Unleash the Gubernator!
California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger told reporters yesterday Tuesday that he didn’t face the pressure some Republican state legislators faced in pushing through a necessary tax increase because unlike the legislators, he wasn’t going to be running for anything.
Did that mean he would not challenge Barbara Boxer for her U.S. Senate seat?
“When I say I’m not running for anything, that’s exactly what I mean . . . until you change the Constitution.”
Should we change the Constitution? Not specifically for Arnold, but for others as well. Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, for example, was born in Canada and is ineligible. We take a lot of very smart, talented people out of the candidate pool with that native-born requirement, and for no rational reason that I can think of.
And as a bonus, once the Constitution is amended, Barack Obama could finally come clean about his REAL place of birth. Right guys?
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oldmac
March 26th, 2009
1:01 pm
That’d open the door for George. Soros to be Pres. -kind of like he already is.
JM
I Report/ You Whine
March 26th, 2009
1:03 pm
It didn’t stop the current “president.”
Yes, Bookman, let’s just get rid of all the borders in the world and become one with the Islamic cut throats and other goons who have made their own countries such delightful places to live.
(Why would anyone from abroad want to run such a sorry country as the United States anyway? I mean, we are pigs and racists and greedy, blah, blah, right?)
Cherokee
March 26th, 2009
1:04 pm
lol
good one Jay
and I agree with you
BTW, what is it about George Soros? I know right wingers live in an alternate universe, but what is their obsession with him?
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
1:04 pm
Jay:
You brought it up ! I have three questions for you. They all can be answered yes or no.
1) Did the State of Hawaii release Obama’s “Certification of Birth” document (note: this is not a birth certificate)?
2) Under Hawaii law, could a child have been born out of the United States and receive such named certificate (if his mother had lived in Hawaii for one year prior)?
3) Did the State of Hawaii release Obama’s “Birth Certificate” (note: this document – unlike the “Certification of Birth” document – shows additional information including the hospital of record and attending physician)?
G
March 26th, 2009
1:06 pm
Off topic
The following is addressed to, well, you know who you are.
This blog belongs to Jay Bookman. Now Jay is known to be quite liberal. Therefore, one would expect his commenters to be liberal as well. Why would you conservatives come here instead of going to Jim Wooten’s blog? Do you think you’re going to change the minds of people here? Dream on.
What I have gathered from many of you is that you feel you should be able to insult anyone whenever the urge strikes, without repercussions. Well, I’m informing you now, it doesn’t work that way. I never attack anyone without provocation. But I will NOT sit back and be attacked and say nothing.
In other words, if you can’t take it, don’t dish it out.
I Report/ You Whine
March 26th, 2009
1:07 pm
The world has already passed us by anyway-
The United States wouldn’t even be eligible to enter the European Union if it wanted to because of its debt levels, Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) claimed Thursday.
All of the failed idiotic Euroweenie ideas that we know don’t work, does that stop us from making the same mistake?
I Report/ You Whine
March 26th, 2009
1:09 pm
Nice crying jag G.
It’s all about you, isn’t it?
oldmac
March 26th, 2009
1:13 pm
Pay attention now IR/YW-
George Soros funds Moveon.org.
Moveon.org is the modern day home of the socialism/communism movement in the USA. (sister org to ACORN (home of the best nuts).
Like you didn’t know.
MN
oldmac
March 26th, 2009
1:15 pm
Oops, this ones for you Cherokee…
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
1:16 pm
Mr. G:
I agree “if” you are attacked personally ….. but not because you just don’t like the debate/answers from a conservative poster. That’s an important difference.
G
March 26th, 2009
1:19 pm
Yes, Jay, naturalized citizens are as American as the next person. Keeping that in mind, when it comes to monetary issues, naturalized citizens and citizens alike play the same role, but regarding the presidency, the rules are changed.
I don’t think it’s fair at all.
Jay, we all know President Obama was born in Ireland.
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
1:20 pm
Coming soon to a solar system near you. No planet is safe.
“The Debt Star”
debtstar.jpg (52KB)
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
1:26 pm
Jay:
What are your thoughts on a “Constitutional Convention” ? Just curious.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
1:31 pm
Birthers……he he he he he he
Eric
March 26th, 2009
1:31 pm
Any rule that prevents Jennifer Granholm from running for another office is a good thing.
Taxpayer
March 26th, 2009
1:32 pm
Shhhh. Jay, you are not supposed to let that little secret out. You know what effect it might have on some people.
mm
March 26th, 2009
1:32 pm
Poor Corporal, still hung up on the birth certificate crap.
Do you think this is where the wingnuts get their nuttiness?
I'm Scared!
March 26th, 2009
1:39 pm
Right on, Eric!
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
1:39 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RRLLaq2VM8
Gee Whiz – it reminds me of the background music in the old Cowboy and Indian movies …………..
Bosch
March 26th, 2009
1:42 pm
I don’t think that’s a good idea – I say keep the law like it is.
Bosch
March 26th, 2009
1:44 pm
Jay,
We’ve already had one Governor/Actor from California as Prez – I don’t think we need another, and besides, I really just don’t think Arnold is all that smart.
Dave
March 26th, 2009
1:44 pm
You’re still here. After I heard about all the layoff at the AJC, I figured you’d be no more. Maybe next round… it’s going to be hard for you to figure out how to make money at what you do without some rag like the AJC around to publish it…
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
1:45 pm
To my liberal friends:
1) The answers to 1:04 are Yes, Yes, No.
2) Will the actual “birth certicate” ever be released. I doubt it.
3) Will we ever know for sure where he was born. I doubt it.
4) If we were to find out he was born in another country and therefore on a “technicality” not a U.S. citizen, would the Supreme Court ever rule he is not President. No. They don’t want to start a civil war and I don’t blame them.
5) So why would it have mattered during the electin “if” (and I say “if”) he was born in Kenya.
6) The American voters deserved to know. It’s just that simple.
Rush Limbaugh
March 26th, 2009
1:46 pm
Should we change the Constitution? Hummmm…You could make a pretty good argument that some immigrants are better Americans than some folks born here.I’m not to keen on changing the Constitution but I’d listen.
Just in…..”Let me be clear,” Geithner told the committee. “The days when a major insurance company could bet the house on credit default swaps with no one watching and no credible backing to protect the company or taxpayers must end.”
Kamchak
March 26th, 2009
1:48 pm
A Constitutional Convention would be letting the genie out of the bottle. Once it is out, there is no limits to where it might go.
G
March 26th, 2009
1:48 pm
I find it interesting that naturalized citizens are typically more faithful voters, interested in politics, and the state of the country. I know I have made a very general statement, however, I have friends who are naturalized citizens. We who were born and grew up here tend to be a bit more complacent.
I’m sure there are naturalized citizens who are more apt to have our country’s best interests at heart, rather than some ninth generation American who can quote his ancestors all the way back to the rich landowners who stepped off the Mayflower.
But not Arnold, seriously, not Arnold.
Rush Limbaugh
March 26th, 2009
1:50 pm
Corporal….
Put down the end of the world is near sign and get over the birth certificate thing.Obama is the President.
I know you are not paranoid but someone might be watching you.
Bosch
March 26th, 2009
1:50 pm
Corporal,
Why don’t you go to the White House web site where Obama is blogging today and ask him where he was born, then will you move on past this birth certificate thing?
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HEY!!! Did y’all know that if you put your cursor over an emoticon a little box will pop up telling you what to type? My mother would be so proud of me for learning this – I’ve got to give her a call.
Truth
March 26th, 2009
1:50 pm
Unlike Jay and many other libs, real Americans country first! Someone who is from another country just can’t have the true blood love for America that is needed to put America first!
Logical Dude
March 26th, 2009
1:50 pm
I say that if you are a naturalized citizen for 35 years, then that is in line with a minimum age of 35 to qualify to be president (for those born in the States).
Of course, the “born in the States” could reflect the fear that someone would rule favorably to their birth country. I don’t see how that is much different than the current haphazard way in which we give nations “most favored” status.
Bud Wiser
March 26th, 2009
1:51 pm
I for one could care less if a future President were born on Mars, if he was deemed fit for the job. Voting for the ‘anti-Bush’ is about the least intelligent and informed reason one could vote at all.
BUT, there is this little document known as the Constitution, and it is quite specific. Since it is the very foundation for our system of government, and was designed with specific purposes, unless it is trashed or amended, it pretty well rules the roost.
I will not go into specifics as to why foreign born persons should never be eligible, except to explain to the incredibly ignorant something that even they might understand, such as an allegiance to a foreign country or ethos, or worse, obligations to such that may be felt or coerced into being fulfilled by the power of the presidency. Enough said about that.
One can speculate about many more relevant things, such as:
… how long until the economy collapses,
…or the US dollar is revalued to equate to something worth less than, say, a sheet of toilet paper,
…or the Arabs play real hard ball and shut off the oil to make our economy fold, with no self-dependent sources of oil, or new energies that have yet to be developed,
…or just how poor a bowler Obama really is.
As for Arnold, he needs to make one more Terminator movie before age destroys his physique any further.
Booooooring………
Californication
March 26th, 2009
1:52 pm
Cherokee, the thing with Soros is he is a convicted criminal that has destroyed the monetary systems of several countries and now ours. He has been banned in several countries for illegal monetary fund activity and convicted here in the US for tax evasion and fraud. But you people on the loonie left have embraced his destructive activities and Clinton gave him a pardon so he could come back to the US to defeat Bush. Soros is the main backer for the lying piece of dog dirt that is now president.
Bosch
March 26th, 2009
1:54 pm
Logical Dude,
Yeah, and then you have someone like George W. Bush who was the President and he did such a stand up job.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
1:55 pm
Cherokee
Soros is the liberal version of Richard Melon Scaife.
Interesting characters both!
Taxpayer
March 26th, 2009
1:56 pm
Normally, I’d say that making more changes to the Constitution, as our founding fathers intended, to accomodate foreign-born folks, with educations especially, within our system of governance would be a good, progressive thing to do. However, we would need to be careful such that we don’t open the door for just anyone. The next thing you know, folks like Cagle or Sanford or Palin might get it in their heads that they should be qualified for the high office and that just would not do. ew.
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
1:56 pm
Kamchack:
Agree.
Rush Limbaugh:
Yes he is and that is not going to change. See my 1:45 specifically #’s 5&6. If you think the American voters did not deserve the right to know I would like to her your opinion as to why. Let’s keep out debate polite. We have the right to our opinions.
Bosch:
He and his staff were asked on numerous occasions during the campaign. They would only point to the “Certification of Birth” document and would NEVER specifically answer the question. Do you not realize how quickly this could be put to rest with a simple certified copy of the actual “Birth Certificate”.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 26th, 2009
1:59 pm
“I say that if you are a naturalized citizen for 35 years, then that is in line with a minimum age of 35 to qualify to be president (for those born in the States).”
My take as well. However, amending the Constitution is (and should be) a PITA so I doubt this requirement will change in my lifetime.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 26th, 2009
2:01 pm
“Soros is the main backer for the [expletives deleted] president.”
Cite, please.
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
2:02 pm
HEADLINE: US deploys warships as North Korea prepares to launch missile …
Marines! Standby to repel boarders !
AmVet
March 26th, 2009
2:03 pm
Negative, Houston. Negative.
Keep your filthy collective hands off of that sacred document.
No amendments to allow foreign-born peeps to run the country.
No amendments especially for the paranoid homophobes.
No amendments for the sanctity of marriage morons.
None, Nada. Zip.
Leave it the hell alone…
Bosch
March 26th, 2009
2:03 pm
Corporal,
Question: when a person runs for office, don’t they have to properly identify themselves, fill out paperwork, etc? You know, like the first time you get a driver’s license.
I would think they do – at least I hope they do.
@@
March 26th, 2009
2:04 pm
Oh heavens No!!! California is bankrupt. Why would we want Arnold to run things….
Never mind! I’ll make this short, jay. Tell Arnold that Obama has beat him to the punch. By the time the next presidential election rolls around, there’ll be no money to waste — the entire country will be bankrupt.
Sorry Arnie.
Bosch
March 26th, 2009
2:06 pm
AmVet,
Well said.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
2:08 pm
birthers…hee hee hee
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
2:11 pm
Bosch:
Sure they do. And sometimes there is a block to check and you provide a copy of your birth certificate and that’s it. Sometimes there is a requirement for a top secret clearance and then you have to:
1) One – check the box
2) Provide a “certified copy” of your “birth certificate”
3) An investigator has to go and “see” (verify) that copy with the State/County involved. I often did just that.
Bottom line: Anyone can say anything. It has to be verified.
Now, please do me the personal favor of answering my question.
In the case we are discussing, it would be so simple to release the actual “Birth Certificate” vs. just the “Certification of Live Birth”. This has not been done.
Do you have a opinion as to why?
G
March 26th, 2009
2:12 pm
Mrs. G @ 1:31,
I know. Birthers are quite comical.
‘Mkay, here we go again.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-obama-ad-03-dec03,0,3124041.story
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
2:13 pm
HEADLINE: Obama Cautious On Job Creation …
Crawfishing as fast as he can go …….. oh, it was so simple during the campaign …….. having all the answers ……. promises, promises.
Taxpayer
March 26th, 2009
2:15 pm
Dang. Now @@ is on to our master plan. Well, now that the “cat is out of the bag”, our plan all along has been to fix the economy and implement changes to insure that the Republicans can never screw it up again. To that end, we will make certain that they have no money available just in case they ever manage to get a foothold in the federal government again. Clever, huh. Most foreign countries have already signed an accord to never loan money to another conservative (Republican). So, that should take care of things.
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
2:15 pm
GOOD FOR HIM !
(CNN) — “In a statement that’s sure to disappoint many of those who submitted questions to President Obama’s virtual town hall meeting, the president made clear Thursday he does not support legalizing marijuana as a means to spur economic growth.”
Credit when credit is due. I call ‘em like I see ‘em. Chalk one up in his corner.
Taxpayer
March 26th, 2009
2:18 pm
Ooh. Ooh. I know why. Call me. Call me. It’s because there is no Constitutional requirement for such a proof of birth.
Dan
March 26th, 2009
2:19 pm
The person claiming the US wouldn’t be allowed in the EU, Americas debt to GDP ratio is better than 5 of the top 10 EU banks and when compared to G8 coutries only the UK and Russia have better ratios. And I hardly think anyone would care to trade economies with Russia (even today)
Should we be concerned yes, but the facts are we are still in a far better situation than most of the world. and don’t get started on china if their growth continued on the same path and ours stopped dead in the water (neither of which will happen) they would take about 18 years to catch us
RW-(the original)
March 26th, 2009
2:22 pm
If Arnold and Jennifer were allowed to run and ran against each would they share a slogan?
Let me do to the whole United States what I did to California/Michigan
Too bad the current office holder will have already done it for them.
Later!
Taxpayer
March 26th, 2009
2:25 pm
And remember the good that Bush and the Republicans have done for family values — there has NEVER been a better time to buy the inlaws a house…or vice versa. So, take advantage of this once in a lifetime opportunity so you too can have a happy thought when you tell your children of the Bush years. Do it for the children.
@@
March 26th, 2009
2:27 pm
So who knew that Obama ordered an airstrike inside Sudan, killing some 30 “innocents?”
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
2:33 pm
To G:
Thanks for posting that document, but it is the “Certification of Live Birth” (see the title on the document) and not the “Birth Certificate”.
Please post a copy of the “State of Hawaii Birth Certificate” and you will here no more on the subject from me.
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
2:36 pm
Taxpayer:
Are you arguing with me or Jay? The gist of his thread is that there is such a requirement and therefor should the Constitution be Amended? I that is wrong, I will stand corrected.
SaveOurRepublic
March 26th, 2009
2:36 pm
While the “Austrian Oak” is one of the greatest bodybuilders & actor film stars to ever live, he’s been an atrocious “Govenator” IMO. He’s a Neocon/RINO/”Rockefeller Republic”, and would be an equally terrible POTUS. In any event, the Constitution should NOT be amended to allow foreign born as POTUS. On that same line of though, Globalist shill “Bacrock Obuma” needs to come clean on his birth origin. The fact these various documents haven’t been produced is highly questionable (at best) & proof that he’s not Constitutionally qualified to serve as POTUS (at worse).
Redneck Convert
March 26th, 2009
2:37 pm
Well, us GA rednecks ain’t got a leg up on many people in this country. We ain’t book-learnt and we don’t have fancy titles. And there ain’t many rednecks born with a II or III or IV after their name. And you won’t find many with a big pile of cash in the bank. We don’t wear suits. Except for one we bought at WalMart and wear to church on Sunday.
But leastwise we’re Real Americans. We were born here. That’s the reason why the Republican Party is so proud of having us in their midst. And that’s more than the carpet baggers from other countrys can say. I say keep these foreign people with the big schooling and all kind of business success out of the White House. Now I know we thought we had one of our own in the White House when Jimmy Carter got elected. We flocked to the polls to vote for him. And he turned out to be the most worst kind of librul you could find. Same thing with Bill Clinton.
So I’m awful glad this Arnold Whatshisname won’t never get to be elected President. A fellow that can’t speak even halfway decent Southren got no business leading this country. And I say the same goes for this Obama. Me and alot of my buddies still think he was born in Africa somewhere and sneaked into this country by his Mommy and then bribed somebody to say he was born in Hawaii.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
Bosch
March 26th, 2009
2:38 pm
Corporal,
So you think that his birth certificate was never verified or not verified through the proper channels?
I’m not trying to avoid your question, I’m just a little confused – for one thing, I don’t know what the difference between a “birth certificate” and a “certificate of live birth?”
I know anybody can say anything without proof, like “Obama was born in Kenya and is not a U.S. citizen.”
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
2:40 pm
birthers….hee hee hee
Taxpayer
March 26th, 2009
2:41 pm
Corporal,
You clearly lack an understanding of my post.
BDAtlanta
March 26th, 2009
2:42 pm
GOP Budget Proposal: Massive Tax Cut For Wealthy
Under the Republican plan, the top marginal tax rate would be slashed from 35 to 25 percent, facilitating a dramatic transfer of wealth up the economic scale.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/26/gop-budget-proposal-massi_n_179598.html
What is it with Republicans and tax cuts?
Me me me me me me me me me. That is all you folks know. Pay yer damn taxes just like everyone else. Can you do that?
Jeez. I’ll be over here banging my head against this wall for the rest of the day. I want to know what itr feels like to vote Republican.
Copyleft
March 26th, 2009
2:45 pm
Ooooh, I see. It’s not a “birth certificate,” it’s a “certificate of birth.” And that’s not the same thing at all! It’s not proof of legal U.S. citizenship or anything…
Except, of course, that it is. And that the Constitution says nothing about what specific forms of citizenship documents are needed anyway, let alone the exact wording of “Birth Certificate” on the title. It doesn’t even specify a font, fer pity’s sake! How lax can you GET???
Jezz, tinfoil-hat brigade, get over it already. You’ll just have to find Obama actually doing something WRONG if you want to get rid of him. But don’t worry–you can still hate him for no reason for the next eight years. No law against that.
Bosch
March 26th, 2009
2:47 pm
Mrs. G.,
You’re funny.
Copyleft
March 26th, 2009
2:47 pm
As for the actual TOPIC…
I see no problem with removing the “natural-born citizen” requirement. Anyone who comes here and swears to uphold the Constitution is already a better American than most conservatives.
SaveOurRepublic
March 26th, 2009
2:51 pm
**Correction on my initial entry ^ – Arnie’s one of the greatest action film stars (not “overall” greatest actors).
ESR
March 26th, 2009
2:55 pm
Obama wouldn’t be fit for President if he was born in the White House while his mother was on a tour of the place. Are we sure his mom actually married his father? Stranger things have happened I suppose, a first for everything ?
Bosch
March 26th, 2009
3:00 pm
ESR,
“Are we sure his mom actually married his father”
And that’s relevant because……………..?
Face it. You just hate the man. Just admit it and move on.
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
3:03 pm
Bosch:
You are being very reasonable here and I appreciate that. However, it appears you have only been skimming my previous points so I will try it carefully one more time:
1) A “Certificate of Live Birth” is what is called a “covering document”. It is a separate document from an actual “Birth Certificate”.
2) The first document (Certificate of Live Birth) merely states the person was “born” in Hawaii. However there is something in the law called a “legal fiction” and that is what this document “can be” depending on the circumstances. At that time one could get that document whether you were “physically born” in Hawaii or not. There was a provision in the law (you can look it up or I will provide it to you) allowing a mother to have a child overseas but if she had lived in Hawaii for one year prior she could come back and apply for and receive that document for her child.
3) The second document (Birth Certicate) contains much more information including the name of the hospital on Hawaii, the attending physician, patental information, length & weight of the child, etc., etc.
4) The first document has been released and was posted by “G” at 2:12 above. The second document has not been released.
5) State of Hawaii officials were very circumspect in their release of the document. In effect, they merely said ……. here it is – it speaks for itself. They would not disclose even verbally the contents of the “Birth Certificate” nor even state which hospital he was born in.
6) My point is …. this could all be cleared up with a simple release of the “Birth Certificate” by Obama/staff.
7) My question to you again is what could be the possible reason for not releasing this document ?
@@
March 26th, 2009
3:06 pm
?!?What?!?
No outrage for Obama authorizing a bombing inside Sudan?
Those 30 “innocents” didn’t matter?
That’s interesting.
Joey
March 26th, 2009
3:06 pm
Based on Arnold’s performance as Governor of California, how could he expect to win a primary or the nomination of any party for any position. He was given an opportunity, admittedly a tough one. He misfired. More than once.
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
3:06 pm
To Copyleft:
You need to read my posts. This has nothing to do with the “wording” on the document. There are two (repeat two) different documents. One has been released….the other has not. It’s not hard to understand that whether you disagree with me or not.
Taxpayer:
Regarding your 2:41 it wasn’t intentional. Please provide clarification and ask me again ……… if you wish.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
3:07 pm
Bosch
It ain’t me it’s the general foolishness…..
Everytime I think about the birthers…..hee heee heee
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 26th, 2009
3:07 pm
I’m for leaving the Constitution the way it is.
@@
March 26th, 2009
3:10 pm
My question to you again is what could be the possible reason for not releasing this document ?
To which Bosch answer….
“I don’t know. That’s why I told you to blog with President Obama at his townhall meeting. Maybe he can tell you.”
or something to that effect.
@@
March 26th, 2009
3:12 pm
will…..put a “will” where appropriate.
Hillbilly Deluxe:
I do so love a man of few words.
Taxpayer
March 26th, 2009
3:15 pm
Corporal,
The Constitution does not require the specific format of proof of birthplace that you are requesting. Obama has met all the requirements for the Office of the Presidency and he is under no obligation to you or anyone else to disclose any additional information. Of course, you could always push for a change in the Constitution just in case you think that the founding fathers erred in their original requirements. How ’bout it.
Bosch
March 26th, 2009
3:17 pm
Corporal,
I’m not purposefully skimming around your post, I was just confused as to the difference.
Thanks for clearning that up.
But, in order for Obama to run for President, he would have to prove all this to the proper authorities, right? And it would have to be verified. So, do you think this wasn’t verified by the proper authorities whose job it is to do this?
Did John McCain release these documents to the press or to the public? Has any other person whose run for POTUS done that?
I think it’s really unfair to ask this of Obama considering he had to fill out the required documentation just like anyone else, based on nothing more than a rumor or right wing conspiracy theory.
Just because you feel or the press feels, or the super right wing people of the country feel that the State Officials in Hawaii were kind of circumspect, doesn’t mean it was so.
It’s real easy to create conspiracy theories based on a person’s dislike of a candidate. And if I were Obama or a staff member, I’d direct someone who asked just as they have.
getalife
March 26th, 2009
3:20 pm
Birthers are out.
Beckers are in.
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
3:26 pm
Bosch:
Regarding your 3:17.
Of course he/his campaign staff/attorneys verified the documentation for him to run but “only” with the “Certification of Live Birth” which I hope you can see by now has nothing to do with one’s actually birth location.
He “could” have been born in Kenya and still be a citizen. That is not the issue here as he is President and that is NOT going to change.
The point is “where” was he born and was there a deception during the campaign? I think the American people deserve an answer.
It could be cleared up immediately with a release of the actual Birth Certificate. Do you not find that a little odd?
mm
March 26th, 2009
3:26 pm
Nice try wingnuts. Israel bombed Sudan.
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
3:29 pm
Taxpayer:
I beg to differ with you on what the Constitution requires but lay that aside. The Federal Election Commission requires it and a lot of other things. I restate the point that he is now President and that is NOT going to change. However, I believe there is a “possibility” that the American people were deceived as to his physical place of birth.
By the way, I want to contribute to a plaque I am sure the U.S. Park Serice will want to place at a hospital in Hawaii stating “President Barack Obama was born here”. I wonder where that plaque is going to be or if it will ever be placed?
mm
March 26th, 2009
3:30 pm
Corporal,
No, we don’t find it odd. GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Copyleft
March 26th, 2009
3:31 pm
The answer: No, tinfoil-hat lunatics who call themselves “the American people” do NOT deserve an answer to every trumped-up charge they invent beyond the legal requirements for service in office.
To answer these ludicrous charges would give credence to the wingnuts and put him on the defensive, exactly where they want him to be. It would then be followed by further ludicrous demands in the form of “urgent questions that the American People need to know,” such as “Were your parents really married” and “What proof do you have that Islam was never mentioned in the school you attended”?
Such questions, with their obvious paranoid-hatred inspiration, deserve to be ignored… and that’s exactly what Obama has done. Just because you can dream up a stupid question doesn’t produce an obligation for the President to answer it.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
3:32 pm
Y’all wanna’ read something really funny…..
From Politico:
House Republicans are pressing for a change in federal law that could force Michelle Obama and future first ladies to do more of their policy work in public.
Thou shalt not regulate financial institutions that could take down our nation, but let’s regulate the First Lady.
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
3:33 pm
Copyleft:
Agree to disagree. Thanks for your input.
G
March 26th, 2009
3:38 pm
The birthers would just say the birth certificate was a fake anyway. They’ve already dismissed numerous other records, official and unofficial, while offering exactly ZERO evidence backing their absurd claim that President Obama is a foreigner.
It’s very obvious by now that the continued attempts to call President Obama’s eligibility into question are not in the pursuit of truth, but out of extreme dislike, if not hatred, of him.
Bosch
March 26th, 2009
3:38 pm
Corporal,
No, I don’t find that odd at all, and I don’t think there was any deception. His lawyers and the proper authorities say it’s okay, and that’s really all that matters.
So if it doesn’t matter where he was born, then why all the fuss? John McCain was born in Panama to U.S. Citizens, and even if Obama had been born in Kenya, he would still be a U.S. Citizen as well.
If your beef with him that he may have been born in Kenya but said he was born in Hawaii and then he would have lied?
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
3:39 pm
Mrs. Godzilla:
That’s very easy:
1) It’s not a private business.
2) First Lady’s are not elected to anything.
3) It’s taxpayer money.
4) It’s often politcal in nature.
5) The public has a right to know.
Wells
March 26th, 2009
3:43 pm
My mother was born in rural AL and doesn’t have a birth certificate. She has a live birth certificate (actually neither do any of her 15 other brothers and sisters)that her parents went and got well after she was born. Does this mean she can’t be POTUS? I would hate to have to destroy her dreams so close to the weekend.
BTW…I’m against amending the constitution to include naturalized citizens.
Bosch
March 26th, 2009
3:43 pm
And Corporal,
I have to agree with Copyleft, anyone can make trumped up charges about anyone, and no they don’t have to be answered.
I mean really, your whole problem with this is that you think there is a remote possibility that Obama LIED about WHERE he was born?
Waronxmas
March 26th, 2009
3:45 pm
To Corporal@3:39
Funny how those rules were never applied to Dick Cheney, or even Laura Bush. What is this right wing obession with not liking strong, intelligent, women.
@@
March 26th, 2009
3:46 pm
mm:
I was about to put that up here assuming that liberals would be more excited about blaming Israel instead of Obama.
The fact of the matter is, confirmation of “who” is lacking.
Who pulled off the reported attack and why? If reports of the scale of this attack are accurate, it would have taken more than a single unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) to pull it off, even the more heavily armed MQ-9 Reaper. The U.S. military operates out of Camp Lemonier in Djibouti, the base of operations for counterterrorism efforts in the Horn of Africa. Aircraft as large as the AC-130 gunship are thought to operate from there, though most of the presence there is thought to consist of CIA and special operations force elements. The Pentagon certainly has the assets in place to accomplish an operation like this.
It is a 600-mile flight down the Red Sea and the coast of Egypt before Israel planes could arrive at the Sudanese coast, and then get further inland for the actual strike. But Israel has aerial refueling capability and strike fighters capable of the inland leg that could then be refueled over the Red Sea before returning to base. Israel thus also certainly has the capability to do something like this.
Were any other countries’ airspace violated?
Why were the Egyptian authorities not notified? The decision to proceed with a direct strike that would take significant planning suggests that it was more important to destroy the convoy immediately than to trust the Egyptians with the intelligence.
Finally, this was not a strike of opportunity carried out by a UAV that happened to be in the area. As mentioned, if reports of the scale of the attack are accurate, refueling aircraft had to be in place and manned strike aircraft armed and briefed on the mission. Even on a contracted timetable, that takes actionable intelligence with significant longevity.
What was this intelligence and where did it come from?
Can you answer all those questions, mm?
Midori
March 26th, 2009
3:47 pm
Mrs. G,
think that’s funny?
take a look at this:
The Party of No (Ideas)
Republican leaders posted their “Road to Recovery” report online, and it’s more or less a joke. Apparently — I hope you’re sitting down — the minority party believes the nation will thrive if we cut taxes, stick with Bush’s energy policies, and pursue more deregulation. How much would this cost? They don’t say. How would this affect the deficit? They don’t say.
DNC National Press Secretary Hari Sevugan, not surprisingly, took a swing at the ball that Republicans set on a tee: “I’m all for changing the way we do business in Washington, but proposing a ‘budget’ that doesn’t use numbers may be too much for me. After 27 days, the best House Republicans could come up with is a 19-page pamphlet that does not include a single real budget proposal or estimate. There are more numbers in my last sentence than there are in the entire House GOP ‘budget.’”
The GOP was on the offensive, pointing to vulnerable points in the Obama administration’s agenda and pressuring center-right Democrats to break with their party. Now, they’re on the defensive, pretending to have credible ideas and presenting a bizarre “budget” with no numbers in it.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/20…
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
3:48 pm
Corporal
I don’t buy it.
It’s personal, and it’s cheezy.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
3:50 pm
Midori
I saw that…..Josh Marshall does his usual good job on that…..
Headline: GOP on Budget: We’ll get back to you.
He’s got video on it as well.
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
3:50 pm
Mrs. Godzilla:
Not if it is political which almost all of it is now.
Agree to disagree.
SuperDave
March 26th, 2009
3:52 pm
Copyleft at 3:31
Bodyslam!!!!
Nice Job.
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
3:57 pm
If Israel was involved, it was probably a test run for Iran.
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
4:00 pm
Jay:
Important question.
Are you blocking some of my posts?
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
4:03 pm
1) HAWAII CODE SECTION:
“[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”
2) Statement of Dr. Chiyome Fukino – Hawaii Department of Health:
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
Notice there is no mention of the “place of birth”.
@@
March 26th, 2009
4:07 pm
Corporal:
You could very well be right.
An alleged Israeli air strike in Sudan targeting an arms convoy destined for Hamas sheds light on Iran’s long-standing relationship with the regime of Sudanese President Omar al Bashir. That relationship, however, is likely to come under stress as al Bashir’s problems pile up.
Olmert’s response to the accusations? Minister Ehud Olmert responded “There is no point in elaborating … Whoever needs to know, knows.”
You’re a very easy going guy, Corporal. More patience than I, have you.
Be on the lookout. While you’re agreeable to disagree, they’ll come in through a proxy to declare victory over you as did Super Dave @ 3:52:
Copyleft at 3:31
Bodyslam!!!!
Nice Job.
That’s likely Copyleft, himself giving “his boy” the attas.
They really are a silly bunch.
Frederick Douglass
March 26th, 2009
4:18 pm
I know this is off topic, but are we still blaming the president for the stock market? If so, that little socialist has it up 1,160 pts.
since March 2nd. If someone doesn’t stop this guy, he’ll this economy
up and running by November, I hope he suceeds.,
Pogo
March 26th, 2009
4:23 pm
Just an observation here; when did the liberals become so intolerant of anyone that disagrees with them? By definition they are supposed to be “wide minded” and appreciate “diversified” opinions. The exact opposite is exposed on this blog day after day after day by the same few people. The ironic thing is, those same people rave on and on about how intolerant the “ultra conservative/rightwingers” are. If they would just take time for a moment of introspection, they would see that they have become what they claim to detest and therefore they are hypocrits. I don’t usually reference any one posters comments and I abstain from personal attacks but “G” at 1:06 said it all. That person basically said, “We don’t want to hear peoples opinions that are different than ours. This is our site and Jay is our leader (Sorry Jay, I know that must make you uncomfortable. It would me.)”.
As far as the topic at hand, this is a non-topic. My head tells me if a person is born elsewhere but becomes a legal citizen under the laws of our land, who gives a crap if they can run for president? It isn’t like being born here gives you some special quality that makes you a better president. BUT, if it is unconstitutional, then as far as I am concerned, it is a done deal. We should follow the constitution. I think our forefathers were a heck of a lot smarter than us.
Dusty
March 26th, 2009
4:24 pm
@@,
About the Sudan air strike and who did it…Strange!
In the first place, it happened in January and they are just talking about it.
Neither Israel nor USA are being definite about WHO did it. Israel said they would always bomb against terrorist threats. Sudan said they thought of USA and Israel as one.
The convoy was on Sudanese territory when attacked but supposedly headed for Egypt but thought to be for Hamas. The Sudan envoy to Egypt said he had not heard about any attack.
The convoy is said to have rockets and military supplies for Hamas. The Sudanese say the convoy was nothing but trucks full of civilians.
Sounds like somebody is trying to dig up something over two months old.
Most bloggers here are not interested. They prefer to praise Obama, repeat old stuff about Bush, insult conservatives and giggle over each other. They don’t even worry about the Constitution and do not want anyone to ask questions about Obama or even Michelle. THAT is not nice!
Anyway, if you find more info on this air strike, let us know. I am still trying to figure out why they are talking about it NOW.
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
4:26 pm
To @@:
I know …. but it amuses me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iVAvb5_oXY
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
4:39 pm
The Obama Budget
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/assets/fy2010_new_era/A_New_Era_of_Responsibility2.pdf
The GOP Pamphlet
http://www.gop.gov/solutions/budget/road-to-recovery-final
Heck it 15 pages longer than Paulson’s first bailout plan…..
Bosch
March 26th, 2009
4:49 pm
Pogo,
I guess you don’t read the conservative’s posts.
Corporal,
Again, so it doesn’t matter to you WHERE he was born, right? It’s just that he might have lied about it, or his mother might have lied about it?
@@
March 26th, 2009
4:53 pm
Dusty:
The bombing in Sudan sounds like a joint effort. Probably to put pressure on Iran. I don’t know what Israel’s plans are for Iran. I’ve always viewed Netanyahu as a reasonable man up to a point.
Ahmadenijad is like this little “pawn” on a great chess board. The professional players keep moving him around to suit their strategy.
Corporal:
You’re proud to fight your country’s battles…..GOT IT!
About a year and a half ago, my husband’s cousin was on target to go to Iraq to help train their military. He suffered a mysterious brain bleed which required surgery. His mother, while worried, was hoping it would keep him from going to Iraq. As a matter of fact, it was the first thing she said to him in recovery. It irritated him. He responded to her by saying “MOM, I know you love me but please try to understand…..I love what I do! There is honor in it’s purpose.”
Taxpayer
March 26th, 2009
4:55 pm
Corporal,
I checked and there is no wording in the Constitution that requires a document with a specific title or format for proof of citizenship.
Dusty
March 26th, 2009
4:55 pm
The question about a foreign born person becoming president does bring to mind several things.
Most of us know very fine people who were born elsewhere and are now USA citizens. OK..
But…there are some ways to become US citizens that take less than five years.
Consider, just for example, someone who lived most of their life in communist China but recently became a US citizen in less than 5 years. Perhaps this person is very smart, charming,eloquent and wishes to become President and has support.
If the law barring foreign born for President is changed, that person would have every legal right to become president. Would that be a wise move?
I think not. Too much time and influence has been spent in that person’s upbringing in an environment different from American. They may become very good citizens. But for President of the USA…NO. Do not change the present requirements for President of the USA.
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
March 26th, 2009
5:00 pm
Jay –
First, who cares about the ferners; we need to let W run again so that he can undue the 200 years of bad deeds that President Obama has done in 60 days. G-d bless President Bush; we need him now more than ever.
Mrs. Godzilla 4:39 pm
Paulson’s TARP program has takne on the patina in light of its apparent success and the dead fish flop that Tax-dodge Timmy and President Obama have delivered stillborn.
caz1158
March 26th, 2009
5:05 pm
Jay-This “Birth Certificate-Certificate of Birth” baby talk,reminds me alot of the “Broken Chad” baby talk of 8 yeras ago.You see what you Lib’s started!!!!!!!!!!
Midori
March 26th, 2009
5:05 pm
Wyld B,
I’ll admit that I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but are you a parody bit?
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
5:07 pm
Taxpayer:
Of course it doesn’t. The didn’t even issue birth certificates then. By you logic the Constitution doesn’t cover police searches of aircraft because planes didn’t exist then. The point is …. there are requirements to run for President from how you can raise your money to are you a U.S. citizen.
Bosch:
Again, you hit the nail on the head.
Obama is President and that is never going to change. The Supreme Court wouldn’t touch it even if there was a “technical question” as to his citizenship – and there isn’t – at least not now.
However, I believe there is at least a good “possibility” he was born in Kenya; if so the staff discussed it, they felt it would cost him votes (probably true) and therefor decided to conceal that fact.
That is all the point I am trying to make (and I think someday we will know for sure). We don’t now and if you were honest with me I think you would agree – we just don’t know.
To me that was wrong. The American people deserved to know. Deception then (if true) begets deception now in policy, etc. Old habits are hard to break.
Just one man’s opinion.
The Corporal is going on “patrol” now ….. seriously. I’m doing a “ride-along” with my police officer son tonight. I’ll check back late this evening if you want to continue the dialogue. If not, I enjoyed the exchange.
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
March 26th, 2009
5:07 pm
Parody? No way. What makes you say that?
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
5:08 pm
P.S.
Bosch:
Be sure to check out my 4:03. It was delayed awhile ………
Taxpayer
March 26th, 2009
5:14 pm
Corporal,
You have claimed to be one of those so-called strict constitutionalists so how do you resolve these little issues that are bound to arise such as the Constitution not spelling out the name and format of the document that proves birthplace. You are the one demanding a particular document with a specific title. Bibles were the most common place to record that information for many families for a very long time.
Davo
March 26th, 2009
5:14 pm
SA@Takimag – War and the Neoconservative Mind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP7DMwf6msc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Etakimag%2Ecom%2Fblogs%2Farticle%2Fwar%5Fand%5Fthe%5Fneoconservative%5Fmind%2F&feature=player_embedded
Taxpayer
March 26th, 2009
5:16 pm
Bad Boys Bad Boys What you gonna do What you gonna do when Corporal comes for you.
Dusty
March 26th, 2009
5:17 pm
@@..
I’ve always thought of Netanyahu as pretty hot headed, at least no pushover. But he wasn’t even prime minister in January ,was he?
I think the Sudanese President is still angry over being called a war criminal. I had not heard whether relief supplies to Darfur had started again after he angrily stopped them. Those refugee camps must be one big hell hole.
Last night there was a program on HIV in South Africa. Sounds like it is rampant and increasing. The health officials are fighting to control it. In one city alone, clinics had 900 people come every day for anti-viral drugs.
Out in the countryside, whole families of children were taking care of themselves. One family showed a 19 year old girl with a baby of her own, (and going to school) while being caretaker for 8 of her little brothers and sisters. They lived in a small mud hut. Seems children-led families are common out in little villages. The parents are dead from AIDs.
Some of these problems are almost unbelievable and hard to imagine. Government officials there are worried about the future generations of their country which will be mostly from these families without parents.
@@
March 26th, 2009
5:17 pm
Good luck to the EU! They’ve offered assistance to Ukraine in their efforts to renovate Ukraine’s natural gas network. Putin’s pithed.
I’m not sure they’ll succeed since efforts have stalled in the past, but I do enjoy seeing Putin in a predicament.
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
March 26th, 2009
5:19 pm
@@ 5:17 pm
How’s the husband doing?
Taxpayer
March 26th, 2009
5:27 pm
Clearly, the Republican Party needs a unifying figure to lead them through this dark time in their existence. Someone like Arnold. If only, they could get the Constitution changed…House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.) raised objections to an abbreviated alternative budget “blueprint” released today — but were told by House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) they needed to back the plan, according to several Republican sources.
Dusty
March 26th, 2009
5:30 pm
I know I am off subject and no interest shown but one more statistic about South Africa: one in five of all adults in South Africa are HIV-positive.
I Report/ You Whine
March 26th, 2009
5:34 pm
Like awesome goony warriors the libs they marched into combat, and in each of their idiot hearts they carried a song for they knew their fight was a righteous one, and as they joined with the enemy, there were great shrieks of hysteria and much hair pulling, turds were thrown to and fro, cans of spray paint were emptied, but, as usual, the moonbats threw down their feces and ran screaming from the battlefield, again succumbing to their inner surrender monkey-
Zeal for battle over bonuses waning in Washington
Got your as-ses whooped, did ya?
@@
March 26th, 2009
5:34 pm
Dusty:
My reference to Netanyahu was as things stand today. I’m pretty sure that I read that he is keeping Olmert on as Defense Minister. I wonder what happened to the corruption charges against Olmert?
The situation in South Africa has always been heart wrenching and sadly, a reoccurring situation. I don’t know what the solution there would be. Did you ever see the movie, “Blood Diamonds”?
I can’t recall the characters’ names but there was this African man who had, through extenuating circumstances gotten involved with Leonardo DiCapprio who was, for the most part, a greedy capitalist. Leonardo eventually had a change of heart and died trying to help the African and his son. The African guy told DiCapprio that he had great hopes for his country and its people. You could see it in Leonardo’s eyes, without a word being spoken….it’s a pipe dream. The people of Africa have always been exploited by their leaders and other nations. Africa has a wealth of resources that other countries drool over.
Other than divesting, I wish there was something more we could do. President Bush holds a special place in the hearts of the African people.
@@
March 26th, 2009
5:36 pm
WyldByll:
How’s the husband doing?
Super! and your wild thing? (ISH)
@@
March 26th, 2009
5:40 pm
…and Dusty? A little closer to home.
I was shocked!
cubalibre
March 26th, 2009
5:41 pm
LOL @ “Barack Obama could finally come clean about his REAL place of birth…” Good one, Jay– made me chuckle out loud.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
5:41 pm
Dusty
Have you seen this:
The rate of AIDS case in the District is around 10 time the US rate. Rate per 100,000 citizens US 15 and DC 170.
I helped tend a dear friend who died of AIDS, it must be 15 years ago. These numbers horrify me.
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
March 26th, 2009
5:42 pm
The position is open as I haven’t been able to find one with your intellect, insight, warmth, and humor.
And, while it can be fun to splash around in the Makena surf with a playmate or Sears catalog underwear model, it makes one feel hollow at the core without someone with whom you can shares thoughts.
Rush Limbaugh For President
March 26th, 2009
5:47 pm
Oh no…. I whine is back from recess. Tell your Mommy that you are blogging and getting after those liberal socialist pansies. Ruff, ruff… goony, idiot, moonbats… now are those the words of an adult. I think not.
You should be playing D&D with your friends…oh I forgot you don’t have any.
I Report/ You Whine
March 26th, 2009
5:49 pm
Hey, RL is verifying the correctness of my nickname, I Report/ She Whines.
I appreciate the confirmation.
Rush Limbaugh For President
March 26th, 2009
5:52 pm
She must be your mother. I’d whine too if you were related to me.
Rush Limbaugh For President
March 26th, 2009
5:53 pm
Enter your comments here
I Report/ You Whine
March 26th, 2009
5:59 pm
The gigantic and mighty Bruno, having been tossed out of her inevitable presidency and subsequently sent abroad by a total dunce, swells up, even more so than usual, and lets out a hysterical shriek at a madman-
“We have made it very clear that the North Koreans pursue this pathway at a cost and with consequences to the six-party talks, which we would like to see revived,” Clinton said.
“We intend to raise this violation of the Security Council resolution, if it goes forward, in the U.N.,” she said. “This provocative action in violation of the U.N. mandate will not go unnoticed and there will be consequences.”
eeewwww, I’ll bet he’s skeered.
And the Neocons laugh to themselves, hahahahahahaha.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
6:05 pm
ANdy,
Seventy-one percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Wednesday said they approve of how Clinton is handling her job as America’s top diplomat. Fewer than one in four disapprove
From CNN Yesterday.
Nothing personal, but I think Hillary could take you.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
6:08 pm
Let me be the first to type these words here:
The Foriegn Policy Initiative
(Kristol, Kagan, Senor – PNAC 2.0)
I Report/ You Whine
March 26th, 2009
6:11 pm
Duhzilla: I would prefer not engaging Communist China in another massive land war on the Korean peninsula but you go ahead and huddle close to your little fake poll and make believe that all is well, k?
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
6:24 pm
Andy,
My fake little poll? Not Engaging Communist China (really good Chinese food)? Land Wars on the Korean Penisula?
That’s not all.
I understand that both death and taxes are considering becoming avoidable. (Members of current Cabinet, House and Senate, members of the Georgia legislature, Corporations, for example)
Folks are fighting for the right to use money to buy true love and home grown tomatoes.
“Human Sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass Hysteria!”
Dr. Peter Vinkman
What exactly has she done that makes you so scared?
@@
March 26th, 2009
6:30 pm
Dusty:
Correction! It’s Ehud Barak that will be Netanyahu’s defense minister.
All these weird names begin to get jumbled up.
@@
March 26th, 2009
6:33 pm
WylldByll:
Well there’s always this pipeline for surfin’.
I Report/ You Whine
March 26th, 2009
6:45 pm
Shooting off her fat mouth?
This is not like henpecking billy boy.
@@
March 26th, 2009
6:46 pm
Dang! Obama is sending another 4,000 to Afghanistan. He’s supposed to make known his policy for dealing with the insurgency there. This part was interesting:
An official said today that Obama’s planners thought they had about 12 months to show measurable progress in Afghanistan before public support would wane and the policy turn into a Democratic-Republican political issue. The planners fear the war could become an election issue as the mid-term Congressional elections in November next year draw near, and that Congress might be increasingly reluctant to fund the strategy.
So it’s all about the politics? That’s kinda tacky…
@@
March 26th, 2009
6:47 pm
Sahwee! He’s supposed to make his plans known tomorrow.
@@
March 26th, 2009
6:56 pm
What is wrong with this site, jay? Why do posts disappear when I hit the refresh button?
Could you explain
or fix.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 26th, 2009
7:01 pm
“Why do posts disappear when I hit the refresh button?”
Dude. Refresh Gremlins. You didn’t know?
Bosch
March 26th, 2009
7:02 pm
Corporal,
If you return, thanks for clearing that matter up for me. I thought all along the the “birthers” (you have to admit that’s kind of funny) were all up in arms because they thought Obama wasn’t a citizen.
I didn’t keep up with all that while it was happening.
But if you think he was lying and possibly still is, that’s your choice. I did read your 4:03 and all that tells me is that the state official verified his birth certificate along the proper channels. Again, if you think the state official is covering something up, then whatever. I don’t think Obama and his staff were in on some secret plot to deceive the voters.
lwwmm7
March 26th, 2009
7:02 pm
Does nobody remember what happened to the great Russian war machine in Afgan land?
@@
March 26th, 2009
7:04 pm
DB:
I did know, but for cryin’ out loud!!! there should be a solution to the problem.
lwwmm7
March 26th, 2009
7:05 pm
And yes, I do know how to spell Afghanistan.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 26th, 2009
7:08 pm
lwwmm7, if you hum a few bars… I think the next line’s something like
“Oppressed so hard they could not stand…”
DB, Gwinnettian
March 26th, 2009
7:10 pm
@@, yeah, it’s pretty sucktacular sometimes. I’m sure it’s on some IT person’s to-do list. (did you ever submit a specific “Tell us what you think about the site” bug report in the field at the bottom of this page?)
lwwmm7
March 26th, 2009
7:11 pm
but the hash they make is oh so grand,
G
March 26th, 2009
7:12 pm
Whoa Nelly, it looks like the Rushpublicants may finally have a budget plan.
They are proposing a tax cut for the wealthy at a rate that has not been seen since 1925-1931.
The Top U.S. Marginal Income Tax Rate of 25% on Taxable Income of $100,000 or more.
See for yourself: http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php
@@
March 26th, 2009
7:13 pm
I did, DB.
@@
March 26th, 2009
7:16 pm
Make that Yes, DB, I did.
G
March 26th, 2009
7:29 pm
Hey Rushpublicants:
Been there. Done that.
Let us know when you have something applicable to the 21st century.
@@
March 26th, 2009
7:50 pm
Can someone tell me what this is on the ram’s behind — the one on the left?
Looks like a tumor.
getalife
March 26th, 2009
7:50 pm
Since Americans spoke out on legalizing weed today, Ahnold will for Californnia to attract revenue, increase tourism and save money on prisons.
DebbieDoRight
March 26th, 2009
7:55 pm
Californication and Corporal: Man, you guys need a lllllooooonnnngggggg vacation!!! Maybe somewhere on a beach with guys in little teenie briefs and bulging muscles. Oh, and the guys will have these large……eyes, that peer right through you. AND they’ll have these super long ……. words to use when they speak to you. Yeah……you guys need a vacation. On a beach. With a bunch of buffed out guys. Named Dave. With a long mane of dark brown and/or black hair and these piercing green eyes!! Oh, and he h as to have a walk that’ll stop traffic a mile away and a smile, WOW a smile that’ll make the sunlight jealous. Yeah, you guys need a vacation. With Dave. I always liked the name Dave.
Whew…….I think I’ll go grab a glass of wine. Be right back!!!
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
7:57 pm
….can you hum a few bars…..
ha ha hahahah haha
thanks
DebbieDoRight
March 26th, 2009
7:58 pm
@@ it’s his super sexy new look. All the really fabulous rams/goats are wearing it these days.
G
March 26th, 2009
8:01 pm
The Radical Right-Wing Obama-Haters; Who Aren’t They and What Don’t They Know? Yes…You Read it Correctly!
http://immaginedigitalimag.newsvine.com/_news/2009/03/25/2601717-the-radical-right-wing-obama-haters-who-arent-they-and-what-dont-they-know-yesyou-read-it-correctly?threadId=537837&commentId=6171715#c6171715
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
8:02 pm
It’s a funny night…the GOP Budget
From TPM:
Late Update: Ezra Klein calls it his favorite “budget” ever:
If you’re having a bad day, I highly encourage you to spend some quality time with the Republican budget proposal. It’s reads like what would happen if The Onion put together a budget. “Area Man Releases Proposal for 2010 Federal Spending Priorities.” (Though, to paraphrase William F. Buckley, it turns out that I’d prefer a federal budget written by an area man than the first six names on the House Republican Leadership roster.) …
The threat going around the Capitol is that some impish Democratic chairman will ask the CBO to try and score the Republican proposal.
ha ha hahaha hahaha choke hahahahah
DebbieDoRight
March 26th, 2009
8:04 pm
OK back to the point of the blog, I personally, would not care to change the requirements for president. Someone who has that much power in his/her hands; should be refined to being US born citizens. That way, we can trace everything they’ve ever done back to their conception — so if there’s any insanity that runs in the family we’ll catch it.
getalife
March 26th, 2009
8:09 pm
gop counter budget?
It has no numbers in it?
Awkward.
G
March 26th, 2009
8:12 pm
Holy Moly, I’m watching video of Boner releasing the Rushpublicant budget plan. The first question he gets: Mr. Boner, where are the numbers, where are the details?
Keith Olbermann just called it the fudge it plan.
Seriously, if there are any Rushpublicants on here who can defend your party using full complete sentences, do so now. If not, get off and go do some real heavy lifting by working on your party. It’s in its death throes. The party of Lincoln is bankrupt – morally, intellectually, and fiscally.
Honest Abe would be ashamed.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
8:15 pm
Getalife
It has pictures! And of the 19 pages 3 or 4 are pretty title pages!
De-stimulate and give tax breaks to the highest earners!
Oh do you say “stay the course” in hip-hop republican?
G
March 26th, 2009
8:23 pm
Whatever George Hoover Bush had was apparently catching.
G
March 26th, 2009
8:30 pm
I wonder what Paul Krugman will think of the newly released Rushpublicant Fudge It Plan.
Midori
March 26th, 2009
8:34 pm
G and Mrs. G,
as someone said, that budget looks like it was written by The Onion.
funny as hell!!!
did you see this? Olbermann just showed it: http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/03/43_gets_heel_heat_on_raw.php
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
8:37 pm
From the Great Orange Satan….
Some things the GOP Budget left out.
(WATRNING: DO NOT DRINK – Serious Spitting risk)
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/3/26/713426/-The-Party-of-Ideas-Introduces-Serious-Immigration-and-Education-Plans
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
8:39 pm
WARNING WARNING WARNING
Sven, get in here and type this for me!
G
March 26th, 2009
8:42 pm
And I just noticed Corporal’s 4:00 post, I mean this night just keeps getting funnier and funnier.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
8:44 pm
G and Midori
Have you seen Think Progress’s push back on BOR?
Check it out and send an e-mail. Sponsors are starting to respond.
G
March 26th, 2009
8:48 pm
And this, folks, is what passes these days in this country as an opposition party. It seems like the Grand Obstructionist Party is again a day late and a dollar short.
There they go! Little brown pieces swirling in the bottom of the political commode just before they make their rapid exit from the scene.
Swoosh! They’re gone!
G
March 26th, 2009
8:53 pm
Mrs. G,
Email sent.
Dusty
March 26th, 2009
8:54 pm
Laugh on, dear liberal hearts. When the debts of this country finally drown you, and the nurses aide does your surgery, and there are no banks any more ’cause there’s no money, and no insurance ’cause the government owns everything including your home hovel…I hope you will still be as happy and as goony as you are tonight. What a bunch of loons. Wonder if they can walk in the marsh and swallow minnows!! Loons swallow anything that’s fed to them!
_______________
@@ and Ms Godzie,
I saw a program on the health problems in D.C. Nothing surprises me about Washington and D.C. anymore. Maybe the new CDC director will hop on that. New ones always jump on a special big problem. Do we have a new director yet? I have not heard of one. Bush sent millions to Africa to fight AIDs but it is such an extensive epidemic.
ConservativeAnchor
March 26th, 2009
8:57 pm
Excellent post to generate Liberal nittwittery.
There is no way that the natural born requirement will be changed.
Will never happen.
G
March 26th, 2009
9:01 pm
Michael Steele, a laughingstock in charge of a laughingstock – makes sense to me.
G
March 26th, 2009
9:04 pm
Just when I thought the GOP couldn’t go any lower, they surprise me yet again. At this point, they remind me of a bunch of juvenile frat boys attempting to impress each other with stupid tricks.
What really scares me is that these bozos were in power for the past 8 years, and it took a national crisis to uncover their true nature. Unfortunately for us, we’ll have to suffer the damage they’ve caused for a long, long time.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
9:08 pm
…ha ha hahahah hahah….25% tax bracket for richest ….hahahah
snort,,,hohohoh ho
G
March 26th, 2009
9:09 pm
I wonder if poor Sarah Palin has found anyone to pray with her tonight…
Midori
March 26th, 2009
9:10 pm
lol – everyone is laughing at the Republican budget
PILE ON!!!
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
9:11 pm
G thanks….spread it around….
mike
March 26th, 2009
9:11 pm
Pogo:
“Just an observation here; when did the liberals become so intolerant of anyone that disagrees with them?”
Don’t judge liberals by the silly comments made by the intolerant and ignorant partisans on this blog. There are plenty of intelligent and tolerant liberals out there. They just don’t hang out on this blog.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 26th, 2009
9:12 pm
Cantor walked out….
G
March 26th, 2009
9:16 pm
Mrs. G,
Cantor left to go on tour with Britney.
G
March 26th, 2009
9:17 pm
Budget with no numbers. Sounds a lot like the $1 Trillion 2 1/2 page bailout plan, with the no-questions allowed disclaimer, authored by Hank Paulson.
You know you need math to do science; Rushpublicants don’t like science . . . is it because they can’t do math?
G
March 26th, 2009
9:20 pm
GOP’S Budget Planning Agenda
1. Opening Prayer to Rush
2. Talk about Tax Cuts for the Rich
3. Complain about Obama kicking our butts
4. More Tax Cuts for the Rich
5. Watch Madonna Video
6. Break for Spray Tan session
7. Have Pork Sandwich for lunch
8. Tax Cuts – redux
9. Adjourn and then complain to the media about the Dems plan
Group photo:
http://www.mooseburger.com/camp/images/1999.jpg
G
March 26th, 2009
9:21 pm
In the infamous words of Donald Rumsfeld ” Who knew.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBb1kMnP8ek
G
March 26th, 2009
9:23 pm
Mapquest “Rushpublicant Road to Recovery”
Down to the corner. Turn HARD RIGHT.
Cross “The Bridge to Nowhere”.
Park. Whine.
G
March 26th, 2009
9:29 pm
Well, so many years spent finding “just-like-me folks” to suit their base rather than thinkers–oops, elitists–who could solve problems will get you just that, vacant looks and pictures of windmills. Funny, I wonder if they realized the “tilting at windmills” connection…
I Report/ You Whine
March 26th, 2009
9:33 pm
yawn
Midori
March 26th, 2009
9:43 pm
darn
Midori
March 26th, 2009
9:46 pm
lawn
Taxpayer
March 26th, 2009
9:55 pm
It’s so easy to bash Republicans right now that it just isn’t worth the bother. You guys go lick your wounds.
rcs
March 26th, 2009
10:07 pm
yawn, darn lawn.
rain
grow
mow
Joe Matarotz
March 26th, 2009
10:18 pm
At first glance, I thought this was something autobiographical about Jay. I misread it as Unleash the Goober. My bad.
Here is a case where I do agree with newsboy. Change the requirement to United States Citizen.
Dusty
March 26th, 2009
10:19 pm
I do wish liberals here would go about writing children’s books.
You libs could give Dr. Seuss a run for the money. Your imagination is great and your mentality is right on kindegarten level.
Do keep up the levity. It is entertaining. Kinda like the zoo. But, at least, you don’t use teleprompters while posting this trash. Maybe you should. You too can be PRESIDENT!
Good night all. Sweet dreams, lil’ kiddies!
SuperDave
March 26th, 2009
10:38 pm
Man, y’all are a hoot. Got to be some drinkin’ and postin’ going on here. Thanks for the entertainment. I got to stay home from work more often.
jon
March 26th, 2009
10:53 pm
If Republicans are the party of no ideas, the Democrats are the party of bad ideas.
The good news is that the Obama administration is going to make all of us millionares. The bad news is that a loaf of bread is going to cost $800.
Meanwhile, Hillary (not realizing that her appointment was just to get her out of the country) is on the world-wide apology tour. Of course she is right about the US funding the drug business in Mexico.
There is a solution that helps on both fronts. Legalize marijuana and tax it. The O-man just raised the tax on cigarettes by 2 cents a cigarette, what if the government picked up a buck or two on every joint and blunt consumed in the country?
Peter
March 26th, 2009
10:56 pm
Come on now folks at least we have a President in office that will stick to the Constitution, and not rip it to shreds !
BP
March 27th, 2009
12:50 am
Bad boy Jay. Teasing those poor folks about birth certificates. Lots of fun though. The requirement for Natural born citizen should NEVER be lifted for any reason or anybody period.
I Report/ You Whine
March 27th, 2009
5:41 am
Is that all the libs can say about our budget ideas is “no?”
No, no, no, it’s all they, uh, know.
ew
Mrs. Godzilla
March 27th, 2009
5:52 am
Andy….
your budget…. tooooo funny…..
Taxpayer
March 27th, 2009
6:47 am
Budget ideas from Republicans. All I see are white pages. Is it supposed to be a new phone book or what.
Bud Wiser
March 27th, 2009
7:02 am
The absolute shallowness of the leftist liberal minds is indeed to small to measure.
I give you as evidence the childish postings last evening of G, Midori, and Mrs Godzilla. G and Midori are so, so predictable, and their lack of intellect shows with virtually every post, but Mrs G, I must say I am a bit disappointed in you joining the kindergarten circus and dimwitted repertoire of the other two.
You are generally above that.
I also hope some sanity returns to Washington when it comes to voting on this budget, but I doubt it. There certainly hasn’t been any so far.
And Taxpayer, I liked your comment about the ‘phone book’. Perhaps it is more a compilation of liberals that can be trusted, or liberals with integrity, or liberals with fresh new ideas that actually make sense, and not to be outdone, Republicans that actually consider themselves conservatives.
G
March 27th, 2009
10:38 am
Oh now, Bud the unwise one,
Please don’t get started on intellect, which is a subject you know nothing about.
Why not discuss the Rushpublicant not-a-budget instead? No intellect in it whatsoever.
HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!
ESR
March 27th, 2009
12:37 pm
Lot’s of Obama supporters on this blog are either the type workers that sit and do nothing all day and their co-workers carry the load or they’re government workers. If you do the math and count the number of post they post and the frequent times they post, there’s no way they’re working at the job. No wonder they love Obama Socialism. They sit on they’re ever expanding backsides while someone takes up the slack. A pure example of a government loving liberal. Sweet.
Chaz
March 27th, 2009
12:42 pm
Jennifer Granholm can’t run for President? What a shame, considering the ’success story’ Michigan has been for the last… oh, never mind.
David S
March 27th, 2009
1:27 pm
Obama wasn’t born here and look at what he is doing to our country. Naturally a washed up actor, socialist, conservative wannabe, member of the communist Kennedy clan would be the perfect president. Just remember, Austria gave the world Hitler too.
Is is too hard to get behind someone who supports sound economic principles and the constitution?? Why does everyone have to be a celebrity?
Just Nasty & Mean
March 27th, 2009
1:43 pm
Now, there’s a great idea. Let’s free up the Constitution so that the governors of two of the most dysfunctional states in the union, California and Michigan, so that they can puck up the nation at large.
Thank God the constitution saved us from having to deal with these obvious-to-all incompetent buffoons.
You lefties never seem to amaze me at the contortions you are willing to go through to screw up the USA. Great thinking Jay