Hooray! Score one for persistence … so far

From the NYTimes:

FARGO, N.D. — After a week of piling sand on top of sand on top of sand to hold back the Red River, which has risen to levels never seen before in North Dakota and Minnesota, there was cause for optimism on Saturday. The river, which had been rising last week at a rate of three feet a day, unexpectedly slowed down and even appeared, according to new National Weather Service predictions, to recede.

“For the time being, it has crested in Fargo,” said Patrick Slattery, a National Weather Service spokesman, who warned, however, that all sorts of factors — warmer weather, ice chunks, snow predicted next week — could change the forecast once again.

“It’s still in major flood, and it will be in major flood stage for several days, if not a week,” Mr. Slattery said of the river. “That means the danger is not completely over, but the threat of it getting worse for the time being has slacked off.”

Still, people in Fargo, who have experienced what one resident described as “forecast whiplash” with the changing predictions over several days, seemed encouraged, but also deeply skeptical. They continued their flood vigil, walking one more time over the miles of enormous dikes they have built in a few days, watching the water swell near the tops of them, and hoping their city would be spared. “We remain on high alert,” said Tim Mahoney, the vice mayor. “We’re not going to stop until it truly starts going down. It’s not over.”

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I Report/ You Whine

March 28th, 2009
6:15 pm

I blame “global warming.”

“That means the danger is not completely over, but the threat of it getting worse for the time being has slacked off.”

I wish we could say that about the democrats.

Anybody else notice how people you know who voted for the Dimwit and were quite vocal about it at the time, don’t seem to want to discuss the situation anymore? And that if you bring it up they change the subject real quick?

Everywhere you go, and I ain’t talking about just Cobb County, there is a palpable anger in the air, from businessmen to lay people, and you don’t hear nice talk like on this blog, it’s full blown red face and vulgarity.

And I have yet to hear the target of these “criticisms” be anybody but OneTerm, never an AIG exec, never big oil, nope, they are perfectly aware who is raising the taxes and the price of energy, during a recession no less.

And let me tell you what, it is all music to my ears.

The whole world hates us now.

bwa

Midori

March 28th, 2009
6:19 pm

Thank God those poor people have gotten a break.

I caught some of the flood news and pictures on the news last night.

Scary!!

Oh so scary!!!

G

March 28th, 2009
6:23 pm

Congrats to the North Dakotans and Minnesotans who pulled off this miracle.

G

March 28th, 2009
6:28 pm

Kudos to President Obama and Homeland Security Director Napolitano.

All those sandbags provided for volunteers to fill, the Predator drone patroling the skies in search of weak levees and people in need of rescue, FEMA shelters already in place for the smaller communites like Oxbow that lost to the flood etc. They are there to give the community every chance to succeed.

Waiting 3 days after a disaster when they know it’s coming is the last administration’s way of doing things.

moonbat betty

March 28th, 2009
7:02 pm

Yes, thank god obama was there to save ND.

Too bad he wasn’t there for NO.

Corporal

March 28th, 2009
7:04 pm

To G:

I went to New Orleans to help evacuate those people.

Kudos to the people of Fargo vs. the people of New Orleans.

Midori

March 28th, 2009
7:13 pm

Moonbat Betty and Corporal, sitting in a tree

K-I-S-S-I-N-G

Midori

March 28th, 2009
7:14 pm

G,

Did Obama fly over the scene to observe the destruction from thousands of feet in the air?

Some days afterward?

Wearing his snazzy “O” flying jacket?

Midori

March 28th, 2009
7:19 pm

Corporal,

were you one of the snipers who were shooting people who dared crossed the bridge out of NO?

fearless fosdick

March 28th, 2009
7:37 pm

Corporal..My sincere apologies for assuming that it was the Drudge report.

I don’t know if you read the column entirely, but if you had you would have noticed that the headline is very misleading.

The writer had this to say among others “Despite his immense popularity around the world, Mr. Obama will confront resentment over American-style capitalism and resistance to his economic prescriptions.”

I’ll bet he doesn’t have to sneak in and out of every country he visits like the last sorry excuse for a president we had.

Taxpayer

March 28th, 2009
8:24 pm

It’s amazing how people can develop such strong ties to a piece of land.

BDAtlanta

March 28th, 2009
8:26 pm

Dean Baker has a good article.

WARNING: Conservatives should avoid this as there is probably more truth and honesty here than what you are accustomed too from FatherRush or Fox News.

http://www.truthout.org/032309J

Corporal

March 28th, 2009
8:30 pm

fearless fosdick:

Accepted.

1) Yes, “headlines” are often misleading (if not humorous) on both sides of the political spectrum.

2) Yes, I read what you posted in the article but this is the one I find very odd:

“The president will not even try to overcome NATO’s unwillingness to provide more troops in Afghanistan when he goes on later in the week to meet with the military alliance.”

That seems a little odd? “Not even try?”

3) U.S. Presidents never sneak in and out of any country (sneaking into a military base in Iraq excepted due to security reasons). The logistics involved are just too immense. I’ve been there/done that.

Mrs. Godzilla

March 28th, 2009
8:30 pm

I sure to like to see that word. Hooray! Need to see more of it.

New Orleans is a magnificent city. It’s people are warm, it’s food spectacular, it’s music legendary. It is one of my favorite places in the world.

BDAtlanta

March 28th, 2009
8:31 pm

Hehehe. From the same op/ed piece by Dean Baker:

But, the third line of defense was the best: The elites claimed that the bonus tax and other similar measures would disrupt compensation patterns on Wall Street. Banks receiving TARP money will lose good people to hedge funds and others who are not similarly restricted.

This is the line that sends tens of millions of ordinary people rushing to get their baseball bats. The reason the banks are bankrupt, the reason we have more than 12 million people unemployed, the reason we are facing the worst downturn since the Great Depression is that the banks don’t have “good” people: Masses 3, Elites 0.

I Report/ You Whine

March 28th, 2009
8:38 pm

All the years and years and years of liberals slandering the family of our last president, yep-

An explosive video being shopped to media outlets has plunged the White House and Vice President Joe Biden into a cocaine scandal, RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively.

The video shows a woman, who is represented by the seller and his attorneys to be Biden’s daughter Ashley, snorting several lines of cocaine.

Good luck with it.

Corporal

March 28th, 2009
8:38 pm

Taxpayer:

If your talking about the people of the Fargo area (land) it’s because they worked for it.

This is not a racial thing, it’s a “mindset”.

People in the Fargo area are a community. When they knew this was coming they went to work. Sure they got help but “they” did it. They are used to hard work and not having everything handed to them. They take care of and look out for each other.

New Orleans was on the opposite end of the spectrum (and I was there immediately after it happened helping to evacuate people by air from the airport.) It was almost everyone for themselves. Little community. Expecting the government to do everything – right now! Roving “gangs” preying on the weak.

The contrasts (including compared to disasters that have happened in other communities since) is striking.

Midori

March 28th, 2009
8:39 pm

BD,

Great article at the link.

thanks.

Taxpayer

March 28th, 2009
8:41 pm

I read that the river almost hit the 500-year flood level back in 1997 and now this one is even worse. I wonder if it has anything to do with global climate change or, dare I say it, global warming. It could be. At least, I have not seen anyone prove that it is not.

BDAtlanta

March 28th, 2009
8:41 pm

Ugh. Watching the Kid’s Choice Awards with the 10 year old.

So grateful for laptops and wireless Internet.

Taxpayer

March 28th, 2009
8:52 pm

Corporal,

I was referring to these folks staying on a piece of land that is in a glacial lake bed and that is low-lying land that has a history of flooding and always will. For one thing, the flood insurance alone should make them think twice about re-building there. I know that the land is real good farm land but if I were going to stay there I think that I would invest in pontoons for my house or something. The same goes for the low-lying areas in New Orleans as well as other flood plains in the mid-west.

Corporal

March 28th, 2009
8:54 pm

Taxpayer:

I agree with you 100% on that.

Corporal

March 28th, 2009
8:57 pm

I Report/ You Whine:

I just read that article. I don’t know if it’s true or not (time will tell) but if so it is sad for her and her family.

However, any coverage of this will be miniscule compared to the mainstreaqm liberal press coverage given to the personal lives of the Bush girls, Miss Palin, etc., etc.

The “double standard” will shine forth !

Corporal

March 28th, 2009
9:12 pm

Jay:

If the majority of the American people should ever say “get out of Afghanistan”, what would you advise ?

Analysis: Americans Wary About War in Afghanistan …
Posted: 05:00 PM ET
From CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

I Report/ You Whine

March 28th, 2009
9:16 pm

Aahhh, yes, Corporal, I had totally forgotten about the Palin family, hahahahaha.

We could get vicious with this, if we wanted to, but that is not our nature.

We are all praying that Mr. and Mrs. Biden can overcome this adversity and successfully help their daughter through this time of struggle.

mike

March 28th, 2009
9:23 pm

LOL. I love it. Obama “saved ND”. LOL

How about giving credit to the thousands of North Dakota residents who helped themselves and their neighbors by filling sand bags? How about acknowledging the local government? How about acknowledging that the good fortune of the ND residents to have the river recede?

Giving Obama credit for ND is as laughable as blaming Bush for NO. Nature and the reaction of the local population has far, far more to do with how disasters turn out.

I love how every news story can be twisted into ideological spin by the hyper-partisans on this blog. How silly you people are.

BDAtlanta

March 28th, 2009
9:27 pm

Midori, there are a few other good op/eds at that sight too:

Obamanomics Isn’t About Big Government by: Robert B. Reich, The Wall Street Journal
The president’s focus is on improving human capital
http://www.truthout.org/032809C

Corporal

March 28th, 2009
9:27 pm

Everyone turn all of your house lights on !!

mike

March 28th, 2009
9:29 pm

I Report/ You Whine –

Remember, there were two excuses given for the left’s spotlight on Bristol Palin:

1) She appeared on stage during the campaign. So did Biden’s daughter. In fact, she campaigned independently of her dad.

2) The claim of hypocrisy, as Palin is against abortion rights. Biden has been an outspoken supporter of the war on drugs and is credited with coming up with the term “drug czar” in 1982.

Let’s see if the media even acknowledges the story. Bookman wrote specifically about Bristol. Let’s see if Ashley gets her time in the sun.

Midori

March 28th, 2009
9:35 pm

BD,

Thanks. I’m well acquainted with Truthout.org.

Taxpayer: we should really look to the European levee system: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/27/203156/727/816/190374

Mike: and yet you guys won’t shut up about Reagan “destroying communism”.

Midori

March 28th, 2009
9:36 pm

Mike,

the “left”, right, center, north, south or anyone else didn’t put Bristol Palin in the “spotlight”.

Her mom did.

mike

March 28th, 2009
9:37 pm

Midori –

Super. Joe put his daughter in the spotlight.

Thanks for proving my point.

@@

March 28th, 2009
9:39 pm

Midori

March 28th, 2009
9:40 pm

Mike,

no argument from me.

let the chips fall where they may.

mike

March 28th, 2009
9:41 pm

Midori –

Have no idea what you are talking about with the Reagan crack. When have I ever talked about Reagan?

Oh, I forgot. You lump everyone who disagrees with you into one big stereotype.

mike

March 28th, 2009
9:46 pm

Midori –

“let the chips fall where they may.”

Well, I can tell you how the chips will fall. The mainstream media will ignore the story and Bookman will not write blog posts about it as he did Palin.

Personally, I think the story should be ignored. I am just pointing out the ongoing double standards employed by our hyper-partisan news media.

@@

March 28th, 2009
9:47 pm

It’s important to note that the left’s defense of drug usage far outweighs their defense of the unborn.

An unfortunate circumstance for Joe and his family.

I still like Joe the ol’ blowhard. A lot of truths are revealed in his gaffes.

Taxpayer

March 28th, 2009
10:03 pm

Midori,

The US has not exactly been known for its investment in infrastructure after the 1930s. We are beginning to find out that there is a cost associated with doing the bare minimum or even nothing at all and that cost can easily exceed the cost of doing something aimed at preventing or mitigating some worst-case scenarios. For one thing, designing levees against a 100-year flood criteria is simply not good enough if you intend to allow the space to be occupied by humans.

Jen

March 28th, 2009
10:04 pm

Please don’t bust on my hometown of New Orleans.

You don’t like it there, don’t go. But don’t act like your one time visit, during a time of the cities greatest duress, gives you any real knowledge of the people there.

I grew up there and I say you talking out your ass. You, like other conservatives, love to treat NOLA like your own personal egestion field.

I don’t see how you can even begin to compare these two disasters and I am not taking anything away from the people of ND.

In any event, I gotta get up at 5am to get ready for my race. Y’all try to have a nice night.

mike

March 28th, 2009
10:10 pm

Jen –

If you review the thread, you will see that it was liberals who started the comparisons between ND and NO, not conservatives. But hey, feel free to bash people who don’t share your political views. That’s par for the course on this blog.

@@

March 28th, 2009
10:26 pm

Hold the door please.

Drone strikes are effective: US

In an interview to Dawn after President Barak Obama announced his new strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Gen. Jones defended the drones strikes as effective and said they were causing low collateral damage.

The drone attacks were first ordered by the Bush administration. The Obama administration has not only continued those strikes but some Obama officials have indicated recently that the drones may attack targets inside Balochistan as well.

When the drone attacks were taking place under Bush’s administration, wasn’t it Obama and the liberals who said they indiscriminately killed innocents provoking the locals to join the insurgency?

You guys better start taking notes so you’ll know what’s O.K. to say now as opposed to later or vice versa.

Corporal

March 28th, 2009
10:28 pm

Mike:

Good posts but don’t hold your breath. I don’t think Jay or the mainstream press will touch this. The psychological disease of the “double standard” is just too ingrained.

Jen:

I didn’t compare the two disasters. I compared the response of two different communities to disaster. A big difference.

During my stay in the New Orleans area just after Katrina I of course talked with many of the local police officers and other emergency workers involved in assisting us with the evacuation of those who lived there. I won’t take the time to tell you all of the things they said/felt about New Orleans and what had happened but it was an “eye opener”. I add to that much of what I saw and experienced.

Therefore, I stand by my 8:38 post.

2 cents

March 28th, 2009
10:30 pm

NO is an great representation of what is going on in of every major city in the nation.

all run by lying, cheating liberals.

fearless fosdick

March 28th, 2009
10:31 pm

Mike…Not so! Go back and read the text(s)again…The only comparison of New Orleans and Fargo by the libs was in how the two emergencies were handled by the different administrations. I.E. Bush/Chertoff/Brownie incompetent…Obama/ Napolitano/competent…

Corporal

March 28th, 2009
10:34 pm

To @@:

And what is worse, these “enemy combatants” (oops! can’t say that anymore) were not advised of their rights or offered an attorey.

By the way, have you seen any photos/film all over the mainstream media outlets showing the wailing women holding their dead children as a result of collateral damage? It would be rare if you did.

Need I say it again? The psychological disease known as the “double standard” ……. better known as “PDS”.

Corporal

March 28th, 2009
10:36 pm

To 2 cents:

Let’s be fair. Not all are lying or cheating. The are Republicans crooks in big cities also.

The difference is the failed liberal policy.

mike

March 28th, 2009
10:46 pm

fearless fosdick –

I said:

“f you review the thread, you will see that it was liberals who started the comparisons between ND and NO, not conservatives.”

The first posts comparing ND and NO was from G who said (incorrectly):

“Waiting 3 days after a disaster when they know it’s coming is the last administration’s way of doing things.”

The second comparison of ND and NO was from Moonbat Betty who said:

“Yes, thank god obama was there to save ND. Too bad he wasn’t there for NO.”

So, I was correct and your “correction” was unwarranted.

Apart from that, what happened in ND had nothing to do with Obama, The river receded and the local community stuffed sandbags. As I said before, giving Obama credit for ND is as laughable as blaming Bush for NO. Nature and local reaction have are the determinants of how disasters turn out. Only partisans think otherwise.

@@

March 28th, 2009
10:55 pm

Now that you mentioned it Corporal, I haven’t seen those kinda pictures.

About the Biden video. I can say, with the utmost confidence, that if it’s true, and if Governor Palin hears of it, she’ll have nothing but kind words and compassion for the Biden family. Will probably offer them in private.

I was just reading an article where she told how right before her debate with Biden, she wanted to pray for strength and guidance….looking around at her campaign staff, she could find nobody with whom she would feel comfortable. She sought out her youngest daughter, Piper who was happy to oblige. A sweet account of a personal moment.

moonbat betty

March 28th, 2009
11:14 pm

I don’t see how you can even begin to compare these two disasters and I am not taking anything away from the people of ND.

talk to g, jen.

6.28 from G : Waiting 3 days after a disaster when they know it’s coming is the last administration’s way of doing things.

oh

moonbat betty

March 28th, 2009
11:32 pm

sure, agreed, corporal

now, what big cities?

Corporal

March 28th, 2009
11:33 pm

@@

And you won’t see those kinds of photos until AFTER a second term is decided one way or the other ……

“Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.”

mike

March 28th, 2009
11:33 pm

moonbat betty:

“I don’t see how you can even begin to compare these two disasters and I am not taking anything away from the people of ND.

talk to g, jen.”

What about your statement:

“Yes, thank god obama was there to save ND.

Too bad he wasn’t there for NO.”

Your hypocrisy is as laughable as your belief that Obama “saved” ND.

moonbat betty

March 28th, 2009
11:38 pm

to all listening:

moonbat betty spans all humanity.

mike, i’m on your side, really.

mike

March 28th, 2009
11:40 pm

moonbat betty:

I guess my sarcasm meter is defective ;)

jon

March 28th, 2009
11:53 pm

This thing in the midwest reminds me of when just a few short years ago, the City of New Orleans experienced record flooding. Remember how the people of that city banded together to fight the ravages of the floodwaters. How local and state authorities activated emergency plans to evacuate the people that were threatened. Remember how the most affected came to the aid of their fellow citizens – rescuing big screen TVs so they could sell them to their neighbors at reduced rates. We even saw New Orleans police officers rescuing groceries and electronics from flooded stores so the community would not be deprived.

And don’t we all remember how the mayor and governor had the foresight to not activate the evacuation plans and use all those city buses to evacuate the populace. And how they never thought to request Federal Aid. After all we don’t have to ask Santa Claus to come every year – he just does.

What vision it was to turn a disaster into a catastrophe that could be blamed on the POTUS!

I’ll never forget the images of those citizens in the Super Dome banding together to help their fellow survivors while deconstructing the details of the conspiracy by the rich white people that doomed their city.

And the gall of those people in Fargo to not take up rent free residence in FEMA trailers for the next dozen years. So damn ——– Republican of them.

Corporal

March 28th, 2009
11:57 pm

moonbat betty:

“Forbes magazine has published a list of the 10 fastest dying American cities. These ten cities:

… face fleeing populations, painful waves of unemployment and barely growing economies. By our measure, they’ve struggled the worst of any areas in the nation in the 21st century. And they face even bleaker futures.

What Forbes fails to mention is the political inclination of these cities. Do a little research and you find the predictable – all but one is run by Democrats.”

Here’s the list:

Canton, Ohio
Democrat
Major William J. Healey

Youngstown, Ohio
Ran as an ‘Independent’ but self described “lifelong Democrat“
Jay Williams

Flint, Michigan (America’s 10th most liberal city)
Democrat
Donald J. Williamson

Scranton, Pa
Democrat
Christopher A. Doherty

Dayton, Ohio
Democrat
Rhine Lana McLin

Cleveland, Ohio
Democrat
Frank George Jackson

Springfield Mass.
Democrat
Domenic J Sarno
Buffalo, NY
Democrat
Byron Brown

Detroit, Michigan
Democrat
Kwame Malik Kilpatrick

Charleston, W.VA
Republican
Danny Jones

Gee whiz: They even left a Newark and a lot of others ………..

jon

March 29th, 2009
12:04 am

Dang. I plum forgot about Earth Hour.

Where did they put all of that electricity that was “saved” when everyone turned off their lights?

It would be cool if CNN went to the site and showed on TV all the saved electricity.

Midori

March 29th, 2009
12:24 am

Taxpayer,

I hope this doesn’t get lost amongst the wingnut baying at the moon and feces flinging, but my point is if other countries situated in a similar precarious locale such as NO, and can deal with nature effectively (via technology and ingenuity), why can’t we?

jon

March 29th, 2009
12:35 am

Alert!! Tomorrow the AJC is running a timely article on the Georgia drought.

jon

March 29th, 2009
12:48 am

Midori,

What other countries? Bangladesh? India? China? When they have floods it kills 10s of thousands.

A lot of Holland is below sea level, but they don’t get many hurricanes.

People just shouldn’t live below sea level.

But we have spent billions to patch up the levees and sea walls in NO, Resetting the trap, I like to say.

BDAtlanta

March 29th, 2009
1:00 am

Just watched Changeling and while watching the Added Features I thought of his bicker with Spike Lee and then I realized there are no black people in any of this movie. Not even in the credits…not even in the footage of the crew.

I believe you have to go back at least 90 years before you can say the separation was that complete. Is Clint a racist? I don’t really care about Clint either way; I just want to know the history before I make any more judgements, etc. Clint made mostly forgetable movies but he shot a few that were really good.

Sam

March 29th, 2009
9:32 am

Maybe the “warmers” (as in the global warming fearmongerers) will need to change their nicknames to the “coolers” (as in the new global cooling movement fearmongerers)…..