Yup, that one just wasn’t bright

At first I didn’t think much of the “scare” put into Manhattan yesterday by Air Force One and its fighter escort. But once I saw the pictures, it was all too easy to see how ominous it would have seemed.

And how stupid somebody was to approve it.

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I Report/ You Whine

April 28th, 2009
7:13 am

I’m glad to see the democrats finally settled on their talking points and I have to give credit to them for picking the right one.

catlady

April 28th, 2009
7:16 am

It was worse than “Not too bright.” I think some folks should be fired.

I live way out in the country and I still cringe if I see a plane under 25,000 feet over head!

John Galt Jr.

April 28th, 2009
7:18 am

catlady

April 28th, 2009
7:19 am

I mean, think about how many peoople had to know about this. It wasn’t just 4 guys out for a spin in a few planes. Did NO ONE say, “Hey, some folks might find this frightening” even if 911 had not happened?

Mrs. Godzilla

April 28th, 2009
7:29 am

“”Statement from Louis Caldera, Director White House Military Office, on Air Force One flight over New York
“Last week, I approved a mission over New York. I take responsibility for that decision. While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, it’s clear that the mission created confusion and disruption. I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused.”"

I’d like to know what the “proper steps” were…but he needs to go.

Tray

April 28th, 2009
7:31 am

You’re telling me the is the FIRST time you noticed Obama and his staff wasn’t too bright after 99 days??? All the really big and important problems breeze right over your heads, but a dang airplane and fighters are visible at low level in NY and now the Country goes “whoa, wait a minute, that was dumb”… Wow…simply wow….

DB, Gwinnettian

April 28th, 2009
7:32 am

Did NO ONE say, “Hey, some folks might find this frightening” even if 911 had not happened?

I’m sure some did, but obviously there wasn’t enough attention paid to the potential for panic.

Mayor Bloomberg’s take sounds about right:

“Why the Defense Department wanted to do a photo-op right around the site of the World Trade Center catastrophe defies imagination. Poor judgment would be a nice ways to phrase it, but they did. I also think that once they had told us, we should have done a better job. Had I known about it, I would have called them right away and asked them not to. It is the federal government and they can do in the end what they please, but I would have tried to stop it. I don’t know there’s a lot else to say other than they shouldn’t have done it.”

Northern Songs Ltd

April 28th, 2009
7:34 am

I really struggled last November when I walked into the votng booth, but every day, I am more and more glad I voted for Sen. McCain over Barack “I Have No Clue” Obama.

DB, Gwinnettian

April 28th, 2009
7:36 am

But Tray, was it as dumb as calling your organized protests “teabagging?”

ESR

April 28th, 2009
7:38 am

We are being led by a confederacy of dunces.

George American

April 28th, 2009
7:42 am

Typical anti-military liberal media.

Corporal Punishment

April 28th, 2009
7:44 am

N. Songs,
I echo your self-absorbed comment and perspective.

BDAtlanta

April 28th, 2009
7:46 am

Touchy people. I wonder if anyone peed their pants because planes were flying around NY this time?

Oh, yeah, it looks like lots of people did. The few, the proud, the batsh*t scared Americans.

Dave R

April 28th, 2009
7:55 am

Gee, BD. New administration waiting to be tested by extremists, low flyover near the very site of the worst terrorist attack on America.

Yeah, I’d say the people and leaders of NYC have a right to be a bit touchy, don’t you?

Maybe if a couple of million tons of buildings had fallen on you, you might be a bit touchy, too.

Tray

April 28th, 2009
7:58 am

Make fun of organized protests all you want, we were out there protesting for you to. Has Obama and his staff really helped anyone yet…REALLY??? Didn’t think so. Even the poor homeless woman in FL who was given a temporary house by a REPUBLICAN’S WIFE-she’s regretting voting for Obama because she now knows he is doing NOTHING to help her. It’s funny how the left will organize and protest ANYTHING in a minute (especially if Sharptongue is involved), but when the right protests, it doesn’t seem that important.

Yes DB, it was just as dumb to call them tesbagging, which why we called the TEA PARTIES. Remember, the left technically coined ‘teabagging’ as their word, so yes, the left is dumb. Thank you for proving my point!

Taxpayer

April 28th, 2009
7:58 am

I’ll bet it took a lot of people’s minds off of their day-to-day issues for a little while. That would have been the perfect stunt for the GOP to pull the day before an election. Somehow, it just would not work for the Democrats though. They would have just kept on shopping like good citizens.

Mrs. Godzilla

April 28th, 2009
8:02 am

I wonder which ticks off New Yorkers more….

stupid Caldera photo op or stupid Bush ignoring PDB?

DB, Gwinnettian

April 28th, 2009
8:04 am

Remember, the left technically coined ‘teabagging’ as their word,

No, the right came up with the bright idea to send teabags. You own that one.

I Report/ You Whine

April 28th, 2009
8:07 am

Oh, yeah, it looks like lots of people did. The few, the proud, the batsh*t scared Americans.

So I guess what BrainDeadAtlanta is saying is that if a low flying jumbo jet was descending towards the skyscraper he was in, he would stay put.

WASHINGTON (AP) — A small, single-engine plane strayed into restricted air space near the U.S. Capitol on Friday, forcing anxious officials to place the White House in temporary lockdown and take steps to evacuate the U.S. Capitol.-4/24/2009

What a genius.

md

April 28th, 2009
8:07 am

“Yup, that one just wasn’t bright”

One? We wish it was just one.

If he was the actual CEO of any business, he would be gone already. He had the audacity to “fire” Rick Wagoner after his own performance in first 100 days?

Richardson
Daschle
Gregg
Killefer
Kirk
Solis
Geithner (although we all now have the ultimate excuse if we screw up our taxes)
Napolitano – Vets are terrorists
Holder – Americans are cowards
The folks at catepillar that lost their jobs after Barry said otherwise
Torture prosecution – yes, no ,yes, no ,maybe, who knows
Arrogant America
Mexico is our fault
Closing Guantanamo without having a clue as to where to put them – probably coming to a neighborhood near you
Overseas abortions
Pelosi writing porkulus plan
Taking a 4-day holiday weekend before signing “emergency” legislation
Signing an order that doctors must perform abortions, in violation of the Hippocratic Oath.
Signing earmarks while denouncing them.
Quadrupling the deficits, while denouncing them.
Considering having the VA charge veterans for service-related injuries.
Thanking himself
Saying his bowling is “like the Special Olympics.”
AIG Bonuses
Banning the press from covering his acceptance of a press association award
Firing Rick Wagoner
Flying plane over NYC

And thats just a partial list.

I try that in any of the companies I’ve ever worked for, and I’m out the door.

And for those that say he didn’t personally do half the items on my list, you are correct. But he is the CEO, just like Wagoner. Thats his team and he is accountable.

And the real scary part – its only been 100 days.

We can make a list for Bush too for all those posters that will counter this with Bush this or Bush that. Take notice, that Bush has been fired, and we now have a new CEO.

Time to worry about the current problem, not the past problem.

Susan Myers

April 28th, 2009
8:08 am

It happened under President Obama’s oversight of the country. We appropriately place the blame on him. What I, and many others, should contest is how serious this actually is. I mean, the plane trip was simply not thought out very well. They didn’t have malicious intent or anything. Main point: who cares? No one died, no one was injured by the plane which didn’t ram into a building. Some people are acting as if this will somehow lead to the crucifixion of Obama. Let me shed some light on how incredibly stupid this is. We’re still in an ongoing war which has about 30,000 casualties and a death toll in the 4000s. We have a trillion dollar debt, which is increasing by the day by the billions. The recession is only getting worse, and you people think this is a big deal. You know what’s a big deal? Look around your neighborhood. Find the person who has a son or daughter in the military. Ask them if they care that a plane flew too low in Manhattan.

DB, Gwinnettian

April 28th, 2009
8:09 am

Signing an order that doctors must perform abortions

At gunpoint! It’s true!

DB, Gwinnettian

April 28th, 2009
8:10 am

Some people are acting as if this will somehow lead to the crucifixion of Obama.

susan, that’s pretty much every day at Wingnut Central. Boy howdy, them folks is just sure that the next scandal’s gone send that Kenyan’s administration over the cliff.

Taxpayer

April 28th, 2009
8:16 am

Quadrupling the deficits, while denouncing them.

You just gotta love some of these outright lies that some people post. I mean, get real. Get some facts and quit posting this bullcrap.

Lib Dogooder

April 28th, 2009
8:16 am

Sabrina and I do not understand the New York reaction to this fly-by. Atlanta’s reaction is equally puzzling. Surely everyone is aware that any threat of an attack of this nature ended on January 20. My word, don’t you people have the capasity recognize peace and prosperity when you read about it in the Times?

BDAtlanta

April 28th, 2009
8:20 am

I Report and Dave R,

Do you guys pull the sheet over your head and turn the hall light on when you go to sleep at night?

Go find your stones that you evidently lost after 9/11.

DB, Gwinnettian

April 28th, 2009
8:21 am

You just gotta love some of these outright lies that some people post.

Well, consider the standard they have to live up to.

md

April 28th, 2009
8:24 am

Lets put it into context for you.

As an employee, how many mistakes do you get before you are deemed to be detrimental to the job at hand? Most people get written up in some form of progressive discipline program which ultimately leads out the door.

CEO’s are and should be held to a higher standard. Or maybe some here like their CEO’s to be on a drawn out discipline program. That would certainly bode well for the company, wouldn’t it?

Small problems lead to bigger problems. The man just does not have the experience not to make the mistakes.

Once again, I am an independant voter and do not back your party dogma. Too bad some of you are so caught up in being “left” or “right” that you can’t recognize mistakes when you see them. Guilt is guilt, everything else is excuses.

Peadawg

April 28th, 2009
8:25 am

Aren’t you proud of the new administration now Jay? WOW! They have nothing on Bush.

Corporal Punishment

April 28th, 2009
8:26 am

md,
you left “uses and teleprompter,” “not a natural born american citizen,” “not a chrisitian” off your list too.

BDAtlanta

April 28th, 2009
8:30 am

Just to put it all into context, let’s look at tobacco deaths:

“We found that the absolute annual burden from tobacco use was highest for the United States at 514,000 deaths per year in 2000, which is equivalent to the impact of an 9/11 type terrorist attack every 2.1 days,” says Dr Thomson.

The study, which is published in the international journal Globalization and Health, is part of wider attempt by the researchers to put international terrorism into a public health context, by comparing its mortality burden with those of other preventable causes of premature death.

“In the last 20 or more years governments have spent considerable sums in attempts to combat international terrorism, as well as introducing new laws,” he says. “However, despite tobacco mortality’s far greater scale, the policy response by government on tobacco has been much weaker.”

http://www.tobacco.org/news/215827.html

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

April 28th, 2009
8:31 am

The efficacy with which President Ob-amateur pulling the levers of power behind the government of this great nation reminds me of a monkey playing with a shiny bauble.

(Note: the monkey has no racsist symbolism, it was selected because of the stupid, confused look that exists when a monkey holds something beyond its very limited comprehension.)

md

April 28th, 2009
8:34 am

CP,

With the exception of the telepromter – which was again an embarassment yesterday – the rest are “right” talking points. Just as silly as your “left” dogma.

Open your eyes and see. Mistakes are mistakes, left, right, or middle.

RB from Gwinnett

April 28th, 2009
8:40 am

Hey Jay, maybe this afternoon’s post can be a summary of the comments Julia is receiving about the new print format. OMG! I haven’t looked at the new format myself, but I was 40 or so posts down the list and not a single positive comment. Not one. And Julia jumps on and tells all the stupid readers how their research shows the direct opposite of what your customers are telling her. Laughable. And sad.

GMan

April 28th, 2009
8:42 am

New Yorkers looked up in the air, see an airliner and two escorting fighters and several seconds later nothing happens. Sounds like the worst thing to ever happen since over 4000 men and women are blownup and shot on a humbug. But then there’s that little water problem in New Orleans a few years back.

md

April 28th, 2009
8:46 am

BD, you need to try a little harder. Compare apples to apples.

Is Obama not the CEO of this country?? Yet he has never run even a small business. Many politicians have not, especially perennial sitting congresspeople. That is why we have had no Senators recently. Governors have experience running a business, as do Mayors. From a business perspective, it makes more sense to have someone with at least a little experience.

Sorry, I prefer my CEO’s to know what they are doing. It seems you don’t.

Taxpayer

April 28th, 2009
8:47 am

I’m reminded of the monkey that was holding Reagan. It took him quite some effort but Bonzo finally trained Reagan to get the banana out of the jar.

AmVet

April 28th, 2009
8:47 am

“They (the Obama administration) have nothing on Bush.”

Peadawg, I did not vote for Barack Obama. And said on this very forum that would never happen.

But, and I admit it is still very early, Obama has not gotten 4,275 Americans KIA’d needlessly in a botched, deceitful clusterf&ck. He has not gotten 30,000+ GIs wounded, many gravely. He has not spit on the US Constitution via over 800(!!!) signing statements and secret memos allowing torture, etc. And he has not taken the enormous good will of the American people and the world, for that matter, and flushed it down the toilet.

In their first 100 days, this administration has already overturned numerous boneheaded neo-con “rules” regarding the Endangered Species Act, stem cell research, limiting public access to presidential records (you know Cheney is just seething over that one), the Bush administration’s ban on project labor agreements, ending torture and closing secret CIA prisons overseas, and the list goes on and on.

A mixed bag so far? You betcha!

And I am still very, very leery of BHO as CIC.

But BushCo’s record was NOT mixed. It was consistently inept, deadly, short sighted and worse, in many (most?) American’s minds, immoral.

Other than that, I guess you have a point…

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

April 28th, 2009
8:56 am

Taxpayer 8:47 am

We needn’t have a monkey train President Ob-amateur to get anything out of a jar; Tony Rezko already taught him that and far more on how to get something out of the system.

Tray

April 28th, 2009
8:59 am

Well said Wyld Byll-you forgot though that if we did use a monkey to train him, it would be racist!

BDAtlanta

April 28th, 2009
8:59 am

md, If you can’t understand the focus of my argument, let me spell it out in simpler terms:

A terrorist threat is not something to be scared about, we have a gazillion times greater chance of dying in a car wreck. In fact, I’m sure there is a much higher chance we might die in a plane crash than in a terrorist attack.

You’re trying to make a political argument. I am trying to make a different kind of argument. Can you not understand that? One is about politics and blame and one is about liklihood of dying from a terrorist attack. Does that help you wrap your head around this?

Sure my argument isn’t apples to apples, I suppose I could cite some car-related deaths. But I think most of the readers here get what point I was trying to make.

Taxpayer

April 28th, 2009
9:01 am

Taxpayer

April 28th, 2009
9:11 am

I seem to recall Wild Bull making the decision to once again post something that I’m sure he considers to be of value. So, all I did was try to follow, and it was a struggle, his line of ‘thought’ and identify some shred of true worth in his post. The association between Reagan and the chimpanzee was the best that I could come up with. Have fun with that.

sd

April 28th, 2009
9:11 am

Incredibly dumb move.

Also incredibly refreshing to hear the White House admit a mistake and apologize for it. Its been a long time since I’ve heard a white house official say “my bad”.

BDAtlanta

April 28th, 2009
9:13 am

Taxpayer at 9:01,

I second that. In order to have safe drinking water and safe food supplies you have to have inspectors and a system set up for inspection and all of that costs money which comes from taxpaying Americans.

Of course, the Republicans were willing to make cuts in those areas and that was just fine because they don’t like paying their taxes. “Hey, we can drink bottled water. chortle, snort, chortle>/i>”

Mrs. Godzilla

April 28th, 2009
9:13 am

More on the proper steps taken…..From the NYT

“A senior administration official said that an F.A.A. official notified Mayor Bloomberg’s office last week about the flyover. She said that Marc Mugnos, the director of operations in the office of citywide event coordination and management, was the official notified about the Air Force operation.”"

“”The mayor said the Police Department and someone in his administration – he did not say who – received an e-mail from the Federal Aviation Administration late on Thursday, informing them that there would be “a fly-by for a photo-op, as they described it.”"

Jim Peters, an F.A.A. spokesman, said “the photo op was approved and coordinated with everyone.” Notification was made in advance to the mayor’s office, “including its 911 and 311 operation centers,” the New York City Police Department, the New Jersey State Police, the United States Park Police and other agencies, he said.

The Police Department confirmed that it had been notified about the event but said it had been barred from alerting the public. “The flight of a VC-25 aircraft and F-16 fighters this morning was authorized by the F.A.A. for the vicinity of the Statue of Liberty with directives to local authorities not to disclose information about it but to direct any inquiries to the F.A.A. Air Traffic Security Coordinator,” the Police Department said in a statement”"

Read the whole piece here:

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/air-force-one-backup-rattles-new-york-nerve/

SOOOOOO…

Seems there’s some not so bright to spread around.

Don

April 28th, 2009
9:17 am

What a crazy stunt. Something the Bushies might have dreamed up.

Nah, if the Bushies were responsible it would have taken much longer to scramble the fighter jets to intercept the plane.

Taxpayer

April 28th, 2009
9:21 am

BD,

People do seem to be scared of the strangest things. The odds of getting struck by lightning are 1 in 280,000 and the odds of getting killed in a terrorist attack are about 1 in 9,000,000. Then again, the odds of winning the Georgia MegaMillion jackpot are 1 : 175,711,536 and people just blindly dump their entire paychecks into those games. I think that pretty much sums up people’s understanding of probability.

RB from Gwinnett

April 28th, 2009
9:23 am

Does anyone know how much this little photo op cost the taxpayers? Or does that only matter when Bush is in charge?

TnGelding

April 28th, 2009
9:23 am

Stupid and wasteful!

What’s it going to take for the folks in D.C. to understand they’re broke and the natives are sick and tired of their arrogant misuse of public monies?

Mrs. Godzilla

April 28th, 2009
9:13 am

Thanks for the update. But it doesn’t change a thing, except that the mayor’s office wasn’t being candid.

Taxpayer

April 28th, 2009
9:24 am

BD,

Bottled water! hehehehe. Thanks. That one always gets me going. In all fairness though, there might actually be a few educated consumers out there that spend the bucks for distilled water so I should acknowledge them.

getalife

April 28th, 2009
9:27 am

Well, it had the greedy bankers running for their lives but they should have warned the rest of good Americans.

They will not attack with planes again cons.

Bosch

April 28th, 2009
9:30 am

Yeah, that one was pretty dumb. Must admit it.

Okay, moving on………..

WTF

April 28th, 2009
9:31 am

This is what conservatives have to whine about? No wonder your party and your philosophy are dying on the vine.

ty webb

April 28th, 2009
9:35 am

How much of a carbon footprint did this photo op leave? It was done so close to earth day. Forget the fear of a terrorist attack, what about the whole global warming(or is it now climate change?)fear? How many polar bear deaths is this photo op going to cause?

what

April 28th, 2009
9:38 am

I hear running planes around just to use for publicity is good for the enviroment.

Is there not one person that thinks it sets a bad precident to emite the mass amount of carbon that those planes give off.

Where was AL Gore?

Guess there was no money to be made by him, so he was not there to have anything to say.

Funny how I have not seen any of the normal global warming people speaking about the impact this had on the enviroment.

Wonder why they didn’t care this time?

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

April 28th, 2009
9:39 am

sd 9:11 am
“Its been a long time since I’ve heard a white house official say “my bad”.” I think President Ob-amateur apologized, once more, for another screw up last week or was it the week before.

It wasn’t too long ago at any rate and you won’t have to wait very long again at the rate the Obama Hillbillies are going.

what

April 28th, 2009
9:40 am

sorry ty so posted before your post had came up.

ty webb

April 28th, 2009
9:43 am

What,
That’s alright, great minds think alike.

Paul

April 28th, 2009
9:45 am

Mrs. Godzilla

So the White House office took the proper steps in notifying state and local authorities? And the mayor sounds like he wasn’t read in? Kinda sounds like Katrina all over again – local authorities are innocents, devoid of any responsibility, while all blame goes to the White House. Nothing changes.

DB, Gwinnettian

I read they wanted updated pics of AF One with the Stature of Liberty. According to the mayor’s criteria (why would they do this near Ground Zero?) all of Manhattan, heck all NYC should be off limits for photo ops of this kind. Wonder what he’d say if they purged any publicity photos that have NYC in them? Yowza!

And it appears the good mayor isn’t up on who’s who. The White House Military Office is not under DoD – it falls under…the Executive. The White House. I had to check that when I saw a headline along the lines of “White House Causes Terror Scare in NYC.” But that’s accurate. Even if the request came from DoD, it’s still the White House Office who’s responsible.

But I give the guy in charge credit for saying “My responsibility.” But the local guys are the ones doing the “what, me? Not me!” routine.

Mrs. Godzilla

Thanks for your 9:13 followup. Again, sounds like the locals blew it.
And are perfectly happy to let the White House take the heat.
Aren’t these people all in the same Party? With friends like that…

Susan Myers 8:08

Evidently Pres Obama and Rahm Emmanuel think it’s a big deal.

Md 8:24

[[CEO’s are and should be held to a higher standard.]]

While companies handle this differently, what we saw in the meltdown is just how corrupt, self serving and detached many boards and CEOs of large companies are. Merrill Lynch goes under and the director gets rewarded with tens of millions. Even now, the poster boy – the guy who runs GE – took over from Welch, in great shape, over the years the stock has plunged. And he’s still CEO and getting tens of millions a year. Higher standard? Hardly. Then again, the White House appointed the guy as an economic advisor. The only way I feel good about that is if all his reports get filed under “What not to do.”

RB 9:23

You’re not suggesting that the same things the Left criticized the Bush Administration for are fair game for criticizing the Obama Administration for, are you?

Hey Bosch!

[Okay, moving on……….. ]]

You get the Hopeless Optimist Award today!

pat

April 28th, 2009
9:47 am

How petty….they have done far stupider things…See “stimulus” and “spending plan”. I just could care less about a fly by.

AmVet

April 28th, 2009
9:51 am

ty, when did the GOP “leadership” completely cede it’s role in properly protecting our environment and our finite natural resources? And why?

Teddy Roosevelt created our first national parks and was a huge proponent of good stewardship and respect for the natural world. And even as late as Richard Nixon, who signed the Clean Air Act and created the Environmental Protection Agency, our history shows that reasoned and reasonable environmental protection wasn’t always the province of non-Republicans.

The USA pumps into the dumping ground called our atmosphere, 12,000,000,000 pounds of poisons every single year.

And the enviro-rapers laugh all the way to the bank while in some cases, denying the very science that their own scientists provided.

This is no real surprise, given that the corporate destruction of capitalism knows no bounds.

But I must confess, that to apologize for these people is hard to understand…

Bosch

April 28th, 2009
9:56 am

Paul,

I meant that I was moving on – I know it’s too hard to resist for some.

What I don’t understand with PhotoShop what it is these days – why can’t they just make a photo – good Lord – I’m technology retarded and even I know that is possible.

Mrs. Godzilla

April 28th, 2009
9:56 am

Paul…
Actually they are not all in the same party. Bloomberg left the GOP and ran as an Independent.

Somebody fell down on the job passing along info….but I think the photo op was pretty stupid.

AmVet

April 28th, 2009
9:58 am

OK, off to pay for the occupation. And more corporate welfare.

When I get back, I expect to see the “loyal opposition” having solved all of the problems that the Uppity One has created!

Ta ta…

mm

April 28th, 2009
10:02 am

Bad move. I see the wingtards are blaming Obama. Do you really think he makes every single decision for the entire federal government?

I Report/ You Whine

April 28th, 2009
10:06 am

Mr. McCarthy explained it this way to me: “When Senate Democrats didn’t have the votes, they voted to make waterboarding illegal. Now they have the votes, but there’s no effort to ban waterboarding. And the reason is that they are more interested in setting off a partisan witch hunt than passing a principled ban on something they say is torture.”-Wall Street Journal

Yup, not very bright.

Susan Myers

April 28th, 2009
10:09 am

So says the head of the Republican party to whom all minions bow.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/27/limbaugh-obama-goes-to-me_n_191923.html

ty webb

April 28th, 2009
10:11 am

Amvet,
You can call me a flat-earther if would like, but I don’t buy into the whole man made global warming hysteria. I do believe we need clean air to breathe and clean water to drink. I am all for the EPA making sure that corporations are held responsible for keeping the environment clean. I just think the whole “global warming” angle was created to make some money. I guess this makes Al Gore a capitalist(sorry for the slur, lefties)

Night Train

April 28th, 2009
10:12 am

A question for those that compare the chance of death by tobacco or car accidents to being killed by a terrorist attack, and think the people of New York overreacted. When was the last time someone died in a fire in a movie theater? Why is it a crime to yell ‘fire’ in a theater?

Flying a commercial airplane low over New York City is no different that yelling fire in a theater. Someone in Washington should be charged with inciting panic.

AmVet

April 28th, 2009
10:19 am

One last item, before I’m off, ty.

You talk about global warming as a ruse for “making money” as though the hyper-polluting corporatists denying it is not, is not the very epitome of not doing such???

Interesting.

I guess I’m still trying to figure out the “money making” role of the dozens and dozens of organization like National Geographic, whose long-term track record in such matters is impeccable…

Later, all…

AmVet

April 28th, 2009
10:20 am

I think I messed that first point up. Royally. But hopefully you get my drift.

Hasta la vista…

booger

April 28th, 2009
10:25 am

WTF

Is this all republican’s have to whine about? Seems to me most of the whinning here is from dems. Conseratives are whinning about out of control reckless spending. I personally don’t think the fly by is a big deal, but it concerns me that we have borrowed 361 billion dollars in the current quarter alone, and in july we will have to borrow over 500 billion additional dollars. This is more than the US has ever borrowed in one year and we need it in one month.

This whole faux outrage is just a media ploy to take everyone’s mind off the real issues. Those issues which may may raise questions about the big O.

md

April 28th, 2009
10:31 am

Paul,

The point is that Obama is the ultimate CEO. He should absolutely be held to the highest standard of them all.

Problems within the ranks of present CEO’s – you bet. That is not an excuse for the premo CEO.

How does one fire Rick Wagoner for making mistakes (arguably) and not get fired for consistently making mistakes as well??

The problem as I see it, too many here give todays politicians a pass on ineptness. All politicians. Society as a whole has degraded itself and allowed lower standards. The era of personal accountability and responsibility has passed. Too bad for us.

md

April 28th, 2009
10:36 am

Tomhere,

Your contribution to the debate is to call others names and hurl insults?

Might want to reflect on that bit of wisdom.

Bosch

April 28th, 2009
10:45 am

md,

Come on – it’s been 100 days and you are calling for Obama’s impeachment based on your opinion that he’s made mistakes – obvious partisan hyperbole. Be real. If we impeached our POTUS every time some partisan hack said he made a mistake – we’d never have a POTUS.

ty webb

April 28th, 2009
10:47 am

Amvet,
I think I get your point, but I never said “money making” was a bad thing.

md

April 28th, 2009
10:53 am

The problem with your assumption is the partisan part. Unlike yourself, I hold all politicians equally accountable. Bush, Obama, it makes no difference.

Try it sometime. It may allow you to see beyond the “left” “right” fiasco that is the USA.

Bosch, Too many here pick “sides” and defend at all costs. Mistakes are mistakes. And maybe, just maybe, if these POTUS’s were actually held accountable and not given passes by their parties and constituients, we would get a better quality leader.

Unfortunately, the smart ones want nothing to do with politics. How sad for us.

Bosch

April 28th, 2009
10:59 am

md,

Unlike myself? Nope, not even close. I try it much more than you do, trust me.

Your opinion that Obama has made mistakes and needs to be fired after 100 days are partisan – please don’t feed us that line of crap.

People calling for Bush’s impeachment had legitimate concerns based on thing he’d actually done – complaints about Obama is nothing more than Limbaugh talking points – nothing based in reality.

Welfare for the Rich

April 28th, 2009
11:18 am

Tray: You are a liar–unlike the dimwits who follow faux noise word for word I did my research–the lady is just worried that the republican who allowed her to stay in the home will soon sell thus leaving her homeless.

Yes, that was insensitive especially when you have lived thru the 9/11 nightmare that Dick the Bush administration did not keep us safe from–next time it should be a News Flash before they actually fly over NYC.

I say impeach the Republicans.

GreenJeans

April 28th, 2009
11:18 am

Thanks Mrs. G for the 9:13. SoundBiteCity (the MSM) by and large left the impression that the flyby happened spontaneously and to everyone’s surprise.

The money quote: “…with directives to local authorities not to disclose information about it but to direct any inquiries to the F.A.A. Air Traffic Security Coordinator…”

I’d like a name attached to that one, please.

All that said, the NYC skyline and Miss Liberty are awesome touchstones for Americans and the rest of the world. It’ll make one helluva print.

Tray

April 28th, 2009
11:21 am

Bosch, you’re so blind to Obama’s ‘mistakes’, it’s not even funny…based on Rush’s talking points..??? I don’t need Rush to figure out there’s an idiot in charge, i can see it plain as day.

GLOBAL WARMING IS A DARN MYTH!! Made up by government for more government control! Ask Al Gore why he won’t debate any scientists head to head about ‘warming’. It
s a dman cycle you morons. I can’t wait, about 15 years from now (and I’ll be alive then to rub it in your face), the left will be screaming GLOBAL COOLING, because that’s when the next cycle will be full swing.

In case you don’t know, the earth has cooled 2 degress over the last 4 years (could be 5). All of you believe in something completely intangible, and if the left EVER did research on anything, instead of playing who said what, they would see.

Ray

April 28th, 2009
11:24 am

The blind following of the left to this clown’s programs and plans for this country astound me. There have been some pretty prominent narcissists in our past who look upon themselves as a bit better than the average voter…. a sense of self importance where humility doesn’t have a chance. He’s just a mere mortal, liberals, although he envisions himself as a savior. Surrounding yourself with a bunch of yes men and women to stroke your own ego is demonic. Someone to blame for all of our ills…..Bush should fit the bill. Look upon disagreement as a personal affront. A sense of entitlement should be thrown into the mix…. ” I deserve all of this attention and all of these people who bow down are my children and I know what’s best for them and for the country”. Anyone who disagrees is the enemy…. how dare you criticize me for wanting to save this great country!! If that’s not enough, severe criticism will be viewed as an attack on me and my race…. be careful.
Be careful who you blindly follow, liberals….. it has a way of biting you in the a** when you least expect it.

Dave R

April 28th, 2009
11:42 am

What do you expect from people who can’t even get casualty figures correct, such as Ambling Veterinarian and Susan Myers.

They more than DOUBLE the wounded numbers every time they post about the Iraq invasion, even though the Pentagon (and yes, that’s the Pentagon under Hope & Change) says the wounded count is less than half the figures thrown out by those two yahoos.

And great – the WH did notify all those NY agencies, but specifically BANNED that information from becoming public. It is NOT the officials that had a problem with it. It is the residents and workers who have already lived through an attack. I can see the reason for not announcing this for security purposes, but the photo-op fly-by was a waste of money, fuel and a generally bad idea in it’s location.

At least Caldera was taken to the woodshed for this stunt – allegedly.

AmVet

April 28th, 2009
11:48 am

Tray, sorry, your “data” on “cooling” is incorrect.

The facts cannot be politicized, as you Republican zealots fervently wish.

Fact – all eight of the hottest years for global temperature have been since 1998, and 14 of the hottest years have been since 1990.

Fact – the Arctic and Siberia had the greatest temperature increase, between 3 and 4 degrees Celsius. This heating was responsible for, or a direct result of, the smallest Arctic ice cap since records have been kept.

“It
s a dman cycle you morons.”

Alas, there is just one teensy weensy little problem with this idiotic “theory”.

These “cycles” as you call them, take centuries and millenia to manifest themselves. Not twenty-five or thirty years.

But it matters not. Truly. Seriously. Absolutely.

Why?

You ostriches have been overtly ostracized. Because of loony theories such as sunspots, wobbles int he earth’s orbit and cow farts. i.e. a complete, utter and total lack of a real alternative explanation that is superior. (This is science remember? It doesn’t care if you’re a Democrat, a Republican, an Independent or a Bible thumper).

And irrefutable, the flat-earthers without King George in a science-free White House have no real say going forward now. The brightest minds on the planet agree and the deniers will have to be content to sit on the sidelines and hurl feces.

Don’t shoot the messenger…

AmVet

April 28th, 2009
11:51 am

Hey! Right on cue! Sunspot Dave shows up!

Now that’s prescient.

Facts are a mystery to Sunspot Dave. Or perhaps he could show us his figures for Iraqi casualties fro American troops.

Nah…

ESR

April 28th, 2009
11:57 am

Wasn’t the same GOP dead after Nixon? Explain Ronald Reagan. Low wage earning democrats; gotta love ‘em, what else can you do with them. It’s illegal to toss them off bridges. Darn laws.

NOMAD

April 28th, 2009
12:17 pm

AmVet –
Could you please post a link to that data in your 11:48.

Thanks,
NOMAD

MH

April 28th, 2009
12:21 pm

Where were all these Obama whiners when the GOP was running up record deficits the last eight years? Where were the marches and the Tea Parties then? It only counts when it’s a Democrat doing it? I don’t agree with a lot of the bailout money either but at least have some consistency folks.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 28th, 2009
12:22 pm

The sensible and fiscally responsible thing to have done would have been to take a pic of Air Force One on a routine flight. Take a pic of the Statue of Liberty or whatever. Photoshop the two together. End of story; crisis averted.

Fly-On-The-Wall

April 28th, 2009
12:33 pm

One thing I thought was interesting when people want to talk about when discussing the merits of this fly-by photo-op or the smarts behind is that the person who directed is someone who also worked in the Bush White House! Guess that explains why it was such a stupid decision as we still some leftover Bushies making decisions that affect Americans!

Fly-On-The-Wall

April 28th, 2009
12:37 pm

Darn, should have said – “….the person who directed it is …..” Sorry.

The Professor

April 28th, 2009
12:41 pm

Sources: Sen. Specter intends to switch parties

danjonglee

April 28th, 2009
1:12 pm

Specter gone…fillibuster proof….time to turn the screws

Dave R

April 28th, 2009
1:13 pm

Gee, Ambling Veterinarian, got caught in another lie?

Too bad.

Your statement: “He has not gotten 30,000+ GIs wounded, many gravely”

The FACTS: Just over 14,000 GI’s injured – over 90% returned to duty within 72 hours.

Your phony statement just doesn’t pass the smell test – except that it stinks to high heaven in it’s falsehood.

Californication

April 28th, 2009
1:15 pm

DB, Gwinnettian,
they where called “Tea Parties” by people who knew and cared, it was the left wing idiots who feel like they don’t pay enough in taxes that called then “teabagging” Sending tea bags to your reps is better than a dead fish…. Liberal idiot, still it was the left that coined the teabagging phase, or was it some gay in a downtown bar?
Susan Myers,
no one died? No one died in Guantanamo, but I bet for a lot of New Yorkers it was torture! I love it when people put links to the huffingtonPuss, that is like saying the sky is green because I saw a picture of it. What does some pissed off rich b!tch have to say today… RLOL

Red Foreman

April 28th, 2009
1:42 pm

Leave the Libtards in charge and see what happens…if you dont know how to handle a gun, dont touch it…

danjonglee

April 28th, 2009
1:50 pm

I thought terrorism was a boogie man that Cheney made up to try to scare the knuckle draggers…sure did see a lot of chaos and panic in NY city yesterday

ESR

April 28th, 2009
2:03 pm

Roberts Gibbs isn’t bright or articulate enough to talk his way out of this one. Louis Caldera will be the sacrifical lamb. Business as usual.

ESR

April 28th, 2009
2:06 pm

Spector is a closet democrat, what a surprise. Don’t count on him for too long, he’s in a dead even race with Ted to see who will die first. My money is on a tie.