Can’t we all just get along?
It’s been a fractious, divisive week here on the blog, so I thought I’d send us all home on this rainy Friday afternoon with something that everybody can agree upon:
This, ladies and gentlemen, is the greatest jazz pianist of all time.
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Mike
February 27th, 2009
8:32 pm
Taxpayer –
If you are so concerned about deregulation, the least you can do is acknowledge Clinton and Rubin’s large role in the process:
The American Prospect writes of Rubin’s huge influence on Clinton, who in turn:
“embraced large parts of Wall Street’s agenda: free trade, privatization and the deregulation of finance, energy and telecommunications.”
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=robert_rubins_contested_legacy
Do you really care about getting to the root of the problem or do you just want to bash Republicans. Methinks the latter.
Taxpayer
February 27th, 2009
8:33 pm
Andy, there’s no need to be a whino just because Obama wants you to help people up. You shouldn’t have been in such a hurry and knocked them down to begin with.
Taxpayer
February 27th, 2009
8:36 pm
Those “we don’t need no steenkin regulations” Republicans even allowed some Democrat crooks to prosper and cheat even more people — right along with the Republican crooks. There’s no argument on that fact.
@@
February 27th, 2009
8:36 pm
There is an achiever, a leader and a mentor in every man and woman just waiting to be empowered by the simple act of teaching them what they are capable of.
democrats know nothing of these things.
Amen Andy!
A little more Joe w/A SAXOPHONE.
I
LOVE
saxophones.
RW-(the original)
February 27th, 2009
8:36 pm
@@,
I meant to say he was an upstanding paragon of dignity and sobriety. Better?
Mike
That switch from dissent being the highest form of patriotism to anything other than blind devotion being treasonous was dizzying. It’s a good thing liberals don’t believe, or at least don’t remember from day to day, the things they say or we’d have a vertigo clinic on every street corner.
Mike
February 27th, 2009
8:38 pm
Taxpayer -
Again your comments ignore the role that Democrats played in deregulation. As usual, you don’t let facts get in the way of your own fantasy world where Republicans are solely responsible for the world’s problems.
Taxpayer
February 27th, 2009
8:40 pm
Further, the only cap on charitable giving is the amount of money that the charitable giver is willing and able to give and when people like Madoff can scam so many people and so many charities, then the charitable giving definitely suffers. Of course, if you are only interested in what you can write off on your taxes, then that’s a different story. I’ve never let that stop me from giving.
Hillbilly Deluxe
February 27th, 2009
8:41 pm
To @@ and RW(the original)
Don’t remember the exact year (mid to late 90’s) I saw Joe at Chastain. Sass Jordan was his opening act that night and they played a smoking version of Funk 49, the old James Gang song.
@@
February 27th, 2009
8:44 pm
Much, RW! and thank you.
I knew it….I just knew it! (ISH)
Taxpayer
February 27th, 2009
8:48 pm
The Republican party panders to voters with crap such as “we don’t need no steenkin’ regulations” and they delivered. Look where that got us with the economy — in the crapper. Then, the crap spilled over into the peanuts and the sugar. But, don’t let the facts get in the way. After all, Phil Gramm has done his damage and moved on to greener pastures at UBS. I wonder how much longer that will last. Even Enron loved good old boy Gramm. His wife was on their BOD. But, don’t let the truth stand in the way.
I Report/ You Whine
February 27th, 2009
8:48 pm
Taxie: Or you could be like the Klintoons and write off your entire charitable foundation even though it hasn’t given up one wooden nickel to charity yet.
How do you like that, the former democrat president of the United States doesn’t understand that you can’t write off money that has been given to……….him.
Hahahahahahahahaha, I got to hand it to you libs, you truly are a trip.
RW-(the original)
February 27th, 2009
8:53 pm
@@,
I left some sax back on page 1. (ISBAY)
I Report/ You Whine
February 27th, 2009
8:54 pm
I suppose I should get with the program, after all we are living in the age of having an Internal Revenue Service chief who cheats on his taxes, bwahahahahahahahaha, I need to ease up before I injure myself.
Taxpayer
February 27th, 2009
8:57 pm
Even good old boy, Greenspan, finally had to admit that leaving the derivatives completely and utterly unregulated and unmonitored was a fatal error because greed knows no bounds in the wrong hands. Credit default swaps are a form of derivatives, you know. If only there had been a responsible adult to warn them of the error of their ways back in the days of Rubin and Greenspan. But wait. There was. What was that woman’s name. Was it Born. Why, yes it was. There were others that warned as well but they were also ignored until it was too late. By the way, Greenspan was originally appointed by Ronnie Reagan.
Mike
February 27th, 2009
8:57 pm
Taxpayer -
Why don’t you also have an issue with ” “we don’t need no steenkin’ regulations”” Bill Clinton.
My guess is that it is because you don’t really give a crap about deregulation. You just want an excuse for hating people who don’t share your very narrow political views.
Mike
February 27th, 2009
8:59 pm
Taxpayer –
“By the way, Greenspan was originally appointed by Ronnie Reagan.”
And he was reappointed by Clinton. Again, do you really care about this stuff or do you just want an excuse for hating people who don’t share your very narrow political views.
AmVet
February 27th, 2009
9:00 pm
Midori, thak you. I try my best. Sometimes I hit homers, sometimes I strike out.
getalife, that is some funnyass ,witty stuff at the welcher’s expense.
Wow, Taxpayer, that kid was kind of shrewd. But scary. Figures he’s from the epicenter of the Moron Belt – Atlanta, Georgia. My adopted home town. Sheesh.
However, he mentioned Bill Bennett. I bought his The Moral Compass before he, like Ollie, became a darling of right-wing radio. (GASP!!! AmVet reading Bennett! Yeah, fooled ya again, you in the think and speak for others crowd.) And taken in context it is good stuff. He’s one of the more stable in a sea of dizziness.
Mike, I didn’t want to write this tonight, but you want it badly, so here goes.
It was actually addressed to Paul W downstairs.
You’ve apparently read very little of Mike’s repartees with me.
He lives to catch me make a misstatement of fact. Even imagined ones.
And there are certain words and writing styles I use that REALLY (SEE! Oh no! I shouted!) set him off! (Don’t say it out loud, but its spelled c-h-i-c-k-e-…….)
Some days ago, I partially misrepresented Sarah Palin on the issue of contraception. He, seized on that to proudly proclaim that I was “wrong lots of the time”. He had made some most ungallant overtures to me, previously, demanding my definition of this that and the other and essentially posting insults about intellect, etc. As he did with numerous others here. And still does. I assure you I never originally initiated ANY (Ooops!) interaction with him. I was not really interested in a p!ssing contest with him. He even made endless demands of the moderator not long after he arrived in this persona.
A real gadfly.
So back to the “wrong lots of the time” statement, I thought, huh? What the hades?
I did what any reasonable person would have done, I asked for this comprehensive list. And later, anything at all. You know, to cogently support this odd claim. Several times. And take a wild, wild guess what happened, boys and girls? Nothing. Nada. Zip. None was ever forthcoming from Mike. Not to this day.
Later though, his clever schemes of intrigue found success! And he outright busted me when I said no Americans died in Clinton’s war. (I was a tad embarrassed as I did not reconfirm what I thought I had once read.) Two helicopter pilots perished while training to go into Bosnia. May they rest in peace. (I know a couple of those rotary-wing fly-boys on that wall in Washington, ironically.) Never mind that this was but one fact of numerous in numerous posts that led to a conclusion. However irreverent or vulgar, it might be to the chaste, the puritanical, and the demanding.
But what a great moment for him.
Does this man ever attempt to dissect, point by point, these posts, looking at the totality of their weight and offering a reasoned and reasonable, perhaps even better, counter-argument.
No.
Now he has long stretches where he lurks and lobs verbal grenades at any and everybody, with every other post. And it’s a shame, because he really is bright. And has some good stuff to say. But being a pr!ck just gets in the way.
Taxpayer
February 27th, 2009
9:01 pm
Then there’s the new and improved IRS that goes after 52,000 tax cheats at UBS. That’s my kind of IRS. Get ‘em and don’t forget Sarah. She thought that she could get away with that. For shame, for shame, Sarah — Palin, that is. Now, pay them taxes — all of them.
Mike
February 27th, 2009
9:03 pm
Taxpayer -
Should they also go after all of Obama’s nominees who had much more serious tax violations?
Again, do you really care about this stuff or do you just want an excuse for hating people who don’t share your very narrow political views.
Mike
February 27th, 2009
9:08 pm
AmVet -
You forgot the one wher you claimed that Obama was not a chickenhawk becausehe “inherited the Afghan War from Bush.” I was kind enough to point out that Obama proudly stated that he was a supporter of the Afghan War from the benginnig:
“And so, a little more than a year after that bright September day, I was in the streets of Chicago again, this time speaking at a rally in opposition to war in Iraq. I did not oppose all wars, I said. I was a strong supporter of the war in Afghanistan”
http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/01/the_war_we_need_to_win.php
Sorry that pointing out your wild inaccuracies is so offensive to you. I’d accuse you of being a whiner, but according to the folks on this blog, only conservatives are whiners.
I guess I should be more like you and ignore accuracy and focus on name calling, vulgarity and laughable physical threats that I know I won’t ever have to back up.
Taxpayer
February 27th, 2009
9:13 pm
And Brooksley Born was also a Democrat. She was one more smart person and she warned them. She warned Greenspan and Rubin and the others that thought that no regulations was the “smart thing”, the Republican thing, to do. Democrats do not support this failed philosophy of “we don’t need no steenkin’ regualtions” that the Republicans applied with a broad brush to everything in their path — much to the detriment of we the people. It’s time to get back to some long overdue regulations.
RW-(the original)
February 27th, 2009
9:15 pm
Sometimes I hit homers
With about the same frequency Haley’s Comet passes through.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And this is just the first five weeks.
Taxpayer
February 27th, 2009
9:16 pm
The IRS should go after all tax cheats and those cheats should be held accountable. They should pay their debt to America regardless of political persuasion. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it over and over for those that need to hear it.
RW-(the original)
February 27th, 2009
9:20 pm
Taxman,
Do you support Geithner as Treasury Secretary? A yes or no will suffice, but if you feel the need for incoherent bluster try putting the yes or no near the start. Thank you in advance.
Taxpayer
February 27th, 2009
9:22 pm
I know quite well of what (or whom) you speak, AmVet. No truer words could be spoken. But, a tool’s a tool’s a tool. We use ‘em for a while and then put them away for another day.
G
February 27th, 2009
9:25 pm
The tax argument is old and already proven.
You like having the biggest bombs?
You like living in a country where the government can just toss 700 billion in attempts to save failing business?
Pay your taxes.
And most importantly, who should pay those taxes?
Shall we place it on the poor through means of gas, excise and payroll? Maybe cap it off to protect the rich?
Sounds like a great idea until things hit a critical mass and the millions of people who are struggling to make ends meet can’t even afford to do that.
Or should we place it on those who benefit the most from it? The rich and elite who need protection with those bombs and who need the bailouts because they were more concerned with commissions than doing their job?
Last I checked they weren’t going after staffing agencies or manufacturing plants on 9/11.
Mike
February 27th, 2009
9:28 pm
Taxpayer –
“Democrats do not support this failed philosophy of “we don’t need no steenkin’ regualtions” that the Republicans applied with a broad brush to everything in their path ”
Well, in a way they don’t. But in another, more literal way, they sure did. The Clinton economy was held up as a model until things went to hell over the past few months. And much of the Clinton economy was a result of just the kind of deregulation that you keep droning about.
“The IRS should go after all tax cheats and those cheats should be held accountable. ”
Well then why aren’t you writing your silly posts about Obama’s nominees instead of just Palin. As usual, your targeting is always partisan based, besides your empty protestations to the contrary.
Again, do you really care about this stuff or do you just want an excuse for hating people who don’t share your very narrow political views?
Taxpayer
February 27th, 2009
9:28 pm
I don’t know enough about him, RW. However, I’ll let you know what I think of his performance after I see a little more of it. But wait. That’s not what you really care about. You’re just wanting to get in a little poke about his taxing past with TurboTax. Well, I say he should do whatever is required of him by law and once he has done that then he has paid his debt to America. Now, will Sarah and those 52,000 do the same, RW. Will you demand the same from all people, RW, or will you simply moan about what Democrats do. Now, where did I put that “yes”. There it is. Right beside that “No”. Is that blustering enough for ya. You’re welcome.
Rascal
February 27th, 2009
9:28 pm
When the focal point in a week is the idiot liberals and their exceedingly fast failure at dealing with our problems, Jay suddenly wants to lighten things up. Don’t remember him wanting to end weeks that way when he was attacking conservative and libertarian ideals
Taxpayer
February 27th, 2009
9:30 pm
This blog does not need more right fringe droolers.
Taxpayer
February 27th, 2009
9:32 pm
Deregulation, courtesy of Phil Gramm, the fodder of modern day deregulation and devout Republican.
AmVet
February 27th, 2009
9:33 pm
Yeah, Mikey, like you have this steallar track record of not misrepresenting what people say. I guess that is what happens when you speak for others like you frequently do. It gets hard to keep up. You never even read my definition of chickenhawk. I posted t but nary a reply. And it would not matter one iota if you had read it. I’ve railed against Obama for his idiotically sending thousand more GIs to Quagmire, Part Deux. (And for the only time ever, you begrudgingly admired my consistency.) But lost in all of that is your obsession with parsing words to fit your demands.
But hey if you THINK you “got me”, OhhKay, Mike, you win. I lose.
So that’s it?
Nothing else? At all??? No “lots of them wrong” recollections? No lists? No nothing? You cannot come up with a damned thing, can you?
Just as I said.
Only more of the same minutia and bile.
And I note with interest you did not deny or agree with that last paragraph..
Way to manup, Mike. I knew ya had it in ya.
RW-(the original)
February 27th, 2009
9:34 pm
Freeman: I urge anyone who has not done so to read the most profoundly self-reflective speech by a political leader that I have seen in the last quarter-century: Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Abdullah’s December 2001 address to the Gulf Cooperation Council summit in Muscat. In that speech he calls for Arabs and Muslims to examine their own consciences and practices and to accept part of the blame for the sad state of affairs between them and the rest of the world. More to the point, concrete steps have been taken to implement his vision. Let me outline a few of these steps.
Second, Saudis and other Gulf Arabs were shocked by the level of ignorance and antipathy displayed by Americans toward them and toward Islam after September 11. The connection between Islam and suicide bombing is a false connection. Kamikaze pilots were not Muslims. And in the Palestinian arena, it is an issue of nationalism, not religion. Secular Palestinians are increasingly adopting this tactic.
That would be Charles Freeman, Obama’s appointee to chair the National Intelligence Council.
getalife
February 27th, 2009
9:35 pm
Reaganomics is dead and Obamanomics has begun.
Tax cheats, Wall Street and corporate are sweating bullets.
They deserve it
rcs
February 27th, 2009
9:35 pm
Rascal, what else do you expect? This is a liberal blog by one of the biggest liberal newspapers in the country.
Mike
February 27th, 2009
9:36 pm
G –
The notion that domestic security only benefits the rich is too absurd to even debate.
That being said, the question is whether or not the new tax increases will really help working class folks are not. When small businesses are taxed to the point that entrepreneurs just stick to well paid jobs in the corporate sector, there will be less job opportunities for folks of all income levels. As we all know, periods of high unemployment hit lower income people the hardest. Why engage in tax polices that diminish the pool of available jobs?
What started out as a debate on the best way to get the economy going has rapidly turned into a debate about fairness. Frankly, I think unemployed people are far more concerned about a dearth of jobs than in abstract notions of fairness.
Jessica
February 27th, 2009
9:39 pm
Michele Bachmann, the Minnesota congresswoman who doesn’t always think before inserting foot in mouth, obviously got excited with the words of RNC Chair Michael Steele when Steele, speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference, said that the conservative movement must be a revolution that transforms America.
As Steele concluded his remarks, Minnesota Rep. Michelle Bachmann – the event’s moderator – told Steele he was “da man.”
“Michael Steele! You be da man! You be da man,” she said.
When Congresswoman Bachmann was confronted after she suggested an investigation of people in Congress to find out which members are “pro-America or anti-America”, she denied making the comment.
This is the same representative who once proclaimed, on the issue of global warming, that we don’t have to save the planet because Jesus already did that.
Maybe she’ll have better luck with black jive talk than she’s had with her previous comments.
@@
February 27th, 2009
9:39 pm
RW:
I didn’t find a sax over on Pg 1. I found a link that didn’t go anywhere.
I’d love to listen if you have time for a redo.
The thing I find most sad about this tremendous debt that Obama has piled on is that our children and their children will never enjoy the prosperity that we, their parents, have worked so hard to give them. Instead of working from January to May before realizing the joys of their labor, they’ll be working from January to September….October.
Very, very sad. What parent isn’t willing to sacrifice for their children’s future?
What generation has ever failed to offer something better than, they, themselves had.
RW-(the original)
February 27th, 2009
9:41 pm
Taxman,
No it doesn’t answer the question, but we knew that would be the case with you. By the way, you’re doing an excellent job of proving the point I was making about you a few floors down. Thanks for making me look like such a prophet.
Geithner was audited, found to have been out of compliance and paid back taxes for two years, but he knew full well he had done the same thing the previous two years and didn’t come clean until now. That’s a tax cheat, not someone who made a mistake and paid up when the mistake was uncovered.
Mike
February 27th, 2009
9:42 pm
getalife –
“Tax cheats, Wall Street and corporate are sweating bullets.”
You mean tax cheats like Geithner , Daschle and Killefer?
Wall Street folks like Democrat Bernie Madoff? The Wall Street folks who overwhelming donated to Democrat Presidential candidate in the last election?
Mike
February 27th, 2009
9:43 pm
Jessica -
Next time just provide the link to Olbermann’s transcripts. You just bleated out one of his stories tonight line for line.
RW-(the original)
February 27th, 2009
9:44 pm
@@,
Sorry about that. Here’s another attempt, but it’s probably lost something in the buildup by now.
mm
February 27th, 2009
9:47 pm
I smell wingnuts.
G
February 27th, 2009
9:48 pm
President Obama’s budget agenda starts with taxes.
Over the last three decades, the pretax incomes of the wealthiest households have risen far more than they have for other households, while the tax rates for top earners have fallen more than they have for others, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
As a result, the average post-tax income of the top 1 percent of households has jumped by roughly $1 million since 1979, adjusted for inflation, to $1.4 million. Pay for most families has risen only slightly faster than inflation.
Before becoming President Obama’s top economic adviser, Lawrence H. Summers liked to tell a hypothetical story to distill the trend. The increase in inequality, Mr. Summers would say, meant that each family in the bottom 80 percent of the income distribution was effectively sending a $10,000 check, every year, to the top 1 percent of earners.
Mike
February 27th, 2009
9:49 pm
AmVet –
Well, I think we were able to come up with three pretty obvious example of your inaccuracie this evening. If I had the patience to read through more of your turgid, rambling and incoherent posts, I am sure I would find others.
“And I note with interest you did not deny or agree with that last paragraph.”
Not certain what you are talking about. Please repost and I will “man up” as you say. (As if going back and forth on a silly blog is some evidence of manhood.)
Also, let me submit your challenge back to you:
You claim that I have a track record of “misrepresenting what people say”. Please provide examples.
AmVet
February 27th, 2009
9:49 pm
“This is the same representative who once proclaimed, on the issue of global warming, that we don’t have to save the planet because Jesus already did that.”
Jessica, if not deadly in their dereliction of duty, it would be humorous…
Taxpayer
February 27th, 2009
9:50 pm
RW,
I see that you chose to neglect the 52000 other tax cheats and further do you have any proof that Geithner did not fulfill his obligations under the law or are you just continuing with your moaning.
Taxpayer
February 27th, 2009
9:53 pm
RW is also well known for posting pointless points such as the one earlier to me. Given that fact, I think it most probable that any other points he may have attempted earlier today were also pointless.
Mike
February 27th, 2009
9:54 pm
G –
If you are going to copy and paste whole paragraphs of other people’s work, you should cite them.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/business/economy/27policy.html
That being said, Summers’s hypothetical is just that a hypothetical.The truth is that people in the top 20% provide the majority of tax income, much of which is distributed to folks who don’t pay taxes at all.
Again, what started as a plan to get the economy back on its feet has morphed into a plan to make things “fair”, regardless of its effect on the economy.
Can you explain to me how this increase in taxes will decrease the unemployment rate?
rcs
February 27th, 2009
9:55 pm
Legally Geithner fulfilled his obligation because the statue of limitations expired. He avoided the morality of paying taxes on the two years RW has cited.
Mike
February 27th, 2009
9:58 pm
Taxpayer -
Well, yes Geithner did fulfill his obligations after he got caught. Whoopee.
Also, why is the 52,000 tax cheats thing a partisan issue? Are you claiming that the bulk of those people are Republicans or that there was more tax cheating going on under Bush than there had been previously? What exactly is your point?
Taxpayer
February 27th, 2009
9:59 pm
That’s enough fun for me tonight. You all remember to play nice. It’s Jay’s wish, dontcha know.
Mike
February 27th, 2009
10:00 pm
Taxpayer –
“RW is also well known for posting pointless points such as the one earlier to me. Given that fact, I think it most probable that any other points he may have attempted earlier today were also pointless.”
And this post is relevant why?
RW-(the original)
February 27th, 2009
10:03 pm
Taxman,
Sometimes points are only pointless to the pointy headed, but you’ve been a pleasure to use as a prop to promulgate my points to people who possess a propensity to perceive.
Jessica
February 27th, 2009
10:03 pm
AmVet,
Michele Bachmann as any kind of spokesperson or dinner fluffer at this event represents the emptiness of the GOP.
Go visit DumpBachmann.blogspot.com where her antics have been chronicled for over 5 years! Unbelievable.
Google Bachmann plus either Terry Schiavo or global warming to see audiences laughing at her on youtube.
Palin/Bachmann 2012
Because the Raped Must Birth
@@
February 27th, 2009
10:04 pm
Yackety Sax, RW? I was looking for some sexy Boney James saxophone but I appreciate your effort all the same.
I’ll leave you and the other conservatives to annihalate the moonbats.
Semper just got home from playing poker — must’ve lost his shirt this time around. He’ll need some consolin’.
G’Night!
AmVet
February 27th, 2009
10:06 pm
OK, enough for tonight Mr agent provocateur.
You can come up with this supposed list later, OK?
As in never, you never-ending nuisance.
So lets summarize this evening’s confabs, shall we? You’ve made one doltish and disjointed claim – me being “wrong lots of the time”. And have to date NEVER corroborated it.
Oh but you will, right Mike?
I mean your very blogging honor is at stake, is it not, Demander in Chief?
And your are an honorable man, yes?
I mean, you’ve had many days to accomplish this easy task, true? Then what’s the frickin hold up, mope? It’s not as if I haven’t asked for it half a dozen times now over the course of many days.
So when you’re good and ready, (I’ve got plenty of time) you will provide lots of information to support this fallacious allegation.
And in the unending meantime, I stand by my claim that you are a grade A, grenade lobbing creep.
The whole world’s watching. Oh wait, that was Chicago 1968…
Chad Harris
February 27th, 2009
10:10 pm
In the words of the whack Michelle Bachman to Mikey the Steele:
“You be da man…You be da man”
Ah so likes it when white honkey chicks talk in Eubonics, particularly one of the biggest whakos ever.”
“Who wants to hangout with Paul Krugman and Robert Reich, when you can be with Rush Fatball?”
Mitch McConnell
C-Pac will be selling DVDs and Video Downloads on Comedy Central starting tomorrow.
Meanwhile in the real world:
The 9th Circuit rejected the Bush dead enders’ argument for state secrets in stay the al-Haramain suit against Bush for illegally wiretapping it.
“We agree with the district court that the January 5, 2009 order is not appropriate for interlocutory appeal. The government’s appeal is DISMISSED for lack of jurisdiction. The government’s motion for a stay is DENIED as moot.”
Barring a last minute stay from SCOTUS, Walker can come back Monday morning, look at a wiretap log of US persons not approved by FISA, and rule that that wiretap was illegal.
On March 11, 2004, remember, the warrantless wiretap program was operating without the approval of the Acting Attorney General. After Jim Comey refused to recertify the program on March 9, after Andy Card and Alberto Gonzales tried to get John Ashcroft to overrule Comey from his ICU bed on March 10, Bush reauthorized the program using only the legal sanction of then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales on March 11.
The court will not only be reviewing illegal wiretapping, but in addition, Bush’s illegal overriding of DOJ’s advise on the recomendation of White House Counsel Fredo Gonzales.
RW-(the original)
February 27th, 2009
10:12 pm
@@,
The point was that no matter what was happening to you at the moment Yakety Sax would cheer you up. I have no idea if it’s true since I’m so mild mannered and happy, but if Semper did lose his shirt, figuratively instead of literally, try it out and let me know. If he lost it literally have a good night and I’ll “see” you tomorrow.
Mike
February 27th, 2009
10:15 pm
AmVet –
Here is the list you so desperately seek:
1) Your incorrect claim that Obama simply inehereted the war from Bush. As I pointed out and provided evidence, you were wrong.
2) Your incorrect claims about Palin’s advocacy of absitince-only sex ed. As I pointed out and provided evidence, you were wrong.
3) Your claim that no Americans died in the Balkan War. As I pointed out and provided evidence, you were wrong.
That’s is the list that you have demanded from me.
Now will you do as you say and provide examples of “my track” record of “misrepresenting what people say”. I would admonish you to “man up”, but I don’t think that arguing with people on a blog is any sign of manhood.
Feel free to continue call me names. I know it makes you feel better and I really couldn’t care less.
RW-(the original)
February 27th, 2009
10:19 pm
Mike,
Just in case you haven’t dealt with amvet of many names as long as I have trust me on this. Your list will never be long enough to satisfy him and you’ll never begin to get a list of what he’s accused you of, but good luck!
Mike
February 27th, 2009
10:19 pm
Chad –
“The 9th Circuit rejected the Bush dead enders’ argument for state secrets in stay the al-Haramain suit against Bush for illegally wiretapping it.”
Wow! I didn’t know that Obama is a Bush dead-ender. LOL
“Court rejects Obama bid to stop wiretapping suit
By DEVLIN BARRETT – 6 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration has lost its argument that the state secrets privilege is a good enough reason to stop a lawsuit over the government’s warrantless wiretapping program.
A federal appeals court in San Francisco has rejected the Justice Department’s request for an emergency stay. The Obama administration, like the Bush administration before it, claimed that national security would be compromised if a lawsuit brought by the U.S. chapter of an Islamic charity was allowed to proceed.
The case was brought by the Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation, a defunct charity with a chapter in Oregon.
The appeals court decision is a setback for the new Obama administration as it adopts some of the same positions on national security and secrecy as the Bush administration.”
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i4sj03-Gb3HZUn9lqMmn4QKH30mwD96K4SE81
Mike
February 27th, 2009
10:20 pm
RW -
Actually, I am demanding a list from him.
Let’s see if he is ready to “man up” as he says. LOL
Chad Harris
February 27th, 2009
10:22 pm
No one cares whether Palin advocates nyphomania or abstinence. She’s irrelevant. No one is looking to bimbat for advice.
Obama’s occupation of Iraq will probably be longer than Bush’s fiasco.
Claiming you pointed out evidence that “someone is wrong” without citing said evidence is absurd.
rcs
February 27th, 2009
10:22 pm
Chad, why is it illegal for the president to override DOJ advice? I’m not sure what you mean.
Chad Harris
February 27th, 2009
10:24 pm
CPac speakers who are invoking World War I (Ron Paul) and Woodrow Willson and Raegan (Gingrich) must not realize that the vast majority of voters barely know who Wilson and Raegan are–and that number is only going to increase.
AmVet
February 27th, 2009
10:28 pm
Yep, Bachmann’s an anti-abortion, coat-hanger, conservatives wet dream, Jessica.
There is a great song about Jesse Helms, Tipper Gore and John Paul II that ends with these lines:
I wanna hold you down and f you while you squirm, And force you to bring that thing to term.
I guess Mikey will have a cow now…
Speaking of which, two is not a list, you nitiwit.
Your inanely arguing with me about Obama and Bookman being chickenhawks or not are not misstatements of fact.And, uh, Mike, the president did inherit both wars from Bush. Or do you have breaking news for all of us?
Stay with me here. Two misstatements of fact are not “lots”. Even in your make believe world of prevarications and faulty recollections, I trust. Especially out of the dozens and dozens I’ve written since you rode in on your white pig.
Produce a great many or a great deal of factual errors I’ve made.
Quit obfuscating and stalling and setting up study groups. It’s time Mikey. Put up or shut up.
Or better yet, quit the childish charade and just admit you’ve overstated your case and that you embarrassingly continue to overplay your hand.
Like I told you weeks ago, quit trying so damned hard to be right all the freaking time. It’s ugly. And it is your fatal flaw.
Act like an adult, for once. it won’t kill ya.
Produce
G
February 27th, 2009
10:30 pm
Taxes are not a penalty.
Taxes are the price that you pay for the services provided by the government. Services that you need in order to sustain your success. Services like economic stability, public roads, social order, predictability, healthy population (to work for you and to buy the goods you produce/sell), etc.
Without these services you will not be able to do business unless you prefer the ways war
lords in 3rd world counties do their business. I am sure warlords and drug cartel bosses don’t pay too much in taxes.
RW-(the original)
February 27th, 2009
10:32 pm
Mike,
When you ask him to “man up” on the anonymous blog he’ll tell you you’ve soiled the wrong cowgirl or something like that, I started glazing over on the rhetoric a few years back so the wording may be off, and then make some ridiculous claim of using overwhelming force. It’s actually pretty funny when he explodes, but it was better when it stood out instead of looking like a day in the life of Chadly post like it does here.
Mike
February 27th, 2009
10:42 pm
AmVet –
“Your inanely arguing with me about Obama and Bookman being chickenhawks or not are not misstatements of fact.”
How so? What “fact” is being misstated?
“And, uh, Mike, the president did inherit both wars from Bush.”
Well the exact discussion started with your response to my question as to whether Obama was a chickenhawk:
““Obama – no. (he was staunchly against BushCo’s crusades but has now inherited them)””
And then I provided the link to Obama’s quote in which he said, “I was a strong supporter of the war in Afghanistan.”
Were you not wrong?
For all of your silly rhetoric about “holding me down”, you are just proving my point.
Mike
February 27th, 2009
10:47 pm
AmVet –
Oh I forgot:
“Speaking of which, two is not a list, you nitiwit.”
First of all, my list was three items long. I even put little numbers in front of them, as I did when I reposted them for Chad.
On the other hand, your list of my supposed misstatements was two items long. Is two not enough for a list, but enough for a “track record”.
I am doing all that you ask of me, yet your response is to call names and hypocritically ask me to act like an adult.
One last thing: here is the link to the specific conversation in which you were wrong about Obama, so I will spare you the embarrassment of calling me a liar and being wrong yet again.
http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/bookman/entries/2009/02/02/the_iraqi_provincial_elections.html
AmVet
February 27th, 2009
10:50 pm
Yep, Mike I definitely see how I’m proving your point.
Two is lots.
RW,
Jeez, man you have even less will power than Dusty, Andy or @@, anymore.
It’s OK. You can’t help yourself. Apparently very jealous.
I guess that angry lurker lobbing grenades part hit a little too close to home, huh halfwit?
Mike seems to be having LOTS of troubles finding these LOTS of wrong statements of mine.
Hey! You guys could scour through them and help your new-found pal out, no?
He’s either flummoxed or just incapably incompetently incapacitated.
Mike
February 27th, 2009
10:51 pm
Wow. I am getting a “Your comment is awaiting moderation” message on a completely benign response to Chad. Wonder what tripped that.
Mike
February 27th, 2009
10:57 pm
AmVet -
Once again, I provided three example with little numbers in front of them. Don’t know how much easier I can make it for you.
Also, you provided two examples of my “track record”, both of which I swatted away with ease. Is two a track record?
I also love you calling me angry. Please explain why you deem me to be angry. You are the one who can’t make a single post without several instances of name calling.
I am starting to feel guilty about teasing you. I am starting to realize that you are genuinely delusional.
Mike
February 27th, 2009
10:59 pm
OK. I am embarrassed. I have been sparring with someone with serious mental issues.
Time to cut my losses.
AmVet
February 27th, 2009
11:01 pm
Things will get better, Mike.
After calling you Nothing but Two is Lots Mike for a week, in the name of good sportsmanship I’ll throw you a bone and we’ll agree that its three!
Woo Hoo!
Then you’ll be Three is Lots Mike.
At least I admit, when I screw up, ninny. I don’t need your two whiny a$$es to tell me how to do that.
The irony and brutal truth is that NOT ONE of you who bush league bloggers that have instituted a p!ssing contest with me over two years, has done the same.
Not once.
Too gutless, too paranoid, too vulnerable, too something.
And RW and you are quite the pair tonight.
Chad Harris
February 27th, 2009
11:07 pm
rcs–
You have to be careful not to confuse advice that Bush got from DOJ (Comey who was acting AG at the time because Ashcroft was in an ICU–in this case that the wiretapping was illegal and advice he got from Gonazales who during this time was not the Attorney General, but was Bush’s lawyer as White House Counsel.
The reason Gonzales is now in potential hot water is he never made the clear distinction between being White House Counsel and then moving over to DOJ where he was supposed to be the head attorney for the US and to interpret what was legal and what was not legal.
The reason an excellent attorney Jim Comey resigned as Deputy Attorney General was because of the conduct of Andy Card and Gonzales during the hospitalization.
In short, they tried an end run around Comey as Acting AG to browbeat Ashcroft who was zonked on IV narcotics and sepsis.
Comey was acting AG because John Ashcroft was in the ICU hours after he had surgery for gallstones causing pancreatitis. Ashcroft was in the ICU for six days at GW to try to control sepsis from his gallstones. Out of control it can be fatal, and it’s extremely painful so Ashcroft was heavily medicated.
Any episode of acute pancreatitis is life threatening, and repeated episodes have a higher probability of death.
While Ashcroft was hospitalized, Jim Comey became Acting AG.
Comey had given the official opinion of DOJ that the warantless wiretapping was illegal. Andy Card and Gonzales rushed to the hospital while Ashcroft was not officially AG, and was being treated for acute pancreatitis. Their objective was to argue with him to overrule Jim Comey. Remember that at this time Gonzales was not in the Justice Department, and he, Bush, and CIA Director Mike Hayden wanted DOJ to claim the illegal wiretapping was legal to cover their a$$.
Mueller took notes on the hospital visit after Comey called him to come over, and those notes were turned over to SJC, after of course, being heavily redacted.
The argument with Comey from Card, Bush, and Mike Hagen was over data mining your email and your recorded phone calls.
On March 11, 2004, remember, the warrantless wiretap program was operating without the approval of the Acting Attorney General. After Jim Comey refused to recertify the program on March 9, after Andy Card and Alberto Gonzales tried to get John Ashcroft to overrule Comey from his ICU bed on March 10, Bush reauthorized the program using only the legal sanction of then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales on March 11.
Bush reauthorized not only illegal wiretapping without the approval of DOJ, as well as data mining domestic phone calls and emails.
AmVet
February 27th, 2009
11:11 pm
“Bruce Windsor is known as many things: church deacon, soccer coach, father of four. But facing potential financial problems, he’s now known as something else: suspected bank robber. Police say the 43-year-old owner of a real estate company walked into the Carolina First Bank with a mask and a handgun, touching off a tense 90-minute standoff before he released his hostages and surrendered.”
Just the beginning…
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 27th, 2009
11:12 pm
AmVet, Whiny Mikey the stalker boy is after you.
Don’t say anything bad about his Stormfront pals – you’ll never hear the end of it.
RW-(the original)
February 27th, 2009
11:17 pm
Just the beginning…
Confession is good for the soul, amvet, and now we know why you sit in the car listening to the radio while you wait for “associates” to bring you paper, but if you want to continue in this line of work make sure you get somebody much more creative than yourself to write the holdup notes.
Sam
February 27th, 2009
11:25 pm
Can’t wait to see this piece of $hit “newspaper” go under like the Rocky Mountain News. I’ll be happy to pay more taxes to pay for Jay’s unemployment benefits…..
AmVet
February 27th, 2009
11:31 pm
Sam, many years ago I used to read the RMN for he very short time I lived there. Denver had two newspapers back then. I know old fashioned, and you likely mistake the op-ed stuff for news anyway…
GHT, saying this annoyance and his new girlfriend are “after me’ is like saying the Pacific Ocean has a little water in it.
These people are simply and unconditionally obsessed with some of us.
I haven’t initiated a confab with Ricky in weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks.
But he sure likes “conversing” with me.
BTW RW, you neo-cons should never try being witty. You’re like that 1/2 Hour News Hour, too dumb and WAY too painful to watch.
But hey, you guys got that stitch of a funnyman Dennis Miller goin’ for ya!
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 27th, 2009
11:39 pm
51%-witty is too witty for these whiny half-wit RightWingnutterbutters, AmVet.
Idiot sociopaths don’t do humor.
RW-(the original)
February 27th, 2009
11:42 pm
amvet,
I hated the half hour news hour and with apologies to @@ I really don’t care for Miller, but your denial of your obsession with me is downright unhealthy for you fellow. While I’m still perfectly willing to let you take your best shot at me in person I’m also willing to ignore all of what you say instead of the usual most of what you say. Sadly I can’t type a word that doesn’t invade your every thought and I’m not willing to not post just because of your obsession with me.
AmVet
February 27th, 2009
11:49 pm
RW, you keep challenging me like were in the 8th grade.
I merely made a statement of fact, speaking to someone else, which nothing whatsoever to do with you. Or concerned you in the slightest for that matter.
But this is what you do, Gladys Kravitz.
Pitiful.
OK, g’night GHT, g’night John Boy, night night ballerina…
DB, Gwinnettian
February 28th, 2009
7:09 am
Mornin’ all. Having skimmed the foodfight here, guess the answer to Jay’s question is “nope.”
Can’t wait to see this piece of $hit “newspaper” go under like the Rocky Mountain News. I’ll be happy to pay more taxes to pay for Jay’s unemployment benefits…..
Any conservatives disagree with this? want to actually criticize this sentiment? or is this more or less how you feel about the “liberal media”?
RW, if you’re around, I had a chance to read the WSJ opinion piece
you’d yesterday linked. It plays a little fast and loose with stats (it wouldn’t be a WSJ opinion piece if it didn’t) but I don’t mind being reminded of the difficulty of the task ahead.
I’m up for a chat about it at some future point.
I Report/ You Whine
February 28th, 2009
7:10 am
So how’s the “end” of the Iraq war working for you libs?
Obama sets end to Iraq combat August 31, 2010: Fighting forces will withdraw; up to 50,000 will stay 18 more months for support.-Wall Mounted Restroom Fixtures
That’s three more years of war for those of you chronologically challenged.
World War 2 only lasted 3 years.
The Civil War was over in 4 years.
WTF does Oblahmi mean by “The End?”
Geez, you libs are pretty gullible, huh?
DB, Gwinnettian
February 28th, 2009
7:25 am
I guess it wouldn’t be off-topic to comment on the Mike/Commie/Taxpayer/RW food-fight that happened.
That was pretty embarrassing, gents. Do you guys have lives? I’m beginning to wonder.
I say that as someone who’s fallen prey to the vortex of suckitude that is a personal-insult comments thread flareup on more occasions than I care to recall. I’d like to think I never “started it” but, well, when I tell Commie to blow a goat or suchlike I guess something more nasty is likely to follow.
One thing I am capable of doing, though, is saying “I’m done with this” and brushing off the “come back here you coward!” nonsense that invariably follows. Wish more people were.
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 28th, 2009
7:28 am
The Iraq answer for our RightWingnutterbutter little chickenhawk buddies is more war, of course, not less. Afghanistan? More war. North Korea? Why, war of course. Illegal immigration? War with Mexico. Bad attitudes coming out of Havana and Caracas? Send some troops, that’ll learn Castro and Chavez. Iran? Nuke it ’til it glows. Hey Russia – you wanna piece of us?
Gotta protect the Holy Land – the Rspture is coming, and the Jews need to be there for the End Days – some more war there, thank you.
Let’s wipe the smug sneers off’n those Frenchies’ faces – war war war.
Canada – stop lookin’ at us funny…
Ahh, the good old war of all against all – it never ends…
Keep thrumpin’ your chickenhawk chests, RightWingnutterbutters, and wavin’ those flags.
Your cheerleading is important, yes it is.
I just wish you looked better in your little skirts.
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 28th, 2009
7:31 am
And, my chickenhawk cheerleader “friends” – stop all that silly stuff you’re always doing in the airport mens room..
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 28th, 2009
7:40 am
I’m quite disappointed in Obama having anything to do with Dumbya and his incompetent generals’ strategery (also known as cluster-fawk) in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Clinton put Milosevic and a bunch of other war criminal clowns behind bars losing 2 guys in a helicopter accident. Bush had almost 5000 Americans and only God knows how many innocent civilians killed, and the ringleaders sit and drink tea every day for over seven gawddamn years.
I’m disappointed that Obama has been hoodwinked by a gaggle of incompetent fools.
DB, Gwinnettian
February 28th, 2009
7:40 am
GHT, mornin’.
You had some fairly thoughtful replies to my questions about your posting habits coupla days back and I never really had a chance to get back to you.
Sometimes you’re pretty funny. I admit to chuckling at some of your zingers. Your answer about your name not being offensive to anyone save those who “self-identify as trash” for instance.
I hope you’ll understand when I call you out on especially douchebaggy behavior I’m not doing it just so I can appear “balanced” but because it’s genuine. ‘K?
Anyway, hope you and “I…Whine” have a splendid time flingin’ the poop in these early hours. (I thought I was going to run, but thunderstorm warnings have me grounded for awhile.)
catlady
February 28th, 2009
7:47 am
commie, my dad graduated from Duke with a BS in EE. He did it in 3 years.
catlady
February 28th, 2009
7:49 am
I Report: the Civil War is still being fought by many.
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 28th, 2009
7:57 am
Before he was appointed commander in Iraq, KommieRNC, Duhng, and Whiny Mikey had as much combat theater experience as Petraeus.
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 28th, 2009
8:00 am
Flingin’ the poop? Or flingin’ the peanut butter?
In Georgia, it’s the same thing.
Taxpayer
February 28th, 2009
8:03 am
DB,
Good morning. As for your comment about the food fight, Well, try to spoil my fun would ya. And all this time I thought that I was going easy on them — slinging only soft food and such.
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 28th, 2009
8:23 am
I’ve been pondering the case of Mr. Parnell, the CEO of PCA, the poopy peanut company.
That he was CEO of a company making peanut products and he didn’t know that there wasn’t supposed to be poop in the peanuts certainly makes one wonder about the quality of bizness ‘leadership’ in this country.
Maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt – that he just didn’t know that poop in your peanut butter wasn’t a bad thing.
Does Georgia have a facility for the criminally retarded?
GodHatesTrash, Superstar
February 28th, 2009
8:25 am
Hey, Mike Vick just got out. Let’s help him pay his debt to society with some good public service.
Send him fellow Virginian Mr. Parnell for some behavior training.
DB, Gwinnettian
February 28th, 2009
8:39 am
“certainly makes one wonder about the quality of bizness ‘leadership’ in this country.”
Well, it’s just one guy, one company. Having said that, whenever I hear someone say “we need gubmint to be run more like a BUSINESS” I have to wonder how much actual business experience said person’s actually spent.
Off to the new thread…