Talk amongst yourselves….

I’m otherwise occupied at the moment.

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I Report/ You Whine

March 22nd, 2009
6:42 am

Jack slap!

Khamenei set the bar impossibly high —- demanding an overhaul of U.S. foreign policy, including giving up “unconditional support” for Israel and halting claims that Iran is seeking nuclear arms. Iran insists its nuclear program is only for peaceful energy purposes.-Urinal/Jihad

Yeah, and blowing up the marauding United States too, according to Bookman.

“Have you released Iranian assets? Have you lifted oppressive sanctions? Have you given up mudslinging and making accusations against the great Iranian nation and its officials?” Khamenei said in a speech Saturday in the northeastern city of Mashhad. The crowd chanted “Death to America.”

What’s next, Oblahmi, are you going to tell the Somalians about “hopeandchange?”

I Report/ You Whine

March 22nd, 2009
7:04 am

Queen Pinko shares a secret with us!

(Well, mostly over. In some quarters, the knee-jerk impulse to excuse fat cats their misdeeds remains so strong that some conservative commentators have tried to blame the financial meltdown on working-class home buyers. Not a single mainstream economist agrees with that assessment. It’s pretty clear that shenanigans at companies like AIG are to blame for this mess.)-Urinal/TeamOneTerm

Oh, ok, so “working-class,” whoever they are, made all of their mortgage payments, eh?

Paid them everyday, on time, no matter how much the APR went up, like clockwork, right?

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac never had to pay out a dime to cover any lending defaults, did they?

It was all the fault of the Greedy Capitalists, handing out bonuses, ew!

(Crackpot.)

Listen to this socialist with the “working-class,” little nasty brutish people that have the “audacity” to earn their living, talked down to and told what is best for them by the “ruling-class,” their “protectors.”

Pol Pot, eh?

The Corporal

March 22nd, 2009
7:32 am

Regarding that terrible shooting of the police officers out in Oakland, the real question at this point is not why he did it (that will never be answered as he is also thankfully dead) but based on his “rap sheet” WHY WAS HE LOOSE IN SOCIETY to be able to do it???

I hope there are some judges who will be held accountable !!!

Cherokee

March 22nd, 2009
7:45 am

One possible answer, Corporal – and this is entirely speculation – would be that he was released early to deal with the extreme overcrowding in our prisons, and the expense that has caused, especially in California. We lock up too many non violent offenders, for things like drug possession, when we should just concentrate on locking up those who are dangerous.

The Corporal

March 22nd, 2009
7:54 am

Cherokee:

I hear you but it happens time and time again when that is not the issue. If you could just read the rap sheets of thousands who are on the streets you would be appalled ……….. placed there by judges who live in their ivory towers.

Oh, the lower court judges will say “I am bound by the law”! Yes they are ……… law from an oligarchy of judges above them who live in those same ivory towers !

I Report/ You Whine

March 22nd, 2009
8:05 am

Why are these lowlifes not locked up?

People lingered at the scene of the first shooting. About 20 bystanders taunted police.

Good job, Urinal and all the other left wing inciters of violence, it’s us against the cops, eh?

Piano wire around the necks of the capitalists, war against the cops, wittle love videos to murderous, repressive dictatorships.

You got it going on now.

(Good for you.)

The Corporal

March 22nd, 2009
8:12 am

I Report/ You Whine:

They should have been ….. disorderly conduct! But it’s only just beginning. The “war of the classes” is just starting.

To Cherokee:

Regarding the overcrowding of our jails …. that may be true in many instances but when a “non-violent” crime (credit card fraud, someone pushing drugs to your kids, etc., etc.) happens to you or someone you love guess what? YOU want them in JAIL. Right now!

T

March 22nd, 2009
8:13 am

Is that what they are calling it now days?

I Report/ You Whine

March 22nd, 2009
8:37 am

Any sentient being dumb enough to fall for this AIG huffin’ an’ a-puffin’ from Barry, Barney, Doddy and the gang is a fool who deserves the vaporization of his assets that the national political class is lining up for him. As Charles Krauthammer pointed out, the $165 million in bonuses is less than 1/18,500th of the $3.1 trillion budget. The massive expansion of government the president is planning is forever, and will ensure you that end your days in what Peggy Noonan calls “post-prosperity America.” More immediately, what message do you send to the world when legal contracts can be abrogated by retrospective confiscatory bills of attainder? You think that’s going to get anyone investing in America again?

If you want a banana republic on steroids, this is great news. So cheer on thuggish grandstanding by incompetent legislators-for-life like Barney Frank if you wish. But, in any battle between the political class and the business class, you’re only fooling yourself if you think it’s in your interest for the latter to lose.-Mark Steyn

Only fooling yourself, hahahahaha.

He must know some of you fool liberals.

Question

March 22nd, 2009
8:38 am

From Cynthia Tucker’s column today — “…The United States is still a country of great opportunity, as the Obamas would surely attest. Neither Barack nor Michelle Robinson Obama grew up in comfort; but with hard work, each of them rose to achieve an Ivy League education.

But countless other young Americans are struggling to climb just one or two rungs up the ladder of social and economic mobility. We ought to harness our righteous indignation to find a way to reward that effort…”.

Yeah, right. The sense of entitlement and generational government dependency for their care and feeding just increased many fold with the current administation. Hard work, any sense of responsibility or contribution of society, and drive to climb the ladder and today’s administration are not compatible terms!! Current administration themes to date are “do as I say, not as I do”, “not this time, but next”, “your lot is life is not your fault” and overall “punish sucess and reward failure”…

I Report/ You Whine

March 22nd, 2009
8:45 am

MarkSteyn: You know, does he wake up in the morning and the teleprompter’s behind Michelle’s head, and he’s going Good Morning, Darling. Did you sleep well? And it’s become, you know, it’s not good for him, that it’s become so instantly the Obama joke.

It’s working for me, hahahahahaa

I Report/ You Whine

March 22nd, 2009
8:52 am

My goodness, it is so refreshing to hear adult discussion emerge from all of the childish mob nattering-

HughHewitt: Can you imagine, Mark Steyn, who wants to go to work for AIG right now? Or any TARP-funded entity? Don’t you want to run as fast as you can away from such businesses?

That’s exactly right, so how long before they go out of business, dragging our trillions down with them?

Demonize away democrats, duh.

DB, Gwinnettian

March 22nd, 2009
8:56 am

DB, Gwinnettian

March 22nd, 2009
8:58 am

Whiner, are you still fretting about the piano wire?

DB, Gwinnettian

March 22nd, 2009
9:01 am

Because if a couple of the AIG guys (or their loved ones) were to get whacked? It would be lamentable, sure. But on a certain level, that might make us even on the past year, on the politically motivated hit jobs front.

Just sayin’.

Mrs. Godzilla

March 22nd, 2009
9:05 am

Hey Paul Krugman….a little ditty to discuss….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOYAuk809fY

I am on record as not being crazy about our SecTres, but is it too soon to call for his head? This isn’t just a recession anymore. It’s also a white collar crime wave.

I Report/ You Whine

March 22nd, 2009
9:07 am

VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN KILLS AT GRIDIRON: “Axelrod really wanted me to do this on teleprompter — but I told him I’m much better when I wing it. … I know these evenings run long, so I’m going to be brief. Talk about the audacity of hope. … President Obama does send his greetings, though. He can’t be here tonight — because he’s busy getting ready for Easter. (Whisper) He thinks it’s about him. …

DB, Gwinnettian

March 22nd, 2009
9:09 am

Biden is a hoot. He is so loving this gig.

BDAtlanta

March 22nd, 2009
9:10 am

“Thank you, Republican Party. You helped us elect one of the most liberal senators to the presidency. We couldn’t have done it without you.”
-Michael Moore

Mwhuahahhahahahahahahaha

DB, Gwinnettian

March 22nd, 2009
9:10 am

Mrs. G, that song SUCKS! My linkee ROCKS!

DB, Gwinnettian

March 22nd, 2009
9:13 am

BDAtl, that MM quote of yours @ 9.10 should be particularly well-appreciated, given that right wingnuts actually funded ads “thanking” Michael Moore for Preznit Chimpy McCrapStain’s re-election squeaker in 2004.

Too lazy to google it, but trust me, they actually believed that what turned the tide and made Bush’s re-election possible was our side’s crazy radical lefties turning off the Real Americans.

I’ve often said that those who complain the most about Moore have, generally, never actually watched his films, which tend to be pretty understated politically and aren’t especially radical at all. I actually don’t think he’s any great shakes as a documentarian, but… radical? nope.

BDAtlanta

March 22nd, 2009
9:15 am

I see I Report/You whine is stealing Hannity’s stuff now.

Dude’s got nothing of his own. The cut and paste maestro.

BDAtlanta

March 22nd, 2009
9:18 am

DB,
I thought Moore’s Sicko was quite eye-opening. At least it made me and some others ask “Shouldn’t we expect better of our health care system than what we have now?”

Documentaries are supposed to get the brain working and the juices flowing and his films do just that.

How about the Bowling for Columbine sequence with the number of gun-related deaths in various countries? That’s is powerful stuff.

DB, Gwinnettian

March 22nd, 2009
9:23 am

BD, Sicko wasn’t eye-opening for me; nothing in there was a surprise. That said, it had its moments; most memorable for me was his sober assessment after the video of the “dumping” (you remember, right? the indigent patients literally being dumped on the street in front of another hospital?)

His one line said it all: “We’re better than this.” And he went on to talk at some length about how Americans have always been proud of how they pull together and take care of their own.

If people only get one thing from Sicko, it ought to be that.

How about the Bowling for Columbine sequence with the number of gun-related deaths in various countries? That’s is powerful stuff.

Must’ve been for you–again, perhaps because I’m already well aware of these stats it probably flew past me. My take-away from Columbine–something most people seem to miss–is that its villain is actually Bill Clinton, whom Moore basically blames for foisting stupid “welfare-to-work” regs on the nation, which led (indirectly) to that child being left in someone’s care as a result of the mother having to commute by bus an insane distance to a crap job paying crap wages.

DB, Gwinnettian

March 22nd, 2009
9:24 am

Gotta run, taking family to place-of-worship.

later, all.

lwwmm7

March 22nd, 2009
9:30 am

We ain’t seen nothin’ yet. Wait until the long hot summer. Cities in flame and mob rule. Keep your powder dry, boys.

Taxpayer

March 22nd, 2009
9:42 am

Just a reminder to those folks getting out to do some fishing now that this beautiful spring is upon us. Check the GADNR (assuming you are in Georgia) fish consumption guidelines for the PARTICULAR lake or waterway, etc., as well as type of fish just to be sure that you continue to protect yourself from the on-going legacy of our coal-fired power plants and cement plants and other laissez faired “anything for a buck” amongst us. For example, the St. Simons estuary has some pretty strict limits on just about everything due to mercury, PCBs, toxaphene, etc., contamination. And, the best thing to do is just avoid the Coosa River Basin given all the restrictions due to PCBs and mercury there. Of course, if the pregnant ones out there just cannot do without all the goodness that comes from fish and such, you could always just abort that little deformity and not concern yourself with matters such as air and water pollution at all. And, all that talk about PCBs and other toxins and cancer and kidney and liver problems. It’s just talk. Don’t you worry about none of that stuff. What you need to stay focused on is carbon dioxide emissions and the distractions that it provides. Not that I’m trying to downplay the serious aspects of too much CO2, mind you. But, let us not lose sight of other serious issues either. After all, if the globe warms too much and there’s no non-poisoned life around to proclaim “Wow, it sure is hot today”, then did it really warm up. Keep your eye on the ball. Now you see it, now you don’t.

Redneck Convert

March 22nd, 2009
9:50 am

Well, I swear, the more we rip this Obama a new one the better people seem to like him. His ratings ain’t moved a inch and it looks like we are going to loose more godly Republican Congress people in the future. We talk and bluster about how we are going to take over in 2010 or 2012 but in our heart we know it ain’t going to happen. We’ll trot out Sister Sarah in 2012 and she will get her head handed to her and maybe a broomstick up the butt too.

And that’s why we need to make a new country called the Southren States of America. Seems the Republicans can only win in the Southren states and us Liberatarians could join with them to run the new country right. We could probly get most of the rich people up north to come live here because they know we treat them right and shove the taxes down to the little people.

It might could take a few years for the U.S. of A. to move all the military bases up north but sooner or later we would have the whole country all to ourselfs. One things for sure, we wouldn’t have none of these civil rights laws and Medicaid and all the other giveaway programs we got now.

Anyhow, I’m headed down to the Church of Holiness to listen to the Rev. Postlewaite jaw for awhile. He’s too moderate in my books. I wish we had the Rev. Jim Bob Buice back but the state won’t let him go around kids and the church won’t vote to go adults-only. Have a good Sabbath everybody and don’t try sneaking around and trying to buy beer today. You got to show respeck for my religion.

BDAtlanta

March 22nd, 2009
10:05 am

The Big Takeover
The global economic crisis isn’t about money – it’s about power. How Wall Street insiders are using the bailout to stage a revolution.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/26793903/the_big_takeover

Matt Taibbi hits another one out of the park.

That just ruined my Sunday!

BDAtlanta

March 22nd, 2009
10:08 am

Redneck Convert,
Can I get a new trailer if I stay here?

I Report/ You Whine

March 22nd, 2009
10:27 am

This guy is a walking kampaign speech, totally unserious-

“How many terrorists have actually been brought to justice under the philosophy that is being promoted by Vice President Cheney? It hasn’t made us safer. What it has been is a great advertisement for anti-American sentiment.”-OneTerm

I don’t know, call me old fashioned, but I kinda like it when American cities aren’t in flames.

I guess Oblahmi means “we” as in the terrorists aren’t safer, huh?

Redneck Convert

March 22nd, 2009
10:42 am

“Redneck Convert,
Can I get a new trailer if I stay here?”

It depends on if you are one of God’s People or one of Those People.

Chad Harris

March 22nd, 2009
10:46 am

The AIG bonuses while egregious represent zeros in front of .1 % of the bailout. There never should have been TARPs I and II nor should there have been a bailout of anyone or anything.

AIG used the money to pay billions to foreign banks and billions to Goldman Sachs. The Goldman Sachs Rethugs in the Bush administration gave TLC to Goldman Sachs with your money but hey it was for a Bush cause. And we all know thugs will vote against their own best interests out of delusional venom.

Keep your delusional venom going–it loses you elections. Senator Franken is coming to a Senate near you this week.

BDAtlanta

March 22nd, 2009
10:51 am

Geithner was the prodigy of Bob Rubin, Clinton’s Tres Sec who opposed regulation and pushed to overturn Glass-Steagall. If Obama gets rid of Geithner, who can he get? Is there anyone with the ability to manage this thing who hasn’t been part of the problem?

And why in the hell is Rubin on Obamas economic team? He is like Phil Gramm’s step brother in all of this.

Who can Obama get?

BDAtlanta

March 22nd, 2009
10:54 am

AIG bonuses aren’t even the frosting on the cake; those bonuses represent the frosting left on the knife after the cake has been sliced.

Chad Harris

March 22nd, 2009
11:01 am

Financial companies that received multibillion-dollar payments owed by A.I.G. include Goldman Sachs ($12.9 billion), Merrill Lynch ($6.8 billion), Bank of America ($5.2 billion), Citigroup ($2.3 billion) and Wachovia ($1.5 billion).

Big foreign banks also received large sums from the rescue, including Société Générale of France and Deutsche Bank of Germany, which each received nearly $12 billion; Barclays of Britain ($8.5 billion); and UBS of Switzerland ($5 billion).

A.I.G. also named the 20 largest states, starting with California, that stood to lose billions last fall because A.I.G. was holding money they had raised with bond sales.

Compared to this money, the bonuses were a literal spit in the ocean. The airhead MSM rarely mentions that this is the real problem with the AIG bailout.

So of course stupid Congress on BOTH sides of the aisle is railing about the bonuses that were approved as usual in a secret conference committee where several more people than Dodd allowed the bonuses to happen (and none of whom read the legislation or dug in to pin down the bonues) as the symbolic handwringing pimping and vamping for cameras continues.

When you want to talk stupid in Congress, it’s pandemic on both sides of the aisle.

BDAtlanta

March 22nd, 2009
11:24 am

Taibbi isn’t the only one looking at the power play behind the problem. Robert Reich is too:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/the-real-scandal-of-aig_b_175105.html

AmVet

March 22nd, 2009
11:39 am

Andy, even by your standards, that 10:27 is boneheaded.

Do you understand the term justice?

Just in case: the administering of deserved punishment.

I guess that as a zealot of the Party of Personal Responsibility, you figure these guys are gonna punish themselves, given that BotchCo couldn’t find their fat arses with both hands.

And similar to the great war time presidents before him, BotchCo did keep that awesome Islamo-Air Force from doing a blitzkreig on us. And keeping nary a single Mooslo-armada from storming the Jersey Shore. And International Falls was not once threatened by a horde of angry towel-heads in tanks.

GREAT JOB, Mr. War Time President!

Watching you Republiconned swallow hook, line and sinker the national security tactics of DickHead and king George II and having set the national security bar low enough for first graders to jump over explains a great deal these days…

I Report/ You Whine

March 22nd, 2009
12:38 pm

AmVet- Perhaps you could share with us exactly what it is that OneTerm is doing any different from Bushie did, besides not calling enemy combatants enemy combatants, haha, a term the Oblahmi administration now reserves for the children of AIG executives.

And while you are at it, do tell us how much more safer we could have been the last 7 years, I for one am interested in hearing this.

getalife

March 22nd, 2009
12:43 pm

Troubled banks still donate to campaigns :

http://thehill.com/business–lobby/troubled-banks-still-donate-to-campaigns-2009-03-03.html

Got em running scared in Washington

Time for some blunt honesty from the President because this is spinning out of control.

getalife

March 22nd, 2009
12:46 pm

Did ya’ll see Newt and Carville teaching that class on why the parties are so messed up on CNN?

Talk about blunt honesty .

Great stuff.

Chad Harris

March 22nd, 2009
12:52 pm

The corporal wants to see every man woman and child incarcerated in a country who stupidly incarcerates 1/100 the highest rate of incarceration by far, but we also have the highest rate of unwanted pregnancy in the world easily surpassing our competitior India.

The corporal is upset apparently with some appellate panel, but he’d be even more upset if he realized how many appellate federal judges have no litigation experience in a courtroom of any kind whatsoever. whatsoever.

I thought the corporal would be concerned that Georgia is now pandemically violating the law that says
that every defendant has the right to counsel.

I thought the corporal, legal expert that he is, would be concerned that Georgia is on the verge of having the feds take over their courts again because they are violating federal law.

What law would that be say thugs?

Well one of them was written by Harold Melton, a Republican conservative who served as Sun Sun Doo Doo’s counsel prior to his being appointed to the Jaw Jaw Soopreemes by Sun Sun.

Ah am sure the legally sophisticated thugs here are concerned about the violation of 3 prominent case laws that say yo gots to have a lawyuh if yo faces as much as a nanosecond of probation fo yo charge.

It’s called reprhasentin–in that venomous witch usin’ gansta rap last week Michelle Malkin’s vernacular.

The corporal is very upset that his beloved Jaw jaw is violatin these 3 caselaws by not allowing repruhsentachion to the accused.

March 18, is a sacred day in the corporal’s house hold. It was the 46th anniverary of Gideon but even more upto date progeny of Gideon that are being violsted are:

Barnes v. State, 275 Ga. 499 (2002) Opinion by Leah Ward Sears
Jones V. Terry , 279 Ga. 623 (2005) Opinion by Harold Melton

and most importantly em>Alabama v. LeReed Shelton 535 U.S. 654 , 122 S.Ct. 1764, 152 L.Ed.2d 888.

Cheney and Bush are bedwetting wussies who dodged going into harm’s way years ago and when 911 came Cheney’s stupid orders were appropriately ignored and bedwetting Bush flew into the midwest away from any responsibility after panicking and reading to children instead of acting like a real commander in chief.

They are the major reason all the thugs here will die before a Rethug takes the White House ever.

AmVet

March 22nd, 2009
1:11 pm

Your obsession with, and loathing for, the mulatto is YOUR major league hangup. Not mine.

Why even bring him into this discussion? I think he’s right up your alley in a lot of ways. I mean. you’re completely into his sending at least two more divisions into Afghanistan, correct? As lon as it’s not you and yours that have to bleed and die for it.

There are a whole lot of people keeping your and my arse safe. It’s always been that way. That it took a modern day Pearl Harbor to once again awaken this giant from it’s slumber has not that much to do with BIG, BIG, BIG government BushCo and the Chickenhawks…

Your hypothetical second question is interesting.

I dunno, maybe securing our southern border may have helped. I dunno, maybe securing the cooperation, rather than lip service, of our longstanding allies would have helped. It certainly would have saved American lives. I dunno, maybe spending some of that $14,000,000.00 per hour in Iraq could have been used to improve our intel and our ability to actually find and kill these scumbags. Anywhere, anytime.

But no, your heroic War Time President and his “I had priorities other than military service”, “you go to war with the army you have” DickHead of a puppet master VP, were much more into the conventional neo-con model.

READY! FIRE! AIM!

4,260 American lives lost needlessly in that botched clusterf&ck, and you still shuck and grin for his Petrochemical Crusades.

Too bad Barbara and Jenna never got into any firefights in Fallujah…

I Report/ You Whine

March 22nd, 2009
1:35 pm

It’s a pretty simple question, after all WonderDunce and his prompter are quick to bring the accusation, so there must be something we don’t know about, perhaps Philadelphia was blowed away and Bushie neglected to tell us about it?

How could we have been safer?

Chad Harris

March 22nd, 2009
1:38 pm

No two individuals ave done more to destroy the American way of life, this government, and the merican economy than Bush and Cheney. They should be pursued and incarcerated asnd their place in history is permanatly embedded in the toilet. It will take several generations of Presidents just to get this country back to zero. Bush and Turkey shoot face wasted 3 trillion and counting 12 billion or so that we know about per month in the fiasco at Iraq.

And while you’re all spazzed out over the small fraction of 1% of AIG bonuses and the more egregious bunuses that are not being clawed back in any fashion that Citi approved for ole Merrill Lynch.

The 90% tax bill btw will die a very quick death on the Senate floor.

Congrats to all of you for cheerfully giving your money to banks to buy toxic assets. Hey it’s only a mere trillion–not even what valet parking costs you for a midtown/head of the Buck restuarant.

Toxic Asset Plan Foresees Big Subsidies for Investors

Chad Harris

March 22nd, 2009
1:39 pm

There’s a ton you don’t know about–let me count the ways.

BDAtlanta

March 22nd, 2009
1:43 pm

I’m sorry, are there republicans trying to participate in the discussions about the current economic and financial problems?

After 8 years of financial irresponsibility you can’t turn around and say “I’m astonished this has happened!” or “I don’t like the way the current President is handling all this!” or “The markets will correct themselves…and, by the way, I need a new tax break.”

You guys ran a war while lowering taxes???

You need to wait outside while the adults now try to fix the problem. If you voted republican any time this century, you don’t get a voice now. The market fundamentalism of your chosen leaders has been proven to be horse crap: markets do not self regulate.

Please wait outside. We’ll send out some peanut butter and jelly sandwiches at lunchtime.

I Report/ You Whine

March 22nd, 2009
1:46 pm

The Spirit of 1773, alive and well-

The attendees, many of whom said they’d heard about the rally on Hedinger’s radio show, brandished flags and homemade signs bearing slogans such as “Repeal the pork or our bacon is cooked” and “Obama lied, liberty died.”

“We’re really scared about what’s happening in our country,” said Debby Whisenand, 71, of Largo in Pinellas County. She waved a sign that read “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money” on one side, and “You can’t blame Bush anymore” on the other.

You think this is good, wait until the excessive taxes started hitting home.

heh

Chad Harris

March 22nd, 2009
1:46 pm

Bushie and Cheney made it a point that there is a ton you aren’t being told and Obama has so far almost exactly upheld his positions in every motion that Greg Craig lhas directed the dunce Holder to direct his people to file in court. Obama’s litigation has been so far precisely the Bush DOJ’s position and his best litigator Neal Katayl from Georgetown who beat the crap out of Bush in Hamden v. Rumsfield is now in the tricky position of being ordered to argue against every position he took in representing his clients as the guy who represents the US in the Supreme Court and directs and writes the briefs for the US as Principal Deputy SG.

Dave R

March 22nd, 2009
1:47 pm

In case you hadn’t noticed, Chad, brevity and specificity goes a long way towards making a point here.

Nicknames and name-calling don’t

You ought to try the former and avoid the latter. Maybe someone will actually follow what you type – but I doubt it.

And you know, this whole “Bush panicked and read to children” thing is a bit wearying to many. One of the best things a LEADER can do is to not show panic. Had Bush immediately left after the first plane hit the World Trade Center (without any confirmation that it was a terrorist attack at the time) it would have shown bad leadership. He calmly completed what he was doing, thereby avoiding a panic situation, and took steps appropriate for a leader once he was away and had more information.

A good LEADER also has to maintain the chain of command, and immediately flying back to D.C. was not the best way in which to do so. Only people in military and security situations would know and appreciate what he and his team did to keep him out of harm’s way until more information was available with which to act upon.

It doesn’t take a big man to complain about solid leadership functions when he has never needed to show any.

And AmVet, you are way out of line with the Barbara and Jenna firefight comment.

Dave R

March 22nd, 2009
1:53 pm

Oh, this is too good.

OK, Chad the legal eagle. You say that Bush and Cheney should be “pursued and incarcerated”.

Under what statute or law do you think that anyone in the Executive branch of government, especially one that is no longer in power, and specifically the President and Vice-President of the United States, should be prosecuted under?

This should be fun.

The Corporal

March 22nd, 2009
2:01 pm

To Dave R:

You sir have a stronger stomach than I have ……… :o )

To “If the Shoe Fits”:

Several of you were debating me the other day regarding the Constitutionality of the House bill regarding AIG …..

Well, your argument is now with your own party ……..

HEADLIEN: “Vice President Joe Biden’s economic adviser said Sunday that lawmakers’ plan to tax back insurance giant American International Group, AIG, bonuses may have ‘gone too far’.”

“I think the president would be concerned that this bill may go too far — the House bill — may go too far in terms of some legal issue: constitutional validity, using the tax code to surgically punish a small group of people.”

WELL, DUH !

The Corporal

March 22nd, 2009
2:05 pm

HEADLINE: THIS COUNTRY WILL GO BANKRUPT
CNN/Posted: 01:09 PM ET
Associate Producer Martina Stewart

WASHINGTON (CNN) – Even though he was almost a member of the new Obama administration, New Hampshire Republican Judd Gregg Sunday slammed President Obama’s approach to handling the country’s fiscal outlook.

“The practical implications of this is bankruptcy for the United States,” Gregg said of the Obama’s administration’s recently released budget blueprint. “There’s no other way around it. If we maintain the proposals that are in this budget over the ten-year period that this budget covers, this country will go bankrupt. People will not buy our debt, our dollar will become devalued. It is a very severe situation.”

Gregg, known as one of the keenest fiscal minds on Capitol Hill, also told CNN Chief National Correspondent John King that he thought it was “almost unconscionable” for the White House to continue with its planned course on fiscal matters with unprecedented actual and projected budget deficits in the coming years.

The Corporal

March 22nd, 2009
2:08 pm

BACKPEDALING:

MSNBC: Obama the candidate vs. Obama the president
“U.S. leader finds campaign promises don’t always mesh with reality”

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama’s optimistic campaign rhetoric has crashed headlong into the stark reality of governing.

In office two months, he has backpedaled on an array of issues, gingerly shifting positions as circumstances dictate while ducking for political cover to avoid undercutting his credibility and authority. That’s happened on the Iraq troop withdrawal timeline, on lobbyists in his administration and on money for lawmakers’ pet projects.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU BRING IN THE JR. VARSITY ………

Chad Harris

March 22nd, 2009
2:09 pm

How many ways can Senate Republicans show intellectual hypocrisy? An infinite Number!

Dawn Johnsen will finally take her seat as head of the Office of Legal Counsel the powerful DOJ agency that decides how the administration will argue case law. Johnsen is the first prolific blogger. Who did she blog against? Everyone in the Bushie DOJ she often articulately called the Bushies morons.

The thugs should look forward to a seating of Al Franken soon one of the brightest Senators to hold office and infinitely better informed than the deposed Norm Coleman.

BDAtlanta

March 22nd, 2009
2:13 pm

There’s no reason to prosecute Bush and Cheney. They are from the privileged class and we all know the privileged class never really serve jail time anyway. It would just be a waste of more tax dollars.

Same thing with Barbara and Jenna. We all know the children of the privileged classes rarely join the military that protects and furthers the interests of their daddy’s and granddaddy’s money. That’s for the lower classes to take care of. The lower classes should keep their mouths shut and take of the rich.

The Corporal

March 22nd, 2009
2:16 pm

To BDAtlanta:

A completely random, no exemptions draft would solve that.

Are you in favor ?

Dave R

March 22nd, 2009
2:16 pm

Don’t worry, Corp. I’ve played in Chadly’s sandbox a time or two, and he hasn’t gotten the better of me yet. He was banned for a couple of days just AFTER his glowing comments regarding Dawn “The greatest Constitutional scholar of our time” Johnsen and just BEFORE he was asked to justify the Constitutional chops of Ms. Johnsen in her assertion that any restrictions on abortion violates the 13th amendment outlawing slavery. Very convenient of him to be banned before he could defend the Constitutionally indefensible.

Like a mouse to my cat, he’s fun to play with when he isn’t so delusional (which is not very often).

AmVet

March 22nd, 2009
2:22 pm

Perhaps you’re right about me being way out of your line, Dave. Or perhaps just out of your league.

Maybe I should have listed Chelsea Clinton.

Nader has IMHO a brilliant concept called Draft at the Top. And I am all for it:

President Bush believed that the war in Iraq was “worth the sacrifice.”

The question then becomes – sacrifice by whom?

Prince Harry served in Afghanistan.

Senator Jim Webb and Senator John McCain each have a son who has served in Iraq.

During World War II four of Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s sons entered the armed forces, as did General Eisenhower’s son, John Eisenhower.

No double standard for them.

So, why not Jenna and Barbara Bush?

And why not military service for the children of all members of Congress – who funded this criminal war in Iraq?

There is a certain moral authority to govern – setting an example – sharing in the sacrifice initiated by the White House – that escape George W. Bush and Dick Cheney and their enablers in Congress. (As well as you neo-conned who voted for them.)

They have children who have declined to serve during the Iraq war.

While over four thousand, two hundred other young American men and women have died in this needless, criminal war.

And over thirty thousand have been seriously injured. Many horrifically.

Why the double standard?

There is a simple cure for this double standard.

It’s called – draft at the top.

Pass a law that says this – whenever Congress and the White House take our country to war, all able-bodied military-age children of every member of Congress, the President and the Vice-President will be conscripted automatically into the armed forces.

I grantee you the BushCo Bunglers would have been a helluva lot more reasoned in their approach if they had some skin in the game.

The Corporal

March 22nd, 2009
2:34 pm

AmVet:

I hear you and would support that except guess what? The same Congress who exempted itself from the Civil Rights Act would never pass it ……………. :o ) Therefore, the next best possibility is “100%” random with no exemptions …….. that would be hard enough.

Oh by the way, I like your suggestion about drafting women but we would have to get the Surpreme Court to re-rule on that one. They closed that door.

To Dave R:

Like I said. You are a stronger man than I. I dealt with the “tin foil hats” for almost 34 years and I just can’t do it anymore ……. sonar to bridge, sonar to bridge ………

Dave R

March 22nd, 2009
2:46 pm

The good news, Corp, is that Chad has:

A. Gone to lunch to recharge the tin hat.
B. Doesn’t know how to hit the “Refresh” button on his browser.
C. Is furiously researching law books to try to answer my earlier question.
D. Sitting in a corner sucking his thumb.

I know which one I’m betting on. And I’ll collect long before he does on his Sarah Palin bet.

Taxpayer

March 22nd, 2009
3:21 pm

DB, Gwinnettian

March 22nd, 2009
3:26 pm

President Bush believed that the war in Iraq was “worth the sacrifice.”

The question then becomes – sacrifice by whom?

But AmVet, haven’t George and Laura suffered enough?

DB, Gwinnettian

March 22nd, 2009
3:29 pm

…a Texas state Representative wants the Institute for Creation Research to be able to grant Master of Science degrees…

Refresh my memory–I know our Whiner doesn’t believe in biological evolution, but is he one of those young-earthers, who thinks the planet’s ~6,000 years old?

If so, I’d imagine he’d be a willing sucker–er, I mean, pupil!–for such a program.

If not, well, there are plenty of others. I hear they’re born every minute.

BDAtlanta

March 22nd, 2009
3:31 pm

Last month, the same government that says it “cannot just abrogate” executives’ bonus contracts used its leverage to cancel unions’ wage contracts. As the Wall Street Journal reported, federal loans to G.M. and Chrysler were made contingent on those manufacturers shredding their existing labor pacts and “extract[ing] financial concessions from workers.” In other words, our government asks us to believe that it possesses total authority to adjust contracts at car companies it lends to, and yet has zero power to modify contracts at financial firms it owns. This, even though the latter set of covenants might be easily abolished.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/03/21/sirota/

BDAtlanta

March 22nd, 2009
3:32 pm

Ooops. That last post should have been all in quotation marks.

DB, Gwinnettian

March 22nd, 2009
3:33 pm

h/t to 538 dot com… Cool Swing State Project tables, showing how individual congressional districts did for the last three Presidential races.

I see that mine’s up nine points for Obama (over Kerry; eight points over Gore). We’ll get there yet!

DB, Gwinnettian

March 22nd, 2009
3:37 pm

Last month, the same government that says it “cannot just abrogate” executives’ bonus contracts used its leverage to cancel unions’ wage contracts

Seen or heard any anti-EFCA propaganda from the right? There’s a presumption among its target audience that unions are the equivalent to organized crime; so naturally nobody is going to get the backs of those men and women who are being screwed by these bailout agreements.

Love to stay and chat, but fambly obligations beckon. Later, all.

BDAtlanta

March 22nd, 2009
3:44 pm

Corporal,

Yes, but not a draft as we used to know it. What I’d like to see is a mandatory 2-year service for every American upon hitting the age of 18 (or as soon as high school classes let out for those still in school.)

Each kid has an option – they can choose to serve in the military, Peace Corp, Americorp or several as yet-to-be-named organizations such as:
-A health-care focused group that works for the elderly, the infirm, the mentally retarded, etc
-An infrastructure-focused corp that puts the kids to work refurbishing our infrastructure

There are lots more you guys can probably come up with.

The goal would be to get people to serve for 2 years and then they can head off to college or go back to the work force if they didn’t graduate college. They will be wiser and have some money in the bank to start their future.

G

March 22nd, 2009
3:47 pm

Does anyone else view this as an act of war upon the American people?

I’ve felt that way since the opening days of Nancy Raygun’s presidency.

I say regulate them till their eyeballs fall out.

Chad Harris

March 22nd, 2009
3:56 pm

What the corporal and the idiot Dave R. call tin foil are people who can clean their clocks on any topic. It’s called education–the enemy of the thug party. You put up stupid cadidates and you have your butts handed to you.

Pick any topic–and since I don’t know what a refresh button is pick any IT, medical, or legal topic Dave R. You haven’t in weeks.

I rarely read anything you say if I see your name, and I sure as hell am not looking for any thug moron question. If I happen to see it I’ll pounce on you and tear you a new one.

The self congratulatory masturbation you practice Dave R is quintissentbial Joe Plumber stupidity and you could double for that moron.
.
Dave R. cannot pick any specific topic because he is afraid to get an immediate new one tott rn. There must be an infinite number of holes where your butt used to be.

Chad Harris

March 22nd, 2009
3:59 pm

Dave R= the complete ignorance and inability to discuss a single factual topic. All childi sh invective and mastabatory sel-f hiffiving but it is impossible to find a single issue he can debate.

Chad Harris

March 22nd, 2009
4:02 pm

In case you hadn’t noticed Dave R. your hot air is all about specious childish boasting and you’re not in any
position to critique anyone’s writing ability particularly someone who wen’t get t to several schools you couldn’t get admitted to, and caught people in ElRs where the onlts.y thing you’d be capable of is wetting your pants. Dave R has no specific topic he can argue so like a child needing a diapar change he flings pure crap and covers himself in it.

Taxpayer

March 22nd, 2009
4:04 pm

But, businesses must be left alone so they can prosper and create jobs for we the people. We the people must leave businesses unmonitored and unregulated otherwise we the people will choke off their creativity and then we the people will suffer and die. We the people must leave businesses untaxed because otherwise businesses will just pack their bags and leave us here to suffer and die. They will simply move to China and India and Korea and conduct their business in a completely laissez faire, tax-free, low labor cost environment and then ship all their products back into the states, tariff and tax-free, and force us to buy these products on time-payment plans financed at 25% APR on the company credit card.

All right, you right wing fringe (conservative-Republican) nut cases. Here is my synopsis of what you claim is one of your core philosophies (if not, THE core philosophy). Did I get it right. After all, trying to make sense out of your gibberish is quite the challenge. So, feel free to mark it up so the rest of us can better understand what we are up against. Show off that intellect. Come on, boys. Show me what you got.

Chad Harris

March 22nd, 2009
4:06 pm

Dave R the moron writes:

OK, Chad the legal eagle. You say that Bush and Cheney should be “pursued and incarcerated”.

Under what statute or law do you think that anyone in the Executive branch of government, especially one that is no longer in power, and specifically the President and Vice-President of the United States, should be prosecuted under?

This should be fun.

In the first place a statute is a law so it isn’t what statute or law. And as usual Dave R. you have nothing specific you can discuss so you’re always asking the questions. You have no specific retort, and you wouldn’t know anything about the law or medicine if it bit you in the butt.

Bush violated the laws against torture and wiretapping for openers.

Pogo

March 22nd, 2009
4:08 pm

It is surreal that people on this blog are celebrating the biggest scam that has ever been put over on the American people (and by that I mean, the election of Barack Obama, who is looking more and more like some dressed up talking head with no longterm vision nor any concept of what it takes to run a country). Quite frankly, he is beginning to look plain dumb. His election could very well be the beginning of the end for this country, or at least the way of life all of us including the you liberals, know. Anarchy used to be a joke concept to the thinking people in the United States. They thought it couldn’t happen here. Well, the spectre of anarchy isn’t a joke anymore. If government controls business and business fails (which it will if government controls it) then society will fail. And if society fails, social order goes out the window. It is that simple. I’m ready, are you?

BDAtlanta

March 22nd, 2009
4:11 pm

I think you hit the nail on the head, Taxpayer. But what do I know, I’m just a librul, commie, pinko.

Off topic of the current tangent this thread is taking:
I bet if there weren’t as many cameras all over the place you’d see alot more high-end cars getting keyed by middle class folks venting anger.

BDAtlanta

March 22nd, 2009
4:15 pm

Pogo, we’d be better off with the guy who graduated at the bottom of his class at a school his daddy had to get him into and his running mate, the beauty queen?

Chad Harris

March 22nd, 2009
4:18 pm

Interactive Guide to Bush Lawbreaking

The Pricinple Deputy SG Neil Katayal won a case

Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, 548 U.S. 557 (2006), in which the Supreme Court decided the Bush administration broke a number of laws. Hamden ruled that military comissions were illegal, specifically their MO of witholding discovery from the defense, allowing one sidede hearsay evidence which is of course illegal according to FRE, Federal Rules of Evidence with the rare exception of the rule on heresay exception, and holding a defendant for years without charging them. That’s one reason that this week a federal trial will be held in Chicago for one of the Gitmo detainees that was a victim of this egregious Bush and Rumsfield law breaking.

That case was won by Neil Katayal the new Principal SG of the US and we know you don’t know Dave R but that means he will be responsible for arguing all civil and criminal cases representing the US in the Supreme Court.

Bush was found to have violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice by the Supreme Court in the above cited case.

The Corporal

March 22nd, 2009
4:20 pm

To BDAtlanta:

Good ideas. 2 years doing something useful for the country and include all of the physically challenged, etc. The something for everyone.

To Pogo:

As I said yesterday, I have some good liberal friends who are really getting worried they have made a terrible mistake. He is NOT a socialist …. it’s worse.

Chad Harris

March 22nd, 2009
4:23 pm

This country is in the toilet mainly because we do not have Sarah Moron holding the launch codes and reciting that she can see the launch codes from Alaska.

The perfect symbol of mssive Rethug stupidity is Palin. She got her butt handed to her, she made a fool of herself and they were rejected in all 3 major venues.

Elections have consequences and you’re about to realize (or in most cases the thugs won’t understand) what they are.

Gotta go and as usual Dave R. you had nothing specific in retort. You didn’t even know the case I cited existed or anything about its analysis. You might want to get the compellined , eurudite Joe the Unemployed Plumber to assist you since you’re covered with the excrement that backs up on him.

Chad Harris

March 22nd, 2009
4:24 pm

Pogo what looked dumb was your party and your candidates which was why they were creamed.

The Corporal

March 22nd, 2009
4:26 pm

Taxpayer:

I too am a creationist but a couple of points:

1) We don’t know how old the earth/universe is for sure but probably in the millions/billions.
2) The Bible says God created it all ….. the time frame and exactly how is just not there.
3) That makes me an “ID” (intelligent design) person.
4) I really don’t see how any rational person cannot believe that something starts from nothing. There had to be a “creator”. That begs the question of “then who put the Creator there”. I hope to be able to understand the immense answer to that qwestion someday.
5) The Bible is NOT a book of science but when it speaks scientifically it is accurate (we just have problems with the correct interpretation).
6) The Bible is always 100% accurate with the formual for how to have eternal life.

Job 26:7 (written about 5,000 years ago)

…… He hangeth the earth upon nothing.

Chad Harris

March 22nd, 2009
4:26 pm

Palin couldn’t wash the floors at Harvard law school. All you thugs get up and empty your bank accounts.

Moron wants your money for her legal defense fund. She already owes about 600,000 bucks and her legal liability climbs exponentially every day. Then give the rest of your money the Norm Coleman defense fund to pay for his losing election court battle.

Chad Harris

March 22nd, 2009
4:28 pm

Creationism = the same religious right wing nutbag idiocy that passed the laughing stock Jaw Jaw emb stem law. Of course thugs embrace it–all religous anti-science nutbags do.

Chad Harris

March 22nd, 2009
4:28 pm

Quoting scripture is the crutch the ignorant cling to with their guns.

Chad Harris

March 22nd, 2009
4:30 pm

The Supreme Court will hear oral argument at 10 a.m. Tuesday on Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission (08-205). Theodore B . Olson of Washington will argue for Citizens United. Deputy Solicitor General Malcolm L. Stewart will represent the FEC.

Your legal scholars Dave R. and Corporal will treat you to an enlightening analysis of this upcoming oral argument and the case context.

The Corporal

March 22nd, 2009
4:36 pm

To Dave R:

Don’t do it !

The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar

March 22nd, 2009
4:39 pm

Chad, your 4:28PM is succinct and well put.

Salut!

Taxpayer

March 22nd, 2009
4:39 pm

The earth hangs from nothing. That’s right. Now think about that. What would have to be the mentality of people in order to think along those lines. People learn a lot from simple observation. They noted that they were on this thing called earth and that there was a sun and, in the early days, that the earth just hung there in a stationary position while the sun revolved around it. Isn’t that precisely what one would “see” by looking up and watching the sun rise and move across the heavens and disappear out of sight.

Eleanor Rigby

March 22nd, 2009
4:41 pm

I was over at Wooten’s latest. I’m not sure if his point is “children out of wedlock bad” or “welfare bad”. They are mutually exclusive you know. Anyway, I noticed he had 70 comments and here Jay throws up “Talk amongst yourselves …” and gets 88 comments. You go Jay! You’re my hero. I want to be like you when I grow up. :)

The Corporal

March 22nd, 2009
4:48 pm

Taxpayer:

My point was, at that time in world history, the great scientific minds thought the world was flat and was held up by Atlas, four pillars, a huge elephant (or many other things depending on the culture).

I Report/ You Whine

March 22nd, 2009
4:49 pm

A stump broke mouthbreathing moron failure that keys luxury automobiles to take out it’s frustrations will always be a stump broke mouthbreathing moron failure.

And a lib too.

Taxpayer

March 22nd, 2009
4:53 pm

So, how would one that must use simple observation arrive at the conclusion that the earth hangs from nothing. Well, one might observe that when an object is lifted straight up and released, it falls straight down unless it is “pushed” initially in another direction. Then, one might reasonably conclude that all things fall down until they land on something to support them unless they are supported by a rope, for example. Well, the earth is not sitting on something because they walked toward the horizon and never found any evidence of a great saucer. Further, they looked up and around in all directions and never observed a great rope extending into the sky. So, based on these observations, the earth must surely hang from nothing. Mind you, I did not extend that passage to mean that the earth traversed an elliptical orbit about a sun that appears to hang from nothing. No. To do so would assume much more than is written. Now, where is it written that the sun appears to just hang there and that the earth appears to just fly around and around the sun, tethered by an invisible rope. Didn’t they have yo-yos back then to observe.

I Report/ You Whine

March 22nd, 2009
4:55 pm

“OneTerm goes and accuses me of exporting terrorism: the least I can say is that he’s a poor ignoramus; he should read and study a little to understand reality,” said Chavez, who heads a group of left-wing Latin American leaders opposed to the U.S. influence in the region.

And Chavez didn’t even need a teleprompter to say all that!

I guess some bozo socialists are smarter than other bozo socialists, you reckon?

Midori

March 22nd, 2009
4:57 pm

Chad,

the only response your’e going to get from the intellectually challenged will be nothing more than some stupid variations of your name.

It’s almost as if Andy teaches “Idiotic namecalling 101″, and they are all his apt pupils.

that’s all that have.

Pathetic, isn’t it?

The Corporal

March 22nd, 2009
5:06 pm

Taxpayer:

I hear you but the other cultures all got it wrong. They didn’t see it that way simple as your explanation is.

Here’s another one ………..

Isaiah 42:5

“God, the Lord, created the heavens and stretched them out.
He created the earth and everything in it.”

This was written 3,500 +- years ago. I have read that the correct tense in the original Hebrew language was present tense meaning “He continues to stretch them out” as a mor literal translation …………… which is the current theory on the ever expanding universe ….. kind of how a big baloon expands geometrically.
Amazing that was written then.

I’m not asking you to believe. All this tells me is that the Holy Scriptures are more than just man’s mere words ….. they are a special revelation from God for us to accept or discard. Everyone’s choice. I choose to believe them and search them for truth.

Got to run now ………. I’ll check in later this evening.

Taxpayer

March 22nd, 2009
5:17 pm

Corporal,

“Amazing” was a word used likely to describe bolts of fire shooting down from an angry sky and striking a tree and causing it to burst into flames. “Amazing” might have been used to describe fire and brimstone being hurled into the sky from an angry volcano. No. I take that back. The more likely expressions would have been, “It’s a miracle” or “We have made the Gods angry — Repent.” Think about it Corporal. Early scientists were branded as heretics for even suggesting something contradictory to the church’s stated beliefs — beliefs that were most assuredly straight from the Bible.

Dave R

March 22nd, 2009
5:20 pm

Chad, once again, you lose. In a very big way. That is because you can’t take a challenge issued to you in a thoughtful, meaningful, intelligent way – you simply have to rush out and insert your less-than-intelligent foot in your mouth time and time again with insults and name calling, rather than with facts.

Now, pay attention. Very carefully this time.

You said Bush and Cheney should be pursued and incarcerated. Incarcerated being the operative word, here, Chad-baby.

Please cite a statute or law that Bush or Cheney have violated that would require them to be incarcerated. Nebulous “torture and wiretapping” doesn’t cut it, Mr. Legal Eagle.

Call me when you’ve entered the world of the adult, Chad-baby. Sorry I couldn’t hang on your every word, but some of us have yard work to do.

I Report/ You Whine

March 22nd, 2009
5:38 pm

Taxpayer March 22nd, 2009 5:17 pm “Amazing” might have been used to describe fire and brimstone being hurled into the sky from an angry volcano. No. I take that back. The more likely expressions would have been, “It’s a miracle” or “We have made the Gods angry — Repent.”

TP- Thanks for the lesson of how “global warming” came into existence.

I always wondered.

~~~~~

Private- It is pointless to argue Bible interpretation with the liberals, they think that Walt Whitman and his typewriter were present at the Creation.

The Word of God translated by mere humans is a concept that evades them.

Just think, young trooper, these are the same people that worship a teleprompter dependent dunce.

Like that dude said in the Night of the Living Dead “they’re just are all messed up.”