Obama sets new approach to Afghanistan

From the Washington Post:

“President Obama this morning announced a new Afghanistan-Pakistan strategy that will require significantly higher levels of U.S. funding and thousands more military and civilian personnel to reverse what he called an “increasingly perilous” situation….

Among the resources required, he said, are an additional 4,000 troops, beyond the 17,000 he authorized last month, that will bring total U.S. deployments to more than 60,000. U.S. military expenses for Afghan operations this year, White House aides said, will increase about 60 percent from the current toll of $2 billion a month. The newly announced forces, from the Army’s 82nd Airborne Division, will serve as trainers and advisers to an Afghan army expected to double to 134,000 by 2011….

“In going forward,” he said, “we will not blindly stay the course,” but will monitor progress with a series of benchmarks and metrics imposed on Pakistan, Afghanistan and U.S. efforts. “And after years of mixed results, we will not provide a blank check. Pakistan must demonstrate its commitment to rooting out al-Qaeda and the violent extremists within its borders,” Obama said.

In an indication that U.S. covert and overt operations against insurgent hideouts in Pakistan will continue — including missile attacks launched by Predator drones, Obama said that “we will insist that action be taken — one way or another — when we have intelligence about high-level terrorist targets.”

…. Lawmakers and the administration itself have questioned the ability and will of the Afghan government to fight corruption and the narcotics trade and have criticized the Pakistani military’s performance against al-Qaeda and other insurgent groups. U.S. intelligence officials believe that elements of Pakistan’s intelligence service continue to actively collaborate with the Taliban.”

I’m on deadline for a Monday column and can’t give this the time it deserves right now. But I’ll make one quick point: Obama’s correct to stress the responsibility of other parties to step up. We Americans can’t fix Afghanistan by ourselves, no matter how much money, time and manpower we put into it. If others don’t do their part, Afghanistan will fail no matter how smart or committed we are.

Sometimes that’s a hard thing for Americans to accept. We have this crazy idea that everything that happens anywhere around the world is a result of something we did or didn’t do. It’s not. Despite our immense relative power, events in other parts of the world have an historic and cultural momentum that we are sometimes helpless to alter.

When Mao and the Communists took over China in 1949, it set off howls here in America of “who lost China?,” as if we somehow had more power over China’s fate than the Chinese themselves. Likewise, there was little we could do to stop North Korea and Pakistan from going nuclear and we may not be able to stop Iran either.

That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try every reasonable means at our disposal. But the idea that events in the rest of the world can be molded to our liking by sufficient application of U.S. willpower and muscle just ain’t true, and our refusal to accept that reality has sometimes caused us problems.

134 comments Add your comment

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
1:19 pm

Jay:

I support the President in these efforts (as I did his decision on marijuana yesterday).

That said, it is so AMUSING to have to see Democrats put on their “war paint” !!

What say ye libs out there ???

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
1:23 pm

P.S.

We also both know if McCain had won and was initiating the same reponse, we would be seeing threads about the Republicans bogging us down in this futile attempt ……….

THAT’s the truly sad thing ………..

ESR

March 27th, 2009
1:26 pm

This will make his whacky way left freako’s that totally want to ban the military all together go nuts. The libs do know that this isn’t a cat fight where democratic males hit each other with their purses, they’re fighting a real war over there with guns that kill? You libs know this, right?

I Report/ You Whine

March 27th, 2009
1:33 pm

Yeah, the Euroweenies couldn’t hold up their end of the deal either.

After years and years of failed socialist policies, free health care, government meddling in private industry, they have become soft, stupid and cowards, hairy armpitted freaks.

We’ll be joining them shortly, I suspect.

“In going forward,” he said, “we will not blindly stay the course,” but will monitor progress with a series of benchmarks and metrics imposed on Pakistan, Afghanistan and U.S. efforts. “And after years of mixed results, we will not provide a blank check.

What a small puny little man, little third grader playing the part of an adult, it’s always someone else’s fault, ain’t it?

I Report/ You Whine

March 27th, 2009
1:36 pm

If you want to know the latest Moonbat Fever Swamp diaper wearing talking points just press your ear up to Obambi’s TelePrompter, it’s sure to spew them for you.

manchild

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
1:44 pm

The silence from you libs is deafening.

I know it’s hard and you’re stunned, but President Obama has put on his war paint. Are you not going to support him?

Marines – standby to repel boarders !

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
1:53 pm

To ESR:

Isn’t this amusing to watch them squirm ? I mean, for President Obama to actually want our troops to KILL terrorists …. with no interview, no advice of rights, no attorney, no trial, no appeal. This is serious.

Bosch

March 27th, 2009
1:54 pm

Well Geez Corporal, give us a minute.

No, I do not support Obama doing this. This should have been done years ago, but I think this is a mistake. After 911, I was all for what Bush did, but years later, the situation has changed due to his incompetence and the Iraq distraction.

mm

March 27th, 2009
1:56 pm

Corporal Warmonger and Friends,

I fully support the effort in Afghanistan and Pakistan. After all, Afganistan is where Al Qeada was at when 9/11 occurred. I hope we do snuff out Al Qeada. I don’t think anybody is upset about.

Now if Obama wants to invade an innocent country, then I’ll treat him the same way I treated Bush.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Bosch

March 27th, 2009
1:58 pm

Let me rephrase, I was all for Bush going into Afghanistan, but he let that ball drop with really bad consequences – the Taliban was allowed to reform, AQ and bin Laden are now in Pakistan – and we are facing dealing with a nation who has nuclear weapons at their disposal.

No, this situation is not good, and there is no one to blame but Bush.

G

March 27th, 2009
1:59 pm

I’m thankful that President Obama and his team have crafted a plan that acknowledges there is no good course to take. Only bad or worse choices.

This and everything else he has done or has chosen to do show a cool head and calm hand.

In other words, he is the total opposite of what we’ve had for 8 years.

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
2:01 pm

O.K. Everyone:

Here’s the score so far:

Bosch: For

mm: Against

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
2:02 pm

Sorry:

In my excitement of seeing the libs forcing themselves to bitterly reply I got it reversed:

Bosch: Against

mm: For

Bosch

March 27th, 2009
2:02 pm

Corporal,

Your score is wrong.

Bosch

March 27th, 2009
2:04 pm

Corporal,

Bitterly reply? Nope. I know you like to stereotype folks, but in this case, it just ain’t so.

G

March 27th, 2009
2:04 pm

Soviets tried to occupy and rule Afghanistan (through a puppet). Since President Obama’s goal is not to occupy, but to fight al Qaeda, there is no comparison.

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
2:05 pm

Bosch

March 27th, 2009
2:07 pm

I think sending more U.S. troops to Afghanistan is a huge mistake. It will only get more young men and women killed fighting a pretend war that we can not win. You can not fight ideology with guns and ammunition, you fight it with money.

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
2:10 pm

Bosch:

I fixed the score. See my 2:02.

“Bitterly”? Sure but lighten up………..I’m just can’t help pulling your guys legs because I know, I JUST KNOW, this is not making you a happy camper.

But hey, live and learn. That’s how politicians are. They tell you one thing during the campaign (we will sit down and talk to these nice people) and then when they get in office they do something else.

Your worst nightmare (and mine on different issues) is that this is just the tip of his ideological iceberg.

Fact it, he is such an unknown, we could all be in for some BIG SURPRISES !

As we used to say in the USSS “You elect ‘um, we protect ‘um” !

@@

March 27th, 2009
2:10 pm

jay, based on everything I’ve been reading the help may not be forthcoming. Obama’s pressure on Europe to jump on board his economic policies is causing resentment, not to mention his eagerness to engage Russia and Iran.

Europe is a continent separate from the U.S. and in closer proximity to The Russian Impaler.

G

March 27th, 2009
2:11 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/14/opinion/14obama.html

July 14, 2008…Candidate Obama announces his plan to reduce war in Iraq and concentrate on Afghanistan:

“Ending the [IRAQ] war is essential to meeting our broader strategic goals, starting in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where the Taliban is resurgent and Al Qaeda has a safe haven. Iraq is not the central front in the war on terrorism, and it never has been.”

ByteMe

March 27th, 2009
2:13 pm

I’m on the “maybe” side. If the strategy is to be the biggest bully on the block for a while to get the different sides to come to the table with the goal of throwing out those who want to export their radicalism, then I’m all for it. If the goal is to somehow “win” Afghanistan, well that’s a fool’s errand and we the people would be right to scream loudly about it.

What I’m missing in all this is a discussion of the underlying strategy and how additional troops fit into that strategy.

@@

March 27th, 2009
2:15 pm

When Bush was sending money to Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, liberals shrieked about the fact that it was going to corrupt governments and finding its way into the hands of terrorists. And now?

It’s the right thing to do….it’s “cool”.

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
2:15 pm

Bosch:

Re: your 2:07. I hear you but you have to fight it on all fronts.

Money, education, diplomacy, economics, blockades, and then in the case of these types (Islamic fanatics) you must hunt their leaders down and hit them wherever and whenever you can (no rest – ever). When they sleep, play, pray, train, relieve themselves or pick their nose …. they never know when it’s coming. They only understand power. And if we don’t use it they will hit us here (they may get a lucky shot in anyway).

Once we have a new generation of “unbrainwashed” people over there we might be able to back of a little. Maybe. It’s always their choice.

HSR0601

March 27th, 2009
2:16 pm

I think the most dangerous thing is depression and poverty world-wide, instead of oil competition, and to repeat and extend past mistake is going to rush the U.S. into an incurable condition. Needless to say, without democracy, everything involving health care and economic growth will go wrong.

Bosch

March 27th, 2009
2:19 pm

Corporal,

I can not help you with your Obama paranoia – that is an issue you have to work out for yourself.

ByteMe,

Good post.

Later folks – gotta go run some errands.

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
2:19 pm

To @@:

You are forgetting the libs are democrats. They never (except Bosch so far) criticize their own ……….. :o )

To G:

Translation?: So you hold you nose and support Obama in killing terrorists? Is that correct?

DB, Gwinnettian

March 27th, 2009
2:21 pm

Corporal, what part of “I like to know what I’m talking about before I speak” do you not get? The WaPo piece is 2,000 words, and it’s a topic of deadly importance.

And your presumption that you know what the “libs” think about any particular topic when your only exposure to such thought is via a crummy comments thread is noxious at best.

Anyway, nothing I’ve seen from skimming Jay’s column and the WaPo piece comes as a surprise at all–had you been paying attention, Obama campaigned on being willing to take a very tough approach with Afghanistan. Or did you not notice when he taunted McCain as being unwilling to “go to the cave where [Bin Laden] lives”?

WhoCares

March 27th, 2009
2:22 pm

I can’t WAIT to see what Jimmy Carter has to say about THIS!

Question is will Obama let the Military do their jobs or will he TOO keep their hands tied.

You just gotta love this, Obama is a blood thirsty war mongerer just like Bush, the libs have GOT to be wetting their pants over this.

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
2:23 pm

Bosch:

Re: your 2:19. You dodge. I support him when I think he is right (in this case) and I do not support him when I think he is wrong. That doesn’t fit the definition of paranoia (he’s always wrong) but nice try.

Mrs. Godzilla

March 27th, 2009
2:23 pm

I’m with Bosch.

I don’t like it.

The only bright spot for me is “Obama will also send hundreds more civilian and development workers into Afghanistan, three administration officials said on the eve of his announcement.” From Agence France-Presse.

Course, being the commie pinko liberal 200 ton socialist facist with a
wretched loney life I am, I still support the President.

I can barely two step…but I never lock step.

mm

March 27th, 2009
2:27 pm

Corporal,

You are truly deranged. I’m sorry you’re not getting the “screw Obama” response you so wanted to hear.

You wingnuts woudn’t recognize reality if it hit you in the face.

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
2:27 pm

Jay:

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I haven’t had this much fun on one of your threads in a long time.

DEMOCRATS AGAINST OBAMA’S WAR UNITE !!

All is fair in love and war …..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDvg7n0jST8

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
2:27 pm

mm:

Why thank you.

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
2:31 pm

DB/G:

Why thank you for your input @ 2:21. Now go clean your rifle.

WhoCares:

Oh, you are right. I didn’t think about that. Jimmy will go through the roof ….. but will he criticize the Messiah publicly?

STAY TUNED !

@@

March 27th, 2009
2:38 pm

Corporal:

Again, you have more appreciation for Bosch than I’ve been able to muster.

He’s mooshy. He says whatever serves his purpose at any given moment just like so many of the liberals. They’re definitely not the kind of people you can rely on in a pinch.

Mooshy!!!!!

ConservativeAnchor

March 27th, 2009
2:40 pm

It is good that he did not stay true to his campaign promise of surging in Afghanistan. It is a different battle and if you surge … bring lots of body bags and American flags for draped coffins.

Keep Afghanistan small, maintain a legitimate government, enable the citizenry (schools and training), and take your time sorting out the bad guys.

When you find the bad guys. Kill em as fast and brutally as possible.

Oh … btw … G … that is what we have been doing.

G

March 27th, 2009
2:41 pm

I find it odd that so-called Christians refer to President Obama as “Messiah”.

G

March 27th, 2009
2:44 pm

CA @ 2:40, I never said we haven’t.

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
2:44 pm

To @@:

I got your back.

To Conservative Anchor:

Precisely.

“Combat at the level of small units is not a grand, strategic ballet. It’s the swift and violent theatre of death.” Col. Jack Jacobs (Medal of Honor – Vietnam)

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
2:45 pm

To G:

I told you yesterday (you don’t pay attention in class) that Messiah is Hebrew for “Christ” and the Bible says there will be many false Christs.

Comprendo?

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
2:50 pm

P.S. To mm:

Regarding your 2:27 …

“There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion.”
Gen. William Thornson, U.S. Army

getalife

March 27th, 2009
2:55 pm

Good luck and get obl.

Jim Webb: Pot Legalization Could Be Part Of Criminal Justice Overhaul

Lets elect Webb after 8 years of President Obama.

jon

March 27th, 2009
2:57 pm

Innocent country? Bosch couldn’t have been talking about Iraq, invader of Kuwait and ignorer of the resulting UN sanctions. Did Bush invade an innocent country and I missed it?

getalife

March 27th, 2009
2:58 pm

Give it a rest private.

You want him to fail.

I Report/ You Whine

March 27th, 2009
3:02 pm

A little spark of courage and pride rises up from the ashes-

The Freedom Tower is out. The agency that owns ground zero confirmed Thursday that the signature skyscraper replacing the towers destroyed on Sept. 11 will be more commonly known as One World Trade Center.

Bravo!

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
3:05 pm

jon:

You know you are dealing with those who believe in “revisionist history”. There’s no use ………

DB, Gwinnettian

March 27th, 2009
3:05 pm

Lets elect Webb after 8 years of President Obama.

Just FYI, were that to happen, he’d be about a month away from turning 71 after his inauguration. Don’t really see that happening, but you never know.

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
3:10 pm

To My Conservative Friends:

Someone sent this to me. Check it out. It’s about Democrats fighting in Iraq ……… not long …… stay with it ……. it gets better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr4QBZfjtqs&feature=related

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
3:13 pm

To getadeath:

You want him to fail in Afghanistan. I want him to win.

Taxpayer

March 27th, 2009
3:14 pm

This is Crazy!. It’s just NUTS! It’s just TeRrIbLe. What IS he DoIng!!!! The horrors.

There. That should make Corporal and some other rightwingnuts feel better. Well? Did that help.

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
3:19 pm

Taxpayer:

Thanks for calling me by my proper “handle”.

………. and, yes it did.

Taxpayer

March 27th, 2009
3:20 pm

G

March 27th, 2009
3:21 pm

C @ 2:45,

You.Are.Not.My.Teacher.

You’re another one who fancies himself/herself a teacher on here.

You just make an @ss out of yourself by doing so.

I stand by my 2:41.

RW-(the original)

March 27th, 2009
3:21 pm

In Obama’s address he read to us that the focus of the increased troop levels would be for training the Afghan military and police so that when they were able we could leave.

Sounds awfully familiar.

Taxpayer

March 27th, 2009
3:23 pm

Just remember your responsibility to fork over those taxes to fund all those wars, you war-mongering Republicans. Especially you, Corporal. :lol:

Cardinal Red

March 27th, 2009
3:26 pm

That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try every reasonable means at our disposal.

The hell you say Bookman?

There was just reason why the Russkies pulled out of Afghanistan and there was just reason why Bush didn’t send massive troops into that hellhole.

O-blah-blah-man’s plan is Bush’s plan in Iraq. IT WON’T WORK IN AFGHANISTAN!!!!!

PJ

March 27th, 2009
3:32 pm

To: Corporal @2:45 pm

“I told you yesterday (you don’t pay attention in class) that Messiah is Hebrew for “Christ” and the Bible says there will be many false Christs.”

I didn’t know you were Jewish. If you are a Christian this is blasphemy.

To: jon @2:57 pm

“Innocent country? Bosch couldn’t have been talking about Iraq, invader of Kuwait and ignorer of the resulting UN sanctions. Did Bush invade an innocent country and I missed it?”

The reasons for Bush’s invasion of Iraq made it an innocent country and his administration’s preemptive invasion was a crime against everything America stand for.

And for the record I appluad out President for keeping his word and going after Bin Laden (you know the one who really attacked the US).

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
3:33 pm

Taxpayer:

re: your 3:20

“…. even Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light”

“…. not everyone who calls me Lord, Lord shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven.”

re: your 3:23 …. as we used to say in the old days “GET SOME” !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT3YtP3qPLk&feature=related

Shawny

March 27th, 2009
3:36 pm

Shhhhhhh.. listen for Murtha’s opposition to sending more troops. Can’t hear it? Neither can I. Amazing.

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
3:36 pm

To G:

Don’t be so touchy. A teacher is only a teacher if the student learns. So yes, obviously, I am NOT your teacher.

Your argument is not with me. I’m just the messenger. Take it up with the Author.

Matthew 24:24
“For false christs (political) and false prophets (religious) will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect (true Christians).”

Taxpayer

March 27th, 2009
3:38 pm

Writer’s block, Jay?

Bud Wiser

March 27th, 2009
3:39 pm

(refrains from liberal land)

Lying warmongering pig!!
GET US OUT OF AFGHANISTAN NOW!
NO MORE WAR!!
MAKE PEACE!!
MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR!!
I HATE BUSH!!
I HATE BUSH!!
I HATE BUSH!!

Wait a minute; the warmongering mongrel bur dog president i thought was doing all of this is no longer in office. Old habits are so very hard to break.

Forget it, and listen to this, in honor of our military, being called on again to fight for us all.

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
3:40 pm

Shawny:

He is not one to stand up for principle. He doesn’t want any of “his” pork cut.

Remember, he accused those eight Marines of “murder in cold blood”?

Six had their cases dismissed, one was found not guilty and the remaining prosecution has been suspended and is under review.

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
3:41 pm

Taxpayer:

That wasn’t called for. Like many of you he is depressed and really struggling with this issue of should he speak out against the chosen one. This is not easy for you liberals.

G

March 27th, 2009
3:46 pm

C @ 3:36,

I don’t know what your problem is, but I’ll bet it’s hard to pronounce.

PJ

March 27th, 2009
3:46 pm

To: Corporal @3:36 pm – Bush was the bible thump-er not Obama. He has never claimed to have a direct line to God other than the one we all have which is through prayer. Bush was the on who acted like he was Moses and was getting his directions straight from above.

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
3:46 pm

To Bud Wiser:

Excellent choice. He was one of my favorites.

Here’s a classic you will like in honor of those who serve:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AqESKOaeGk

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
3:47 pm

To G:

It’s easy to pronounce: F O R G I V E N S I N N E R .

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
3:49 pm

To P.J.:

I hear you but you miss the point:

There are false messiahs, true messiahs and then of course “The” Messiah.

Taxpayer

March 27th, 2009
3:51 pm

I hate love to burst your bubble, Corporal. I have no objections to going after the terrorists that attacked us. After all, there’s nothing preemptive/preventive about it since they attacked us first. No crystal balls or religious fervor or other such things required.

RealityKing

March 27th, 2009
3:54 pm

Such a narrow view Jay…

The idea is not to make events in the rest of the world mold to our liking…, But to use sufficient application of U.S. willpower and muscle in keeping events in the rest of the world from being molded after something not beneficial for all.., like Saddam, the Taliban and Iranian nuclear warheads.

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
3:54 pm

Taxpayer:

Excellent. Welcome on board. Up to the rigging and standby to repel boarders!

G

March 27th, 2009
3:54 pm

C @ 3:47,

And that’s a problem? You’re quite the strange one.

ByteMe

March 27th, 2009
3:55 pm

Corporal @ 2:45: Messiah is not “Christ” in Hebrew. Jeez. Quit making up things that can be easily refuted.

From Wikipedia:

Messiah (Hebrew: משיח‎; mashiah, moshiah, mashiach, or moshiach, (”anointed [one]“) is a term used in the Hebrew Bible to describe priests and kings, who were traditionally anointed with the holy anointing oil as described in Exodus 30:22-25. For example, Cyrus the Great, the king of Persia, though not a Hebrew, is referred to as “God’s anointed” (Messiah) in the Bible.

In Jewish eschatology, the term came to refer to a future Jewish King from the Davidic line, who will be “anointed” with holy anointing oil and rule the Jewish people during the Messianic Age. In Standard Hebrew, The Messiah is often referred to as מלך המשיח, Méleḫ ha-Mašíaḥ (in the Tiberian vocalization pronounced Méleḵ hamMāšîªḥ), literally meaning “the Anointed King.”

In other words, the word messiah pre-dates Christ by a few thousand years.

ByteMe

March 27th, 2009
3:55 pm

Pretty cool that the blog can display Hebrew!

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
3:57 pm

RealityKing:

Well said. Very astute. But you probably won’t hear from Jay because he is hunkered down in his new “fighting hole”.

Special note: The Army calls them “foxholes” but foxes hide in holes so we Marines call them “fighting holes”.

RealityKing

March 27th, 2009
3:58 pm

So much for Obama and his diplomatic approach to foriegn policy, you know…, that progressive lie the media glossed over last year.

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
4:05 pm

ByteMe:

And your point is?

Of course Messiah is Hebrew and “Christ” is the Greek word for Messiah ….

Just as Jesus is Greek for Joshua.

And, just for the sake of debate here, NOTHING predates Christ because He is God in the flesh, very God, who has no beginning and no end.

“In the beginning was the Word (Messiah/Christ) and the Word was with God and the Word WAS (emphasis added) God.”

“And the disciples said to Him, if you will just show us the Father, we will be satisfied. And He said to them, I have been with you so long already and you don’t know me?” “I and the Father are One.”

All of the Old Testament references to the Messiah are simply references to (as you described) the Eternal King from the line of David – Joshua the Messiah (Jesus the Christ) ………..

Midori

March 27th, 2009
4:06 pm

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I haven’t had this much fun on one of your threads in a long time.

you’re having fun making a fool of yourself?

ByteMe

March 27th, 2009
4:10 pm

Corporal, at 2:45, you said “I told you yesterday (you don’t pay attention in class) that Messiah is Hebrew for “Christ” …” and I refuted that. That’s my point.

And now you’re changing your words. Do I have to keep looking up this stuff to refute you?

Redneck Convert

March 27th, 2009
4:14 pm

Well, I see this woman died and was in her house 7 years before anybody found her. Seems to me somebody ought to know about it in all that time. The smell, you know.

Anyhow, I’m all for war if it don’t involve me and mine. So I say to this Obama, go for it. We might could get out of this recession that way. It worked in WW II.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

Bud Wiser

March 27th, 2009
4:18 pm

NO AFGHAN RUGS!!
NO MO POPPY!!
NO WMD’s!!
NO NUKES!!
NO CLUE!!

(Feel free to add your own liberal refrain.)

Wait a minute;

WE GOT OBAMA!!
WE GOT OBAMA!!
WE GOT OBAMA!!

Gentleman Jim Reeves was indeed a soothing voice this day, Corporal.

Thank you.

Rush Limbaugh for President

March 27th, 2009
4:20 pm

Corporal, You Whine and ESR….

Some edification for you megalomanics

Everyone that voted for Obama was not a democrat. Lots of independents and some recovering republicans…

ESR- all non right wingers are not gay regardless of what your daddy taught you. So relax and don’t be such a homophobe.

If you know your history you’ll remember that FDR ( a Democrat I believe) was president during WW2. Truman-Korea. Kennedy-Cuban Missile Crisis. So get off the “liberals are panisies” line. It just ain’t so.

Corporal, get back on the corner with your “THE END IS NEAR SIGN”
Whiner- crawl back in your hole.
ESR- see a doctor asap…

Bud Wiser

March 27th, 2009
4:21 pm

PJ

March 27th, 2009
4:21 pm

To: Corporal @3:49 pm

“I hear you but you miss the point:”

But you miss my point entirely. The President has been called many names on this blog, some are mean and some are juvenile, but when you guys take the Lord’s name in vain that is a sin. You can try to define it or excuse it anyway you want but you and I both know it’s wrong. At least I hope you do. Please refrain.

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
4:22 pm

ByteMe:

Amarillo is Spanish for Yellow.
Yellow is English for Amarillo.
It makes no differnce which language came first.

Now ………

Here is a site with every Old Testament prophecy regarding the Messiah. There are hundreds. You can read it or not. If you do, then you can ignore it or search for more truth.

Here is just one verse from Psalms:

Psalms 22:16 “Dogs (Gentiles) have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet.”

Does that remind you of anyone?

Here is the site. As I said, there are hundreds more …………

http://www.cynet.com/Jesus/PROPHECY/ntquoted.htm

ByteMe

March 27th, 2009
4:28 pm

Corporal: The Hebrew word משיח‎ has more connotations than just the one you choose it to mean and the Greeks obviously had their own connotations. You can’t just translate from one language into another and assume you’re getting all the rich flavor of the original language’s intent.

As for your statement that NOTHING predates Christ, well that’s just your interpretation of random tea leaves.

jt

March 27th, 2009
4:30 pm

the war on drugs kill more americans in a week than Al Qaeda has in its entire history.

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
4:32 pm

To P.J.:

Yes, Presidents (Republican and Democrat) are referred to in many ways – mostly in the form of political humor (which so far in this country is protected free speech).

You are wrong sir theologically on what it means to take the Lord’s name if vain …. but you and I will just have to agree to disagree on that.

That said, I will simply give you the quote again for you to ponder:

Matthew 24:24 (New Living Translation)
“For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones.”

P.S. For your additional edification, this is what Jesus called the political ruler over His province ……….

Luke 13:32
“He replied, “Go tell that fox (Herod), ‘I will drive out demons and heal people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’”

Again, a little political humor ………………

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
4:34 pm

ByteMe:

I hear you and thank you for your input.

One more thing. All of those hundreds of Old Testament prophesies are not “tea leaves”. At least check out that site. It couldn’t hurt.

God bless ………..

Bosch

March 27th, 2009
4:41 pm

Corporal,

I thought yellow was English for yellow. Sorry, couldn’t resist. :-)

Jay’s last paragraph hits the nail on the head with me. I read alot of people here who equate not using the “shock and awe” approach as being appeasers, and that just simply isn’t true. Rushing into a situation with guns ablazing is not the smart thing to do – especially in the situation in Afghanistan. That doesn’t mean for a minute that we should just sit back and do nothing, or just talk to them (diplomacy) – as with most things you have to do a both, and back yourself up.

But I have alot more confidence that Obama will be better at learning from mistakes in a situation and re-arranging his plans according to situations as needed.

Bosch

March 27th, 2009
4:43 pm

jt,

The war on drugs is another false war that can never be “won.”

jon

March 27th, 2009
4:44 pm

PJ at 3:32 – The reasons for Bush’s invasion of Iraq made it an innocent country and his administration’s preemptive invasion was a crime against everything America stand for.

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That’s just plain absurd. The way that you have to twist history to support your dogma is amusing to say the least.

Bosch

March 27th, 2009
4:46 pm

ByteMe,

It seems you’ve taken over my traditional role of religion talk guy. It’s fun isn’t it? :-)

Dusty

March 27th, 2009
4:47 pm

Well, it is hard not to get a little pleasure out of seeing libs so busy with their explanations “excusing” a war-like Obama. They hardly have time to even mention Bush. They are a bit “shocky” as the moment.

I don’t find any joy in sending more of our military as “trainers and advisers” because I know they will be more than that. Always I support them as the necessity of fighting terrorism still prevails upon us. Also the danger of drug cartels threatens Afghanistan as it does in Mexico.

So, I see that Obama might be able to face some realities new to him. He is getting the intelligence reports and they are probably tell him plenty. Bush got them and did what he thought was right for our country. For that, he was insulted over and over by Democrats. He had the character to overcome Democratic hostility. We will see how Obama reacts.

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
4:51 pm

Bosch:

I hear you.

I believe it depends on one thing ……… will he listen to his generals?

Bush unfortunately listened to Rumsfield instead on several occasions ……… and that brought severe problems.

Regarding the war on drugs, it’s just like the wars on terrorism or organized crime or murderers and rapists or whatever …… they will never be “won” but we must strive to keep knocking them down ….

Corporal

March 27th, 2009
4:52 pm

P.S. to Bosch:

What do you think of Jesus’ claim to be the Messiah/Christ?

I’ll give you my brief (I promise) thoughts when I get back from patrol.

Mrs. Godzilla

March 27th, 2009
4:54 pm

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ByteMe

March 27th, 2009
4:56 pm

Bosch: I think we need a war on terriers. stupid little yappy…..

As for the Corporal: he takes himself too seriously on religion. Amusing to sometimes yank the chain. It’s Friday, I’m winding down.

I think the whole “guns blazing” is what happens when you have a whole generation or three of males who have never really had to fight in a war and poop in their pants as the bombs land closer, closer…. So they want to talk a good game, but having never been there, they really have no idea outside of movies what it’s like.