Marine-linked high school a good option for some
DeKalb County school officials are forging ahead with plans to open a first-of-its-kind military-style public high school, despite a growing campaign by activists upset at the involvement of the U.S. Marines.
“It’s the worst thing that’s ever happened in Georgia education,” said Michael Burke, a DeKalb resident and spokesman for the Georgia Veterans Alliance, a group that aligns itself with the work of the Georgia Peace and Justice Coalition, among others.
“The whole thing is just a ploy” to help the Marines recruit, Burke said. “We expect to fight it tooth and nail.”
That response irritated DeKalb school system officials. They said it stereotypes the proposed Marine school and students who may be interested in it. The protests — mounted largely through e-mails and letters — have not deterred them, they said.
“This is not a training ground to send kids into the military,” said DeKalb schools Superintendent Crawford Lewis, whose system, with 99,700 students, is the state’s third-largest. “My job is not to look after a portion of children but all the children. One size does not fit all. For the mom who believes her child is capable of going to college but lacks discipline, this is a choice.”
The DeKalb Marine Corps Institute will be the first of its kind in Georgia, and joins an expanding network of such schools nationwide. The first public military academy opened in Richmond, Va., in 1980, and more than a dozen now exist in places from New York to Wisconsin.
One proponent has been Arne Duncan, recently nominated as the nation’s education secretary after leading the Chicago public school system since 2001. Chicago opened the nation’s first public high school run by the Army’s Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps and now features six full-site military academies, among other military-style programs.
To use a military analogy, opponents of this school are fighting the wrong battle against the wrong enemy. Their real argument, I suspect, is not with the military as a profession or as an institution; it is with decisions by elected civilian leadership on how that institution has been used or, too often, misused.
But military service, if that’s what kids choose, is a honorable and often wise career choice. For a lot of young people, a few years in the military acts as a useful bridge from adolescence to adulthood, particularly for those not ready academically, economically or emotionally for college. Even many high school kids respond well to the challenge and discipline of a military setting but might falter under some less structured system.
Attendance at the school is voluntary. It creates no commitment to later enlistment. I hope DeKalb officials stick to their guns … so to speak.
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CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:03 pm
Joe,
we all have problems. Hiding in some sort of school from these problems only furthers the inevitable. Besides, how many gays and lesbians are out there in grade school?
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
3:05 pm
Communist AJC,
The purpose of the gay high school as I understood it was students would have a better learning environment due to the stress placed upon them because of their peers.
So, I’m taking from what you wrote that it didn’t go through.
D.A.
March 24th, 2009
3:05 pm
Bosch,
There was but four broken lines about me not having an issue to discuss with you. Then I made comments, not questions not responses not homophobic bad jokes. The rest was mere explaination and declaration of you as a closet homophobic hate machine..OK alil much I know, but I certainly assume you are a homophobe, if that is how you attain desired reactions from your son.
Again I truely am sorry to have upset you.
Davo
March 24th, 2009
3:06 pm
Here’s an idea, instead of the military stepping in to educate the next generation, lets use the penal system instead. Think of the savings! Add to that the benefit to those kids prone to homosexuality…it could be their ‘fast-track’ in life.
Joe
March 24th, 2009
3:07 pm
Commie,
I agree with you, which is why I oppose such schools. Additionally, we know for a fact that separate automatically means inequal.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:07 pm
Joe, you speak of “tolerance” yet I read anti-Christian remarks all of the time on these blogs. What are we “intolerant” folks supposed to tolerate? I’m not about to tell someone how to live their life but when gays and lesbians go out of their way to try to force their lifestyles on other people I get irritated. It’s no coincidence that every single religion is against homosexuality. I mean, really, what is there to celebrate? Butt sex?
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:09 pm
Bosch,
everyone has problems growing up in high schools. Nerds get beat up by jocks etc… Nothing new under the sun. I need specifics. What is a gay high school going to accomplish besides codling a gay kid?
Midori
March 24th, 2009
3:09 pm
Bosch:
thank you for this. it says it all:
D.A.,
Oh, don’t worry, I’m not upset – especially over a non-issue like you are trying to make this out to be.
D.A.
March 24th, 2009
3:10 pm
Davo,
little disturbing with the fast track comment.
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
3:13 pm
D.A.
Again, for the third time, I’m not upset – and I thought you had nothing to discuss.
Would you like to just ask me a question instead of making inaccurate and false assumptions and projections? It could really save you some time.
Joe
March 24th, 2009
3:14 pm
1) Not every single religion is against homosexuality. In fact, not every Christian denomination is against homosexuality, but that’s not the discussion here.
2) One’s sexual orientation is not a “lifestyle” anymore than being Black is a “lifestyle”.
3) The thing with them to celebrate is love between each other. In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with censenting, non-exploitative relationships. I could be wrong, of course.
Yes, some idiots make anti-Christian comments here, just as other idiots make anti-Muslim comments and flat out racist comments here. But the point I was making earlier was that gay kids wouldn’t feel the need to suggest a gay school if they were not harrassed for who they are in school. Whether you like it or not, the fault lies with the harrasser, not the victim.
ESR
March 24th, 2009
3:15 pm
I thought we had gay schools already? Did they close UGA? ROLL TIDE !!!!
D.A.
March 24th, 2009
3:15 pm
Midori,
Cute you decided to join in, but is anyone shocked she had to do it in a tag team capacity? I won’t bite you don’t need a partner to talk with or in your case about me.
it was enough of an issue for you to post atleast 3 times about.
Gotta do something to make the world a better place will continue with you all later say around 8 or 9
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
3:17 pm
Commie,
I dont’ have any specifics, that’s all I know about it. I didn’t think it was too good of an idea anyway – I’m in the same camp as what Joe said earlier – we need to educate our kids to be more tolerant of gay and lesbian kids.
D.A.
March 24th, 2009
3:18 pm
Bosch,
I have told you there is no question. These are responses, if you are going to say something to or about me I usually give my reasons.
If you don’t want to hear them then your a big boy ignore it.
Again I am sorry to have upset you.
Seriously I gotta go.
Taxpayer
March 24th, 2009
3:18 pm
Bosch,
It’s OK to tell what happened at the end of the BSG show because some of these right wing nuts would have had to ask afterward anyway. We’re just being good little conservatives by using preemption.
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
3:24 pm
NOMAD,
Thanks.
Red
March 24th, 2009
3:24 pm
I’m ashamed ESR, but I laughed out loud. Good one, but now I have liberal guilt. I guess I need to give the homeless lady in Decatur a $10 bill on the way home now.
Midori
March 24th, 2009
3:24 pm
Bosch,
I think what he’s really trying to say is, “I really don’t have anything to say or add to this conversation. As a matter of fact, I know I’m a douche, and I’m sorry to upset you because I’m going to keep right on asking the same non questions and making the same silly statements until I can provoke a negative reaction from either you or Midori.”
Davo
March 24th, 2009
3:25 pm
R.I.P. Battlesoap Galactopera
Jumped the shark, then, circled around to jump it again! Holy Frak!
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:26 pm
Bosch,
parents can teach their kids whatever they want to. It’s no one’s business but their own. Christians get the blame for why there is so much dislike of the gay lifestyle yet Christians are not the one’s beating up gays. In California, for example, blacks voted against gay marriage by a massive margin yet Hollywood goes after Mormons. I have been going to church for years and never have I heard any Christian say that gays and lesbians should be killed or beaten. Gays and Lesbians need to be loved but their lifestyle is sinful. Not to say that there many other sinful lifestyles. Anyhoo, don’t mean to preach to you or anything.
caz1158
March 24th, 2009
3:26 pm
Joe- as per 2:02 entry, no I was’nt refering to you specificaly. But if you think the public school system is’nt broken then I can’t help you. The teachers union and the kids run the schools!!! & Parents in general don’t get involved, and we wonder why scores continue to be piss poor!
Joe
March 24th, 2009
3:32 pm
caz1158,
Please point out where I said that the public school system isn’t broken.
Thanks!
Also, the reason that kids in higher income areas tend to perform better is because there tends to be more parental involvement in education. So yes, we agree that parents need to get more involved.
D.A.
March 24th, 2009
3:34 pm
Midori, man what a person in need of love you are.
Funny you should say I am trying to get a negative reaction after you call me a douche.
Can you do anything on your own, or does Bosch, or someother, have to help you?
No my point was simple. I never had any question that I wanted asked. My original post was a statement about how I thought it was awsome to use homophobic fears to get ones child to do whatever they want.
I did not adress it to anyone or anything. Yet Bosch decided to respond by telling me some things about myself, then basically telling me that I am not worthy to voice my opinion. Apparently lower beings such as myself are only worthy to ask others questions as we could never be counted on to have answers of our own.
You show your charecter with every keystroke.
By the way thank you for telling me so much about myself I did not know, nor had ever even thought. But I can see how you would be a good source to use in regards to me since we have met and all. Whats that you say, you are just making up things in your head we have never met, really.
This is my first question to be answered.
Why is it and what qualifications or certificates do you have that enables you to KNOW things about those you have never met or interacted with until today, and how did you aquire such knowledge?
Or are you just making wild claims? If so there is medicationthat can be taken to curb some of the craving to do so.
I am also sorry I have now upset you as well.
ESR
March 24th, 2009
3:35 pm
Davo, that one was frakking good ending wasn’t it! Hate to see it go the way of Farscape and others but we have the new Stargate and Caprica to look forward to.
I Report/ You Whine
March 24th, 2009
3:36 pm
Yeah, discipline, respect and honor are awful things to instill in our youth.
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Liberals are mad that conservatives aren’t. The Wall Street Journal editorial page just sort of shrugged at the Geithner plan, saying it was encouraged that the White House had decided on a path forward. Any plan (as long as it was not nationalization) was better than no plan. And the conservative blogosphere still seems more enthusiastic about attacking the AIG tax increases than the complex Geithner plan. What’s more, with liberals attacking it, maybe it’s not such a bad idea.USNews
Any plan that has the libs eating their own works for me.
@@
March 24th, 2009
3:40 pm
An OFF TOPIC question:
Has anyone here heard the rumor that Petraeus is looking at a run for president in 2012?
Joe
March 24th, 2009
3:40 pm
“parents can teach their kids whatever they want to. It’s no one’s business but their own. Christians get the blame for why there is so much dislike of the gay lifestyle yet Christians are not the one’s beating up gays. In California, for example, blacks voted against gay marriage by a massive margin yet Hollywood goes after Mormons.”
1) So it’s no one’s business if parents raise their kids to be, say, suicide bombers? OK…
2) The Blacks who are opposed to gay rights hear about it from the pulpit and they turn to the Bible to defend their homophobia (while failing to look at who is in their choir, for example). Homophobia in the Black community is very much tied to Christianity.
3) The reason that the Mormons were singled out is because they funneled money into anti-gay rights campaigns and have been notoriously bigotted against Blacks (until recently) and gays.
“I have been going to church for years and never have I heard any Christian say that gays and lesbians should be killed or beaten. Gays and Lesbians need to be loved but their lifestyle is sinful. Not to say that there many other sinful lifestyles.”
That’s a cop-out. Again, one’s sexuality is no more a lifestyle choice than one’s skin color. By calling it a choice, you are marginalizing who they are.
By calling it a choice, you’re making a very interesting a priori assumption, as well. In order to make a choice, one must have two or more options; if sexuality is a choice for everyone, then that means that everyone has to be bisexual. So, are you bisexual, Commie? If not, then your argument of “choice” is faulty on that (among other) grounds.
Regarding what you’ve heard in church, I’m fairly certain that most of the Christian Knights of the Ku Klux Klan were never told to lynch Blacks and burn crosses when they went to their Sunday services.
That you teach that one’s nature is evil and sinful gives certain people the green light to do what they want to those “lesser people”.
G
March 24th, 2009
3:41 pm
Every single religion is not against homosexuality. The churches below accept homosexuals.
Anglican, Canadian and American Reformed, Christian Reformed, Church of the Nazarene, Episcopal, Lutheran, United Methodist, Metropolitan Community, Moravian, New Apostolic, Presbyterian, United Reformed, Religious Society of Friends (Quaker), Roman Catholic, Old Catholic, Reformed Catholic, Swedenborgian, Unification, Unitarian Universalist, United Church of Canada, United Church of Christ, Uniting Church in Australia, Unity School of Christianity, and Waldensian.
Dusty
March 24th, 2009
3:41 pm
Thanks, Joe, for your information about a Marine-linked school. I am familiar with ROTC. My husband was in NROTC at his university and liked the good training.
But I know little or nothing about ROTC in high schools. I wonder why this was not called a MROTC High School. And a magnet school requires better abilities. doesn’t it?
My children are out of high school, with only one still in a unversity system. That one gets a PhD in May. Excuse my “bragging” but I am very pleased over that accomplishment!
caz1158
March 24th, 2009
3:42 pm
Joe-In regards to kids in higher income area’s doing better,I agree thats partially true. Parents,taechers,mentors,and peer pressure are all strong ingridents. Parental involvement is not solely nor should ever be, because of economic situation. There are to many excuses,some valid,some not.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:46 pm
G, provide the proof, G. I attend a reformed church and they do not accept gay marriage. United Methodist does not either. The Episcopalian Church is losing members in mass numbers as is the Catholic Church over this issue. It’s not Biblical and people are accepting worldly views rather than God’s view. Good luck with that folks.
G
March 24th, 2009
3:49 pm
I don’t have to prove a d@mn thing to you, Communist. Google it like I did.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:49 pm
G,
one more thing, you are grouping entire denominations as accepting of gays yet you fail to understand that it’s usually one or two churches that accept it. Let’s use the United Methodist Church. You claim that the entire church accepts gay marriage YET the entire church does not. My parents attend a Methodist church and the pastor speaks out against it.
Explain this, if churches are accepting of gays then why is gay marriage struck down in every state where the voters get to vote?
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
3:49 pm
Commie @ 3:26,
I don’t mind the preaching. But I don’t know your point – all I said was that I think we should teach our kids to be more tolerant, and that I agree with Joe – I believe it was you who brought up Christianity in to the mix.
And we’ll just need to agree to disagree on the “being gay is a sin” thing. I don’t buy that for a minute.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:50 pm
G, you’re like Midori. Always posting said facts yet you can’t back it up with concrete evidence. Good thing you are not a lawyer, G, or you’d be disbarred in a heartbeat.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:52 pm
Bosch, you wrote: And we’ll just need to agree to disagree on the “being gay is a sin” thing. I don’t buy that for a minute.
You don’t buy that homosexuality is sinful? Ok, you’re opinion. Nothing to back it up but it’s your opinion.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:52 pm
G, you wrote: I don’t have to prove a d@mn thing to you, Communist.
You just did prove something to me, G. You proved what a hack you really are.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:53 pm
Bosch, I brought up Christians because Christians are the first to be called “intolerant” of others.
Midori
March 24th, 2009
3:55 pm
while scraping Commie off my shoe, it appears that there is some of DA on there as well.
you guys share the same DNA too?
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
3:55 pm
Commie@ 3:52,
Nice try, but I’m not going there.
Midori
March 24th, 2009
3:55 pm
oh goody — Commie is about to blow.
excuse me while I get some popcorn.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
3:56 pm
Bosch, found this:
The biblical passages in Leviticus, Romans, and 1 Corinthians are clear prohibitions against homosexual activity:
In Leviticus 20:1 3, homosexual practice is called an “abomination.”
In Romans 1:26-27, homosexual intercourse is referred to as a “degraded passion.”
In 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, we are told that fornicators and adulterers and drunkards and homosexuals, etc. will not “inherit the kingdom of God.
It is true that the New Testament Gospel accounts have no record that Jesus ever directly addressed homosexuality in His teachings–but to argue that homosexuality is acceptable to God because we have no direct words from Christ, is to say by the same logic that we must approve the activities of child pornographers, cocaine traffickers, and wife beaters–because Jesus never addressed those matters either.
Joe
March 24th, 2009
3:57 pm
Dusty,
It’s MCJROTC or MJROTC, and the general term is JROTC for Junior ROTC. There is no military commitment after you graduate, and the programs are excellent for the youths involved. I’ve known several public schools in my hometown to have JROTC programs, and at least two of the Catholic schoolsl did (mine and one of our rivals).
Here’s the wiki site on JROTC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jrotc Yes, between 30% and 50% of the cadets go on to join the military, but from my experience, many of those kids are the ones who do so via college ROTC or the Academies.
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
3:58 pm
Midori,
I think it’s best just to ignore those who are trying to get a rise out of you.
Commie,
No, in my opinion, it’s not Christians as a group who are intolerant, it’s fundamentalists – from any religion – who are intolerant.
caz1158
March 24th, 2009
4:01 pm
Commie-While I agree with your alot of your political views, I see you have alot of Taxpayer in you when commenting on others intelligence-NOT GOOD!!!!
Joe
March 24th, 2009
4:02 pm
Commie,
Wearing clothes of mixed fabrics is an abomination. Does your church preach against that? Does your church preach against cheeseburgers?
Does your church allow women to speak while they are in church (1 Cor 14:33-35)? If you want to open that up to interpretation, then you had damned well be prepared to open up St. Paul’s exhortations against “homosexuality” to interpretation, as well.
Or do you pick and choose what to take literally?
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
4:04 pm
Bosch, here is some more info that I found.
1. HOMOSEXUALITY IS UNNATURAL
When God created human beings, He made them male and female. The Bible account of creation establishes human beings as persons who possess a specific sexual identity: “So God created man in his own image. . .male and female he created them” (Genesis 1:27). God did not create Man alone, neither did He create man/man or woman/woman. Man was created for another. That other is woman. Their relationship is ordered by God.
Jesus says as recorded in Matthew 19:4-5, “Have ye not read that he who made them at the beginning, made them male and female; and said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife?” Jesus reaffirmed the Creator’s original intention for the man/woman relationship.
In Genesis 3 we find the goodness of God’s creation distorted by sin, and the divinely established pattern for male-female relationships was marred. Estrangement and alienation replaced God’s intention. Rebellion and pride brought strain between the sexes. Some of the results of the Fall include adultery (Genesis 26:10), rape (Genesis 34:2), prostitution (Genesis 38:15-18), and homosexuality (Genesis 19:4-7). These are all deviations from God’s created order.
The Scriptures specifically declare that homosexuality is unnatural behavior. “For this cause God gave them up into vile affections; for even their women changed the natural use for that which is against nature; and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemly” (Romans 1:2627). It is not normal to be attracted to a member of the same sex. It violates the basic sexual structure which God created. It is a perversion. It is against nature.
2. HOMOSEXUALITY IS SINFUL
The Bible classifies homosexual practice as sin. It is a violation of the will of God. A simple reading of Genesis 19 (about the two angels who paid a visit to Sodom and stayed in Lot’s home) indicates that sodomy is a great wickedness (Genesis 19:4-5). In the Book of Jude (verse 7), God points to Sodom’s homosexuality as an example of the kind of immorality that brings the vengeance of eternal fire.
In 1 Kings 15:11-12, God commends good King Asa as follows: “And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord, as did David his father. And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.” It is hardly conceivable that such an abomination as sodomy should find acceptance in our nation’s churches.
The Bible says that to lie with a person of the same sex is an abomination. In Leviticus 18:22, we read, Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is abomination.” And while some Old Testament commands have been canceled in the new dispensation, never has anything that is called “an abomination” in the Old Testament been given God’s approval in the New Testament. The New Testament condemns all homosexual activity without qualification. In 1 Corinthians 6:9 we read, “Be not deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind. ..shall inherit the kingdom of God.” The two Greek words translated “abusers of themselves with mankind” apply to any continuous homosexual activity, whether it is a covenanted permanent relationship or a promiscuously lustful relationship. Homosexuality is an insult against God.
caz1158
March 24th, 2009
4:04 pm
Commie-OK,I guess??
Taxpayer
March 24th, 2009
4:05 pm
I had to go to court some time back to testify regarding items that were stolen from my house and subsequently recovered. The judge offered one of the ‘kids’ a chance to either go to prison or enlist. He chose to enlist. I never did hear how that worked out for him. He could have retired as a Corporal for all I know.
Joe
March 24th, 2009
4:05 pm
Commie,
Both you and Taxpayer have intelligence. It’s just that sometimes both of you don’t direct it properly. I’m just saying that both of you seem to allow your anger to get the better of you in these insignificant (in the grand scheme of things) fora.
Dusty
March 24th, 2009
4:05 pm
Just wanted to mention that to establish gay high schools would be setting up segregation which is out lawed. Children with disabilites are mainlined. I believe sexual “preference” would be no excuse to segregate students in a public school. I think the Justice system would be against any segregation for legal reasons.
“Getting along better with each other” has long been discarded as an excuse to segregate any citizens except criminals.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
4:06 pm
Joe, like I said before, there are a lot of sinful acts. Gluttony is sinful. Lust is sinful. No, I don’t pick and choose anything. I was trying to inform Bosch that teaching that homosexuality is to be “tolerated” is backwards. You should really calm down and understand my intentions.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
4:07 pm
Joe,
I’m not angry.
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
4:09 pm
Commie,
Please do not feel obliged to “teach” me anything. And yes, Joe is absolutely correct – you can not pick and choose what to take literally in the Bible and what not too. That’s called being hypocritical.
T
March 24th, 2009
4:14 pm
How does the Bible feel about incest?
I mean, if God created Adam and Eve, who did their children marry?
Joe
March 24th, 2009
4:14 pm
Commie,
If you believe that homosexuality is a choice, then that is a backwards belief. People don’t choose to become second class citizens.
Again, Biblically speaking, homosexuality is on the same level as wearing a shirt that is a cotton/wool/synthetic blend, eating a cheeseburger, or allowing women to speak in church.
And if it’s a choice, then when did you choose not to be a homosexual?
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
4:15 pm
Bosch, the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong. You can not argue that one, comrade.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 24th, 2009
4:19 pm
“So does anyone know if the school will uphold the don’t ask don’t tell policy”
Seriously, I’d be kind of shocked if DADT were anything more than an unpleasant memory in a few months, so the question’s probably moot.
Bosch
March 24th, 2009
4:21 pm
Commie,
No it doesn’t. Biblical scripture is open for interpretation – and you can not argue that either.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
4:22 pm
Joe, if homosexuality was on the same level as the other issues why is it talked about in Old and New Testament?
When did homos become second class citizens? They can vote, work and do just about every other activity that heteros can do. Except pro-create. Yep, you need a penis and vagina for that.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
4:25 pm
Bosch,
cool so the Bible clearly states “Thou shalt not kill.” Does that mean you can go out and kill anyone you want because it was not specific about who you can and can’t kill?
Bosch, I don’t, for one second, believe that you are a Christian. You can not be a Christian and make up your own beliefs. You can’t be a Christian and disagree with what the Bible teaches. You can not be a Christian and somehow find “loopholes” in scripture.
The Bible CLEARLY states what is right and what is wrong.
lovelyliz
March 24th, 2009
4:25 pm
How soon before we see a Peace Corp school or something geared towards producing community activists?
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
4:30 pm
Bosch,
shall I post scripture that is against homosexuality? Here goes, Bosch.
Leviticus 18:22 – “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.”
Romans 1:26-27 – “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.”
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”
The Corporal
March 24th, 2009
4:32 pm
To fearless fosdick:
That’s part of your problem. It’s not Oh Rah …. it’s Ooo Rah!
Now, work on that … Ooo Rah….. Ooo Rah!
P.S. I’ve never set foot in a Legion or VFW. Too many “pretenders”.
Mrs. Godzilla:
What a great name for your car. UZI’s were great. I shot them for 30 years and then they went to the MP-5’s ………..
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The Corporal
March 24th, 2009
4:32 pm
Bosch:
If you have never seen this it is very good. It’s sad, but it will help regarding your pet…………….
http://www.indigo.org/rainbowbridge_ver2.html
@@
March 24th, 2009
4:35 pm
Arne Duncan was in favor of the gay school when in Chicago. Incorporated into the curriculum was a class on social justice. I’m thinking that would fall into the category of community activism.
Come to think of it, if Duncan is our new Secretary of Education and is in favor of this military school, who’s to say gay schools won’t follow. We’ll all be divvied up into little enclaves of self-interest.
How progressive. Mo money.
I take it nobody’s heard the rumor about Petraeus. Well…..Stratfor is speculating on the rumor and points out why there may be some truth to it. Petraeus’s approach to Afghanistan is clearly not the same as Obama’s.
Time will tell.
Taxpayer
March 24th, 2009
4:35 pm
Intelligence is relative, Joe. As is anger.
JohnF
March 24th, 2009
4:40 pm
Jeez, you add the word “gay” to a blog and you can really see the loonies foaming at the mouth.
The Chicago Gay high school was supposed to have the same goals as the Harvey Milk school in NY, to provide an environment where the students (gay or just perceived as being gay) can concentrate on their academic goals and not on how to avoid being harassed or beaten up.
I fully support the one in NY because I know how much happier the students are by not getting pounded on a regular basis. Yes, commie it is quite common all across US for gay students to be bullied regularly every day. What you don’t know about gay bullying (being on the receiving end anyway) would fill a book.
Critics of these schools say that the gay students shouldn’t have to run from a regular school and that tough no-bullying rules should be enforced. But we all know that’s not going to happen, especially with religous nutters like commie around.
This school should absolutely be funded by private means though.
As far as arguments about the morality of homosexulity..what if you aren’t a Christian and aren’t burdened with having to live your life through that medieval piece of literature called the bible?
Please…no false analogies.
@@
March 24th, 2009
4:42 pm
Well, Bosch refuses to respond to anything I post but, then again, I’m not asking for a response.
Interpretations of scripture are open to young (any age) Christians only. Once the understanding of God’s word is clear to the reader, that’s when a person becomes a matured Christian.
Jesus was separated from His Father during that moment of suffering (crucifixion) at which time he was taking on the sins of mankind. He had to be separated because God cannot be a partner to sin.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
4:46 pm
JohnF, again, Christians aren’t the ones beating gay kids up. You have ZERO proof of that one, comrade. The problem with the gay high school in Chicago was the fact that tax payers were going to front the money. And, no, the Bible is still relevant in this world. Nothing is new under the sun, comrade. Same problems, different technology. Sin is sin no matter what you say.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
4:47 pm
@@,
how is it people who claim to be Christians, Bosch, can’t seem to interpret what the Bible clearly states in several books in the Old and New Testament?
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
4:48 pm
JohnF,
if getting a beating is the only thing gay kids are concerned about why not have them home schooled like other kids? I mean, kids get beat up all of the time for race, hair style, clothing style and the way they talk. That will never change, comrade.
JohnF
March 24th, 2009
4:56 pm
It ain’t relevant to me bud! And apparently it’s becoming a lot less relevant to a lot of people.
“Sin” is a hollow word to non-christians, comrade!
Do I have to go find all of the articles on gay bashing where the assailant made a comment about his religious beliefs (i.e, Christian beliefs) as he was pummeling someone he thought was gay? I’m with G, do your own googling.
JohnF
March 24th, 2009
5:01 pm
Commie,
So have you ever been beat up or harassed for anything?
@@
March 24th, 2009
5:01 pm
CommunistAJC:
I’ve always thought that Bosch’s intention was to take cheap shots at Christians. If he is one, he certainly doesn’t exhibit love for his brothers and sisters in Christ.
As Christians go, I’m maybe in a freshman class. It’s that liberal past in me that’s held me back, I guess.
Your knowledge of scriptures helps. Pulls me in so to speak.
Bosch is an oddball — here for socialization and not much else. Everytime I see him debating, the word, mooshy comes to mind. I’ve been guilty of the same.
Bosch refuses to reach a climactic point. He will forever and always be unfinished business.
Dusty
March 24th, 2009
5:02 pm
Dear @@,
I had not heard any rumors about Petraeus. I thought he was running the whole military operation in the Mid East. Obama said he wasnted to send more troops to Afghanistan. What would Petraeus like?
Should the good general leave the military I certainly hope he joins the Republicans in their efforts. Now there’s a man I could vote for..smart, organized and experienced in running large organizations. He can speak without teleprompters and give reliable information. Doesn’t get any better than that! (And I bet his wife has found she likes almost everything in the USA!)
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
5:09 pm
JohnF, I wear glasses now but years ago some redneck kids used to beat on me in PE for wearing glasses. I took quite a few beatings until my county rerouted my district and I ended up going to a different middle school. My parents taught me to ignore it but I got more and more angry everyday. The best revenge was knowing that the so-called leader of the redneck kids ended up dropping out of high school and getting some girl pregnant. I got suspended once in high school for fighting. I was in band and took my trombone to some idiot kids face for harassing another band member during practice. That kid had about 12 stitches to his right cheek but he never messed with band members again. My whole point is self-defense. Learn it and use it when necessary.
@@, your assessment is correct.
The Corporal
March 24th, 2009
5:18 pm
lovelyliz:
There already are. It’s called “Kindergarten”.
@@
March 24th, 2009
5:40 pm
Dusty:
Petraeus is still the chief of CENTCOM, but he handed off tactical control of all special forces units in Afghanistan to General David McKiernan, commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan.
Coming off of his successful surge strategy in Iraq, Petraeus is in favor of launching a ROBUST (a word foreign to Obama) counterinsurgency campaign in the Afghan-Pakistani border area depriving Al Qaeda of its support network. His will be a long-haul strategy.
Obama, with so much on his plate and little experience in foreign relations, is looking to make concessions. Had it not been for all his big talk during the campaign, Afghanistan would be an afterthought. So what does he do with his limited attention span? He deflates expectations concerning Afghanistan.
I guess we’ll see something in the coming months whether Obama is willing to listen to his military commanders on the ground.
Depending on how things go here in Politics U.S.A., he may want to run as an independent. That’d be O.K. with me.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
5:45 pm
JohnF, as for your rantings at 4:56 pm. Your words, comrade, not mine. If sin is a non-issue to you then please, go out and do as you please. Your actions will ALWAYS have consequences. Um, I did my own googling and I did post fact and truth. It’s people like you and G who make up stuff and pass it up as fact without ever posting any concrete evidence. Sorry comrade, but you lose.
G
March 24th, 2009
7:03 pm
Communist, you are too lazy to look something up for yourself. Why do you think anyone on here cares about your opinions? Where did you get that impression? No one does, I assure you. You are a nothing, nobody, zero, zilch.
CommunistAJC
March 24th, 2009
7:26 pm
G, you failed to back up your claims and you call me lazy? If I am a nobody then why are you responding? Go sell stupid somewhere else.
radiowxman
March 24th, 2009
8:03 pm
Apparently, the guy who thinks this idea is the worst thing to happen in Georgia education’s history thinks the Marines are worse than segregation.
Peter - VFP
March 25th, 2009
2:13 pm
Please explain to me how the USMC has excessive funding and resources they do not need to fight the war on terror, supply their personnel in two wars.
Rebecca Wynn Amerson
April 14th, 2009
10:20 pm
The resistance to the Marine Academy is not about another option for school children and their parents in DeKalb, it is about appropriate location. We have many magnet programs in DeKalb and we have supported them. The leaders on our school board want to place this high school in a former elementary school with only 40 parking spaces, no gym, no field, no locker rooms and no science labs. The Heritage School sits on the curve of Heritage Drive off Briarcliff Road about 1/2 mile from Lakeside High. McDaniel Park with only five parking spaces is located next door.
Heritage was retrofitted in the 1980’s for severely physically handicapped students with lots of ramps and wide doors. Only about 60 students are there now. The proposed Marine Academy is forecasted to eventually house 650 students. Where?
If you haven’t investigated the site for the proposed school then you probably don’t understand the resistance to the Marine Academy. We don’t have a lot of money in DeKalb at this moment. What public school does? How much will it take to renovate Heritage? Or any elementary school for high school students?
Can you imagine all those 18 year old Marine cadets trying to use the bathroom facilities in a former elementary school? How much would just renovating the bathrooms cost?
Just up Briarcliff near the intersection of North Druid Hills is Adams Stadium and former Briarcliff High. It is a high school built for large framed people. There are baseball fields and practice fields there. There is a former gym used by the Open Campus School which is moving to Stone Mountain that can easily be renovated back into a gym. Renovating a gym vs. building a brand new gym would seem to cost a little less money. There is also parking for high school students who will probably want to drive to the Marine Academy like most high school students do. DeKalb has already cut bus service in order to save money. It would be much easier for students all over DeKalb to get to the N.Druid Hills/Briarcliff Road facility which is close to I85 than to drive to a small residential elementary school off the beaten path.
The question you and the AJC board should be asking DeKalb County – why not the property on N. Druid Hills since DSA and Open Campus will vacate it this summer? Why not use a high school facility for high school students? Where are they going to get the money for all the renovations of Heritage? Where will the expansion be built in that tiny 7 acre plot at Heritage? Why did we not find out about this proposal until six months prior to the school opening? Have any site or traffic plans been completed on the Heritage property? These and many other questions may be answered in the meeting tonight and then again, may not be. Can you and the AJC board present both sides concerning the proposed Marine Academy on Heritage Drive? We’d like some answers and some sane planning for any and all schools for our students. We are not against a Marine Academy. We are against the imprudent use of our tax dollars for a poor location of a high school.