Unleash the Gubernator!

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger told reporters yesterday Tuesday that he didn’t face the pressure some Republican state legislators faced in pushing through a necessary tax increase because unlike the legislators, he wasn’t going to be running for anything.

Did that mean he would not challenge Barbara Boxer for her U.S. Senate seat?

“When I say I’m not running for anything, that’s exactly what I mean . . . until you change the Constitution.”

Should we change the Constitution? Not specifically for Arnold, but for others as well. Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, for example, was born in Canada and is ineligible. We take a lot of very smart, talented people out of the candidate pool with that native-born requirement, and for no rational reason that I can think of.

And as a bonus, once the Constitution is amended, Barack Obama could finally come clean about his REAL place of birth. Right guys?

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oldmac

March 26th, 2009
1:01 pm

That’d open the door for George. Soros to be Pres. -kind of like he already is.

JM

I Report/ You Whine

March 26th, 2009
1:03 pm

It didn’t stop the current “president.”

Yes, Bookman, let’s just get rid of all the borders in the world and become one with the Islamic cut throats and other goons who have made their own countries such delightful places to live.

(Why would anyone from abroad want to run such a sorry country as the United States anyway? I mean, we are pigs and racists and greedy, blah, blah, right?)

Cherokee

March 26th, 2009
1:04 pm

lol

good one Jay

and I agree with you

BTW, what is it about George Soros? I know right wingers live in an alternate universe, but what is their obsession with him?

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
1:04 pm

Jay:

You brought it up ! I have three questions for you. They all can be answered yes or no.

1) Did the State of Hawaii release Obama’s “Certification of Birth” document (note: this is not a birth certificate)?

2) Under Hawaii law, could a child have been born out of the United States and receive such named certificate (if his mother had lived in Hawaii for one year prior)?

3) Did the State of Hawaii release Obama’s “Birth Certificate” (note: this document – unlike the “Certification of Birth” document – shows additional information including the hospital of record and attending physician)?

G

March 26th, 2009
1:06 pm

Off topic

The following is addressed to, well, you know who you are.

This blog belongs to Jay Bookman. Now Jay is known to be quite liberal. Therefore, one would expect his commenters to be liberal as well. Why would you conservatives come here instead of going to Jim Wooten’s blog? Do you think you’re going to change the minds of people here? Dream on.

What I have gathered from many of you is that you feel you should be able to insult anyone whenever the urge strikes, without repercussions. Well, I’m informing you now, it doesn’t work that way. I never attack anyone without provocation. But I will NOT sit back and be attacked and say nothing.

In other words, if you can’t take it, don’t dish it out.

I Report/ You Whine

March 26th, 2009
1:07 pm

The world has already passed us by anyway-

The United States wouldn’t even be eligible to enter the European Union if it wanted to because of its debt levels, Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) claimed Thursday.

All of the failed idiotic Euroweenie ideas that we know don’t work, does that stop us from making the same mistake?

I Report/ You Whine

March 26th, 2009
1:09 pm

Nice crying jag G.

It’s all about you, isn’t it?

oldmac

March 26th, 2009
1:13 pm

Pay attention now IR/YW-

George Soros funds Moveon.org.
Moveon.org is the modern day home of the socialism/communism movement in the USA. (sister org to ACORN (home of the best nuts).

Like you didn’t know.

MN

oldmac

March 26th, 2009
1:15 pm

Oops, this ones for you Cherokee…

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
1:16 pm

Mr. G:

I agree “if” you are attacked personally ….. but not because you just don’t like the debate/answers from a conservative poster. That’s an important difference.

G

March 26th, 2009
1:19 pm

Yes, Jay, naturalized citizens are as American as the next person. Keeping that in mind, when it comes to monetary issues, naturalized citizens and citizens alike play the same role, but regarding the presidency, the rules are changed.

I don’t think it’s fair at all.

Jay, we all know President Obama was born in Ireland.

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
1:20 pm

Coming soon to a solar system near you. No planet is safe.

“The Debt Star”

debtstar.jpg (52KB)

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
1:26 pm

Jay:

What are your thoughts on a “Constitutional Convention” ? Just curious.

Mrs. Godzilla

March 26th, 2009
1:31 pm

Birthers……he he he he he he

Eric

March 26th, 2009
1:31 pm

Any rule that prevents Jennifer Granholm from running for another office is a good thing.

Taxpayer

March 26th, 2009
1:32 pm

Shhhh. Jay, you are not supposed to let that little secret out. You know what effect it might have on some people.

mm

March 26th, 2009
1:32 pm

Poor Corporal, still hung up on the birth certificate crap.

Do you think this is where the wingnuts get their nuttiness?

I'm Scared!

March 26th, 2009
1:39 pm

Right on, Eric!

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
1:39 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RRLLaq2VM8

Gee Whiz – it reminds me of the background music in the old Cowboy and Indian movies …………..

Bosch

March 26th, 2009
1:42 pm

I don’t think that’s a good idea – I say keep the law like it is.

Bosch

March 26th, 2009
1:44 pm

Jay,

We’ve already had one Governor/Actor from California as Prez – I don’t think we need another, and besides, I really just don’t think Arnold is all that smart.

Dave

March 26th, 2009
1:44 pm

You’re still here. After I heard about all the layoff at the AJC, I figured you’d be no more. Maybe next round… it’s going to be hard for you to figure out how to make money at what you do without some rag like the AJC around to publish it…

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
1:45 pm

To my liberal friends:

1) The answers to 1:04 are Yes, Yes, No.
2) Will the actual “birth certicate” ever be released. I doubt it.
3) Will we ever know for sure where he was born. I doubt it.
4) If we were to find out he was born in another country and therefore on a “technicality” not a U.S. citizen, would the Supreme Court ever rule he is not President. No. They don’t want to start a civil war and I don’t blame them.
5) So why would it have mattered during the electin “if” (and I say “if”) he was born in Kenya.
6) The American voters deserved to know. It’s just that simple.

Rush Limbaugh

March 26th, 2009
1:46 pm

Should we change the Constitution? Hummmm…You could make a pretty good argument that some immigrants are better Americans than some folks born here.I’m not to keen on changing the Constitution but I’d listen.

Just in…..”Let me be clear,” Geithner told the committee. “The days when a major insurance company could bet the house on credit default swaps with no one watching and no credible backing to protect the company or taxpayers must end.”

Kamchak

March 26th, 2009
1:48 pm

A Constitutional Convention would be letting the genie out of the bottle. Once it is out, there is no limits to where it might go.

G

March 26th, 2009
1:48 pm

I find it interesting that naturalized citizens are typically more faithful voters, interested in politics, and the state of the country. I know I have made a very general statement, however, I have friends who are naturalized citizens. We who were born and grew up here tend to be a bit more complacent.

I’m sure there are naturalized citizens who are more apt to have our country’s best interests at heart, rather than some ninth generation American who can quote his ancestors all the way back to the rich landowners who stepped off the Mayflower.

But not Arnold, seriously, not Arnold.

Rush Limbaugh

March 26th, 2009
1:50 pm

Corporal….

Put down the end of the world is near sign and get over the birth certificate thing.Obama is the President.

I know you are not paranoid but someone might be watching you.

Bosch

March 26th, 2009
1:50 pm

Corporal,

Why don’t you go to the White House web site where Obama is blogging today and ask him where he was born, then will you move on past this birth certificate thing?

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HEY!!! Did y’all know that if you put your cursor over an emoticon a little box will pop up telling you what to type? My mother would be so proud of me for learning this – I’ve got to give her a call.

Truth

March 26th, 2009
1:50 pm

Unlike Jay and many other libs, real Americans country first! Someone who is from another country just can’t have the true blood love for America that is needed to put America first!

Logical Dude

March 26th, 2009
1:50 pm

I say that if you are a naturalized citizen for 35 years, then that is in line with a minimum age of 35 to qualify to be president (for those born in the States).
Of course, the “born in the States” could reflect the fear that someone would rule favorably to their birth country. I don’t see how that is much different than the current haphazard way in which we give nations “most favored” status.

Bud Wiser

March 26th, 2009
1:51 pm

I for one could care less if a future President were born on Mars, if he was deemed fit for the job. Voting for the ‘anti-Bush’ is about the least intelligent and informed reason one could vote at all.

BUT, there is this little document known as the Constitution, and it is quite specific. Since it is the very foundation for our system of government, and was designed with specific purposes, unless it is trashed or amended, it pretty well rules the roost.

I will not go into specifics as to why foreign born persons should never be eligible, except to explain to the incredibly ignorant something that even they might understand, such as an allegiance to a foreign country or ethos, or worse, obligations to such that may be felt or coerced into being fulfilled by the power of the presidency. Enough said about that.

One can speculate about many more relevant things, such as:

… how long until the economy collapses,

…or the US dollar is revalued to equate to something worth less than, say, a sheet of toilet paper,

…or the Arabs play real hard ball and shut off the oil to make our economy fold, with no self-dependent sources of oil, or new energies that have yet to be developed,

…or just how poor a bowler Obama really is.

As for Arnold, he needs to make one more Terminator movie before age destroys his physique any further.

Booooooring………

Californication

March 26th, 2009
1:52 pm

Cherokee, the thing with Soros is he is a convicted criminal that has destroyed the monetary systems of several countries and now ours. He has been banned in several countries for illegal monetary fund activity and convicted here in the US for tax evasion and fraud. But you people on the loonie left have embraced his destructive activities and Clinton gave him a pardon so he could come back to the US to defeat Bush. Soros is the main backer for the lying piece of dog dirt that is now president.

Bosch

March 26th, 2009
1:54 pm

Logical Dude,

Yeah, and then you have someone like George W. Bush who was the President and he did such a stand up job. :roll:

Mrs. Godzilla

March 26th, 2009
1:55 pm

Cherokee

Soros is the liberal version of Richard Melon Scaife.

Interesting characters both!

Taxpayer

March 26th, 2009
1:56 pm

Normally, I’d say that making more changes to the Constitution, as our founding fathers intended, to accomodate foreign-born folks, with educations especially, within our system of governance would be a good, progressive thing to do. However, we would need to be careful such that we don’t open the door for just anyone. The next thing you know, folks like Cagle or Sanford or Palin might get it in their heads that they should be qualified for the high office and that just would not do. ew.

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
1:56 pm

Kamchack:

Agree.

Rush Limbaugh:

Yes he is and that is not going to change. See my 1:45 specifically #’s 5&6. If you think the American voters did not deserve the right to know I would like to her your opinion as to why. Let’s keep out debate polite. We have the right to our opinions.

Bosch:

He and his staff were asked on numerous occasions during the campaign. They would only point to the “Certification of Birth” document and would NEVER specifically answer the question. Do you not realize how quickly this could be put to rest with a simple certified copy of the actual “Birth Certificate”.

DB, Gwinnettian

March 26th, 2009
1:59 pm

“I say that if you are a naturalized citizen for 35 years, then that is in line with a minimum age of 35 to qualify to be president (for those born in the States).”

My take as well. However, amending the Constitution is (and should be) a PITA so I doubt this requirement will change in my lifetime.

DB, Gwinnettian

March 26th, 2009
2:01 pm

“Soros is the main backer for the [expletives deleted] president.”

Cite, please.

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
2:02 pm

HEADLINE: US deploys warships as North Korea prepares to launch missile …

Marines! Standby to repel boarders !

AmVet

March 26th, 2009
2:03 pm

Negative, Houston. Negative.

Keep your filthy collective hands off of that sacred document.

No amendments to allow foreign-born peeps to run the country.

No amendments especially for the paranoid homophobes.

No amendments for the sanctity of marriage morons.

None, Nada. Zip.

Leave it the hell alone…

Bosch

March 26th, 2009
2:03 pm

Corporal,

Question: when a person runs for office, don’t they have to properly identify themselves, fill out paperwork, etc? You know, like the first time you get a driver’s license.

I would think they do – at least I hope they do.

@@

March 26th, 2009
2:04 pm

Oh heavens No!!! California is bankrupt. Why would we want Arnold to run things….

Never mind! I’ll make this short, jay. Tell Arnold that Obama has beat him to the punch. By the time the next presidential election rolls around, there’ll be no money to waste — the entire country will be bankrupt.

Sorry Arnie.

Bosch

March 26th, 2009
2:06 pm

AmVet,

Well said.

Mrs. Godzilla

March 26th, 2009
2:08 pm

birthers…hee hee hee

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
2:11 pm

Bosch:

Sure they do. And sometimes there is a block to check and you provide a copy of your birth certificate and that’s it. Sometimes there is a requirement for a top secret clearance and then you have to:

1) One – check the box
2) Provide a “certified copy” of your “birth certificate”
3) An investigator has to go and “see” (verify) that copy with the State/County involved. I often did just that.

Bottom line: Anyone can say anything. It has to be verified.

Now, please do me the personal favor of answering my question.

In the case we are discussing, it would be so simple to release the actual “Birth Certificate” vs. just the “Certification of Live Birth”. This has not been done.

Do you have a opinion as to why?

G

March 26th, 2009
2:12 pm

Mrs. G @ 1:31,

I know. Birthers are quite comical.

‘Mkay, here we go again.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-obama-ad-03-dec03,0,3124041.story

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
2:13 pm

HEADLINE: Obama Cautious On Job Creation …

Crawfishing as fast as he can go …….. oh, it was so simple during the campaign …….. having all the answers ……. promises, promises.

Taxpayer

March 26th, 2009
2:15 pm

Dang. Now @@ is on to our master plan. Well, now that the “cat is out of the bag”, our plan all along has been to fix the economy and implement changes to insure that the Republicans can never screw it up again. To that end, we will make certain that they have no money available just in case they ever manage to get a foothold in the federal government again. Clever, huh. Most foreign countries have already signed an accord to never loan money to another conservative (Republican). So, that should take care of things.

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
2:15 pm

GOOD FOR HIM !

(CNN) — “In a statement that’s sure to disappoint many of those who submitted questions to President Obama’s virtual town hall meeting, the president made clear Thursday he does not support legalizing marijuana as a means to spur economic growth.”

Credit when credit is due. I call ‘em like I see ‘em. Chalk one up in his corner.

Taxpayer

March 26th, 2009
2:18 pm

Ooh. Ooh. I know why. Call me. Call me. It’s because there is no Constitutional requirement for such a proof of birth.

Dan

March 26th, 2009
2:19 pm

The person claiming the US wouldn’t be allowed in the EU, Americas debt to GDP ratio is better than 5 of the top 10 EU banks and when compared to G8 coutries only the UK and Russia have better ratios. And I hardly think anyone would care to trade economies with Russia (even today)
Should we be concerned yes, but the facts are we are still in a far better situation than most of the world. and don’t get started on china if their growth continued on the same path and ours stopped dead in the water (neither of which will happen) they would take about 18 years to catch us

RW-(the original)

March 26th, 2009
2:22 pm

If Arnold and Jennifer were allowed to run and ran against each would they share a slogan?

Let me do to the whole United States what I did to California/Michigan

Too bad the current office holder will have already done it for them.

Later!

Taxpayer

March 26th, 2009
2:25 pm

And remember the good that Bush and the Republicans have done for family values — there has NEVER been a better time to buy the inlaws a house…or vice versa. So, take advantage of this once in a lifetime opportunity so you too can have a happy thought when you tell your children of the Bush years. Do it for the children.

@@

March 26th, 2009
2:27 pm

So who knew that Obama ordered an airstrike inside Sudan, killing some 30 “innocents?”

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
2:33 pm

To G:

Thanks for posting that document, but it is the “Certification of Live Birth” (see the title on the document) and not the “Birth Certificate”.

Please post a copy of the “State of Hawaii Birth Certificate” and you will here no more on the subject from me.

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
2:36 pm

Taxpayer:

Are you arguing with me or Jay? The gist of his thread is that there is such a requirement and therefor should the Constitution be Amended? I that is wrong, I will stand corrected.

SaveOurRepublic

March 26th, 2009
2:36 pm

While the “Austrian Oak” is one of the greatest bodybuilders & actor film stars to ever live, he’s been an atrocious “Govenator” IMO. He’s a Neocon/RINO/”Rockefeller Republic”, and would be an equally terrible POTUS. In any event, the Constitution should NOT be amended to allow foreign born as POTUS. On that same line of though, Globalist shill “Bacrock Obuma” needs to come clean on his birth origin. The fact these various documents haven’t been produced is highly questionable (at best) & proof that he’s not Constitutionally qualified to serve as POTUS (at worse).

Redneck Convert

March 26th, 2009
2:37 pm

Well, us GA rednecks ain’t got a leg up on many people in this country. We ain’t book-learnt and we don’t have fancy titles. And there ain’t many rednecks born with a II or III or IV after their name. And you won’t find many with a big pile of cash in the bank. We don’t wear suits. Except for one we bought at WalMart and wear to church on Sunday.

But leastwise we’re Real Americans. We were born here. That’s the reason why the Republican Party is so proud of having us in their midst. And that’s more than the carpet baggers from other countrys can say. I say keep these foreign people with the big schooling and all kind of business success out of the White House. Now I know we thought we had one of our own in the White House when Jimmy Carter got elected. We flocked to the polls to vote for him. And he turned out to be the most worst kind of librul you could find. Same thing with Bill Clinton.

So I’m awful glad this Arnold Whatshisname won’t never get to be elected President. A fellow that can’t speak even halfway decent Southren got no business leading this country. And I say the same goes for this Obama. Me and alot of my buddies still think he was born in Africa somewhere and sneaked into this country by his Mommy and then bribed somebody to say he was born in Hawaii.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

Bosch

March 26th, 2009
2:38 pm

Corporal,

So you think that his birth certificate was never verified or not verified through the proper channels?

I’m not trying to avoid your question, I’m just a little confused – for one thing, I don’t know what the difference between a “birth certificate” and a “certificate of live birth?”

I know anybody can say anything without proof, like “Obama was born in Kenya and is not a U.S. citizen.” ;-)

Mrs. Godzilla

March 26th, 2009
2:40 pm

birthers….hee hee hee

Taxpayer

March 26th, 2009
2:41 pm

Corporal,

You clearly lack an understanding of my post.

BDAtlanta

March 26th, 2009
2:42 pm

GOP Budget Proposal: Massive Tax Cut For Wealthy

Under the Republican plan, the top marginal tax rate would be slashed from 35 to 25 percent, facilitating a dramatic transfer of wealth up the economic scale.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/26/gop-budget-proposal-massi_n_179598.html

What is it with Republicans and tax cuts?

Me me me me me me me me me. That is all you folks know. Pay yer damn taxes just like everyone else. Can you do that?

Jeez. I’ll be over here banging my head against this wall for the rest of the day. I want to know what itr feels like to vote Republican.

Copyleft

March 26th, 2009
2:45 pm

Ooooh, I see. It’s not a “birth certificate,” it’s a “certificate of birth.” And that’s not the same thing at all! It’s not proof of legal U.S. citizenship or anything…

Except, of course, that it is. And that the Constitution says nothing about what specific forms of citizenship documents are needed anyway, let alone the exact wording of “Birth Certificate” on the title. It doesn’t even specify a font, fer pity’s sake! How lax can you GET???

Jezz, tinfoil-hat brigade, get over it already. You’ll just have to find Obama actually doing something WRONG if you want to get rid of him. But don’t worry–you can still hate him for no reason for the next eight years. No law against that.

Bosch

March 26th, 2009
2:47 pm

Mrs. G.,

You’re funny.

Copyleft

March 26th, 2009
2:47 pm

As for the actual TOPIC…

I see no problem with removing the “natural-born citizen” requirement. Anyone who comes here and swears to uphold the Constitution is already a better American than most conservatives.

SaveOurRepublic

March 26th, 2009
2:51 pm

**Correction on my initial entry ^ – Arnie’s one of the greatest action film stars (not “overall” greatest actors).

ESR

March 26th, 2009
2:55 pm

Obama wouldn’t be fit for President if he was born in the White House while his mother was on a tour of the place. Are we sure his mom actually married his father? Stranger things have happened I suppose, a first for everything ?

Bosch

March 26th, 2009
3:00 pm

ESR,

“Are we sure his mom actually married his father”

And that’s relevant because……………..?

Face it. You just hate the man. Just admit it and move on.

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
3:03 pm

Bosch:

You are being very reasonable here and I appreciate that. However, it appears you have only been skimming my previous points so I will try it carefully one more time:

1) A “Certificate of Live Birth” is what is called a “covering document”. It is a separate document from an actual “Birth Certificate”.

2) The first document (Certificate of Live Birth) merely states the person was “born” in Hawaii. However there is something in the law called a “legal fiction” and that is what this document “can be” depending on the circumstances. At that time one could get that document whether you were “physically born” in Hawaii or not. There was a provision in the law (you can look it up or I will provide it to you) allowing a mother to have a child overseas but if she had lived in Hawaii for one year prior she could come back and apply for and receive that document for her child.

3) The second document (Birth Certicate) contains much more information including the name of the hospital on Hawaii, the attending physician, patental information, length & weight of the child, etc., etc.

4) The first document has been released and was posted by “G” at 2:12 above. The second document has not been released.

5) State of Hawaii officials were very circumspect in their release of the document. In effect, they merely said ……. here it is – it speaks for itself. They would not disclose even verbally the contents of the “Birth Certificate” nor even state which hospital he was born in.

6) My point is …. this could all be cleared up with a simple release of the “Birth Certificate” by Obama/staff.

7) My question to you again is what could be the possible reason for not releasing this document ?

@@

March 26th, 2009
3:06 pm

?!?What?!?

No outrage for Obama authorizing a bombing inside Sudan?

Those 30 “innocents” didn’t matter?

That’s interesting.

Joey

March 26th, 2009
3:06 pm

Based on Arnold’s performance as Governor of California, how could he expect to win a primary or the nomination of any party for any position. He was given an opportunity, admittedly a tough one. He misfired. More than once.

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
3:06 pm

To Copyleft:

You need to read my posts. This has nothing to do with the “wording” on the document. There are two (repeat two) different documents. One has been released….the other has not. It’s not hard to understand that whether you disagree with me or not.

Taxpayer:

Regarding your 2:41 it wasn’t intentional. Please provide clarification and ask me again ……… if you wish.

Mrs. Godzilla

March 26th, 2009
3:07 pm

Bosch

It ain’t me it’s the general foolishness…..
Everytime I think about the birthers…..hee heee heee

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 26th, 2009
3:07 pm

I’m for leaving the Constitution the way it is.

@@

March 26th, 2009
3:10 pm

My question to you again is what could be the possible reason for not releasing this document ?

To which Bosch answer….

“I don’t know. That’s why I told you to blog with President Obama at his townhall meeting. Maybe he can tell you.”

or something to that effect.

@@

March 26th, 2009
3:12 pm

will…..put a “will” where appropriate.

Hillbilly Deluxe:

I do so love a man of few words.

Taxpayer

March 26th, 2009
3:15 pm

Corporal,

The Constitution does not require the specific format of proof of birthplace that you are requesting. Obama has met all the requirements for the Office of the Presidency and he is under no obligation to you or anyone else to disclose any additional information. Of course, you could always push for a change in the Constitution just in case you think that the founding fathers erred in their original requirements. How ’bout it.

Bosch

March 26th, 2009
3:17 pm

Corporal,

I’m not purposefully skimming around your post, I was just confused as to the difference.

Thanks for clearning that up.

But, in order for Obama to run for President, he would have to prove all this to the proper authorities, right? And it would have to be verified. So, do you think this wasn’t verified by the proper authorities whose job it is to do this?

Did John McCain release these documents to the press or to the public? Has any other person whose run for POTUS done that?

I think it’s really unfair to ask this of Obama considering he had to fill out the required documentation just like anyone else, based on nothing more than a rumor or right wing conspiracy theory.

Just because you feel or the press feels, or the super right wing people of the country feel that the State Officials in Hawaii were kind of circumspect, doesn’t mean it was so.

It’s real easy to create conspiracy theories based on a person’s dislike of a candidate. And if I were Obama or a staff member, I’d direct someone who asked just as they have.

getalife

March 26th, 2009
3:20 pm

Birthers are out.

Beckers are in.

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
3:26 pm

Bosch:

Regarding your 3:17.

Of course he/his campaign staff/attorneys verified the documentation for him to run but “only” with the “Certification of Live Birth” which I hope you can see by now has nothing to do with one’s actually birth location.

He “could” have been born in Kenya and still be a citizen. That is not the issue here as he is President and that is NOT going to change.

The point is “where” was he born and was there a deception during the campaign? I think the American people deserve an answer.

It could be cleared up immediately with a release of the actual Birth Certificate. Do you not find that a little odd?

mm

March 26th, 2009
3:26 pm

Nice try wingnuts. Israel bombed Sudan.

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
3:29 pm

Taxpayer:

I beg to differ with you on what the Constitution requires but lay that aside. The Federal Election Commission requires it and a lot of other things. I restate the point that he is now President and that is NOT going to change. However, I believe there is a “possibility” that the American people were deceived as to his physical place of birth.

By the way, I want to contribute to a plaque I am sure the U.S. Park Serice will want to place at a hospital in Hawaii stating “President Barack Obama was born here”. I wonder where that plaque is going to be or if it will ever be placed?

mm

March 26th, 2009
3:30 pm

Corporal,

No, we don’t find it odd. GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Copyleft

March 26th, 2009
3:31 pm

The answer: No, tinfoil-hat lunatics who call themselves “the American people” do NOT deserve an answer to every trumped-up charge they invent beyond the legal requirements for service in office.

To answer these ludicrous charges would give credence to the wingnuts and put him on the defensive, exactly where they want him to be. It would then be followed by further ludicrous demands in the form of “urgent questions that the American People need to know,” such as “Were your parents really married” and “What proof do you have that Islam was never mentioned in the school you attended”?

Such questions, with their obvious paranoid-hatred inspiration, deserve to be ignored… and that’s exactly what Obama has done. Just because you can dream up a stupid question doesn’t produce an obligation for the President to answer it.

Mrs. Godzilla

March 26th, 2009
3:32 pm

Y’all wanna’ read something really funny…..

From Politico:

House Republicans are pressing for a change in federal law that could force Michelle Obama and future first ladies to do more of their policy work in public.

Thou shalt not regulate financial institutions that could take down our nation, but let’s regulate the First Lady.

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
3:33 pm

Copyleft:

Agree to disagree. Thanks for your input.

G

March 26th, 2009
3:38 pm

The birthers would just say the birth certificate was a fake anyway. They’ve already dismissed numerous other records, official and unofficial, while offering exactly ZERO evidence backing their absurd claim that President Obama is a foreigner.

It’s very obvious by now that the continued attempts to call President Obama’s eligibility into question are not in the pursuit of truth, but out of extreme dislike, if not hatred, of him.

Bosch

March 26th, 2009
3:38 pm

Corporal,

No, I don’t find that odd at all, and I don’t think there was any deception. His lawyers and the proper authorities say it’s okay, and that’s really all that matters.

So if it doesn’t matter where he was born, then why all the fuss? John McCain was born in Panama to U.S. Citizens, and even if Obama had been born in Kenya, he would still be a U.S. Citizen as well.

If your beef with him that he may have been born in Kenya but said he was born in Hawaii and then he would have lied?

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
3:39 pm

Mrs. Godzilla:

That’s very easy:

1) It’s not a private business.
2) First Lady’s are not elected to anything.
3) It’s taxpayer money.
4) It’s often politcal in nature.
5) The public has a right to know.

Wells

March 26th, 2009
3:43 pm

My mother was born in rural AL and doesn’t have a birth certificate. She has a live birth certificate (actually neither do any of her 15 other brothers and sisters)that her parents went and got well after she was born. Does this mean she can’t be POTUS? I would hate to have to destroy her dreams so close to the weekend.

BTW…I’m against amending the constitution to include naturalized citizens.

Bosch

March 26th, 2009
3:43 pm

And Corporal,

I have to agree with Copyleft, anyone can make trumped up charges about anyone, and no they don’t have to be answered.

I mean really, your whole problem with this is that you think there is a remote possibility that Obama LIED about WHERE he was born?

Waronxmas

March 26th, 2009
3:45 pm

To Corporal@3:39

Funny how those rules were never applied to Dick Cheney, or even Laura Bush. What is this right wing obession with not liking strong, intelligent, women.

@@

March 26th, 2009
3:46 pm

mm:

I was about to put that up here assuming that liberals would be more excited about blaming Israel instead of Obama.

The fact of the matter is, confirmation of “who” is lacking.

Who pulled off the reported attack and why? If reports of the scale of this attack are accurate, it would have taken more than a single unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) to pull it off, even the more heavily armed MQ-9 Reaper. The U.S. military operates out of Camp Lemonier in Djibouti, the base of operations for counterterrorism efforts in the Horn of Africa. Aircraft as large as the AC-130 gunship are thought to operate from there, though most of the presence there is thought to consist of CIA and special operations force elements. The Pentagon certainly has the assets in place to accomplish an operation like this.

It is a 600-mile flight down the Red Sea and the coast of Egypt before Israel planes could arrive at the Sudanese coast, and then get further inland for the actual strike. But Israel has aerial refueling capability and strike fighters capable of the inland leg that could then be refueled over the Red Sea before returning to base. Israel thus also certainly has the capability to do something like this.

Were any other countries’ airspace violated?

Why were the Egyptian authorities not notified? The decision to proceed with a direct strike that would take significant planning suggests that it was more important to destroy the convoy immediately than to trust the Egyptians with the intelligence.

Finally, this was not a strike of opportunity carried out by a UAV that happened to be in the area. As mentioned, if reports of the scale of the attack are accurate, refueling aircraft had to be in place and manned strike aircraft armed and briefed on the mission. Even on a contracted timetable, that takes actionable intelligence with significant longevity.

What was this intelligence and where did it come from?

Can you answer all those questions, mm?

Midori

March 26th, 2009
3:47 pm

Mrs. G,

think that’s funny?

take a look at this:

The Party of No (Ideas)

Republican leaders posted their “Road to Recovery” report online, and it’s more or less a joke. Apparently — I hope you’re sitting down — the minority party believes the nation will thrive if we cut taxes, stick with Bush’s energy policies, and pursue more deregulation. How much would this cost? They don’t say. How would this affect the deficit? They don’t say.

DNC National Press Secretary Hari Sevugan, not surprisingly, took a swing at the ball that Republicans set on a tee: “I’m all for changing the way we do business in Washington, but proposing a ‘budget’ that doesn’t use numbers may be too much for me. After 27 days, the best House Republicans could come up with is a 19-page pamphlet that does not include a single real budget proposal or estimate. There are more numbers in my last sentence than there are in the entire House GOP ‘budget.’”

The GOP was on the offensive, pointing to vulnerable points in the Obama administration’s agenda and pressuring center-right Democrats to break with their party. Now, they’re on the defensive, pretending to have credible ideas and presenting a bizarre “budget” with no numbers in it.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/20…

Mrs. Godzilla

March 26th, 2009
3:48 pm

Corporal

I don’t buy it.

It’s personal, and it’s cheezy.

Mrs. Godzilla

March 26th, 2009
3:50 pm

Midori

I saw that…..Josh Marshall does his usual good job on that…..

Headline: GOP on Budget: We’ll get back to you.

He’s got video on it as well.

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
3:50 pm

Mrs. Godzilla:

Not if it is political which almost all of it is now.

Agree to disagree.

SuperDave

March 26th, 2009
3:52 pm

Copyleft at 3:31
Bodyslam!!!!
Nice Job.

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
3:57 pm

If Israel was involved, it was probably a test run for Iran.

Corporal

March 26th, 2009
4:00 pm

Jay:

Important question.

Are you blocking some of my posts?