Marine-linked high school a good option for some
DeKalb County school officials are forging ahead with plans to open a first-of-its-kind military-style public high school, despite a growing campaign by activists upset at the involvement of the U.S. Marines.
“It’s the worst thing that’s ever happened in Georgia education,” said Michael Burke, a DeKalb resident and spokesman for the Georgia Veterans Alliance, a group that aligns itself with the work of the Georgia Peace and Justice Coalition, among others.
“The whole thing is just a ploy” to help the Marines recruit, Burke said. “We expect to fight it tooth and nail.”
That response irritated DeKalb school system officials. They said it stereotypes the proposed Marine school and students who may be interested in it. The protests — mounted largely through e-mails and letters — have not deterred them, they said.
“This is not a training ground to send kids into the military,” said DeKalb schools Superintendent Crawford Lewis, whose system, with 99,700 students, is the state’s third-largest. “My job is not to look after a portion of children but all the children. One size does not fit all. For the mom who believes her child is capable of going to college but lacks discipline, this is a choice.”
The DeKalb Marine Corps Institute will be the first of its kind in Georgia, and joins an expanding network of such schools nationwide. The first public military academy opened in Richmond, Va., in 1980, and more than a dozen now exist in places from New York to Wisconsin.
One proponent has been Arne Duncan, recently nominated as the nation’s education secretary after leading the Chicago public school system since 2001. Chicago opened the nation’s first public high school run by the Army’s Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps and now features six full-site military academies, among other military-style programs.
To use a military analogy, opponents of this school are fighting the wrong battle against the wrong enemy. Their real argument, I suspect, is not with the military as a profession or as an institution; it is with decisions by elected civilian leadership on how that institution has been used or, too often, misused.
But military service, if that’s what kids choose, is a honorable and often wise career choice. For a lot of young people, a few years in the military acts as a useful bridge from adolescence to adulthood, particularly for those not ready academically, economically or emotionally for college. Even many high school kids respond well to the challenge and discipline of a military setting but might falter under some less structured system.
Attendance at the school is voluntary. It creates no commitment to later enlistment. I hope DeKalb officials stick to their guns … so to speak.
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The Professor
March 24th, 2009
12:13 pm
OORAH!!!!
Copyleft
March 24th, 2009
12:14 pm
How is the Marine Corps suddenly in the business of running high-school education? Are they also going to be deployed to run the water-treatment plants and work on road crews? Will we have Marine dentists and bag boys too?
I thought the USMC had some sort of specific mission statement… something about “defending the country” or somesuch. What became of that?
The Corporal
March 24th, 2009
12:14 pm
Jay:
I’m picking myself up off the floor ! A big Ooo Rah to Jay!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iVAvb5_oXY
The Corporal
March 24th, 2009
12:15 pm
Copyleft:
Marine “dentists” are Navy officers. We don’t repair teeth – we knock them out.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 24th, 2009
12:24 pm
Our armed forces? Poking their nose in the public school systems? Let me think…
hey, who’s the Commander in Chief?
So long as the CiC’s not a total dork I guess it’s ok.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 24th, 2009
12:26 pm
I’d been catching up in the old threads. Kind of astonished that our Corporal is on record as wanting to limit executive compensation.
catlady
March 24th, 2009
12:28 pm
Unfortunately they are limiting the admission to those already showing mastery in algebra, a more select group. Don’t say they are not targeting for recruitment!
caz1158
March 24th, 2009
12:29 pm
Jay-If it’s ok to brain wash our kids to liberal idea’s & agenda’s in our public school’s now.Why is it wrong to have a pubic military school? Seems like a good idea to have alternative views and values taught as well. I don’t see a problem with it.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
12:29 pm
Dekalb County kids as well as Clayton County kids need some sort of discipline. Not only do these kids not have discipline, they also have low grades and test scores. If their parents or should I say, baby momas, can’t learn them something then this school can.
The Corporal
March 24th, 2009
12:30 pm
DB, Gwinnettian:
This is not a “poking their nose”. This is a Marine High School !
They will memorize stuff like this !
“This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I WILL…
My rifle and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. WE WILL HIT…
My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage as I will ever guard my legs, my arms, my eyes and my heart against damage. I will keep my rifle clean and ready. We will become part of each other. WE WILL…
Before God, I swear this creed. My rifle and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. WE ARE THE SAVIORS OF MY LIFE….
So be it, until victory is America’s and there is no enemy, but peace! -Marine rifle creed …”
Ooo Rah!
The Corporal
March 24th, 2009
12:31 pm
DB, Gwinnettian:
Executive Compensation?
A little “tongue in cheek” and a little “hyperbole” ………..
)
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
12:32 pm
MORE PROOF THAT SARAH PALIN IS SMARTER THAN BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.
Does Barack Obama know who the President of France is?
It’s long been the case that the easiest way for an American and a Brit – whatever their respective political persusasions – to bond is to chuckle over something rude about the French.
Jokes about garlic, frogs’ legs, surrender, duplicity, take your pick – it’s safe ground. If Barack Obama had gone on Leno and made a barbed quip about our Gallic friends instead of the Special Olympics he’d have been home free.
So perhaps the new president is being devilishly clever by, as Le Figaro reports, writing to Jacques Chirac, former French president, that: “I am certain that we will be able to work together, in the coming four years, in a spirit of peace and friendship to build a safer world.”
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/03/24/does_barack_obama_know_who_the_president_of_france_is
Joe
March 24th, 2009
12:33 pm
They are not. I was in MCJROTC in high school, and the overwhelming majority of my batallion did not enter into military careers after high school. Those who did, however, did so by choosing schools such as the United States Naval Academy or Virginia Military Institute or by winning ROTC scholarships at other universities.
MCJROTC teaches leadership and discipline. It is not a recruiting tool.
Those who know me know that I am as liberal as the day is long, and I support this decision. Personally, I think that more schools like this should be started in metropolitan areas.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
12:34 pm
And….more proof that democrats are hypocritical morons.
Dodd’s Wife a Former Director of Bermuda-Based IPC Holdings, an AIG Controlled Company.
No wonder Senator Christopher Dodd (D-Conn) went wobbly last week when asked about his February amendment ratifying hundreds of millions of dollars in bonuses to executives at insurance giant AIG. Dodd has been one of the company’s favorite recipients of campaign contributions. But it turns out that Senator Dodd’s wife has also benefited from past connections to AIG as well.
From 2001-2004, Jackie Clegg Dodd served as an “outside” director of IPC Holdings, Ltd., a Bermuda-based company controlled by AIG. IPC, which provides property casualty catastrophe insurance coverage, was formed in 1993 and currently has a market cap of $1.4 billion and trades on the NASDAQ under the ticker symbol IPCR. In 2001, in addition to a public offering of 15 million shares of stock that raised $380 million, IPC raised more than $109 million through a simultaneous private placement sale of 5.6 million shares of stock to AIG – giving AIG a 20% stake in IPC. (AIG sold its 13.397 million shares in IPC in August, 2006.)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/03/dodds_wife_a_former_director_o.html
DB, Gwinnettian
March 24th, 2009
12:35 pm
Corporal asks me: “Executive Compensation?”
Well, you said “We just need to get the salaries down.” I have no idea why you feel that that needs to happen, is all.
Taxpayer
March 24th, 2009
12:35 pm
Are they getting ready to handle the triage after all the followers of all things Bachman take up arms and start their revolution.
Copyleft
March 24th, 2009
12:36 pm
That one’s already been discredited, Commie; nice try. Obama was writing IN REPLY to Chirac’s earlier letter, and at no time did Obama address Chirac as president of France.
Just another cheap, badly-done smear attempt by the desperate right-wing media….
Midori
March 24th, 2009
12:36 pm
come back of the ledge, Commie.
it’s going to be all right.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
12:37 pm
And….another democrat with tax problems.
So does Democrat Pete Stark represent California or Maryland?
Oh-oh, looks like more tax troubles for another Democrat in Washington.
California’s Rep. Pete Stark, a senior House Democrat who helps write the nation’s tax laws, has been claiming a $1.7 million Maryland home as his principal residence in recent years, although he represents the Golden State’s 13th District on the east side of San Francisco Bay.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/03/pete-stark-hous.html
DB, Gwinnettian
March 24th, 2009
12:38 pm
“come back of the ledge, Commie.”
Why? I think he looks swell there.
The Corporal
March 24th, 2009
12:38 pm
I know you libs. out there (with exceptions) just can’t stand the idea of this high school ……… too bad we can’t make ROTC mandatory again in our state universities.
“There is no better friend…
and no worse enemy than a United States Marine.”
————-
“I have just returned from visiting the Marines at the front,
and there is not a finer fighting organization in the world.”
- General Douglas MacArthur, US Army, outskirts of Seoul, 21 September 1950.
—————–
“Come on, you sons of bitches-do you want to live forever?”
- Gunnery Sergeant Daniel Daly, USMC, near Lucy-`le-Bocage
as he led the 5th Marines’ attack into Belleau Wood, 6 June 1918.
————-
“Among the men who fought on Iwo Jima, uncommon valor was a common virtue.”
- Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, US Navy, 16 March 1945.
————-
“Retreat Hell! We’re just attacking in another direction.”
- Attributed to Major General Oliver P. Smith, USMC, Korea, December 1950.
————-
“Don’t you forget that you’re First Marines!
Not all the communists in Hell can overrun you!”
-Col. Lewis B. “Chesty” Puller, USMC rallying his First Marine
Regiment near the Chosin Reservoir, Korea, December 1950.
————-
“The safest place in Korea was right behind a platoon of Marines.
Lord, how they could fight!”
-MGen. Frank E. Lowe, US Army; Korea, 26 January 1952.
————-
“Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they’ve made a difference.
The Marines don’t have that problem.”
- President Ronald Reagan.
————-
“Marines I see as two breeds, Rottweilers or Dobermans,
because Marines come in two varieties, big and mean,
or skinny and mean. They’re aggressive on the attack and
tenacious on defense. They’ve got really short hair and they
always go for the throat.”
-RAdm. “Jay” R. Stark, US Navy; 10 November 1995.
————-
“For over 221 years our Corps has done two things for this great Nation.
We make Marines, and we win battles.”
-Gen. Charles C. Krulak, USMC (CMC); 5 May 1997
Joe
March 24th, 2009
12:38 pm
Commie, here is the rest of the article:
These kind of seem like the kind of words most suitable for a sitting head of state, not a former one. The use of the word “peace” is apparently being interpreted by the French newspaper as a tacit recognition of Chirac’s strong stance against the Iraq invasion.
Some have interpreted the move as a one-fingered gesture to Nicolas Sarkozy, the current president of France. “So, if I understand well, Mister O., who has already despised Gordon Brown, behaving with him as if he did not know he is Prime Minister of Britain, does not even know the name of the French president,” blogs Europumas.
“I wonder if someone had told him, when he came to France last summer, that the man he met was NOT Jacques Chirac!”
What better way to make up with Gordon Brown after the DVDs fiasco than to insult France’s president?
Or perhaps it could have been payback for Sarkozy’s supposed opinion that Obama’s stance on Iran was “utterly immature”.
But wait. The now online-only Christian Science Monitor reports that Obama was simply replying to a letter from Chirac “who was writing him as the head of his foundation – the Jacques Chirac Foundation for sustainable development and cultural dialogue”.
Perhaps the hair-trigger settings of the Obama gaffe detectors are leading to a few shots going wide of the mark.
And here is the article from the Christian Science Monitor that your article mentions but you lack the gonadal fortitude to post:
http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/03/23/obama-writes-letter-to-chirac-blogosphere-goes-crazy/
Nice attempt at distracting from the topic at hand, by the way.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
12:38 pm
Copyleft, keep telling yourself that. Also, keep telling yourself that President Teleprompter didn’t say that he’s been to all 57 states.
Midori, I’m far from any ledge Midori. Thanks
The Corporal
March 24th, 2009
12:40 pm
To DB G.:
Because some of it is off the charts whether 20 million for an executive or a quarterback.
However, it should be done WITHOUT the interference of the government.
caz1158
March 24th, 2009
12:41 pm
Joe- Imagine a school teaching our kids to read & write, but also respect and honor!! Boy,what a disater that would be for far left.
caz1158
March 24th, 2009
12:42 pm
sorry bout spelling,dang public schools!!!
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
12:43 pm
Joe, so why is the CS Moniter blog the only one reporting that President Teleprompter was writing to Chirac earlier?
you wrote: Nice attempt at distracting from the topic at hand, by the way.
This coming from a left winger who doesn’t want to talk about what a horrible job President Teleprompter is doing with the economy.
Jay
March 24th, 2009
12:52 pm
Commie, you are grossly stereotyping. My younger daughter was on her high-school mock-trial team; two years in a row, her team came lost in the state finals to the highly disciplined, highly effective mock-trial team from Jonesboro High, in Clayton County.
Both years, I believe, the Jonesboro team went on to win the national mock-trial championship. And they deserved it.
The Corporal
March 24th, 2009
12:52 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iVAvb5_oXY
DB, Gwinnettian
March 24th, 2009
12:54 pm
Corporal, I’m not sure how you get those salaries down without government intervention. But, then, I’m not looking to limit anyone’s pay.
Just FYI, here’s one of several lists I turned up–this is from Forbes’ 2008 Top 25 list of CEOs.
Looks like #25 still managed about about double A-Rod’s average per-year take in his current contract.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 24th, 2009
12:55 pm
Jay writes: Commie, you are gross
Indeed.
ESR
March 24th, 2009
1:00 pm
I think the kids in most DeKalb County schools could probably teach the military a thing or two about guns and how to shoot one.
caz1158
March 24th, 2009
1:00 pm
Jay-You to just grossly sterotyped. You gave one example!!! I lived in clayton county for over ten years. I took my kids out of the public schools there because of how poor they were at preparing my kids for the real world. I commuted my kids to another county using a false address (until we moved) to get them out of there. There many,many other parents that have done the same!!
The Corporal
March 24th, 2009
1:01 pm
DB G:
I don’t either (public pressure?) ….. but I know I DON’T want the government involved.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
1:03 pm
Jay, you seriously need to hire a proofreader. Your daughter finished LOST? As in last, or maybe she was lost with the questions that the moderator asked?
Also, you wrote: Commie, you are grossly stereotyping.
Well oh well, Bookman. This coming from someone who consistently stereotypes republicans as “right-wing extremists.” Yeah, you have room to talk Bookman.
DB, Gwinnettian, yeah, you are in need of an eye doctor. Quick.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
1:04 pm
ESR, the difference between Dekalb County thugs and the military is the military can actually hit their intended target.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
1:07 pm
caz1158, you gotta understand Bookmans psyche. You see, to Bookman a Christian is an abortion clinic bomber, a white southern man is a member of the KKK or had relatives who were and on and on.
Midori
March 24th, 2009
1:07 pm
speaking of “teleprompters”:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/24/teleprompter-vs-no-telepr_n_178474.html
ESR
March 24th, 2009
1:14 pm
Okay, I can’t let this one go by me. Clayton County school kids should excel in mock trials, how many have they sat in, in their short lives?
caz1158
March 24th, 2009
1:15 pm
Midori-one question- With so much about Obama fake,how do we know if he even knows of which he speaks? He’s going to make a great “Made for Tv President” don’t cha think??
G
March 24th, 2009
1:17 pm
I believe there are many young people who would benefit from this type of school.
caz1158
March 24th, 2009
1:17 pm
ESR-Thats about the only time attendance is high!!
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
1:18 pm
Jay Bookman, what were the topics of debate?
Here are my guesses:
Topic 1: Discuss why Kelly Clarkson has better teeth than Beonce Knowles.
Topic 2: Clothing of Paris Hilton.
Topic 3: The Hills vs. Beverly Hills 90210.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 24th, 2009
1:20 pm
“With so much about Obama fake”
You’re calling him fake? The lady who’s on record as having defrauded a school district?
Mrs. Godzilla
March 24th, 2009
1:21 pm
I love the idea!
In fact, I would like to see more specialization in high schools.
We have “schools of the arts” (my kids thrived in theirs) and technical schools…..
I believe the correct thing to say is ….Ooo Rah.
Midori
March 24th, 2009
1:24 pm
Caz,
fake as in the fake ranch that Bush unloaded after he was finished using up you like minded “patriots”?
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
1:24 pm
Bookman, I was pondering your misfire of an attempt to convince me to thinking that Clayton County has or had smart students. One, you choose to throw at me, a mock-trial team, which is what, 5-10 people? So, how do those 5-10 kids represent the entire school system of Clayton County?
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
1:25 pm
Mrs. Godzilla,
you are 100% correct on that. We do need more specialized schools.
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
1:32 pm
Copyleft, Midori, and Corporal,
Thanks. And thanks for the hug Midori. He’s been a good ol’ cat. I might have to actually sweep under the table now after a meal – he was always good at getting the crumbs. He always loved it when we made chicken, I’d always give him the skin.
Anywho –
I think this is a good idea. I agree with Mrs. G. that it doesn’t hurt to specialize schools – we see this in the charter school movement all the time, and I think it works well.
While me and my kids are public school born and raised, and my kids have done very well – and I’m married to a public school teacher, I don’t see a problem at all with charter schools or specialized schools as long as the instructors are properly trained to handle kids and know their subject matter, and are held to the same standards as regular teachers.
G
March 24th, 2009
1:33 pm
What’s up with Dick Cheney?
We’ve seen more of the Grim Reaper in the last month than in the 8 years he was in office.
The GOP is begging him to go back into hiding. They just don’t seem to want his input.
Susan Bergstrom
March 24th, 2009
1:44 pm
Reading the comments is the funniest thing I have read in quite some time. Seriously tho, this idea for a public military school is brilliant!
Mrs. Godzilla
March 24th, 2009
1:44 pm
Bosch
Are you in kitty mourning? I’m so sorry.
When I lost my Uzi, a 25 pound black domestic shorthair, I was miserable.
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 24th, 2009
1:45 pm
As I understand it, no one will be forced to go to this school (unless by their parents and I’m cool with that). It will probably benefit the majority of those who go there. So if you want to go there fine; if you don’t fine. Maybe this Michael Burke is just hunting an issue to get his name out there.
I agree we need more specialization in schools. Most schools are geared towards college prep. That isn’t necessarily a bad thing but how many people go to college and get a degree but never actually use that degree? I know many people whose vocation has nothing to do with their field of study. I also know people all across the economic spectrum. Some went to college and some didn’t.
fearless fosdick
March 24th, 2009
1:56 pm
Corporal; You remind me of the old soldiers who sit around at the Legion or the VFW who just can’t let the old times go! Always blathering on about I remember when, I remember this, I remember that….What I remember most is I just want to forget that time in my life…
By the way as an old rotary wing pilot I might have missed something that was going on with you grunts, but I never heard anybody say Oh rah!
Did I miss something?
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
1:58 pm
Mrs. G.,
Thanks for your well wishes, I’m not in mourning yet, but I will be soon. It’s funny how your kids react to things like this – my oldest son whose in college, I called him last night to tell him things didn’t look so good, and we talked for a minute, and then he said really quickly, “I’ve gotta go” I think he was getting choked up – we’ve had that cat since he was a little guy.
Redneck Convert
March 24th, 2009
1:58 pm
Well, all I got to say is if we had more Marine Corps high schools we wouldn’t have so many kids walking around with their pants down around their legs. And none of them would be fat as a hog. And Dick Cheney, God bless him, if he had of went to one would of been a better shot than hit a hunting partner in the face with a shotgun blast.
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
1:59 pm
Look! @ 1:44 – we made somebody laugh!
Midori
March 24th, 2009
2:01 pm
Redneck Convert,
i have to definitely agree with your 1:58.
I can’t stand seeing that disgusting “trend” of the sagging pants.
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
2:01 pm
Oh lord, why, oh, why did I drink a sip of Coke right before reading Redneck’s 1:58 post?
Joe
March 24th, 2009
2:02 pm
Commie,
I’ve not avoided any issues at any point in time. Ever.
I have, on the other hand, been rather busy at work. That’s both a good and a bad thing.
caz1158, you wrote: “Joe- Imagine a school teaching our kids to read & write, but also respect and honor!! Boy,what a disater that would be for far left.”
You obviously don’t know me and didn’t read the part of my post where I clearly stated that I’m “as Liberal as the day is long.” So your concept is clearly not a disaster to me.
Liberals support strong public education, and this will improve public education, which therefore means that we liberals should support it, in my opinion.
I’m not sure where you get the idea that liberals don’t believe in respect and honor, by the way. Must be another one of those silly myths that people like to spread but don’t take the time to realize that they neither hold truth nor stand up to a simple logic test.
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
2:04 pm
Midori,
I really don’t see how some can actually walk – really, what’s the point? Why not just skip the pants and wear your underwear?
My middle son tried that once, and I told him that the fashion trend was started from prisoners who were the “women” in the jail, if ya’ know what I mean. Didn’t have a problem with him after that.
Joe
March 24th, 2009
2:04 pm
But Midori, as a Liberal, you clearly don’t have any respect or honor, so why would sagging pants bother you?
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
2:07 pm
Joe,
“Must be another one of those silly myths that people like to spread but don’t take the time to realize that they neither hold truth nor stand up to a simple logic test”
Ya think?
Oh lord, I hope you were busy working yesterday and didn’t read anything that Paul, Taxpayer, and I wrote about Battlestar. We didn’t put warnings up.
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
2:09 pm
Andy,
And I apologize to you too. I hope you are still enjoying the show.
D.A.
March 24th, 2009
2:09 pm
Always good to scare kids out of an undesirable action by telling them people will think you are gay, or say you are dressing like a gay person.
Awesome.
Jay
March 24th, 2009
2:13 pm
Commie, it’s more like 20 or 25 kids. Back to back national champions.
I don’t pretend to claim that they are representative of all Clayton students any more than I would claim that winning a national high school football championship means all Clayton students are great at football.
You suggested that Clayton and DeKalb students need discipline. Writing from Chicago, you apparently know enough about kids in those districts to make that kind of generalization, even to the point of dragging Clayton into the discussion when the story in question was about DeKalb.
I merely pointed out that your generalization is incorrect. I made no generalization in return.
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
2:13 pm
I’ll just bet that one didn’t go through the censor test.
D.A.,
No, it’s more like telling your kid they are dressing like a prison beyatch ho. Homosexuality has nothing to do with it.
Midori
March 24th, 2009
2:14 pm
Joe,
I heard that theory explained on the Michael Baisden radio show.
Signed,
a liberal who doesn’t have any respect or honor
but seriously folks — I can’t STAND THAT STUPID TREND!!!
It’s disrespectful, nasty looking, and as Bosch says — why not just wear underwear in lieu of pants since they are so determined to show it to us?
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
2:23 pm
Jay, the difference in Clayton County schools and everyone else is everyone else is not losing their accreditation.
D.A.
March 24th, 2009
2:24 pm
so you were using the prison part?
Yet you were apparently hiding your own comments as you were not afraid to say prison but when it came to explaining what you meant by “women” in prison, then you scuttled around with a ya know what I mean.
Also if you are not trying to scare your son of homosexuals then is it women? Since obviously there is something you know I do not because I do not know what you mean.
Train your kid to do whatever you want.
I just thought it was going to be interesting to discuss using homosexuality as a means to attain desirable behavior from ones children. Since you made the statement then I thought I had found a parent who does use homosexuality against their child.
Sorry to upset you.
The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar
March 24th, 2009
2:25 pm
They will learn the Marine Rifle Creed, some off-color cadence calls, and how to blindly follow even the most corrupt and dangerous sociopaths into battle. Sir, yes sir!
All the while glorifying and justifying killing.
At least it’s better than a Christian program.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 24th, 2009
2:26 pm
“the old soldiers who sit around at the Legion or the VFW who just can’t let the old times go!”
Well, he could be worse. He could be a UGA alum. talk about obnoxious; talk about not letting the old times go…
(ducking and running)
D.A.
March 24th, 2009
2:27 pm
Midori,
It has no more impact on your life than anything else so why let it bother you.
You sound like the republicans you make fun of so much. People can do wear what they want without having to receive fashion advice from you.
@@
March 24th, 2009
2:29 pm
I dare say the Georgia Peace and Justice Coalition fears competition. After all, education is their little gated community.
Also jay, did your liberal contributors read the same WaPo piece I did? I saw a lot of praise for the mission in Iraq. I also saw criticism of an anti-war congress.
What —–>is<—– the real central front in the war on terror?
It depends on what the definition of “is” is.
When ‘ya milk a cow, the cream rises to the top where it can be skimmed off.
I find it odd that Kilcullen’s focus was on the Saudis, the Jordanians and the Syrians:
But one other factor here is external interference. What are the Iranians doing, what are the Saudis doing, what are the Jordanians and the Syrians doing? The Iraq part is not the problem, it’s the regional security part that is the problem
No mention of Turkey? Iran? Russia?
So tell us……if the central front “is” in Pakistan, why is Obama sending troops into Afghanistan?
Could ‘ya run down the hall and tell Jim Wooten his site is in lock down? He’s got a good article over there but no one can comment.
T
March 24th, 2009
2:30 pm
I love the idea.
fearless fosdick
March 24th, 2009
2:30 pm
DB, Gwinnettian .. Well then we’ll call it the double whammy because the corporal also claims to be an UGA grad!
Dusty
March 24th, 2009
2:32 pm
Marine-linked high school? I don’t understand how this works. Marines are a part of our military system. What is their link to our educational system? Will Marines teach? Will they handle discipline? More physical education? Uniforms?
I have always had great admiration for the Marine Corp. Seems they are the first to be sent to tough situations because they are the “toughest”. The American military is the finest in the world no matter what “part” is named.
There are expensive private schools designed with military leadership. The inpression I have had was that these are schools set up for children with various problems, mostly in the line of behavior or lack of parental guidance.
But a local high school with Marine-links? I really don’t understand the organization plan here.
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
2:32 pm
D.A.,
Oh, don’t worry, I’m not upset – especially over a non-issue like you are trying to make this out to be.
Is there a topic you would like to discuss in a logical thought out fashion or would you like to continue randomly putting ill-conceived concepts together in a feeble attempt at a slap at my parenting techniques?
Or would you just simply rather ask me a question? I’d be happy to answer any concerns you may have.
Davo
March 24th, 2009
2:34 pm
What a ringing endorsement of our education system. Now our kids can get ‘fast-tracked’ into military service. This is a bad idea, and what’s really funny is that Bookman wants you to think this is ‘ok with us liberals’. Just because one aspect of our govt doesn’t work in doing what its charged with doing, we’ll send in the troops to do the job. Simplistic and stupid approach. I wonder what the opinion would be if this type of idea was floated by say, George W?
Anything to remove personal responsibility seems to play well in this pancake house.
Joe
March 24th, 2009
2:40 pm
Dusty,
JROTC programs have existed for decades, both at public and private high schools across the country. The only difference here is that all of the students would be in JROTC, which is not a bad thing.
The impression that I get from the article is that it would be just like any other magnet school with the addtition of mandatory JROTC. JROTC would be one extra class. Not a big deal, really. The students would learn a little more American and world history and they’ll be taught leadership principles. Wearing the uniform will instill pride in themselves, their school, and their country. They’ll develop respect and discipline.
Overall, not a bad experience.
Joe
March 24th, 2009
2:43 pm
Davo,
Please provide evidence to support your (extremely faulty) argument.
Thanks in advance.
D.A.
March 24th, 2009
2:44 pm
No Bosch,
There is nothing I would like to discuss.
See this is a blog.
You made a comment about how you control your teen by comparing him to a prison homosexual.
I told you I thought that was awesome then you got sharp with the prison byotch comment.
I made my rebuttal.
Don’t be upset though that everyone now knows that in private you are a homophobe.
And you are correct sir, it is not an issue. Was only making a comment.
I forgot that some of us are just not good enough to make comments in your world Bosch.
by the way I was on an issue- there had been at least 4 comments about sagging before I ever chose to engage. There were even 3 comments before you decided to bring sexuality into the discussion.
Also note I never said anything derogatory about you, however you chose to call my attempts feeble with ill-concieved concepts.
Is that feeble in your opinion, or who decides if the concept is or is not ill-concieved? Is that your job again?
So not only a possible closet homophobe, but an elitist too.
Again sorry to have upset you.
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
2:46 pm
Davo,
And I wonder how you would have reacted say if Jim Wooten had wrote about it instead of Jay. Seriously, you need some therapy with your “I hate everything Jay Bookman posts, writes, or thinks.”
Davo
March 24th, 2009
2:47 pm
Sorry Joe. I’m not here to hold your hand; I just grade the pancakes.
Red
March 24th, 2009
2:49 pm
I wonder if little gay boys and girls will be welcome to attend this public school?
DB, Gwinnettian
March 24th, 2009
2:52 pm
“I wonder if little gay boys and girls will be welcome to attend this public school?”
How absurd. By the time they’re entering high school, they’re really not little any more.
Davo
March 24th, 2009
2:52 pm
JW? Well, lets just say that if he bothered to even pay attention to his ‘blog’ he would find that his pancakes suck as well. Got to hand it to him in one respect though; at least his opinions are his, and not clipped from somewhere on this ‘great, big internet.’
NOMAD
March 24th, 2009
2:52 pm
DB – That UGA remark was cold. Me thinks you are going to catch it for that one.
Bosch – very sorry to hear about your cat.
NOMAD
Dave R
March 24th, 2009
2:55 pm
Corp, your 12:15 about Marine “dentists” still has me laughing!
Joe
March 24th, 2009
2:55 pm
Davo,
So, your response is essentially, “Oh, snap! Someone actually called me out for being both unoriginal and full of fecal matter! Maybe if I resort to a personal attack, I’ll feel better about myself AND I’ll have the added benefit of not having to support my ludicrous claims…”
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
2:55 pm
Red,
a gay high school was going to open up here in Chicago. Yeah, when word got out that taxpayers were going to fund it it never happened. If gays want to open up a private school then go ahead but taxpayers will not go for it.
Dave R
March 24th, 2009
2:56 pm
And DB, your remark about UGA grads would have been funnier if it weren’t so true!
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
2:57 pm
Can someone answer a question for me?
Ok, what would be the point of a gay high school? I mean, a military style school provides discipline and hard work. But what of a gay high school. I just don’t understand the point of it.
ESR
March 24th, 2009
2:57 pm
As a DeKalb County tax payer this type school could potentially save me money on my property taxes if they’re allowed to bring their own gun from home. Stop picking on the students in Clayton County, where else can a kid with a 1.8 GPA be Class Valedictorian?
Red
March 24th, 2009
2:57 pm
Yes drowning vicitim, the water is wet and kind of cold.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:00 pm
DB, Gwinnettian,
not all UGA fans or grads are obnoxious. Just the ones who graduate with C’s and D’s. That’s because they focused on football rather than school. UGA has some wonderful programs.
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
3:00 pm
D.A.
Again, I am not upset at all, but it certainly appears you are.
When I have nothing to discuss, I usually don’t write a long diatribe describing how I have nothing to discuss.
Joe
March 24th, 2009
3:00 pm
Commie,
The point of a gay high school (BTW, I don’t support a publicly funded sort of thing) would be a place where gay kids can feel comfortable. The thing is this: If parents and administrators (well, society in general, but at least those two groups) were to change their attitude towards gay people, there would not be anyone asking for a gay high school because the gay kids would not be singled out and beaten (for example) because they are gay. But until parents raise tolerant kids and until teachers and admins do their jobs and curtail that and other forms of bullying, this will be a problem.
D.A.
March 24th, 2009
3:00 pm
DB,
Some 9th graders are little, especially the ones with late birthdays.
So does anyone know if the school will uphold the don’t ask don’t tell policy
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:01 pm
ESR, you wrote: where else can a kid with a 1.8 GPA be Class Valedictorian?
LOLOLOLOL
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:03 pm
Joe,
we all have problems. Hiding in some sort of school from these problems only furthers the inevitable. Besides, how many gays and lesbians are out there in grade school?
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
3:05 pm
Communist AJC,
The purpose of the gay high school as I understood it was students would have a better learning environment due to the stress placed upon them because of their peers.
So, I’m taking from what you wrote that it didn’t go through.
D.A.
March 24th, 2009
3:05 pm
Bosch,
There was but four broken lines about me not having an issue to discuss with you. Then I made comments, not questions not responses not homophobic bad jokes. The rest was mere explaination and declaration of you as a closet homophobic hate machine..OK alil much I know, but I certainly assume you are a homophobe, if that is how you attain desired reactions from your son.
Again I truely am sorry to have upset you.
Davo
March 24th, 2009
3:06 pm
Here’s an idea, instead of the military stepping in to educate the next generation, lets use the penal system instead. Think of the savings! Add to that the benefit to those kids prone to homosexuality…it could be their ‘fast-track’ in life.
Joe
March 24th, 2009
3:07 pm
Commie,
I agree with you, which is why I oppose such schools. Additionally, we know for a fact that separate automatically means inequal.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:07 pm
Joe, you speak of “tolerance” yet I read anti-Christian remarks all of the time on these blogs. What are we “intolerant” folks supposed to tolerate? I’m not about to tell someone how to live their life but when gays and lesbians go out of their way to try to force their lifestyles on other people I get irritated. It’s no coincidence that every single religion is against homosexuality. I mean, really, what is there to celebrate? Butt sex?
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:09 pm
Bosch,
everyone has problems growing up in high schools. Nerds get beat up by jocks etc… Nothing new under the sun. I need specifics. What is a gay high school going to accomplish besides codling a gay kid?
Midori
March 24th, 2009
3:09 pm
Bosch:
thank you for this. it says it all:
D.A.,
Oh, don’t worry, I’m not upset – especially over a non-issue like you are trying to make this out to be.
D.A.
March 24th, 2009
3:10 pm
Davo,
little disturbing with the fast track comment.
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
3:13 pm
D.A.
Again, for the third time, I’m not upset – and I thought you had nothing to discuss.
Would you like to just ask me a question instead of making inaccurate and false assumptions and projections? It could really save you some time.
Joe
March 24th, 2009
3:14 pm
1) Not every single religion is against homosexuality. In fact, not every Christian denomination is against homosexuality, but that’s not the discussion here.
2) One’s sexual orientation is not a “lifestyle” anymore than being Black is a “lifestyle”.
3) The thing with them to celebrate is love between each other. In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with censenting, non-exploitative relationships. I could be wrong, of course.
Yes, some idiots make anti-Christian comments here, just as other idiots make anti-Muslim comments and flat out racist comments here. But the point I was making earlier was that gay kids wouldn’t feel the need to suggest a gay school if they were not harrassed for who they are in school. Whether you like it or not, the fault lies with the harrasser, not the victim.
ESR
March 24th, 2009
3:15 pm
I thought we had gay schools already? Did they close UGA? ROLL TIDE !!!!
D.A.
March 24th, 2009
3:15 pm
Midori,
Cute you decided to join in, but is anyone shocked she had to do it in a tag team capacity? I won’t bite you don’t need a partner to talk with or in your case about me.
it was enough of an issue for you to post atleast 3 times about.
Gotta do something to make the world a better place will continue with you all later say around 8 or 9
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
3:17 pm
Commie,
I dont’ have any specifics, that’s all I know about it. I didn’t think it was too good of an idea anyway – I’m in the same camp as what Joe said earlier – we need to educate our kids to be more tolerant of gay and lesbian kids.
D.A.
March 24th, 2009
3:18 pm
Bosch,
I have told you there is no question. These are responses, if you are going to say something to or about me I usually give my reasons.
If you don’t want to hear them then your a big boy ignore it.
Again I am sorry to have upset you.
Seriously I gotta go.
Taxpayer
March 24th, 2009
3:18 pm
Bosch,
It’s OK to tell what happened at the end of the BSG show because some of these right wing nuts would have had to ask afterward anyway. We’re just being good little conservatives by using preemption.
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
3:24 pm
NOMAD,
Thanks.
Red
March 24th, 2009
3:24 pm
I’m ashamed ESR, but I laughed out loud. Good one, but now I have liberal guilt. I guess I need to give the homeless lady in Decatur a $10 bill on the way home now.
Midori
March 24th, 2009
3:24 pm
Bosch,
I think what he’s really trying to say is, “I really don’t have anything to say or add to this conversation. As a matter of fact, I know I’m a douche, and I’m sorry to upset you because I’m going to keep right on asking the same non questions and making the same silly statements until I can provoke a negative reaction from either you or Midori.”
Davo
March 24th, 2009
3:25 pm
R.I.P. Battlesoap Galactopera
Jumped the shark, then, circled around to jump it again! Holy Frak!
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:26 pm
Bosch,
parents can teach their kids whatever they want to. It’s no one’s business but their own. Christians get the blame for why there is so much dislike of the gay lifestyle yet Christians are not the one’s beating up gays. In California, for example, blacks voted against gay marriage by a massive margin yet Hollywood goes after Mormons. I have been going to church for years and never have I heard any Christian say that gays and lesbians should be killed or beaten. Gays and Lesbians need to be loved but their lifestyle is sinful. Not to say that there many other sinful lifestyles. Anyhoo, don’t mean to preach to you or anything.
caz1158
March 24th, 2009
3:26 pm
Joe- as per 2:02 entry, no I was’nt refering to you specificaly. But if you think the public school system is’nt broken then I can’t help you. The teachers union and the kids run the schools!!! & Parents in general don’t get involved, and we wonder why scores continue to be piss poor!
Joe
March 24th, 2009
3:32 pm
caz1158,
Please point out where I said that the public school system isn’t broken.
Thanks!
Also, the reason that kids in higher income areas tend to perform better is because there tends to be more parental involvement in education. So yes, we agree that parents need to get more involved.
D.A.
March 24th, 2009
3:34 pm
Midori, man what a person in need of love you are.
Funny you should say I am trying to get a negative reaction after you call me a douche.
Can you do anything on your own, or does Bosch, or someother, have to help you?
No my point was simple. I never had any question that I wanted asked. My original post was a statement about how I thought it was awsome to use homophobic fears to get ones child to do whatever they want.
I did not adress it to anyone or anything. Yet Bosch decided to respond by telling me some things about myself, then basically telling me that I am not worthy to voice my opinion. Apparently lower beings such as myself are only worthy to ask others questions as we could never be counted on to have answers of our own.
You show your charecter with every keystroke.
By the way thank you for telling me so much about myself I did not know, nor had ever even thought. But I can see how you would be a good source to use in regards to me since we have met and all. Whats that you say, you are just making up things in your head we have never met, really.
This is my first question to be answered.
Why is it and what qualifications or certificates do you have that enables you to KNOW things about those you have never met or interacted with until today, and how did you aquire such knowledge?
Or are you just making wild claims? If so there is medicationthat can be taken to curb some of the craving to do so.
I am also sorry I have now upset you as well.
ESR
March 24th, 2009
3:35 pm
Davo, that one was frakking good ending wasn’t it! Hate to see it go the way of Farscape and others but we have the new Stargate and Caprica to look forward to.
I Report/ You Whine
March 24th, 2009
3:36 pm
Yeah, discipline, respect and honor are awful things to instill in our youth.
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Liberals are mad that conservatives aren’t. The Wall Street Journal editorial page just sort of shrugged at the Geithner plan, saying it was encouraged that the White House had decided on a path forward. Any plan (as long as it was not nationalization) was better than no plan. And the conservative blogosphere still seems more enthusiastic about attacking the AIG tax increases than the complex Geithner plan. What’s more, with liberals attacking it, maybe it’s not such a bad idea.USNews
Any plan that has the libs eating their own works for me.
@@
March 24th, 2009
3:40 pm
An OFF TOPIC question:
Has anyone here heard the rumor that Petraeus is looking at a run for president in 2012?
Joe
March 24th, 2009
3:40 pm
“parents can teach their kids whatever they want to. It’s no one’s business but their own. Christians get the blame for why there is so much dislike of the gay lifestyle yet Christians are not the one’s beating up gays. In California, for example, blacks voted against gay marriage by a massive margin yet Hollywood goes after Mormons.”
1) So it’s no one’s business if parents raise their kids to be, say, suicide bombers? OK…
2) The Blacks who are opposed to gay rights hear about it from the pulpit and they turn to the Bible to defend their homophobia (while failing to look at who is in their choir, for example). Homophobia in the Black community is very much tied to Christianity.
3) The reason that the Mormons were singled out is because they funneled money into anti-gay rights campaigns and have been notoriously bigotted against Blacks (until recently) and gays.
“I have been going to church for years and never have I heard any Christian say that gays and lesbians should be killed or beaten. Gays and Lesbians need to be loved but their lifestyle is sinful. Not to say that there many other sinful lifestyles.”
That’s a cop-out. Again, one’s sexuality is no more a lifestyle choice than one’s skin color. By calling it a choice, you are marginalizing who they are.
By calling it a choice, you’re making a very interesting a priori assumption, as well. In order to make a choice, one must have two or more options; if sexuality is a choice for everyone, then that means that everyone has to be bisexual. So, are you bisexual, Commie? If not, then your argument of “choice” is faulty on that (among other) grounds.
Regarding what you’ve heard in church, I’m fairly certain that most of the Christian Knights of the Ku Klux Klan were never told to lynch Blacks and burn crosses when they went to their Sunday services.
That you teach that one’s nature is evil and sinful gives certain people the green light to do what they want to those “lesser people”.
G
March 24th, 2009
3:41 pm
Every single religion is not against homosexuality. The churches below accept homosexuals.
Anglican, Canadian and American Reformed, Christian Reformed, Church of the Nazarene, Episcopal, Lutheran, United Methodist, Metropolitan Community, Moravian, New Apostolic, Presbyterian, United Reformed, Religious Society of Friends (Quaker), Roman Catholic, Old Catholic, Reformed Catholic, Swedenborgian, Unification, Unitarian Universalist, United Church of Canada, United Church of Christ, Uniting Church in Australia, Unity School of Christianity, and Waldensian.
Dusty
March 24th, 2009
3:41 pm
Thanks, Joe, for your information about a Marine-linked school. I am familiar with ROTC. My husband was in NROTC at his university and liked the good training.
But I know little or nothing about ROTC in high schools. I wonder why this was not called a MROTC High School. And a magnet school requires better abilities. doesn’t it?
My children are out of high school, with only one still in a unversity system. That one gets a PhD in May. Excuse my “bragging” but I am very pleased over that accomplishment!
caz1158
March 24th, 2009
3:42 pm
Joe-In regards to kids in higher income area’s doing better,I agree thats partially true. Parents,taechers,mentors,and peer pressure are all strong ingridents. Parental involvement is not solely nor should ever be, because of economic situation. There are to many excuses,some valid,some not.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:46 pm
G, provide the proof, G. I attend a reformed church and they do not accept gay marriage. United Methodist does not either. The Episcopalian Church is losing members in mass numbers as is the Catholic Church over this issue. It’s not Biblical and people are accepting worldly views rather than God’s view. Good luck with that folks.
G
March 24th, 2009
3:49 pm
I don’t have to prove a d@mn thing to you, Communist. Google it like I did.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:49 pm
G,
one more thing, you are grouping entire denominations as accepting of gays yet you fail to understand that it’s usually one or two churches that accept it. Let’s use the United Methodist Church. You claim that the entire church accepts gay marriage YET the entire church does not. My parents attend a Methodist church and the pastor speaks out against it.
Explain this, if churches are accepting of gays then why is gay marriage struck down in every state where the voters get to vote?
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
3:49 pm
Commie @ 3:26,
I don’t mind the preaching. But I don’t know your point – all I said was that I think we should teach our kids to be more tolerant, and that I agree with Joe – I believe it was you who brought up Christianity in to the mix.
And we’ll just need to agree to disagree on the “being gay is a sin” thing. I don’t buy that for a minute.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:50 pm
G, you’re like Midori. Always posting said facts yet you can’t back it up with concrete evidence. Good thing you are not a lawyer, G, or you’d be disbarred in a heartbeat.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:52 pm
Bosch, you wrote: And we’ll just need to agree to disagree on the “being gay is a sin” thing. I don’t buy that for a minute.
You don’t buy that homosexuality is sinful? Ok, you’re opinion. Nothing to back it up but it’s your opinion.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:52 pm
G, you wrote: I don’t have to prove a d@mn thing to you, Communist.
You just did prove something to me, G. You proved what a hack you really are.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:53 pm
Bosch, I brought up Christians because Christians are the first to be called “intolerant” of others.
Midori
March 24th, 2009
3:55 pm
while scraping Commie off my shoe, it appears that there is some of DA on there as well.
you guys share the same DNA too?
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
3:55 pm
Commie@ 3:52,
Nice try, but I’m not going there.
Midori
March 24th, 2009
3:55 pm
oh goody — Commie is about to blow.
excuse me while I get some popcorn.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:56 pm
Bosch, found this:
The biblical passages in Leviticus, Romans, and 1 Corinthians are clear prohibitions against homosexual activity:
In Leviticus 20:1 3, homosexual practice is called an “abomination.”
In Romans 1:26-27, homosexual intercourse is referred to as a “degraded passion.”
In 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, we are told that fornicators and adulterers and drunkards and homosexuals, etc. will not “inherit the kingdom of God.
It is true that the New Testament Gospel accounts have no record that Jesus ever directly addressed homosexuality in His teachings–but to argue that homosexuality is acceptable to God because we have no direct words from Christ, is to say by the same logic that we must approve the activities of child pornographers, cocaine traffickers, and wife beaters–because Jesus never addressed those matters either.
Joe
March 24th, 2009
3:57 pm
Dusty,
It’s MCJROTC or MJROTC, and the general term is JROTC for Junior ROTC. There is no military commitment after you graduate, and the programs are excellent for the youths involved. I’ve known several public schools in my hometown to have JROTC programs, and at least two of the Catholic schoolsl did (mine and one of our rivals).
Here’s the wiki site on JROTC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jrotc Yes, between 30% and 50% of the cadets go on to join the military, but from my experience, many of those kids are the ones who do so via college ROTC or the Academies.
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
3:58 pm
Midori,
I think it’s best just to ignore those who are trying to get a rise out of you.
Commie,
No, in my opinion, it’s not Christians as a group who are intolerant, it’s fundamentalists – from any religion – who are intolerant.
caz1158
March 24th, 2009
4:01 pm
Commie-While I agree with your alot of your political views, I see you have alot of Taxpayer in you when commenting on others intelligence-NOT GOOD!!!!
Joe
March 24th, 2009
4:02 pm
Commie,
Wearing clothes of mixed fabrics is an abomination. Does your church preach against that? Does your church preach against cheeseburgers?
Does your church allow women to speak while they are in church (1 Cor 14:33-35)? If you want to open that up to interpretation, then you had damned well be prepared to open up St. Paul’s exhortations against “homosexuality” to interpretation, as well.
Or do you pick and choose what to take literally?
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
4:04 pm
Bosch, here is some more info that I found.
1. HOMOSEXUALITY IS UNNATURAL
When God created human beings, He made them male and female. The Bible account of creation establishes human beings as persons who possess a specific sexual identity: “So God created man in his own image. . .male and female he created them” (Genesis 1:27). God did not create Man alone, neither did He create man/man or woman/woman. Man was created for another. That other is woman. Their relationship is ordered by God.
Jesus says as recorded in Matthew 19:4-5, “Have ye not read that he who made them at the beginning, made them male and female; and said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife?” Jesus reaffirmed the Creator’s original intention for the man/woman relationship.
In Genesis 3 we find the goodness of God’s creation distorted by sin, and the divinely established pattern for male-female relationships was marred. Estrangement and alienation replaced God’s intention. Rebellion and pride brought strain between the sexes. Some of the results of the Fall include adultery (Genesis 26:10), rape (Genesis 34:2), prostitution (Genesis 38:15-18), and homosexuality (Genesis 19:4-7). These are all deviations from God’s created order.
The Scriptures specifically declare that homosexuality is unnatural behavior. “For this cause God gave them up into vile affections; for even their women changed the natural use for that which is against nature; and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemly” (Romans 1:2627). It is not normal to be attracted to a member of the same sex. It violates the basic sexual structure which God created. It is a perversion. It is against nature.
2. HOMOSEXUALITY IS SINFUL
The Bible classifies homosexual practice as sin. It is a violation of the will of God. A simple reading of Genesis 19 (about the two angels who paid a visit to Sodom and stayed in Lot’s home) indicates that sodomy is a great wickedness (Genesis 19:4-5). In the Book of Jude (verse 7), God points to Sodom’s homosexuality as an example of the kind of immorality that brings the vengeance of eternal fire.
In 1 Kings 15:11-12, God commends good King Asa as follows: “And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord, as did David his father. And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.” It is hardly conceivable that such an abomination as sodomy should find acceptance in our nation’s churches.
The Bible says that to lie with a person of the same sex is an abomination. In Leviticus 18:22, we read, Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is abomination.” And while some Old Testament commands have been canceled in the new dispensation, never has anything that is called “an abomination” in the Old Testament been given God’s approval in the New Testament. The New Testament condemns all homosexual activity without qualification. In 1 Corinthians 6:9 we read, “Be not deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind. ..shall inherit the kingdom of God.” The two Greek words translated “abusers of themselves with mankind” apply to any continuous homosexual activity, whether it is a covenanted permanent relationship or a promiscuously lustful relationship. Homosexuality is an insult against God.
caz1158
March 24th, 2009
4:04 pm
Commie-OK,I guess??
Taxpayer
March 24th, 2009
4:05 pm
I had to go to court some time back to testify regarding items that were stolen from my house and subsequently recovered. The judge offered one of the ‘kids’ a chance to either go to prison or enlist. He chose to enlist. I never did hear how that worked out for him. He could have retired as a Corporal for all I know.
Joe
March 24th, 2009
4:05 pm
Commie,
Both you and Taxpayer have intelligence. It’s just that sometimes both of you don’t direct it properly. I’m just saying that both of you seem to allow your anger to get the better of you in these insignificant (in the grand scheme of things) fora.
Dusty
March 24th, 2009
4:05 pm
Just wanted to mention that to establish gay high schools would be setting up segregation which is out lawed. Children with disabilites are mainlined. I believe sexual “preference” would be no excuse to segregate students in a public school. I think the Justice system would be against any segregation for legal reasons.
“Getting along better with each other” has long been discarded as an excuse to segregate any citizens except criminals.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
4:06 pm
Joe, like I said before, there are a lot of sinful acts. Gluttony is sinful. Lust is sinful. No, I don’t pick and choose anything. I was trying to inform Bosch that teaching that homosexuality is to be “tolerated” is backwards. You should really calm down and understand my intentions.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
4:07 pm
Joe,
I’m not angry.
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
4:09 pm
Commie,
Please do not feel obliged to “teach” me anything. And yes, Joe is absolutely correct – you can not pick and choose what to take literally in the Bible and what not too. That’s called being hypocritical.
T
March 24th, 2009
4:14 pm
How does the Bible feel about incest?
I mean, if God created Adam and Eve, who did their children marry?
Joe
March 24th, 2009
4:14 pm
Commie,
If you believe that homosexuality is a choice, then that is a backwards belief. People don’t choose to become second class citizens.
Again, Biblically speaking, homosexuality is on the same level as wearing a shirt that is a cotton/wool/synthetic blend, eating a cheeseburger, or allowing women to speak in church.
And if it’s a choice, then when did you choose not to be a homosexual?
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
4:15 pm
Bosch, the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong. You can not argue that one, comrade.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 24th, 2009
4:19 pm
“So does anyone know if the school will uphold the don’t ask don’t tell policy”
Seriously, I’d be kind of shocked if DADT were anything more than an unpleasant memory in a few months, so the question’s probably moot.
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
4:21 pm
Commie,
No it doesn’t. Biblical scripture is open for interpretation – and you can not argue that either.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
4:22 pm
Joe, if homosexuality was on the same level as the other issues why is it talked about in Old and New Testament?
When did homos become second class citizens? They can vote, work and do just about every other activity that heteros can do. Except pro-create. Yep, you need a penis and vagina for that.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
4:25 pm
Bosch,
cool so the Bible clearly states “Thou shalt not kill.” Does that mean you can go out and kill anyone you want because it was not specific about who you can and can’t kill?
Bosch, I don’t, for one second, believe that you are a Christian. You can not be a Christian and make up your own beliefs. You can’t be a Christian and disagree with what the Bible teaches. You can not be a Christian and somehow find “loopholes” in scripture.
The Bible CLEARLY states what is right and what is wrong.
lovelyliz
March 24th, 2009
4:25 pm
How soon before we see a Peace Corp school or something geared towards producing community activists?
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
4:30 pm
Bosch,
shall I post scripture that is against homosexuality? Here goes, Bosch.
Leviticus 18:22 – “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.”
Romans 1:26-27 – “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.”
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”
The Corporal
March 24th, 2009
4:32 pm
To fearless fosdick:
That’s part of your problem. It’s not Oh Rah …. it’s Ooo Rah!
Now, work on that … Ooo Rah….. Ooo Rah!
P.S. I’ve never set foot in a Legion or VFW. Too many “pretenders”.
Mrs. Godzilla:
What a great name for your car. UZI’s were great. I shot them for 30 years and then they went to the MP-5’s ………..
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The Corporal
March 24th, 2009
4:32 pm
Bosch:
If you have never seen this it is very good. It’s sad, but it will help regarding your pet…………….
http://www.indigo.org/rainbowbridge_ver2.html
@@
March 24th, 2009
4:35 pm
Arne Duncan was in favor of the gay school when in Chicago. Incorporated into the curriculum was a class on social justice. I’m thinking that would fall into the category of community activism.
Come to think of it, if Duncan is our new Secretary of Education and is in favor of this military school, who’s to say gay schools won’t follow. We’ll all be divvied up into little enclaves of self-interest.
How progressive. Mo money.
I take it nobody’s heard the rumor about Petraeus. Well…..Stratfor is speculating on the rumor and points out why there may be some truth to it. Petraeus’s approach to Afghanistan is clearly not the same as Obama’s.
Time will tell.
Taxpayer
March 24th, 2009
4:35 pm
Intelligence is relative, Joe. As is anger.
JohnF
March 24th, 2009
4:40 pm
Jeez, you add the word “gay” to a blog and you can really see the loonies foaming at the mouth.
The Chicago Gay high school was supposed to have the same goals as the Harvey Milk school in NY, to provide an environment where the students (gay or just perceived as being gay) can concentrate on their academic goals and not on how to avoid being harassed or beaten up.
I fully support the one in NY because I know how much happier the students are by not getting pounded on a regular basis. Yes, commie it is quite common all across US for gay students to be bullied regularly every day. What you don’t know about gay bullying (being on the receiving end anyway) would fill a book.
Critics of these schools say that the gay students shouldn’t have to run from a regular school and that tough no-bullying rules should be enforced. But we all know that’s not going to happen, especially with religous nutters like commie around.
This school should absolutely be funded by private means though.
As far as arguments about the morality of homosexulity..what if you aren’t a Christian and aren’t burdened with having to live your life through that medieval piece of literature called the bible?
Please…no false analogies.
@@
March 24th, 2009
4:42 pm
Well, Bosch refuses to respond to anything I post but, then again, I’m not asking for a response.
Interpretations of scripture are open to young (any age) Christians only. Once the understanding of God’s word is clear to the reader, that’s when a person becomes a matured Christian.
Jesus was separated from His Father during that moment of suffering (crucifixion) at which time he was taking on the sins of mankind. He had to be separated because God cannot be a partner to sin.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
4:46 pm
JohnF, again, Christians aren’t the ones beating gay kids up. You have ZERO proof of that one, comrade. The problem with the gay high school in Chicago was the fact that tax payers were going to front the money. And, no, the Bible is still relevant in this world. Nothing is new under the sun, comrade. Same problems, different technology. Sin is sin no matter what you say.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
4:47 pm
@@,
how is it people who claim to be Christians, Bosch, can’t seem to interpret what the Bible clearly states in several books in the Old and New Testament?
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
4:48 pm
JohnF,
if getting a beating is the only thing gay kids are concerned about why not have them home schooled like other kids? I mean, kids get beat up all of the time for race, hair style, clothing style and the way they talk. That will never change, comrade.
JohnF
March 24th, 2009
4:56 pm
It ain’t relevant to me bud! And apparently it’s becoming a lot less relevant to a lot of people.
“Sin” is a hollow word to non-christians, comrade!
Do I have to go find all of the articles on gay bashing where the assailant made a comment about his religious beliefs (i.e, Christian beliefs) as he was pummeling someone he thought was gay? I’m with G, do your own googling.
JohnF
March 24th, 2009
5:01 pm
Commie,
So have you ever been beat up or harassed for anything?
@@
March 24th, 2009
5:01 pm
CommunistAJC:
I’ve always thought that Bosch’s intention was to take cheap shots at Christians. If he is one, he certainly doesn’t exhibit love for his brothers and sisters in Christ.
As Christians go, I’m maybe in a freshman class. It’s that liberal past in me that’s held me back, I guess.
Your knowledge of scriptures helps. Pulls me in so to speak.
Bosch is an oddball — here for socialization and not much else. Everytime I see him debating, the word, mooshy comes to mind. I’ve been guilty of the same.
Bosch refuses to reach a climactic point. He will forever and always be unfinished business.
Dusty
March 24th, 2009
5:02 pm
Dear @@,
I had not heard any rumors about Petraeus. I thought he was running the whole military operation in the Mid East. Obama said he wasnted to send more troops to Afghanistan. What would Petraeus like?
Should the good general leave the military I certainly hope he joins the Republicans in their efforts. Now there’s a man I could vote for..smart, organized and experienced in running large organizations. He can speak without teleprompters and give reliable information. Doesn’t get any better than that! (And I bet his wife has found she likes almost everything in the USA!)
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
5:09 pm
JohnF, I wear glasses now but years ago some redneck kids used to beat on me in PE for wearing glasses. I took quite a few beatings until my county rerouted my district and I ended up going to a different middle school. My parents taught me to ignore it but I got more and more angry everyday. The best revenge was knowing that the so-called leader of the redneck kids ended up dropping out of high school and getting some girl pregnant. I got suspended once in high school for fighting. I was in band and took my trombone to some idiot kids face for harassing another band member during practice. That kid had about 12 stitches to his right cheek but he never messed with band members again. My whole point is self-defense. Learn it and use it when necessary.
@@, your assessment is correct.
The Corporal
March 24th, 2009
5:18 pm
lovelyliz:
There already are. It’s called “Kindergarten”.
@@
March 24th, 2009
5:40 pm
Dusty:
Petraeus is still the chief of CENTCOM, but he handed off tactical control of all special forces units in Afghanistan to General David McKiernan, commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan.
Coming off of his successful surge strategy in Iraq, Petraeus is in favor of launching a ROBUST (a word foreign to Obama) counterinsurgency campaign in the Afghan-Pakistani border area depriving Al Qaeda of its support network. His will be a long-haul strategy.
Obama, with so much on his plate and little experience in foreign relations, is looking to make concessions. Had it not been for all his big talk during the campaign, Afghanistan would be an afterthought. So what does he do with his limited attention span? He deflates expectations concerning Afghanistan.
I guess we’ll see something in the coming months whether Obama is willing to listen to his military commanders on the ground.
Depending on how things go here in Politics U.S.A., he may want to run as an independent. That’d be O.K. with me.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
5:45 pm
JohnF, as for your rantings at 4:56 pm. Your words, comrade, not mine. If sin is a non-issue to you then please, go out and do as you please. Your actions will ALWAYS have consequences. Um, I did my own googling and I did post fact and truth. It’s people like you and G who make up stuff and pass it up as fact without ever posting any concrete evidence. Sorry comrade, but you lose.
G
March 24th, 2009
7:03 pm
Communist, you are too lazy to look something up for yourself. Why do you think anyone on here cares about your opinions? Where did you get that impression? No one does, I assure you. You are a nothing, nobody, zero, zilch.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
7:26 pm
G, you failed to back up your claims and you call me lazy? If I am a nobody then why are you responding? Go sell stupid somewhere else.
radiowxman
March 24th, 2009
8:03 pm
Apparently, the guy who thinks this idea is the worst thing to happen in Georgia education’s history thinks the Marines are worse than segregation.
Peter - VFP
March 25th, 2009
2:13 pm
Please explain to me how the USMC has excessive funding and resources they do not need to fight the war on terror, supply their personnel in two wars.
Rebecca Wynn Amerson
April 14th, 2009
10:20 pm
The resistance to the Marine Academy is not about another option for school children and their parents in DeKalb, it is about appropriate location. We have many magnet programs in DeKalb and we have supported them. The leaders on our school board want to place this high school in a former elementary school with only 40 parking spaces, no gym, no field, no locker rooms and no science labs. The Heritage School sits on the curve of Heritage Drive off Briarcliff Road about 1/2 mile from Lakeside High. McDaniel Park with only five parking spaces is located next door.
Heritage was retrofitted in the 1980’s for severely physically handicapped students with lots of ramps and wide doors. Only about 60 students are there now. The proposed Marine Academy is forecasted to eventually house 650 students. Where?
If you haven’t investigated the site for the proposed school then you probably don’t understand the resistance to the Marine Academy. We don’t have a lot of money in DeKalb at this moment. What public school does? How much will it take to renovate Heritage? Or any elementary school for high school students?
Can you imagine all those 18 year old Marine cadets trying to use the bathroom facilities in a former elementary school? How much would just renovating the bathrooms cost?
Just up Briarcliff near the intersection of North Druid Hills is Adams Stadium and former Briarcliff High. It is a high school built for large framed people. There are baseball fields and practice fields there. There is a former gym used by the Open Campus School which is moving to Stone Mountain that can easily be renovated back into a gym. Renovating a gym vs. building a brand new gym would seem to cost a little less money. There is also parking for high school students who will probably want to drive to the Marine Academy like most high school students do. DeKalb has already cut bus service in order to save money. It would be much easier for students all over DeKalb to get to the N.Druid Hills/Briarcliff Road facility which is close to I85 than to drive to a small residential elementary school off the beaten path.
The question you and the AJC board should be asking DeKalb County – why not the property on N. Druid Hills since DSA and Open Campus will vacate it this summer? Why not use a high school facility for high school students? Where are they going to get the money for all the renovations of Heritage? Where will the expansion be built in that tiny 7 acre plot at Heritage? Why did we not find out about this proposal until six months prior to the school opening? Have any site or traffic plans been completed on the Heritage property? These and many other questions may be answered in the meeting tonight and then again, may not be. Can you and the AJC board present both sides concerning the proposed Marine Academy on Heritage Drive? We’d like some answers and some sane planning for any and all schools for our students. We are not against a Marine Academy. We are against the imprudent use of our tax dollars for a poor location of a high school.