The faux outrage over Homeland Security report
“WASHINGTON (AP) — Republicans on Wednesday said a Homeland Security Department intelligence assessment unfairly characterizes military veterans as right-wing extremists.
House Republican leader John Boehner described the report as offensive and called on the agency to apologize to veterans.
The agency’s intelligence assessment, sent to law enforcement officials last week, warns that right-wing extremists could use the bad state of the U.S. economy and the election of the country’s first black president to recruit members.
The assessment also said that returning military veterans who have difficulties assimilating back into their home communities could be susceptible to extremist recruiters or might engage in lone acts of violence.
“To characterize men and women returning home after defending our country as potential terrorists is offensive and unacceptable,” said Boehner, R-Ohio.
The commander of the veterans group the American Legion, David Rehbein, wrote to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano expressing concern with the assessment, which made its way into the mainstream press after conservative bloggers got wind of the analysis.
Rehbein called the assessment incomplete and said it lacked statistical evidence. He said the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing by military veteran Timothy McVeigh, cited in the report, was one instance of a veteran becoming a domestic terrorist.
“To continue to use McVeigh as an example of the stereotypical ‘disgruntled military veteran’ is as unfair as using Osama bin Laden as the sole example of Islam,” Rehbein said in the April 13 letter.”
It’s easy to see the political opportunity in such a report (text here), and Republicans are trying their best to milk it for all it’s worth. The Obama administration has responded by pointing out that Homeland Security also put out a briefing on left-wing extremism, and that the reports were compiled by career personnel. That hasn’t seemed to slow the feeding frenzy, in part because the report is being cast as some sort of attack on our military.
But then there’s this, from a July 2008 report by the FBI.
“A review of FBI white supremacist extremist cases from October 2001 to May 2003 identified 203 individuals with confirmed or claimed military service in the extremist movement….” The report notes that represents a very tiny percentage of the almost 24 million U.S. veterans, but it also states that “the prestige which the movement bestows upon members with military experience grants them the potential for influence beyond their numbers.”
It also notes with a high confidence of accuracy that “military experience is found throughout the supremacist extremist movement as the result of recruitment campaigns by extremist groups and self-recruitment by veterans sympathetic to white supremacist causes.”
“FBI reporting indicates extremist leaders have historically favored recruiting active and and former military personnel for their knowledge of firearms, explosives, and tactical skills and their access to intelligence in preparation for an anticipated war against the federal government, Jews and people of color. FBI cases also document instances of active duty personnel having volunteered their professional resources to white supremacist causes.”
At one meeting of the National Alliance supremacist group, the FBI cites “reliable sensitive source reporting” that 10 percent of those attending were active duty military and another 15 percent had recently left active duty. The founder of the group had stressed recruitment of military personnel.
The FBI also cites “sensitive and reliable source reporting” that the National Socialist Movement, a neo-Nazi group, “received a number of queries from active-duty Army and Marine personnel stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan expressing interest in joining the organization or inquiring about chapters located near domestic US bases.”
There’s more. Go read it yourself. The report is titled “White Supremacist Recruitment of Military Personnel since 9/11.” (h/t AMERICAblog)
Now, that report was issued in July ‘08. It drew little or no attention, even though it said much the same thing as the Homeland Security assessment now drawing such attention. It did not become a focus of great outrage. Why? Maybe because it wasn’t necessary at the time to whip people into feeling persecuted by their government.
But you tell me.
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Corporal
April 16th, 2009
5:00 pm
Jay:
Because this one lumped in those who believe in the sanctity of unborn children, those who believe the Federal government has too much power and has violated the spirit if not the language of the 10th Amendment and those who believe tax rates are too high.
I worked for DHS and spent a career invesitgating violent individuals and groups but this went too far and even the Director apologized for some of the absurd language. Plus your Democrat chairman of the committee that oversees DHS was livid. Have you talked with him? I guess not.
Corporal
April 16th, 2009
5:02 pm
P.S.
…. and one more degree for the “Frog in the Kettle”.
“Plunk your magic twanger Froggie!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYZazW9Ja1k
Corporal
April 16th, 2009
5:04 pm
“The top House Democrat overseeing the Department of Homeland Security is demanding that officials there explain how and why they wrote and released a controversial report identfying veterans as potential terrorist threats.
Rep. Bennie G. Thompson of Mississippi, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said in a letter to DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano that he was “dumbfounded” such a report would be issued.
“This report appears to raise significant issues involving the privacy and civil liberties of many Americans including war veterans,” Mr. Thompson said in the letter sent Tuesday.”
El Jefe
April 16th, 2009
5:06 pm
We see again the lefties slamming the military volunteers and in their defense, they say phhh – no big deal. It’s faux outrage.
As a former Marine, son of a Marine and father of a Marine, I was incensed, insulted and yes angry.
It appears that if I am pro-life, pro 2nd Amendment, pro limited Federal Government (as it is written in our Constitution), in favor of repealing the 16th and 17th Amendment(look it up mid-town) – I am an extremist.
Well, here I am.
Come and get me.
Molōn labe!
Long Live the Republic.
Legalize the Constitution.
Live free
Think For yourself
Foil the plans of the tyrants.
Taxpayer
April 16th, 2009
5:08 pm
So, Boehner is calling for the fed to apologize to potential terrorists. Is he nuts! No need to answer that given that alternative budget that he presented.
Corporal
April 16th, 2009
5:10 pm
El Jefe:
Ooo Rah!
India 3/4
Vietnam (1967-68)
caz1158
April 16th, 2009
5:17 pm
Jay-Even Mr Napolitano said “bad choice of words” were used in memo,in regards to veterans returning home. He said that this a.m. in an interview on FOX. Was asked,with the above being said did he sign off on memo before it was sent forward? He would’nt answer. I got the distinct feeling he knew exactly what he was doing when signing off on memo! And yes I know Napolitano is female,but man what a husky voice.
Paul
April 16th, 2009
5:19 pm
If this report was prepared by career personnel – well, the Extremism and Radicalization Branch obviously didn’t get the most talented analysts. There were so many “might, may, possibly, could” references as to become meaningless. Supporting ‘evidence’ was largely anecdotal or years out of date.
The earlier report dealing with left-wing was not much better. So, left or right, the ‘analysis’ appears so general and so obvious (people with military skills who are unemployed and negatively affected by the economy may be attractive recruitment targets for extremist groups) as to be nonactionable. More of a ‘huh, yeah, that’s a good point, thanks a lot’ item for a local police force.
I think there’s a larger issue here – the Obama Administration should be raising red flags among civil libertarians, but it’s not.
“The senior Democrat of the House committee with oversight of the department said the most recent report raises privacy and civil liberty issues. “This report appears to have blurred the line between violent belief, which is constitutionally protected, and violent action, which is not,” Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., wrote in a letter to Napolitano.
Thompson issued a report in 2005 urging the department to do more to counter the activities of right- wing extremists. But the report did not mention the military or veterans.”
So Republicans make political hay and Democrats are outraged. Predictable. All the while we have a huge bureaucracy churning out “no kidding” reports that could give some well meaning but ignorant law enforcement personnel the impetus to hassle speech rather than action. Nice.
I wonder – did Homeland Security issue any reports stating Muslims living here, originally (or their parents) from the ME or Africa might be targeted for recruitment, enticed out of the country and provided training by AQ or other terrorist groups? Or possibly even white Muslim converts who would go to Africa and produce recruitment videos?
That which has occurred is more likely than that which has not. A rather self evidently dumb statement that would be right at home in a Homeland Security threat assessment.
I Report/ You Whine
April 16th, 2009
5:23 pm
It also notes with a high confidence of accuracy that “military experience is found throughout the supremacist extremist movement as the result of recruitment campaigns by extremist groups and self-recruitment by veterans sympathetic to white supremacist causes.”
The democrat party is ate up with homosexuals, are you gay too, Bookman?
Diseased I know.
#1- The white supremacy movement is overblown by the left, seen any rallies lately?
#2- The report cites NO EXAMPLES OTHER THAN TIMOTHY MCVEIGH. Junk journalism 101.
#3- The “left wing” advisory cites several groups, all have a history of burning down houses, automobiles, buildings, rioting, general idiocy.
Care to name one “white supremist” incident, hmmmmm?
Hating on our soldiers as the Pinkos yearn to do.
sick
Hillbilly Deluxe
April 16th, 2009
5:25 pm
You could just as easily say “left-wing extremists could use the bad state of the U.S. economy to recruit members”. Whomever came up with this report shows a lack of political polish. Why waste your political capital creating division when there is no need to?
I Report/ You Whine
April 16th, 2009
5:26 pm
Gee, I wonder why homeland fatgirl dogface is apologizing, hmmmm?
N-GA
April 16th, 2009
5:29 pm
It would seem that some of our veterans are very sensitive. Others don’t like being exposed for what they are. As a veteran (1968-75), and the son of a career military man, I understand what the report is saying and am not at all bothered. I’m more concerned about the lunatics running around with assault weapons and no brains….
BTW, for those who are whining about paying too much tax, remember that in 1959, for every dollar earned over $200,000, $.91 went to the IRS. That was during the Eisenhower administration. To see how fortunate we are today, go to http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/151.html to look at the federal tax rates going all the way back to the year that the feds started taxing personal income.
The largest increases in taxes over 50 years: state income tax, sales tax, property tax, fuel tax, and “sin” taxes (liquor and cigarettes).
The problem is less about taxes and more about spending!
I Report/ You Whine
April 16th, 2009
5:30 pm
I don’t understand, what is the need for Bookman to endorse this travesty? Is political embarrassment to high of a price to pay for such a toady? Would we rather gin up some hate and divisiveness instead of looking like bozos?
At the very least I would have ignored this, he wants to shove down the throats of our brave soldiers, unreal.
What a good little lapdoggie you are, bookman.
I Report/ You Whine
April 16th, 2009
5:32 pm
I’m more concerned about the lunatics running around with assault weapons and no brains….
You mean like in the hood, where the hands down largest number of murders are committed?
Or are you just worried about your little gated community?
Paul
April 16th, 2009
5:34 pm
Hi N-GA
Been gone a while, first post and here you are.
I’d offer a mod of your comment “I’m more concerned about lunatics with assault rifles and no brains who’ve never been in the military”
One more reason for maintaining an all-volunteer force, I suppose. You get people who want to serve and be part of a professional group, not people who do not want to serve, who resent being drafted and who can’t wait two years for their discharge so they can have payback.
I feel another Homeland Security report coming on…
I Report/ You Whine
April 16th, 2009
5:34 pm
democrats don’t have to worry about the real threat to American life and property because they got all them stuffed safely into the housing projects, where they cannot get to the exalted elite leadership.
So this leaves the koward democrats free to attack our troops.
diseased
N-GA
April 16th, 2009
5:37 pm
“You mean like in the hood, where the hands down largest number of murders are committed?”
I mean like the guy in Pittsburg who killed three police officers…but I guess you don’t support the police. The Chiefs of Police of almost every major US city support a ban on assault weapons. You gotta wonder.
Corporal
April 16th, 2009
5:40 pm
Paul:
You know that a report mentioning Muslims is an absolute “no-no” as it would be politically incorrect and would bring down the wrath of American Muslim organizations (many fronting for the very things you mentioned). But that’s another story ……….
The counterpart to this issue is a DHS report released under a Republican Administration advising law enforcement to keep an eye on:
1) Women who believe they have the right to kill their unborn child …
2) Individuals who believe they have a right to entitlements …
3) Individuals who believe in global warming/are upset about polar bears …
4) Hispanic/African American veterans who may be recruited by gangs …
We both know the outrage that would bring – especially from Jay.
I Report/ You Whine
April 16th, 2009
5:40 pm
Finally, after all these decades, bookman has something new to lay at the feet of the James Byrd liberal strawman memorial.
Even if they had to conjure it up from thin air, it works for him.
Paul
April 16th, 2009
5:40 pm
N-GA
[[The problem is less about taxes and more about spending!]]
A week or so back, after the Administration cancelled some big-ticket Defense programs, I asked “can anyone suggest a program or combination of programs on the nondefense side that could be cut or drastically altered to yield similar savings?”
It was like pulling teeth. One or two engaged, but substantial savings were difficult to propose.
I found it more surprising that it took a long, long time before anyone offered up one of the top items on Pres Obama’s ‘to do’ list: Social Security/Medicare reform.
You do have a point – it is about the spending.
Corporal
April 16th, 2009
5:42 pm
And Jay is from a military family. He should know better.
Paul
April 16th, 2009
5:42 pm
Corporal
I think some people live to be outraged.
N-GA
April 16th, 2009
5:44 pm
Good afternoon, Paul. My first post in weeks…
I was careful not to attribute lunacy specifically to democrats or republicans, liberals or conservatives, blacks or whites or latinos. I’d prefer each reader have their own opinions on that.
The topic of an all-volunteer military requires a lot of discussion. Personally I don’t think we can afford a “standing” military large enough for any/all conflicts. IMO, we do need a core volunteer military supported by citizen solders available for the draft (so that we try to expose all socio-economic levels to service). It works for Israel.
I Report/ You Whine
April 16th, 2009
5:44 pm
I mean like the guy in Pittsburg who killed three police officers
Same week-
(CNN) — At least three police officers in Oakland, California, were shot and killed Saturday afternoon after a man pulled over for a routine traffic stop opened fire and then battled SWAT officers at a nearby building, police said.
Where’s the high alert from Homeland security dogface?
Huh?
Pokey
April 16th, 2009
5:44 pm
Now JB is telling us what should and shouldn’t outrage us. What would we do without him??!!
Paul
April 16th, 2009
5:45 pm
Corporal
I think Jay’s point was that the outrage voiced by some in response to the report was not exactly consonant with what the report said. I thought, as I wrote, the report was pretty general and a typical bureaucratic product.
Maybe being from a military family he’d heard his dad remark more than once that out of a large unit you’ll always find one or two troublemakers and it’s nice to send them back to civilian society so he didn’t have to put up with them, eh?
I Report/ You Whine
April 16th, 2009
5:52 pm
Paul- People that work at Homeland were shocked by it.
They have spoken.
I got a question for you libs, and half libs, when you think of an American soldiers risking his life standing on the line against our enemies, is he there because he 1) loves his country and wants to protect his fellow citizens, 2) he just wants to kill people?
Do tell us.
Paul
April 16th, 2009
5:53 pm
N-GA
Altho in light of the current discussion, I wouldn’t endorse giving military training to all males over 18, then sending them home with an automatic weapon like the Israelis and Swiss do!
I’ve toyed with the idea that maybe having a smaller military force, comprised entirely of professionals, will make political adventurism less likely – if you are resource constrained you have to pick your battles pretty carefully. But if you have enough people to engage on multiple fronts, even when those fronts aren’t exactly critical to your national security….
But maybe we could use that standby force more in concert with Pres Obama’s civilian nationbuilding corps – and restrict them to peacekeeping duties. Heck, we could pull military way back, free up lots of troops and VP Biden can do all the peacekeeping and disaster relief he wants!
You can tell I’m kinda cranky – got back from a trip and my computer’s motherboard was fried. Of course I had double data backups but the installation of all the software on the new computer tries my patience. Even had all my emails backed up but am having a dickens of a time importing the folders I created in my inbox. So this is a nice stress relief.
Cindy
April 16th, 2009
5:54 pm
N-GA. Based on my experience as a spouse to an Army careerist, I would agree with you: I understand. And I can see those who most fit the bill are the most outraged.
Corporal
April 16th, 2009
5:55 pm
Paul:
Sorry, bias is bias. Just about every thread reeks of it
N-GA:
I’m only for a draft if women are included (and right now that would take a reversal of a Supreme Court decision as they have ruled they (women) are a protected class). And guess what? There would be so much outrage that would never happen.
Cindy
April 16th, 2009
5:55 pm
Andy,
It is some of both and some of neither.
Taxpayer
April 16th, 2009
5:56 pm
Well, if we get rid of Social Security, who would the fed borrow from to fund their excessive defense budget. China? Saudi Arabia? Iran? HAHAHAHA
Corporal
April 16th, 2009
5:57 pm
P.S. to Paul and N-GA:
I think you are forgetting that the WWII draft rate was a little over 66% …… that sent a lot of highly trained people home.
Corporal
April 16th, 2009
5:59 pm
Jay:
Have you called that Democrat chairman of the DHS committee yet? Maybe you could do an interview for tomorrow’s AJC?
Paul
April 16th, 2009
6:00 pm
Taxpayer
You have a sick sense of humor, you know that?
Corporal
Well, if we’re ever attacked, conventionally, by one or two major powers I may reconsider.
I Report/ You Whine
April 16th, 2009
6:00 pm
What a great rememberer Ralph Peters is, so the Homeland fatgirl dogface is worried our brave soldiers might turn into William Ayers and Bernadt Dhorn, hahahahaha.
diseased, bookman, diseased
I Report/ You Whine
April 16th, 2009
6:02 pm
Oh yeah, Cindy, they are all just psychotic losers who can’t find a job in the Obozo economy, ten four.
Corporal
April 16th, 2009
6:03 pm
Paul:
All I am saying is that I served with Marine draftees in Nam and you couldn’t tell the difference. In WWII our troops whipped the Germans, Italians and Japanese with a draft rate of 66% (probably much higher for the infantry).
Bottom line: Once trained and if properly led there is no substantial difference between volunteers and draftees.
DawgBite
April 16th, 2009
6:05 pm
Corporal
April 16th, 2009
5:00 pm
Jay:
Because this one lumped in those who believe in the sanctity of unborn children, those who believe the Federal government has too much power and has violated the spirit if not the language of the 10th Amendment and those who believe tax rates are too high.
I worked for DHS and spent a career invesitgating violent individuals and groups but this went too far and even the Director apologized for some of the absurd language. Plus your Democrat chairman of the committee that oversees DHS was livid. Have you talked with him? I guess not.
Yeah, and I’m James Bond. Your nothing but a poser Corp. Now get down and give us 10 snuffy.
Corporal
April 16th, 2009
6:05 pm
Out to get some chow ……….. I’ll set if I can find a returning veteran and buy his dinner to try and make up for this sick DHS report.
Taxpayer
April 16th, 2009
6:05 pm
Truth is stranger than fiction, Paul. It’s not my fault.
Corporal
April 16th, 2009
6:06 pm
DawgBite:
All you have to do my friend is email Jay: jbookman@ajc.com
Paul
April 16th, 2009
6:07 pm
Corporal
That’d be a nice gesture.
But I must say, the Marine who enlisted and the draftees I’ve spoken with who served in Vietnam have a bit different take on the professionalism issue than do those who were in the Army.
But as N-GA said, it’s an ongoing, indepth topic for another day. We’re supposed to be describing the latest bout of outrage.
Paul
April 16th, 2009
6:09 pm
Taxpayer
I know. And my sick, irony-loving mind appreciates your sickly ironic take on things!
Joey
April 16th, 2009
6:13 pm
Jay; You are one who could recognize faux outrage. Your 20-odd-year career at the AJC has you manufacturing outrage in, what, 75% of your columns.
Now that you have the volume requirements of a blog and a Democrat President, you are falling off a bit, but you can still pull it together when you need too.
I am one who is not in a rage about the DHS attack. It is nothing more than I expect of this Administration. More such denigration will be release as they conclude that it might distract someone or as in this case pump us the congregation.
I Report/ You Whine
April 16th, 2009
6:44 pm
In a look ahead to the 2009 and 2010 elections, Govs. Mark Sanford (R-SC) and Haley Barbour (R-MS) hammered the Obama administration for what they described as out-of-control taxing and spending.
SC and Mizzou join the Confederacy, bwa.
Taxpayer
April 16th, 2009
7:03 pm
Well, I suppose that old saying misery loves company can be readily mapped to other phrases such as sickly yearns companionship, irony behests attention, etc., eh, Paul.
saywhat?
April 16th, 2009
7:07 pm
Cindy at 5:54, exactly. The truth hurts.
saywhat?
April 16th, 2009
7:10 pm
IR/YW. MS is the abbreviation for Mississippi. Mizzou is the nickname for University of Missouri, for which the state abbreviation is MO, as in MORON. How fitting.
I Report/ You Whine
April 16th, 2009
7:15 pm
Ole Miss, excuse me.
~~~~~
And check this out, with the goons and dogfaced fatgirls at DHS defining what a “right wing extremist” group is, how many men’s ministries from your local church do you think got thrown on that pile?
And what of you military wives and parents, isn’t it just lovely that the gov has found it necessary to keep an eyeball upon your dearest little radical, what, with him doing crazy s&^% like risking his life for his country and such?
I never seen anything like this in my life, just 3 months into office, these moonbats have lashed out at white people, religion, bankers, automakers, returning war veterans, what’s next, geniuses, you gonna man up against firefighters and bridge clubs?
Duh seased.
Taxpayer
April 16th, 2009
7:15 pm
Oh, come on now. This is not torture. Where’s the water board. Right. Am I right. ewwwww, I hope not.
Taxpayer
April 16th, 2009
7:19 pm
Nope, geniuses are safe. They know these things. That’s why they’re geniuses. And, if one gets hurt, then that one clearly was not a genius. In fact, that’s the genius of it. It’s self-correcting.
I Report/ You Whine
April 16th, 2009
7:21 pm
Homeland Security spokeswoman Amy Kudwa said the report was issued before officials resolved problems raised by the agency’s civil rights division about analysts’ definition of right-wing extremism.
That didn’t stop bookman from running with it.
He got his strawman and to hate on the troops.
ew
I Report/ You Whine
April 16th, 2009
7:24 pm
ok, so if the pinkos are watching our soldiers, who’s watching al Qaeda?
Corporal
April 16th, 2009
7:29 pm
Taxpayer re: your 7:15
I know you may disagree with me and this is hard to say but:
1) Under no circumstances should any U.S. citizen work as a contractor for the U.S. Government or military in ANY capcity that would put your life, your freedom or your economics (civil suit) in danger. You’re a knucklehead if you do because the government will abandon you. I have talked friends out of serving with the former “Blackwater” types.
2) This pains me deeply but based on the insane prosecutions of combat troops just doing their jobs, I can no longer recommend to a family member or friend to serve in the armed forces of the United States in ANY capacity involving “combat arms”. The government/military will hand you out to dry for political expediency. You want to go in the military? Be a cook in the Air Force or a computer programmer in the Coast Guard. Stay out of the infantry, armor or any MOS where you may actually have to kill someone. Let the liberals do it for awhile.
Taxpayer
April 16th, 2009
7:33 pm
Big brother knows all, sees all. How many people know how to “tap” in on a fiber optic cable, for example. hehehehehe. Big brother could be reading what you are typing right now. Big brother might even be watching you pick your nose, right…NOW…and even recording it for posterity’s sake. Really. Now, how many think that Obama started that ball rolling.
Corporal
April 16th, 2009
7:36 pm
The analysts that write these report are just that – analysts. They don’t work in the “real world”. As a result, they are apt to get carried away with their own importance. The problem is, the Director of DHS read this nine page “comic book” and should have known better than to let it be released without major revisions.
I’m not at liberty to state exactly why but I got into it with an analyst at my former agency about 10 years ago in Washington, D.C. (during an intelligence briefing for field supervisors) over a similar problem.
TW
April 16th, 2009
7:38 pm
Is 7:29 a cut and paste from an al qaeda website? Or just more weak-kneed anti-American drool from the right?
Same thing either way.
Memo to the anti-left:
You failed…and nobody, NOBODY, likes a loser. Do yourselves a favor – ask Webster what ‘credibility’ means…
Taxpayer
April 16th, 2009
7:41 pm
Corporal,
I agree that military prisons should not be operated by non-military personnel. The military should handle that. Further, politicians have no business being involved in the operations of military prisons beyond working with other countries to establish ground rules for all to follow or else. I think there are some people out there with some serious “splainin” to do and things just might not go down too well for some.
N-GA
April 16th, 2009
7:42 pm
Paul,
Perhaps if we could only go back to square one with Social Security. The purpose of this entitlement program is threefold:
- supplement retirement
- help provide for widows/orphans when the “breadwinner” dies
- help provide for disability of the “breadwinner”
If all American workers and their employers sent their wage contributions to the government who then allocated it as follows:
- 60% to SAFE/SECURE investments (not mortgage-backed securities) for retirement benefits
- 20% to the life insurance company to provide for widows & orphans
- 20% for disability insurance
The %’s are simply estimates. Eliminates most of the IRS infrastructure. Banks & insurance companies handle accounting, annuities, fraud, etc. People would not be as concerned about how much they put in because it would all go for them or their heirs.
Thoughts??
N-GA
April 16th, 2009
7:54 pm
Paul,
We’re enjoying a 2000 Grand Vin de Leoville Saint Julien. It’s so fantastic that I think I’m feeling weak in the knees.
I’m sure there are some who won’t resist jumping on that comment. That’s the price I’ll pay for posting here…..
DB, Gwinnettian
April 16th, 2009
7:55 pm
We see again the lefties slamming the military volunteers
No, you’re not. You’re lying. As is everyone indulging in poutrage over this DHS report.
DB, Gwinnettian
April 16th, 2009
8:01 pm
And Whiner lies about DHS “apologizing.” They haven’t.
“And I really do want to stress to the veterans out there watching this today, that report did not, and we do not mean to suggest that veterans as a whole are at risk of becoming violent extremists.”
that’s another saying “f-cking duh. did you read the thing?”
Which, I guarantee, neither Whiner nor Corporal had bothered to do before posting.
DB, Gwinnettian
April 16th, 2009
8:02 pm
…another way of saying…
Kamchak
April 16th, 2009
8:03 pm
N-GA
I find nothing wrong with that. I am saving a 2005 Domaine Hering pinot gris for a special occasion. I am sure I will enjoy it as much as you are yours.
BagBoy
April 16th, 2009
8:03 pm
Jay,
as you well know, earlier homeland security reports warned on specific groups and specific threats. The problem with this Obama Administration report is that it targets people who have specific political views but who are not a danger to security. If Obama is to have a shred of credibility he need to can Janet and say clearly that the US does not consider people who have political views that are different from the liberal wing of the democratic party as security threats.
Jay well knows that this is not faux outrage but this is the article that Kimberly from the DNC told him to print today.
Bud Wiser
April 16th, 2009
8:04 pm
I reported this info this morning as I watched the moron Napolitano uttering her garbage. For those of you that missed it (assuming you Georgia public school educated tools, and the left wing fools) :
Bud Wiser
April 16th, 2009
7:52 am
Janet Napolitano just now admits LIVE in an interview by Fox News that she did not read the DHS report causing the furor about the alleged “right wing extremists”, but that she “was briefed” on it.
Another case of total malfeasance of duty, she should be fired immediately.
Would you sign any contract, like buying a home or a car, or for a job, or your tax returns without first reading it? Would you affix your name to anything of obligation without reading it? Now project yourself (I know this is so very hard for the intellectually challenged left) as a lawmaker or policy maker for a Department in the government, where what you affix your name to that could affect millions of lives…..do you not think you might just want to read it first?
Perhaps not, if:
a. You are a moron like Napolitano, and the herds of miscreants and idiots in Washington, the same idiots we all elected, from both parties.
b. You are so supremely arrogant that you will ‘explain’ to the moronic public what you really meant to say.
c. You do not care, see B. above, because you are important now, and they are not.
d. All of the above.
Another dope with chains in Washington, an official that, in her own opinion, is just too damned smart for the rest of us to be able to understand…..just do what we say or you will find yourself in jail.
I guess Jay had to wait until he recieved his instructions from DailyKos or whoever on how to ‘rearrange’ the interpretation of what was said, you know, the rewriting of history, even if it is only a few hours old.
Yawn.
DB, Gwinnettian
April 16th, 2009
8:06 pm
“The problem with this Obama Administration report is that it targets people who have specific political views ”
No, it doesn’t. You’re lying.
BDAtlanta
April 16th, 2009
8:09 pm
Oh my, I will try to refrain from answering the call on this one.
Hey, we rented Season 1 and 2 of Welcome Back Kotter from Netflix. This stuff brings back some good memories.
“Up your nose with a rubber hose!”
“In your socks with a pound of Lox”
“Horshack, it stands for “The cattle are dead”"
Did you guys know Gabe Kaplan is a champion class poker player? He played in his first vegas showdown in 1979 and he is still at it with the Texas Hold-Em stuff of late.
Those of you who still aren’t comfortable with stereotypes should stay away from this program, this is when it began to be cool to make fun of ourselves.
Remember Epstein? the Jewish Puerto Rican? Mwuahahahaha
Learn to laugh, everyone. That’s what this election proved. We’ve made leaps and bounds in our own lifetime to where we are today. Let’s celebrate by making fun of ourselves and everyone else who takes themselves a bit too serious at times.
DB, Gwinnettian
April 16th, 2009
8:10 pm
Here is what these freaks are griping about, emphasis mine:
“Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.”
Midori
April 16th, 2009
8:12 pm
DB,
I too, am a veteran, and I don’t have a problem whatsoever with the report.
I’m more concerned about the looney racists who were at those teabagging rallies yesterday.
I Report/ You Whine
April 16th, 2009
8:12 pm
that’s another saying “f-cking duh. did you read the thing?”
Ignorant, mumbling, vulgar freak-
She also said: ~~~~~~~~~~~”I apologize~~~~~~~~~~~~~ for that offense. It was certainly not intended.”
KMA, moonbat!
DB, Gwinnettian
April 16th, 2009
8:13 pm
And here is the business about the returning vets that has these hypersensitive nutballs’ collective panties in a twist. In its entirety. (and yes, I’ve quoted this alread in another thread, and Corporal and Whiner chose to ignore it, because the truth hurts).
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Disgruntled Military Veterans
(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the capabilities of extremists—including lone wolves or small terrorist cells—to carry out violence. The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.
— (U) After Operation Desert Shield/Storm in 1990-1991, some returning military veterans—including Timothy McVeigh—joined or associated with rightwing extremist groups.
— (U) A prominent civil rights organization reported in 2006 that “large numbers of potentially violent neo-Nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists are now learning the art of warfare in the [U.S.] armed forces.”
— (U//LES) The FBI noted in a 2008 report on the white supremacist movement that some returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have joined extremist groups.
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That’s it. That’s what they’re crying about.
Does anyone seriously have a problem with this?
md
April 16th, 2009
8:14 pm
The report is sooooo bogus. We are in a recession. 95% of the population is under stress. We should all be mentioned in the report.
DB, Gwinnettian
April 16th, 2009
8:14 pm
Whiner, I’d think that even you are not so thick so’s not to realize that an “I apologize if I offended” is another way of saying KMA.
But I won’t tell you to KMA. I’ll tell you to GFY.
Midori
April 16th, 2009
8:15 pm
N GA is such a classy guy
TnGelding
April 16th, 2009
8:16 pm
Veterans are not saints. McVeigh an isolated case? Don’t forget Lee Harvey Oswald and the D.C. sniper.
It’s understandable why some might go over the edge:
http://vetshelpcenter.com/videos/gulf-war-syndrome/beyond-treason.html
http://www.vva.org/Committees/VetsIncarcerated/VeteransIncarceratedWhitePaper.html
Kamchak
April 16th, 2009
8:18 pm
Eric Robert Rudolph is also ex-military.
DB, Gwinnettian
April 16th, 2009
8:20 pm
“It’s understandable why some might go over the edge:”
And it’s hardly anti-vet to care enough about these men (and, presumably, some women) who might wind up being sucked into violent extremist groups.
Gotta run. Later, all.
Chris
April 16th, 2009
8:21 pm
Corporal,
Oddly enough, I find myself in agreement with you today. I served as an Infantryman in the Army, and I have found myself recommending to younger family members that have chosen to serve to avoid combat related MOS, for the exact reason you mention above.
It still bothers me to see our military used as a political tool, but I can’t rebutt your claims in the previous thread about this very subject.
And thanks for the recommendation for “Born Fighting.” I happen to have that book, as well as “Fields of Fire,” “Lost Soldiers,” and “A Sense of Honor” in my personal library. I have a tremendous amount of respect for Senator Webb, and wish there were a few more Democrats like him. He is one of the few that “gets it.”
BDAtlanta
April 16th, 2009
8:21 pm
“I reported this info this morning as I watched the moron Napolitano uttering her garbage.”
Why is she a moron? We on the left usually state our case after much proof has been proferred by the offending party before making such claims….well, except when it’s obvious.
Can you point us to some links that show that she’s a moron? I’d like to see some past decisions before she is labeled as such.
She could be the smartest person in this administration…well other than Tim Geithner and Larry Sumners who have landed really nice jobs even though they were MAJOR players in the whole problem we have now. Obama choosing those guys is like opening the hen house to the rooster. We are foooked. Larry Sumners was one of THE TOP voices behind the revocation of Glass-Steagall. I don’t know where he stood on the Commodities Modernization Act but let’s assume this azzwhipe has already done enough damage to the good ole USA.
We need to get into Big O’s ear on his choice of people here. These guys are gonna cause us more pain.
Anyhoo, we chose the right guy for President…but he deserves to hear us bitchin about these roosters in the hen house!
Bud Wiser
April 16th, 2009
8:21 pm
Bat Face Napolitano doesn’t read what she signs.
Fits well in this “Blazing Saddles” administration. Too bad Cleavon Little couldn’t play Obama in the movie, but Rosie O’Donnell is a shoe in for Bat Face. Toss in Redd Foxx as Holder, and Paul Lynde as that spokesperson geek, and we would have Oscar material.
I’d be LMAO if this were actually funny.
Sick.
Sicker still the faux outrage from the moronic left that still defends this idiot in the WH, and all of his stooges. Of course, you tools haven’t the brains, guts, or integrity to admit when you have a grievous error, because in your small minds you have never made any.
We fall back to Einsteins definition of insanity: ““Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
You morons keep hoping your boy will come through, but alas, he still is ‘Casey at the Bat’, swinging and missing at every pitch.
At least Michelle may come back from Mexico with a pretty stack of blankets to send out as Christmas presents this year. Marty King Jr wanted to go on the trip, but DHS said he may be a security risk.
Mike
April 16th, 2009
8:22 pm
Jay –
Is there any criticisms that conservatives can make that you won’t deem insincere? For a guy who makes his living by complaining, you are certainly intolerant of the notion that any who don’t share your narrow hyper-partisan views make a complaint with being insincere or duped into it.
I Report/ You Whine
April 16th, 2009
8:22 pm
Gee, I wonder where Am~~~~~~~~Vet~~~~~~~~~ is at tonight?
Dontcha know, DHS has clearly defined some of his issues.
Perhaps I have erred in my objections, no?
TUESDAY VANDY GIRL
April 16th, 2009
8:23 pm
Nobody has to whip me into feeling persecuted by our government..I only have to think of the over 150THOUSAND dollars stolen from my family this year by our lovely government.
Napolitano is tone deaf on public mood, because at the height of the bi-partisan anger on the attempted legalization of 1/6th of mexico’s citizens living ILLEGALLY in the USA, she was against troops on the border to turn Juan and Maria around to go back home.
She is right about one thing, though… I do DESPISE our government …the most burdensome and bloated and taxing government in the history of the united states…and that includes both parties
Bud Wiser
April 16th, 2009
8:24 pm
Napolitano is a moron because she affixed her official government signature to an official government document without fully reading what she was signing.
Next question.
Do your own homework in the future as well, and try to think for yourself for once in your life instead of continually digesting this left wing crap-fest.
Mike
April 16th, 2009
8:25 pm
Jay –
Can you post a link to the warning about left-wing types? As I understand it, it was a warning about computer hacking, not terrorism. Is that why you chose not to post it? More cherry picking of facts?
Corporal
April 16th, 2009
8:25 pm
Chris:
10-4 and Semper Fi.
Jay:
Well, well, lookee here ……….
HEADLINE A/P: WASHINGTON – Civil liberties officials at the Homeland Security Department flagged language in a controversial report on right-wing extremists, but the agency issued the report anyway.
Corporal
April 16th, 2009
8:26 pm
P.S. to Chris:
……. and the sad/scary thing is, if people like you and I feel this way …. the future is in doubt.
Chris
April 16th, 2009
8:34 pm
Very sad, and very true…
Corporal
April 16th, 2009
8:34 pm
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Interrogation tactics such as waterboarding, sleep deprivation and slapping did not violate laws against torture when there was no intent to cause severe pain, according to a Bush-era memo on the tactics released Thursday.
All of the CIA techniques were adapted from military “survival evasion resistance escape” training, according to a May 30, 2005, memo from Bradbury to Rizzo.
“Although there are obvious differences between training exercises and actual interrogations, the fact that the United States uses similar techniques on its own troops for training purposes strongly suggests that these techniques are not categorically beyond the pale,” the memo said.
Sounds good to me …….. only I would have put them through U.S. Navy SEAL “hellweek” training. Ask them to talk. If they won’t talk, put them immediately through the next class – keep doing it for years if necessary. It’s up to them.
BDAtlanta
April 16th, 2009
8:43 pm
Bud Wiser, you are still making sheeot up, dude. And I am a moron? You have no idea what she has or has not attended to.
You represent those who think they are important but really have no coherent thoughts. You should call yourself Bud Clueless
jasper
April 16th, 2009
8:47 pm
No one is arguing against the correlation of ex military to extremist groups. Hell what do you expect when you train kids to kill, let them kill, then send them back into the rat race without any brakes.
The real issue here is that another clown in this circus administration stuck their size 20 in their mouth again, and offended the whole honerable military during war time. What an imbecile. It would be like BarryO coming out and and saying he’s trying to move us toward socialism. Not even he’s that stupid.
BDAtlanta
April 16th, 2009
8:47 pm
Tuesday vandy gerl in all caps is upset.
Sorry babe but we will be relieving your family of all those dollars your family stole from the working folks of this country.
You have no new ideas but you take what is not yours. Your time is up. Thanks for that small percentage of your total rape of us that you did not hide from tax dollars. We will use the money wisely.
Bud Wiser
April 16th, 2009
8:47 pm
I heard her words on tv, I do not have to have Jay or any left wing loon interpret it for me, so I am hardly “clueless”.
And, yes, since you asked so nicely I will tell you.
You are a moron.
And now also consider yourself on the ever expanding list of swimmers in the irrelevant pool, to whose posts in the future I will not respond, because you have made yourself IRRELEVANT.
Congratulations!
Corporal
April 16th, 2009
8:52 pm
Jay:
I can sure tell when you have bitten off more than you can chew on a thread. Not many “gray background” posts on this one.
RW-(the original)
April 16th, 2009
8:53 pm
Darnit! I hate it when I miss one of DB’s hissy fits. Talk about faux outrage.
Yankee
April 16th, 2009
8:58 pm
The RepubliCANTS would hitch their wagon to an Adolf Hitler rebirth right now if it meant that it would keep them VIABLE. These REPUBLI-FACIST are basically the the party of “NO IDEAS” and “IMPEDANCE”.
Frederick Douglass
April 16th, 2009
8:59 pm
I’m enjoying a vintage 1971 Ripple, with an exquiste tin of Sardines complemented by Ritz crackers avec government cheese. The constant cacaphony of gunfire in the adjoining “hood” provide a soothing
backdrop to the sterno lit repast the missus and I are availing ourselves of. Who said liberals don’t know how to live?
I Report/ You Whine
April 16th, 2009
9:00 pm
Frederick- But yet you sweat the wingnuts, right?