Gov’t, capitalism need each other

Capitalism has been very. very good to me. With a little intelligent regulation it might also be very, very good for my kids. Without it…
bye-bye middle class and bye-bye USA.

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Well, it looks like pretty soon Bookman won’t have nobody left on his blog that ain’t been banned. Some people are just too good at egging people on till they blow up. Anyhow, I figure what with AJC Commie and Chad gone this blog will be lucky to have maybe 15 posts. Pretty soon we’ll be seeing bumper stickers that say Honk If You Been Banned by Bookman.

Anyway, me and my buddy Jim Earl and Joe Bill were talking about this tax stuff down at Billy Bob’s last night and we decided things are upside down right now. They charge the lowest rate for people that don’t make much money anyway. You can go broke real fast that way. No wonder the guvmint is in debt so much.

So we decided we ought to just flip the tax rates. Charge the rich people maybe 10% tax and the poor people something like 36%. That will give all the lazy bums a good reason to work harder to get a break on taxes. Pretty soon we’d have a whole bunch of people walking around and looking happy and telling everybody they went down to the 10% bracket and never had it so good in their life.

Besides, us Conservatives beleive the rich people are just better than the rest of the scum. They need to pay less taxes as a kind of reward for being so good. They are rich because God is rewarding them for being so much like Him. But no, the guvmint got to sock them with higher taxes and let the lazy bums off light. I know My President tried to do something about this kind of thing with his tax breaks but the system’s still upside down.

Matter of fact, we ought to make a reverse tax for rich people. The richer they get the more the guvmint pays them just for the priviledge of having them live here.

Anyhow, it’s pretty clear this Obama is the AntiChrist for wanting to tax rich people more. He’s going against God’s Will.

So that’s the kind of deep thinking you can get when three good old boys get together over a PBR or five or ten. I know there will be lots of people on this blog that will agree with the idea.

Have a good day everybody.

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Ooh! Ooh! I know. Let’s go back to a time when housing was affordable and people lived within their means. I wonder if these people even know about AIG and their bonuses. Somehow, I bet they have heard about the economic crisis though. Just call it a hunch.

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Herb K.

I think Gov’t is wasteful and inefficient. If we could fix that we might have the best of both worlds. If it were as simple as you think we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in right now.

Convert
Good riddence to AJC Communist. It didn’t take much to spin him out of control.

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He’s not a socialist or a capitalist. Why, he’s a…
To be fair, the Teleprompter also telegraphs “words” that were written by “speechwriters” as a means of assisting the President to “explain” stuff “clearly.” Before the advent of the Teleprompter, a President might have to “read” his remarks from “notes” written on “paper.” Obama, however, apparently likes to face forward while reading the speeches he gives, like a bleeped Bolshevik.

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Yes. He is trying to boost guv’mint. Just look at that $3.6 trillion budget that will destroy even more jobs with cap-n-trade, nationalized healthcare, etc. Obozo is a nitwit.

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Bravo, Jay, Bravo!

And Bravo also to Senator Byron Dorgan, Democrat-North Dakota. Smart man.

This video is from 1999.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veAOoQEy0PI

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Drat!!! One day, one day, I WILL get all five answers in the “Find Five” game. I was THIS close today.

Been saying for weeks that Obama is trying to get capitalism up and running again – and just like any economic of political system, you need the some of both – pure systems are unheard of and do not work.

Good article Jay.

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Hey guys – Obama is blogging today at the White House’s website.

Ken and Conservative Anchor and the other wingnuts – why don’t you go over there to call him Obozo and Presbo (although I kind of like that one) or President Teleprompter, or any of the other pet names you have for him.

Obama is answering your questions today – why don’t you go over there and ask him these things yourself, or just plop down some of your comments.

I’m sure he’d get a kick out of it!

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Taxpayer,

I’d rather enter my comments in the comment box. Thanks for asking though.

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Bosch,

It cuts out the middle man when you enter the comments directly like that.

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Ken

I began to feel sorry for my great-nephews six years ago.

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Dan,

A little reading from FactCheck:

So who is to blame? There’s plenty of blame to go around, and it doesn’t fasten only on one party or even mainly on what Washington did or didn’t do. As The Economist magazine noted recently, the problem is one of “layered irresponsibility … with hard-working homeowners and billionaire villains each playing a role.” Here’s a partial list of those alleged to be at fault:

The Federal Reserve, which slashed interest rates after the dot-com bubble burst, making credit cheap.

Home buyers, who took advantage of easy credit to bid up the prices of homes excessively.

Congress, which continues to support a mortgage tax deduction that gives consumers a tax incentive to buy more expensive houses.

Real estate agents, most of whom work for the sellers rather than the buyers and who earned higher commissions from selling more expensive homes.

The Clinton administration, which pushed for less stringent credit and downpayment requirements for working- and middle-class families.

Mortgage brokers, who offered less-credit-worthy home buyers subprime, adjustable rate loans with low initial payments, but exploding interest rates.

Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, who in 2004, near the peak of the housing bubble, encouraged Americans to take out adjustable rate mortgages.

Wall Street firms, who paid too little attention to the quality of the risky loans that they bundled into Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS), and issued bonds using those securities as collateral.

The Bush administration, which failed to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage-backed securities market.

An obscure accounting rule called mark-to-market, which can have the paradoxical result of making assets be worth less on paper than they are in reality during times of panic.

Collective delusion, or a belief on the part of all parties that home prices would keep rising forever, no matter how high or how fast they had already gone up.

Read the whole thing here:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html?rel=link

This piece is simple and succinct, I’d suggest the Time Magazine list also.

Would hate to have you miss a Period.

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Jay:

Reading between the lines of your article I truly sense you are “whistling in the dark” and even you with your wisdom and intelligence are worried (but will never admit it) that we have a serious four year problem with a dangerous “runaway” President. Moderate Democrats are starting to realize this.

The Tsunami is coming ……….

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Shorter Jay: Behold, a President who can walk and chew Nicorette at the same time. Refreshing, huh?

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DNC attack ad circa 2010

No narration whatsoever….

30 seconds of images of these tent cities with stats re: foreclosures, personal income stagnation, job losses, etc. over the past 8 years.

Tag Line (white letters over a black screen):

This is what 8 years of Republican government will get you.
America can never risk putting them back in power again.

If they run an ad like this in every close House and Senate race in ‘10, the Dems will have gains comparable to or surpassing the gains they made in ‘06 and ‘08.

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Corporal

Why don’t you form your on militia move out into the woods and miss the comming Tsunami?

On the other hand if you don’t think we just got hit by a Tsunami of greed and incompetence then you won’t feel the one that’s coming.

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The problem that I see is the same as it has always been – too many people trying to blame everyone but themselves for the problems, and everyone thinking that their ideas are the only ones that will work.

Unfettered greed has caused much of this mess – greed on the parts of the banks making the loans, the loan officers telling people how to get them, and greed on the part of the homeowners who wanted to buy so much more house than they could afford in order to impress the Jones’ of the world.

Socialism is a complete failure wherever it is in place, so that is not an option either – Regulated Capitalism,while possibly an oxymoron, is a necessary evil in today’s world. That being said, we must all learn to at least get along enough to solve these problems that we are facing, regardless of ideology.

An arguement that if you are think Obama leans more towards the extremes of the left than to the center it means you necessarily believe that education and healthcare reform are unwanted initiatives is as false as one that states if you are for Obama it means you want a complete collapse of America and the rise of a New World Order.

There are issues that need to be addressed, problems that need to be solved, and rifts that need to be healed – Sadly, as long as we have to choose sides – Either everyone should have a flame thrower and two grenade launchers or no one can have any weapon for any reason; either you can have late-term abortions, or morning after pills are murder; we should either provide a lifetime of government support to those who won’t help themselves or all hand outs are evil; We should let any and everyone come to this country legally or illegally, or we shouldn’t let anyone in – we will never get anything solved.

I tend to lean more conservative on most issues, but that doesn’t mean I can’t understand others perspectives – what happened to that concept? We need to not be so blind as to not see the mess that Bush made on many issues, but also not so blind as to see that he did some things right – Obama will be the same….

We need to get rid of career politicians in Washington, on both sides of the asle, and get fresh ideas from fresh Americans, and run all of the lobbyists out of Washington on a rail. Until then, it will always be as it is now – in-effective, unproductive, and generally a mess.

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Yeah, G, that will work for 2010, but if this economy is still in the tank in 2012 (a every likely scenario with Hope & Change as President and a Democrat Congress in charge), that can be turned right around in 2012.

And Jay, I actually agree with your headline, even if I don’t agree with the rest of your drivel.

Government needs capitalism to fund their excesses.

Capitalism needs government to go away and die.

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But Mrs. Godzilla:

“Can you imagine anybody submitting an incredibly important and
transformational budget and not anticipating having it messed with?”

From your own party? Heresy to go against the Messiah!

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Major line storm heading your way. It got ugly down here last night,

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oldmac,

Why were you waiting in the DMV line if you don’t mind me being nosey?

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Abolish the payroll (a.ka. FICA) tax. Simple really.

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Jethro

Excellent post. Naught plus naught equals double naught.

Corporal…. I am beginning to believe your thinking is out there in the ether. Lots of spiritual and metaphorical stuff and there is a place for that but you offer nothing practical or tangible.

You sound like the guy on the corner holding the sign “THE END IS NEAR.”

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Ahahahahahahaha-

CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) – Want government assistance? Just say no to drugs.

Lawmakers in at least eight states want recipients of food stamps, unemployment benefits or welfare to submit to random drug testing.

Party’s over, deadbeats.

bwahahahaahahahaha

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Mrs. G, reading your own stuff lately? That would explain your “whacko” comment earlier.

And Bosch, I’m suggesting that the FEDERAL government needs to go away completely, except for the Constitutionally-mandated functions originally conceived by the Framers. In essence, and certainly in today’s view of government, it would die.

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Without government, the conservatives (Republicans) would have to rely on techniques developed by my ancestors to communicate — smoke signals. Smoke signals were discovered quite by accident one cold winter morning while a young and inexperienced brave, wrapped in blanket, stood too close to the fire. His fellow warrior’s attempts to extinguish him by throwing more blankets on him and pulling them off to check on his condition created a timed sequence of short puffs and long puffs. This first sequence of puffs of different lengths also laid the ground work for what would later become known as the morse code. It was the standard form of communication for years over the telegraph road…until that fateful day when Watson was summoned with the spoken word. The wonders of capitalism could finally be spread around the world, by voice.

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Cybil at 10:10,

I don’t know anyone on welfare. I take it you do.

By the way, are you calling people who have been layed off “deadbeats”?

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The liberals lending a helping hand to the capitalists-

Dear Sir: Ya’ll should have the balls and come clean and give back the bonuses. I know you would never do this so the gov’t ought to take you out back and shoot everyone of you crooked sonofb****es…I would be very careful when I went out side. This is just a warning. If I were ya’ll I would be real afraid. Thanks, Bill.

Clinton?

We will hunt you down. Every last penny. We will hunt your children and we will hunt your conscience. We will do whatever we can to get those people getting the bonuses. Give back the money or kill yourselves.

All the executives and their families should be executed with piano wire around their necks — my greatest hope.

Aahhh, yes, “hope.”

Yes we can!

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DB,

These are truly desperate times when one need focus so much on the method of delivery rather than the delivery itself. Then again, what else does a conservative (Republican) have to bring to the table.

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Taxpayer

Could we still order an 18″ Manhattan Classic with extra mushrooms via smoke signal? How about egg foo young and spring rolls?

Smoke signals would make on-line bill payment an opportunity to roast hot dogs and marshmallows!

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I guess this blog doesn’t like links to… mp3s, maybe?

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Bosch, you need to read more carefully. Having a Federal government scaled back to it’s Constitutionally-mandated responsibilities would not mean that we would no longer be a country. It would mean that each state, and more importantly, each individual would have much more power than they do today, and I’m more than willing to live under THAT type of government than the one we have now.

And Mrs. Godzilla, you’re treading dangerously close to being as dense as G is. The government that Jay and everyone else on this blog is talking about is the FEDERAL government and it’s ROLE in regulating business. If you go back to what the Framers originally intended for the Federal government to be, they would not be in the business of regulating business.

Now start paying attention, and we can have an intelligent discussion, rather than the sniping you and your fellow libs love to do when faced with the possibility of defending your side with logic and facts.

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“Take a stroll down to the Section 8 parts of Clayton County …”
You got that right. Only, if your gonna stroll then you better have some heat with ya.

I hope all this ‘weather-proofing’ nonsense Obama keeps throwing out isn’t made of copper, otherwise only the scrap metal dealers will turn a profit.

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Dave R

We were paying attention. That’s what’s got your jockey pants in a wad right now.

Please expand on your theory that the Framers would not have regulated
business. We’d love to see your data on that!

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Mrs. G.,

The United Counties of Georgia? That doesn’t sound right, does it?

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Ooooh, I sense someone trying to be a bigger bully than usual this morning. Maybe someone peed in his Cheerios.

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Hell, maybe he peed in his Cheerios.

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Let’s shoot this whole “GOP has no plan” thing down right now.

I’m assuming that most, if not all, of the posters on this blog have not served in an elected capacity on any governmental body in their lifetime. I have. I have served as both a member of the minority and a member of the majority, so I have experience in both sides of governing as well.

Now, when you are in the minority, as the GOP is in D.C. right now, there is only so much you can do and only so much energy you can afford to use, therefore you have a choice:

A. Spend lots of time coming up with an alternative plan that is going to go nowhere, given that Pelosi and Reid are in charge.

B. Throw as many roadblocks in the way of those plans that DO have a chance to pass both houses.

The GOP is wisely doing the latter right now.

Now, I’m sure I’ll hear all the gnashing and wailing from the libs who will say something like, “But they’re supposed to lead and provide an alternative to the Democratic plan if they ever hope to be in power again”. Maybe so, but not right now. This is NOT an election year. Alternative plans are not needed in this environment right now. Next year, maybe. Right now, the best thing the GOP can do is try to slow things down, because to try to implement anything else would be a waste of time.

The best thing the GOP can do is vote NO whenever possible, and if ever back in power, continue to vote against bigger government if they learned their lesson.

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Helping capitalism, aahhh, yes-

Before its portfolio of bad loans helped trigger the current housing crisis, mortgage giant Freddie Mac was the focus of a major accounting scandal that led to a management shake-up, huge fines and scalding condemnation of passive directors by a top federal regulator.

One of those allegedly asleep-at-the-switch board members was Chicago’s Rahm Emanuel—now chief of staff to President Barack Obama—who made at least $320,000 for a 14-month stint at Freddie Mac that required little effort.-Chicago Tribune

Piano wire, huh?

Huh?

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I seem to remember some of you had mentioned Matt’s blistering RS piece.

I heard him interviewed by WNYC’s Brian Lehrer last night (I tried to link a podcast, didn’t happen.) Frankly I’ve held off reading the piece because I’m not actively trying to get angry about this… but…

a taste:

The most galling thing about this financial crisis is that so many Wall Street types think they actually deserve not only their huge bonuses and lavish lifestyles but the awesome political power their own mistakes have left them in possession of. When challenged, they talk about how hard they work, the 90-hour weeks, the stress, the failed marriages, the hemorrhoids and gallstones they all get before they hit 40.

“But wait a minute,” you say to them. “No one ever asked you to stay up all night eight days a week trying to get filthy rich shorting what’s left of the American auto industry or selling $600 billion in toxic, irredeemable mortgages to ex-strippers on work release and Taco Bell clerks. Actually, come to think of it, why are we even giving taxpayer money to you people? Why are we not throwing your ass in jail instead?”

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I report/You whine

The more you post the more you expose yourself. So what do you propose be done with all those people in Sec. 8 housing?

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A powerful troll army.

aka, the little farts.

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To: G @9:06 am – Bravo on that post. I think most of the Conservatives who post here would loves to see this country go back to the days of Lords and Serfs. What most of them don’t realize is that they would also be Serfs since I’m sure they are not in the top 1% of income earners. They would like to go back to the days of work houses and debtors prisons. Some even want to go back to 1776 and talk to George Washington about our economic crisis of today. In fact the whole problem with the Republican Party is they live in the past. They are afraid of technology, science, equal rights, etc. Some want to spend money we don’t have on drug testing those already hurting (Do they know what testing cost? It’s so expensive that a lot of private sector jobs cut out random testing). They love any wedge issue, like drug testing and abortion, that comes along which makes no sense because they only make us take our eyes off what the rascals are really up too. The Republican Party knows that if we the people are fighting about Gays and Lesbians, immigration or who is patriotic we won’t be watching them. They know their constituency is just stupid. They are no longer in power for these and many other reasons and will stay out of power if they don’t change their ways.

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Ms Godzilla
Great list, hard to argue that any of those do not share some blame. although most folks are screaming about greedy rich people so I applaud you for your more well rounded approach. However, at the end of the day if the borrowers made better decisions, the other items would not matter at least not as much. When an adult says “they told me I could afford it so it’s not my fault I couldn’t” I have little sympathy.

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“After all, 85 House Republicans — almost half the GOP caucus — bowed to populist sentiment last week by voting in favor of taxing AIG bonuses at 90 percent. That idea began to die only when Obama stepped in to say he didn’t think it was wise or necessary.”

That’s silly Jay. You are either ignorant, or stoking the outrage with populism, just like our elected officials. I really can’t tell which. If it’s the former, please be informed that passing a punative tax on a handful of people is about as unconstitutional as it gets. Almost all members of Congress are lawyers. They knew that. The 85 GOP members you mention were jerking us around, just like the rest of them. And then you claim Obama stopped it when it was a straw dog in the first place? So which are you, Jay? Ignorant, or taking us for chumps like our elected officials?

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Budunwiser,

>>G, are you auditioning for the idiot known as Chad?<<

I was going to, but then you spoke and I realized very quickly that role was already taken.

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Simple stuff, Bosch. Please direct your attention to Section 8; the role of Congress:

Section. 8.

Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Clause 2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

Clause 3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

Clause 4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

Clause 5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

Clause 6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

Clause 7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

Clause 8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

Clause 9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Navy;

Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Clause 17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, byCession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;–And

Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

As you can see, Congress is very limited in what they are authorized to do. Very limited. Clause 3 specifically gives them the ability to regulate Commerce BETWEEN other nations and states, but that DOES NOT give them the authority to regulate commerce wholeheartedly.

Clauses 10-18 deal specifically with defense of this nation – fully half of Congress’ role is clearly defined to provide for defense, the other half are largely monetary in nature.

But NONE of them allow for the regulation of business at the Federal level.

Thus ends your first Constitutional lesson. I’ll be back with your next lesson requested by Mrs. G on the Framers intent once I break out my hardcover copy of the Federalist Papers.

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Billy,

Thank you.

I’m sure you’ve noticed the inferior quality of trolls on here. And they seem so, oh I don’t know, is angry the word? I certainly would not hang around a place where others made me so furious.

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Whiner, please calm down and drink a glass of water.

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Yeah, Bosch, their role is to OBSTRUCT right now. Stop the bleeding so that the patient won’t die. Throw as many monkey wrenches into the works to keep Hope & Change and his merry band of Socialists from destroying this country once and for all.

And joining the government doesn’t mean I was accepting what they did. I fought very hard to remove ordinances that didn’t make any sense (and succeeded) and ultimately reduced the size of the government I served.

So, what’s your point?

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Observer,

Somehow that moniker just doesn’t suit.

I call for a balance, I did not call for just one. That’s what has
gotten us in this mess.

Please read again, and this time, try to comprehend.

Or maybe this is beyond your grasp?

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Dave R.,

But Obama isn’t a Socialist. So that kind of thwarts your opinion.

And the GOPers may feel that they are protecting the country by throwing up these roadblocks – but they must understand – they have been voted into the minority because their ideas have already ruined our country.

It’s already happened Dave. I hate to break the bad news to you.

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Dave R.,

And where exactly did you receive your Jurisprudence degree from that gives you the expertise in Constitutional law?

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So, to sum things up from Bosch,

“I don’t care what logic you use, I don’t care what a written document says, I’m not going to accept it because I FEEL it is better to do things completely against those logical arguments and legal documents”.

I’m sure Mrs. Godzilla and G would buy into this completely.

And you folks think I’M the anarchist.

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Bosch, stop trying to channel Chad Harris – he’s been banned.

You don’t need a degree to be an expert on the U.S. Constitution. It really is a short read. Libs can even do it. It is even very clearly written, unless you ignore reality.

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Davo, yes I have(several). Some good and pretty sad really. And yes the Gov’t is complicit in in the orginal creation of them. My point is this…if you are born there does that mean you chose to be there? Does that mean withdrawing any Gov’t support would somehow get everyone there back on the road to being a fine upstanding citizen like you? I don’t think so and we haven’t reached the point as a country where we don’t stop trying to help. Is there abuse of the system? Sure. Does Gov’t manage it as effectively as it could? No. So what is the answer?Both sides of the aisle have had an opportunity to correct it and haven’t done it.One thing is for sure it will not self correct. The Gov’t will have to play a role. Gov’t may be part of the problem but it will also be a part of the solution.

It is easy to point out the problem.

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Dave R.,

So you are an expert in Constitutional Law? According to who? You? You are the authority that deems yourself an expert in Constitutional Law? Wow. I didn’t know someone could do that.

Okay, I now provide myself an expert in Quantum Psychics.

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Obama, if left unchecked is going to bankrupt this country in record time. The stimulus which was full of pet projects and pork for social programs and temporary work projects that are not needed isn’t doing or going to do jack monkey.

For crying out loud the President got up on his podium and lambasted AIG for the bonuses that he mandated, by law, by his own signature. If he had actually read it, he sure wouldn’t have gotten on his high-horse because he made them do it. Boy that was embarrassing. This totally washed any confidence I had that he knows what he is doing when he does not even know what he signs into law.

Bottom line, if obama gets his way, within 6 months of his presidency he would have spent over 5.3 trillion dollars! There is absolutely no way to spin that to make it sound right, especially when most of it is being spent for social programs that drastically grow the size of government. If we borrow more than we can pay back in interest, we are bankrupt. His plans take us dangerously close to that.

Bush was an irresponsible spender, but obama makes him look like an amateur.

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Oh yeah, G, praise some troll who strokes your back, but you still cannot respond to any noteworthy or significant (relevant) issues.

The prototypical liberal, you simply choose always one of the only two options available to the mentally challenged: 1. insult someone(always first choice for the limited intelligence), or 2. avoid the subject at hand altogether.

I’d say you have already assumed the Chadonian Mantle of Ignorance, but I do not want to make disparaging remarks about our Special Olympian trolls, much as Obama made about those with limited physical capabilities when trying to describe his bowling skills. His alleged wisdom about his ’solution’ to our current woes also is even rankling members of his own party.

As always, the “Ins” squabble while the “Outs” regroup.

Politics as usual, I’d say.

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If congress apoints more power to Geitner, watch the hell out…

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Bosch-That sounds great and all,but you and I both know thats not the case,in regards to allowing equal particapation in solving the problems. Why do ya think that is??

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Trust me, G. If I were the antichrist, you wouldn’t be typing on a keyboard right now.

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JAY – I’m curious. Why is it that you banned Commie (a move I agree with FWIW) for personal attacks but you let “G” blather on with tasteless personal attacks all day every day. The most recent example: referring to a poster as “the antichrist” at 11:34.

Your inconsistency is quite revealing. Good day all. I have a meeting in the capitalist world where we treat each other with far more civility.

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I see Dave R is still pushing his favored (and uninformed) interpretation of the Constitution as “obviously true, and certainly more accurate than thos idiots who actually STUDIED it for a living and got degrees.”

Yay for the common man! Long may he spew!

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Dave R.,

I thought the Anti-Christ was supposed to be a charming, charasmatic guy who could charm the pants off people.

I’d kind of take that as a complement.

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Dave, Christ is way more powerful than the antichrist, so yes, I would be.

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Bosch-Also being involved in the process might actually bring upon idea’s. But one needs to be part of the process.

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More bad news for the anti-environment conservatives and the enviro-rapers;

WASHINGTON – For the second time this year, the Senate has passed a long-delayed bill to set aside more than 2 million acres in nine states as protected wilderness, from a California mountain range to a forest in Virginia.

The 77-20 vote on Thursday sends the bill to the House, where final legislative approval could come as early as next week.

The Senate first approved the measure in January, but the House rejected it last week amid a partisan dispute over gun rights. The gun issue was not raised during Senate debate.

The legislation – a package of nearly 170 separate bills – would confer the government’s highest level of protection on land ranging from California’s Sierra Nevada mountain range and Oregon’s Mount Hood to Rocky Mountain National Park in Colorado and parts of the Jefferson National Forest in Virginia.

Land in Idaho’s Owyhee canyons, Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore in Michigan and Zion National Park in Utah also would win designation as wilderness, and more than 1,000 miles of rivers in nearly a dozen states would gain protections. The proposals would expand wilderness designation – which blocks nearly all development – into areas that now are not protected.

Supporters called the legislation among the most important conservation bills debated in Congress in decades.

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been real busy, and wanted to stop by and say hi to Bosch, Mrs. G, AmVet and Taxpayer.

Billy – I echo similar applause for your wonderful thoughts.

G — your’e a real trip. I just love reading your bantering with the knuckledraggers. keep up the good work.

Same to PJ

Jay: I’m real disapppointed. I see Chad, Commie and Sir Trash have been banned.

I’m disappointed because you let Commie go on and on — unabated. I should think you would have put an end to the nonsense before you had to take such drastic measures.

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Hi Midori,

I just got back in from the rain myself.

I see Bosch and G have been having fun tromping a troll. I liked that Quantum Psychics degree. You folks are on a roll today.

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Well Dave —

I’d hug you but I fear you’d take it the wrong way.

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Bosch-Now THAT was a pathetic answer! One I might expect from others here.Sad thing is we all know why equal particapation is’nt ever offered under normal circumstances. But these are defineatley not normal situations or times.

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No Commie? No GHT Superstar? No Chad?

Have they been banished to the blogging Land of Nod?

Methinks they may not be the last…

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Let’s submit the troll’s name to Obama just in case he needs to offer up someone for that coveted position of Justice of the Supremes. But, can he sing.

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Obama is not trying to save capitalism, he is trying to control it. Capitalism does not need saving, it needs to cool down for a while. In fact even the bipartisian office of Mgt. and Budjet says the economy would probably emerge from the recession stronger if we were not to artifically prop it up.

This however swept under the rug as the new administration realized that a “CRISIS” was just what they needed to get everything they wanted to implement packaged under a stimulus program.

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My point exactly, Mrs. G. They’ve been regulating all these businesses for years, when they shouldn’t have – Constitutionally. At least you get it that the government does regulate businesses; Bosch doesn’t quite seem to have a handle on that particular.

Just because they have been allowed to do so, doesn’t mean they’re doing things Constitutionally.

If the Framers were alive today, they’d probably kill themselves, or maybe go back and cancel the Revolution – for all the good it did.

Or maybe they’d just start another one . . .

It’s the next logical progression against tyranny.

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“In fact even the bipartisian office of Mgt. and Budjet says the economy would probably emerge from the recession stronger if we were not to artifically prop it up.”

Cite, please.

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Db,

Ever heard Jimmah Carter say “nuclear?”

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Sorry about the “b” there, DB. No slight was intended.

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Nor can it be said that these Democrats are merely scapegoating the private sector to deflect blame for the politicians’ share of the mortgage debacle (If the italics option doesn’t work, please forgive me!! I’m trying this out for the first time and I’m NOT computer programmer savvy!!)

Come on!! It wasn’t just defaulted MORTGAGES!! We also have to filter in the fact that dozens of real estate speculators who borrowed millions from the banks to buy existing land from homeowners, then had to pay builders to build the homes, which are now sitting empty, have their share in this crisis too. Also, let’s not forget about “Stockbrokers gone wild!” who found a loophole in the system and played the American public better than Mozart played his last concerto.

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Dave R

well, well, well

All these years the entire government and all our elected officials have been acting unconstitutionally and been getting away with it.

Wonder how all those Presidents, and Senators and Representatives and
Secretarys and all them other government types missed that since 1776? Both Democrats and Republicans! Ane Whigs and Bull Mooses and Mugwumps….too! Holy Cow!

I’m outraged! I’m going right out and getting my pitchfork sharpened!
Would a tiki torch do for when we storm the capital and the White House
to take all those criminals into custody? We’ll have to dig up the dead ones….

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To Rush Limbaugh:

Then do us both a favor and skip my posts.

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RW @ 12.43, matter of fact, I have heard some old bits where Carter clearly struggled with the word; but it came out sounding kind of like “Nook-EE-yer”.

For what it’s worth, Robert F. Kennedy pronounces it “Nucyouler” so it knows no political ideology, that’s for sure.

As for the lowercase thing, funny, I’d thought about switching to “dB” (as in decibels, and a pretty decent indie-rock band from years past) — anyway, no worries.

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DDR @ 12.50, what’s really frightening is knowing in my heart that the housing bubble probably hasn’t finished deflating. That the ATL metro isn’t positioned to take quite as bad a fall as some other areas is fairly cold comfort.

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Dialects and mispronunciations are one thing.

But consistently mangling one’s native tongue with inexcusable errors in syntax and grammar is altogether a different problem for the leader of the free world.

The man was, and is, as Ms. Maines, noted, an embarrassment.

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Dave, the FairTax will NEVER fly. It simply won’t work. The numbers don’t add up. And even if they did, it’s dependent on people actually spending money on things. I believe the FairTax is a surefire way to ensure that most people buy little more than the bare essentials.

Plus, I believe that tax rates should be progressive. I shouldn’t pay the same tax rate as someone who makes $10 million.

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Mrs. G and G
If you want more government, please require your lawmakers to read the bills that come in front of them before they vote. Not a bad idea since that is their job.

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Mrs. Godzilla:

1) You lost me on the husband thing. Sorry.

2) Yes change …….. and change can be good or bad. In this case it is bad.

3) HEADLINE: Obama’s Q&A has a twist
“The president holds a new kind of news conference — with questions from regular folks.”

Yes, questions from regular folks picked by the staff = milktoast question. Can you imagine if Mr. “T T T” had a nationally televised press conference (without Mr. Teleprompter) and HAD to answer 10 questions each from liberal and conservative “regualr folks” ??

To Dave R:

Good posts …. but remember most liberal (and some conservative) Supreme Court justices make the Constitution say what they “want” it to say. When they do, either side is WRONG !

“The courts exist to exercise not the will of men, but the judgement of law”. James Madison

“The Constitution does not constitute us as ‘Platonic Guardians’ nor does it vest in this Court the authority to strike down laws because they do not meet our standards of desirable social policy, wisdom or common sense … We trespass on the assigned function of the political branches under our structure of limited and separated powers when we assume a policymaking role.” Chief Justice Warren Burger

“The Court, in addition to the proper use of its judicial functions, has improperly set itself up as a third house of Congress – a super legislature – reading into the Constitution words and implications which are not there, and which were never intended to be there. We have therefore reached the point as a nation where we must take action to save the Consitution from the Court and the Court from itself. We must find a way to take an appeal from the Supreme Court to the Constitution itself. We want a Supreme Court which will do justice under the Constitution and not over it. In our courts we want a government of laws and not of men.” President Franklin D. Roosevelt

“If in the opinion of the People, the distribution or modification of the Constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed.” George Washington

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To My Conservative Posters:

Let’s try to stick to debate. Name calling or personal attacks is just getting in the gutter with those who don’t want to debate.

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DDR @ 12.50, what’s really frightening is knowing in my heart that the housing bubble probably hasn’t finished deflating. That the ATL metro isn’t positioned to take quite as bad a fall as some other areas is fairly cold comfort.

Amen to that!!!

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Ok I’ll stop with trying to do the stupid italics!!

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RW from earlier,

And I’m sure we WILL see those definitions – at least I hope so. No more, giving money unconditionally, I want conditions and definitions too – I have faith that they’ll do that.

And who is asking for this help? It’s the financial people – but they just want the money and not ask any questions. Um, no. I don’t think so.

I just got back in from lunch, but I’m moving on to the other thread –

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HI ya Midori!

I was having cat guilt last night. I keep thinking I should have taken him to the vet earlier, but anyway.

Last night I posted something about irony and death, because one of my elder relatives who lives with us was yelling, yelling, yelling about eating cake and I couldn’t help but think about the “let them eat cake” thing. She’s got Alzheimer’s and is teetering on death, but yet, my cat died, and now she’s yelling about cake – it was kind of a surreal moment.

It was like I was in a bad Fellini film.

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Mrs. Godzilla:

10-4. Gee, I hope he didn’t go back to kill some Cong????

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Here’s a link to an excellent article on the vast differences between liberalism and socialism….differences not merely of degree, but of kind. http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e050da85-7d49-46da-80fc-d9168c0faec7

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JB is a shill for BHO!

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Coylefty, show me the EXACT wording in the U.S. Constitution that allows government to regulate BUSINESSES.

The silence will be deafening.

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