Georgia Senate threatens dismantling of USA

It wasn’t quite the firing on Fort Sumter that launched the Civil War. But on April 1, your Georgia Senate did threaten by a vote of 43-1 to secede from and even disband the United States.

It was not an April Fool’s joke.

In fact, Senate Resolution 632 did a lot more than merely threaten to end this country. It stated that under the Constitution, the only crimes the federal government could prosecute were treason, piracy and slavery.

“Therefore, all acts of Congress which assume to create, define or punish [other] crimes … are altogether void, and of no force,” the Georgia Senate declared.

In other words, in the infinite, almost unanimous wisdom of the Georgia Senate, Michael Vick is being imprisoned illegally, Bernie Madoff should serve no time for stealing $60 billion and the Unabomber must go free. In fact, the federal penitentiary in Atlanta should be emptied of its inmates.

But wait, there’s more.

The resolution goes on to endorse the theory that states have the right to abridge constitutional freedoms of religion, press and speech. According to the resolution, it is up to the states to decide “how far the licentiousness of speech and of the press may be abridged.”

The resolution even endorses “nullification,” the legal concept that states have the power to “nullify” or ignore federal laws that they believe exceed the powers granted under the Constitution. That concept has a particularly nasty legacy. It helped precipitate the Civil War, and in the 1950s and early ’60s it was cited by Southern states claiming the right to ignore Supreme Court rulings ordering the end of segregation.

Finally, the resolution states that if Congress, the president or federal courts take any action that exceeds their constitutional powers, the Constitution is rendered null and void and the United States of America is officially disbanded. As an example, the resolution specifically states that if the federal government enacts “prohibitions of type or quantity of arms or ammunition,” the country is disbanded.

In other words, if Congress votes to restore the ban on sale of assault rifles, the United States is deemed to no longer exist.

This, your Georgia state Senate voted 43-1 to endorse.

Now, to be fair, the resolution passed because it was snuck unnoticed onto the Senate resolution calendar on the 39th day of the 40-day legislative session, when senators were trying to handle dozens of bills and scores of amendments. Most did not have an opportunity to read the six-page resolution, which in its description claimed to merely affirm “states’ rights based on Jeffersonian principles.”

However, those who introduced and sponsored the measure have no such excuse. Presumably they read and understood what they asked their fellow senators to endorse. And those sponsors include some of the most prominent members of the Senate —- Senate Majority Leader Chip Rogers of Woodstock, Senate President Pro Tem Tommie Williams, Transportation Committee Chairman Jeff Mullis of Chickamauga, and Chief Deputy Whip John Wiles of Cobb County, among others.

The resolution they sponsored is part of a radical right-wing national movement —- a similar resolution was introduced in the Georgia House but not voted on. It has been introduced in legislatures all over the nation, and has passed in both chambers in Oklahoma and one in South Dakota.

And while the Georgia resolution is legally meaningless and was passed without debate or even knowledge of most senators, it has had an impact. It has been hailed by, among others, those fighting the conspiracy to create a single North American country, by the Confederate States Militia, by the John Birch Society, and the League of the South, which still pines for the cause of an “independent South” and believes that “Southern society is radically different from the society impressed upon it by an alien occupier.”

You have to question the judgment of those who would have any truck whatsoever with such nonsense, and who would jeopardize the reputation of the Georgia Senate to lend aid and comfort to such radical causes and fringe groups.

405 comments Add your comment

DB, Gwinnettian

April 16th, 2009
7:08 am

However, those who introduced and sponsored the measure have no such excuse.

Nor do those who vote for these extremists.

gttim

April 16th, 2009
7:10 am

Funny how this is similar to legislation used during the civil right’s era by bigots trying to defy Supreme Court rulings ordering the end of segregation, and it is is being used by the same people who support the Teabaggers. I was looking at the 28 photos the AJC has on its website of the Teabagger’s protest downtoen at the capital. What a wide range of causes on their signs! Seems like the vast right wing of fruitcakes is heavily represented. I did notice one thing, however. Out of 28 photos, there does not appear to be an African American. Hmmm. Eight years of Bush spending our kids inheritance, and the vast right wing chooses not to say anything. Put an African American in the White House and suddenly all hell breaks loose with them!

I Report/ You Whine

April 16th, 2009
7:12 am

You are the ones that called us the “enemy.”

And “enemies” we shall be.

With our own country.

bwa

Bud Wiser

April 16th, 2009
7:17 am

Now, to be fair, the resolution passed because it was snuck unnoticed onto the Senate resolution calendar on the 39th day of the 40-day legislative session, when senators were trying to handle dozens of bills and scores of amendments.

Sounds very familiar, hmmmmm, where could I have heard that statement before???

Hmmmmm, could it be similar to the economic disaster bill that Obozo pushed through recently? The same bill that congress-people actually had the nerve (or the stupidity) to go on television and say that they hadn’t time to read it all? Similar to this almost daily assault on the American taxpayers from Washington, the “excuse-du-jour” from these idiots that the sycophants all fall back to, because they are too stupid to realize that they are being raped by the federal government as well?

Yes, I believe it is one and the same.

Dopes with chains

Taxpayer

April 16th, 2009
7:22 am

Which begs many questions in my little ole Southern mind, including but not limited to,

1. Where was Cagle and his 12-person staff during the session. Shouldn’t he know what is put up for a vote.

2. Is Perdue supportive of this bill or will he even publicly take a stand.

Accidental or overlooked or whatever, it is public knowledge and it deserves to be addressed by our “leaders” in public. They are either for it or against it. There is NO in between. Let them make their stand and be counted or else they are all a pack of cowards. I, for one, am against such trash and trash talk, just in case it is not already obvious.

At least, that is how I feel about it.

Eric

April 16th, 2009
7:33 am

Though some of the measures cited here imply a “turning back of the clock,” in a broader sense, what I see happening is a healthy corrective to an increasing centralized federal control over our lives. One thing left of the list–which I find curious–is the Real ID (anyone remember this issue two years ago?).

ByteMe

April 16th, 2009
7:34 am

Ah, the Georgia Legislature. Every year, they keep trying to raise the bar on “stupid”. Once again, the Senate raised the bar with this bill. Wonder what they’ll do next year to raise the bar further.

Southerndem

April 16th, 2009
7:47 am

I’ve emailed Chip Rogers, who misrepresents me in the State Senate, several times asking him about this. Somehow my email keeps getting trashed. Maybe I’ll show up at one of his town hall meetings. If he’s getting ready to take the state out of the Union his constituents should be informed.

Mrs. Godzilla

April 16th, 2009
7:48 am

Any wonder why folks still laugh at us Georgians?

PS:Andy
Yep, 250,000 teabaggers! Wahoo!
Now watch them split what’s left of the GOP right smack down the middle.
The wish for a third party may come true, and it ain’t gonna’ help the right.

Jay

April 16th, 2009
7:50 am

Whiner, you’re spamming the thread. Cease, please.

jt

April 16th, 2009
7:50 am

This is a positive first step for our state although, the corruptocrats in Washington will merely laugh. The next step is to put some “financial teeth” into the legislature, like Colorado attemped to a few years back. Why does Georgia’s tax money have to filter through Washington?

Jerry Gonzalez

April 16th, 2009
7:51 am

It should not come as a surprise since Georgia Senate Majority Leader Chip Rogers (R-Woodstock) also defends his association with a hate group with white nationalist ties and also defends the actions of the vigilante group, the Minutemen.

Bud Wiser

April 16th, 2009
7:52 am

Janet Napolitano just now admits LIVE in an interview by Fox News that she did not read the DHS report causing the furor about the alleged “right wing extremists”, but that she “was briefed” on it.

Another case of total malfeasance of duty, she should be fired immediately.

Would you sign any contract, like buying a home or a car, or for a job, or your tax returns without first reading it? Would you affix your name to anything of obligation without reading it? Now project yourself (I know this is so very hard for the intellectually challenged left) as a lawmaker or policy maker for a Department in the government, where what you affix your name to that could affect millions of lives…..do you not think you might just want to read it first?

Perhaps not, if:

a. You are a moron like Napolitano, and the herds of miscreants and idiots in Washington, the same idiots we all elected, from both parties.

b. You are so supremely arrogant that you will ‘explain’ to the moronic public what you really meant to say.

c. You do not care, see B. above, because you are important now, and they are not.

d. All of the above.

Another dope with chains in Washington, an official that, in her own opinion, is just too damned smart for the rest of us to be able to understand…..just do what we say or you will find yourself in jail.

Taxpayer

April 16th, 2009
7:53 am

By the way, I would just like to go on record as saying that I think that the GOP is doing an excellent job with getting their message to the people. It is perfect. Don’t change a thing. Really. Honest. Well, I still have not seen much effort on emphasizing the GOP philosophy of no rules and no regulations and no oversight. Perhaps, the GOP could stand to improve their message just a little bit.

Joey

April 16th, 2009
7:53 am

It is amazing Jay. You always get a list of names and political party when you can use it to criticize Republicans. But never, never, can acquire a list when Democrats are being silly. And you forgive the Democrats who voted for this because: They did not have time to read the text. Not the first time you have been so forgiving of Democrats.

Well except for the time that someone through Senator Dodd under the bus and you kicked him a couple of times, clearly thinking he would not be able to get back up.

TW

April 16th, 2009
7:55 am

C’mon, Jay, republican world is alot more fun if you don’t…think?

You libs and your ‘thinkin”…and your ‘research’…and your ‘education’…

Bud Wiser

April 16th, 2009
7:55 am

Oh, and I see that Jay does not want anyone to see the ACTUAL results and attendances at the hundreds of Tea Parties all across the nation.

Nope, no manipulation of the truth here.

Just SEE AJC, READ AJC, BELIEVE AJC, it is all the news that is fit to print, and that we allow you to see.

Way to go slumming in the same gutter as the NY Times and Boston Globe, Jay.

Mrs. Godzilla

April 16th, 2009
7:59 am

Taxpayer

You are right on!

GOP, Republicans, Teabaggers(snicker), Conservatives, et al:

PLEASE STAY THE COURSE! Please, Please, Please!

jt

April 16th, 2009
8:00 am

It is strange how liberals world wide cheered for the country of Georgia’s independence from an intrusive, centralized, dysfunctional goverment.(from the USSR).
What’s the diff here?

I Report/ You Whine

April 16th, 2009
8:00 am

Jay- I had already stopped, I have a potent sixth sense.

I’m just curious, when there are ten thousand other comments from one or two people lying about the crowd sizes from yesterday, why does this not count as “spam” too?

Joe Matarotz

April 16th, 2009
8:01 am

You also have to question the abject failure of the media to report this stuff factually and in a timely manner. Just because it’s written in this column causes me to question the truthfulness of Jay’s statements, and I really don’t have the time to go out and review the proceedings of the Legislature. I will certainly forget about it long before the next election, and probably before summer vacation. But I will be voting against the incumbent anyway, because they are not entitled to a free ride for life. If more people took that tack, we would start to weed out the knuckleheads and maybe start to elect decent representatives again.

jt

April 16th, 2009
8:03 am

Jay- Did you ever opine about the independence of the Country of Georgia? The USSR one?

DB, Gwinnettian

April 16th, 2009
8:04 am

Scanned the SR 632 bill. I was a little disappointed that there were no mentions of 3/5 of a person.

DB, Gwinnettian

April 16th, 2009
8:06 am

What’s really neat-o is this definition of what can be null-andi-voidy:

any Act by the Congress of the United States, Executive Order of the President of the United States of America or Judicial Order by the Judicatories of the United States of America which assumes a power not delegated to the government of the United States of America by the Constitution for the United States of America and which serves to diminish the liberty of the any of the several States or their citizens

Or, put short–whatever Rush is whining about today.

Taxpayer

April 16th, 2009
8:23 am

Ten thousand other comments! Wow! Jay, you are quite the popular one. Also, I noticed that the GOPeer’s teabagging event even made the “front page” of the dotcom version of AJC. That’s not the least bit uppity of the AJC. In fact, it speaks to a mighty white crowd.

fearless fosdick

April 16th, 2009
8:24 am

JT .. I don’t remember a lot of cheering going on!!! But if you insist, I’ll help you out of your dilemma.

Fact is JT you did pretty well defining the reason right in your own sentence.

“It is strange how liberals world wide cheered for the country of Georgia’s independence from an intrusive, centralized, dysfunctional goverment.(from the USSR). What’s the diff here?”

See that little word COUNTRY…Well JT there you go, questioned answered!

Highlander

April 16th, 2009
8:29 am

Connecting the dots: Those who doubt the rise of right-wing extremism in this country need look no further than the Georgia Senate and SR 632.

And a special note to jt re “independence from an intrusive, centralized, dysfunctional government”: Not a bad thought. Kind of sums up the way I feel about the State of Georgia’s current state government.

I Report/ You Whine

April 16th, 2009
8:32 am

Anybody else remember Quinn Hilyer, the AmSpec columnist blessed enough to have had his own Jay Bookman blog some time ago, sharing his disdain for Sarah Palin with us, well, he’s changed his mind!

Let’s cut through all of Barack Obama’s baloney. His speech on the economy at Georgetown University on Tuesday was a testament to the massive ego of a callow leader with grandiose pretensions bordering on megalomania. Everything he outlined in his vision for a near-Utopian economic future is designed to come about through the intervention of a government central planner — his own Oneself — combined with the coercive force of government to make it happen. It’s a promise of economic growth at the point of a gun, at least tacit if not explicit — and all as if some genius in the Oval Office or elsewhere in Washington has the wherewithal to know exactly how and where to “invest” and to “regulate” and to “stimulate” and to “reform” (the latter meaning, in most cases, to have government either take over something or else kill something it currently considers politically incorrect).

Bark, bark!

DB, Gwinnettian

April 16th, 2009
8:37 am

Quinn Hilyer

I didn’t think a conservo-blogger could have a funnier name than “Hindrocket,” but I think we might have a winner.

jt

April 16th, 2009
8:43 am

Fearless- The USSR stood for United Socialist STATES Russia. It was not considered a country until independence. I repeat, what’s the diff?

Taxpayer

April 16th, 2009
8:45 am

A megalomaniac illegally usurping the power of a nation and using its force against another sovereign nation. Hmmmm! Well, the self-anointed one, George Bush comes to mind. Then, there’s his behind the scenes master, Dick.

jt

April 16th, 2009
8:46 am

Highlander- You complain about an “intrusive” state goverment. I might agree. Why do you want TWO “intrusive” goverments.? Unless you feel as if our fed is perfect.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

April 16th, 2009
8:46 am

Jay, let’s have a thread on the DHS report. Thanks.

DB, Gwinnettian

April 16th, 2009
8:48 am

The USSR stood for United Socialist STATES Russia.

Actually it didn’t–the Soviets were kind of adamant about getting top billing on these matters–but, whatever.

Hey, if youse guys want to talk Teabagger Crowd Estimates, there’s an intimate get-together over at Instaputz on the topic.

Gotta run myself. Later, all.

Mrs. Godzilla

April 16th, 2009
8:48 am

Actually it was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and it was communist (see Bolshevics)

ByteMe

April 16th, 2009
8:48 am

jt: USSR = Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

At least get the basics right.

Taxpayer

April 16th, 2009
8:51 am

Does anyone have a link to a copy of the Constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics for jt to review and find the “differences” that he/she is interested in.

jt

April 16th, 2009
8:52 am

Busted. I stand to be corrected. sorry. I was just checking ya’ll. and anyway, the liberals cheered their independence. I still don’t see much of a difference.

Corporal

April 16th, 2009
8:53 am

Jay:

This is what happens when the 10th Amendment is historically “ignored” by the Supreme Court under the prostitution of the “commerce clause” and the federal government becomes increasingly intrusive in people’s lives. First Texas and now Georgia. There is something bigger afoot here and we had better sit up and take notice …….. probably not in our lifetimes but this is a road that puts this Republic in trouble if the federal government is not soon returned to what it should be.

Right now I am for “altering” as it states right here …..

“That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to ALTER (emphasis added) or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.”

Time will tell how others who come after us act ………..

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

April 16th, 2009
8:53 am

DB, Gwinnettian 8:37 am

The namee is not “Hindrocket”, rather it is Hinderaker.

Go to this link and you will see the resume of one who is far more accomplished and experienced than President Ob-amateur. Coincidentally, John is a fellow “Wearer of the Green” – a Dartmouth graduate.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/aboutus.php

fearless fosdick

April 16th, 2009
8:54 am

JT…That’s right JT, “STOOD FOR,” what’s left of it is now called RUSSIA!

Georgia has been a country and independent of Russia since 1991.

Georgia is a state in the United States (a country)

Do you understand the difference now?

jt

April 16th, 2009
8:55 am

Taxpayer- I don’t know if you are being sarcastic, but the USSR DID have a constitution and it was routinely ignored right up until Gorbachev(a great man) had the fortitude to make the politicos adhere to it.

Corporal

April 16th, 2009
8:58 am

Taxpayer:

HEADLINES: Tax returns for President Obama released to the public … Obama releases medical information: “excellent health” …

Which is more intrusive do you think?

1) Personal Tax Returns
2) Personal Medical Information
3) Birth Certificate

cgregister

April 16th, 2009
8:58 am

Lord, I knew they were stupid, I just didn’t realize how stupid they all were. Please save us from this kind of stupidity again. VOTE them all out!

Murphy Dixon

April 16th, 2009
9:02 am

Really? You have nothing better to report on? This was a joke. It has no legal power and causes no repressions whatsoever. Can even the Senate not have a little fun on a(n admittedly childish) holiday? Give me a break. And give me some real news to read.
I honestly thought his article was a counter-joke until I finished. Come on, AJC.

Hillbilly Deluxe

April 16th, 2009
9:05 am

Lawmakers voting on something they haven’t read? Imagine that.

Bosch

April 16th, 2009
9:08 am

Well, this is news – this is what we get with extremists in charge.

Jay,

Have you contacted the governor’s office about this? I’d like to know what he thinks – maybe he wants to be the President of Georgia.

The Voice

April 16th, 2009
9:11 am

Do any of you folks that write on this blog do anything productive or do you all, right and left, just sit around all day trying to impress the others on this blog just how intelligent you all are? From what I see it is just alot of name calling and throwing of insults….to what end? That said….I bid you all farewell because this is surely a waste of time.

Bosch

April 16th, 2009
9:13 am

I saw a sign at the teabagger party in ATL last night:

“We come unarmed………this time”

Yes, I believe now people are really losing it.

Copyleft

April 16th, 2009
9:18 am

Right-wingers are fundamentally not okay with the idea of democracy. They’re 100% certain that their ways are always right, and they go freakin’ INSANE whenever they lose an election.

You’ll hear it every October: “This is the most important election in history! The country’s going down the tubes, and EVERYTHING’s at stake! Panic! Panic!”

They really can’t stand the very existence of people who disagree with their politics… so when they aren’t in charge, they pout and sulk and get violent and threaten to dissolve the country rather than have to compromise. That’s what makes them such dangerous fanatics.

On the Senate resolution: So, are they trying to have it both ways? They want credit for signing on to a lunatic bill of secession, but they also want to be able to claim they “didn’t see it” or “didn’t have time to read it” when it came up for a vote?

Cowards.

jasper

April 16th, 2009
9:23 am

The Voice,

How dare you come in here and insult us retired Republicans and unemployed Liberals. We’re all actually here out of morbid curiosity as to when the AJC will have its power cut off. The figurative part has happened, the literal, any day now. You just stay away.

Corporal

April 16th, 2009
9:25 am

HEADLINE/NEW YORK TIMES: WASHINGTON — The National Security Agency intercepted private e-mail messages and phone calls of Americans in recent months on a scale that went beyond the broad legal limits established by Congress last year, government officials said in recent interviews ….

IS OBAMA VIOLATING OUR RIGHTS ? HE’S AT THE HELM NOW! OH, THE HORROR!

Taxpayer

April 16th, 2009
9:26 am

jt – I could not help myself when you posted that they were a union of states instead of Republics.

Corporal – I have said here before that all public officials should be routinely audited by the IRS and that those results should be made public. I even support making their tax returns public. It comes with the territory and it’s really no more intrusive and/or inappropriate than agencies posting known sex offenders, etc. In fact, it’s appropriate. There are things that should be public and things that should be private and our interpretations may or may not overlap — I don’t know. As for the birth certificate, you say potatoe and I say potato. The is no constitutional requirement for the president to submit a specific “form” as proof of birth. Further, as long as proof that meets the constitutional requirements is presented to we the people then I’m happy with it. I think the Supremes and other judges have consistently made the correct call on that matter and have long since dropped it for the utter idiocy that further discussion of it portends. Finally, medical records, in my mind are the more personal records and can be more readily used by unscrupulous people and corporations to the detriment of we the people with respect to health care, insurance, etc. And, I for one, know, without any doubt or reservation whatsoever, that there are many unscrupulous individuals and corporations out there willing to do anything for money and.or power. Names like Koch and Gingrich are fresh in my mind but there are many others.

TUESDAY VANDY GIRL

April 16th, 2009
9:27 am

You have to question the judgment of those who would have any truck whatsoever with such nonsense as….
a)From each according to their means to each according to their need
b)Affirmative Action
c)nationalized healthcare

Liberals remind me of my 4th grade teacher who always said “If you didn’t bring enough candy for everyone, you can’t have any at all” . Luckily, 4th grade was when my parents came to their senses and put me in private-for profit education. I would tell todays 4th graders “chew it if you have it, and if you don’t have it, work for it, but i won’t punish those who have it,by taking it from them, to make you feel better or not left out”

Swami Dave

April 16th, 2009
9:27 am

So is the problem an expectation that the United States government actually abide by its own Constitution recognizing that its powers are constrained to those listed in its founding document or is it that a growing segment of Americans are tired of collectivists using activist courts to achieve ends that they could never achieve through political means?

Maybe our friends on the left should actually read the Constitution and Bill of Rights (even the parts which they may not like) and, if they want to change it to meet their own redistributionist ends they can follow the Constitutionally-prescribed method for amending it.

….maybe that’s the problem. Having to follow the actual process would mean they would never achieve their historically-failed ends so they do what liberals must always to do to prop their bankrupt theology – lie and misrepresent.

-SD

ty webb

April 16th, 2009
9:29 am

What’s the point of this blog. Jay even says that the resolution is legally meaningless. I guess he only posted this to throw some red meat to his followers. And the usual suspects post their predictable comments calling the other side racist or extremist. Come on guys, as far as state politics is concerned, the republicans won, deal with it. Haven’t we heard that a lot from the other side regarding national politics. Didn’t the President himself say something to that effect.

jasper

April 16th, 2009
9:30 am

Copyleft,

What an excellent quintessential Liberal post. Spouting off venom in 3 paragraphs, but admitting you’re uniformed in the 4th. At least your admission is an example of honesty rarely seen from your ilk. Stand tall today.

Taxpayer

April 16th, 2009
9:38 am

Vandy girl,

I thought you would have been on your way to Switzerland by now.

Taxpayer

April 16th, 2009
9:41 am

And, I thought that the Civil War was the defining moment regarding the failure of a “cause”. Then again, some losers like to moan about being losers. Don’t worry, Martha White will rise again. I promise.

NRB

April 16th, 2009
9:49 am

I think the libs in Georgia are nervous.

We had the largest turnout of all the tax rallies last night.

This is a conservative state.

Now get the hell out.

williebkind

April 16th, 2009
9:49 am

copy left: You just defined yourself and your progressive liberal party. For instance how about free speech at colleges? If a liberal disagrees they do not allow free speech or throw something. Have you ignored this for a reason?

As for the article, liberals can not afford to lose the federal government. It is their creator, their god, and their reason for existing.

The far left media did very little coverage of the Tea Parties and even some include their own personal agendas. Is this the free press made by my forefathers. I am sure many of you are recent arrivals that you do not know what is really American. But–I am a product of public schools.

Susan Myers

April 16th, 2009
9:50 am

Majority of Georgia Legislature = idiots, plain and simple.

I haven’t read through the posts this morning, so this may have already been brought up, whatever. The main thing about this secede and dismantle mumbo-jumbo is it gets all these right wing lunatics fired up and ready to go. This is dangerous. These nutcases have guns, plenty of them, loaded.

There’s no telling what will happen.

God help us all.

dgroy

April 16th, 2009
9:50 am

Seems like a lot of talk from a lot of people that aren’t saying too much about us right wing extremists. Words are good and we need to keep the rhetoric going but, action speaks louder than words. If you’re just talking, Washington will just tune you out, knowing you’re probably harmless and won’t cause any problems for the ruling elite; however, actions, such a five million man march on Washington from all corners of our great country would, I think, show our leaders that we are sick and tired of the status quo and want meaningful change, not in the future but now, today……and were not leaving until we get promises, in writing, that things will change for the better. I challenge all of our state leaders, Governors, senators, representatives to stand together to lead those who would follow to create a better, stronger America for our children and grandchildren. A message to Barack OBama – Order and have in place a great many Porta Johns

getalife

April 16th, 2009
9:52 am

This is what the DHS is talking about with RW extremists.

The lack of patriotism is sickening.

Get out of our country sore losing teabaggers.

Leave.

Corporal

April 16th, 2009
9:53 am

Taxpayer:

Good thoughts but I only asked which were the “most” intrusive. To me the “birth certificate” is the least intrusive which only adds to the mystery.

And you can help me with this … but I don’t think there is a Constitutional requirement for releasing tax returns or medical records either – at least I didn’t see it in there the last time I checked the Constitution.

So what’s with that?

Corporal

April 16th, 2009
9:53 am

HEADLINE: Napolitano Apologizes for Offending Veterans After DHS Eyes Them for ‘Rightwing Extremism’ …

SHE NEEDS TO GO !

NRB

April 16th, 2009
9:54 am

Susan, we keep buying even more…which is why you’ll hear in the news about ammo shortages and waiting lists for certain firearms.

Best part: you can’t do anything about it but whine and snivel.

I suggest all Democrats move out of Georgia.

Now.

Corporal

April 16th, 2009
9:56 am

Do none of you libs. out there not want to have a “friendly” debate re: my 8:53?

Has our country evolved into something it was never intended to be?

Do we not have the “right” to change it if we so desire?

There is something bigger going on here and we had better sit up, take notice and try to work this out ……….

Bubba

April 16th, 2009
9:56 am

“If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers separation … to a continuance in the union …. I have no hesitation in saying, ‘Let us separate.’”

The man who said this was obviously a conservative wingnut.

SOUTHERN ATL

April 16th, 2009
10:02 am

Jay,
It seems as if TEXAS has the same thing in mind….Most people from the North does not seem to care….Even though this is not legally binding, I would rather have voted on this then to have voted on a CONFEDERATE FLAG??? Why wasn’t it brought up 7 years ago before we sent our GEORGIA troops to fight in the Iraq war? Troops could have been pulled from other states…Check out the article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/15/gov-rick-perry-texas-coul_n_187490.html

pat

April 16th, 2009
10:03 am

Ha! I love it. This tells me America is alive and well. This is what it is all about.
Why is it only democrats are allowed to bring decent?

This is simply apart of the checks and balances that keep this country in check. We don’t want socialism imposed by a central government we do not even want social democracy like Europe. We are the U.S., we thrive when the chip are down. These guys are simply protecting GA from the threat of a bloated, over-bearing federal government. This is a good thing.

Corporal

April 16th, 2009
10:06 am

Bubba:

I assume you know that the New England states were the first to want to secede from the Union (and almost did) because the were on the side of the British during the War of 1812? Instead, some of their state legislatures treasonously voted to send money and food supplies to the British Army in Canada. So which is worse? Peacefully wanted to leave the Union or treason against it?

oldmac

April 16th, 2009
10:07 am

It’s like the ol’ saying goes: If we’d know then what we know now, we’d have picked our own damn cotton.

KM

Armed to the teeth

April 16th, 2009
10:08 am

Enter your comments here

Really?

April 16th, 2009
10:10 am

Bookman, really??? Are you really this stupid??? Or do you just think we are?

I Report/ You Whine

April 16th, 2009
10:11 am

A Short Citizen’s Guide to Kooks, Demagogues, and Right-Wingers On Tax Day-Robert Third Reich, Obozo’s Labor Sec

Oh yeah, that’ll make us go away.

We elected a disease to run this country.

Taxpayer

April 16th, 2009
10:11 am

Corporal,

I thought I covered my thoughts on most intrusive. I just did it in a less than succinct way since you usually go through a procession of posts whereby you ask more and more questions if one starts off with such a short response as “most intrusive” or “least intrusive”. Are you just trying to be contrary.

I don’t recall anyone taking the tax records or medical records issues up to the highest court either, Corporal. For some reason though, some people seem to think that they need to waste our court’s time over the format of the proof of birth document. What gives. Let’s talk about this secession thing. That seems to be a much more serious issue. One that the minority party seems to be fixated on, even. Such sore losers. And, uppity to boot.

All Communist please leave

April 16th, 2009
10:13 am

Finally! This is a conservative state! Did B.O. win Georgia? Thank you Georgia Senate for representing the majority of Georgia voters!

Angry Black Man

April 16th, 2009
10:14 am

This is why I do not affiliate with either major political party. If the reason for the Tea Parties was to warn the federal government of over-reaching their power, where were the protests when the Patriot Acts I or II were inacted? From what I remember then, conservatives were admonishing liberals for not being “American” when the gov’t wanted and got power for warrantless wire taps and things like that. Now that a Dem is in office, it’s pure role reversal.

Working in the field of Immigration, I can attest that none of you want to live anywhere other than the USA. Everyone needs to quit griping about things. If you don’t like the way the gov’t is going, run for office and make the change yourself. This is supposed to be the country that has government of the people, for the people, and by the people.

Any problems you percieve here is nothing compared to living in any other countries. I can deal with paying taxes as long as I have the freedom to move about without limits.

Charles

April 16th, 2009
10:14 am

It is very clear that most of the people adding comments here haven’t read or don’t understand the United States Constitution. What was proposed in SR 632 is right on the money. The founding fathers of this country set up a federal government to work for the states and not one where the states are subservient to the federal government.

Bubba

April 16th, 2009
10:15 am

Actually, Corporal, I did not know that but I knew that secession was not a topic considered by only right-wing “nuts” in our nation’s early years. Madison addressed it, as did Jefferson, whose quote I used.

Taxpayer

April 16th, 2009
10:16 am

Ooooh. NRB has guns and ammo. What are you gonna do, NRB, chase us off at gun point. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Go find yourself a tower to hide in and take pot shots into crowds from.

getalife

April 16th, 2009
10:16 am

So, the same folks that attacked the left’s patriotism during w’s disaster are threatening treason.

Looks like Janet was right about RW extremists.

fearless fosdick

April 16th, 2009
10:17 am

Whiner..Robert Reich is NOT Obama’s secretary of labor! He was the labor secretary under Bill Clinton.
Before you cut and paste perhaps you should read the material…or perhaps more likely you didn’t know!

Corporal

April 16th, 2009
10:20 am

Taxpayer:

I’m just trying to have a polite exchange here. No reason to be rude. My point remains: Medical records and tax records are enormously more intrustive than a simple birth record yet …..

Regarding our country, secession is not on the table now – not even close – but as a people we are headed toward something ugly. It didn’t used to be that way. Seems to me we need to return to what worked well in the past or in the future we could indeed be in trouble.

I am taking the risk of attaching a long editorial (if Jay deletes it I will understand) from the Wall Street Journal. I don’t ask you liberals to agree with this person but I am posting it so you will understand just how far apart we are becoming ……….. and this is not good for the future of our Republic.

Sun 4/12/09 COMMENT IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL (Robert A. Hall)

“I’ll be 63 soon. Except for one semester in college when jobs were scarce and a six-month period when I was between jobs, but job-hunting every day, I’ve worked, hard, since I was 18. Despite some health challenges, I still put in 50-hour weeks, and haven’t called in sick in seven or eight years. I make a good salary, but I didn’t inherit my job or my income, and I worked to get where I am. Given the economy, there’s no retirement in sight, and I’m tired. Very tired. I’m tired of being told I have to “spread the wealth around” to people who don’t have my work ethic. I’m tired of being told the government will take the money I earned, by force if necessary, and give it to people too lazy or stupid to earn it.

I’m tired of being told I have to pay more taxes to “keep people in their homes.” Sure, if they lost their jobs or got sick, I’m willing to help. But if they bought McMansions at three times the price of our paid-off, $250,000 condo, on one-third of my salary, then let the leftwing Congresscritters who passed Fannie and Freddie and the Community Reinvestment Act that created the bubble help them-with their own money. I’m tired of being told how bad America is by leftwing millionaires like Michae l Moore, George Soros and Hollywood types who live in luxury because of the opportunities America offers. In thirty years, if they get their way, the United States will have the religious freedom and women’s rights of Saudi Arabia , the economy of Zimbabwe , the freedom of the press of China , the crime and violence of Mexico , the tolerance for Gay people of Iran , and the freedom of speech of Venezuela .

Won’t multiculturalism be beautiful?

I’m tired of being told Islam is a “Religion of Peace,” when every day I can read dozens of stories of
Muslim men killing their sisters, wives and daughters for their family”honor;” of Muslims rioting over some slight offense; of Muslims murdering Christian and Jews because they aren’t “believers;” of Muslims burning schools for girls; of Muslims stoning teenage rape victims to death for “adultery;” of Muslims mutilating the genitals of little girls; all in the name of Allah, because the Qur’an and Shari’a law tells them to.

I believe “a man should be judged by the content of his character, not by the color of his s kin.” I’m tired of
being told that “race doesn’t matter” in the post-racial world of President Obama, when it’s all that matters in affirmative action jobs, lower college admission and graduation standards for minorities (harming them the most), government contract set-asides, tolerance for the ghetto culture of violence and fatherless children that hurts minorities more than anyone, and in the appointment of US Senators from Illinois.

I think it’s very cool we have a black president and a black child is doing her homework at the desk where Lincoln wrote the emancipation proclamation. I just wish the black president was Condi Rice, or someone who believes more in freedom and the individual and less in an all-knowing government. I’m tired of a news media that thinks Bush’s fundraising and inaugural expenses were obscene, but that think Obama’s, at triple the cost, were wonderful. That thinks Bush exercising daily was a waste of presidential time, but Obama exercising is a great example for the public20to control weight and stress, that picked over every line of Bush’s military records, but never demanded that Kerry release his, that slammed Palin with two years as governor for being too inexperienced for VP, but touted Obama with three years as senator as potentially the best president ever.

Wonder why people are dropping their subscriptions or switching to Fox News? Get a clue. I didn’t vote for Bush in 2000, but the media and Kerry drove me to his camp in 2004.

I’m tired of being told out of “tolerance for other cultures” we must let Saudi Arabia use our oil money to fund mosques and madras sa Islamic schools to preach hate in America , while no American group is allowed to fund a church, synagogue or religious school in Saudi Arabia to teach love and tolerance.

I’m tired of being told I must lower my living standard to fight global warming, which no one is allowed to debate. My wife and I live in a two-bedroom apartment and carpool together five miles to our jobs. We also own a three-bedroom condo where our daughter and granddaughter live.

Our carbon footprint is about 5% of Al Gore’s, and if you’re greener than Gore, you’re green enough. I’m tired of being told drug addicts have a disease, and I must help support, treat and pay for the damage they do. Did a giant germ rush out of a dark alley, grab them and stuff white powder up their noses while they tried to fight it off? I don’t think Gay people choose to be Gay, but I d*** sure think druggies chose to take drugs.

And I’m tired of harassment from cool people treating me like a freak when I tell them I never tried marijuana. I’m tired of illegal aliens being called “undocumented workers,” especially the ones who aren’t working, but are living on welfare or crime. What’s next?=C 2 Calling drug dealers , “Undocumented Pharmacists”?

And, no, I’m not against Hispanics. Most of them are Catholic and it’s been a few hundred years since Catholics wanted to kill me for my religion. I’m willing to fast track for citizenship any Hispanic person who can speak English, doesn’t have a criminal record and who is self-supporting without family on welfare, or who serves honorably for three years in our military. Those are the citizens we need.

I’m tired of latte liberals and journalists, who would never wear the uniform of the Republic themselves, or let their entitlement-handicapped kids near a recruiting station, trashing our military. They and their kids can sit at home, never having to make split-second decisions under life and death circumstances and bad mouth better people then themselves.

Do bad things happen in war? You bet. Do our troops sometimes misbehave? Sure. Does this compare with the atrocities that were the policy of our enemies for the last fifty years-and still are? Not even close. So here’s the deal. I’ll let myself be subjected to all the humiliation and abuse that was heaped on terrorists at Abu Ghraib or Gitmo, and the critics can let themselves be subject to captivity by the Muslims who tortured and beheaded Daniel Pearl in Pakistan , or the Muslims who tortured and murdered Marine Lt. Col.William Higgins in Lebanon, or the Muslims who ran the blood-spattered Al Qaeda torture rooms our troops found in Iraq, or the Muslims who cut off the heads of school girls in Indonesia, because the girls were Christian. Then we’ll compare notes. British and American soldiers are the only troops in history that civilians came to for help and handouts, instead of hiding from in fear. I’m tired of people telling me their party has a corner on virtue and the other party has a corner on corruption.

Read the papers bums are bi-partisan. And I’m tired of people telling me we need bi-partisanship.

I live in Illinois where the “Illinois Combine” of Democrats and Republicans has worked together harmoniously to loot the public for years. And I notice the tax cheats in Obama’s cabinet are bi-partisan as well. I’m tired of hearing wealthy athletes, entertainers and politicians of both parties talking about innocent mistakes, stupid mistakes or youthful mistakes, when we all know they think their only mistake was getting caught. I’m tired of people with a sense of entitlement, rich or poor.

Speaking of poor, I’m tired of hearing people with air-conditioned homes, color TVs and two cars called poor. The majority of Americans di dn’t have that in 1970, but we didn’t know we were “poor.” The poverty pimps have to keep changing the definition of poor to keep the dollars flowing. I’m real tired of people who don’t take responsibility for their lives and actions. I’m tired of hearing them blame the government, or discrimination, or big-whatever for their problems.

Yes, I’m d*** tired. But I’m also glad to be 63. Because, mostly, I’m not going to get to see the world these people are making.

I’m just sorry for my granddaughter..”

Robert A. Hall is a Marine Vietnam veteran who served five terms in the Massachusetts state senate.

MBR

April 16th, 2009
10:21 am

If Texas secedes, then the Senate will have 98 members, which means that only 58 votes are needed for a filibuster-proof majority.

Cool! Get lost, Texas.

Corporal

April 16th, 2009
10:22 am

Bubba:

But which is worse? Secession or treason?

Taxpayer

April 16th, 2009
10:23 am

Corporal! Was I rude! How so?

So

April 16th, 2009
10:25 am

So basically all (except one) voted for this. A non-legally binding vote may I add.

This is nothing more than a voted on political message, and notice it was D and R voting in favor of this.

Obviously they got what they wanted as people like Bookman and others on this blog are freaking out about a political message.

Nothing can come of this and Jay knows that he is just using some of you as pawns to show anger, because he is still mad he got caught in traffic for a cause he disagrees with last night

retiredds

April 16th, 2009
10:25 am

NRB: Last time I checked there is nothing in OUR Constitution that limits where a person can live no matter the skin color, political affiliation, religious preference, etc. Your dictum just demonstrates your complete ignorance of what a democracy is all about.

MBR

April 16th, 2009
10:26 am

NRB,

Big brother is watching you, and you should probably look around and be aware of your surroundings each time you get out from under your rock.

Bubba

April 16th, 2009
10:29 am

Corporal, treason is wors because you are actively aiding an enemy of the United States. Secession is not treason. The new independent state could be best allies with the U.S.

Follow the Money

April 16th, 2009
10:32 am

News says Comrade Obama made 2.7 million last year. Doing what? Did he get paid for stumping for votes? Doesn’t this put him in the dreaded class of the top 1% of wage earners that he shouts about so often….come on guys where did the 2.7 million come from??????????

Tom

April 16th, 2009
10:32 am

“Senate did threaten by a vote of 43-1 to….”

Yep, only one Democrat in the Senate, you friggin’ political hack.

Democratic drones are easy to spot. They are the ones think down the party line and can not think or do for them selves.

Susan Myers

April 16th, 2009
10:32 am

Corporal

April 16th, 2009
10:33 am

Taxpayer:

Not a big deal .. let’s just work hard to show each other respect.

Maybe if you and I can set the example some of the rest will follow.

After all, this is the larger issue right now with our country ………..

Billy

April 16th, 2009
10:35 am

Oh, those fat Georgia rednecks. They have more money than they have ever had in the history of this country. And they have American Idol to watch on the TV. And they still complain.

Corporal

April 16th, 2009
10:37 am

Bubba:

Excellent response.

Also, keep in mind that Jefferson Davis, et al, were never tried for treason because it was feared they would be acquitted. Nothing would have been worse at that time than for the Union to have promulgated and won an horrendous war only to have “secession” validated in a court of law.

So, in spite of enormous pressure from a vindictive Congress, the Attorney General (and two appointed special prosecutors) refused to bring charges and President Davis was released.

Follow the Money

April 16th, 2009
10:37 am

Hey Billy why don’t you say that to their face?????? See how that works out for you.

RW-(the original)

April 16th, 2009
10:38 am

Can we get an updated list of what parts of the Constitution you libs stand behind and which parts you’ve decided are a joke?

Keeping score at home it seems that you’ve put the 2nd and 10th Amendments into the joke category permanently and Article II is only in effect when a Dhimmi is the President. Close?

Bosch,

You did note this was a 43-1 didn’t you? 98% isn’t usually considered a fringe element except by the 2% that really is.

TVG,

Keep up the good work.