Reaction to Specter from across the GOP

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“I have traveled the state, talked to Republican leaders and office-holders and my supporters and I have carefully examined public opinion. It has become clear to me that the stimulus vote caused a schism which makes our differences irreconcilable. On this state of the record, I am unwilling to have my twenty-nine year Senate record judged by the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate.”
— Sen. Arlen Specter, who faced a difficult primary challenge by Pat Toomey of the ultra-conservative Club for Growth.

“I don’t want to be a member of the Club for Growth. I want to be a member of a vibrant national Republican party that can attract people from all corners of the country — and we can govern the country from a center-right perspective…. As Republicans, we got a problem.”
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-SC

““I would rather have 30 Republicans in the Senate who really believe in principles of limited government, free markets, free people, than to have 60 that don’t have a set of beliefs.”
— Sen. Jim DeMint, R-SC

“I happened to win with 74 percent of the vote in a blue-collar state, but no one asked me, ‘How did you do it?’ Seems to me that would have been the first question that would have come from the Republican Party to find out so we could avoid further losses. … Ultimately, we’re heading to having the smallest political tent in history, the way things are unfolding.”

Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine

“Guess now that Larry Craig is gone & Specter realized there was no teabagging at the teaparty, he had to go Dem for Frank to fondle him.”
— RedState.com founder Erick Erickson, on Twitter.

“”[National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman John] Cornyn went out on the line for this man. For the senator to flip the bird back to Senator Cornyn and the Republican Senate Leadership, a team that stood by him, who went to the bat for him in 2004, to save his hide is not only disrespectful but downright rude. I’m sure his mama didn’t raise him this way.”
— RNC Chair Michael Steele

“RINO Specter is the first to go! He knows that we conservatives are taking back the party and there’s simply no room for him. He’s just showing his true colors and being what he has been all along: a DEMOCRAT!!!!!! Now, if we could only dump Snowe and Collins….”
a Free Republic poster

“We may not have liked or trusted Spector, but he gave the Republicans a very small margin of error. Franken will be seated and there you go. Moreover, there are now no Republicans from the border of NH to VA. We cannot go on like this unless there we can pick up strength in some other places. And that is not going to happen anytime soon.
There are no blue states turning purple and there are no purple states turning red. But there are a number of red states turning purple and a number of purple states turning blue.”
— A more sane Free Republic poster

“You don’t have to be a particular fan of Specter (I’m not) to think that today’s news is bad, to say the least, and, yes, the position in which Specter now finds himself must mean that he shifts (further?) left, taking, in a very real sense, the country with him.

Disastrous.

Sometimes (to borrow Lenin’s phrase), the worse can be better, but sometimes the worse is simply worse.”
— Andrew Stuttaford, NRO’s The Corner

“My initial reaction on hearing the news was that after generating a bunch of Democratic House seats, the Club for Growth has now produced its first Democratic senator. I assume that Specter’s votes will now move leftward.”
— Ramesh Ponnuru, NRO’s The Corner

“I think the threat to the country presented by this defection really relates to the issue of whether or not in the United States of America our people want the majority to have whatever it wants, without restraint, without a check or a balance…. This is not a national story, this is a Pennsylvania story.”
— Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell

“I think this shows the folly, from the point of view of expanding Republican numbers in Congress, of Pat Toomey’s candidacy. His chances of winning a general election, in my judgment, were far lower than they were in 2004, when he ran against Specter and lost the primary by only a 51%-49% margin. …. In between some 200,000 Pennsylvania voters switched their party registration from Republican to Democratic. This does not seem to have been just an opportunistic move to vote in a particular primary but the sign of a genuine switch in allegiance. And it’s not just a Pennsylvania phenomenon. Republican party identification has sagged significantly since 2004 in most parts of the nation.”
— Conservative political analyst Michael Barone

269 comments Add your comment

RealityKing

April 28th, 2009
3:48 pm

Good riddance to another big liberal spender..

Copyleft

April 28th, 2009
3:51 pm

I liked Jim DeMint’s comment:

“I would rather have 30 Republicans in the Senate who really believe in principles of limited government, free markets, free people, than to have 60 that don’t have a set of beliefs.”

Yes, and right now you don’t have any, Senator.

However, if you’re still hoping to continue the purge until you’ve got a set of “true-blue, tested, non-RINO far-right conservatives” in office, I’m sure you’ll wind up with–oh, maybe three or four.

At the county level.

As sewage commissioners and dogcatchers.

GayGrayGeek

April 28th, 2009
3:52 pm

Slowly, inexorably, with the loss of “center-right” folks and insisting on “Party First and Party Forever” fealty to a shrinking base, the GOP is becoming the party of Bitter, Aged, Racist Caucasians – the BARC.

I Report/ You Whine

April 28th, 2009
3:54 pm

You can have Lindsey Graham too.

I Report/ You Whine

April 28th, 2009
3:59 pm

Yeah, and the democrats are slowly becoming the party of we don’t know which party we belong to, what our sex is or where our 747 is at.

Brad Steel

April 28th, 2009
4:04 pm

Whiner,
“… where our 747 is at.”

Learn that grammar at Duke?

N.J,

April 28th, 2009
4:05 pm

Jim DeMint talks a good talk, but his state is the largest recipient of federal pork in the nation. South Carolinians get back a huge amount more from the federal government than they pay into the federal coffers and DeMint has been one of the biggest opponents to the idea of “paygo” government. He rails against government social spending, which amounts to about 11 cents out of every tax dollar but whips up defense spending, because huge portions of it go to his state. He has opposed almost every investigation into Pentagon waste as well.

Corporal Punishment

April 28th, 2009
4:06 pm

RealtyKing:
Spittles: “Good riddance to another big liberal spender..”

You should have mentioned that he is unAmerican, aPinko and against the constitution. He probably is a member of ACORN and is has been seen pal’n around with George Soros.

(titter titter)

Dusty

April 28th, 2009
4:08 pm

Is anyone surprised over Specter’s chameleon event? Not me. When you walk like a Democrat, talk like a Democrat, I suspect that you are a Democrat. Specter just confirmed what most already realized.

Are Republicans crying? Hardly. Congress has been dominated by the Jackass Party many times before. We already know how they can mess up without any help from GOP. Does a pile of TRILLION DOLLAR DEBTS in less than 100 days ring a bell?

There’s an old saying: “When the going gets tough, the tough keep going.” The weak cut’n'run. Libs can have Specter. I’ll tie a ribbon on him if it would help. He’s all yours, Dems. and…Thank you!!

N.J,

April 28th, 2009
4:10 pm

All you need do is stop LISTENING to the Republican leadership and follow the tax dollars. The most expensive and wasteful spending is largely pushed by those who provide the largest diversion yelling about social spending. They want to borrow those Social Security dollars to pay for defense spending in their own state, they simply dont want those taxes spent on Social Security payments. If the Social Security trust fund was locked, the average Social Security check would be twice as large and there would still be a huge surplus to pay the same to the baby boomers. And it was REAGAN who created the surplus. It didnt EXIST until 1984. Social Security was a paygo program. The payroll tax was raises as needed and designed to be reduced when it was no longer needed at those levels. Reagan made the levels permanent and started borrowing from them in order to lower income taxes and leave the mess for future generations to fix.

George American

April 28th, 2009
4:10 pm

No worries. We still got Limbaugh, Hannity, Jindal and Palin. And they got the Omamatang and he is screwing things up!.

md

April 28th, 2009
4:15 pm

Well, we just got the car out of the ditch on the right side of the road, must be time to overcorrect and drive into the ditch on the left side. Back and forth we go playing to the extremes. Been this way since I’ve been on this earth, and will continue as long as we have two corrupt self-centered parties “representing” us.

Wonder how it would be if we could ever keep the car in the middle of the road?

IC Atlanta

April 28th, 2009
4:16 pm

Goodbye Arlen – he actually owes his last victory to W. Go Pat Go! Specter is a joke with no integrity. He will fit in extremely well with the other democrats.

N.J,

April 28th, 2009
4:17 pm

On top of those payroll taxes every dollar spent on consumption has about 56 cents of taxes applied to it. Between visible sales taxes and hidden taxes like corporate taxes, government tariffs etc, those who spend most of their income on consumer goods necessary to just live pat the lions share of taxes in this country. Those who have excess income to invest or save do not see this portion of their income subject to those taxes.

On the whole the entire right wing effort to create the illusion that the wealthy pay the most taxes in the United States is just that. The entire tax structure in the United States still shields the wealthiest from the most taxation, and conservatives focus totally on the “income tax’ which makes does not even make up half of all federal revenues and is a tiny percentage of the overall tax burden that is passed off onto the working classes.

Dave R

April 28th, 2009
4:19 pm

I’m with DeMint on this one. Living a principled life is nothing to be ashamed of.

If the Democrats would simply admit that they are really Socialists, if liberals would drop their foolish “progressive” label and admit who they are, if Republicans would actually vote according to their small government platform, this country would be far better off. And we’d know exactly who to vote for and why.

Red Foreman

April 28th, 2009
4:19 pm

Goodbye Arlen…so Jay, when you gonna join Terrence an Cynthia…

RealityKing

April 28th, 2009
4:21 pm

And why is that NJ? Oh wait, let me guess.., you’ve never had employees have you.

RealityKing

April 28th, 2009
4:23 pm

When a country depends on 3% of its population for 50% of its income. It only takes the loss of a handful to reek disaster on the other 98%. Just ask France..

N.J,

April 28th, 2009
4:23 pm

Again, Obama’s 2010 budget is about 500 billion dollars MORE than Bush’s 2009 Budget and Bush’s budget RETAININED a huge tax cut for the top two percent which he got by BORROWING 2.1 trillion dollars from the bottom 98 percent (his tax cuts were based on FUTURE projected payroll tax surpluses) As soon as the Bush Tax cuts expire, Obama’s additional spending is paid for, lock stock and barrel.

That is why the Republicans are going haywire. Obama does not have to do anything to raise taxes on the wealthy. All he has to do is wait one year, and the expired Bush tax cuts eliminate any deficit spending Republicans are trying to lay on him.

Of course they will yell that by doing nothing Obama is RAISING TAXES, but of course the expiration date of this tax cut was create by REPUBLICANS, not Democrats.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

April 28th, 2009
4:23 pm

I thought this freak was convicted of killing the barbarian Queen and was going to jail.

Dan

April 28th, 2009
4:24 pm

NJ even if you accept some of the illusions or hallucinations you put forth as fact. The wealthy buy more consumer goods as well ergo they pay more of any kind of tax. It is simple math really.
“government is the great illusion where everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else”

RealityKing

April 28th, 2009
4:25 pm

3 + 98 = 100?? OK even I can’t add after 4, heaven help us with democrats in charge.

RW-(the original)

April 28th, 2009
4:26 pm

This is great news. Now if we can get Stuart Smalley seated the Dems can go full speed ahead with their outrageous plans and we can get the backlash started in plenty of time for the 2010 mid terms.

Frederick Douglass

April 28th, 2009
4:26 pm

George American, why’d ya leave George “The Spider Monkey” Bush out of your All American lineup? He was a world class screwup in his day too.

See?

April 28th, 2009
4:26 pm

There used to be a thing called moderates in the Republican party, and Specter was a good one. I guess all of you on here blasting him are the 21% of Americans who call themselves “Republicans” now. You can thump your chest all you want, but you can’t win when there is no one left in your party but you.

Dusty

April 28th, 2009
4:27 pm

Dear md,

Yep, we run off the road sometimes. But I’d rather do it with a fine conservative Chevy than take my chances with a fired-up Ford Pinto.

Right now we are in a Pinto and the sparks are flying. And it took less than 100 days to fire up. Honk if you feel the heat.

RealityKing

April 28th, 2009
4:27 pm

The CBO estimated that Obama’s budget will double the national debt in 10 years. That with the end of Bush’s tax cuts.

md

April 28th, 2009
4:31 pm

Check your history folks, it is all cyclical. 4 or 8 but rarely ever 12. Ever wonder why?

It tickles me to watch the cheerleaders for both parties pat themselves on the back and then watch as the world changes.

RealtyQueen

April 28th, 2009
4:32 pm

Don’t worry, RealtyKing, we are not counting on you for correct math or anything else for that matter.

Paul

April 28th, 2009
4:33 pm

This was a pretty astute comment from Sen Specter: “On this state of the record, I am unwilling to have my twenty-nine year Senate record judged by the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate.”

Politicians have to run the gauntlet of the hard-core party faithful during the primaries. Specter understands the difficulty of this. It’s no different than what we saw in the Presidential primaries – no wonder the Dem candidates came across as so ‘liberal’ – they were responding to the MoveOns and the special interests. But now that we have Pres Obama dealing with reality, we’re seeing in a number of areas an essential continuation of the essence (but not the perception) of Bush policies – and those same interest groups are none too happy about it.

So Sen Specter made the wise career move. But Sen Snowe’s whistling in the wind if she thinks the party power brokers are going to sacrifice ideology for reality to get more Republicans elected.

N.J,

April 28th, 2009
4:34 pm

Quite the contrary. Many CBO estimates show the opposite. A shrinking deficit as soon as the Bush tax cuts expire.

The Bush tax cuts account for ONE FIFTH of the national debt (2.1 trillion dollars)

Mrs. Godzilla

April 28th, 2009
4:34 pm

I think Specter just honked…..

RealityKing

April 28th, 2009
4:34 pm

The republicans last budget was in 2006, 100 billion in the red, with an increasing GDP.

The deomcrats budget in 2007 was 200 billion in the red. 300 billion in 2008. Almost 500 billion in 2009. And 2010 is looking like a block buster, all with a shrinking GDP. Booking the progressive way.

Progressively educated NJ..??

RealityKing

April 28th, 2009
4:37 pm

A shrinking deficit from next years 1.8 trillion block buster that is…

I Report/ You Whine

April 28th, 2009
4:38 pm

You might wanna ask yourselves why Obozo can’t get his cap and tax “plan” passed, health care deform is dying a slow, agonizing single payer death and tard check is goner before you start dancing on the grave of Conservatism.

That hole is empty, hahahaha, morons.

Why do you think Obozo had to promise “tax cuts?”

duh

RL

April 28th, 2009
4:39 pm

Is the NATIONAL Republican party in trouble? Maybe you should be asking IS there a NATIONAL Republican party? The Republican party is nothing more than a regional southern party… which it seems according to Senator DeMint is what they want… to be in the minority… really? Strange things happening in the Republican party… very very strange.

Bosch

April 28th, 2009
4:39 pm

Paul,

Don’t you be talking smack about Olympia Snowe.

NJ,

While I disagreed with you earlier, I’ve enjoyed your posts since then that seem to be making Dave and RealityKing’s heads’ spin round.

RealityKing

April 28th, 2009
4:39 pm

98% of American will have a worthless retirement saving account when our National Debt is more than our GDP. No jobs and sky high inflation. That’s the direction Obama is clearly taking America.

Dusty

April 28th, 2009
4:40 pm

N.J.? New Jersey?

Wasn’t your state where Al Capone lived? Maybe that was Chicago, IL. Or was it the state where the mob buried them dead or alive in concrete? Did you do their tax returns?

NJ writes”As soon as the Bush tax cuts expire,Obama’s additional spending is paid for, lock, stock and barrel.” Yes, indeed, just like when we find the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. No more debt! Whoopee!! Democrats love fairy tales.

Reebok

April 28th, 2009
4:40 pm

Specter is correct, there are really no moderate Republicans left. The party has given itself over to the worst instincts of the most reactionary members of its base. That Erick Erickson sure is a thoughtful, charming guy, though.

RealityKing

April 28th, 2009
4:42 pm

NJ is obviously a liberal hack from the media. Easily identified by the clueless talking points..

Paul

April 28th, 2009
4:42 pm

Bosch

Actually, it was a compliment. She won with a great margin. She’s not a moderate. But do the Reps send in a task force to analyze what happened, why, and if there is anything to adapt to the party as a whole? Nooooo.

I would’ve thought you’d have taken exception to my comments about many of Pres Obama’s policies being essentially extensions of Bush’s….

Paul

April 28th, 2009
4:42 pm

Bosch

Make that, Sen Snowe IS a moderate.

getalife

April 28th, 2009
4:44 pm

cons are taking our country back.

For the dems after w tossed them under the bus.

I Report/ You Whine

April 28th, 2009
4:45 pm

The democrats picked up another loser, perfect fit-

Last Thursday night on the Senate floor, Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., told Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter, then still a Republican, that DeMint would be supporting Specter’s rival, former Rep. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., in next year’s Senate Republican primary. DeMint says Specter “pretty much cut me off and said, ‘I’ve heard enough.’ ”
DeMint wouldn’t speculate whether this conversation spurred Specter to switch parties, but the conversation came within hours of the release of a poll showing Toomey leading Specter among primary voters 51 percent to 30 percent. “We knew Pat was going to win the primary,” DeMint said in a Capitol Hill interview Tuesday, minutes after Specter announced his move. “This [party switch] shouldn’t surprise anyone. It was a clever political move.”-Best Of The Web

Buh bye

Dusty

April 28th, 2009
4:45 pm

Mz Godzie,

Specter should honk. His cookies are BURNING!

John

April 28th, 2009
4:45 pm

Wow … what a bunch of sore losers all you Republicans are.

Bosch

April 28th, 2009
4:46 pm

Paul,

Olympia Snowe is too a moderate. She’s awesome. She probably rolls her eyes daily and thinks, “I’m surrounded by morons.” And she’s right.

Obama/Bush’s policies? Like what other than Afghanistan?

Bosch

April 28th, 2009
4:47 pm

Paul@ 4:42 –

Okay, that’s better. I was about to call you a doodoo head.

Boink

April 28th, 2009
4:47 pm

An ass is an ass……..He played a bad Rhino to begin with. I wonder if he will call for the investigation of NASCAR this week? It would be fitting of such an esteemed character.

John

April 28th, 2009
4:47 pm

George American

April 28th, 2009
4:10 pm

No worries. We still got Limbaugh, Hannity, Jindal and Palin. And they got the Omamatang and he is screwing things up!.

I’d vote for “Obamatang” anyday over these four bozos.

I Report/ You Whine

April 28th, 2009
4:48 pm

DeMint said Specter’s switch “shows that there were not principles attaching Arlen to the Republican Party, but the Republican Party was the means to get elected.”

DeMint continued: “I would rather have 30 Republicans in the Senate who really believe in principles of limited government, free markets, free people, than to have 60 that don’t have a set of beliefs.”

bwa

Larry Allen

April 28th, 2009
4:48 pm

79 years old, and the GOP is worried…..Give me a break, sounds like a victory for the GOP and loss for the DEMOCRATS by him switching. BUT, at his age, he probably don’t know where he is a Republican or Democrat….

TUESDAY VANDY GIRL

April 28th, 2009
4:48 pm

Good Riddence, Specter.. I hope Toomey(spelling?) beats you in the general now instead of just the primary, and oh yeah..hope your cancer relapses

Lady

April 28th, 2009
4:50 pm

There will be a lot of seats changing. People are really pissed (excuse the french) and have had enough. Its not going to matter what party they are, they will be removed from office. Its one thing to vote in a black president, its quite another to get the same people voting for house and senate seats. Those voters simply do not care and dont know how government works. The house and senate will turn over in groves come elections day. WE AMERICANS, WHITE, BLACK,YELLOW, TAN, DEMOCRATIC, REPUBLICAN, CONSERTATIVE, we are all Amercicans as we saw at the tea parties and we will all stand together to get this government removal complete. It wont matter the party, just how they voted and how much pork they supported. Thats what the real voters will see this election. See ya at the polls.

Dave R

April 28th, 2009
4:50 pm

Trust me, Bosch, the only head spinning out there is NJ’s. No one could spout all that competing and canceling nonsense without his head going ’round and ’round.

George American

April 28th, 2009
4:51 pm

Oh yeah. We got Glenn Beck, Bill O’Ralley, and the Fox and Friends morning crew too.

Bosch

April 28th, 2009
4:52 pm

I didn’t know “piss” was a French word.

Dave R

April 28th, 2009
4:52 pm

Vandy Girl, your last comment regarding Specter’s cancer was inappropriate.

I would suggest an apology is in order.

I make stuff up/You ignore me

April 28th, 2009
4:55 pm

America has a two party system; The Democratic Party, and the….the……repwho?…..irrelevantican? or something like that party.

And now, a joke my grandkids will be telling in 15 years to make their Grandpa laugh:

Knock, knock.
Who’s there?
A Republican.
What’s a Republican?.

Bwaaahaaahahh!

See?

April 28th, 2009
4:56 pm

“and oh yeah..hope your cancer relapses”
What a nasty inhumane thing to say. But that is how the extreme far right operates. They want to sear their “Christian” values into your brain while at the same time wishing cancer upon people. Keep it classy Tuesday Vandy Girl! Your parents must be so proud to have raised such a wonderful human being (snark intended).

TUESDAY VANDY GIRL

April 28th, 2009
4:56 pm

Dave R..If i cared what other people thought, I’d ask them. If I hate someone and they have a weakness , say..cancer, I would be remiss if I did not look to it to help remove the person from my conciousness. This year cancer will probably help out with Teddy “the keg” Kennedy and Ruth Ginsberg, it can be handy.

jasper

April 28th, 2009
4:57 pm

Hey kids, one thing remains the same, you’re not going to get Dick Cheney. But don’t let that gnaw at you. Rave on!

the evil rich

April 28th, 2009
4:58 pm

Who cares? He hardly voted **right** anyway.

Dennis

April 28th, 2009
4:59 pm

As I recall it was after the 2002 election that those conservative pundits and talk show host that many on this blog hate so much, began a wave of: Democrats are dead; Democrats can never recover; Democrats have lost their way; Democrats have no leadership; Democrats are rudderless; Democrats are……….

I did not believe that bull. I do not believe the same line of bull coming from Democrats and Democrat pundits now.

The pendulum swings.

TUESDAY VANDY GIRL

April 28th, 2009
4:59 pm

And to the mindless see?…You have not, nor will you, see me try to prosthyltize “christian” values..Loving ones enemy and Turning the other cheek are two of the stupidest ideas I have ever heard.

the evil rich

April 28th, 2009
5:00 pm

Hey Dave R, it’s still America, no apology necessary!

Dusty

April 28th, 2009
5:00 pm

bosch,

If Olympia Snowe said she was surrounded by morons it would be when Congress became controlled by Democrats. That would be a correct assessment.

Dave R

April 28th, 2009
5:01 pm

Vandy Girl,

While I do not like people such as Ted Kennedy, Ruth Bader Ginsburg or Arlen Specter, I do not wish them harm – just unemployment from their current occupations. There is no room for hate in this kind of discussion. Don’t lower yourself to the level of animals.

See?

April 28th, 2009
5:01 pm

Again Tuesday Vandy Girl, way to keep it classy! Being hate-filled is not an attractive quality.

Welfare for the Rich

April 28th, 2009
5:02 pm

Saxby Chambliss and his 60 vote theory bringing Methalin and her unwed, uneducated, unemployed baby mama to help him win as a rethugalin to avoid a 60 vote fillibuster what IRONY….

New Motto:
Once you go Democrat you can’t go Back — If you are a Republicans you just can’t WIN…ex: Al Franken Minn, Scott Murphy NY20, and counting….Pres. Obama 2012 and beyond

Do me a favor keep those Teabaggers I mean tea parties going–each time the people see those right wing extremist nazi’s who think they are the only Americans the Democrats will keep winning…

GOP — Grand Old Party dying off like the dinosaurs…Teabagging forever 2012 and beyond

Jefferson

April 28th, 2009
5:04 pm

Sounds like a bunch of Ugay fans when Stafford announced he was selling out…
“oh we’ll be better without him” ha–

jasper

April 28th, 2009
5:04 pm

TVG, i would submit that you run your posts through a spell check, copy and paste, before you try to wax sesquipedalian. Remember, never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.

Paul

April 28th, 2009
5:05 pm

Bosch

Oh, Iraq for a start. The Pres heard nothing different from the generals than what they were telling Pres Bush – and he adjusted his timeline accordingly. Iran? Nice overture, but it was not a policy shift. It was an offer – offered and rejected. So we’re about where we are and Pres Obama has some tough calls to make in the next year or two. We’ll see if what he said in the campaign was rhetoric – or if he meant it. Europe? Nothing’s changed. Sure, he’s popular, but that and a buck’ll get you a cup of coffee. Did anything change with the NATO mission in Afg? Nope. Did the Germans change their economic policies regarding the recession? Nope. Domestic? TARP? That was Bush’s. And Obama expanded it. Stim package? Nothing radical there, either, except for possibly the amount – and weren’t the initial numbers when Rep objections were factored in closer (in spending amounts and tax cut amounts) closer to what the Pres proposed than what Spkr Pelosi put out? Then there’s the apoplectic Left regarding rendition, wiretaps and other neato Overseas Contingency Operations (hey… what’re they gonna call it when another domestic attack hits?).

So… howzzat?

Dusty

April 28th, 2009
5:06 pm

I Make Stuff UP.

Yep, your grand kids will get a big laugh about Democrats. In 15 years, they will still be paying the debts that Democrats piled up like Mt. Everest in 2009. Just tell’em you thought it was funny and fell for it.

TUESDAY VANDY GIRL

April 28th, 2009
5:07 pm

Dave R, it’s a calculation..certain lives are expendable for acheivement of a goal.. the number and identity vary by goal..but lets not kid ourselves that all human life is sacred or anything.

On a much more comical note, have any of you picked up todays “print” version of the AJC? Are you really trying to pawn this off as a real major metropolitan newspaper, Jay? I assume , liberal and misguided as you are, you still have some professional pride..It must be killing you inside to see the denny’s child placemat coloring book that the new AJC has become.

retiredds

April 28th, 2009
5:08 pm

conservatives vs liberals = 0 sum game, i.e., you cancel each other out. But I do enjoy the verbal games.

Red

April 28th, 2009
5:09 pm

100 days and our Dear Leader has now captured the Senate- without so much as an election. Now that’s saying something! Keep talking Hannity and Rush–keep talking!

Paul

April 28th, 2009
5:11 pm

Vandy Girl

Just as Specter changed to the Dems, I guess from your tone that not that long ago you were an ultralib posing on MoveOn and DailyKos and got your discourse training there with regular attacks against the Bush Administration.

So now the party under attack is different as are the names of the people, but the verbal style is still the same.

So, why’d you change ideologies?

md

April 28th, 2009
5:17 pm

The fickle middle votes in the POTUS, so it is not necessarily a good thing to have a ramrod government in place. One party rule has a way of alienating the middle.

In every national election the major-party candidate who gets most of the independent votes wins.

And remember, the middle does not like the left or the right, it just happens that those are the choices.

TUESDAY VANDY GIRL

April 28th, 2009
5:17 pm

My ideology has never changed..survival of the fittest(smartest, usually) and the fact that my property means more to me than the wants, needs, or the very lives, of others.

I am so objectivist that John Galt says , “who is Tuesday Vandy girl?”

Paul

April 28th, 2009
5:18 pm

Vandy Girl

I was struck by the similarities between your posting and some from the farfarleft who used to post here. About all that’s different are the nouns.

Taxpayer

April 28th, 2009
5:19 pm

The party of no just keeps moving closer and closer to the party of no one. Keep up the good work, GOPers. Purge that party. Get everything that is not pure bred right wing Republican out of the system. Well, except for Saxby. You guys just re-elected him. hehehehe

Paul

April 28th, 2009
5:20 pm

5:17

Aha. Another Atlas Shrugged devotee.

Nice clue. Mystery solved.

saywhat?

April 28th, 2009
5:21 pm

No need for any moderate presidential appointments anymore now, is there? How quickly the pendulum can swing. The best part is that its still picking up momentum.

Its so funny watching the die hard 21 percenters, who were so sure McCain had the 2008 election won, that Congress was going to swing Republican in 2008, still talking smack about how the democrats will be ousted in 2010. How blind and ignorant can they possibly be? Oh well, I guess I’ll just have to prepare myself to ROFLMAO at them in 2010, again in 2012, 2014, and then maybe get a rest since they will no longer exist.

Cindy

April 28th, 2009
5:22 pm

Vandy Girl,
What a wonderful representation of the rightists! Good example of why America began to move left.

So, let me get this straight, Jindal and Palin are the hope for the future of the Republican party? HeeHee Haha HaHaaaa Oh my.

RW-(the original)

April 28th, 2009
5:24 pm

Paul,

They already have a name picked out for the next domestic terrorist attack. Man Caused Disaster. I’m not even making that up.

pat

April 28th, 2009
5:28 pm

Who cares? He acted like a democrat, so he’ll be just as useless as a democrat…

Dusty

April 28th, 2009
5:28 pm

Dear Red,

I thought Congress was controlled by Democrats for several years. But.. if you say so, Obama CAPTURED Congress. Now if he can get around to capturing more Terrorists that would be even better. If he follows Bush’s military directives he might do that.

But then again, Bush had military experience and listened to his Generals. Obama is trying the same thing but he is totally inexperienced and somewhat passive. Something tells me that Michelle might be better at this military line of aggressive work.

Susan Myers

April 28th, 2009
5:28 pm

Old Rush has had it! Too funny!

Limbaugh To Specter: Take McCain And His Daughter With You

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/28/limbaugh-to-specter-take_n_192382.htm

Paul

April 28th, 2009
5:29 pm

RW-(the original)

Oh…. my…. gosh….. I suppose you’re right…. you can’t make this stuff up…..

I had a discussion with a friend today who told me of the winner (a retired Marine Corps lieutenant colonel) of this year’s annual contest at Texas A&M University for the clearest definition for “Politically Correctness”:

‘Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a tu#d by the clean end’
.

Paul

April 28th, 2009
5:30 pm

RW

Make that Political Correctness.

Susan Myers

April 28th, 2009
5:30 pm

GOP + Principles = Oxymoron

Mrs. Godzilla

April 28th, 2009
5:30 pm

Read something interesting about the Specter change up.

It isn’t about the votes he brings it’s about the PR.

This is no Senator Who from Nowhere, this is a big name GOP Senator.

All over America tonight folks will be watching a 70 something year old
conservative Republican abandon the party of NO.

It will make it easier for others to follow suit.

28% in November.
25% last month.
21% today.

There seems to be a trend dontcha’ think?

Susan Myers

April 28th, 2009
5:31 pm

NEWS ALERT!!!

If you supported “W” your opinion is no longer valid.

Sit it out for 8 years and let the sane people try for a change.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 28th, 2009
5:31 pm

A little historical perspective as seen from my lifetime. Johnson trounced Goldwater and the GOP was pronounced dead and buried. Then along comes Nixon. He beats Humphrey who is seen as an extension of Johnson. After he trounces McGovern we hear that’s the end of the Democrats. The little Watergate thing comes along and Ford pardons Nixon. Carter gets elected and we’re told it’ll be a generation before the GOP comes back. That lasted less than 4 years really and Reagan wins in a landslide. We hear the death knell for the Democrats again. It does take 12 years but then Clinton gets elected and stays in 8 years. The economy gets rolling pretty good and we start to hear about the GOP being dead again. Then George W gets elected and the cycle swings the other way and the Dems are pronounced dead after 2004. No we’ve gone through the cycle again.

This is basically a centrist country. You have about a 1/3 on the left and about a 1/3 on the left. The 1/3 in the center is who really calls the shots. Those who took Bush’s win in 2000 as a huge mandate for the right were mistaken. Those on the left are making the same mistake now. The country didn’t really take a huge swing to the left; just a large number of people were pissed about the economy. That’s not to say Obama might not have won anyway but even his most ardent supporters have to admit the timing of the Wall Street mess was a golden goose dumped in his lap.

The one thing you can always be sure of is the group in power will always overplay their hand and create a backlash. The right was the last to do this but the left will do it too. Politicians always get caught up in believing their own rhetoric. So this cycle will play itself out too.

N.J,

April 28th, 2009
5:32 pm

Lets put it this way, according to the CBO, 1.2 trillion of the deficits they estimate over the next ten years were what they projected would be the portion of the deficit created by Bush. In 2004 the CBO predicted that Bush’s budget would create a 1.8 TRILLION dollar deficit by 2014 and 1.2 trillion of this would be directly created by Bush’s budget. Bush increased spending without a revenue source for that spending.

Obama increases the deficit over the next TEN YEARS by another 1.2 trillion, but by eliminating the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, raised 1.2 trillion, the portion that the top two percent got out of the Bush 2.1 trillion dollar total tax cuts.

One huge portion of the deficit, which is forgotten is the cost of the Iraq War which was extra budget expenses. That is to say, it was not counted in the deficit while Bush was pressident, but it is now being counted by Obama. The portion of the deficit that is now part of the Obama deficit but was hidden by Bush is 851 billion dollars. It will cost another 800 billion to wind down the war that Bush started, unless we are simply going to abandon the troops in Iraq, and not replace or repair the military equipment left behind. Winding down Iraq will cost more than the stimulus package.

So far Obama’s predictions have been spot on. The recession which Bush denied existed a year and a half ago, is now predicted to end by the end of 2009, not the end of 2010 which was predicted while Bush was president. Today most financial experts predict that the worse of the recession is over and that it will be finished by the end of the year:

Financial experts say recession ends by year’s end
Financial experts predict economic turnaround by year’s end

Of course conservative will assert it would have occured anyway, but the majority of experts credit Obama’s leadership and the way he dealt with the crisis.

WASHINGTON, March 7 (UPI) — Congressional budget analysts say President Bush’s spending proposals for fiscal year 2004 would boost the federal budget deficit to $1.8 trillion over 10 years. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office says changes to the tax laws would significantly reduce revenues.

TUESDAY VANDY GIRL

April 28th, 2009
5:32 pm

Cindy, I can almost see you making minimum wage and scratching off lottery tickets as you laugh …Life is about the Individual..obama or mccain, makes no difference to me, I could care elss about society of the nation, and I will be successful no matter who is in the whitehouse..for losers, a leftist in the white house means a new transfer from the people who earned it , to their own miserable selves. For achievers, the only thing determined by who is in the white house is if the money can stay in this country or has to be offshored to avoid abusive taxation to support the failed lives of people I can’t realy stand anyway.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 28th, 2009
5:33 pm

That should have read 1/3 on the left and 1/3 on the right…sorry

Taxpayer

April 28th, 2009
5:34 pm

Atlas shrugged — pagan god worshipping.