying to appease a portion of their base? Isn’t it a little more concerning that because of this trait in both parties we can’t get rid of farm subsidies, earmarks, and all the other government waste?

Bennett

May 14th, 2009
4:55 pm

Dave R, Whiner and all other would-be GA secessionists:

Blog comments do not a revolution make.

Don’t back down now.

DO IT.

Midori

May 14th, 2009
4:57 pm

I want some of what Byll is smoking.

Susan Myers

May 14th, 2009
5:06 pm

Jay, I just noticed your 3:32.

Not long after I started posting here, Dave R posted something about a tingle running up my thigh, so I just assumed that anything goes here.

So sorry for the mixup.