Should Notre Dame ‘disinvite’ Obama?
Notre Dame University has invited President Obama to deliver the commencement address this year, and Obama has accepted. That has outraged many on the right (some of whom are capable of going from zero to outrage faster than a speeding bullet.)
Newt Gingrich — he of the three wives — says on Twitter, that it’s “sad … since his policies are so anti catholic values. ” Katherine Jean Lopez of the National Review calls the invitation “shameful.”
“Last week the president of the United States perpetrated an assault on human dignity. No statements or press releases will undo what Notre Dame’s position in the eyes of the world is in response: “Doesn’t matter.” We’ve got THE ONE. So much for the One to whom the school’s namesake gave birth…. At Notre Dame, the administration there just made a choice. They took a giant step away from their identity as “Catholic.” They would rather be of this world than the one they supposedly exist to bring people toward.”
Right-wing Catholic groups have are trying to pressure Notre Dame to withdraw the invitation. “It is an outrage and a scandal that ‘Our Lady’s University,’ one of the premier Catholic universities in the United States, would bestow such an honor on President Obama given his clear support for policies and laws that directly contradict fundamental Catholic teachings on life and marriage,” states a petition at notredamescandal.com that claims to have collected almost 110,000 signatures.
One point to put it all in context: According to exit polls, Obama got 54 percent of the Catholic vote in November, compared to 45 percent for John McCain. That’s better than he did among the general populace.
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DB, Gwinnettian
March 25th, 2009
8:01 am
Gosh, Jay–what does your paper’s Catholic scold Lorraine Murray think of this?
G
March 25th, 2009
8:02 am
I don’t care for Notre Dame myself, but, no, they should not disinvite President Obama.
Newty-Newt should go hide with the Rushpublicant budget plan, and take “The Penguin” Cheney with him.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 25th, 2009
8:03 am
Lorraine’s wiki photo is a hoot, by the way. Seems she’s gussied up in some kind of 16th century gear, which seems if anything forward-thinking for her ideological bent.
I Report/ You Whine
March 25th, 2009
8:04 am
They could find someone else to come lie to them-
What he said: “At the end of the day, the best way to bring our deficit down in the long run is not with a budget that continues the very same policies that have led us to narrow prosperity and massive debt. It’s with a budget that leads to broad economic growth by moving from an era of borrow-and-spend to one where we save and invest.”
This dude is detached from reality and a bald faced liar, why would you want to hear him speak?
It’s a waste of time.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
8:07 am
Heavens no! Such silliness!
Taxpayer
March 25th, 2009
8:11 am
I think they should abstain from any further contact. Otherwise, they risk exposing more than simple hypocrisy. Then again, some prefer to be noted for what they say rather than what they do.
Redneck Convert
March 25th, 2009
8:13 am
Well, it’s just a shame this Obama wants to kill little baby stem cells. They shouldn’t let scientists use them. If they ain’t going to be used to make babys they need to give them a good Christian burial. It ain’t their fault people pick up all these diseases and want to use them to try and get a cure.
I don’t hold with the Catholics much on account of they worship idols and such, but the people that want Notre Dame to cancel Obama’s speaking invite are dead right on this one. He’s just a baby killer, is what he is. Just think how many god-fearing rednecks they could make with the cells and won’t never get a chance to because scientists want to kill them.
We need to make sure we put a stop to these scientists. We can start by not letting this Obama speak to anybody. When we get our Southren States of America we’ll put a stop to all this business of putting cells in test tubes. Women will be made to have babys the regler way, by doing You Know What. And when they get in the Fambly Way we’ll make it a law they have to have them. We can lock the women that try to have abortions and their Drs. up and throw away the key. We don’t beleive in killing anybody till they get old enough to get the Death Penalty.
Well, looks like golf is out for Saturday. Me and Jim Earl and Joe Bill was planning to get a round in down at Countryland Golf Club down near Cumming but we’d need hip boots to do it now. Have a good day everybody.
G
March 25th, 2009
8:16 am
There is a myopia here that should scare anyone who ever voted for Newty-Newt or would do so in the future.
If Newty-Newt is willing to criticize President Obama for not being Catholic enough, with his marital track record – including adultery and desertion, imagine what he could blind himself to if he was ever again in a position of power.
(Not to mention the splendid irony that he takes on President Obama in a category he has so failed at and where President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama have so succeeded – a strong marriage.)
I’m not much interested in a politician’s personal life until he/she shows me I should be. When I see a person who lives in a glass house willing to throw stones willy nilly I wish for them the inevitable fall from their own hubris that they deserve.
jon
March 25th, 2009
8:18 am
Lessee. I’m not Catholic (not even religious), will never have an abortion, and am not planning to attend Notre Dame or contribute to the school, so, as they say, ” I ain’t got no dog in that fight.”. They can invite whoever they please and suffer the consequences or the rewards.
Taxpayer
March 25th, 2009
8:19 am
Who cannot help but burst out in uncontrollable laughter whenever Newt sticks his foot in his mouth and proceeds to use it to spread his buttocks. How does he perform that feat. Why, it’s almost as though it were a miracle.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 25th, 2009
8:20 am
RC gave us: He’s just a baby killer, is what he is.
For those who read this as pure parody, let me remind one and all that in the week before the election, in the AJC’s “Faith and Values” section, in the Houses of Worship listings, was a two-column wide advert whose headline read: “Barack Obama is 100% Pro-Abortion!”
don’t you love how tastefully this issue is framed? and how our complicit media go along with it being “pro-” or “anti-” abortion?
As if the real issue being determined by lawmakers wasn’t, in fact, whether it makes any sense whatsoever to criminalize this procedure?
Anyway, as to Obama winning 54% of the Catholic vote–I’m not surprised, but I didn’t realize this, so I guess I did learn something from this otherwise fairly pointless exercise.
G
March 25th, 2009
8:20 am
Isn’t that how it works though?
The GOP have multiple marriages, mistresses, abortions, down low affairs, you name it, but they sling feces at others while claiming to be holier than thou, not believing in abortion (for others that is), etc.
AmVet
March 25th, 2009
8:21 am
Of course, the papists are gonna catch h&ll from the TRUE believers, the REAL Christians, the GENUINE patriots — the Southern Talibaptists.
Thank (your favorite superstition here) the RC’s have Touchdown Jesus and the Four Horsemen on their side…
So the Uppity One gives a speech and the Reich-wingers go apeshiite.
Now there’s one I didn’t see coming!
I’ve always wondered why these zealous adherents of the RNC’s man-teated Chairperson, HeadRush “Some of my best friends are pharmacists” Limberger, would be so against America’s recovery from this disastrous fake conservatism because of a skinny mulatto.
Things that make you go hmmm…
ESR
March 25th, 2009
8:23 am
It’s nothing personal that Notre Dame has against The Prompter In Chief. The problem is that the school doesn’t have the room for the IMAX size teleprompter Obama Bin Lyin requires for him to be able to transmit his secret eye signals to His Followers with.
Copyleft
March 25th, 2009
8:23 am
There’s any number of amusing hypocrisies to point out here.
ONE: Obama has done nothing that’s “anti-Catholic” in any way. The bill he signed about stem-cell research affects embryos that would otherwise be destroyed. Zero religious conflict, no matter how hopelessly ignorant and science-hating your cult happens to be.
TWO: Notre Dame has no obligation to invite only “Catholic-friendly” speakers. Free speech, opposing viewpoints, yadda yadda.
THREE: American Catholics are not the monolithic slaves to Papal dogma that the Church would prefer. In order to function in society, most Catholics have to ignore or violate a large chunk of Church doctrine anyway, every day. A whole heckuva lotta Catholics voted for Obama, f’rinstance… and very few bought into the whole “Kerry shouldn’t receive Communion” nonsense back in ‘04.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 25th, 2009
8:25 am
very few bought into the whole “Kerry shouldn’t receive Communion” nonsense back in ‘04.
Not a lot had to. Just enough to, say, swing 50, 60 thousand or so votes in Ohio. Which is the whole reason then-Cardinal Ratzinger engineered that particular political ploy, of course.
G
March 25th, 2009
8:25 am
Is this the same up-to-date Catholic church who has the Pope in Aids-ravaged Africa denouncing the use of condoms?
Yeah, I thought so.
Joey
March 25th, 2009
8:25 am
What we have here is a case of Republicans behaving like Democrats/Progressives. Then we have Democrats reacting the way Democrats react, that is rebuke, vilify, stigmatize: (Gingrich – He of three wives).
Republicans should not act like Democrats. It is unbecoming. Let it go.
And Jay, the next time a Conservative or Republican is invited to speak at a University, and Progressives get up-at-arms, please, pause and reflect before you defend their behaviour.
G
March 25th, 2009
8:27 am
AmVet @ 8:21, the Southern Talibaptists!
I’ve had to clean off my monitor, but it was worth it.
Taxpayer
March 25th, 2009
8:29 am
So, when is Newt going to fault Obama for not providing funding for the Civil War. It’s Obama’s fault that the South will not rise again. He’s going to cut funding for everything from baking powder to Viagra, dontcha know.
JH
March 25th, 2009
8:29 am
Slouching toward Gomorrah. It should be about character and identity, not policy and money. Is Notre Dame Catholic first or a university first?
Jay
March 25th, 2009
8:31 am
Joey, I don’t believe I have ever advocated not allowing a speaker to speak. If you can demonstrate facts to the contrary, please do so.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 25th, 2009
8:33 am
I guess I should answer the question about whether ND should “disinvite” Obama. Officially, of course, it’s their call and if they think it’s in the school’s interest to do so, vaya con dios and all that.
Considering, though, that apparently the movement to disinvite is coming from the likes of Newt and K-Lo, I’d say that doing so would make ND appear rather weak and foolish.
Later, all.
CommunistAJC
March 25th, 2009
8:33 am
Let’s see, Catholics claim to be against abortion yet invite him to speak at Notre Dame. Don’t know how Catholics can call themselves Catholic and at the same time go against the Vatican. Sounds like a conundrum for the Catholics.
G, I’m sure this isn’t the first time you’ve had to clean off your mom’s monitor.
Dave R
March 25th, 2009
8:34 am
There are far more accomplished citizens of the U.S. who could be invited to speak at Notre Dame instead of a 142-day former Senator with no legislative or executive experience.
But if Notre Dame wants to lower their standards, that’s their choice.
Bosch
March 25th, 2009
8:35 am
G,
I always like that particular phrase by AmVet.
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Well, I don’t really care to be honest. As jon said earlier, “I ain’t got no dog in this fight.” They can invite/disinvite whomever they want, I wonder though – um, Obama hasn’t changed none since the original invite.
But anywho……
With Notre Dame – as with any institute of higher learning – it will all boil down to – how mad will it make the big alumni donors. That’s their bottom line – who cares if the faculty or the students or whoever are in an uproar – it’s about the donors – they are the ones you don’t want to make mad.
I’m sure the President of Notre Dame along with it’s top administrators have been on the horn in the past few weeks asking their opinion — for theirs are the only ones they care about.
CommunistAJC
March 25th, 2009
8:35 am
Taxpayer, you’re correct. Newt is a hypocrite. Anyone who tries to impeach a sitting president over adultery and at the same time cheats on his wife is a despicable person.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 25th, 2009
8:35 am
Well, I thought I was going to leave, but I am not going to let this one drop just yet.
CommunistAJC, I know you have a hard time getting this, but there is a difference between being “against abortion” and being opposed to criminalizing abortion.
I suspect a majority–perhaps 54%?–of Catholics understand this already.
anyway, adios, everyone, for real now.
G
March 25th, 2009
8:35 am
Taxpayer @ 8:29, I’m using up all my monitor wipes today, but again, it’s worth it.
ESR
March 25th, 2009
8:38 am
Since ND totally sucks at football this is the only way the school can get it’s name out there. Well put Dave R; like his infomercial on TV last night…who really cares….yawn.
Bosch
March 25th, 2009
8:38 am
Dave R,
Call me crazy, but being the President of the United States is a pretty big accomplishment.
Bosch
March 25th, 2009
8:39 am
JH,
University first would be my initial guess – as with all private schools.
AMDG
March 25th, 2009
8:40 am
I am very disappointed that Notre Dame invited the President to be honored its commencement.
The Church’s teaching on abortion is quite clear – Abortion is “gravely contrary to moral law”. In the Church’s view life begins at conception. Procuring or facilitating (e.g. voting to fund abortion) is no different than murdering or paying for the murder of a ten year old child.
All of the President’s positions with regard to life issues are 180 degrees from those of the Church. Inviting him to be honored at Notre Dame’s commencement is no different than the NAACP inviting David Duke to give the keynote at its convention. At the very least it imparts a mixed message.
Jay points out that the President received a majority of the Catholic vote. Perhaps one of the reasons for this is that Catholics receive mixed messages on the importance of the Church’s teachings because of things like this.
Bosch
March 25th, 2009
8:41 am
Commie,
I think, now I could be wrong, but Newt was trying to impeach Clinton over perjury, obstruction of justice, and abuse of the power of office, not adultery.
Joey
March 25th, 2009
8:41 am
Jay:
You have access to your writings and your memory. I will accept your denial and I appologize for the accusation.
The undesirable result of adding that comment to you at the end of my 8:25 post is that it distracted from the truth of the rest of the post. I should have paused and considered the value of the sentence.
CommunistAJC
March 25th, 2009
8:44 am
DB, Gwinnettian, no not really. Taking the life of an innocent unborn baby is what? What is it, DB, Gwinnettian? Is it euthanasia? No, doesn’t fit the definition. Is it a fun sport? Nope.
There are two types of abortion. The type where the baby is an “unwanted” nuisance and the type where the mothers life is in grave danger. I can sympathise with the mothers life being in danger. I can not do so when women just want the “unwanted problem” out of their life.
CommunistAJC
March 25th, 2009
8:47 am
Bosch, true and Clinton did lie under oath and on television to the American people. BUT, Newt did play up the whole adultery charge like a kid in a candy store. And it came out years later that Newt cheated on his wife.
CommunistAJC
March 25th, 2009
8:50 am
AMDG, President Teleprompter may have gotten 54% of the Catholic vote but that doesn’t change anything. The problem lies with individuals who “claim” to be Catholic or Christian yet at the same time go out of their way to reject the church’s teachings. You can not claim to be Christian and reject God at the same time.
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
8:50 am
The invitation should stand.
But like many conservative speakers who get “the treatment”, the “Talicrat President” should have trouble being heard above the thousands of peaceful demonstrators chanting “life” and if everyone want to turn around and face the other way that would be great also.
Ray
March 25th, 2009
8:51 am
Redneck Convert,
You delight in comparing abortion to the death penalty. In your own stupid way, you come out looking like a fool. A jury of peers decides who will die in a court of law when the death penalty is in play. When a child is aborted, it is often a teenage girl who made a bad mistake. She is confused, feels guilty has a sense of doing something terribly wrong.
There are 1.3M abortions performed in this country EVERY YEAR. That’s a pretty large city by some standards. All killed. 92% are done for “societal reasons”, that is, not wanted. This is only time in our country when a person is not charged with murder for taking a life. All in the name of “choice” and a convenient birth control method to take the life of someone you have created by irresponsibility. An easier method would be to just keep your legs together. No wonder Notre Dame doesn’t want Bozo to speak at their graduation. He represents the very essence of what is wrong with our society and society’s spin on the unborn.
Katherine Walsh
March 25th, 2009
8:51 am
We need to separate the school.students from its administration. Those that govern this institution know exactly what they are doing. I pray that more Catholics voice their views on this amtter. President Obama should not have been invited in the first place. Not because he is president but because this instituion calls itself Catholic. It must live up to its name and defend human life from conception to death. Anyone that advocates the use of citizens dollars including Catholic citizens dollar to support abortion at home and overseas should not be considered for such a prestigious honor and should not be heralded as a role model for graduating Catholic students. Keep Mr. Obama away from Notre Dame.
Jay
March 25th, 2009
8:51 am
I appreciate your forthrightness, Mr. Joey.
CommunistAJC
March 25th, 2009
8:53 am
Jay Bookman, I usually have no problem with who universities choose to have as speakers. The only time I’ve been REALLY upset was when Columbia invited the president of Iran to speak. Inviting him backfired BIG TIME for the university. These university professors thought they were doing something great and at the same time got shot in the foot by the Iranian pres. He trashed gays and pissed off gay rights activists. Oh well, what you do?
lovelyliz
March 25th, 2009
8:54 am
Check out church teachings for other anti-Catholic values:
death penalty
Thr Iraq War (just ask the Pope and the hundreds of thousand of men women and children who have died as a result)
Fertility treatments such as in vitro
Social Justice
Poverty
I could go on, but the pro-life teachings of the Catholic Church did not start and end with abortion. If certain Catholics want Obama to be dis-invited, they had better look at others they have welcomed with open arms and their anti-Catholic values first.
CommunistAJC
March 25th, 2009
8:55 am
G, you have egg all in your face. Your your computer wipes to wipe off that egg, comrade. You claimed, last night, that President Hussein didn’t have a teleprompter. Guess what, HE HAD A GIANT TELEPROMPTER!
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/304123.html
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
8:58 am
TWO OFF TOPICS:
Jay, Jay, Jay:
1) Do you think you guys will ever have to go the “no endorsements” route ??
NEWSPAPER REVITALIZATION ACT: CONGRESS MOVES TO SAVE PRINT; OUTLAW POLITICAL ENDORSEMENTS…
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE52N67F20090324
2) This Administration is becoming truly dangerous ……………
HEADLINE: Pentagon to drop ‘Global War on Terror’ for ‘Overseas Contingency Operation’…
So if the “Global War on Terror” is now the “Overseas Contingency Operation” what do we call fighting Islamic terrorists in this country -a “Domestic Contingency Operation”?
G
March 25th, 2009
8:58 am
I have a name for people who say they don’t believe in abortion, and then abort continually.
Hint-hint, it’s not a nice one.
CommunistAJC
March 25th, 2009
8:59 am
For anyone who thinks unionizing is great! FedEx slams the hammer down.
FedEx threatens to cancel Boeing jet orders: report
(Reuters) – FedEx Corp is threatening to cancel the purchase of billions of dollars worth of new Boeing Co cargo planes if Congress passes a law that would make it easier for unions to organize at the package-delivery company, the Wall Street Journal said.
FedEx may cancel plans to buy as many as 30 new Boeing planes should Congress pass a bill that would remove truck drivers, couriers and other employees at FedEx’s Express unit from the jurisdiction of the federal Railway Labor Act of 1926, the paper cited the company spokesman as saying.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090325/us_nm/us_fedex_orders
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
9:00 am
This is nothing new….
Secretary Condoleezza Rice Speaks at Boston College here:
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2006/05/22/secretary-condoleezza-rice-speaks-at-boston-college.php
Heck, this one is ongoing:
SMU, George W. Bush library face renewed fight over land here:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/012209dnmetbushlibrary.435aa4a.html
There was also Rove at Choate, Cheney at BYU, Ashcroft at Bob Jones,….
G
March 25th, 2009
9:01 am
Communist, Communist, Communist, you are having a bit of trouble with the typing this morning. Making lots of errors. All kinds of errors.
Work on that. Then get back to me.
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
9:01 am
This is for Truth, RW, Communist AJC and All Believers.
“Non-Believers” DO NOT (repeat DO NOT) watch this. And to think this is the place where so many were thrown to the lions for their faith !
http://thetemple.wordpress.com/2009/03/03/amazing-grace-in-the-coliseum-in-rome/
Davo
March 25th, 2009
9:03 am
Maybe Notre Dame should recind their invitation to Obama, and in his place have the pope explain how condoms increase the spread of AIDs in Africa.
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
9:06 am
Urkel got a little “testy” last night when he got a tough question didn’t he?
CommunistAJC
March 25th, 2009
9:06 am
Corporal, nice, but I have to ask you. Seeing where America is headed and the amount of anti semitism and anti christian rhetoric we read on a daily basis, it would not surprise me if in the near future, christians and jews are once again put to death for their beliefs.
ND'85
March 25th, 2009
9:07 am
As a ND Alum I have no problem with Obama delivering the commencement address.
That said, as I strongly disagree with his policies, programs, and apparent constant need for positive reinforcement fawning, I for one would not attend, either as a graduate or invitee.
Bhorsoft
March 25th, 2009
9:08 am
JH, When my father went to Notre Dame in the early 50’s (on the GI Bill), Notre Dame was probably as much Catholic as it was University (and football), now, like most colleges and universities, it is mostly a business whose product is education. Being Catholic (and Irish) is it’s marketing niche. Having President Obama as a graduation speaker improves their cache and may help get more academically qualified folks to think about attending their expensive university.
CommunistAJC
March 25th, 2009
9:09 am
Corporal, calling President Hussein, Urkel is insulting to Urkel. Urkel was pro-capitalism and pro-American. He didn’t trash talk his country and use his race to get ahead in life.
Taxpayer
March 25th, 2009
9:09 am
Well, I suppose we should wait to hear what the Patron Saint of Hypocrites has to reveal on the matter of do as I say, not as I do, for I am forgiven, how ’bout you. But wait, Newt has already spoken.
I Report/ You Whine
March 25th, 2009
9:10 am
Oblahmi, the lie that keeps on taking and taking and taking-
Lawmakers also were effectively excluding several middle-class tax-cut pledges that Mr. Obama made in his budget, including long-term relief from the Alternative Minimum Tax, and even long-term extension of his Making Work Pay credit. Extending AMT relief and the Making Work Pay tax credit could run around $200 billion each over the next five years. Both are in effect now but expire soon.
Maybe some day the Prompter will make it’s mind up.
G
March 25th, 2009
9:11 am
BREAKING NEWS:
Rushpublicants will unveil their budget plan momentarily.
HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!
CommunistAJC
March 25th, 2009
9:11 am
Taxpayer, we’ve already established Newt being a hypocrite. As is Nancy, Harry, OwlGore, Bush, Obama, Clinton and the rest of the political establishment.
CommunistAJC
March 25th, 2009
9:12 am
BREAKING NEWS:
President Teleprompter used a 62 inch teleprompter to tell him what to say.
Notre Dame grad
March 25th, 2009
9:15 am
Upon graduating high school, I applied accepted at four schools: Notre Dame, DUKE, BROWN and UNC. I was offer full scholarships at all of these schools except ND. I had earn enough money investing during high school so I did not need the scholarships. I went to ND because it was the best school ahead of Brown, UNC and lastly Duke – which is also polluted with arrogant, 2nd-rate tools.
Obama decided to speak at ND because he is a winner and he wants to be associated with the best whether they are Catholic or not.
OBAMA AND NOTRE DAME SHOULD NOT ABORT THIS BABY!
Ray
March 25th, 2009
9:15 am
ND’85,
Constant positive reinforcement for an unstable, inexperienced amateur who is in way over his head. Ever heard of narcissism?
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
9:17 am
I don’t think the Democrats have a clue of the political backlash that is coming in two/four years. It will be like one of those “tsunamis” that doesn’t show up until it hits the shore.
Let’s discuss that again then ………..
Bosch
March 25th, 2009
9:18 am
“and lastly Duke – which is also polluted with arrogant, 2nd-rate tools”
Oh no.
Taxpayer
March 25th, 2009
9:21 am
Tax cuts need to expire as soon as possible since they are only intended to help stimulate the economy. Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy should have never been allowed in the first place and it will take a lot of effort to overcome the damage from just that one failed Republican policy, much less all the others. Of course, longer term, cuts need to be made in the budget (especially in the bloated defense budget and agricultural budget) and wasteful programs eliminated, etc., in order to return to a fiscally responsible form of government — a non-Republican form, that is.
Corporal Punishment
March 25th, 2009
9:22 am
“I don’t think the Democrats have a clue of the political backlash that is coming in two/four years.”
Corporal, you’re the one without a or clue, or for that matter, an original idea too.
taxpayer catholic
March 25th, 2009
9:23 am
Why bring this anti christ to us. Keep him away.
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
9:24 am
WHAT THE HECK, OVER?
HEADLINE: The Prompter-in-Chief
“What kind of president brings a massive teleprompter to his second prime-time news conference?”
The answer is simple – Jr. Varsity.
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
9:26 am
TROUBLE IN PARADISE FOR PRESIDENT “T T T”?
HEADLINE/EU: U.S. on ‘Way to Hell’
“European Union presidency head rips Obama, says his plans ‘will undermine the stability of the global market’ …”
Corporal Punishment
March 25th, 2009
9:28 am
THANKS FOR MORE ALL CAPS CLUELESSNESS.
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
9:35 am
To Corporal Punishment:
BECAUSE “G” DID AT 9:11 ……….
)
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
9:39 am
Here’s a trip down memory lane:
Press Conference of George Bush
Submitted by WhiteHouse on Thu, 04/28/2005 – 09:00.
http://www.politicalvideo.org/press-conference-george-bush
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
9:41 am
Mrs. Godzilla:
Dubya is not the POTUS now. President “T T T” is.
AmVet
March 25th, 2009
9:41 am
Hey I’ve got an idea!
Let’s make abortions illegal!
That should solve the problem!
This satirical jab at conventional Republiconned thinking serves its purpose though. In general they are simply unwilling to deal with the vast and complicated challenges of a modern day world because the worst of them cannot be dragged out of their 1950s, and in some cases, 1850s mentality.
Even Nancy’s Just Say No had SOME minimal value to it, but today’s misnamed conservatives?
Arguably an utter failure. Across the board. Pick a topic. ANY topic.
But Why? How could this possibly have happened to an entire major political party in modern America? (And how is it that the other major party is only slightly more competent and repulsive?)
Because beginning in the 1980’s the easily led sheeple in the Republican “base” were duped into believing that Nixon/Agnew was an aberration. So in spite of the overwhelming evidence otherwise, they gravitated to the perverted, far-right lunatic fringe where ultimately a preemptive, misguided, mismanaged invasion and deadly occupation based on deception after lie after sophist “evidence” was deemed “conservative”. And patriotic.
Where science and the age of reason are a HUGE threat to their dogmatic, intransigent and now repudiated ideology of denial, obfuscation and lockstep foot-dragging.
Where basic respect, and even a modicum of decency and care, for our home – Planet Earth, our finite resources and our natural world are insignificant compared to the corporate profits of multinationals and a life of unenlightened, uncaring comfort.
Where unwarranted, McCarthy-like witch hunts have regained their popularity (as evidenced here by the plethora of inane and sophomoric references to commies, pinkos, socialists, Marxists, etc…).
Where basic respect for the law of the land and economic justice went out the window with Ollie North’s and Dick Cheney’s convenient lack of memory.
Where Christo-fascist frauds and TV charlatans are presented as trusted advisers to the heads of state.
And where, in all matters, the high road of moral integrity and ethical behavior are their providence alone.
But at (long?) last, the rest of the nation tires of trying to get these completely corrupted, ultra-bribeable and intransigent gangsters to pull their collective heads out of those southern cavities. And so finally realizes they have no other alternative but to throw them to the curb every other November.
And so we stand up to the thuggery and buffoonery of these self-righteous frauds and their collapsing “conservative” movement.
And guess what, neo-conned? That ain’t gonna change until you die off and are replaced by a younger, at least semi-lucid set of new and improved GOP gangsters…
G
March 25th, 2009
9:43 am
Doesn’t the Bible say “Judge not…….”, Aw, forget it.
CommunistAJC
March 25th, 2009
9:43 am
Notre Dame grad, hate to burst your bubble, comrade, but Duke is ranked 8th nationally in school rankings. And no, comrade I ain’t talkin bout basketball. Notre Dame didn’t rank in the top 30.
By the way, when is your football team going to be ranked in the top 25 again? It’s been awhile. Oh wait, LSU pounded your team by 30 points in the Sugar Bowl a few years back.
CommunistAJC
March 25th, 2009
9:44 am
Notre Dame grad, you wrote: Obama decided to speak at ND because he is a winner and he wants to be associated with the best whether they are Catholic or not.
The only thing Notre Dame is best at is LOSING!
G
March 25th, 2009
9:45 am
ROFLMAO, and I’m wiping my eyes.
A twice divorced man who, while committing adultery called for the impeachment of a sitting President for doing the exact same thing, is talking about values.
I’m being punked, right?
CommunistAJC
March 25th, 2009
9:46 am
Notre Dame grad, will you be chanting RUDY RUDY RUDY when Hussein arrives?
G
March 25th, 2009
9:47 am
The problem with these “family values people” is that they only want to apply the values to someone else’s family. Meanwhile, they just keep right on aborting.
CommunistAJC
March 25th, 2009
9:47 am
ND’85, would you like to inform Notre Dame grad just where it is Notre Dame is ranked nationally?
Hint: it’s faaaaaaaaaaaaar behind Duke.
CommunistAJC
March 25th, 2009
9:49 am
Notre Dame grad, I stand corrected, Notre Dame ranks in at number 18 nationally. My apologies to you.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
9:49 am
Corporal
No duh, dude.
It just adds a little perspective….
G
March 25th, 2009
9:50 am
President Obama keeps playing it cool and neocons keep making bigger fools of themselves.
CommunistAJC
March 25th, 2009
9:51 am
G, your 9:47 post makes no sense. Who is aborting babies, G?
G
March 25th, 2009
9:51 am
And neocons keep aborting.
Soothsayer
March 25th, 2009
9:54 am
Could solar power and 19th-century engineering combine to help save Detroit?
Think about having one of these in your backyard.
G
March 25th, 2009
9:55 am
Well now, did anyone besides Communist see the word “babies” in my 9:47 post?
Oh never mind, it’s just some more of that Communist paranoia.
G
March 25th, 2009
9:56 am
And Communist guilt shining through.
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
9:59 am
To G:
“Doesn’t the Bible say “Judge not…….”, Aw, forget it.”
Well, since you asked …. yes it does, but a “text taken out of context is no text”. Based on your reasoning there would be no discipline in school, no police, no judges, etc., etc.
Try these on:
Jesus:
“Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.”
Apostle Paul:
“Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?”
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
10:00 am
To Mrs. Godzilla:
Sorry, dudess. I just thought you had forgotten.
G
March 25th, 2009
10:06 am
C @ 9:59, fancy yourself a saint now, huh? You’re so messed up it ain’t funny.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
10:07 am
Corporal
You big silly! You know darn well I have not forgotten that the American people made Barack H. Obama President of these here United States.
I have my invitation to the inauguration framed on the dresser next to the pix of the family!
Each and every morning I wake up and think….at last.
PEM
March 25th, 2009
10:09 am
I am catholic, with strong Catholic views, and I did not vote for President Obama, however, he is our president, and what we think to be morally correct, is not going to change that. Poor judgement was used in asking President Obama to speak at Notre Dame, but suck it up! You don’t uninvite anybody because there wasn’t enough thought put into the invitation, especially The President. Are all of the students and faculty at Notre Dame Catholic? Do all students and faculty have to vow to believe the Catholic faith? The answer is No! Notre Dame is as diverse as any other university, and they should continue to teach the Catholic faith for the Catholic population, but having President Obama speak, is not going to change the beliefs we have as Catholics, or the views of others who aren’t.We need to be good Christians, and not judge, but hold fast to our beliefs, and pray that morality prevails.
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
10:10 am
Mrs. Godzilla:
Just wanted to make sure you knew “T T T” was now president.
By the way, did I hear correctly that “Mr. Teleprompter” has been upstaged by “Mr. Big Screen T.V.” in the back of the press conference?
What’s next, a ventriloquist dummy?
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
10:13 am
To G:
Of course I am. A “saint” is nothing more than a forgiven sinner. And thankgoodness that’s me.
I wan’t trying to be unkind, but I can’t let someone pull a verse “out of context” and get by with it.
G
March 25th, 2009
10:17 am
C @ 10:13, I did though.
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
10:17 am
To PEM:
You need to read my 9:59 on “judging” and what it truly means.
Basically, it means WE ARE to exercise judgement without a “judgemental attitude” (which we all struggle with) when it comes to standing against wrong.
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
10:19 am
To C:
Yes you did. This side of eternity. More to follow.
AmVet
March 25th, 2009
10:20 am
I personally am loving the Reich-wing’s juvenile obsession over “THE TELEPROMPTER”.
We all know that the new President has nothing to do these days!
No economic meltdown due to the attempted corporate destruction of capitalism as orchestratd by Wall St. criminals and……..BushCo.
No pending ecological disasters as orchestrated by the enviro-raprers and……..BushCo.
No health care crisis and dying Americans as orchestrated by the titans of industry and……..BushCo.
No botched “War on Terrer” as led by the valorous chickenhawks of……….BushCo.
Why the hell isn’t the Up[pity One busy committing to memory every speech?
This is simply inexcusable.
G
March 25th, 2009
10:23 am
Now where is that USA-saving Rushpublicant budget plan? Has anyone seen it?
Boner was suppose to present it early this morning. Dang bonehead Boner!
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
10:24 am
Corporal
Every time I see you or any of you prompter-cultists mention the Presidents efficient use of modern technology all I can think of is…
Where’s your budget plan alternative?
Where’s your bank bailout alternative?
Where’s your education improvement alternative?
Where’s your energy independence alternative?
Where’s your middle east alternative?
Where’s your environmental clean up alternative?
Where’s youe health care alternative?
Perhaps, if there are any serious conservatives/ republicans left they might take a break from “Just Saying No” and offer a solution. Not sound bites and outrage…a couple hundred pages of policy paper perhaps?
Y’all got a poltitcal party, and your own fancy website….why not use it for something constructive?
ANd, that “ventriloquist dummy” quip was a great temptation for me to backslide and make the obvious joke….but it would be counterproductive. Kinda’ like talking about teleprompters when our home need serious help.
Here’s a hug….and have a nice day!
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
10:27 am
AmVet and G
I love you guys!!
We’re going tie one on at the next O of O meeting…..
We’re serving:
MartiNOs
DoritNos
BurritNos
G
March 25th, 2009
10:29 am
Rushpublicants really do make the best hypocrites, and they do it in such a way that truly endears them to all free thinking people throughout the U.S.
G
March 25th, 2009
10:32 am
Mrs G,
Can we also have: NachNOs and ChipNOs? And maybe MargaritNOs?
AmVet
March 25th, 2009
10:33 am
I’m trying to find some info on the Louisiana Flash’s “response” last night.
But all I could find was this:
Saying “the time for talking about the past is over,” Jindal said Republicans have begun to find their voice after back-to-back elections losses…”
Oh yeah. I agree! Run from your past as fast as your chickenhawk legs will carry you. But really, Booby, we all know you cannot run fast or far enough away from it.
But to the always dupe-able “faithful”, no question the GOP is renewed! Gawd be Praised!
All is forgotten! All is forgiven! HeadRush commands it so!
A few dark years ago I would never have believed my hopes for all of this would have come true.
Now that is faith, my friends!
Not in some oogity-boogity superstition, but in the goodness of the American people…
USA! USA! USA!
Wells
March 25th, 2009
10:35 am
What’s the problem with using a teleprompter? The wacko judge who swore in the President didn’t have a teleprompter and tried to memorize his lines and we see what happened with that.
marie
March 25th, 2009
10:35 am
An institution that has turned a blind eye to their priests’ shameful acts of sexual abuse of children and young people protesting a speech by a president who is simply trying to find a middle ground on controversial issues rings a little hypocritical to me. And this is not to reflect on the millions of devout Catholic who abhor such behavior.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
10:35 am
G
sounds deliciNOs
G
March 25th, 2009
10:38 am
AmVet @ 10:33, Louisiana Flash! and again I’ve had to clean my monitor!
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
10:39 am
Please don’t let Bobby flash!
Please!
AmVet
March 25th, 2009
10:40 am
Mrs. G, right back at ya!
We’re gonna take this great nation back from the right-wing thugs and buffoons.
One blog, one community and one state at a time…
Whatever
March 25th, 2009
10:46 am
Obama giving the ND commencement — doesn’t matter, as he is only able to say the words in front of him.
Therefore ND’s best position is to know in advance what the “message” is. Likely he will also ask if his likeness can replace that of “touchdown Jesus”….
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
10:46 am
Please don’t let Bobby flash….
Obambi's TelePrompter
March 25th, 2009
10:50 am
I’m so big and shiny now; you can see me from a mile away.
I see that you moonbats enjoyed what I made my little tard say last night; you’re welcome.
But I’ll tell you what, ring meats, either start giving me the recognition that I deserve or I’ll make Obambi look the bigger fool than he already does.
These are my plans!
Long live socialism!
NDSenior
March 25th, 2009
10:50 am
First off to the author, its the University of Notre Dame (not Notre Dame University).
Second Notre Dame is not all Catholics and it is not a seminary (although one is located on the campus). It seems like everyone is thinking it is a seminary, which is idiotic since females are allowed to attend. Notre Dame above all is a place for learning and growing. If we cannot even listen to those of opposing views, how can we ever really learn about what we believe in or grow in that faith?
The major problem I have with this debate is that these extreme Catholics only see the issue of abortion and no other issues. I completely agree that Obama’s view on a woman’s right to choose are completely against the Catholic faith, but we are forgetting his other policies and view that are completely in line with the church, such as service, healthcare and compassion for the poor and less fortunate.
Didn’t Jesus listen to all and treat those who were different from him with kindness and compassion? Shouldn’t we as Christians do the same?
I would be ashamed to say that I am a graduate of Notre Dame if the school disinvites President Obama. I feel it is a great honor for us that the President of the United States, the leader of the free world, chose to speak at my graduation when he could speak at pretty much any school in the country.
I just hope that my graduation isn’t ruined by some Catholic zealots trying to impose their views on the world forcefully instead of a sensible manner.
And by the way I am Catholic and pro-life.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
10:51 am
Of course we’re going to replace TD Jesus with TD Obama…but that’s just the start.
New York Harbor….Statue of Obama
St. Louis…..The Obama Arch
San Francisco ….The Golden Obama Bridge
Chicago……Obama Fountain
Florida – Obamaglades
and that’s just the start
The O of O has plans….lots of plans….
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
10:52 am
Mrs. Godzilla:
Well, well. Here’s something to chew on ……… a big gang of moderate Democrats in the Senate are messing with “T T T’s” budget plan right now. Even “they” have the alternative you asked about! He’s so worried, he’s going up on the Hill to browbeat them today (take “Mr. Telepromper).
Let’s put it this way. Neither you (housewife) or I (lowly Corporal) are great economists ……… however, “T T T” has only one goal in mind …….. redistribute the wealth – at the point of a gun if necessary (tax laws one can be arrested for). That is his socialist (or worse) goal.
There are numerous better plans out there (some being developed by Republicans and some by Democrats with some common sense) who realize his plans/debt are going to be a disaster. Did you not read what the EU president said this morning? A lot of people outside the U.S. are truly worried about this guy.
Cut taxes! Change laws so U.S. Corporations will bring their business back to this country! That will create jobs so people can “work” for a living instead of having it “handed” to them.
Now, I could address each one of your other issues but it would fall on deaf ears so I won’t waste my time.
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
March 25th, 2009
10:53 am
Mrs. G., you might be on to something there – nekkid pictures of leading GOPers like Piyush, Newt, Larry Craig, Scalia, Rush, etc. on billboards all over America!
It would reduce the pregnancy rate to zero, thereby ending abortion. AND THE POPE WOULD BE ECSTATIC!
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
10:54 am
ND Senior:
Tolerance – “The virtue of those who stand for nothing.”
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
10:54 am
Corporal
Please link to the plans you speak of.
lovelyliz
March 25th, 2009
11:03 am
G,
If a neocons aborts and no one “officially” finds out, did it ever really happen?
G
March 25th, 2009
11:03 am
Mrs. G,
North Carolina – Obama Duke University.
No, on second thought, that pathetic school of lower learning is nowhere near good enough to bear our intelligent President’s name.
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
11:04 am
Nope. Not until you tell me what you think of the moderate democrats “alternative” plan to “T T T’s” plan. They don’t like his plan either. Your a democrat so complain to them not me.
G
March 25th, 2009
11:06 am
ll @ 11:03, according to the neocons, no.
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
11:06 am
Mrs. G:
P.S.
There’s only one “housewife” that outranks this old corporal and it ain’t you even if you said “please” ………. do your own homework.
lovelyliz
March 25th, 2009
11:07 am
The pro-life teachings of the Catholic church do not start and end with abortion. If anti-choice is your only claim to being a pro-lifer, being a pro-lifer is not what you are.
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
11:08 am
JAY: Have you seen this? Only one reason, the folks back home …..
HEADLINE/WASHINGTON POST: “Democrats Take Knife To Obama’s Budget”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/24/AR2009032403493.html?hpid=topnews
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
11:09 am
Corporal
OH Boy, I think you god Jesus mad at you with that 10:54.
As I remember it he was a pretty tolerant dude.
Never nuked a Pharisee or anything……
Dusty
March 25th, 2009
11:12 am
Oh my goodness, all in a tizzy over Obama speaking at Notre Dame. So…..?
I might suggest that Obama speak at Liberty University next. That would show how “broadminded” he is. Spread the love around as long as it is politically OK. Catholics did vote a majority for Obama, didn’t they? You have to figure out all the angles, folks. Keep the sheep in the fold.
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
March 25th, 2009
11:13 am
Whether Catholic or not (and I certainly am not) President Obama is not a life to be celebrated and emulated.
He has spread abortion (and thereby death of innocents) outside our borders and abdicated any moral authority by endorsing the creation, cloning, and killing of embryos.
Beyond that, once must truly wonder whether or not President Obama is a sociopath. Last night he spake that his budget would rtransion us from a “borrow and spend” nation to a “save and invest” nation. Since the nonpartisan (but appointed by Democrats) CBO estimates a $10 trillion increase in our nation debt at the hands of the Obama policies, how could anyone but A STONE-COLD LIAR SOCIOPATH make the “borrow and spend” to a “save and invest” transition staement? The sad thing is that the liberal sheople continue to bleat praise for Obama and kisss the ground above which this reprehensible sociopath walks.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
11:15 am
Corporal
Can’t link to an alternative plan by the conservatives/republicans?
Wonder why? Ain’t one!
James, Cool that you admit who runs your household.
Cheers and best wishes to your good wife!
(and I suspect nobody really is ranker than you!)
SaveOurRepublic
March 25th, 2009
11:20 am
If ND is to adhere to Catholic tenets, then they never should have invited (pro-abortion) “Bacrock Obuma” to begin with. I’m not Catholic, but I think any school that (supposedly) expounds the Christian faith shouldn’t invite a speaker/guest who supports something in direct conflict with Biblical principles. IMHO, they should rescind the invitation.
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
11:21 am
To Bishop Godzilla:
Well now ……………..
Since you mentioned it, Jesus was tolerant or non-tolerant depending on the siuation. I try to follow that lead.
1) He was “very” tolerant of sinners who were humble enough to sit down with Him for a meal and listen to His message.
He was “very” tolerant of His disciples (and even his family) who were often confused about His true mission on earth.
2) He was “very” intolerant with the Religious rulers of His day because they rejected Him. He called them “vipers”, “white-washed graves” and told them “you are of your father the devil”.
He was “very” intolerant with the money-changers who were desecrating His Father’s House, calmly took the time to “make a whip”, and then physically drove them away; turning over their tables and scattering their money.
3) The trouble with “most” liberal Christians is that they only want to see, preach, accept one side of Jesus. That won’t get it.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
11:29 am
So corporal..
based on this post of yours:
Tolerance – “The virtue of those who stand for nothing.”
Jesus only “stands for nothing” part time.
I’m sure he appreciates that!
Question
March 25th, 2009
11:42 am
Curious what PresBO’s message to graduates will be — “Aspire to nothing as we (the government) will now be responsible for your care and feeding. Achieve nothing as we will take everything to ensure we are being fair and patriotic to those whose are irresponsible and contribute nothing to society.”… Last I would like to thank President Obama….Oh wait, that’s not my talk on the teleprompter….
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
11:51 am
Mrs. Godzilla:
You continue to dodge the real issue but I’ll humor you.
Tolerance – “The virtue of those who stand for nothing”.
This is quite simple. Anyone who practices “tolerance” and “always tolerance” and NEVER “intolerance” stands for nothing! Get it?
Jesus was both tolerant and intolerant – therefore He does not fit the definition of just “tolerant”.
Now …… what part of Jesus’ “intolerance” do you not like?
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
12:02 pm
Coporal
Dodge what original issue?
Of course it was simple, silly!
Your quote “Tolerance – “The virtue of those who stand for nothing.””
Was nonsense.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
12:03 pm
oh and
Corporal
If it had said
COMPLETE AND FOREVER Tolerance of everything- “The virtue of those who stand for nothing.”
It would not have been nonsense!
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
12:12 pm
Mrs. Godzilla:
You’re screeching …… calm down.
You obviously have trouble with hyperbole (which I often use) but that’s not my problem
Now, I ask again: What part of Jesus’ “intolerance” do you not like?
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
12:16 pm
Corporal
I don’t “screech” but it’s a cute way of you trying to get out of
problem you have now that Jesus thinks you think he was only part time standing for something.
When you use a quote, try not using one that’s stupid.
You’re gonna need hugs more than ever now!
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
12:16 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8trsDPpAI5E
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
12:17 pm
Now, I ask again: What part of Jesus’ “intolerance” do you not like?
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
12:19 pm
Mrs. Godzilla:
Jesus doesn’t just “think” about me …. He “knows” me.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
12:22 pm
Yep, Corporal
and he knows your dancing around cause you posted a stupid quote.
but you’re lucky, he’s on tolerant time now!
You’re probably safe. A few Our Fathers on your knees might help!
Kamchak
March 25th, 2009
12:28 pm
@ CommunistAJC 8:47
“And it came out years later that Newt cheated on his wife.”
That should read “wives.” He served his first wife with divorce papers when she was in the hospital being treated for cancer. That made the news here in Atlanta. He was cheating on her with the second Mrs. Gingrich at the time. His second divorce was a particularly messy affair, that again, was in the Atlanta news. Just because you found out “years” later, doesn’t mean everybody was in the dark.
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
12:39 pm
Mrs. Godzilla:
Don’t worry about answering that question. He “knows” what you think about His “intolerance”.
By the way, I don’t do repetitive “Our Fathers” on my knees or similar penance as some teach. Jesus warned against that just before He gave us that prayer as a model.
Matthew 6:7
“But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.”
I just talk to Him as I would my Dad ………….
Well, the old Corporal has to go on patrol now. Check in with you guys this evening.
lovelyliz
March 25th, 2009
12:39 pm
There are plenty of Christians who think it’s anti-Christian to support the death penalty, the Iraq War (lots on dead innocents there), ignore the poor, etc., etc.
CommunistAJC
March 25th, 2009
12:45 pm
lovelyliz, yeah, their called Christians in name only. They don’t read their Bibles, don’t attend church and think Jesus was all about feeding the poor. At the same time these so-called Christians reject scripture.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
12:46 pm
Corporal
That’s how I talk to her….just like I would to my mom.
And of course he knows what I think and what I do and what I am…that’s a given for a person of faith.
CommunistAJC
March 25th, 2009
12:46 pm
And more bad news for the GUVVVVVVVVMINT.
Call for Help: Postal chief says agency crashing
WASHINGTON – Postmaster General John Potter said Wednesday the financially strapped U.S. Postal Service will run out of money this year without help from Congress.
The only lingering question, Potter told a House subcommittee, is which bills will get paid and which will not. He did say ensuring the payment of workers’ salaries comes first. But Potter also said other bills may have to wait.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/ap_on_go_ot/postal_woes
lovelyliz
March 25th, 2009
12:46 pm
Let’s say there is a list of the top 10 “pro-life” issues AND we’ll let abortion be #1 AND we’ll assume that everyone who says they are anti-abortion truly is and isn’t acting in the name of getting votes for anyone.
CANDIDATE #1 – Agrees with you on issue #1 and disagrees with you on issues #2 through #10
CANDIDATE #2 – Agrees with you on issue issues #2 through #10 and disagrees with you on issue #1
Are you or anyone else suppose to ignore the total record for one singular but important issue?
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
12:47 pm
corporal
just where does Jesus throw his support behind the death penalty?
lovelyliz
March 25th, 2009
12:50 pm
CommunistAJC
As do those who might actually read the Bible but who don’t comprehend any of it especailly when dealing with the least of his people, divorce, etc.
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
1:29 pm
Mrs. Godzilla:
Short patrol …. I’m back:
1) Regarding your 12:46
“He who hath seen me has seen the Father”.
Now, you can refer to God as your “Mom” if you want to but Jesus referred to Him (and all the ladies in the Bible did also) as Father. I don’t know where you got that (I’m just being nice – I really do) but remember “Satan can disquise himself as an angel of light”. Be careful.
2) “Just where does Jesus throw his support behind the death penalty?”
Excellent, thought provoking question. I have an answer for you, however, our dialogue/question asking is NOT going to be “one way”.
I previously asked you three times “What part of Jesus’ “intolerance” do you not like?” and you refused to address it.
You answer that and I will happily respond to your question.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
2:05 pm
COrporal
Of course, Jesus referred to God with a male pronoun. He was made in his image and likeness. Just like me – that’s why I use the feminine pronoun – as I was made in her image and likeness. One of the many very cool things about God….we are all made in God’s image and likeness and we are all sooooo different.
There’s nothing about Jesus that I dislike….Ok, one thing, he sets an
example that I at times find hard to follow.
I do dislike that stupid quote about tolerance and standing for nothing!
Irish 93
March 25th, 2009
2:42 pm
BTW . . . it’s the University of Notre Dame – not Notre Dame Univeristy.
None of today’s “outraged” protesters had much to say when pro-choice, pro-death penalty, pro-war, pro-torture Condoleezza Rice spoke at Notre Dame’s commencement. At least President Obama agrees with the Catholic Church on most of these issues.
Support the University’s decision. Sign the petition:
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The Corporal
March 25th, 2009
3:32 pm
Mrs. Godzilla:
1) Thanks for a reasonable attempt at answering my question. See, it wasn’t that hard and it’s much more polite than being “one way”.
a) Since you find nothing about Jesus that you dislike I assume you like everything He said or did.
b) No, Jesus was not “made” in God’s likeness. He only took on human form as God Himself. Jesus was God from eternity past. “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God ….”. “All things were made by Him”. “If you have seen Me you have seen the Father”. “I and the Father are one”. Jesus is fully God and as thus was never created. He was from the beginning. That is the basic tenet of Christianity. To believe otherwise is an attempt to de-deify Christ and false doctrine/heresy.
c) Man and woman are made in God’s image meaning we are triune beings with a body, soul and spirit (yet one person) much like God is a triune being yet “One”.
d) If Jesus taught all of his followers (including women) to pray, “Our Father”, why would you object to that? Not being a little rebellious are you? Be careful …. as I said before “Satan can disquise Himself as an angel of light”.
e) Jesus is returning to reign forever as “King” but not “queen”. I hope you will not address Him as queen.
2) Your question about the death penalty is a good one. There is no scripture saying “I am for the death penalty” (as there is none saying I am for jail terms for bank fraud) so we must infer based on the totality of the scriptures (I could give you many) taken in their proper context. With that in mind, I believe it is Biblical for certain heinious crimes and certainly murder. Remember, even the thief on the cross said “he justly deserved this”.
With this in mind, what more of a “death sentence” is there than eternity in hell. For everytime Jesus mentioned heaven, He warned of hell many more times. As a human being I don’t understand that but I don’t get to make the rules.
I hope I have answered “your” question. If not, fine tune it and I’ll try again.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
3:48 pm
A. Thanks
B. Not all Christian’s go for that.
C. A very cool thing, like I said.
D. I trust the J man….no problem. Satan can also disguise himself as a marine.
E. Jesus returning to live as king, not queen? That’s good ‘cuz lot’s of fundamentalists have problems with Queens.
and last, so you can’t show where Big J supported the death penalty.
Gee that was fun!
Corporal, we are sooo very different.
I’ll keep you in my prayers!
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
4:02 pm
Oh and Corporal,
I suspect the folks in North Dakota (the other ND) could use both our prayers today.
The Corporal
March 25th, 2009
5:52 pm
Mrs. G.:
Enjoyed most of the exchange, even your “humor” (as opposed to debate) as long as the personal attacks are kept to a minimum.
Yes, they need our prayers as does the entire country.
Take care ………….
Dave R
March 25th, 2009
5:59 pm
Bosch, I aim to please.
OK, you’re crazy.
Richard Swinger
March 27th, 2009
1:33 pm
**AMDG**
Maybe if the President advocated doing the hoo hoo with little alter boys that might sit a little better with them huh?
Or maybe celebacy while really being a closet homo pedo??
Spare us all the self righteous drivel please.
GMan
March 27th, 2009
5:09 pm
Question… How many pro-capital punishment Christians are there on this blog?
GOP – Angry Old White Man’s Party… soon to go the way of the dinosaur!