Marine-linked high school a good option for some

From the AJC:

DeKalb County school officials are forging ahead with plans to open a first-of-its-kind military-style public high school, despite a growing campaign by activists upset at the involvement of the U.S. Marines.

“It’s the worst thing that’s ever happened in Georgia education,” said Michael Burke, a DeKalb resident and spokesman for the Georgia Veterans Alliance, a group that aligns itself with the work of the Georgia Peace and Justice Coalition, among others.

“The whole thing is just a ploy” to help the Marines recruit, Burke said. “We expect to fight it tooth and nail.”

That response irritated DeKalb school system officials. They said it stereotypes the proposed Marine school and students who may be interested in it. The protests — mounted largely through e-mails and letters — have not deterred them, they said.

“This is not a training ground to send kids into the military,” said DeKalb schools Superintendent Crawford Lewis, whose system, with 99,700 students, is the state’s third-largest. “My job is not to look after a portion of children but all the children. One size does not fit all. For the mom who believes her child is capable of going to college but lacks discipline, this is a choice.”

The DeKalb Marine Corps Institute will be the first of its kind in Georgia, and joins an expanding network of such schools nationwide. The first public military academy opened in Richmond, Va., in 1980, and more than a dozen now exist in places from New York to Wisconsin.

One proponent has been Arne Duncan, recently nominated as the nation’s education secretary after leading the Chicago public school system since 2001. Chicago opened the nation’s first public high school run by the Army’s Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps and now features six full-site military academies, among other military-style programs.

To use a military analogy, opponents of this school are fighting the wrong battle against the wrong enemy. Their real argument, I suspect, is not with the military as a profession or as an institution; it is with decisions by elected civilian leadership on how that institution has been used or, too often, misused.

But military service, if that’s what kids choose, is a honorable and often wise career choice. For a lot of young people, a few years in the military acts as a useful bridge from adolescence to adulthood, particularly for those not ready academically, economically or emotionally for college. Even many high school kids respond well to the challenge and discipline of a military setting but might falter under some less structured system.

Attendance at the school is voluntary. It creates no commitment to later enlistment. I hope DeKalb officials stick to their guns … so to speak.

186 comments Add your comment

The Professor

March 24th, 2009
12:13 pm

Copyleft

March 24th, 2009
12:14 pm

How is the Marine Corps suddenly in the business of running high-school education? Are they also going to be deployed to run the water-treatment plants and work on road crews? Will we have Marine dentists and bag boys too?

I thought the USMC had some sort of specific mission statement… something about “defending the country” or somesuch. What became of that?

The Corporal

March 24th, 2009
12:14 pm

Jay:

I’m picking myself up off the floor ! A big Ooo Rah to Jay!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iVAvb5_oXY

The Corporal

March 24th, 2009
12:15 pm

Copyleft:

Marine “dentists” are Navy officers. We don’t repair teeth – we knock them out.

DB, Gwinnettian

March 24th, 2009
12:24 pm

Our armed forces? Poking their nose in the public school systems? Let me think…

hey, who’s the Commander in Chief?

So long as the CiC’s not a total dork I guess it’s ok.

DB, Gwinnettian

March 24th, 2009
12:26 pm

I’d been catching up in the old threads. Kind of astonished that our Corporal is on record as wanting to limit executive compensation.

catlady

March 24th, 2009
12:28 pm

Unfortunately they are limiting the admission to those already showing mastery in algebra, a more select group. Don’t say they are not targeting for recruitment!

caz1158

March 24th, 2009
12:29 pm

Jay-If it’s ok to brain wash our kids to liberal idea’s & agenda’s in our public school’s now.Why is it wrong to have a pubic military school? Seems like a good idea to have alternative views and values taught as well. I don’t see a problem with it.

CommunistAJC

March 24th, 2009
12:29 pm

Dekalb County kids as well as Clayton County kids need some sort of discipline. Not only do these kids not have discipline, they also have low grades and test scores. If their parents or should I say, baby momas, can’t learn them something then this school can.

The Corporal

March 24th, 2009
12:30 pm

DB, Gwinnettian:

This is not a “poking their nose”. This is a Marine High School !

They will memorize stuff like this !

“This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I WILL…

My rifle and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. WE WILL HIT…

My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage as I will ever guard my legs, my arms, my eyes and my heart against damage. I will keep my rifle clean and ready. We will become part of each other. WE WILL…

Before God, I swear this creed. My rifle and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. WE ARE THE SAVIORS OF MY LIFE….

So be it, until victory is America’s and there is no enemy, but peace! -Marine rifle creed …”

Ooo Rah!

The Corporal

March 24th, 2009
12:31 pm

DB, Gwinnettian:

Executive Compensation?

A little “tongue in cheek” and a little “hyperbole” ……….. :o )

CommunistAJC

March 24th, 2009
12:32 pm

MORE PROOF THAT SARAH PALIN IS SMARTER THAN BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.

Does Barack Obama know who the President of France is?

It’s long been the case that the easiest way for an American and a Brit – whatever their respective political persusasions – to bond is to chuckle over something rude about the French.

Jokes about garlic, frogs’ legs, surrender, duplicity, take your pick – it’s safe ground. If Barack Obama had gone on Leno and made a barbed quip about our Gallic friends instead of the Special Olympics he’d have been home free.

So perhaps the new president is being devilishly clever by, as Le Figaro reports, writing to Jacques Chirac, former French president, that: “I am certain that we will be able to work together, in the coming four years, in a spirit of peace and friendship to build a safer world.”

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/03/24/does_barack_obama_know_who_the_president_of_france_is

Joe

March 24th, 2009
12:33 pm

They are not. I was in MCJROTC in high school, and the overwhelming majority of my batallion did not enter into military careers after high school. Those who did, however, did so by choosing schools such as the United States Naval Academy or Virginia Military Institute or by winning ROTC scholarships at other universities.

MCJROTC teaches leadership and discipline. It is not a recruiting tool.

Those who know me know that I am as liberal as the day is long, and I support this decision. Personally, I think that more schools like this should be started in metropolitan areas.

CommunistAJC

March 24th, 2009
12:34 pm

And….more proof that democrats are hypocritical morons.

Dodd’s Wife a Former Director of Bermuda-Based IPC Holdings, an AIG Controlled Company.

No wonder Senator Christopher Dodd (D-Conn) went wobbly last week when asked about his February amendment ratifying hundreds of millions of dollars in bonuses to executives at insurance giant AIG. Dodd has been one of the company’s favorite recipients of campaign contributions. But it turns out that Senator Dodd’s wife has also benefited from past connections to AIG as well.

From 2001-2004, Jackie Clegg Dodd served as an “outside” director of IPC Holdings, Ltd., a Bermuda-based company controlled by AIG. IPC, which provides property casualty catastrophe insurance coverage, was formed in 1993 and currently has a market cap of $1.4 billion and trades on the NASDAQ under the ticker symbol IPCR. In 2001, in addition to a public offering of 15 million shares of stock that raised $380 million, IPC raised more than $109 million through a simultaneous private placement sale of 5.6 million shares of stock to AIG – giving AIG a 20% stake in IPC. (AIG sold its 13.397 million shares in IPC in August, 2006.)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/03/dodds_wife_a_former_director_o.html

DB, Gwinnettian

March 24th, 2009
12:35 pm

Corporal asks me: “Executive Compensation?”

Well, you said “We just need to get the salaries down.” I have no idea why you feel that that needs to happen, is all.

Taxpayer

March 24th, 2009
12:35 pm

Are they getting ready to handle the triage after all the followers of all things Bachman take up arms and start their revolution.

Copyleft

March 24th, 2009
12:36 pm

That one’s already been discredited, Commie; nice try. Obama was writing IN REPLY to Chirac’s earlier letter, and at no time did Obama address Chirac as president of France.

Just another cheap, badly-done smear attempt by the desperate right-wing media….

Midori

March 24th, 2009
12:36 pm

come back of the ledge, Commie.

it’s going to be all right.

CommunistAJC

March 24th, 2009
12:37 pm

And….another democrat with tax problems.

So does Democrat Pete Stark represent California or Maryland?

Oh-oh, looks like more tax troubles for another Democrat in Washington.

California’s Rep. Pete Stark, a senior House Democrat who helps write the nation’s tax laws, has been claiming a $1.7 million Maryland home as his principal residence in recent years, although he represents the Golden State’s 13th District on the east side of San Francisco Bay.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/03/pete-stark-hous.html

DB, Gwinnettian

March 24th, 2009
12:38 pm

“come back of the ledge, Commie.”

Why? I think he looks swell there.

The Corporal

March 24th, 2009
12:38 pm

I know you libs. out there (with exceptions) just can’t stand the idea of this high school ……… too bad we can’t make ROTC mandatory again in our state universities.

“There is no better friend…
and no worse enemy than a United States Marine.”
————-
“I have just returned from visiting the Marines at the front,
and there is not a finer fighting organization in the world.”
- General Douglas MacArthur, US Army, outskirts of Seoul, 21 September 1950.
—————–
“Come on, you sons of bitches-do you want to live forever?”
- Gunnery Sergeant Daniel Daly, USMC, near Lucy-`le-Bocage
as he led the 5th Marines’ attack into Belleau Wood, 6 June 1918.
————-
“Among the men who fought on Iwo Jima, uncommon valor was a common virtue.”
- Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, US Navy, 16 March 1945.
————-
“Retreat Hell! We’re just attacking in another direction.”
- Attributed to Major General Oliver P. Smith, USMC, Korea, December 1950.
————-
“Don’t you forget that you’re First Marines!
Not all the communists in Hell can overrun you!”
-Col. Lewis B. “Chesty” Puller, USMC rallying his First Marine
Regiment near the Chosin Reservoir, Korea, December 1950.
————-
“The safest place in Korea was right behind a platoon of Marines.
Lord, how they could fight!”
-MGen. Frank E. Lowe, US Army; Korea, 26 January 1952.
————-

“Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they’ve made a difference.
The Marines don’t have that problem.”
- President Ronald Reagan.
————-
“Marines I see as two breeds, Rottweilers or Dobermans,
because Marines come in two varieties, big and mean,
or skinny and mean. They’re aggressive on the attack and
tenacious on defense. They’ve got really short hair and they
always go for the throat.”
-RAdm. “Jay” R. Stark, US Navy; 10 November 1995.
————-
“For over 221 years our Corps has done two things for this great Nation.
We make Marines, and we win battles.”
-Gen. Charles C. Krulak, USMC (CMC); 5 May 1997

Joe

March 24th, 2009
12:38 pm

Commie, here is the rest of the article:

These kind of seem like the kind of words most suitable for a sitting head of state, not a former one. The use of the word “peace” is apparently being interpreted by the French newspaper as a tacit recognition of Chirac’s strong stance against the Iraq invasion.

Some have interpreted the move as a one-fingered gesture to Nicolas Sarkozy, the current president of France. “So, if I understand well, Mister O., who has already despised Gordon Brown, behaving with him as if he did not know he is Prime Minister of Britain, does not even know the name of the French president,” blogs Europumas.

“I wonder if someone had told him, when he came to France last summer, that the man he met was NOT Jacques Chirac!”

What better way to make up with Gordon Brown after the DVDs fiasco than to insult France’s president?

Or perhaps it could have been payback for Sarkozy’s supposed opinion that Obama’s stance on Iran was “utterly immature”.

But wait. The now online-only Christian Science Monitor reports that Obama was simply replying to a letter from Chirac “who was writing him as the head of his foundation – the Jacques Chirac Foundation for sustainable development and cultural dialogue”.

Perhaps the hair-trigger settings of the Obama gaffe detectors are leading to a few shots going wide of the mark.

And here is the article from the Christian Science Monitor that your article mentions but you lack the gonadal fortitude to post:

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/03/23/obama-writes-letter-to-chirac-blogosphere-goes-crazy/

Nice attempt at distracting from the topic at hand, by the way.

CommunistAJC

March 24th, 2009
12:38 pm

Copyleft, keep telling yourself that. Also, keep telling yourself that President Teleprompter didn’t say that he’s been to all 57 states.

Midori, I’m far from any ledge Midori. Thanks

The Corporal

March 24th, 2009
12:40 pm

To DB G.:

Because some of it is off the charts whether 20 million for an executive or a quarterback.

However, it should be done WITHOUT the interference of the government.

caz1158

March 24th, 2009
12:41 pm

Joe- Imagine a school teaching our kids to read & write, but also respect and honor!! Boy,what a disater that would be for far left.

caz1158

March 24th, 2009
12:42 pm

sorry bout spelling,dang public schools!!!

CommunistAJC

March 24th, 2009
12:43 pm

Joe, so why is the CS Moniter blog the only one reporting that President Teleprompter was writing to Chirac earlier?

you wrote: Nice attempt at distracting from the topic at hand, by the way.

This coming from a left winger who doesn’t want to talk about what a horrible job President Teleprompter is doing with the economy.

Jay

March 24th, 2009
12:52 pm

Commie, you are grossly stereotyping. My younger daughter was on her high-school mock-trial team; two years in a row, her team came lost in the state finals to the highly disciplined, highly effective mock-trial team from Jonesboro High, in Clayton County.

Both years, I believe, the Jonesboro team went on to win the national mock-trial championship. And they deserved it.

The Corporal

March 24th, 2009
12:52 pm

DB, Gwinnettian

March 24th, 2009
12:54 pm

Corporal, I’m not sure how you get those salaries down without government intervention. But, then, I’m not looking to limit anyone’s pay.

Just FYI, here’s one of several lists I turned up–this is from Forbes’ 2008 Top 25 list of CEOs.

Looks like #25 still managed about about double A-Rod’s average per-year take in his current contract.

DB, Gwinnettian

March 24th, 2009
12:55 pm

Jay writes: Commie, you are gross

Indeed.

ESR

March 24th, 2009
1:00 pm

I think the kids in most DeKalb County schools could probably teach the military a thing or two about guns and how to shoot one.

caz1158

March 24th, 2009
1:00 pm

Jay-You to just grossly sterotyped. You gave one example!!! I lived in clayton county for over ten years. I took my kids out of the public schools there because of how poor they were at preparing my kids for the real world. I commuted my kids to another county using a false address (until we moved) to get them out of there. There many,many other parents that have done the same!!

The Corporal

March 24th, 2009
1:01 pm

DB G:

I don’t either (public pressure?) ….. but I know I DON’T want the government involved.

CommunistAJC

March 24th, 2009
1:03 pm

Jay, you seriously need to hire a proofreader. Your daughter finished LOST? As in last, or maybe she was lost with the questions that the moderator asked?

Also, you wrote: Commie, you are grossly stereotyping.

Well oh well, Bookman. This coming from someone who consistently stereotypes republicans as “right-wing extremists.” Yeah, you have room to talk Bookman.

DB, Gwinnettian, yeah, you are in need of an eye doctor. Quick.

CommunistAJC

March 24th, 2009
1:04 pm

ESR, the difference between Dekalb County thugs and the military is the military can actually hit their intended target.

CommunistAJC

March 24th, 2009
1:07 pm

caz1158, you gotta understand Bookmans psyche. You see, to Bookman a Christian is an abortion clinic bomber, a white southern man is a member of the KKK or had relatives who were and on and on.

Midori

March 24th, 2009
1:07 pm

ESR

March 24th, 2009
1:14 pm

Okay, I can’t let this one go by me. Clayton County school kids should excel in mock trials, how many have they sat in, in their short lives?

caz1158

March 24th, 2009
1:15 pm

Midori-one question- With so much about Obama fake,how do we know if he even knows of which he speaks? He’s going to make a great “Made for Tv President” don’t cha think??

G

March 24th, 2009
1:17 pm

I believe there are many young people who would benefit from this type of school.

caz1158

March 24th, 2009
1:17 pm

ESR-Thats about the only time attendance is high!!

CommunistAJC

March 24th, 2009
1:18 pm

Jay Bookman, what were the topics of debate?

Here are my guesses:

Topic 1: Discuss why Kelly Clarkson has better teeth than Beonce Knowles.

Topic 2: Clothing of Paris Hilton.

Topic 3: The Hills vs. Beverly Hills 90210.

DB, Gwinnettian

March 24th, 2009
1:20 pm

“With so much about Obama fake”

You’re calling him fake? The lady who’s on record as having defrauded a school district?

Mrs. Godzilla

March 24th, 2009
1:21 pm

I love the idea!

In fact, I would like to see more specialization in high schools.

We have “schools of the arts” (my kids thrived in theirs) and technical schools…..

I believe the correct thing to say is ….Ooo Rah.

Midori

March 24th, 2009
1:24 pm

Caz,

fake as in the fake ranch that Bush unloaded after he was finished using up you like minded “patriots”?

CommunistAJC

March 24th, 2009
1:24 pm

Bookman, I was pondering your misfire of an attempt to convince me to thinking that Clayton County has or had smart students. One, you choose to throw at me, a mock-trial team, which is what, 5-10 people? So, how do those 5-10 kids represent the entire school system of Clayton County?

CommunistAJC

March 24th, 2009
1:25 pm

Mrs. Godzilla,
you are 100% correct on that. We do need more specialized schools.

Bosch

March 24th, 2009
1:32 pm

Copyleft, Midori, and Corporal,

Thanks. And thanks for the hug Midori. He’s been a good ol’ cat. I might have to actually sweep under the table now after a meal – he was always good at getting the crumbs. He always loved it when we made chicken, I’d always give him the skin.

Anywho –

I think this is a good idea. I agree with Mrs. G. that it doesn’t hurt to specialize schools – we see this in the charter school movement all the time, and I think it works well.

While me and my kids are public school born and raised, and my kids have done very well – and I’m married to a public school teacher, I don’t see a problem at all with charter schools or specialized schools as long as the instructors are properly trained to handle kids and know their subject matter, and are held to the same standards as regular teachers.

G

March 24th, 2009
1:33 pm

What’s up with Dick Cheney?

We’ve seen more of the Grim Reaper in the last month than in the 8 years he was in office.

The GOP is begging him to go back into hiding. They just don’t seem to want his input.

Susan Bergstrom

March 24th, 2009
1:44 pm

Reading the comments is the funniest thing I have read in quite some time. Seriously tho, this idea for a public military school is brilliant!

Mrs. Godzilla

March 24th, 2009
1:44 pm

Bosch

Are you in kitty mourning? I’m so sorry.

When I lost my Uzi, a 25 pound black domestic shorthair, I was miserable.

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 24th, 2009
1:45 pm

As I understand it, no one will be forced to go to this school (unless by their parents and I’m cool with that). It will probably benefit the majority of those who go there. So if you want to go there fine; if you don’t fine. Maybe this Michael Burke is just hunting an issue to get his name out there.

I agree we need more specialization in schools. Most schools are geared towards college prep. That isn’t necessarily a bad thing but how many people go to college and get a degree but never actually use that degree? I know many people whose vocation has nothing to do with their field of study. I also know people all across the economic spectrum. Some went to college and some didn’t.

fearless fosdick

March 24th, 2009
1:56 pm

Corporal; You remind me of the old soldiers who sit around at the Legion or the VFW who just can’t let the old times go! Always blathering on about I remember when, I remember this, I remember that….What I remember most is I just want to forget that time in my life…

By the way as an old rotary wing pilot I might have missed something that was going on with you grunts, but I never heard anybody say Oh rah!
Did I miss something?

Bosch

March 24th, 2009
1:58 pm

Mrs. G.,

Thanks for your well wishes, I’m not in mourning yet, but I will be soon. It’s funny how your kids react to things like this – my oldest son whose in college, I called him last night to tell him things didn’t look so good, and we talked for a minute, and then he said really quickly, “I’ve gotta go” I think he was getting choked up – we’ve had that cat since he was a little guy.

Redneck Convert

March 24th, 2009
1:58 pm

Well, all I got to say is if we had more Marine Corps high schools we wouldn’t have so many kids walking around with their pants down around their legs. And none of them would be fat as a hog. And Dick Cheney, God bless him, if he had of went to one would of been a better shot than hit a hunting partner in the face with a shotgun blast.

Bosch

March 24th, 2009
1:59 pm

Look! @ 1:44 – we made somebody laugh!

Midori

March 24th, 2009
2:01 pm

Redneck Convert,

i have to definitely agree with your 1:58.

I can’t stand seeing that disgusting “trend” of the sagging pants.

Bosch

March 24th, 2009
2:01 pm

Oh lord, why, oh, why did I drink a sip of Coke right before reading Redneck’s 1:58 post?

Joe

March 24th, 2009
2:02 pm

Commie,

I’ve not avoided any issues at any point in time. Ever.

I have, on the other hand, been rather busy at work. That’s both a good and a bad thing.

caz1158, you wrote: “Joe- Imagine a school teaching our kids to read & write, but also respect and honor!! Boy,what a disater that would be for far left.”

You obviously don’t know me and didn’t read the part of my post where I clearly stated that I’m “as Liberal as the day is long.” So your concept is clearly not a disaster to me.

Liberals support strong public education, and this will improve public education, which therefore means that we liberals should support it, in my opinion.

I’m not sure where you get the idea that liberals don’t believe in respect and honor, by the way. Must be another one of those silly myths that people like to spread but don’t take the time to realize that they neither hold truth nor stand up to a simple logic test.

Bosch

March 24th, 2009
2:04 pm

Midori,

I really don’t see how some can actually walk – really, what’s the point? Why not just skip the pants and wear your underwear?

My middle son tried that once, and I told him that the fashion trend was started from prisoners who were the “women” in the jail, if ya’ know what I mean. Didn’t have a problem with him after that.

Joe

March 24th, 2009
2:04 pm

But Midori, as a Liberal, you clearly don’t have any respect or honor, so why would sagging pants bother you?

Bosch

March 24th, 2009
2:07 pm

Joe,

“Must be another one of those silly myths that people like to spread but don’t take the time to realize that they neither hold truth nor stand up to a simple logic test”

Ya think? :-)

Oh lord, I hope you were busy working yesterday and didn’t read anything that Paul, Taxpayer, and I wrote about Battlestar. We didn’t put warnings up.

Bosch

March 24th, 2009
2:09 pm

Andy,

And I apologize to you too. I hope you are still enjoying the show.

D.A.

March 24th, 2009
2:09 pm

Always good to scare kids out of an undesirable action by telling them people will think you are gay, or say you are dressing like a gay person.

Awesome.

Jay

March 24th, 2009
2:13 pm

Commie, it’s more like 20 or 25 kids. Back to back national champions.

I don’t pretend to claim that they are representative of all Clayton students any more than I would claim that winning a national high school football championship means all Clayton students are great at football.

You suggested that Clayton and DeKalb students need discipline. Writing from Chicago, you apparently know enough about kids in those districts to make that kind of generalization, even to the point of dragging Clayton into the discussion when the story in question was about DeKalb.

I merely pointed out that your generalization is incorrect. I made no generalization in return.

Bosch

March 24th, 2009
2:13 pm

I’ll just bet that one didn’t go through the censor test.

D.A.,

No, it’s more like telling your kid they are dressing like a prison beyatch ho. Homosexuality has nothing to do with it.

Midori

March 24th, 2009
2:14 pm

Joe,

I heard that theory explained on the Michael Baisden radio show.

Signed,

a liberal who doesn’t have any respect or honor :)

but seriously folks — I can’t STAND THAT STUPID TREND!!!

It’s disrespectful, nasty looking, and as Bosch says — why not just wear underwear in lieu of pants since they are so determined to show it to us?

CommunistAJC

March 24th, 2009
2:23 pm

Jay, the difference in Clayton County schools and everyone else is everyone else is not losing their accreditation.

D.A.

March 24th, 2009
2:24 pm

so you were using the prison part?

Yet you were apparently hiding your own comments as you were not afraid to say prison but when it came to explaining what you meant by “women” in prison, then you scuttled around with a ya know what I mean.

Also if you are not trying to scare your son of homosexuals then is it women? Since obviously there is something you know I do not because I do not know what you mean.

Train your kid to do whatever you want.
I just thought it was going to be interesting to discuss using homosexuality as a means to attain desirable behavior from ones children. Since you made the statement then I thought I had found a parent who does use homosexuality against their child.

Sorry to upset you.

The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar

March 24th, 2009
2:25 pm

They will learn the Marine Rifle Creed, some off-color cadence calls, and how to blindly follow even the most corrupt and dangerous sociopaths into battle. Sir, yes sir!

All the while glorifying and justifying killing.

At least it’s better than a Christian program.

DB, Gwinnettian

March 24th, 2009
2:26 pm

“the old soldiers who sit around at the Legion or the VFW who just can’t let the old times go!”

Well, he could be worse. He could be a UGA alum. talk about obnoxious; talk about not letting the old times go…

(ducking and running)

D.A.

March 24th, 2009
2:27 pm

Midori,
It has no more impact on your life than anything else so why let it bother you.

You sound like the republicans you make fun of so much. People can do wear what they want without having to receive fashion advice from you.

@@

March 24th, 2009
2:29 pm

I dare say the Georgia Peace and Justice Coalition fears competition. After all, education is their little gated community.

Also jay, did your liberal contributors read the same WaPo piece I did? I saw a lot of praise for the mission in Iraq. I also saw criticism of an anti-war congress.

What —–>is<—– the real central front in the war on terror?

It depends on what the definition of “is” is.

When ‘ya milk a cow, the cream rises to the top where it can be skimmed off.

I find it odd that Kilcullen’s focus was on the Saudis, the Jordanians and the Syrians:

But one other factor here is external interference. What are the Iranians doing, what are the Saudis doing, what are the Jordanians and the Syrians doing? The Iraq part is not the problem, it’s the regional security part that is the problem

No mention of Turkey? Iran? Russia?

So tell us……if the central front “is” in Pakistan, why is Obama sending troops into Afghanistan?

Could ‘ya run down the hall and tell Jim Wooten his site is in lock down? He’s got a good article over there but no one can comment.

T

March 24th, 2009
2:30 pm

I love the idea.

fearless fosdick

March 24th, 2009
2:30 pm

DB, Gwinnettian .. Well then we’ll call it the double whammy because the corporal also claims to be an UGA grad!

Dusty

March 24th, 2009
2:32 pm

Marine-linked high school? I don’t understand how this works. Marines are a part of our military system. What is their link to our educational system? Will Marines teach? Will they handle discipline? More physical education? Uniforms?

I have always had great admiration for the Marine Corp. Seems they are the first to be sent to tough situations because they are the “toughest”. The American military is the finest in the world no matter what “part” is named.

There are expensive private schools designed with military leadership. The inpression I have had was that these are schools set up for children with various problems, mostly in the line of behavior or lack of parental guidance.

But a local high school with Marine-links? I really don’t understand the organization plan here.

Bosch

March 24th, 2009
2:32 pm

D.A.,

Oh, don’t worry, I’m not upset – especially over a non-issue like you are trying to make this out to be.

Is there a topic you would like to discuss in a logical thought out fashion or would you like to continue randomly putting ill-conceived concepts together in a feeble attempt at a slap at my parenting techniques?

Or would you just simply rather ask me a question? I’d be happy to answer any concerns you may have.

Davo

March 24th, 2009
2:34 pm

What a ringing endorsement of our education system. Now our kids can get ‘fast-tracked’ into military service. This is a bad idea, and what’s really funny is that Bookman wants you to think this is ‘ok with us liberals’. Just because one aspect of our govt doesn’t work in doing what its charged with doing, we’ll send in the troops to do the job. Simplistic and stupid approach. I wonder what the opinion would be if this type of idea was floated by say, George W?
Anything to remove personal responsibility seems to play well in this pancake house.

Joe

March 24th, 2009
2:40 pm

Dusty,

JROTC programs have existed for decades, both at public and private high schools across the country. The only difference here is that all of the students would be in JROTC, which is not a bad thing.

The impression that I get from the article is that it would be just like any other magnet school with the addtition of mandatory JROTC. JROTC would be one extra class. Not a big deal, really. The students would learn a little more American and world history and they’ll be taught leadership principles. Wearing the uniform will instill pride in themselves, their school, and their country. They’ll develop respect and discipline.

Overall, not a bad experience.

Joe

March 24th, 2009
2:43 pm

Davo,

Please provide evidence to support your (extremely faulty) argument.

Thanks in advance.

D.A.

March 24th, 2009
2:44 pm

No Bosch,
There is nothing I would like to discuss.

See this is a blog.
You made a comment about how you control your teen by comparing him to a prison homosexual.

I told you I thought that was awesome then you got sharp with the prison byotch comment.

I made my rebuttal.
Don’t be upset though that everyone now knows that in private you are a homophobe.

And you are correct sir, it is not an issue. Was only making a comment.

I forgot that some of us are just not good enough to make comments in your world Bosch.

by the way I was on an issue- there had been at least 4 comments about sagging before I ever chose to engage. There were even 3 comments before you decided to bring sexuality into the discussion.

Also note I never said anything derogatory about you, however you chose to call my attempts feeble with ill-concieved concepts.

Is that feeble in your opinion, or who decides if the concept is or is not ill-concieved? Is that your job again?

So not only a possible closet homophobe, but an elitist too.

Again sorry to have upset you.

Bosch

March 24th, 2009
2:46 pm

Davo,

And I wonder how you would have reacted say if Jim Wooten had wrote about it instead of Jay. Seriously, you need some therapy with your “I hate everything Jay Bookman posts, writes, or thinks.”

Davo

March 24th, 2009
2:47 pm

Sorry Joe. I’m not here to hold your hand; I just grade the pancakes.

Red

March 24th, 2009
2:49 pm

I wonder if little gay boys and girls will be welcome to attend this public school?

DB, Gwinnettian

March 24th, 2009
2:52 pm

“I wonder if little gay boys and girls will be welcome to attend this public school?”

How absurd. By the time they’re entering high school, they’re really not little any more.

Davo

March 24th, 2009
2:52 pm

JW? Well, lets just say that if he bothered to even pay attention to his ‘blog’ he would find that his pancakes suck as well. Got to hand it to him in one respect though; at least his opinions are his, and not clipped from somewhere on this ‘great, big internet.’

NOMAD

March 24th, 2009
2:52 pm

DB – That UGA remark was cold. Me thinks you are going to catch it for that one.

Bosch – very sorry to hear about your cat.

NOMAD

Dave R

March 24th, 2009
2:55 pm

Corp, your 12:15 about Marine “dentists” still has me laughing!

Joe

March 24th, 2009
2:55 pm

Davo,

So, your response is essentially, “Oh, snap! Someone actually called me out for being both unoriginal and full of fecal matter! Maybe if I resort to a personal attack, I’ll feel better about myself AND I’ll have the added benefit of not having to support my ludicrous claims…”

CommunistAJC

March 24th, 2009
2:55 pm

Red,
a gay high school was going to open up here in Chicago. Yeah, when word got out that taxpayers were going to fund it it never happened. If gays want to open up a private school then go ahead but taxpayers will not go for it.

Dave R

March 24th, 2009
2:56 pm

And DB, your remark about UGA grads would have been funnier if it weren’t so true!

CommunistAJC

March 24th, 2009
2:57 pm

Can someone answer a question for me?

Ok, what would be the point of a gay high school? I mean, a military style school provides discipline and hard work. But what of a gay high school. I just don’t understand the point of it.

ESR

March 24th, 2009
2:57 pm

As a DeKalb County tax payer this type school could potentially save me money on my property taxes if they’re allowed to bring their own gun from home. Stop picking on the students in Clayton County, where else can a kid with a 1.8 GPA be Class Valedictorian?

Red

March 24th, 2009
2:57 pm

Yes drowning vicitim, the water is wet and kind of cold.

CommunistAJC

March 24th, 2009
3:00 pm

DB, Gwinnettian,
not all UGA fans or grads are obnoxious. Just the ones who graduate with C’s and D’s. That’s because they focused on football rather than school. UGA has some wonderful programs.

Bosch

March 24th, 2009
3:00 pm

D.A.

Again, I am not upset at all, but it certainly appears you are.

When I have nothing to discuss, I usually don’t write a long diatribe describing how I have nothing to discuss.

Joe

March 24th, 2009
3:00 pm

Commie,

The point of a gay high school (BTW, I don’t support a publicly funded sort of thing) would be a place where gay kids can feel comfortable. The thing is this: If parents and administrators (well, society in general, but at least those two groups) were to change their attitude towards gay people, there would not be anyone asking for a gay high school because the gay kids would not be singled out and beaten (for example) because they are gay. But until parents raise tolerant kids and until teachers and admins do their jobs and curtail that and other forms of bullying, this will be a problem.

D.A.

March 24th, 2009
3:00 pm

DB,
Some 9th graders are little, especially the ones with late birthdays.
So does anyone know if the school will uphold the don’t ask don’t tell policy

CommunistAJC

March 24th, 2009
3:01 pm

ESR, you wrote: where else can a kid with a 1.8 GPA be Class Valedictorian?

LOLOLOLOL