Time is ripe for revolution

A lot of pundits, commentators and politicians are expressing amazement at the scope of ambition revealed by President Obama’s budget proposal. And for good reason.

However, they’re also expressing doubt that he can pull it all off, also for good reason. But I was struck by some numbers I ran across yesterday while researching health care issues and public support for reform.

In a nationwide poll conducted earlier this month by the Kaiser Family Foundation, 46 percent of Americans said they had a great deal of confidence in Obama’s leadership in health care reform. Only 23 percent said they had a great deal of confidence in congressional Democrats to lead that reform; 21 percent said they had a great deal of confidence in professional groups such as the American Medical Association; only 12 percent had a great deal of confidence in labor unions.

And congressional Republicans?

Seven percent.

Numbers like that give Obama a lot of running room.

139 comments Add your comment

Hillbilly Deluxe

February 27th, 2009
11:28 am

What I read from this is that 54% don’t have faith in any of our leaders. Me included.

G

February 27th, 2009
11:31 am

I’m surprised congressional Rushpublicans polled that high. The retards.

getalife

February 27th, 2009
11:32 am

Yeah, he is going for it while his numbers are high.

Those crazy kids of the right are having tea parties following Rick’s rant.

Of course, they are not protesting the banker’s greed like the rest of the world.

They are okay with Wall Street greed.

Sad.

BDAtlanta

February 27th, 2009
11:36 am

Boy, the GOPers are really angry on the boards these days. They sound like somebody took away their precious tax cuts.

Not enough Midori hugs to go around?

Taxpayer

February 27th, 2009
11:41 am

Well, Jay, Republicans are not well known for trying to save lives. They’re more interested in preemption. Of course, this comment will likely pull out one of the right wing fringe with the stupid comments about fighting for truth justice and the abortion-free American way. Yup, more of the same from the minority party. They have not accomplished a single thing regarding reducing abortions and infant mortality rates have increased under the watch of the Republicans. They have let more kids die and then they don’t even fess up to it. Instead, they throw out meaningless soundbites like “I believe in family values”. We are on to you, minority party.

Copyleft

February 27th, 2009
11:43 am

Good thing he’s working on the healthcare project now, while he’s got the support (or rather, the reverse-disgust at the Republicans) to use.

Healthcare reform is going to tick off a LOT of powerful corporate interests and their lobbyists, who will be putting incredible pressure on Congress to weaken, distort, or outright block it.

Americans want this change to happen; let’s hope Obama’s influence and public opinion are enough to clear the hurdle of insurance-industry obstructionism and actually MAKE this change happen.

rcs

February 27th, 2009
11:44 am

What’s the percentage of American’s that even want Health Care Reform? Do they know what they’re asking for and what there likely to receive?

Truth

February 27th, 2009
11:44 am

The problem is that if none of this works and the economy gets worse and worse, the librals will still vote for more Obama and more big government… It is so sad.

BDAtlanta

February 27th, 2009
11:45 am

No plan is perfect.

I’m middle class and I like what Big O is selling. Your mileage may vary.

He should accomplish some of his goals, fall short on some, and fall flat on his face on others.

But you gotta shoot if you want to score. Doing much of nothing while handing out tax breaks to the campaign-contributing classes to keep them smiling won’t get us out of this situation.

G

February 27th, 2009
11:48 am

We have a government, we pay taxes… we should have basic services, like health care. ’nuff said. It’s simple.

Jay

February 27th, 2009
11:49 am

RCS, another of the questions asked whether it was more important than ever to enact health care reform, or whether the economic crisis has made reform unaffordable.

Unaffordable now: 34 percent
More important than ever: 62 percent.

RealityKing

February 27th, 2009
11:52 am

Of course 46% of Americans have puppy dog eyes for Obama. Down from last month..

rcs

February 27th, 2009
11:55 am

Thank you Jay. Perhaps my head is in the sand because for the past 15 years my employer pays 100% of my health care.

Jay

February 27th, 2009
11:57 am

Yeah RCS, but every week hundreds of thousands of Americans are being shoved out into the jobless, insurance-less cold.

Taxpayer

February 27th, 2009
12:00 pm

Certainly, some options for health-care reform are not very affordable given the current state of the economy. Then again, I’m not sure that Obama ever was touting some sort of government funded and mandated one size fits all healthcare. I heard him say that he wants to make sure that everyone has access and that we have to find ways to make it affordable because it is just plain out of control. So, we should be looking at things like cutting out paperwork costs as well as offering more practical catastrophic health care plans, etc. The free market needs to be pushed in a direction that better serves we the people rather than the greedy few in the corporations. They need to come back down to earth. Then, we the people need to take better care of ourselves and we need to be turning away from junk such as colas and twinkies and exercising more. We should all have to pedal in order to generate the power for our PCs and laptops for starters.

Mrs. Godzilla

February 27th, 2009
12:07 pm

If you read the comments at The Free Republic there’s lots of talk about revolution – and not the good kind.

Those Freepers need a hug too.

gttim

February 27th, 2009
12:09 pm

The hardcore republicans in my corporation want healthcare reform- single payer. They are tired of being in the healthcare business for their employees. Plus, our company has an aging workforce and the healthcare costs are eating us alive.

The only companies making money with private healthcare are the HMOs and big Pharm.

Obama is putting out so many changes right now, that the right cannot get their talking points together. Their is just too much stuff to coordinate. The announcement today of Obama getting ready to nix the so-called “conscience rule” should have more wingnuts scrambling around with their heads exploding!

Truth

February 27th, 2009
12:11 pm

G wrote: We have a government, we pay taxes… we should have basic services, like health care. ’nuff said. It’s simple.

Healthcare is not a right. It’s simple.

RW-(the original)

February 27th, 2009
12:12 pm

Does “research” around here ever go beyond finding an opinion poll?

I like the response to the question about whether they were following the discussion.

Very closely 23%

How many would be paying attention today if they found out nearly $700,000,000,000.00 of their tax dollars was earmarked yesterday as a down payment on “free” health care.

rcs

February 27th, 2009
12:13 pm

Yes Jay, and one day it may be me.

Midori

February 27th, 2009
12:13 pm

unfortunately BD, they don’t want my hugs. All they want to do is fight. and gripe. and b*tch. and whine. and moan. and lie.

Mike

February 27th, 2009
12:13 pm

Apparently Jay is doing more poll cherry picking.

Question 11 asks “Who do you trust to do a better job handling health care reform?”

President Obama 47
The Republicans in Congress 17
The Democrats in Congress 12
(VOL.) None of these 11
(VOL.) All of these 5
(DO NOT READ) Don’t know/Refused 7

The above question demonstrates that Jay is right about Obama having a lot of running room. It is just kind of funny how Jay skipped over this question to find the one that reflected on Republicans most negatively.

Another interesting poll result that Jay chose not to highlight is # 13 which asked “Which comes closer to your opinion?”

If policymakers made the right changes, they
could reform the health care system without
spending more money to do it 58%
To make any real reforms to the health care
system, policymakers will need to spend more
money, either by raising taxes, taking from
other programs or increasing the deficit 36%
(DO NOT READ) Don’t know/Refused 6%

Since the poll was taken prior to Obama’s announcement that he will pay for health care reform by “raising taxes, taking from other programs or increasing the deficit”, we might expect that trust in Obama’s ability to handle this reform will drop.

But hey, Jay isn’t here to provide serious analysis. He is here to push partisan propaganda.

OK, you can call me names now.

Taxpayer

February 27th, 2009
12:13 pm

Mrs. G,

They need to be put on a deserted island where they can live their tax free zero government lifestyle in peace.

Mike

February 27th, 2009
12:14 pm

Midori -

“All they want to do is fight. and gripe. and b*tch. and whine. and moan. and lie.”

And this is different from you how?

Brad Steal

February 27th, 2009
12:16 pm

7%? Is that it? I would think the wack-job number could yield better than 7%. The GOP deterioration apperas even more dire than it seemed. Maybe the Bush disasters and insipid Reagan myths are seeing the full light of day.

Or maybe the Republican free-market solution to health care CAN work. The Republican solution is simple, America. Be self-sufficient, work hard, be self-reliant, don’t look to the government for any help, let the free market work, let the invisible hand give you your prostate exam with its invisible finger, and most importantly:

The solution: DON’T GET SICK!

Midori

February 27th, 2009
12:16 pm

Mrs. G,

also at Free Republic – they are trying to form a support group for this marine who has been charged with threatening Obama’s life: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2195404/posts

BDAtlanta

February 27th, 2009
12:17 pm

It’s nice to see the emphasis on preventive care. What we have focused on for far too long was reactive care – trying to solve the problem after it develops.

Midori

February 27th, 2009
12:17 pm

ah Mike,

my very own Exhibit A……

Mrs. Godzilla

February 27th, 2009
12:21 pm

Midori

I saw that…..

Mike

February 27th, 2009
12:22 pm

Midori -

That’s super, but can you answer my question? Even if, as you claim, ““all I want to do is fight. and gripe. and b*tch. and whine. and moan. and lie”, what makes you different?

Simple question. Your inability to provide an answer speaks volumes.

getalife

February 27th, 2009
12:23 pm

Group hug Mike.

Mike

February 27th, 2009
12:25 pm

getalife -

I am sorry that my post based on the very poll Jay cited offended you so much. Was it because I used facts or because I didn’t call anyone names? Or was it both?

rcs

February 27th, 2009
12:26 pm

Midori, my fellow Eagles fan, have you found the Ben & Jerry’s Yes Pecan Ice Cream? I looked in Kroger and Publix but did not see it.

BDAtlanta

February 27th, 2009
12:26 pm

The vote for healthcare is simple. look at in terms of having kids:

If you have a child, that kid attends school and you know that kids, mingling with other kids means they are going to bring home any virus, etc, they’ve been in contact with that day.

If you don’t want to cover immigrants and the poor, well, they are many times the ones who are coming to school with the viruses in the first place (their parents can’t afford to take a day off to keep the kid at home and they sure as heck don’t have health coverage, so they can’t get the proper treatment.)

Now, your kid has to go to the doctor and you have to take a day off to take them. And how many other kids did that kid infect?

So, you have kids out of school, parents out of work, and the only ones smiling are the damn drug companies which quite quite fond of those sick little kids because that sells their drugs.

Your employer sure isn’t happy, especially if you brought whatever you picked up elsewhere into the office and infected other employees.

Basic coverage for all can prevent alot of this, folks.

rightofcenter

February 27th, 2009
12:27 pm

Jay (and the usual assortment of sychophants),
It may not have occurred to you, but the Republicans are not the issue here. The Obama budget is breathtaking in its scope and what it projects for this country. Namely, that government IS the solution for all that ails us….capitalism and free markets be damned. Student loans? Let the federal government takeover the entire program. Pell Grants? Let’s make it another entitlement. Let’s make the federal government control the entire economy through the cap-and-trade program. Let’s raise the tax on the “affluent” by even more than we said in the campaign. The over-the-top commentary calling Obama a socialist was a joke, I thought. Unfortunately, with this budget, it looks like it is true.

Taxpayer

February 27th, 2009
12:29 pm

BD,

I think one problem with the notion of preventive care is that we the people don’t understand that it is something that must be practiced every day. Of course, it also helps to have a government that is fighting on our behalf to keep our air and water and food supplies clean so we are not subjected to killing and debilitating pollutants, bacteria, etc., just so some greedy CEO can pocket a few extra dollars.

Mike

February 27th, 2009
12:29 pm

BDAtlanta -

Yeah, you are right. We would all be better off without those “damn drug companies”. I mean they are companies that don’t employ you, so they must be evil, right?

Midori

February 27th, 2009
12:29 pm

rcs — BLASPHEMY!!!

I’m a Redskins fan!! :)

and no, I haven’t found that ice cream yet either.

And yet ANOTHER hug for Mike!!

Mike

February 27th, 2009
12:33 pm

Midori –

LOL. Your “answer” says it all. You are among the primary practitioners of the juvenile and hateful behavior that you “b*tch” about. But hey, we don’t expect any intellectual honesty from the 15 or so folks who make up the entire “community” here, so you are in good company.

rcs

February 27th, 2009
12:33 pm

Midori,
Sorry, I thought you were routing for the Eagles in the playoffs.

Gotta run for my annual eye exam, have a nice day to all.

John

February 27th, 2009
12:34 pm

Taxpayer, here’s one long-time GOP voter with Libertarian leanings (fiscal conservative / social libertarian) who IS doing something to help save lives……me.

http://www.stbaldricks.org/participants/shavee_info.php?ParticipantKey=2009-59422

Midori

February 27th, 2009
12:35 pm

RCS,

I didn’t any other choice during the playoffs as my team didn’t make it.

Mike,

since hugs don’t work on you perhaps we should get more radical and see if we can get you a sorely needed breast feeding.

Mike

February 27th, 2009
12:39 pm

Midori -

Wow, you zinged me. And you said “breast”. Hee hee hee. You have quite the sophisticated wit.

Anything to avoid addressing the fact that you are a hypocrite, right?

Copyleft

February 27th, 2009
12:39 pm

You’d think that economic conservatives and pro-market cheerleaders would be delighted to have employers freed from the burden of providing health insurance.

But this change comes with the specter of “domestic spending” and “public services,” so they feel they have to oppose it on principle. Even though it would be easier, more effective, and FAR CHEAPER than the system we’ve got now, and would provide immediate expense relief to small businesses.

Partisan stupidity at its finest, on display now from your nearest talk-radio channel.

BDAtlanta

February 27th, 2009
12:41 pm

Mike, I have prescriptions so, yeah, I bitch and moan about them.

But, those drugs are probably going to help me live longer than I would have without them.

What I’m trying to suggest is that there is a vicious cycle.

You are a company and have three employees, 2 full time and 1 part time. Lets say the part timer gets sick, they can’t take time out of the office to see a dr and get treatment because 1) they dont have insurance and 2) they don’t get paid when not at work.

This part timer is in the office, sniffling and honking along with your other two employees and one of them gets the bug. This person can take time off (heck, take 2 days and get better) and see the doctor because 1) they get sick days and 2) they have insurance.

The sick full time employee is watching Oprah from the couch while you try to run your company with 1 full time employee and 1 part time employee (who is only partly there mentally cause he/she is all hopped up on cold meds.)

So, coverage would actually benefit employers as well.

Let’s make it work.

Taxpayer

February 27th, 2009
12:42 pm

Hi Midori. Are you enjoying your Friday?

Mike

February 27th, 2009
12:43 pm

Copyleft -

Well as Jay’s own poll demonstrates, it isn’t just “pro-market cheerleaders” who are concerned about health care driving up domestic spending. 58% of Americans “believe if policymakers made the right changes, they could reform the health care system without spending more money to do it.”

Are 58% of Americans “pro-market cheerleaders”.

getalife

February 27th, 2009
12:46 pm

Poor Mike.

I offer a group hug and he attacks me.

Mike

February 27th, 2009
12:47 pm

BDAtlanta -

I agree with your argument whole-heartedly. I was just commenting on the “damn drug companies” comment. Most of the people on this blog have an innate hatred of businesses, and it seems to be a reflex to demonize them. Mindless hatred of “business” is as silly as mindless hatred of “government”. They both do a lot of good, despite the fact that a lot of individuals in them are selfish and/or incompetent.

caz1158

February 27th, 2009
12:48 pm

Jay-I see Prez Obama is going to get his while his “American Idol” status in the polls is high. Good for him and his “SHEEP”, Bad for the future of our country.

Midori

February 27th, 2009
12:50 pm

Hi Taxpayer :)

Always good to see you. I just heard it’s supposed to snow tomorrow. Can you believe that/

Getalife: I feel your pain. He seems determined to attack me as well.

Mike: I hear you knocking, but you can’t come in.

Paul

February 27th, 2009
12:53 pm

rcs

Something to think about: your employer pays 100 percent of your health care costs. You’re leaving to go to an annual exam. Annual, as in each year.

Any idea how often many people, even those with eye problems, go for a “how’s it going” exam when they pay for it directly?

Does having health benefits mean you’re of the hook? I’ve used the example of a family member – elementary school teacher, smack dab middle class – rates negotiated for all district employees – and for her and her husband it’s over $900 a month. That’s in after-tax dollars. And then there’s the copays…

So even those with insurance are feeling stretched. And all they foresee is getting stretched thinner – what was Bilbo’s phrase in Lord of the Rings? “Like too little butter over too much bread.”

Midori 12:35

?!!? Well, since you opened the door, I got an email last night:

“Apple announced today that it has developed a breast implant that can store and play music. The iTit will cost from $499 to $699, depending on cup and speaker size.

This is considered a major social breakthrough, because women are always complaining about men staring at their breasts and not listening to them.”

I responded I have met, and listened to, plenty of talking b@@bs in my day -

Mike

February 27th, 2009
12:53 pm

getalife -

You zinged me. Score one for the good guys.

Thanks for demonstrating the highest form of discourse available on this blog. At least you didn’t call me a NeoCON!!!@@@ or a racist. of course, its not too late to do so.

caz1158

February 27th, 2009
12:53 pm

Mike-Very intelligent comment/observation. It’s sad that neither side on this blog will give an inch-sound alot like our elected officials. I can tollerate it here,but there is no place for it there.

RW-(the original)

February 27th, 2009
12:55 pm

Tomorrow’s forecast for Atlanta is a high of 62 and a low of 53. Good luck on that snow job.

Truth

February 27th, 2009
12:59 pm

Taxpayer… There is a difference in small government and no government. We understand that there is a need for some taxes, just not high taxes. I just talked to a friend last night and she might quit her job because she already paid $100,000 in taxes last year and Obama wants to make it even higher. It just might not be worth the 70-80 hour work weeks that she puts in.

Paul

February 27th, 2009
1:00 pm

RW-(the original)

Snow jobs come from Washington, don’tcha’ know?

DB, Gwinnettian

February 27th, 2009
1:01 pm

Back for a bit.

Questions 9 and 10 are of interest to me in a “who’s got their work cut out for them” kinda way.

A surprisingly low number to me claim that healthcare reform will likely make something or other “worse” – depending on how the question’s asked, that number between 14 and 27 percent.

Seems to me that those opposed to this reform will need to boost that number substantially if they hope to block it.

Mike

February 27th, 2009
1:02 pm

caz1158 -

Yeah, I need to remember that I need to calibrate my expectations when I come here. I need to remember that this blog is primarily a gathering place for a few like minded partisans who are truly incapable of any conversation above a 4th grade level. Occasioanly you can get a decent conversation going with folks like DB, but he is the exception. Much more frequently you get stupid zingers from mindless partisans.

gttim

February 27th, 2009
1:02 pm

Truth said: “Healthcare is not a right. It’s simple.”

That is called an opinion. That is not a fact. See, it’s simple. If a majority have a different opinion on policy, and it does not violate the Constitution, it can be implemented. It looks like a majority of people are more interested in government run health insurance for all than they are in your opinion. Here we come single payer health insurance!

RW-(the original)

February 27th, 2009
1:03 pm

Paul,

Does that thing come with earbuds?

gttim

February 27th, 2009
1:03 pm

I need to remember that this blog is primarily a gathering place for a few like minded partisans who are truly incapable of any conversation above a 4th grade level

Mike, don’t put yourself down like that! We think you made it at least as far as middle school!

Mike

February 27th, 2009
1:04 pm

DB -

I think the poll is pretty clear in that Americans want health care reform. I think the poll also demonstrates that people don’t want to pay for it. But hey, we are Americans right?

Paul

February 27th, 2009
1:07 pm

RW-(the original)

I AM trying to concentrate on another screen, occasionally, you know…

But yeah, they do. And you’d better hope they’re the organic ones…

Taxpayer

February 27th, 2009
1:08 pm

Dang Paul at 12:53. I had no idea that you had such a sense of humor. I’m glad I was not sipping anything. It would have been a real mess.

Midori, That’s the first I’ve heard of snow in the forecast. I’ll have to check out the local on the eights or whatever they call it these days.

RW-(the original)

February 27th, 2009
1:09 pm

Frankly I don’t understand all this chatter from Mike and caz1158 about there being no conversations around here. There are often substantive conversations even among partisans. Why not just ignore the trolls that bring nothing and quit trying to pretend that you’re both pliable and civil fence sitters that must be emulated for a rational discussion to take place?

Paul

February 27th, 2009
1:10 pm

Enter your comments here

Hillbilly Deluxe

February 27th, 2009
1:10 pm

If you talk to a small business person, they will tell you that health care costs kill them (if they can afford to provide it to employees).

Having recently suffered a serious injury I have some experience with health care. If you talk to doctors, nurses, therapists, etc. they will tell you the system doesn’t work for them. Talk to patients in waiting rooms and you’ll hear all kinds of horror stories.

The medical side of health care is fine but the business side doesn’t work. We need to find some solutions that work. I don’t have answers but I’d love to see the politicians put aside the posturing and the jockeying for political advantage and try to come up with something.

Mike

February 27th, 2009
1:11 pm

gttim -

Thanks for the 12th stupid zinger I have gotten today, They are all equally useless.

Any chance you will ever do as you said and “be a man” and either provide the forumula for Taxpayers’ claim that the total cost of the $787 billion dollar stimulus would be $866 with a 10% interest rate. You hounded me about it for about a half hour the other day demanding that he was “right” and demanding that I be “a man” and admit I was wrong. Then you slunk off without backing up your statement.

Provide your formula and I will admit that I was wrong. Or you can just zing me and demonstrate that you are one of the many folks on this board who doesn’t live up to their demands.

Let me guess what your answer will be. LOL

Paul

February 27th, 2009
1:12 pm

Mike

Me? Humor? What’s that?

Just watch reading the posts from Bosch. Keyboards DO occasionally get sprayed.

Then again, many find our humor particularly obtuse (word of the day for Bosch!!!!).

RealityKing

February 27th, 2009
1:14 pm

In a democracy, revolution happens everytime the people vote. But every revolution is not necessarily a good thing.., GAZA for example.

Paul

February 27th, 2009
1:15 pm

Taxpayer

Sorry. That 1:12 was for you. You, too, Mike – don’t want to leave anyone out.

But that’s enough of the inattentiveness. Time to recharge the blood sugar and then get this project finished.

As RW-(the original) would say, see you at happy hour -

Mike

February 27th, 2009
1:15 pm

RW -

I actually cited DB as someone who is capable of a good conversation. Unfortunately, for every DB there are far more Midoris. I don’t know if she meets your definition of “troll”, but I’d be curious to find out why.

There are very, very few folks on this blog who can put together a post that doesn’t include name calling and ad-hominem attacks. That’s why this blog has had the same tiny group attacking each other for years now.

Taxpayer

February 27th, 2009
1:17 pm

Truth, if someone out there is making enough to pay 100k in fed income taxes and yet is complaining about forking over that, what 20% after deductions, then by all means tell them to pack their bags and find a better country. Good riddance. After all, isn’t that the line that the Republicans used against anyone that complained about Bush and his policy of borrowing money for our grandkids to pay back so he could give out those tax cuts to your friend while fighting his wars and giving big pharma their payoff and, Oh, never mind. You obviously didn’t even make it this far through my post….

Mike

February 27th, 2009
1:19 pm

Paul –

“Just watch reading the posts from Bosch. Keyboards DO occasionally get sprayed.”

Thanks for “not leaving me out” and sharing that incoherent statement with me.

RW-(the original)

February 27th, 2009
1:19 pm

Mike,

It’s not fair for me to single out Midori since she’s my ex, but she probably fits the bill. You’ve had lengthy back and forths with people deliberately not answering you just so they can see if they can frustrate you. I would just ignore them because you’re not going to change them either through discussion or trying to point out their behavior.

It’s just my two cents though.

caz1158

February 27th, 2009
1:20 pm

RW-I agree there are at times civil/constructive posts here,but that has’nt been the norm( I’m as guilty as anyone). Will try Better

Mike

February 27th, 2009
1:26 pm

RW -

Duly noted, but I’m not frustrated at all. I enjoy pointing out their hypocrisy and inability to have any type of meaningful discussion. They know they are hypocrites and intellectual cowards, particularly guys like gttim. He throws down challenges and when I respond he slinks away.

Eric

February 27th, 2009
1:29 pm

I was hoping this editorial was calling for a “revolt” again Georgia Power and government leaders who caved in so easily to the nuke building at taxpayer expense (as usual). Maybe you, Jay, will address that again soon once our gov. signs into law (or not).

Brad Steal

February 27th, 2009
1:33 pm

Enter your comments here

RW-(the original)

February 27th, 2009
1:33 pm

Mike,

I didn’t say you were frustrated only that they were deliberately trying to frustrate you. Your point about gttim is well taken and he’s been like that forever. There are others that will never answer and no amount of pointing them out will ever run them off. See: Taxpayer.

I’m going to follow Paul’s lead and get some things done before Midori’s big 60 degree snowstorm blows in. French toast on me for Sunday brunch! (Although there is a possibility of snow Monday/Tuesday)

See y’all at happy hour, but if DB is still looking out for me I’m not going to the forest.

Midori

February 27th, 2009
1:35 pm

Paul: that was pretty funny!!! where’s the recipe you promised me? :)

RW: Where the heck is my child support, you deadbeat???? :)

Mike

February 27th, 2009
1:36 pm

RW -

Wise words that I should heed.

Brad Steal

February 27th, 2009
1:36 pm

Boy Mike, you certainly are an indignant victim. But as you have observed everyone hear, except those who agree with you, are out to get and don’t understand anything. And you sure a brave fighter for the truth.

Redneck Convert

February 27th, 2009
1:37 pm

Well, I guess I’m going to be real nice so nobody will see me as one of the nasty trolls Mike talks about. So everybody is right and a fine fellow or girl or both. Have a good day everybody.

Taxpayer

February 27th, 2009
1:38 pm

RW, as usual, you’re full of crap. There. Are you happy that I finally answered you. :lol:

Midori

February 27th, 2009
1:41 pm

Taxpayer,

I’ve never seen so many victims in one place :lol:

tcoach

February 27th, 2009
1:42 pm

How funny Midori that you chose the most racially insensitive team in all of professional sport as the team you give your support to.

Telling very telling………

BDAtlanta

February 27th, 2009
1:42 pm

Brad at 1:33,
I totally agree with you on that point.

Goldie

February 27th, 2009
1:43 pm

About those “damned drug companies”, does anyone wonder why there’s been no CURES for diseases since the 1950’s? I mean, wasn’t it polio that was last “cured”? And look where that got the pharmaceutical industry… nope, I don’t believe we’ll ever see any more CURES, as long as the drug industry and insurance companies control our healthcare system. Way too much $$$ to be made with keeping people sickly.

G

February 27th, 2009
1:43 pm

Conservatives have been running the country for the last eight years, with full control of the executive and legislative for six.

If this were the first time that huge deficits were run up under a conservative president they could argue that Bush was an anomaly, but this happened under Raygun too, and a Democratic administration had to clean up that mess.

The Rushpublicant purveyors of blind deregulation, cronyism and emasculation of the SEC have no credibility at all and no alternative ideas to fix this mess…just bluster.

The myth of Rushpublicant fiscal responsibility is officially dead… RIP.

Mike

February 27th, 2009
1:43 pm

Brad Steal –

Zinged again!!! And by someone with such a way with rhetoric and spelling:

“But as you have observed everyone hear, except those who agree with you, are out to get and don’t understand anything.”

I know, I know. I should just rely on name calling and accusing anyone of not sharing my political views as being racist or evil. Then I would fit right in.

RW-(the original)

February 27th, 2009
1:45 pm

Gawd, this place is starting to look like DU. When do the dancing frogs move in?

RW: Where the heck is my child support, you deadbeat????

I dropped off two possums and a whole sack of squirrels just two days ago. You better put those young ‘uns on a diet.

Later!

Goldie

February 27th, 2009
1:46 pm

Luckovich’s ‘toon today is excellent!

BDAtlanta

February 27th, 2009
1:47 pm

Goldie,

That’s true, there’s no money to be made from a healthy populace.

Midori

February 27th, 2009
1:49 pm

oh, Christ tcoach – that’s really a stretch.

LOL, RW – Last night I went outside to put the trash out and was met by this HUGE possum on my front porch. Now I know that it wasn’t a coincidence after all!!!

Mike

February 27th, 2009
1:50 pm

Goldie:

“About those “damned drug companies”, does anyone wonder why there’s been no CURES for diseases since the 1950’s?”

How about measles, Invasive H. flu, TB and many bacteriological diseases?

Taxpayer

February 27th, 2009
1:50 pm

Well, Midori, hugs don’t work with Republicans. Telling them the truth and sharing facts with the Republicans only brings an onslaught of nasty and petty name-calling from them and then the only effective way for us to deal with that is to throw it right back at them or ignore them. Yet, when we ignore them, they get all cry-baby about it. So, we offer up another hug only to be rejected. Yup. I went through that phase when I was helping raise our older one. Come to think of it, he still calls and moans and he’s almost thirty. Some kids just never grow up.

bugger

February 27th, 2009
1:54 pm

46% think Obama will do a good job on health care reform. Isn’t that about the same as the percentage of people who pay no income tax. Do you really think these people care what all this is going to cost someone else.

BDAtlanta

February 27th, 2009
1:55 pm

And what’s scary is that the cancer facilities are the ones that bring huge sums of money to a hospital.

Hospitals like Grady that don’t have cancer facilities can barely keep the doors open.