For Israelis and Arabs, perpetual war
About a year or two ago, I realized that I had lost all hope for a peace settlement in the Middle East. Both sides are too far gone; the radicals and extremists have become the mainstream, and they are all more comfortable being at perpetual war with each other than they would be in peace. This is what they have come to know.
Stories like this confirm that conclusion.
The worst part is, I think that dooms Israel in the long run. A nation of six or seven million on a relatively tiny spit of open land cannot survive forever surrounded by hundreds of millions of hostile enemies. Today it has the power, but things change over time. Power ebbs and flows. Empires come and go.
Israel can last another 20 years, another 50 years, maybe another 70 years surrounded by people who hate it. But 100 years? 200 years?
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Joe Matarotz
March 25th, 2009
6:00 pm
Jay, as usual, does this story have a POINT? Is there an ANSWER? You used to write thoughtful columns, even if I rarely agreed with you. Is this a sign that you have given up the ship?
ByteMe
March 25th, 2009
6:11 pm
To have peace, both sides need to actually want peace. Right now, the extremists rule. Same as in 2002 here. Eventually people weary of a perpetual low-level state of war and look for other answers. That time will come. I think peace with Syria will suck the air out of the situation, so that might be a goal with some value.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 25th, 2009
6:30 pm
Yes, Clueless Joe. the point is, Jay thinks stuff like ” a secret deal with Yisrael Beiteinu leader Avigdor Lieberman for highly contentious construction on West Bank” bodes poorly for peace.
You want to discuss, discuss. You don’t want to, do us all a favor and leave.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
6:35 pm
It breaks my heart. ByteMe is right, they have to want peace and not enough of them do.
Taxpayer
March 25th, 2009
6:46 pm
Jay,
There will be no peace. The best course of action is to just leave all parties in the region to do as they will. They are all prisoners in a self-imposed epic battle to their end time and we are not about to change that. Besides, they all appear to be happy, in their own perverted way, with living in a hell on earth, so let them. Our goal should be to try and keep any of them from taking out the rest of the planet in their quests for eternal glory.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 25th, 2009
6:49 pm
From the kind of stuff I’ve heard about this Avigdor Lieberman character, I can’t say this news about the secret deal comes as any great surprise.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 25th, 2009
6:55 pm
Downstairs, Jay writes:
OK, Commie, Chad and Trash are now banned.
Fine by me. Anyone have a problem with this?
Taxpayer
March 25th, 2009
7:15 pm
Amid a downturn in real-estate prices, some wealthy Chinese are signing up for home-buying tours to the U.S., and Chinese media tout the trend as another sign of the strength of what’s now the world’s third-largest economy behind the U.S. and Japan.
“The real estate prices in America have gone down drastically,” said Yin Guohua, a partner in a law firm who recently returned from an 11-day U.S. tour with a group of Chinese elite. “It’s a good option for Chinese people who want to buy for investment.”
Well, it is getting a little crowded in China. Perhaps, the Israelis should consider the same approach while US homes are so cheap. They can take over a whole state, such as Florida, without firing a shot.
The Corporal
March 25th, 2009
7:16 pm
Jay:
Perpetual war? Nope – only until Messiah returns …………
RW-(the original)
March 25th, 2009
7:18 pm
DB @ 6:55,
I left my thoughts on that downstairs since that’s where the comment was made.
In the old luckovich blog days it was very much a free for all, but almost everybody left whatever trash had accumulated back on the thread where it was generated. It was actually pretty cool when a nasty disagreement was taking place we were able to contain it, for the most part, where it started. A new one would soon break out on the new thread, but at least it was new.
Kamchak
March 25th, 2009
7:19 pm
The only problem I have with banning people is that it enables their victimhood. The mindset “OH MY GOD I cannot BELIEVE what THEY are doing to US” has now been exemplified.
I Report/ You Whine
March 25th, 2009
7:21 pm
They’ve already lasted thousands of years, including being banished to the desert for a time by the Main Man.
Your crocodile tears are not necessary.
Taxpayer
March 25th, 2009
7:22 pm
only until Messiah returns
And, when is that, Corporal.
I Report/ You Whine
March 25th, 2009
7:25 pm
Fine by me. Anyone have a problem with this?
What’s up with the marauding from the self proclaimed watch puppies on this blog?
It’s nothing BUT personal attacks.
Mike
March 25th, 2009
7:25 pm
“Downstairs, Jay writes:
OK, Commie, Chad and Trash are now banned.”
This is a step in the right direction. Make it permanent.
G
March 25th, 2009
7:27 pm
Off topic
Communist is banned – d@mn, well, just d@mn.
I had so much good stuff for tonight.
G
March 25th, 2009
7:27 pm
Until Israel truly recognizes the pre-1967 borders, no equitable solution will happen.
Our failure to pressure Israel on this matter has prevented forward movement and caused the situation to worsen.
The Corporal
March 25th, 2009
7:31 pm
Taxpayer:
Only “He” knows ………
Taxpayer
March 25th, 2009
7:36 pm
Well,
Corporal. That sort of leaves the door open on that ‘perpetual’ thought, now don’t it.
G
March 25th, 2009
7:37 pm
Off topic
House Minority WHIP Eric Cantor, Rushpublicant-Virginia, attended the Britney Spears concert last night, where Britney appeared on stage brandishing a LEATHER LASH.
You can’t make this stuff up.
Eric/Britney 2012
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
7:38 pm
Forever? No Commie, Trash and Chad? Can we talk about it in April?
How about giving them a spring break?
G
March 25th, 2009
7:43 pm
You think Communist might be reading this tonight?
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
7:47 pm
G
This will not do my karma any good but….yep.
I wonder. I’ve been “removed” but never banned. Does he try and sign on and his lap top melts? Does he get a little message that says you’re banned?
Andy, you been banned, what’s it like on the dark side?
Taxpayer
March 25th, 2009
7:51 pm
The dark side of the blog. I wonder if Pink Floyd would consider one last tour. It could even be a virtual tour.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 25th, 2009
7:55 pm
RW, I’ll go downstairs and have a look.
The Luckovich comments thread were pretty much before my time.
RW-(the original)
March 25th, 2009
7:56 pm
Doesn’t common decency say you shouldn’t take shots at people when they can’t respond?
Taxpayer
March 25th, 2009
7:57 pm
Eric Cantor and leather. ew. Make that, EW! Besides, Britney is what, old enough to be his mama.
G
March 25th, 2009
7:59 pm
Taxpayer @ 7:57,
Yeah, she is. And they’re both batsheet crazy.
Taxpayer
March 25th, 2009
8:00 pm
Doesn’t common decency say you shouldn’t take shots at people when they can’t respond?
I am not going to stop taking shots at conservatives (Republicans) — common decency or not.
RW-(the original)
March 25th, 2009
8:01 pm
DB,
I didn’t write anything worth heading down there for, but there’s always the exercise value if you take the stairs.
G
March 25th, 2009
8:02 pm
I had heard talk of Eric being a “rising” star in the Rushpublicant party.
ConservativeAnchor
March 25th, 2009
8:03 pm
It doesn’t help when the Obozo administration gives Hamas $900M in which they will buy more weapons.
Bosch
March 25th, 2009
8:04 pm
Jay is correct, the extremists are in charge now in Israel, and this doesn’t look good. The people have elected these extremists, so a majority must feel strongly enough that this is the road they chose. I just hope they can live (literally) with these choices. As DB mentioned, what I’ve read about this Lieberman guy, he’s ready to fight.
Commie, GHT, and Chad banned? Well, I have to rule in on Chad – he is very harsh, but can back up his argument with some pretty good documentation and is usually met with much harsher posters who never address his argument, but rebut with only insults. Alot of what Chad posts is over my head, or something I’ve never heard of, but I usually take posters at their word. RW and Corporal, I checked in late Saturday night and read your exchanges with Chad, and while Chad was very harsh, he can back up what he says, you two just brushed him off as a habitual drug user or crazy. You never attempted to address what he had posted. Not to start an argument or trying to defend his harshness, but when Chad first started posting he wasn’t like that – I’ve never seen anyone try to discount his actual argument.
Off topic and for the ladies (and who knows some men): Would you stick your feet in a tank full of flesh eating fish – to get the dead skin off? I know this may be TMI, but if I did that, I could feed those fish for months – they’d think they had struck the mother load.
RW-(the original)
March 25th, 2009
8:04 pm
Taxpayer,
I know full well that you wouldn’t know common decency if it was biting your butt and suffering lockjaw, but to be specific, common decency should dictate that when Commie, Chad, and trash can’t respond we shouldn’t take shots at them.
G
March 25th, 2009
8:04 pm
I’ll take shots at whomever I want, whenever I want.
G
March 25th, 2009
8:06 pm
Bosch, I have that problem too. But I’m using a pumice stone.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 25th, 2009
8:07 pm
(huff, puff) Ok, I’m back from the jog down and back.
RW, who was the post @ 7.56 aimed at? (I didn’t think it was me because I didn’t really take any “shots” per se at the banned people, I just said I was fine with having them banned.)
Anyway, these are hardly “people” in the sense that you’re talking about human beings, but rather over-the-top screen personae playing at being tough guys on the internet. I’ll admit to finding occasional merit in a Chad post, but he was mostly about slamming everyone who’d fight with him. GHT of course peddled stereotypes about Southerners without the wit and on-topic insight of a Redneck Convert.
And Commie’s just a friggin’ mess; he has more issues than a newstand.
Later, all.
G
March 25th, 2009
8:09 pm
More free publicity for Britney Spears at the mercy of the GOP.
Kamchak
March 25th, 2009
8:10 pm
“Doesn’t common decency say you shouldn’t take shots at people when they can’t respond?”
This is what commercial talk-radio has been doing for thirty five years. An entire generation has been programmed with a binary modality. Monkey see, monkey do.
G
March 25th, 2009
8:10 pm
I’ll bet Eric worked on the Rushpublicant budget plan at Britney’s show last night.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
8:11 pm
RW
Common decency is for common folk. Chad, Commie and Trash are pretty uncommon. Me too, I suppose.
I really want to know.
JAY….PARDON ME, JAY…..
What happens when you’re banned? I’m not planning anything mind you, just curious.
G
March 25th, 2009
8:13 pm
Yeah, Jay, what happens? Enquiring minds want to know.
RW-(the original)
March 25th, 2009
8:13 pm
DB,
I thought the 7:56 was openly addressed to anyone that wanted to take shots at Chad, Commie, and Trash while they were blocked, but from the various responses it must not read the way it looks in my head.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 25th, 2009
8:15 pm
Meant to add (and then, really, I’m outa here) in principle RW’s right. When people aren’t around to defend themselves, it’s… well, indecent isn’t the right term, it’s more like poor sportsmanship.
Put it this way–Thom Hartmann often debates conservatives on his show. His standing rule is that callers he’ll take later on are not allowed to take shots at his guests after they’ve left. Figure that’s a pretty good rule.
But, well, these are online trolls we’re talking about here. I think they’d be horribly disappointed if we weren’t talking about them, actually. So maybe that’s reason enough to… not knock them.
It’s been a long day. I’m making even less sense then usual. Later, all.
Bosch
March 25th, 2009
8:18 pm
RW,
I kind of like that Jay takes the time to ban those who can’t hold their fingers (I was gonna say tongue, but since we type all this, well you know).
On Luckovich’s blog, I think, don’t know of course, that he just threw it up and never looked at it and it was a free for all, and let’s face it human behavior, when you assume to be anonymous, people were alot more vitrol. I like this better.
It would be nice if people could actually debate, but bwa!!!!!
@@
March 25th, 2009
8:18 pm
I may be wrong, but I think jay’s intention when banning someone is not to have them —–>distract<—– from the topic.
With liberals it appears that absence makes their hearts grow fonder.
I really had no problem with “the two” (GHT & AJCC) but “one” was clearly teetering on the edge of insanity.
G
March 25th, 2009
8:19 pm
The whole Eric/Britney thing is so odd. But no more strange than Steele talking about running for president. Jindal the future of the Rushpublicant party? The GOP has gone bonkers.
RW-(the original)
March 25th, 2009
8:19 pm
Mrs. G,
If you truly want to know Jay doesn’t really even have the capability of blocking anyone, but I imagine when they use their normal setup they get a message saying their message couldn’t be accepted kind of like what used to happen when you tried to post after a thread had been turned off for commenting.
There’s a nasty little piece of code that Jay B could put on here where someone that was blocked could post all day long and they would see the posts appear, but nobody else would see their comments.
@@
March 25th, 2009
8:22 pm
There’s a nasty little piece of code that Jay B could put on here where someone that was blocked could post all day long and they would see the posts appear, but nobody else would see their comments.
Well, that’s spooky. They’re here but they’re not here?
RW-(the original)
March 25th, 2009
8:24 pm
Bosch,
The early days at luchovich’s blog had some fire, but also some good discussion. In those days it posted in real time with no refresh glitches or anything so it was easier to have a debate. I think once they started putting in all the “fixes” people just threw their hands up and just attacked each other because they made it impossible to have a discussion.
I thought we might have gotten back to those days with the move to Wordpress, but this crazy refresh problem is more maddening than the delay.
@@
March 25th, 2009
8:25 pm
O.K., so if the “one” is here, I just want you to know that my concern for your mental well-being is sincere.
just in case you’re here, but not really…
here.
Enough about the departed or not so…
RW-(the original)
March 25th, 2009
8:25 pm
@@,
That’s about right. They would only appear to themselves.
Bosch
March 25th, 2009
8:26 pm
RW,
Oh that would be cool, it’s like when you talk to yourself (don’t ask how I know that).
G
March 25th, 2009
8:26 pm
Question: What do you call an online troll?
Answer: A piece of sheet.
Tank
March 25th, 2009
8:27 pm
- Feds able to take over failing banks.
- Feds able to take over failing companies.
- Feds able to take bonuses paid to citizens under a private contract.
- Attorney General stating that murders and turmoil south of the border is a product of US firearm availability and using that as a springboard for discussing banning private ownership of private firearms.
- Movement from market driven medicine towards socialized medical care.
- Fed saying it is okay with a move away from the dollar and towards a new international monetary standard.
- Discussion of the Fed dictating radio programming, as opposed to market driven programming.
- Congress considering a bill mandating open balloting for unionization voting.
This isn’t right-wing “nutter-butter”, the sky-is-falling rhetoric; this actually happening in the United States of America. And the sad thing is, America bought into it hook, line and sinker.
Socialism, fascism, communism; call it what you will. It is CHANGE you can believe in and I never thought I would see it happen here. Cuba and Venezuela maybe, but not in America.
@@
March 25th, 2009
8:28 pm
Thank goodness! RW can see me.
I’m here….pinch me.
Taxpayer
March 25th, 2009
8:28 pm
Thank you, RW.
G
March 25th, 2009
8:29 pm
Communist,
It’s okay you went to Duke.
Really, really, it is.
Bosch
March 25th, 2009
8:29 pm
RW,
I agree the “refresh with some posts missing” is annoying, but nothing is perfect.
RW-(the original)
March 25th, 2009
8:31 pm
Bosch,
It’s kind of a giveaway after one realizes nobody responds to any of their posts, but we’ve had more than a few at the AJC that might never notice.
G
March 25th, 2009
8:32 pm
Tank,
Pick one, just one. GAH!
Bosch
March 25th, 2009
8:34 pm
RW @ 8:31,
Yeah, I agree. Maybe those are the folks we see walking down the street talking to themselves!
I’ve got a large bottle of Scotch to drink! I’ll check back later – ha ha- or maybe I should rethink that – what’s that saying about blogging/emailing while drunk?
@@
March 25th, 2009
8:35 pm
I saw where Holder blamed the violence in Mexico on arms flowing in from the U.S. I had the very same thought — banning private ownership of guns. They really are sneaky in how they go about it.
Why would the government want its citizens to be unarmed?
I was over at a site earlier this afternoon. Breaking it down, they were.
I cast my vote for purple bandanas to be worn in the revolution. Red & Blue makes purple.
Pink would be nice. I look good in pink.
G
March 25th, 2009
8:38 pm
Communist,
It’s okay for you to admit you terminate gestations.
There now. Everything will be alright.
Taxpayer
March 25th, 2009
8:38 pm
I thought @@ was over at Wooten’s blog. Oh yes, she was. Was Wooten with you on the purple bandanas.
ByteMe
March 25th, 2009
8:38 pm
RW: Pretty sure the “ban” is an IP-based ban. Doesn’t seem like a necessary step to make the comments “appear but not appear”, especially when Jay announces the ban publicly.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 25th, 2009
8:38 pm
Thanks RW.
@@
March 25th, 2009
8:39 pm
G:
Who are you talking/typing to?
@@
March 25th, 2009
8:43 pm
Taxpayer:
Wooten doesn’t come in to bother his posters. I saw Hillbilly Deluxe’s suggestion downstairs about jay and Jim posting simultaneously on the same topic. What would be really interesting is if they would both drop in and out on each other’s respective blogs to engage — maybe even cross paths engaging in a discussion between columnists online.
G
March 25th, 2009
8:43 pm
@@,
Are you relevant? At all?
RW-(the original)
March 25th, 2009
8:44 pm
Thank you ByteMe.
@@
March 25th, 2009
8:48 pm
G:
Let me guess….I need some sort of credentials to be relevant? An “O” pass perhaps?
Oooohmmmmm, he is the greatest.
Oooohmmmmm, he is the magnificent.
Oooohmmmmm, he is not to be believed.
Oooohmmmmm…..(fill in the blank here, G-spot)
G
March 25th, 2009
8:53 pm
@@,
You’ll never be relevant.
Taxpayer
March 25th, 2009
8:53 pm
@@,
Are you sure that they don’t pop in and out from time to time. I think that Dusty is Wooten.
G
March 25th, 2009
8:54 pm
ByteMe is extremely knowledgable.
G
March 25th, 2009
8:56 pm
@@,
You’ll never, be, at all.
ConservativeAnchor
March 25th, 2009
8:57 pm
Jay I disagree with one basic point of your write up here. Isreal will survive in the near term and 200 years from now be intact.
Why?
Political Islam will fail. Political Islam is a tyranny matched only Hitler. Freedom and democracy are marching forth across this globe.
Are there fights? Yes. In the last eight years 50M people have been released from this tyranny in Afghanistan and Iraq. Iran, the cesspool head of political Islam tyranny is surrounded.
Iran in its current form of Political Islam is destined to fail. There will be blood spilled, but none-the-less it will fail.
The future looks bright.
Kamchak
March 25th, 2009
8:59 pm
Wwwwwwwwww, he is the greatest.
Wwwwwwwwww, he is the magnificent.
Wwwwwwwwww, he is not to be believed.
Wwwwwwwwww,….(fill in the blank here,@@)
G
March 25th, 2009
9:03 pm
Eric supports strong United States-Israel relations.
He cosponsored legislation to cut off all U.S. taxpayer aid to the Palestinian Authority and another bill calling for an end to taxpayer aid to the Palestinians until they stop unauthorized excavations on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.
In May 2008, Eric said that the relationship America has with Israel is “a constant reminder of the greatness of America”.
Now this was all pre-Britney, mind you.
Bud Wiser
March 25th, 2009
9:08 pm
Arabs and Jews have been fighting over the same piec of land since mankind figured out how to actually write, then record events = history.
Jimmy Carter didn’t bring peace to the Middle East (PTTME), neither did Reagan, the Bushes, Clinton, nor will Obama. Jesus Christ didn’t bring PTTME, so it’s pretty much beyond the capability of man to handle it.
That being said, the power shifts and checks and balances will probably pretty much stay indefinitely as they are now, until some brainiac decides to make the land glow in the dark….if you catch my meaning.
Our only sense of purpose there should be to try to make each side see the meaninglessness of the ‘ultimate weapon’ being used, although my own prediction is that we shall see biological or chemical attacks on a wide scale before the nukes are lit.
On a side note, I noticed that there was a group ban today of Commie, Trash, and Chad. Trash should be permanent, as he is the most vulgar and crude poster to ever appear here. Commie just lets loose occasionally, a bit vituperously (is that a word??), but sometimes is actually accurate. Chad…well, just say that other than the fact that he has a real personality disorder, it has always seemed as if gasoline runs through his veins, and although I always thought I was his personal ignition source, it appears that everyone has matches in their pockets to him. Good riddance.
@@
March 25th, 2009
9:08 pm
G:
Then don’t respond to me.
Kamchak:
Wwwwwwww,….(is gone.)
Sawyer’s on. Don’t wanna miss those dimples.
Taxpayer:
Dusty is herself. I like that in a person!
G
March 25th, 2009
9:11 pm
Hey guys, the Rushpublicants have learned a new word, check it out, they are all using it. Rushpublicants have learned the word “teleprompter,” bless their poor ignorant hearts!
Kamchak
March 25th, 2009
9:11 pm
@@
My point: What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Rock, meet glass house
ByteMe
March 25th, 2009
9:13 pm
Is Britney relevant, G? Hasn’t seemed like it lately, but maybe Eric will have a different view on this… if he were relevant.
Meanwhile…
I’m rethinking what I wrote about Israel. I think it’s going to continue until the world stops enabling it. And by “the world” I mean:
Russia enabling the Iranians and other parties to make trouble to keep the US busy defending Israel.
US enabling Israel’s continued expansion into the West Bank in moves that are guaranteed to piss Arabs off.
The UN enabling the Palestinians to keep lobbing missles into Israel, but dropping a load in its pants every time Israel fights back.
The world enabling Arab fiefdoms to export Islamist nuttiness by continuing to rely on Arab oil fields for their energy supplies.
As long as the dynamics don’t change, the players and the outcome don’t have to change.
G
March 25th, 2009
9:13 pm
@@,
Uh, no way would I respond to you. Ewwww!
jon
March 25th, 2009
9:15 pm
Scientific enlightenment is the only hope for peace.
As long as different groups of people believe in different supreme beings, there will always be war.
Only when most people on earth become scientifically minded enough to leave their superstitions and realize: “This is it baby, may has well make the best of it.” will there be peace on earth.
Unfortunately none of us will live long enough to see it.
Dusty
March 25th, 2009
9:17 pm
Yes, RW
I had a good time with the Luckovich blog. It was a lot of fun. I enjoyed most folks (and met the Viking Kitties among other pleasures). Getalife was sparky, Buy Danish was sharp and it was interesting with you and @@ and a few more.(Remember your trips to the beach?)Politics became more interesting. But it was invaded by bitter politicos determined to trash all Republicans. And the blog sank lower than mud. Even Luckovich must have realized the pure bitterness and he or somebody shut it down. I miss the congeniality we had for awhile. I hardly try for it anymore.
But I will say, Bookman is giving his blog a chance at surviving. It is worth a try I suppose.
RW-(the original)
March 25th, 2009
9:18 pm
It occurs to me that if the “rule” cited downstairs was actually a rule there would a fourth poster-in-exile right about now.
G’night y’all.
G
March 25th, 2009
9:19 pm
ByteMe,
I’d like to roll Eric/Britney into a little bundle, ship them to the Wailing Wall and have them inserted in one of the holes.
rcs
March 25th, 2009
9:19 pm
RW, I was thinking the same thing.
ByteMe
March 25th, 2009
9:21 pm
MMmmmm…. Michael Steele now claims that his Rush attack was really a strategic move on his part. Really.
See the video: http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2273823
G
March 25th, 2009
9:22 pm
RW @ 9:18,
You haven’t been all that naughty tonight. Go easy on yourself.
ByteMe
March 25th, 2009
9:23 pm
G: Reminds me of the Beatles lyric: “how many ho’s does it take to fill the wailing wall…”
RW-(the original)
March 25th, 2009
9:25 pm
Dusty,
Here’s the kitties for an encore presentation before I sign off.
G
March 25th, 2009
9:26 pm
ByteMe,
That’s one of my all time favorites.
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
9:26 pm
Taxpayer:
1) It’s very simple. When He returns the “perpetual” is over …..
“Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. No longer will there be any curse.”
2) From our dialogue on the previous thread:
“Whatever you say ……… but in the future try to read the “handle” correctly and at least direct your “spelling” remarks to the right person.”
ByteMe
March 25th, 2009
9:30 pm
Ok, this is too funny.
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/pragues_franz_kafka_international?utm_source=a-section
Franz Kafka International voted “most alienating” airport….
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
9:31 pm
Bosch:
I don’t know how “Chad” used to be but he insists now on involving himself in personal attacks on anyone who offers a differing opinion.
As a result of that behavior he (along with one other) are on my permanent “do not dialogue with” list. I’m sure he is crushed in not being able to debate with me but I feel better. If you don’t want to engage in reasoned debate then ignore my posts. If you think I don’t debate then ignore me. It’s just that simple.
RB from Gwinnett
March 25th, 2009
9:34 pm
Bosch, are you serious? “the extremists are in charge now in Israel”? And that’s why there can’t be peace between them? What in the world do you consider a Hamas led Palestine?
Question for you… If Canada elected a government hell bent on destroying our nation and was firing rockets across the border daily, would you be more inclined to elect a pacifist or someone who would protect your nation?
I Report/ You Whine
March 25th, 2009
9:37 pm
Supposedly the result of the sun shooting “plasma balls” at us, according to NASA, the National Assinine and Stupidity Association-
First to go – immediately for some people – is drinkable water. Anyone living in a high-rise apartment, where water has to be pumped to reach them, would be cut off straight away. For the rest, drinking water will still come through the taps for maybe half a day. With no electricity to pump water from reservoirs, there is no more after that.
Blah, blah, blah, ever heard of back up generators, bozos?
geez, what a bunch of dorks.
Kamchak
March 25th, 2009
9:38 pm
On topic:
This squabble has it’s roots in a familiy matter involving Abraham and his decendants. His wife, an Israelite, could not bear him a son(but later did), so he impregnated his slave/servant, an Arab. Inheritance issues ensued. Fast forward a few thousand years, and we find super-powers exploiting this rift and making gazillions of dollars selling/testing weapon systems.
Beware the military-industrial complex.
G
March 25th, 2009
9:40 pm
ByteMe,
That was hysterical! Thanks for the link. And I haven’t seen Bobbie Battista in forever.
Dusty
March 25th, 2009
9:43 pm
Thank you, @@. I just backed up and read a bit. Very nice.
I’m a bit down today. An older lady who is a long time member of our church was driving her husband to a day center for Alzheimer’s patients. He doesn’t seem to know anybody these days. Not too long ago he was an enginer(EE) with a large company and president of council at church.
Nobody is sure but she evidently lost consciousness for some reason while driving and ran into a telephone pole. She was killed instantly and he was hardly scratched. I don’t think he even realizes what happened. So many sad aspects to this terrible happening.
Well, tomorrow, rain or not, I shall be out amongst ‘em. No moping around!
(One son is doing exercises behind my back while the TV blasts. Don’t you just love peace and quiet!)
rcs
March 25th, 2009
9:45 pm
Food Network is showing a Chicago Pizza Throwdown with Bobby Flay.
Anyone know where to get a good authenic Chicago pizza in Atlanta?
RB from Gwinnett
March 25th, 2009
9:47 pm
BTW, in case you missed it, the Obama admin attempted to halt the sales of spent shell casings from the military to reloaders who reloaded the cartriges and sold them to police depts and private citizens last week. The move would have required they be destroyed instead of reloaded and reduced them to scrap metal which would have reduced the value by 80%.
Why would they do that if not an attempt to remove ammo from the market? If they can’t make guns illegal, they’ll eliminate the ammo market instead??
I challenge all you libs to tell me why they would do this if not for back door gun control.
I’m trying to give Obama the respect his office is due, but I don’t trust this man.
G
March 25th, 2009
9:51 pm
Rachel Maddow’s show is almost over, so I’ll be off to bed soon.
Good night, sleep tight, don’t let the bedbugs bite, er, well, it’ll be okay with me if they bite some of you.
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
9:59 pm
May I get Biblical here? I know some of you don’t like this but it’s a free country and here it is in its most basic form:
1) God instituted His plan for the salvation of mankind.
He promised to come again to reign as the “King of Israel”.
2) That plan involved Israel – a people He chose.
3) That plan also involved a Messiah from His chosen people.
4) All through Israel’s history, Satan tried to destory them to keep the Messiah from coming.
5) The Messiah came the first time as a “suffering servant”.
6) Satan tried to kill him as a child to thwart His plan.
7) The Messiah completed His plan and arose from the grave.
9) Satan is again trying to thwart that plan by destoying Israel.
10)Israel is not perfect but those who fight against her fight against God.
11)When Messiah Yeshua/Joshua/Jesus returns he will destroy evil, save Israel and set up His Kingdom.
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
10:00 pm
P.S. I’m not sure how that smiley face got in there. Maybe it’s a miracle !!!
Kamchak
March 25th, 2009
10:02 pm
RB from Gwinnett:
What kind of shells? What calibre? How many times have these same shells been reloaded? There is such a thing as metal fatigue. Some shells used in the military use depleted uranium for its’ armor piercing capability, so these shells are radio-active. These are just a few reasons that may be used.
Dusty
March 25th, 2009
10:04 pm
RW,
I tried to get the Viking Kitties to come up but no luck. NO VIKING KITTIES!!! Now that’s no fun at all!!
Thanks for sending them even if they didn’t make it! Sob!! Sniff!!
Taxpayer
March 25th, 2009
10:15 pm
Corporal @ 9:26,
For your first item, please allow me to summarize as succinctly as possible. In Chess terms you were in check after my 7:22 comment on your 7:16 to Jay and it was mate after my 7:36 to your 7:31. Trust me on this.
For your second item, I concede.
Taxpayer
March 25th, 2009
10:27 pm
Andy @ 9:37, it is probably best that you remain in the dark.
RB from Gwinnett
March 25th, 2009
10:31 pm
Kam, good points, but they would not have ceased selling radioactive shells or fatigued shells, they would never have sold them to begin with. Good effort, but keep trying.
Corporal
March 25th, 2009
10:34 pm
Taxpayer:
1) Regarding your “chess terms” flow chart I’ll admit you have lost me.
But … if I am wrong on my point about “His” return … no big deal … but if I am right … very, very, very big deal. Someday we will know.
2) Thank you for your honest concession.
Kamchak
March 25th, 2009
10:44 pm
RB you were looking for reasons, I gave them to you. It very well may be as you suggest, but you still did not answer my questions. I am not pro gun control as I believe a well armed populace has the ability to rise up agaist a tyrannical government. The only thing that would be accomplished is to go down fighting. An untrained under-equipped populace is no match for a trained fighting force. Any vision of some kind of “Red Dawn” scenario is unrealistic.
That being said–new ammunition is readily available, so I wouldn’t be concerned until new restrictions are put on these new shells.
Bosch
March 25th, 2009
10:53 pm
yes, RB, the extremists are in charge in Israel. Read up on it. Google “Lieberman” and “Israel” and it’s not Joe Lieberman from over on our side.
Does anyone want to discuss death and how it looks with me? Do any of you have old people living with you who are currently yelling about eating cake? Do any of you know the definition of irony?
Does anyone else think it is weird that Commie gets banned and RB shows up?
RB from Gwinnett
March 25th, 2009
10:55 pm
Kam, I asked for “good” reasons. Your reason was a good effort, but was not a reasonable explanation.
Ammo is not readily available today. Go visit any ammo supplier and look at their shelves. Bare. Local WalMart stores have a sign posted saying they’re out because their suppliers can’t keep up with demand (not Obama’s fault, but he caused it). Taking the millions of reloads out of circulation would make matters much worse.
I’m not worried about a “Red Dawn” situation because I don’t believe most of our miltary would follow that order.
RB from Gwinnett
March 25th, 2009
11:03 pm
Bosch, I noticed you didn’t answer my question, but that’s ok, you rarely do.
I never said Israel didn’t have an extremist in charge, I merely pointed out the election of Hamas as the leadership of Palestine and their actions of late are a good reason to elect someone willing to ensure survival vs. the Bosch method of surrender at all costs.
Jay is more than welcome to verify I’m not one of the banned.
Kamchak
March 25th, 2009
11:06 pm
RB: again you didn’t answer my questions. What kind of ammo? What calibre? Your explanation that they wouldn’t sell fatigued or radio-active metal is your opinion, not fact.
Military men are trained to follow orders, and I believe if they are ordered to fire on armed combatants, they will follow that order. They will be prying your/my weapon from your/my cold,dead fingers.
RB from Gwinnett
March 25th, 2009
11:16 pm
Kam, here is part of the letter that was sent to the reloaders who were buying the spent shells. If they were reloading them and selling to police and public, you would have to assume they were common sizes(9mm, .40, etc)
“Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in conjunction with DLA’s current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of destruction is required in either case.”
Kamchak
March 25th, 2009
11:34 pm
RB
Interesting letter, but no where in it is an explanation of motive. You are speculating as to the motive, and I have conceded that it may be correct, but it is still speculation.
By the way-at 9:47 you wrote “I challenge all you libs to tell me why they would do this if not for back door gun control.” Then at 10:55 you said you asked for “‘good’ reasons”. I gave you plausible explanations that you have not refuted except for opinion. Have you examined/tested these shells? If so, then I stand(sit) corrected.
jaypat
March 26th, 2009
1:04 am
Monotheism is the dumbest idea ever.
Most of what is written in the Pentateuch, the first 5 books of the Bible, is malarkey.
In the beginning, the earth is at least 4.3 billion years old. That’s 4,300,000,000 years old. That is a very long time, in human terms. The Bible claims that the earth is 6,000 years old, give or take a couple of hundred years.
The Bible claims that there was a global flood that covered the entire earth. In spite of hundreds of years of searching, there has never been any evidence ever found that there was a universal flood. It never happened. The entire story of Noah and the flood is a myth. It never happened. What probably happened was that about 7150 years ago, a geologic event happened. and the Straits of Bosphorus opened and the Mediterrean Sea flowed into the area now occupied by the Black Sea. There are remnants of villages under the Black Sea which could only have happened if the area was above water when the villages were built.
And where did the mythical Ark land? In nearby Turkey, atop Mt. Ararat.
We do each other a very big favor if we forgot all about religion and simply looked at each other as another human being.
I doubt that the new Israeli government will take a different tack to the one before, but there is the judgement of history bearing down on them, and they don’t have much time left.
I Report/ You Whine
March 26th, 2009
6:12 am
Come on, Bookman, this is lame-
‘Socialist’ Obama bails out capitalism By Jay Bookman But that’s not what’s happening. Quite the contrary, instead of undoing capitalism, Obama is trying desperately to reform and save it.-Urinal
With friends like Oblahmi, who needs enemies?
Besides which, how else would Impeachment Boy pay for his socialist pogrom without capitalists and their hard earned tax dollars?
Even the Chinks have caught on to this lesson, duh.
I Report/ You Whine
March 26th, 2009
6:19 am
Say what you will about Cobb-
Cobb County will maintain the highest possible municipal credit rating in a troubled economy.
The rating is good news for taxpayers: The county will pay a net interest rate on the notes of less than one-half of 1 percent, approximately $382,566 in interest costs.-Urinal
Smaller, more efficient government is achievable, even in this financial climate, good police/fire protection, schools and other government services don’t have to be sacrificial lambs.
It helps not to be a goony socialist, too.
I Report/ You Whine
March 26th, 2009
6:45 am
Now America’s economic and financial future is in the hands of the federal government, under a President and Congress whose hubris trumps Wall Street’s, and is combined with an ignorance no trader could survive with for a single week.-AmSpec
All you need to know.
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
9:16 am
to jaypat:
May I recommend this site:
http://www.reasons.org/
Be sure an check out the credentials (”About Us”) of these scientists.
If you are “sincerely” looking for truth you can find it here.
By the way, the Bible (which I believe to be God’s Word to us and therefore accurate) says NOTHING about the age of the earth (we know its billions of years old, etc.), the great flood was probably only local and so forth.
Monotheism (specifically God in the flesh come to this earth) is either true or not. If not, I am wrong and we both don’t have a problem. But, if I am right …………….
Copyleft
March 26th, 2009
9:25 am
Of course, polytheism may be true, in which case Christians, Muslims, AND atheists are all wrong!
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
10:05 am
Copy left:
You are absolutely correct. All cannot be true.
Therefore:
If all or some are true (except Christianty) – no big deal. We either all go to nirvana or oblivian or whatever. We all win.
But if Christianity is true – a big deal. “Unless you believe in Me you are dead in your sins”……”I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
So, if you are a gambler, who is taking the bigger chance ???
Barry
March 26th, 2009
10:25 am
Geez Louise Andy, “Chinks”??? I think even Dusty blanches at that one.
Copyleft
March 26th, 2009
10:43 am
Corporal: You’re restating Pascal’s Wager again, which has some serious logical flaws.
For example: “No big deal” if you chose the wrong faith? What if the Hindu gods are angry with nonbelievers and cast you into the Hell of a Thousand Razors? More to the point, how is it “no big deal” that you wasted your life on a lie?
I consider a wasted life to be a VERY big deal, thank you.
Corporal
March 26th, 2009
2:26 pm
Copyleft:
I hear you but according to all the other religions, they don’t really care and/or you are not cast out forever. You get a second chance.
Christianity is different. You get ONE chance and after you die it’s too late. Eternity is just a little too much to risk.
If you really seek the truth, I believe God will reveal it to you. Don’t tell me about it (unless you want to) ….. just seek it. Ask for a miracle, a vision, something to prove it to you, anything !