Obama makes sensible offer to Russians
“President Obama has sent a letter to his Russian counterpart that raises the prospect of the United States halting development of its missile defense program in Eastern Europe if Russia helps resolve the threat posed by Iran’s nuclear program, senior administration officials said last night.
Obama’s letter, delivered to Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in mid-February, “covered a number of topics” of mutual interest to the two countries, “including the issue of missile defense and how it relates to the Iranian threat,” a senior administration official said. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the delicacy of the matter.
This official and others said the letter repeated an assertion Obama administration officials have voiced in recent weeks: The missile defense system would not be necessary if the threat posed by Iran’s long-range missiles and its nuclear program was eliminated.”
That’s a smart move. It might not work, but it’s certainly worth the chance.
It has always been a mystery to me why the American taxpayer should be asked to spend tens of billions of dollars building a missile defense system for Europe that the Europeans largely do not want and will not help finance. Why is that our obligation? It is also less than certain that the system would even work.
So if the Obama administration can dump such a system, save the money, force the Europeans to start spending on their own defense and in the process gain crucial Russian support in pressuring Iran, that’s a good deal all around. The alternative — deteriorating relations with Russia, Iran continuing toward a nuclear capability and Europe sitting fat, smug and sassy while we protect it — would be far worse.
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CommunistAJC
March 3rd, 2009
9:19 am
We are in serious trouble.
Bosch
March 3rd, 2009
9:21 am
Jay,
I totally agree. I’ve never understood why we have to foot the bill for that system either.
However, I don’t trust the Russians at all – if anyone would push the button, it would definitely be them. If we are going on history, the Russians have a lot more evidence of total barbarianism, and I think it would be just like them to agree to this and go behind our backs in the meantime.
I Report/ You Whine
March 3rd, 2009
9:21 am
Hehehehehehe-
Russian President Dmitri Medvedev on Tuesday showed willingness to discuss the US-planned missile defence system opposed by Moscow, but without ‘haggling’ linking it to Iran.
president One Term spanked!
TnGelding
March 3rd, 2009
9:26 am
And we can’t afford it.
Brad Steal
March 3rd, 2009
9:27 am
This does not only apply to Europe. Why are we footing the bill to be the defacto police and/or military for dozens of countries and regions around the world? Why do we keep active military bases in places where there strategic use has long ago ceased?
My suspicion is that the military loves its bases and wants to keep them.
B. Steal
Mrs. Godzilla
March 3rd, 2009
9:34 am
Will Rush allow negotiation with Russia over missle defense?
Let’s see…..
BDAtlanta
March 3rd, 2009
9:34 am
OMG, we have a President that is practicing diplomacy?
wow! That is such a cool idea – one that has worked for centuries.
mm
March 3rd, 2009
9:36 am
Commie,
No surprise. You don’t want to spend a dime on Americans, but you support p*ssing away billions in another country. Typical Republican.
Flex
March 3rd, 2009
9:38 am
This is the same missle system that brought down Soviet Union. There are more countries out there that are a threat to the USA than just Iran. How about the Russians or Pakistan or North Korea? And where to you exactly do you want to shoot down enemy missles over New Jersey. The threats of today may not be the threats of tomorrow. We need to protect our country!
Oh by the way Jay Bookman is an idiot.
mike
March 3rd, 2009
9:39 am
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/?hpid=topnews
Looks like Jay and the rest of the liberal media got the memo and of course, folks like Mrs. Godzilla are swallowing it hook, line, and sinker.
You Lie / You Welch
March 3rd, 2009
9:42 am
Commie = I Report / You Whine = “Hussein” references or “One Term” references. He is also Andy – a liar and apparantly a welcher.
I case everyone hasn’t heard. He claims to have gone to Duke where he learned to cut-n-paste and parrot fat people.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 3rd, 2009
9:44 am
Oh and I’ll need some help hugging Rush….he has expanded some since the picture on his website was taken.
Kay
March 3rd, 2009
9:44 am
Mike,
Looks like Jay and the of the liberal media got a brain (Mrs. Godzilla included). The rest of you do whatever Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity tell you to do (Simon Says).
RealityKing
March 3rd, 2009
9:44 am
Iran will get their nuclear missiles.
Europe will not get a missile shield.
And America’s best interests will not be served.
Progressive change you can believe in…
B. Steal
March 3rd, 2009
9:45 am
Flex,
you forgot to mention the WMD’s in Iraq.
RealityKing
March 3rd, 2009
9:46 am
Can you hear that(handtoear)!? Putin is laughing…
Mrs. Godzilla
March 3rd, 2009
9:46 am
Limbaugh/Palin 2012
oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please
mike
March 3rd, 2009
9:50 am
Kay -
Actually, I think Limbaugh is an partisan hack, but that won’t stop you and unthinking partisans from your silly stereotypes.
“National Democratic strategists believe that they have only begun to mine the Limbaugh vein, maintaining that while he is a potent force — and much beloved by the GOP’s conservative base — he is widely disliked by independent and swing voters. In a recent poll by Democratic survey firm Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research, 44 percent of Republicans felt warmly toward Limbaugh while 32 percent expressed “cold” feelings. Compare that to the broader swath of all voters where 58 percent felt coldly toward Limbaugh and 21 percent felt warmly.
Fred Davis, who led Sen. John McCain’s (Ariz.) ad team in 2008, insisted that the attempt to heighten Limbaugh’s profile and tie him around the ankles of other Republicans is “clearly a poll-based effort, and I think it has a couple days of legs.”
Davis may be right but Democrats are convinced that the best way to keep Republicans in a permanent minority status is to keep Limbaugh moving up the Fix’s Line of the ten most influential GOPers in the country. (Self promotion alert!)”"
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/?hpid=topnews
If you can read, you will see that Limbaugh is not that much more popular among Republicans than he is among the total American population, but that is a big if. Most likely you will be as incapable of thinking for yourself as are Rush’s supporters.
Keep on bleating.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 3rd, 2009
9:50 am
“oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please”
No flirting!
Just popping in to tell Paul, if he’s lurking, I replied to him in the previous thread. Have fun, kids.
RealityKing
March 3rd, 2009
9:50 am
And why on earth would Obama need to send love letters to Russia? I mean.., didn’t he campaign on sitting down with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad??
G
March 3rd, 2009
9:51 am
It reminds me of Kennedy’s approach to the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Diplomacy, negotiation, and an honest approach to addressing mutual concerns can, in the end, take us further than ham-fisted rhetoric.
AH
March 3rd, 2009
9:52 am
Anybody who thinks relying on the Russians for our defense is a good idea is either naive or just plain dumb.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 3rd, 2009
9:56 am
Anybody who thinks Obama’s plan is to rely on the Russians for our defense…..well, they need a hug.
I Report/ You Whine
March 3rd, 2009
10:07 am
Get me a ticket for an airplane, ain’t time to take a fast train, lonely days are gone, I’m a comin home, my baby she wrote me a letter-
Asked about a report in the New York Times that U.S. President Barack Obama had written to him offering to back off deploying a new missile system in Eastern Europe in return for help with the Iranians, Medvedev said signals from Washington were positive but the two issues were separate.
“If we are talking about any “swaps” (Iran for missile defence), this is not how the question is being put. This would not be productive,” Medvedev told a news conference in Madrid, where he was on a state visit.
ew
Observer
March 3rd, 2009
10:10 am
Diplomacy is a wonderful concept and works in many political arenas but it doesn’t apply to every situation. If Obama agrees to withdraw the missile defense system in exchange for Russia’s help with Iran, we lose. That’s because Iran will probably TELL the Russians they will cease their nuclear program while continuing in an underground fashion (history supports this presumption). Meanwhile, we will actually dismantle our missile defense program making us more vulnerable to future attack. Once Obama (or his successor) discovers he’s been played by the Russians, it will be too late.
But hey, it will only have cost the security of the country. No big deal.
NATIONAL SECURITY IS NOT A BARGAINING CHIP! The fact that our current president doesn’t realize this is frightening.
Paul
March 3rd, 2009
10:10 am
Brad Steal
[[My suspicion is that the military loves its bases and wants to keep them]]
I think history shows the military adapts to whatever the civilian leadership imposes. My guess is the politicians like it – or don’t want to weather the attacks over “OMG WE’RE AT WAR AND YOU WANT TO CUT DEFENSE!!!”
Mrs. Gidzilla
[[Limbaugh/Palin 2012]]
Please don’t do that while I’m eating…
DB, Gwinnettian
And I replied to you in the previous thread!
Fun? They’ve been given a great topic and they reverted to Rush…
Mrs. Godzilla
March 3rd, 2009
10:17 am
Paul
Sorry.
Observer
March 3rd, 2009
10:17 am
Obama may be clueless in matters of national security but it appears that he made it through the day yesterday without spending billions of dollars we don’t have. Maybe he’s learning fiscal constraint.
Counting down the days to the mid-term elections.
Paul
March 3rd, 2009
10:21 am
Good topic. Several interlinking issues. First, Russia is the prime agent in the developing Iranian nuclear program. They flat do not see Iran as a threat – to them. Threat to anyone else? That’s their problem (that’s the reality of internation relations). Russia is making – let’s see, from design, construction, tech reps, what’re we up to, two? three? anti-air missile systems? parts, more reps… well if not hundreds and hundreds of millions, likely over a billion. And with their collapsed revenue stream from oil and natural gas, they’ve defaulted to military-type sales to bolster their economic situation.
The missile systems, I think, were not just a defense from rogue state missile launches. They are a way for former Soviet republics and eastern European nations to solidify their separation from Russia. Which Russia doesn’t like. There’s a lot of symbolism there and that’s why we’re willing to pay to make it happen.
And the above is why, as Report/Whine pointed out, the Russians may not find it in their interest to accept the Obama Administration’s linkage. Currency and established influence in the Persian Gulf to counter American influence, or drop a missile program when other avenues exist to influence neighboring countries?
But I do think it was a good move on Pres Obama’s part. Gotta ask the questions. The Russian response, though, (no linkage) may bring a dose of realpolitik. Rather like how the NATO countries have pledged tens of thousands more troops for the NATO mission in Afghanistan. Wait, they haven’t?
So the other interesting question is, where does the Administration go from there?
Bosch
March 3rd, 2009
10:24 am
Mrs. G.,
I agree with the Limbaugh/Palin 2012 ticket. I’d go to rallies and everything. What a ……. joy that would be!
Paul,
“Don’t do that while I’m eating.” Funny. Hey, did you see Luckovich’s cartoon today? It’s pretty funny. I like “Guy with Sign” – my kind of humor.
rushia forever
March 3rd, 2009
10:28 am
russia shumsha.
Rush is the real super power.
Bosch
March 3rd, 2009
10:31 am
Paul,
Good points. We’ve had this discussion before, but I don’t sit around thinking about getting nuked all the time, because I think it’s highly unlikely, but if it did happen, it would have Russia’s name on it as it dropped.
Obama has kind of put the ball in their court – but as my German friends have noted (Germans – not real big fans of Russians to say the least – I won’t repeat what they say in case there are children present) they are the biggest threat to us all.
You don’t frak around with Russians – and most of the time, they frak you when you’re not looking just for pure fun – hell, it’s cold there, they have to have something to entertain themselves while they are guzzling all that potato whisky.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 3rd, 2009
10:40 am
Bosch
I’d bake cookies for rallies…..
Bosch
March 3rd, 2009
10:41 am
Jay,
Can I send you or the AJC the bill from my therapist? I think I’ll need at least two to three sessions to get that mental image of Rush dancing around in the Egyptian garb from Joseph and TATD out of my head, not to mention the nightmares.
Taxpayer
March 3rd, 2009
10:44 am
Don’t make fun of Wodka. Commie might get upset and sic Boris and Natasha on you.
Redneck Convert
March 3rd, 2009
10:44 am
Well, long as I got my two machine guns and rocket launcher–for hunting and self-defense–I ain’t going to worry about Russia or Iran neither. I just wish they would pass a carry law for the machine guns. You can bet nobody would come close to the line at Ryans and try and get in front of the missus if I was there with a machine gun barrel sticking out of my coveralls.
I’m still stocking up on food for when the big war comes and the Terrists come after me. I won’t be going down easy. This Obama may let a war start but rednecks like me will finish it. Anyhow, it’s stupid to count on a bunch of Commies to keep their word. Have a good day everybody.
getalife
March 3rd, 2009
10:50 am
Nice try but doubt China and Russia will throw away their Iran/Iraq oil card.
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
March 3rd, 2009
10:50 am
G 9:51 am
The ignorance (and pure gall) of liberal revisionism never ceases to amaze me. There was no dimplomacy in the Cuban Missile Crisis; it was pure draw down. There was no “ask nicely”, no “negotiation”; it was pure remove the missiles or it is war – that was the message.
Perhaps, since most liberals received several swirlies during the high school years, this story will help you all to understand.
You have an eleven inch neck and you have to carry your lunch money for the week to school on each Monday morning. When you buy lunch, a mid-level bully (Iran) notices that you pay with a $20 each week. Next Monday morning he intercepts you on the way to school and makes you fork over the $20, so you seek help from the bully (Russia) at the top of the bullying period and ask him to protect you from the mid-level bully. The top-tier Bully senses your weakness, so he is not going to protect you, rather he senses your weakness and decides to take advantage of you.
Another boneheaded and naive move by Obama, but it probably won’t work out much worse than his verbal trashing of the economy and small businessman has worked on the stock market.
G-d help us all; maybe we can surve 47 more months of this dufus.
Buzzfan
March 3rd, 2009
10:53 am
Funny that Russia’s the topic, as for awhile now I’ve been having flashbacks to the reallocation of the square meters in the Moscow home of the Gromekos by the Bolshevik “residency committee” in “Doctor Zhivago”.
Wonder what brought that on?
Hillbilly Deluxe
March 3rd, 2009
10:53 am
I do not trust any Russian. As soon as a Russian worms his way in, all hell breaks loose. Karl Marx
Curious Observer
March 3rd, 2009
11:01 am
“There was no dimplomacy in the Cuban Missile Crisis; it was pure draw down. There was no “ask nicely”, no “negotiation”; it was pure remove the missiles or it is war – that was the message.”
Wrong, Wyld Byll. The negotiations occurred behind the scenes. JFK agreed to remove missiles in Turkey if Russia would remove the missiles in Cuba. And that’s what happened.
BDAtlanta
March 3rd, 2009
11:07 am
It’s all a game that sometimes ends up in war. You play the game by feeling each other out. That’s called Diplomacy and people have been doing it since the first two cavemen both came across a dead wooly mammoth at the same time.
If the response from the Russkies had been different, all of you neocons/Limbaugh-worshippers would be singing a different tune. It’s one hand in a game.
Imagine how many of those hands get played out weekly that we never hear about…
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
March 3rd, 2009
11:09 am
Curious Observer 11:01 am
You need to speak with those who were around the table and read a reliable (and not revisionist history.)There was no quid pro quo with respct to Turkish and Cuban missiles, rather, after a strong asnd direct message, Turkish missiles were a way for Russia to save face.
Taxpayer
March 3rd, 2009
11:12 am
BD, A dead woolly mammoth! What did they do when they came across a live one? Throw one another to the wolves like the Republicans. Wait for the bigger creature to kill off one and then feast on the left-overs like the Republicans. What? WHAT?
Dusty
March 3rd, 2009
11:12 am
Well, the Democrats are making great choices for Republicans next election. I think I will make one too. Here’s to a MICHELE OBAMA and HILARY CLINTON Democratic ticket (if they have paid their taxes which is doubtful). Think of the beauty of that pair with the brainy, sexy expresidents behind them, way behind.
Yep..that’s it… MICHELE O HIL Dem ticket… or if you prefer HIL MICHELE O Dem ticket. Fashion designers would be commiting suicide without help but not to worry. Jane Fonda would sponsor them right away and Cindy Sheehan would help too. It’s a done deal. MICHELE O HIL for the DEMOCRATS. First female presidents!!!! DEMOCRATS to break the GENDER WALL!!!! MICHELE O HIL !!!!!!
Observer
March 3rd, 2009
11:13 am
It seems our president, Mr. Diplomacy, has managed to snub our biggest political ally. Keep up the good work Mr. President. Keep up the good work.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1158395/Downing-St-left-embarrassed-President-Obama-scales-meeting-Brown.html
BDAtlanta
March 3rd, 2009
11:13 am
So, I guess Wild Bill was there….and, dag-nab-it, his version of history is the correct one.
End of conversation.
Paul
March 3rd, 2009
11:17 am
Bosch
That Lucko was clever.
I’m not so sure. Russians showed restraint all thru the Cold War – then again, our policy then was, you launch we launch everything (preemption?). You hit us with anything, we launch all at you. They had the same doctine regarding us. And we believed each other.
Busy day today, but I’m not sure other nations/leaders/groups have that restraint. Or the fear we’d massively retaliate. So the calculation – especially ten, twenty years down the road, would be ‘do we have deniability through a third party?”
In many ways the situation not too far into the future could be constructed as more risky than the 50s.
But that still doesn’t mean you don’t frak with the Russians. Or think they see things the way we do.
BDAtlanta
March 3rd, 2009
11:19 am
Taxpayer,
Depends on their speed. If they were fast, yeah, I’d wait behind the rocks and let the animals duke it out. I think that’s called survival… (but I’m sure some on here would be manly and rush out there with a sharpened pole – anything else would be sissy man liberal)
If they were slow, you could team up on them one by one….kinda like what goes on here by us Libs every day.
Sam
March 3rd, 2009
11:20 am
While the Dow plummets towards 5000, Quick!, the White House has released next week’s social calendar:
Mon night: Bolshevik night – Barry and Michelle hosting Putin as he puts some judo moves on Barry over missile defense
Tues night: Democratic Plastic Surgery Support Group, moderated by Barry and Michelle. Starring, “Stretch” Pelosi, “Plugs” Biden, and Diane “Franken” Feinstein
Wed night: Back by popular demand! Festival Night part deux – Barney Frank once again kneeling and bobbing for…….you guessed it, apples
Fri night: NBA double header of course for Barry
Phone calls will not be answered. All messages will be forwarded to voicemail. Please do not hang up, your message will be returned in the order received. All matters of national security needs to be sent to the adults at the CIA
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
March 3rd, 2009
11:23 am
BDAtlanta 11:13 am
No, I was not. However, during sophmore year in the ivy covered halls, I did take a seminar taught by one who was at the table. Quite clear on the point that Turkey was not a material negotiating point.
RealityKing
March 3rd, 2009
11:25 am
Putin’s sensible response…., “Iran and the missle shield aren’t related and we won’t connect them”
julio quintana
March 3rd, 2009
11:25 am
why waste the time, Obama is already bending over and grabbing his ankles.
Common practice in the “hood
ObamaBlows
March 3rd, 2009
11:26 am
Libs are so dim. So as Obama has plans to raise the marginal tax rate higher for those earning greater than $250K, once again the earners/producers have shown why they will survive.
Those earning bet 250-300 (which are a significant portion)are now planning to reduce income below 250 to pay less taxes going to the consumers(leeches). Example, Lawyers and doctors in that range will decrease the number of clients. Buisiness owners will decrease productivity and layoff some workers…..Net result, less anticipated tax revenues and increased unemployment. Why work harder to give to the government.
Libs….no rocket scientist
RealityKing
March 3rd, 2009
11:27 am
Obviously Obama is a moron. I mean…, at least Sarah can see Russia from her house.
BDAtlanta
March 3rd, 2009
11:29 am
Hmm, the Gordon Brown snubbing isn’t in the US papers. Just the British ones?
Brown will keep a smile on his face….otherwise we’ll sick Mel Gibson on them.
Observer
March 3rd, 2009
11:38 am
Since the liberals and conservatives can never seem to get along on this board, I propose the following divorce settlement:
Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists,
Marxists and Obama supporters, et al:
We have stuck together since the late 1950’s, but the whole of this
latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I
know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future
generations, but sadly, this relationship has run its course. Our two
ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is
right so let’s just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk
it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.
Here is a model separation agreement:
Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each
taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our
two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be
relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly
divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate
tastes.
We don’t like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are
welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. Since you hate guns and
war, we’ll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. You
can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O’Donnell (You are, however,
responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all
three of them).
We’ll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical
companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have your beloved
homeless, homeboys, hippies and illegal aliens. We’ll keep the hot
Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO’s and rednecks. We’ll keep the Bibles
and give you NBC and Hollywood.
You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we’ll retain the right
to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the
peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are
under assault, we’ll help provide them security.
We’ll keep our Judeo-Christian values.. You are welcome to Islam,
Scientology, Humanism and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N..
but we will no longer be paying the bill.
We’ll keep the SUVs, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can
take every Subaru station wagon you can find.
You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing
doctors. We’ll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a
right. We’ll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National
Anthem. I’m sure you’ll be happy to substitute Imagine, I’d Like to
Teach the World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are the World.
We’ll practice trickle down economics and you can give trickle up
poverty your best shot. Since it often so offends you, we’ll keep our
history, our name and our flag.
In the spirit of friendly parting, I’ll bet you ANWAR
which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 3rd, 2009
11:43 am
Observer, what’s “ANWAR?”
Also, the Google tells me: Results 1 – 10 of about 1,330 for “You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies and illegal aliens”. (0.79 seconds)
Taxpayer
March 3rd, 2009
11:46 am
In the meantime, we’ll take our roads and bridges and dams and hydroelectric power and school buildings and government buildings that we’ve already paid for. By the way, it’s your responsibility to figure out how to give us back the 11 trillion dollars that you have already spent that belongs to us along with all of that infrastructure of ours that is on “your” land….Then, we can start working on the hard stuff. The stuff that involves the oil companies and the ports and other such items.
AmVet
March 3rd, 2009
11:47 am
Off topic, from downstairs. Others please do disregard if you so choose.
Thanks for the warning Dave.
If you believe that GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION is the cause of this financial debacle, I feel sorry for you. I truly do. The truth, not surprisingly, is damn near the opposite.
I could provide enormous information (as I have done previously on this post) that I have researched, such as detailing the eight different levels of the private sector and government that were paid to look the other way.
Or how the crooks and swindlers on Wall Street created false values, then extracted profits that didn’t exist and how they ultimately paid our representatives, who were supposed to be protecting us, to play dumb.
I could explain to you the three principles of capitalism and how these corrupted capitalists and robber barons have voided them.
I could outline how the non-patriotic multi-nationals and their flunkies on Wall Street have ignored the rules of law and economic justice. (TAKE DOWN THAT GIANT US FLAG, YOU THIEVES!)
I could (and will!) quote the Dallas Fed. Reserve Chair who called it “a sustained orgy of excess and speculative behavior.”
I could explain how American worker productivity has doubled since 1973, yet 80% of Americans earn less (in value) than they did then. I could outline corporate welfare and how corporations are enormously rewarded for screwing the sovereign people. I could show you why 75% of Americans think they have too much control.
I could explain to you how credit swaps and derivatives work and how they, as much as anything, led to this implosion.
I could list the numerous known players who are culpable.
I could show you how this meltdown was ultimately caused by unfathomable GREED and enormous, concentrated, unregulated power. Read that again slowly, Dave R.
I could then explain to you how King George and the Congressional Democrats locked out and sold out the American people with this closed-door bailout.
I could you show how your second-favorite criminal, Dick Cheney lied when he said, “No one saw this coming.”
But all of this and MUCH more would not inform you in the slightest.
You’re gonna stick to your guns and assert that Cadillac-driving welfare queens with nine kids who bought beyond their means are the sole reason for these crimes.
So go on, keep using sound bites and slogans and hang onto that desperately hate and disregard for liberals, even when they know of what they speak.
G
March 3rd, 2009
11:47 am
Kennedy used diplomacy to get us out of a nuclear war back in 1962. He was thought by some to be too young and inexperienced but if it was not for the diplomacy and his unwillingness to start a war, all of us wouldn’t be here today.
I’m sure if he had no other choice he would have blown Cuba off the face of the earth. Given the same choices and situation I’m sure President Obama will do the same thing.
I would hope all of you would prefer peace instead of war.
Those who can’t think fight. Have you ever met a smart bully?
Don’t get it twisted now, I have no problem with this country defending itself. I just hope all forms of diplomacy have been exhausted first.
Observer
March 3rd, 2009
11:48 am
Sorry. I just had that emailed to me and couldn’t resist posting it. Time to go into a meeting. You guys can negotiate the finer points of the settlement without me.
RealityKing
March 3rd, 2009
11:49 am
Apparently Joe Biden is still looking for that Russian relationship reset button..
Tommy Lee Maddox
March 3rd, 2009
11:50 am
Blown off by the Russians? Gee!
I guess the only world leaders that will listen to our new President are those who are looking for a handout.
Now, how was it that the Russians got rich all of a sudden? Well gee again – they drilled their own oil and started earning petol-dollars. Go figure that one…
DB, Gwinnettian
March 3rd, 2009
11:52 am
I believe that thing copy/pasted @ 11.38 was actually…Paul Harvey’s last will and testament.
And now you know… the rest of the story.
RealityKing
March 3rd, 2009
11:52 am
Kennedy sold out 3 generations of Cubans.., and counting.
RealityKing
March 3rd, 2009
12:00 pm
Putin’s response illustrates just how naive Obama really is.., not to mention Jay and the rest of the progressively corrupt media that also considered this a sensible foreign policy offer.
Now watch as the poltical backpeddling begins on this offer..
DB, Gwinnettian
March 3rd, 2009
12:01 pm
So other than those who are pre-programmed to assume the worst/weakest of Obama, is there anyone who seriously believes this wasn’t a diplomatic path worth pursuing?
AmVet
March 3rd, 2009
12:02 pm
JB, you write, “It has always been a mystery to me why the American taxpayer should be asked to spend tens of billions of dollars building a missile defense system for Europe that the Europeans largely do not want and will not help finance. Why is that our obligation? It is also less than certain that the system would even work.”
Five words – The corporate control of America.
Ike was right – the industrial-military complex. And as long as our government is beholding to it’s monied masters, this will never change.
Until we take back power.
DB, Gwinnettian
March 3rd, 2009
12:03 pm
Oh, and a follow-up–anyone here think that we should take a published report of the Russians’ response as anything more than window dressing?
Chad Harris
March 3rd, 2009
12:06 pm
Russia has limited influence on Iran–not going to happen.
Bosch
March 3rd, 2009
12:18 pm
DB,
They hate it when you bust ‘em for plagarism – the usual response is they run off the board. I hate plagarism. The wingnutters are real good at copy and pasting off their ditto boards that tell them what to think.
Paul,
Sometimes historical perspectives are useful tools, but things aren’t the same as they were back during the Cold War – more players, more at stake.
They are kind of like listening to the wingnuttiest amongst us – whatever they say – usually the exact opposite is the reality.
Bosch
March 3rd, 2009
12:21 pm
Taxpayer,
Me? Make fun of Wodka? Surely you jest my good man.
Mrs. G.,
Those uranium sprinkled sugar cookies you make are my favorites.
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
March 3rd, 2009
12:22 pm
G 11:47 am
It is beyond naive to think that “jess wordts” from Kennedy resolved the CMC; it was the Soviet knowledge that he would pull the trigger that resolved it.
Putin has jus had a look into Kunte’s eyes/soul and he saw WEAKNESS. Russia will go on a rampage now.
GodHatesRush'sTeats
March 3rd, 2009
12:28 pm
Let’s spend more money we don’t have on more missiles to protect people that don’t want our protection.
(AmVet, Salute!)
TnGelding
March 3rd, 2009
12:28 pm
Wyld Byll Hyltnyr
March 3rd, 2009
12:22 pm
Bigger than the one we’re on? I don’t think so. We need to work closely with them to improve the lives of the Russian people. They deserve better. O! is tough as nails. Just ask Johnny Mac and el Rusho.
RCH
March 3rd, 2009
12:33 pm
O yeah, let’s placate the Russians, they are so honorable and always do what they promise.
Keep fiddling,Jay!
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
March 3rd, 2009
12:37 pm
I spent last week in Dixie, with its thousands of square miles of McMansions.
It’s pretty obvious what the problem with the economy is – the McMansions were never ever worth what you paid for them, and they never will be, because GOP economic policy makes sure that most people will never make enough $$ to buy them.
Dave R
March 3rd, 2009
12:40 pm
Hey, “three degrees” Taxpayer!
Sorry to burst your “who paid for what” bubble, but since we ALL paid for that infrastructure, we get to divide it among ourselves as well. However, since those of us who earn paid for more of the infrastructure than those of you who leeched off of us for all these years, we’ll be magnanimous and allow you to keep the portion we paid for, so long as you never, ever darken our door again.
Mrs. Godzilla
March 3rd, 2009
12:41 pm
Depleted uranium…..the very tip top of the food pyramid.
AmVet
March 3rd, 2009
12:41 pm
GHT, we only spend as much on our military budget as the rest of the planet COMBINED! Eight times bigger than Red China’s. During FY 2008, the U.S. government spent nearly $800,000,000,000.00 on defense and homeland security, approximately 30% of tax collections. (it is actually about 50% more than that when counting additional DoD funding and funding of other federal military departments.)
And Obama and the goose-stepping neoliths want even more!
They lament government spending but are surprising (or not) deaf,dumb and blind kids when it comes to this bloated, wasteful DoD budget and the associated hidden costs for their contractors/overlords…
As I’ve said before, hey! It’s not like we could do anything else with that $14,000,000 we spend every hour in Iraq…
mm
March 3rd, 2009
12:44 pm
Observer,
We’ll take the small businesses. Without them, there IS no economy. Trying to educate a wingnut is like trying to teach an earthworm the alphabet.
Bosch
March 3rd, 2009
12:44 pm
AmVet,
Yeah, I have to salute you too for that @12:02
GHT@ 12:37,
Amen. Folks down here like living in big ol’ houses that aren’t built much better than a house for a movie set because like the movies, they live in make believe and think that is what what makes them successful and worthy.
Bosch
March 3rd, 2009
12:46 pm
Mrs. G.,
I thought it was the straight up uranium you used on the sugar cookies, and the depleted was for the cannolis – my bad, but whatever you do – they are yummy!
DB, Gwinnettian
March 3rd, 2009
12:47 pm
Bosch wrote:
“The wingnutters are real good at copy and pasting off their ditto boards ”
Disagree. They’re terrible at it. If they were any good at it, they’d take five minutes and re-cast the thing to dumb it down to something that sounds like they could’ve composed the thing themselves, if the actual intent were to make us believe that.
The effect of such copy/pastes from forwarded emails is to discount anything that might be forthcoming from such purveyors as Teh Stoopit.
Remember The Corporal? Remember anything even remotely intelligent that he composed all by his lonesome? Didn’t think so.
meanwhile…Our resident white supremacist gave us:
“Putin has jus had a look into Kunte’s eyes/soul ”
Stay classy, Wyld.
Dave R
March 3rd, 2009
12:51 pm
AmVet? Why don’t you answer topics on the right thread? Never mind. Stupid is as stupid does.
And what you have posted has never been confused with facts or the truth. It is just plain old hatred and ranting. You never provide backup to your assertions, you cite “opinion” without first taking into consideration the source.
“Crooks and swindlers”, “robber barons and corruption”, “greed and economic justice” are just punch-lines in the mantra of the left who can’t get by without those of us who provide them the jobs that allow them to have one of the highest standards of living ever known to mankind, then spit on the very people who provide those jobs.
You and your kind are beneath pity. And beneath contempt.
I don’t care where Observer got that piece he posted. It is time to separate ourselves from each other. You aren’t Americans anymore; not the Americans who founded this country, not the Americans who died for this country, and not the Americans who can fix this country of everything the rest of you screwed up in the past 80 years.
CommunistAJC
March 3rd, 2009
12:54 pm
Bookman,
is Obama gonna show Pooty Put his hook shot? Because that’s the only thing Obama really knows how to do.
CommunistAJC
March 3rd, 2009
12:55 pm
Maybe Obama could invite Putin to the White House for an ABBA concert. You know, seeing as how Putin loves ABBA and Obama likes to entertain rather than run the country. The fiddle plays on, comrades!
RW-(the original)
March 3rd, 2009
12:55 pm
I’m going to need a transcript, but the gist of what PresBO just said in addressing the stock market is that it is not really something to pay attention to because the DOW is just something that bobs up and down. Really?
God help us!
Jay B,
The missile defense system in Eastern Europe isn’t just us spending stacks of money to protect them. It’s a convenient place for us to take a first shot at a warhead aimed at us.
DB,
I was a little disappointed in that crying jag you had downstairs about my calling you names. I’m sure I’ve been guilty a time or two, but I’ve really only called you by names you’ve posted as with slight variations such as nanny or jaybot when I feel like teasing you over either playing monitor or overly sucking up. I realize you were chiding someone for calling me a Nazi, but really, how bad have the names I’ve called you been? What’s funny is it’s acceptable to call someone a Nazi here, when much milder fare gets taken down.
Bosch
March 3rd, 2009
12:56 pm
DB,
I stand corrected. That’s true. Or they could take two seconds and cite the source.
blue girl in a red state
March 3rd, 2009
12:58 pm
AmVet @ 11:47
BRAVO!! BRAVO!! Well said.
Dave R
March 3rd, 2009
1:02 pm
Only if you are delusional, blue girl.
RW-(the original)
March 3rd, 2009
1:05 pm
Bosch,
The undisputed lightweight plagiarism champion around here is amvet and he’s as liberal as you.
Taxpayer
March 3rd, 2009
1:06 pm
Is there even such a critter as a Republican that uses facts to support a claim. I’ve yet to see one. They just whine. Soory, Jay. I could not help myself. There’s just so much whining from these little cry babies that a person can listen too without bringing it up. One of them likes to whine so much that he made it part of his label. Poor, pitiful, Republicans. Awwwww. Then again, they are a cheap source of amusement.
Eric
March 3rd, 2009
1:06 pm
Couldn’t agree with you more, Jay! Good article.
CommunistAJC
March 3rd, 2009
1:08 pm
Hillary Clinton puts America on collision course with Israel as she pledges to press for Palestinian state
By Liz Hazelton
Hillary Clinton put America on a collision course with Israel today after pledging to press for a Palestinian state.
The U.S. Secretary of State’s position brings her into conflict with the Israeli Prime Minister-designate Benjamin Netanyahu.
Although Netanyahu has spoken of Palestinian self-government, he has shied away from a two-state solution to the Middle East conflict.
401k
March 3rd, 2009
1:10 pm
Republicans are cowards that embrace war and voilence as long as it involves someone else . Rush is a great selection to be the leader of the cowardly republican chickenhawks
mm
March 3rd, 2009
1:10 pm
LOL. Now the wingnuts think they own all of the companies in this country. We already know they think all Dems are on welfare. I laugh about that everytime I see my big fat PAYCHECK hit my checking account. And when I drive around in my 2 brand new paid for cars. And when I step foot inside my brand new almost piad for McMansion.
Yep, us poh peoples needs us a handout. Idiots.
CommunistAJC
March 3rd, 2009
1:11 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1158870/Hillary-Clinton-puts-America-collision-course-Israel-pledges-press-Palestinian-state.html
ObamaBlows
March 3rd, 2009
1:11 pm
Dow down 10% since inauguration day, 25% since election
Own it, Barry!