Threat of flu pandemic increases

Two words you don’t like to see together: “Global pandemic.” But that’s what officials in Washington are now talking about. From the New York Times:

“Responding to what some health officials feared could be the leading edge of a global pandemic emerging from Mexico, American health officials declared a public health emergency on Sunday as 20 cas.

Other nations imposed travel bans or made plans to quarantine air travelers as confirmed cases also appeared in Mexico and Canada and suspect cases emerged elsewhere.

Top global flu experts struggled to predict how dangerous the new A (H1N1) swine flu strain would be as it became clear that they had too little information about Mexico’s outbreak — in particular how many cases had occurred in what is thought to be a month before the outbreak was detected, and whether the virus was mutating to be more lethal, or less.

As a news conference in Washington, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano called the emergency declaration “standard operating procedure,” and said she would rather call it a “declaration of emergency preparedness.”

“It’s like declaring one for a hurricane,” she said. “It means we can release funds and take other measures. The hurricane may not actually hit.”

So far, the version that has hit here in the USA is pretty mild. But south of the border the news is more ominous.

The Washington Post reports from Mexico:

“The anxiety over the virus has vastly altered the rhythm of Mexico City, with millions of people staying home and many of those who venture out doing so wearing masks. On Sunday, Catholic Masses across the city were canceled. One of the most popular Mexican professional soccer teams played a game in an empty stadium that can seat more than 100,000 people. Mayor Marcelo Ebrard said he might have to shut down all public transportation if the crisis worsens.

The question of who contracts and ultimately dies from this virus has become a matter of central concern in Mexico. And the answers that are beginning to emerge as the death toll rises have been ominous. Relatively young adults, presumably among the population’s most healthy, have been the first to succumb. Sunday afternoon, Mexico placed the death toll at 86, and a Health Ministry official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said all the dead were ages 25 to 50. The ministry later raised the toll to 103….

The high proportion of young adults among the fatalities is one of several mysteries about this virus. The same pattern emerged during the 1918-1919 Spanish influenza epidemic, which killed at least 50 million people, and it remains unexplained in that case as well. “

That’s something else you don’t like to see: comparisons to 1918-19 Spanish flu.

131 comments Add your comment

I Report/ You Whine

April 27th, 2009
7:32 am

George W Bush would have never let this happen.

Way to go Obozo.

Mrs. Godzilla

April 27th, 2009
7:33 am

A little reading on the subject:

“When House Appropriations Committee chairman David Obey, the Wisconsin Democrat who has long championed investment in pandemic preparation, included roughly $900 million for that purpose in this year’s emergency stimulus bill, he was ridiculed by conservative operatives and congressional Republicans. …..
Rove specifically complained that Obey’s proposal included “$462 million for the Centers for Disease Control, and $900 million for pandemic flu preparations…..

Famously, Maine Senator Susan Collins, the supposedly moderate Republican who demanded cuts in health care spending in exchange for her support of a watered-down version of the stimulus, fumed about the pandemic funding: “Does it belong in this bill? Should we have $870 million in this bill No, we should not….

….The Senate version of the stimulus plan included no money whatsoever for pandemic preparedness.”

Read the whole piece here:

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/430261?rel=hp_picks

I Report/ You Whine

April 27th, 2009
7:39 am

Obozo is so concerned about the decimation of humanity that he took in a round of golf over the weekend, I’m pretty sure our super duper First Lady didn’t miss her lobster dinner, perhaps maybe that is part of hopeandchange.duh, to kill off all of the human race?

And then al-Gore can pollute without worry.

Red Foreman

April 27th, 2009
7:40 am

This pig-flu stuff is CRAAAAAAAAAAZY!!!!!

Redneck Convert

April 27th, 2009
7:50 am

Well, you might of knowed the libruls would fool around with pigs and start the flu bug around the nation. Bunch of preverts. We need to make a law to keep people from crossing the border both ways. The Mexicans come here and take our jobs and now we got the flu from their pigs to boot.

Anyhow, me and my buddy Jim Earl and Joe Bill stopped eating sausage gravy soon as we heard about it. Biscuits is pretty dry without it, but it’s better than coming down with the flu.

Have a good day everybody.

BDAtlanta

April 27th, 2009
7:52 am

Nature’s way of thinning the swelling ranks of humans. At least it’s not Ebola or Marburg.

“Hey, you, get out of my closet! That’s MY pandemic retreat spot”

Brad Steele

April 27th, 2009
7:56 am

Whiner,
Your trolling skills seem to be deteriorating. You’ve moved from your ordinary tedious and arrogant perspective to just uninteresting – not even annoying enough to provoke.

Try more quality less quantity.

what

April 27th, 2009
7:58 am

So airlines are cancelling flights to mexico.
What exactly is our government doing to prevent this being brought here nothing as there are still many illegal immigrants coming across everyday. But I am sure none of them would be caryying the infection right?

Tighten up the border. Save some lives.
Or are political points still worth more than human life? Guess we will see.

jt

April 27th, 2009
8:01 am

“That’s something else you don’t like to see: comparisons to 1918-19 Spanish flu. ”
The real comparison should be 1976.

DB, Gwinnettian

April 27th, 2009
8:01 am

Try more quality less quantity.

I was hoping for some dot-connection between Janet Napolitano, the flu, and that January DHS report on right wing extremism.

Copyleft

April 27th, 2009
8:03 am

I realize it’s a linguistic quibble, but the reason you seldom see the words “global pandemic” together is because a pandemic IS global.

An epidemic is a widespread disease; when it goes global, it becomes a pandemic.

ESR

April 27th, 2009
8:05 am

This is only the beginning. Soom we’ll have all sorts of nasty diseases pop up. Things we thought we eradicated decades ago. Welcome to the new world, cough…cough.

Taxpayer

April 27th, 2009
8:06 am

what

April 27th, 2009
8:08 am

Copyleft,
Does that make this an epidemic or is it a pandemic?

Have only heard of cases reported in central and N. America. Europe and Asia are not having any effects to my knowledge, I could be wrong though.

So again is this just an epidemic, and Jay is trying to scare people?
Or is this actually a global issuse with cases not being contained to the N. Americas?

I Report/ You Whine

April 27th, 2009
8:08 am

I was hoping for some dot-connection between Janet Napolitano, the flu, and that January DHS report on right wing extremism.

DeadBeat, Gwinnettian- Won’t all you socialists be surprised when you figure out that your dear leaders don’t care who they kill, be it community organizers or Evangelicals, just as long as they get a bunch of us.

They see you as a threat to the planet and the state just the same as Karl Rove is.

Funniest thing I read about that lately, won’t the college campus shills of marxism be surprised when they get to shuck corn at gunpoint.

Hey, at least we’ll have something to laugh about.

jt

April 27th, 2009
8:10 am

Couldn’t the 17th Amendment be decribed as a swine or Pig type constitutional virus?

jt

April 27th, 2009
8:15 am

Don’t do the TAMIFLU vaccine.

what

April 27th, 2009
8:17 am

Copyleft,

Sorry I was mistaken, actually jumped the gun.

Just read were there were confirmed cases in spain.

Pandemic it is.

Taxpayer

April 27th, 2009
8:27 am

Less than two weeks after raising the prospect of seceding from the union, Texas Gov. Rick Perry is calling on the federal government to come to his state’s aid in the midst of the swine flu outbreak

Now, we can’t just be dropping everything and running off to help these seceded states every time they have a little problem. These things cost money, you know, taxpayer dollars.

ESR

April 27th, 2009
8:30 am

Avoid paint vans with multiple ladders and do not accept free tacos from anyone.

what

April 27th, 2009
8:30 am

Taxpayer,
One could argue had the federal government done a proper job of securing our NATIONAL border, then possibly Texas would not be in such an at risk state.

jt

April 27th, 2009
8:35 am

I meant the BROWN Tamiflu.

Taxpayer

April 27th, 2009
8:38 am

what! One could argue that water is dry or that stars are the results of little holes torn in the fabric of the space-time continuum thus allowing the light at the end of the tunnel to permeate our universe. Hopefully, you do realize that even your argument would have required funding for this federal government, whether it be the current one or a new one formed by the union of the southern states.

what

April 27th, 2009
8:38 am

Mrs. Godzilla,
I think the idea of Mr. Obey is one that should be considered.
However that type of inclusion is what many had a problem with. I think that is an interest that should be looked at much more closely and would even agree that Mr. Obey portion should be added and passed to another bill, maybe at a lower price tag.

See it was coined a stimulus bill. I do not think that the reasearch and POSSIBLE development of a new drug would put that many of the out of work back to work.

Valuable program just not in my opinion what should be included in a stimulous bill. That is how the politicians decided to call this bill to ensure more support.

If they wanted to include things like this in the bill they should have been more HONEST with everyone and explained that the bill was NOT a bill to stimulate the economy. The politicians should have said it is a bill we thin will help the economy but it has alot of other things that are good for America in it as well.

The politicians chose tho lie and say the only effort for the bill was economic recovery and stimulous.

Studying pandemics does not stimulate the economy that much.

Midori

April 27th, 2009
8:45 am

George W Bush would have never let this happen.

yeah, he would have AT LEAST bombed Bolivia by now, and tortured some pigs to make them “squeal”.

Paul

April 27th, 2009
8:45 am

G’Morning, Mrs. Godzilla

I believe Rove and others objected to Obey’s nearly billion-dollar insertion not because it was for pandemic-related issues but because it was in the emergency stimulus bill, not in the regularly-appropriated budget.

If Obey has ‘long championed’ increased funding and he hasn’t been able to get it through in the two years Democrats have held Congress, that just illustrates Democrats, including Spkr Pelosi, haven’t had much interest it it. No Republican blocking necessary – Democrats didn’t care. That’s why it wasn’t funded before the stimulus bill.

Homeland Security’s handling this? Why Homeland Security? Oh, that’s right… over three months in and the Obama administration still doesn’t have a head of Health and Human Services. So the administration has to punt to another department to take over. Pretty sad.

Taxpayer 8:06

If any funds – any – are restored for any Defense programs cut or ended by the Obama Administration it will be because Democrats in Congress pushed it though – regardless of the party of the person who initially pushed it.

It’s an amazing example, though. DoD and the AF generals don’t want more. Lockheed announced a week or two they were dropping all lobbying efforts to get more F-22s. But here come the local Congressmen to the ‘rescue’!

The Defense budget does not exist as a welfare program for middle America.

what

April 27th, 2009
8:46 am

taxpayer,
Never said that it would not require tax money. Maybe I did but don’t think it is in my post.

One could also argue that you are incapable of laying any blame at the current administration, possibly because of extreame outrage over what you feel you suffered through the last 8. I think any who would argue that point would have a much greater chance of proving their argument over any either of us have mentioned so far.

I do see that you chose to argue things that can be proven scientifically to not be true. You know this as do I. My notion that this could have been curbed by proper boarder security cannot be proved to be scientifically correct or incorrect at the current time.

I do appreciate you for showing that you are unable to debate over an issue as your opinion obviously must be unchallengable.

So I am to assume that you do not feel that secruing our boarders would help against this pandemic?

And am I also to assume that you feel monitoring the boarders much more closely would not help prevent the spread of this disease.

Why do you want our fellow citizens to suffer?

what

April 27th, 2009
8:48 am

Or send drones to KILL innocents?

But that is OK?

To kill innocent bystanders and all.

Both were wrong for those acts sorry.

jt

April 27th, 2009
8:51 am

Paul-
Perfect reply to Godzilla. The Defense of Marraige Act works the same way. Divide and conquer. Worked for thousands of years.

jt

April 27th, 2009
8:56 am

Is it Homeland Security or Homeland Stupidity?

Taxpayer

April 27th, 2009
9:06 am

whatever, what. I made my argument quite clear — it takes money to do such things as deal with outbreaks. You countered with “if the fed had done its job” and I parried with, in short, “the fed cannot do its job without money.” After that, I lost you. And, what’s this assumption about stopping a pandemic by securing the borders. For one thing, you would have to stop all legal travel from everywhere and then hope that the flu is incapable of originating within our borders. And that’s just for openers. In short, how do you propose securing the borders against a virus.

DB, Gwinnettian

April 27th, 2009
9:10 am

the Obama administration still doesn’t have a head of Health and Human Services.

Golly gosh, why don’t we have an HHS head in place yet?

oldmac

April 27th, 2009
9:10 am

I just read that our own AJC is #2 (but trying harder) in readership losses (down a whopping 19%), if we all start keeling over from this latest “crisis,” can that be good for readership? Obie probably is getting his guys together to see how they can turn a flu outbreak into socialized medicine for the under-achievers. What the heck is next?
LK

Mrs. Godzilla

April 27th, 2009
9:12 am

From the Nation piece I posted earler:

“”Obey and other advocates for the spending argued, correctly, that a pandemic hitting in the midst of an economic downturn could turn a recession into something far worse — with workers ordered to remain in their homes, workplaces shuttered to avoid the spread of disease, transportation systems grinding to a halt and demand for emergency services and public health interventions skyrocketing. Indeed, they suggested, pandemic preparation was essential to any responsible plan for renewing the U.S. economy.”"

Some folks can think beyond the present day……

I Report/ You Whine

April 27th, 2009
9:17 am

Audit Bureau: Steep Circulation Losses at Newspapers [except WALL STREET JOURNAL]…

bwa

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003966608

The Urinal is the winner in lost circ but, yes I know, they did cut their delivery areas.

Mrs. Godzilla

April 27th, 2009
9:20 am

More on pandemics and the economy….

here:
TOPWRAP 3-Swine flu outbreak dampens economy hopes, markets
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/reuters/2009/04/27/2009-04-27T101335Z_01_LR146961_RTRIDST_0_FINANCIAL-TOPWRAP-3-PIX-TV-GRAPHIC.html

mm

April 27th, 2009
9:21 am

Wow, they named a disease after whiner.

Paul

April 27th, 2009
9:23 am

DB, Gwinnettian

Gov Sebelius was not the first choice. The first choice withdrew. The second choice had tax problems (delay). Then another problem when her report to the Senate Finance Committee showed she reported only a third of the donations she’d received from a notorious late-term abortion doctor.

She’ll get confirmed. But it’s still sloppy work on the part of the administration that does the vetting, as well as the nominees themselves.

Mrs. Godzilla

I think that excerpt was repeated by nearly every Obey defense piece. Again, if it was so probable, why did Democratic leadership not support it for the years Obey was championing it?

The bulk of that money will be spent between 2009-2011. So, if the argument was it was necessary to prevent the recession from turning into something ‘far worse,’ doesn’t it make sense Obey would’ve directed the money be spent within months?

Unless he thinks the recession will continue at its current levels into 2011?

Taxpayer

April 27th, 2009
9:24 am

Paul,

I know that Saxby, like any politician, is just trying to score points with his constituency. That doesn’t mean that we cannot have some fun with it. Let’s see, he is willing to fight to save 2000 jobs tied to production of a very expensive plane that we don’t need and he was committed to pushing through spending hundreds of billions of dollars for the benefit of big agri-business and he’s all for Bush’s version of a financial bailout and he’s a Republican, a right wing family values small government Christian war-mongering Republican. Does that about sum him up or did I leave something important out. Oh, wait a minute. He was the GOP’s last line of defense against those big spenders in the Senate. Riiiiiight.

Taxpayer

April 27th, 2009
9:27 am

mm,

the whine flu? sounds nasty.

Mrs. Godzilla

April 27th, 2009
9:27 am

Paul

Did the Democratic leadership oppose it? Please cite.

Oh, and by the way, I underatdn it was added into the budget….

BDAtlanta

April 27th, 2009
9:27 am

Hehehe. This is on topic.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/30549

Really good family game. It’s cooperative so all the players are playing against the game trying to stop the outbreaks.

Road Scholar

April 27th, 2009
9:33 am

While I agree that any major legislation should stand alone for approval/rejection, it is always interesting the denial the right have for a need in disater planning or response. No we don’t want to pay for anything until the right is affected (or in this case infected). No FEMA until their oceanside or riverside home is inundated, no healthcare until their is a personal need, no bailout until the rich are affected.

Planning and mangement are not strengths of the right. Look at Perdue’s transportation, water, and healthcare accomplishments, or lack thereof. Heck all the state tax breaks granted to the wealthy and businesses in the recent legislative session were not even vetted to see what the impact would be! But they had the thought to rescind the state property tax reduction assistance; was that because it helped so many, esp in the middle and lower class?

Bosch

April 27th, 2009
9:35 am

This kind of thing really irritates me – people getting hysterical over a disease where there are only 20 confirmed cases in the U.S.

Is this really worth getting hysterical over? It’s a type of influenza A – which yes, it’s really awful, but there was a pretty bad outbreak of influenza A here already back in the winter. I know people who had it. They of course, thought they were going to die for a couple of days, but guess what? They went to the doctor and they are okay!

SARS? Bird Flu? Both were compared to the Spanish influenza of 1918-19 – but that’s the thing – the reason that outbreak was sooooo bad, was, hello!!! It was 1918!! This is 2009! Medicine has come a long way in the past 90 years.

Road Scholar

April 27th, 2009
9:36 am

Oh No! The Whine flu… a pointless disease that just won’t go away!

Paul

April 27th, 2009
9:38 am

Taxpayer

[[That doesn’t mean that we cannot have some fun with it. ]]

Amen!

I think that’s the whole point, isn’t it? ‘cept the parties call it something else and act like it’s only their opponents who do it.

Which makes it funnier still!

But you point out very well, for him as well as others, how they’ll fight so valiantly for something so expensive that benefits a few, yet fight so valiantly against something less expensive that benefits so many.

Mrs. Godzilla

It’s more the death of apathy. Dem leadership and rank and file didn’t have to fight against the funding Obey’s been championing for years – all they had to do was not support it. If they had, it would have been funded the first year or two. It wasn’t.

And really, this strikes me as a good example of “let’s wait for a crisis, then let’s go through the pork-laden emergency stimulus bill and see if we can find something, anything, that we can point to and say “See? See? We knew this would happen and we put money up for it so we look like prophets (wait, can’t use that word, too evangelical) or that we’re prescient!”

I’m curious… when Rep Obey put these hundreds of millions in the stim bill, did he say “hey, we need to do this because we’re gonna have a pandemic in the next few months and if we don’t spend this money it’ll be really, really bad”?

Bosch

April 27th, 2009
9:43 am

“Prescient” – good one.

Reality Check

April 27th, 2009
9:43 am

Here’s another copy/paste article for you. AJC continues to be near the top of this prestigious list.

Top 25 Papers by Daily Circ, in New FAS-FAX

By E&P Staff

Published: April 27, 2009 8:20 AM ET

NEW YORK Here are the top 25 daily newspapers ranked by circulation for the six months ending March 2009, according to ABC. The percent change compares daily circulation for the same period ending in March 2008. Please note daily averages are Monday-through-Friday.

See our separate main story on overall circ results, here.

USA TODAY — 2,113,725 – (-7.46%)
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL — 2,082,189 — 0.61%
THE NEW YORK TIMES — 1,039,031 — (-3.55%)
LOS ANGELES TIMES — 723,181 — (-6.55%)
THE WASHINGTON POST — 665,383 — (-1.16%)

DAILY NEWS (NEW YORK) — 602,857 — (-14.26%)
NEW YORK POST — 558,140 — (-20.55%)
CHICAGO TRIBUNE — 501,202 — (-7.47%)
HOUSTON CHRONICLE — 425,138 — (-13.96%)
THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC — 389,701 — (-5.72%)

THE DENVER POST (02/28/2009 to 03/31/2009) — 371,728 — N/A
NEWSDAY — 368,194 — (-3.01%)
THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS — 331,907 — (-9.88%)
STAR-TRIBUNE, MINNEAPOLIS — 320,076 — (-0.71%)
CHICAGO SUN-TIMES — 312,141 — (-0.04%)

SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE — 312,118 — (-15.72%)
THE BOSTON GLOBE — 302,638 — (-13.68%)
THE PLAIN DEALER, CLEVELAND — 291,630 — (-11.70%)
DETROIT FREE PRESS — 290,730 — (-5.90%)
THE PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER — 288,298 — (-13.72%)

THE STAR-LEDGER, NEWARK, N.J. — 287,082 — (-16.82%)
ST. PETERSBURG (FLA.) TIMES — 283,093 — (-10.42%)
THE OREGONIAN, PORTLAND — 268,512 — (-11.76%)
THE ATLANTA JOURNAL CONSTITUTION — 261,828 — (-19.91%)
SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE — 261,253 — (-9.53%)

Bosch

April 27th, 2009
9:44 am

Is being “prescient” a good thing or bad thing?

Taxpayer

April 27th, 2009
9:44 am

Well, it may not be time to start torching villages but the best defense against an epidemic, of any magnitude, is a good offense. We need to kill the little buggers. Attack. You see, even non-right-wing-fringe types, such as myself, can be in favor of outright war, even pre-emptive action, as long as it is against mankind’s true enemies.

Mrs. Godzilla

April 27th, 2009
9:45 am

Paul, Paul, Paul,

sigh.

So they realy didn’t oppose it…..

GOP is gone

April 27th, 2009
9:45 am

What the he11 is a “boarders”?

DB, Gwinnettian

April 27th, 2009
9:45 am

For the record, Sebelius’ name was placed the first week of March. The GOP “leadership” have dicked around with the HHS confirmation for a month now.

Although curiously, FoxNews has seen fit not to mention this, choosing instead to play up the “golf” angle. Responsible as always, FNC.

DB, Gwinnettian

April 27th, 2009
9:46 am

Winger marching orders–PUSH ZE CIRCULATION STORY! SCHNELL, SCHNELL!

Mrs. Godzilla

April 27th, 2009
9:47 am

Oh and Paul

doesn’t

“Obey and other advocates for the spending argued, correctly, that a pandemic hitting in the midst of an economic downturn could turn a recession into something far worse”

satify your curiosity?

Paul

April 27th, 2009
9:50 am

Bosch

I’d seen you’d just posted so I got out my word calendar.

‘Tis a good thing. But a lot of the people who’d be embarrassed if you’re correct will paint you as a nutjob.

Reality Check

I think circulation numbers might have something to do with the population base served. Large metropolitan areas = greater circulation.

But they’re losing subscribers and money. Reasons abound. I think it’s a combination of reasons. The Right points a lot to ‘liberal ideology.” Didn’t I read here the AJC editorial board said they’re going to do more of presenting both sides of an argument or state a position and give a rebuttal argument?

I Report/ You Whine

April 27th, 2009
9:52 am

There will be no prosecution, for if there were it would surely come out under oath that most of the members of the two Congressional intelligence committeess were fully briefed in 2002 and 2003 on these techniques and gave either active or tacit approval. There was not a word of dissent at that time, making them potential accessories after the fact. Not even amnesiac Speaker Nancy Pelosi could escape the spotlight’s glare.-AmSpec

bwa

GOP is gone

April 27th, 2009
9:54 am

“I’m not dead yet, I’m feeling much better really”

what

April 27th, 2009
9:55 am

Taxpayer,
Sorry it took so long, had business to deal with.

I never said anything about stopping traffic on the boarders.
Legal traffic is fine, there can be a system to check for infection and symptoms. This could be done easily and efficiently, has been done before by other countries. My complaint was with the illegal immigration traffic, going both ways. I said Border Security never anything about Boarder closure.

The inneffieincy and basic lack of concern to tighten up and securing our boarders has now left us more vulnerable for the spead of Swine flu.

Protecting and securing the boarders is one of the items our taxes should go to, not towards items that only impact or benifit a small population of the citizens who pay in those taxes.

The fence that was to be constructed and fortified would have helped with this. Stationing national guard and other military personel in some of these boarder cities and the military could in essence patrol the non-legal crossing points of the boarder.

This would limit illegal immigration coming and going from America.

That would cost a little bit but spending money does not seem to bother the current adminstarion if they think it will help.

Paul

April 27th, 2009
9:59 am

Mrs. Godzilla

Not really. That’s about the only argument that would have been used to justify the appropriation in the regular budgeting process, and even then a majority of his own party didn’t support it!

Reasons for funding:

IF we don’t fund it an outbreak will be worse.

IF we don’t fund it and an outbreak hits during a downturn, it will be worse.

IF we don’t fund it and an outbreak hits during an expansion, it will slow the expansion.

See, there aren’t many arguments to be made for funding.

The only reason Obey would’ve said ‘a pandemic hitting in the middle of a recession could lead to something worse’ is because they tried to tie EVERYTHING IN THE STIM BILL to the recession!

It was standard operating procedure. Nothing prescient about it. Unless he would have said it BEFORE the recession when he was ‘long championing it.’

Again, taking a coincidence and tying it to an unusual event doesn’t mean it’s anything other than a happy coincidence.

“So they didn’t really oppose it”

Let me try it this way: in politics, you can fight against something. Or you can NOT give it any support. Either way, the RESULT is the same – it doesn’t get passed.

Which is what seems to have happened to Obey and his ‘championing’ for funding before the stim bill.

DB Gwinnettian

I thought Sen Reid could call a vote at any time for nominees? Again, even with the reporting error, I think he has the votes. He should get on with it.

Bosch

April 27th, 2009
10:00 am

Another thing that I don’t understand is why a disease like this is politicized.

AIDS, yes, I understand that – but the flu?

I was watching the news this morning and they were tauting this as “Obama’s first health crisis” — that’s absurd — why is this Obama’s health crisis?

Mrs. Godzilla

April 27th, 2009
10:03 am

Sorry Paul,

They did not oppose it as you stated originally and Obey apparently
cited economic reasons as part of the reason it was needed. No amount of verbal vacillation on your part will change those two things.

Now, have a nice day.

what

April 27th, 2009
10:05 am

Bosch,
Because people freak out.

Pundits on both sides look for these events to happen to chirp about the president.

In their world anything that happens to American Citizens is the fault or responsibility of the seated president regardless of the fact that it may be out of their hands.

Guess it comes with the title, life long pay, and body guards I guess.

what

April 27th, 2009
10:05 am

They didn’t support it either.

RW-(the original)

April 27th, 2009
10:12 am

Who benefits from wild eyed hyping of a “global pandemic?”

A president that wants to ram government health care down our throats? check

“News”papers that are hemorrhaging money? check

We the people? get serious

Off to the forest, later y’all. Let’s hope Midori has saved us all by the time I get back.

Paul

April 27th, 2009
10:14 am

Bosch

[[why is this Obama’s health crisis?]]

Rule of thumb: if it happens on your watch…

The test will be how he handles it. Remember the similar health outbreak (potential) that happened with Pres Bush? Nothing came of it. We can hope for the best.

Mrs. Godzilla

Sorry, Mrs. Godzilla. If Rep Obey had ‘championed’ it for years it would have been funded well before now. It wasn’t. So either he’s being less than candid or he didn’t have the support to get it though. Again, lack of support has the same effect as ‘fighting against.’

And every single item in the stim bill had some argument, no matter how infinitesimal the connection or (non)likelihood of occurrence… had some argument tacked on of “it’s related to the recession.”

Bosch – this is a great answer to your question. It’s not only Reps who will engage in creative storytelling to gain political points.

Taxpayer

April 27th, 2009
10:18 am

Bosch

April 27th, 2009
10:19 am

Paul,

It happened on his watch? What the hell? Why is this being considered such a national crisis? Wash your frakking hands and don’t run around with your fingers in your mouth or up your nose. It’s not that difficult.

People die of the regular old flu every year (I keep typing “flue” instead of “flu”).

Bosch

April 27th, 2009
10:22 am

Paul,

Oh, another thing – when “nothing” came of the bird flu – I don’t remember anyone – from either side – running around yelling “Oh, it’s a miracle, Bush has SAVED us from the horrible bird flu.”

Now, if this happens with Obama – I’ll roll my eyes at them just as I would in the other situation.

jasper

April 27th, 2009
10:23 am

Mrs. G, you’re the one splitting the hair semantic here. Is it not plausible in a Dem controlled congress, that the lack of support is the equivalent of opposition. The real irony here is that this “swine flu” money was the only pork left out of the stimulus package.

Soothsayer

April 27th, 2009
10:23 am

Hey Redneck! I went over to Countryland Golf Course the other day to look for you to say Hello! I remembered you saying that you would be the one with the blue jeans and the John Deere hat on. Well, when I got there EVERYONE had on blue jeans and a John Deere hat. I was so confused I turned around a left disappointed.

Midori

April 27th, 2009
10:23 am

RW,

Why do you spend so much time in the forest?

have you become a werewolf?

Bosch

April 27th, 2009
10:27 am

Midori@ 10:23,

I almost spit cereal all over my nice clean keyboard.

LOL!!! Let’s hope not – how horrible!!!

Paul

April 27th, 2009
10:34 am

Bosch

It’s just my rule of thumb for presidents: If it happens on your watch, you get the credit or blame for it. Just makes it easier and focuses on what the president does, regardless of who dumped it in his lap.

No one hailed Pres Bush for his heroic efforts in saving us from the bird flu? (dang, I just typed ‘flue’). But they might, just might, for Pres Obama?

Time to start practicing rolling your eyes.

Midori

Vampires rule!

Midori

April 27th, 2009
10:34 am

LOL, Boschie –

can’t you just envision him terrorising the busty young virgins?

:lol:

KWUHG

April 27th, 2009
10:37 am

THE CURE: LOVE, PEACE AND TACCO GREASE

Midori

April 27th, 2009
10:38 am

Paul,

and werewolves drool!! :)

Donovan

April 27th, 2009
10:40 am

This guy comments on swine flu “from the New York Times” or “from the Washington Post” rather than what the Islamic terrorists are trying to do to us. Does this give you the impression of where this liberal’s mind is? And to think…we have 4 more years of this type of thinking running the country.

deegee

April 27th, 2009
11:04 am

It didn’t take long for the xenophobes to start screaming about the fence. “Where’s the Fence?!?!?!” In order to avoid swine flu infection you would have to build a dome over the U.S. The illness has been spread by people that have either traveled to Mexico or have been in contact with someone that has traveled to Mexico. Considering that this particular strain of the flu attacks and rapidly debilitates the respiratory system, I doubt that an infected person would survive a week in the desert. Those of you that want to blame illegal immigrants for everything from dandruff to static cling may now return to kneeling prostate at the shrine of Lou Dobbs.

TnGelding

April 27th, 2009
11:06 am

I Report/ You Whine

April 27th, 2009
7:32 am

Bush/Cheney probably released it as they slinked out of town. Returning soon to a court house near you.

Bosch

April 27th, 2009
11:07 am

Midori @ 10:34 –

Um, no, I don’t want to think about that. :-)

Paul,

This isn’t a crisis – therefore – it’s a little presumptuous to say this “happened” on his watch. It’s the flu! (Yes, I just typed “flue” again as well.)

Bosch

April 27th, 2009
11:08 am

deegee,

“the shrine of Lou Dobbs”

I don’t even want to think about that dark and dreary place. EWWW.

Mort Merkel

April 27th, 2009
11:09 am

Well, it’s good to know that while this is percolating, in Georgia health departments are closed for Confederate Memorial Day. Priceless.

Dusty

April 27th, 2009
11:11 am

Well, …the pandemic is now a poltical tool, much more than a disease. There seems to be little worry about the prognosis here but big time political generation about stimulus bill inclusions,sick nick names, who to blame, immigration,presidential poop,newspapers and even a bit of anti-war excuses from Taxpayer( I’ll fight it if it endangers my family.)

I am inclined to agree with bosch here. Wash your hands. Take care of yourself and your family and quit worrying. If you are coughing, call the doctor. He does not have a vaccine so forget that.

Relax. folks. If it will make you feel any better, should the sometimes fatal swine flu miss you, something else will find you eventually. There! Always willing to help.

pat

April 27th, 2009
11:12 am

It’s a republican plot, because they think it’s funny to see people die.

Mort Merkel

April 27th, 2009
11:13 am

Your best post ever, Dusty.

Paul

April 27th, 2009
11:21 am

deegee

[[Those of you that want to blame illegal immigrants for everything from dandruff to static cling may now return to kneeling prostate at the shrine of Lou Dobbs.]]

Can I lay prostRate instead of kneeling prostate?

This isn’t that kind of a blog…

:-)

Dusty

I second what Mort said.

[[If it will make you feel any better, should the sometimes fatal swine flu miss you, something else will find you eventually. ]]

I read a novel some years back – Maya or Aztec or one of those period pieces. Main character had health problems. Went to the village elder and asked what he could do to prolong his life. Village elder said “I knew a man like you. He went to the highest mountain peaks where he could breathe the air closest to the heavens. He drank the water that came from the pure mountain snow. He ate the food he picked from trees that hadn’t been touched by anyone else.” The character asked “what happened to him?” The village elder said “like everyone else, he died.”

So there you have it -

get real

April 27th, 2009
11:22 am

This is Obama’s crises same as Katrina and Rita were Bush’s hurricanes.

Taxpayer

April 27th, 2009
11:24 am

I think Dusty has contracted the dreaded whine flu.

Bosch

April 27th, 2009
11:29 am

get real,

No, it’s really absurd to compare this to Katrina and Rita – or do you want us to say that the 20 people who have it – well, they were just too damn lazy and stupid to NOT KNOW how to get it? And it’s Michael Bloomberg’s fault and the Gov. of NY’s fault (can’t remember his name), and why didn’t all the people who got the flu just leave – and they are all on welfare, so how dare they get sick.

:roll:

danjonglee

April 27th, 2009
11:35 am

Bush’s fault……

DB, Gwinnettian

April 27th, 2009
11:39 am

KWUHG @ 10.37, that doesn’t sound like any Cure lps I’ve ever heard. Sure about the title?

I Report/ You Whine

April 27th, 2009
11:52 am

dee gee gurgles-I doubt that an infected person would survive a week in the desert.

Obozo wants a world without borders, dullard.

The dregs will be free to come and go, same as all of their pathologies will.

Slumdog Millionaire, coming to your neighborhood soon, for real.

eewwwww

RW-(the original)

April 27th, 2009
11:54 am

can’t you just envision him terrorising (sic) the busty young virgins?

Midori,

I know you don’t believe it but I didn’t start seeing Shelly and Kelly until after the breakup.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The blame for this spread can be traced right to the previous entry in this blog. How irresponsible was it to tell everyone to get out and mingle in the face of the “pandemic?”

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Now I’m off to London to join my other werewolf buds.

Hat tip: Warren Zevon, God rest his soul.

Later!

Bosch

April 27th, 2009
11:57 am

DB,

I think it’s the guy from FoodTV network who said that – Guy Fieri.

Peter

April 27th, 2009
11:58 am

HA HA HA…That’s correct……… George would never .SURE HA HA HA……

I Report/ You Whine

April 27th, 2009
7:32 am

George W Bush would have never let this happen.

Way to go Obozo.

Now tell us about the Spinach, and Peanut butter scares ? Tell us about how eating our own produced food has killed folks……!

You mean George would have attacked Mexico by now !

getalife

April 27th, 2009
12:00 pm

Now Texas wants the fed help and the gop stripped funding for this out of the stimulus.

Nothing good is coming from the gop.

Obambi's TelePrompter

April 27th, 2009
12:00 pm

‘AP – President Barack Obama said Monday the threat of spreading swine flu infections is matter of concern but “not a cause for alarm.”‘

So take off those masks.

Breathe deeply.

Be sure to lick your fingers and rub your nose.

Get away to the Mexican Coast for that vacation you’ve been putting off!

Drink the water!

Come together as one with the locals, give them a big, juicy kiss on the lips to show them we are no longer beholden to the failed policies of the Bush Administration.

Yes we can!

Allah Akbar!

Mike

April 27th, 2009
12:04 pm

“George W Bush would have never let this happen.”

LOL. Silliest comment I have seen on this blog in a long time. And that says a lot.

Obambi's TelePrompter

April 27th, 2009
12:07 pm

“In addition to John – sorry, the – I just noticed I jumped the gun here,” Obozo said, pausing for several seconds as he looked at the prompter. “Go ahead. Move it up. I had already introduced all you guys.”

I’m hurrying already, dammit, you tard!