Gloom, despair and agony on thee….

Scott Johnson, at the conservative blog Powerline, confesses to depression:

“I feel utterly powerless to do anything about the fellow in the Oval Office who combines infantile leftism and adolescent grandiosity in roughly equal measures. It seems to me that every day he is responsible for assaults on the freedom and well being of the American people. I can’t keep up and I can’t stand to pay attention.

His aim seems to be to reduce us to government dependents. His inattention to rehabilitation of the financial system in lieu of vastly expanding the size and scope of the government is a dead giveaway, as is his lack of concern over the vast destruction of wealth his policies are working (and will continue to work).

Perhaps most depressing to me is the manifestation of his adolescent grandiosity in his stewardship of foreign policy and national security. He doesn’t understand that the government of Iran is intent on acquiring nuclear weapons it can put to evil purposes. He thinks he can sweet-talk them out of achieving this objective….

I am depressed because the president of the United States is a fool who will immiserate us, render us wards of the state and lose us our life and liberty to those who understand what they are about.”

Many on the left certainly got to such a point of despair about President Bush. But for most it didn’t reach a crescendo until after the unnecessary invasion and hapless occupation of Iraq, after the callous incompetence of Katrina, after the use of torture became publicly known, after a whole string of problems. As a result, by late 2005 or 2006, you could find many examples of left-wing frustration of a depth similar to that expressed today by Johnson and other conservatives.

But that was several years into the Bush presidency, after a significant track record had been compiled. The right has attained abject despair less than 60 days into Obama’s 1,460-day first term. In fact, a video leaked from a backroom conservative strategy session documents just how bad things have gotten for our friends and fellow Americans:

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Cherokee

March 23rd, 2009
7:58 am

kitty

March 23rd, 2009
7:59 am

What a bunch of chicken little whiners the conservatives are. Their biggest reason for whining is they are not in power and able to ruin the country some more. Thank goodness.

TW

March 23rd, 2009
8:06 am

Wow. I believe Rush calls this a ’sickness.’

Bwa.

Ken

March 23rd, 2009
8:08 am

The middle class will be gone in the next 3 yrs and 9 months. We will be another third world country ; rich and poor. ( maybe that 13 dollars a week will make me rich, LOL )

G

March 23rd, 2009
8:12 am

Good one, Jay, but Taxpayer beat you to it over the weekend.

Brad Steel

March 23rd, 2009
8:12 am

The masses are wising up to inane pundit-babble like: “… infantile leftism and adolescent grandiosity in roughly equal measures. It seems to me that every day he is responsible for assaults on the freedom and well being of the American people.”

Other than the tired demand of tax cuts, the right is offering no solutions and manufacturing phony attacks. It’s not working and it is not helping. The right needs some new dogma…. something… anything. The boat is leaking.

How about doing something other than complaining and hoping for failure?

Mrs. Godzilla

March 23rd, 2009
8:14 am

How sad to have no hope!

Taxpayer

March 23rd, 2009
8:16 am

I love your choice of theme song. Hee! Hee Hee. Haw! Haw Hawwww. I used it to describe Sarah and her followers. The words just seemed to fit so well.

It is as though these conservatives (Republicans, et al) believe that we were on the right path all the way up to til inauguration and that everything was going along just fine and there was not a problem in sight. WOW! Did they all pull their collective heads out of that dark, dank place at the same time — all 25% of them.

Mike

March 23rd, 2009
8:16 am

I think one difference is that Bush’s plans at 60 days did not result in the CBO projecting budget deficits of $9.3 trillion over ten years. The truth is that at 60 days, there was nothing really controversial about Bush. Perhaps if he had announced his plans for the next eight years, liberals would have been concerned sooner. Of course, Jay would not have been calling liberals whiners, because only people who don’t share his narrow views are whiners. Liberals who gripe about conservatives are “speaking truth to power” because “dissent is patriotic”.

BTW: what exactly are Obama’s plans for New Orleans? Does his utter lack of attention to NO point to “callous” indifference or is this just that latest in Jay’s endless string of double standards.

Mike

March 23rd, 2009
8:21 am

Taxpayer -

Actually your 25% conservative # is as wrong as most of your assertions. The number is more like 34% conservative and 22% liberals:

“This year, 22 percent of voters said they are liberal on most political matters, 44 percent called themselves moderates, 34 percent conservatives”

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/2008/11/ideological_shift_or_just_comp.html

But hey, when do facts ever figure into your commentary?

G

March 23rd, 2009
8:28 am

The right continues to complain that President Obama is going too far left, while the left continues to complain that he is going too far right and isn’t far left enough.

As the saying goes, “All good things come in moderation.” President Obama never ran as a far left candidate, although that was a baseless accusation of the right, claiming he was the most liberal senator.

President Obama never promised to get the 8 year crisis solved in 60 days, yet the MSM is more or less expecting and demanding he do so, which explains the NYT hammering him, yet they gave Bush a pass and helped him spread his Iraq WMD lie. These pundits care about nothing more than ratings, and more importantly, their paychecks. Most of them do not speak for the average American citizen, yet people continue to fall for their BS time and time again.

Geithner’s plan may not be perfect, but who else out there has a better plan? I’ve not seen one plan from these Geithner critics that is better than his. All I’ve seen is the same finger pointing and baseless accusations that he’s a crook and needs to resign.

AmVet

March 23rd, 2009
8:29 am

Perhaps Obama will be the worst US President since…………..well…………….let’s see………………how about……………….oh yeah…….The Hero of the Texas ANG!

It seems exceptionally unlikely, but time will tell.

It is undeniable that the vast majority of the voters in this nation now have little, if any trust whatsoever that the duped Republiconneds are able to correctly evaluate ANYbody, ANY event or ANY policy, anywhere, anytime.

That they think this HeadRush-led primrose path — attacking all things non neo-con and offering no viable, even reasonable alternatives — is their road to salvation and the way to get them out of the hellacious mess they and they alone have gotten themselves in, is only great spectacle and comedy for the rest of us.

It is also irrefutable that they are roundly derided from coast to coast, which is a result of not just a dearth of basic competence (after the past eight years can anyone even argue this?) or an ability to grasp that new solutions are required for new problems or an amazing penchant to become ostriches in denial when things go bad, as they so often have for them, but of being ill-educated and ill-tempered fear mongers and chickenhawks.

Other than that, I like their chances in the upcoming years…

Sam

March 23rd, 2009
8:34 am

Open letter to Mr. Scott Johnson:

Do not despair Mr. Johnson. Hope springs eternal. America is at a precipice. No greater contrast to Obama’s collectivism than American individualism. It is actually a good thing that in America’s grand leftist experiment, the country elected the MOST liberal senator. As he promulgates his ambitious and nefarious agenda, the disastrous results will shake us back to our self-reliant core. It would have been alot tougher had the country elected a moderate Democrat ala Baucus, Bayh.

Everything is cyclical, let them enjoy the day, and as the economy sinks deeper into the abyss and this becomes Obama’s recession/depression, a new conservative (hopefully Independant/Libertarian) voice will emerge to lead us out of this morass.

BTW: all who are interested…”Brothers at War” and incredible film about the Iraq War involving 2 brothers in Iraq and a third brother who decides to film their experiences b/c none of the good news was being reported by the media—an incredible experience.

Mike

March 23rd, 2009
8:35 am

AmVet said:

“That they think this HeadRush-led primrose path — attacking all things non neo-con and offering no viable, even reasonable alternatives”

And this is different from the partisan mindset of liberals on this blog? Please spare us the hypocrisy.

Shawny

March 23rd, 2009
8:40 am

I would have to agree with this Scott Johnson. Lefties say they lost rights with Bush, righties are saying that they are loosing rights with Obama. I think both are right. Seems to be ripe for a Libertarian tea party.

Ray

March 23rd, 2009
8:43 am

This clown and his tax evading staff are in way over their heads. The campaign is over, Bozo. It’s time to govern.

williebkind

March 23rd, 2009
8:44 am

Obama lied! Obama lied! Obama lied!

LOLO

March 23rd, 2009
8:50 am

Bush’s first few months in office were not marred by staggering statist decisions of ballooning debt and economic micromanagement fueled by the hot winds of corporate-hating populism.

Instead, if you remember, Bush came into office bringing a great deal of bipartisianship by collaborating on his (terrible) education reform with Sen. Kennedy and company.

Based on Bush’s first few months in office, books were written describing him as one of the greatest bipartisian presidents ever. President Obama has further polarized the nation in his quest for creating government dependency by overriding the Consitution with the backing of Congress to extoll benefits ($13 and government-regulated & mandated stimulus funds) to the masses (mostly people who already don’t pay income tax).

To paraphrase a famous quote, “a government benefit once bestowed cannot eaily be removed.”

We’re going to have a hell of a time changing course should the current policies prove to fail us.

rightofcenter

March 23rd, 2009
8:50 am

Amvet, taking some wild drugs again this morning? Undeniable that a vast majority of the voters…..(uh, 52% constitutes vast majority? Nice math.) Attacking all things non neo-con….(please, do a little reading and learn the differences between neo-con and conservative). Irrefutable that they are roundly derided from coast to coast….(I guess since the late night talk shows originate on both coasts, that makes it irrefutable to you). Ill-educated and ill-tempered? Look in a mirror.

The Corporal

March 23rd, 2009
8:50 am

Jay: I know you love your country as I do. I respect your opinion but with your knowledge and intelligence I find it incredulous that you fail to see the forrest for the trees and that you almost never point out bad ideas, policies or actions in your own party/President.

I would vote for Bush again any day over Obama but I would still strongly voice my disagreement with him when I felt he was wrong.

In my opinion, that’s the main difference between just loving your country and loving it enough to save it.

I fear there will come a day when you will have to eat your words.

Eddy

March 23rd, 2009
8:53 am

What do the teleprompter say about all of this? Without a script, O just steps in it over and over again….hello….brain to mouth…is anyone there….did I hear an echo?

G

March 23rd, 2009
8:53 am

Could all this have been avoided if we’d given Raygun the Oscar for Kings Row?

I guess we’ll never know.

Your moment of Zen.

You’re welcome.

@@

March 23rd, 2009
8:56 am

Oh puhleeze, jay. My hope is in the American people and a handful of blue dog Democrats to hold back the incompetent Obama surge.

Yes we can and will!!!!!!!

Obama is in over his head. It’s becoming more obvious with each passing day.

Those words that he so valued, are gonna do him in.

G

March 23rd, 2009
8:59 am

To Whom It May Concern:

The previous “president” took more vacations than any other president in history. During a time of a war of choice, no less.

Unlike our previous “president”, our current President is one hell of a multi-tasker and burning the candle at both ends.

Get an inflatable teleprompter to keep you and your fantasies company.

Mrs. Godzilla

March 23rd, 2009
9:01 am

Here’s a piece from the website of the great orange satan….

“Geithner’s plans may be already working”

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/3/22/711527/-Geithners-plans-may-be-already-working

Highlights…..

…With that said, here is some recent good news on the economy that indicates the economy may be improving.

(1) A surprising 22% surge in February housing starts to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 583,000 units.

(2) A back-to-back jump in retail sales ex autos, in both January and February.

(3) A return to profitability at several major banks, including Citigroup, Bank of America and JPMorgan.

(4) A doubling in the obscure but important Baltic Dry Index, a key indicator of global trade flows.

(5) An upwardly sloping yield curve, which Fed research suggests all but ensures a rebound by year-end. (link)

(6) A Housing Affordability Index that has hit an all-time high.

(7) A two-month improvement in wholesale used-car prices, measured by the Manheim Index. (link)

(8) A rise in Monster’s Employment Index in February, suggesting a turn in the job market may be around the corner.

(9) A sharp increase in the money supply, as measured by M2 and M1. Weekly M2 growth has averaged 10.1% year-over-year since the start of 2009, while M1 has grown at a 14.6% rate. link

(10) A two-month rally in the Index of Leading Indicators.

(11) Airline traffic is better than expected.(link)

(12) Consumer confidence is ticking up. (link)

AmVet

March 23rd, 2009
9:04 am

Did I hear a prolonged howl from a couple of the lost and very troubled hound dogs trying to find their way home?

I thought I heard something in great distress.

Oh well…

I recently saw where the neo-conned faithful were gnashing their gums violently about The Uppity One being on Leno, etc…?

It’s always difficult to understand the emotionally deranged, but I gather the thinking was that he should have been busy 24/7 on fixing the multiple clusterf&cks left to him and us.

No time off for you, Uppity One! And no soup for a month!

Yet BotchCo set all sorts of records by taking extended vacations early and often in his less-than-stellar career. (One of my favorite pictures is of him and his dad catching a bass while floating in the flooded streets of NO and the caption reading, “How I spent my vacation”.)

That The War Time President did not work either smart OR hard was, of course, of no concern to these fake conservative lapdogs and shuckers and grinners on the far right-wing.

Emasculated and irrelevant – The New Republican Party.

Cherokee

March 23rd, 2009
9:06 am

Thansk Mrs. G

Paul

March 23rd, 2009
9:06 am

Jay

Interesting article providing insight on a point of view that seems to be (after I’d read a bit about Powerline) more prevalent than I’d expected. Some are going to view your Hee Haw clip not in the spirit of the song, but an attempt to caricature conservatives. Then I realized what it really showed – given the breaks where the cast talks to the music – Rap music has its genesis in Hee Haw. Wow. Strange cultural alliance, that.

I wondered if Scott Johnson was one of these 25-year-old whiz kids with lots of poli sci theory and little practical experience. He’s not – but I suppose ideological fervor doesn’t dim with age. What’s amazing, also, is how much of his rhetoric sounds so much of what the Left said about Pres Bush.

“he is responsible for assaults on the freedom and well being of the American people.” Well, he left out the jackboot and dictator references, but it’s the same idea. Disagree with my political philosophy and you’re assaulting freedom. That’s weak, and I’d ask, just how does the economic meltdown and trillions in lost wealth relate to ‘well being’? This morning we heard about the plan involving private investors in the toxic asset program. I’ll wager that after all the talk about ‘loss of freedom” and ‘gov’t takeover’ and ‘let the markets work’ that when the Administration talks of having private investors come forth… the critics will still complain. No gov’t intervention. No private involvement. What do they want?

[[His inattention to rehabilitation of the financial system in lieu of vastly expanding the size and scope of the government is a dead giveaway, as is his lack of concern over the vast destruction of wealth his policies are working]]

I guess ‘rehab’ counts only if it’s the rehab technique you want. Personally, I’d say using gov’t to enact laws and regulations to prevent people from doing what no laws were in place to prevent is a good start. And he’s being thoughtful – just this morning I read Pres Obama opposes the House bill on bonus taxation. Take that! Spkr Pelosi and most House Democrats and Republicans!

As far as ‘his policies causing destruction of wealth’ – haven’t heard any alternatives on what to do that weren’t essentially modifications of Pres Obama’s original proposals.

My favorite quote from Dreamland, though, was “He doesn’t understand that the government of Iran is intent on acquiring nuclear weapons it can put to evil purposes. He thinks he can sweet-talk them out of achieving this objective….”

Maybe Johnson’s more of a Rip Van Winkle, sleeping through the years then coming awake. Did he not listen to repeated pronouncements by Pres Obama and the other candidate who’s now SecState regarding ‘the unacceptability’ of Iran’s nuclear pursuits, the fact they would both do ‘anything’ to keep Iran from obtaining nukes and the myriad other pronouncements that ‘a nuclear Iran would be the greatest threat to…”?

Why I liked it so much is, how similar his reaction to these statements is to what we hear from so many on the FarLeft – ignore it, discount it, deny it – but never, ever consider the implications of taking the President at his word.

Mrs. Godzilla

March 23rd, 2009
9:09 am

There’s no place like home…..

From Think Progress:

On Friday, “[t]wo dozen black lawmakers angrily stalked out of the Georgia House…amid assertions that a decision by white Republican leaders to delay passage of a resolution honoring President Obama had racist overtones.” Republican lawmakers objected to the resolution’s wording which said Obama has an “unimpeachable reputation for integrity, vision and passion for public service.”

Lovely.

The Corporal

March 23rd, 2009
9:12 am

HEADLINE: ‘Are You Punch-Drunk?’
‘60 Minutes’ reporter presses Obama for laughing, smiling while discussing ailing economy …

I feel sorry for this reporter. His career is done …….

Mrs. Godzilla

March 23rd, 2009
9:15 am

From Steve Benen at Washington Monthly:

HE’S NOT ‘PUNCH DRUNK’…. For a while, the lead story from Politico last night was the idea that President Obama chuckled a little too much during his interview with Steve Kroft ….

But then I saw the interview and realized the Politico’s piece didn’t exactly capture the context……

About half-way through, Kroft brings up aid to the auto industry, and public opposition to additional government investment. The two share a laugh at the one-sided polling numbers, which led to Kroft’s question about “laughing.” As Steve M. explained, “[I]t’s obvious — the chuckling is mutual as they agree about the extraordinary unpopularity of bailing out the auto industry.”

When you see reports today about the president laughing at economic hardship, keep this in mind.

Read it here:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_03/017402.php

Fact Checker

March 23rd, 2009
9:16 am

Obama met AmVet and that is when Obama decided to make vets pay for their own coverage. Obama hates the miliatry and loves that crazy nutjub in Iran. Obama wants gov’t involved in every aspect of my life. No thanks. Obama should stick to making fun of retards.

P.S. Do you think that Obama uses the teleprompter when he talks dirty to his wife?

Joey

March 23rd, 2009
9:17 am

Scott Johnson speaks for all Conservatives?
And Jay Bookman speaks for all Progressives and Liberals?

Jay initiated his Bush is bad articles during the 2000 campaign, before the Republican Convention. He increased the attacks on Bush immediately after the Conventiona and ratcheted them up after the 2000 election. He slowed slightly after 9/11/01, but reignited the fullblown Bush Derangement attacks as soon as he was able.

Now 4.5 months after the 2008 election Jay has almost ended his war against Bush. Almost. But like today’s post, he is quick to inject Bush or Cheney into the mix when he needs a diversion.

Paul

March 23rd, 2009
9:20 am

Fact Checker

[[. Obama hates the military]]

Pres Obama’s head of Veteran’s Affairs is General Eric Shinseki (USA-ret). He was present at the discussions and briefings regarding the fiasco on ’saving’ half a billion by having vets and their insurance companies pay for service-related injury rehab.

Given it’s staff, not the president, who come up with the details of “how to make it happen,” are you saying Gen Shinseki hates the military?

Taxpayer

March 23rd, 2009
9:24 am

Fact Checker

March 23rd, 2009
9:26 am

So, Obama has nothing to do with the policies that he and his administration propose. Lemme guess it is Bush’s fault that Obama hates the military. Right?

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

March 23rd, 2009
9:26 am

Jay, Jay, Jay, guess I gotta wet nurse you through the process once more.

You see, with President Bush, a truly great American, he mad some decisions that did not go well, but he had a process. He reviewed facts and acted courageously in line with his stated principals. Sure there were things like Rummy’s strategery in Iraq that could have been done differently and better, bu we had a professional quality guy making profession decesions. Like it or not everyone, apart from Jesus, is wriong at one point our another.

Now when it comes to President Obama, we have a guy who is disorganized, runs a poor process, and most of all, does not appear to be too bright. Which see, today’s AJC headline – which confirms that PRESIDENT OBAMA was FOR Barney Franks confiscatory, targeted tax BEFORE HE WAS AGAINST IT. We have an administration who thinks nothing of demonsizing private citizens (which see Limbaugh & AIG professionals) who disagree with them. We have an AIG bailout that is dependant on the value of the AIG companies and President Obama runs down the vaklue of AIG practically every time he opens his trap. When have an adminsitration that is half composed of tax cheats – primarily because the other half couldn’t get confirmed. We have a porkulus package and bloated budget proferred by President Obama that even the Congressional Budeting Office says will permanetly destabilize our country. And on and on, all in 60 days.

In short there is a difference between a thoughtful and reasoned man (President Bush) who gathers the best available information and makes a develops a few strategies that don’t turn out well or might have revised sooner, and an incompetent crackpot who doesn’t appear to be very bright – President Obama.

PS – Scotty is another proud wearer of the Green from ol’ Wyld Byll’s beloved Dahtmouth.

The Corporal

March 23rd, 2009
9:27 am

“Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others.”

Ayn Rand

Truth

March 23rd, 2009
9:28 am

Katrina??? Give me a break!

getalife

March 23rd, 2009
9:32 am

Triple digit gains in the Dow today.

Economy saved.

Thank you President Obama.

Fact Checker

March 23rd, 2009
9:34 am

If Obama cames off less than smart it is becuase the teleprompter tell him stupid things to say. What that teleprompter did to Obama on The Tonight Show is unforgiveable.

bdatlanta

March 23rd, 2009
9:35 am

Same thing after vlinton won. They wig out and before you know it they’re blowing up abortion clinics.

Middle East terrorists got nothing on right wing conservative terrorists.

Davo

March 23rd, 2009
9:40 am

I guess re-hashing Bush administration failures and poking fun at rednecks is the only requirement Bookman uses to fabricate his blog. Well, good luck with that. In the coming years when this whole bailout nonsense blows up in our face your gonna need something more than Bush-bashing, sycophantic Obama worship and pilfered Youtube videos to explain yourself.

The Corporal

March 23rd, 2009
9:40 am

Since we’re talking about HEE HAW here, I can’t wait until January 20, 2013 …..

“…. and Pfft you were gone!”

Disgusted

March 23rd, 2009
9:44 am

Dang! The stock market’s going through the roof. As a loyal Republican, I’d rather see the entire national economy go into the tank than to see Obama get credit for anything.

Mrs. Godzilla

March 23rd, 2009
9:44 am

“The Last Person On Earth To Turn To Now Is Ayn Rand”

Article here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-last-person-on-earth_b_173535.html

Highlights:

Rand’s extremism is often indistinguishable from parody. In an episode of The Simpsons, baby Maggie is despatched to the Ayn Rand School For Tots, motto: Crying is Futile. The headmistress explains that babies are not allowed bottles because “When a baby reaches for a bottle, she is saying ‘I am a leech!’ Our aim here is to develop the bottle within.” But is this more comic than the actual decision of the Ayn Rand Institute to picket Bill Clinton’s summit discussing how to increase volunteerism in the United States, on the grounds that unpaid voluntary work is an “unforgivable act of altruism”? Is it more ludicrous than that fact that when Rand died in 1982, her body was laid out beside a six-foot tall floral arrangement in the shape of a dollar sign?

AmVet

March 23rd, 2009
9:45 am

Joey, did you watch GWB campaign in 2000?

OMG, what a train wreck.

Clearly he was in WAY, WAY, WAY over his head! And yet the ultra-gullible elected him! Twice! (Maybe god told them to do it.)

But the good news is the empirical evidence is obvious that not only did a huge number ultimately regret their choice, they’ve sworn off the entire repudiated fake conservative, neo-con ideology.

And unless and until an actual, real conservative movement rises from the flames of the Republiconned GOP, they are once again looking at becoming the minority party for another forty year stretch.

Take it to the bank, the Credibility-free Party of Dixie’s enormous problems are only going to get worse. Likely much worse.

To wit, Wyld Byll Hytlyr writes, “You see, with President Bush, a truly great American, he mad [sic} some decisions that did not go well, but he had a process. He reviewed facts…”.

And then summarily dismissed them if they didn’t dovetail with what he had already decided. (Being the Decider and all.)

And “DID NOT GO WELL”????????????

Yeah, I guess that’s one way to look at it. If you’re an ostrich.

And yet you fools keep giving lip service to the unmitigated disasters called Bush/Cheney.

Paul, I was thinking the same thing. Apparently only never-served, never-will neo-cons do not hate the military.

Maroons…

OK, duty calls. Off to pay for more corporate welfare. And the occupation. And you free loaders.

Pray for rain…

Mike

March 23rd, 2009
9:46 am

Mrs. Godzilla –

Thanks for the good news. We need it!

G

March 23rd, 2009
9:47 am

Re: President Obama’s 60 Minutes interview:

Here’s what I know. I’m so freaking glad that President Obama has decided to be everywhere from Leno to 60 minutes to town halls. He has carved out a plan to speak for himself. Lord knows, if he didn’t the MSM would be more than happy to speak for him.

I don’t agree with everything President Obama says or does, but I’ll tell you one thing, I had a crash course in the last 8 years that taught me just how bad it can get.
I still pinch myself every time I listen to President Obama’s intelligent discourse.

And I would be willing to bet, despite so many attempts to bring him down in his first 60 days, that he would win by a greater margin today than he did on November 4th. It’s a pretty safe bet.

Jay

March 23rd, 2009
9:49 am

Joey, you are inventing facts out of thin air to support your thesis.

Prior to, during and after the 2000 elections, I had left the editorial board and was writing science and technology pieces for the AJC.

I did not return to the edit board and column writing until after Sept. 11, and did so because the editors thought I could be more useful there. So your claim about what I had been writing about Bush in that time frame is purely in your imagination.

The Corporal

March 23rd, 2009
9:49 am

OFF TOPIC:

We need to bring back the old Atlanta P.D. “stake-out” squads from the 1970’s and these convenience store murders will stop. You walk in to rob the clerk with your gun out, he ducks and you die. Case closed cleared.

Midori

March 23rd, 2009
9:51 am

Mrs. G,

thanks for that Washington Monthly link.

I noticed the usual suspects kept posting and crowing about that Politico story last night (you know who they are).

Well I watched the interview, and it was completely devoid of animosity, disrespect, etc. on both parties parts.

Some people grasp so hard at absolutely nothing — it really makes one question just what the true motives are.

Paul

March 23rd, 2009
9:51 am

Taxpayer 9:24

May be true for 2009, but the difficulty is for the outyears, when the budgets are clearly Pres Obama’s (one can argue the lingering effects of Pres Bush’s policies for a while, but at some point they become Obama’s – and he’s projected for a decade out with horrendous deficits, even using rosy (unrealistic?) factors.

More from CBO:

“The national debt held by the public would double over the next decade if President Barack Obama’s budget is enacted into law, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office projected Friday.

The U.S. government would run budget deficits approaching $1 trillion every year for a decade under Obama’s budget, the CBO said.

Deficits and debt that big are unsustainable over the long term, economists agree. They’d threaten to send inflation spiraling upward, threaten the nation’s creditworthiness and the value of the dollar — China’s prime minister publicly voiced concern about the safety of U.S. debt last week — and force up interest rates, as investors come to see the United States as a risky, debt-ridden economy. They’d saddle future generations with a debt payable only by cutting federal spending or raising taxes sharply.

With the U.S. mired in what appears to be the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, these deficit projections are likely to force Congress to rethink Obama’s $3.55 trillion budget for fiscal 2010.

“The reality is we are going to have to make adjustments to the president’s budget if we want to keep the deficit on a downward trajectory,” said Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, D-N.D.”

Note the last comment was from the Democratic chair of the Senate Budget Committee.

Fact Checker 9:26

My point was that the one example that readily comes to mind (vet insurance payment proposal) to support “Obama hates the military” likely had the details submitted by General Shinseki. So to have a proposal from a former Army chief of staff (highest military guy in the Army) to support the idea of ‘hates the military’ strikes me as pretty interesting.

‘Nuther subject: all the spending and associated deficits for such things as health care reform, education and alternate energy (so we can, some years down the road extricate ourselves from dependence on Middle East oil) are all things Pres Obama said, during the campaign, that he would do. This is not a surprise. This is not a “whoa, where’d this idea come from?” situation. He said he’d do it, he’s doing it.

Maybe that’s the surprise!

:-)

AmVet

March 23rd, 2009
9:52 am

JB, at 9:49, I KNEW that was coming!

Just another in a growing list of right-wingers who try to speak for the moderator and then get summarily exposed as talking out of their much-oversized hats.

Imagine that…

Mrs. Godzilla

March 23rd, 2009
9:54 am

Midori

When nothing is all they got….that’s all they can use.

I thought Telly the Teleprompter’s talk at our last O of O meeting about a previous Pres (who he was too polite to mention by name) who had to have his staff type out his comments and spell words phonetically
was great!

mm

March 23rd, 2009
9:55 am

Jay,

Rightwing America haters remind me of a child at the toy store with his Mother. The kid finds a toy and asks his Mom to buy it. When told “No”, the kid lays on the floor and pitches a fit, yelling and flailing his arms and legs. Like the good Mother would do, the democrats and their supporters ignore the wingnuts and go about their business.

Midori

March 23rd, 2009
9:58 am

ROFL, Mrs. G — that Telly is a gifted one, isn’t he? :lol:

The Corporal

March 23rd, 2009
9:59 am

Mrs. G.

O.K. How about these :

1) “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.” Alexander Tyler

2) “A planned (socialist) economy may be accompanied by the complete enslavement of the individual. How is it possible in view of the far-reaching centralization of political and economic power, to prevent bureaucracy from becoming all powerful and overweening? How can the rights of the individual be protected?” Albert Einstein

3) “The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”

“My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.”

And oh yes, “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”

Thomas Jefferson

Taxpayer

March 23rd, 2009
10:00 am

Thanks Jay. Now, every time I read one of the gloom and doom end times conservative Republican’s pathetic prophetic prophylactic proclamations, I’ll rightfully chuckle at their moans of agony and despair before offering another placebo to ease their angst — or not. They’re so entertaining. Why ruin a good thing.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

March 23rd, 2009
10:01 am

There is not much to be said about a person, any person, who callously mocks the mentally disabled. 2012 – Win it back for Trig.

I Report/ You Whine

March 23rd, 2009
10:01 am

The whole entire premise of liberal socialism is based on an infantile dependency on government and doom and gloom, capitalists are greedy, can’t be trusted and must be regulated by government, the American people are too stupid to know how to responsibly spend their own money, business will destroy the environment if nanny state government does not lord over them.

And you are faulting Johnson for pointing out the things that you have made so perfectly clear?

It is true what they say, the more that people know about liberalism the more they become Conservative.

Perhaps this is why you are whining too, Bookman?

getalife

March 23rd, 2009
10:02 am

Recession is over so lets turn our attention to the war.

“The new U.S. policy for Afghanistan to be unveiled soon will contain an exit strategy and include greater emphasis on economic development, President Barack Obama said.”

It will be over too.

Joey

March 23rd, 2009
10:02 am

Yes, mm. I can see clearly, all over this blog, that you, Jay and all the other Democrats and their supporters are ignoring Conservatives and going on about your business. Ben doing so for years now.

Maybe if you and Jay were able to ignore Conservatives for a day or two, you could catch a glimpse of what Democrats are doing to you.

The Corporal

March 23rd, 2009
10:02 am

To mm:

LOL not because you were funny but because you have it so backwards!

Here’s the true analogy I have used on here often:

Democrat: The kid wants the toy. Mom & Dad say no. He pitches a fit. They let him disrupt everyone around them and then finally give him the toy.

Republican: The kid wants the toy. Mom & Dad say no. He pitches a fit. They take him outside and give him a good spanking. He comes back in and behaves himself.

Good grief …………..

G

March 23rd, 2009
10:02 am

Did anyone with a brain see Dateline last night?

If You Had A Pulse, We Gave You A Loan – Inside The Fiasco That Led To The Mortgage Mess And Countrywide’s Collapse.

This was the first in a 3 part series.

Sorry sons of beyotches. They all ought to rot in jail.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29827248/

Paul

March 23rd, 2009
10:02 am

Midori

Personally, I kinda like a Pres with a sense of humor. The previous pres had one, this one has it on display more often. I think that goes hand in hand with his “return and report” and “accountability” philosophy – get out to the people in a lot of different venues (not just White House press conferences).

And he has said, quite clearly, what the stakes are. He strikes me as most unusually refreshing in that he would rather get in place what he thinks needs to get in place, even if it means forfeiting a second term, than not doing what he thinks needs doing just so he can have a second term.

G

March 23rd, 2009
10:08 am

Joey, did you go to the same schools Bush went to?

Taxpayer

March 23rd, 2009
10:09 am

Paul,

Just remember to be fair with your critique in those “outyears”. After all, if Obama were to get rid of Bush’s tax cuts, then he’s doing precisely what Bush had planned to do all along (per those CBO projections) in order to pay for his largess for the wealthy. Now, on top of all that, Obama has to also figure out how to account for the true cost of wars without hiding them in secondary budgets as Bush did, and the cost of fixing the economic mess wrought on us by the Republican’s implementation of more things rankly Rand, etc. Of course, that’s only if you want to deal with documented facts.

I Report/ You Whine

March 23rd, 2009
10:10 am

The Wall Street Journal reports that it now costs seven times as much to buy insurance against an American government default as it did only a year ago.

The socialists are on a mission to wipe us out.

That ain’t whining either, it’s just a plain old simple fact.

Truth

March 23rd, 2009
10:11 am

Taxpayer… “pathetic prophetic prophylactic proclamations” I would love to hear Barnette Frank try to say that. You have to admit it would be funny!

Taxpayer

March 23rd, 2009
10:11 am

Wow! I like this president. I am still happy that I voted for President Obama. Keep up the good work.

The Corporal

March 23rd, 2009
10:17 am

Wow! I don’t like this president. I am still happy that I voted for Presidential Candidate McCain. Keep ruining our country.

P.S. You copied my joke the other night ……..

Dusty

March 23rd, 2009
10:18 am

So Jay Bookman is still embedded in his anti-war, anti-Bush claptrap. He repeats the repugnant usual insults:”unnecessary invasion and hapless occupation of Iraq, the callous incompetence of Katrina, use of torture”….the same ol’ crybaby siren song of old. Will he ever grow up into fair intelligent thinking? Does not seem like it.

Bookman wanted America to sit still, wait on terrorism to strike from an untouched Middle East (no “invasion”). Now he is safe but loving a president who leads us into the world’s biggest financial fall. What an open mind!! What a journalist(?)! What a fool to use a creepy silly video to try and make his invalid point.

Meanwhile the liberal sycophants scrape the barrel to find a few complimentary lines about Obama. Others brag that they too are just as disconnected as Bookman. They don’t care about the falling economy so much as shining sunshine on Obama, who needs all the help he can get.

What a waste of time here. Lberals will be patting each other on the back while the country struggles. But libs are concerned with BUSH and the ever jealous hate for Cheney and the envy of Palin who has more experience in her little finger than Obama. There’ll be a few “bleeps” from AmVet and Harris What a blog! What a disgrace! Pass the poison patois, libs!

Observer

March 23rd, 2009
10:19 am

G @ 9:47 writes, “I don’t agree with everything President Obama says or does”

I would love to know what you disagree with because, based upon the content of your blog posts, you are on the brink of sexual ecstasy every time you hear Obama speak.

Mrs. Godzilla

March 23rd, 2009
10:20 am

James:

How about these:

“The entire economy of the Western world is built on things that cause cancer.”
From the movie Bliss

“My dog is worried about the economy because Alpo is up to 99 cents a can. That’s almost $7.00 in dog money.”
Joe Weinstein

“Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it’s just the opposite.”
John Kenneth Galbraith

“The intermediate stage between socialism and capitalism is alcoholism.”
Norman Brenner

“Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone”
John Maynard Keynes

“We have among us a class of mammon worshippers, whose one test of conservatism or radicalism is the attitude one takes with respect to accumulated wealth. Whatever tends to preserve the wealth of the wealthy is called conservatism, and whatever favors anything else, no matter what is called socialism.”
Richard T. Ely

“Capitalism tries for a delicate balance: It attempts to work things out so that everyone gets just enough stuff to keep them from getting violent and trying to take other people’s stuff.”

George Carlin

Midori

March 23rd, 2009
10:20 am

as someone with a mighty healthy sense of humor of her own, I completely agree with you Paul.

Taxpayer

March 23rd, 2009
10:22 am

Bush got us pretty far along that slope to total wipeout. So, maybe Obama should just let things progress the rest of the way and give these conservatives (Republicans) what they want. Then again, after seeing first-hand, the destruction that would be left from such inaction, these conservatives (Republicans) would simply change their tune, again, to fit the moment and moan about what the Democrats did with their terrible policies. Entertainment from the conservatives (Republicans) on here today is just so abundant that I’m going to have to save some of my laughter to enjoy later. I can’t keep up with it all.

I Report/ You Whine

March 23rd, 2009
10:22 am

You liberals are klowns-

The Public-Private Investment Program will purchase real-estate related loans from banks and securities from the broader markets. Banks will have the ability to sell pools of loans to dedicated funds, and investors will compete to have the ability to participate in those funds and take advantage of the financing provided by the government.-OneTerm’sTreasurySec

You whine and moan about reckless mortgage lending and then you turn right around and guarantee the very same bad loans.

Gosh, let’s see here, the banks now know that they can write all sorts of worthless paper and when it becomes worthless, hand it over to the American TaxPayer.

Gee, I wonder why the stock market is up.

There is lots of money to be stolen.

I Report/ You Whine

March 23rd, 2009
10:28 am

But the Geithner scheme would offer a one-way bet: if asset values go up, the investors profit, but if they go down, the investors can walk away from their debt. So this isn’t really about letting markets work. It’s just an indirect, disguised way to subsidize purchases of bad assets.-Paul Krugman

The libs are reinflating the housing bubble.

getalife

March 23rd, 2009
10:29 am

Wall Street is reacting positively to the last piece of the puzzle.

The dreaded toxic asset plan. This is great news, the banks will lend again and no more bailouts.

GM will probably go bankrupt and the too big to fail companies will be broken up to manage better.

Regulations will be installed by the Treasury because Congress can’t be trusted due to being bought and paid for by the bailed out institutions.

Paul

March 23rd, 2009
10:33 am

Taxpayer 10:09

Okay, seriously – those outyear projections from ANY administration are usually wildly divergent from what actually happens. Fed gov’t seems to spend a lot of time and money generating such stuff – keeps bureaucrats gainfully employed, though.

I do congratulate him for bringing more off-budget stuff on-budget. Just wait till he include Medicare/SS – people are really going to go nuts. But you know what? The costs are already there – off budget, on budget, acknowledged, not acknowledged – one could argue that the costs in that case are not ‘increases’ – just honest acknowledgment. And there the challenge will be his own party in the House and Senate. Nothing’s ever simple.

Oh, your last sentence – I took ‘you’ as the generic ‘you’ addressed to the reading audience. I think you know I’m a mild fan of ‘documented facts.’

The Corporal

March 23rd, 2009
10:33 am

To Mrs. G.:

Some of those are cute. The “Hollywood/entertainment crowd” ones you can throw out. I tend to put quotes from our founding fathers ahead of circus performers but that is up to you.

I am a capitalist. I assume from your chosen quotes and therefore who “you” admire that you are a socialist or worse ??

The Corporal

March 23rd, 2009
10:34 am

P.S.

Off to “patrol” ……..

Taxpayer

March 23rd, 2009
10:40 am

Did I mention that I think that Einstein was a very intelligent person. I have noticed that others must also appreciate his intellect given their use of some of his quotes and beliefs and math.

Einstein rejected the concept of a personal God and religion based on fear and “the social and moral conception of God.” He came under concerted attack from religious leaders and believers for his comments on these matters to a scientific conference in 1940. He was told that he “does not know what he is talking about. He is all wrong.” “Full of jellybeans … he is giving the religious bigots, especially the followers of Hitler and the Ku Klux Klan, fuel for fanatical fires.” “Nothing has been so calculated to make people think Hitler had some reason to expel Jews from Germany as your statement.”

The founder of the Calvary Tabernacle Association wrote: “Professor Einstein, every Christian in America will immediately reply to you, ‘Take your crazy, fallacious theory of evolution and go back to Germany where you come from’!”

It’s interesting to read these assessments now when a common theistic response to Einstein is to attempt to claim him as “on their side.”

Mrs. Godzilla

March 23rd, 2009
10:43 am

James

Hollywood types are Americans too, so I wouldn’t just toss out their opinions. That would be prejudiced.

Glad you like the founding fathers, me too and the founding mothers as well. I didn’t quote any circus performers, but it gives your copy some pizzazz.

And again, you assume incorrectly, I am a capitalist. I have a capitalist house in a capitalist subdivision with capitalist pool and tennis club.

We take capitalist vacations, paid for with our capitalist income and capitalist frequent flyer miles and capitalist hotel points.

I shop at capitalist retail outlets for capitalist food and clothing.

I bought capitalist girl scout cookies…..

Capitalism can be a very good thing, it must just be regulated.

Rush Limbaugh for President

March 23rd, 2009
10:44 am

Well let me say I have never seen better whining than just provided by Scott Johnson. And he also provides some really good made up accusations without expanations to support his contentions.

Please pray tell, what assults on our freedoms have you witnessed?
Do you feel more dependent on the Govenment? I sure don’t.
Bush being unable to do more than one thing at a time is now called focus. Excellent! Addressing more than one issue at a time is now called unfocused.
Diplomacy is evil…. Goes with Axis of Evil… Oh that really worked too.

Scott do you feel like a ward of the State? I don’t and I don’t know anyone who does.

I see our friend I Report/ You Whine has weighed in with another brillant insight,”the Socialist are on a mission to wipe us out.” Who is us and who do you know that is a socialist? I don’t think you even know the definition of Socialist.

This is just more hyperbole from the simple minded folks who think every issue is as simple as black and white(you are either for us or againist us) see a boogyman behind every tree and have no interest in looking at both sides of an issue. That’s why they listen to my show every day. Keep it up folks. There are only 20m of us now but before you know it we’ll dumb down the whole country.

The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar

March 23rd, 2009
10:58 am

My how the RightWingnutters whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine.

Grow a pair, whydontcha?

Brian

March 23rd, 2009
11:05 am

Kind of like calling the kettle black Jay. So what if the conservatives are whining about Obama? They’re just doing what all you lefties have done for the past 8 years and continue to do. Do you feel the need to try and repudiate their whines simply because there may be some validity to them?

Mrs. Godzilla

March 23rd, 2009
11:06 am

WHO YOU CALLIN’ A SOCIALIST?

Harold Myerson, New York Post

” But in the United States, conservatives have never bashed socialism because its specter was actually stalking America. Rather, they’ve wielded the cudgel against such progressive reforms as free universal education, the minimum wage or tighter financial regulations. Their signal success is to have kept the United States free from the taint of universal health care. The result: We have the world’s highest health-care costs, borne by businesses and employees that cannot afford them; nearly 50 million Americans have no coverage; infant mortality rates are higher than those in 41 nations – but at least (phew!) we don’t have socialized medicine.”

Read the whole article here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/03/AR2009030303207.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Redneck Convert

March 23rd, 2009
11:07 am

Well, I think the librul Democrats are leading us down the path to Socialism. I had a Vision that said that. The Vision said that people like the godly Sens. Craig and Vitter were put here to Test Our Faith.

Anyhow, I know what I know and it don’t do no good for any of you libruls to try and talk me out of it. So I don’t need to hear your facts. We are being ruint by the libruls running things in this country. That’s what all the Republican leaders say and that’s good enough for me. They wouldn’t lie or make up things. And God wouldn’t send me a Vision if it didn’t mean nothing.

Have a good day everybody.

DB, Gwinnettian

March 23rd, 2009
11:09 am

Powerline: The Best and the Whitest.

(Warning: graphic images.)

Eric

March 23rd, 2009
11:09 am

I didn’t think Bush was a moron until he opened his mouth!

Dusty

March 23rd, 2009
11:09 am

Phony Rush Limbaugh…just another liberal….

You have already dumbed down the liberals. Just leave the conservatives to keep a cool head.

Take Taxpayer. He suddenly wants to talk about Einstein the genius theoretical physicist. That is because Taxpayer wants to let us know that HE, like Einstein, does not believe in anything religious. Soooo…more waste of time. Conservatives don’t force religion on anybody. But Taxpayer is really worried. Why I don’t know. This is a free country and conservatives want to keep it that way.

Oh libs, don’t forget to read Bob Barr today. He wants to give Bush a few whacks too. Maybe you can make a real liberal out him if you want him.

See ya later. Busy day! Stay sweet! Ms. Godzie will keep you smiling over her little nuances for dunces. Have a good one!

Paul

March 23rd, 2009
11:18 am

Taxpayer 10:40

Some will skim over your post and take away the idea Einstein did not believe in ‘God.’ This is incorrect, as a careful reading of your post states he rejected the idea of ‘God’ BASED UPON fear and “the social and moral conception of God.”

So take away the fear aspect and the prevalent social and moral concepts of his day and he was okay with the idea.

Earl

March 23rd, 2009
11:18 am

No country is going to invest in America with the group of liars and welfare socliatist we have in control now. I saw stupid in it’s most brilliant form on 60 Minutes last night. Obama is going to make Carter look good. Now the Socialist thinks he is powerful enough to regulate the incomes of corporate America. Living in a crime infested Democratically ran city like Atlanta where it’s not safe to venture out at night according to our police, I knew once Dems took control it would be a nightmare. With that said, I had no idea it would be this bad. We have an administration that’s now void of class, ethics and vision. Soon the teleprompter won’t be able to hide that much stupid, nothing will.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

March 23rd, 2009
11:20 am

DB, Gwinnettian 11:09 am

What a horribly racist post, I, as all decent people must be, am horrified my your the hate-speak of your post. In this day and time, racism has no place.

On further, were your denigration of all that is white even directionally correct, Utah would not be the shining example of good people, good good economy, and good people that it is. Alternatively, if the opposite of white is good, then the “chocolate city” of new orleans and its hyper-incompetent Mayor Nagrin would not be the open sore that it is.

Jay, you must ban DB for hate speak.

DB, Gwinnettian

March 23rd, 2009
11:21 am

He suddenly wants to talk about Einstein the genius theoretical physicist.

Oh.

See, I thought he wanted to talk about Einstein, the founding member of a bagel restaurant enterprise.

Paul

March 23rd, 2009
11:21 am

Earl 11:18

[[Now the Socialist thinks he is powerful enough to regulate the incomes of corporate America.]]

Do you think it’s okay if you take a company that’s going out of business, but the gov’t decides to provide it with public funds to give it a chance to keep going (if the gov’t didn’t the company would be bankrupt) – do you think it’s okay to have the officers of that company to pay themselves whatever they want – millions, even – when the money is coming from the taxpayers? Or do you think it reasonable for the gov’t to say “if you want our money, you can’t pay yourselves whatever you want”?

DB, Gwinnettian

March 23rd, 2009
11:25 am

“your denigration of all that is white”

Where do these whiny-arsed teaty babies get this, anyway? Denigration? All that is white?

Someone’s projecting like a multiplex, again.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

March 23rd, 2009
11:29 am

Paul 11:21 am

While most of your post is little more than foolish babble, I agree with your statement that, “do you think it reasonable for the gov’t to say “if you want our money, you can’t pay yourselves whatever you want”?”

The only problem is that when the Obama administration agreed to provide MORE TAXPAYER MONEY TO AIG THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DID NOT SAY, “do you think it reasonable for the gov’t to say “if you want our money, you can’t pay yourselves whatever you want”?” In fact, the Obama Administration interceded to insert language into the stimulus bill that would legitimize the AIG retention bonuses.

So, using your own logic, the falut falls suqarely at the of the Tonight Show guest, President Obama. Once must wonder if his scurrilous attack on those poor mentally challanged folk was little more than a “wag the dog” moment to draw cover for the larger screw-ups of the Obama Administration.

On another front, famed economist and former Obama supporter, JK Galbreath has termed the new Treasury plan as, “”Extremely Dangerous.”