Jindal had his moment, and he blew it

Geez-

Some of the harshest reaction came from conservatives who had hopes Jindal could be the party’s standard bearer. David Brooks put it bluntly:

I quit reading your column right there.

David Brooks approved of John McCain.

Need I say more?

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With Jindal and Palin as the primary faces and voices of the GOP, the democrats are ensured a long term at the helm. Even for democrat loyalist, it has to be a concern that the GOP cannot do any better in putting forward a good opponent. Strong leaders from both parties is good for the country. The GOP continues to fail America and their party.

For Jindal to have the termerity to turn down any money, regardless of where it comes from, for Louisiana, a despetrately poor, uneducated, under-employed and backward state, shows no compassion or sense for his constituancy.

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Jay says, “Bad message. Worse delivery.”

I agree that that Jindal’s delivery was bad. He looked like he was trying to talk to a classroom full of fifth graders. The only saving grace is that compared to the “bad message” our idiot-in-chief delivered, Jindal came off looking like a genius.

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Wasn’t it interesting that Gov Jindal was selected to give the speech? Is the GOP closet empty at the Federal level since no Senator or Congressman was selected to give the “Federal” response? Maybe that’s poor wording since I believe Senator Craig’s trial has begun.

I watched the beginning of his speech, but could not watch more. He came out with the “Howdy Doody” smile and said virtually nothing! His tone and content was condescending to me.

I was a supporter of Gov Jindal, but he disappointed me last night.

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Jindal didn’t lie so the libs whine, they like to be fed bull……

Open wide, little sycophants-

Holdren’s particular brand of science is infected by what we can only call a doomsday bias. Over the past 40 years, he has warned of population-growth induced “ecocide,” “global cooling,” global warming due to heat dissipation from power plants, nuclear Armageddon, and — this week — “climate disruption” caused by increased concentrations of atmospheric greenhouse gases.

Holdren was pressed about his 1986 claim that global warming could cause 1 billion deaths by 2020. Holdren at first dissembled, suggesting that his earlier comment was a “description of possibilities,” rather than a “prediction.” The senator wouldn’t let it slide, so Holdren dug in. He said “it is still a possibility” that climate change would kill 1 billion people by 2020.-AmSpec

That’s Oblahmi’s new shaman, er, chief adviser of junk science..

duh

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In a word….PATHETIC!

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To follow a great speaker like Obama, they needed a great speaker as well. Jindal was adequate… for a Jr. High debate club. Is this all the GOP has? Not to mention he was lying right out of the gate. Substance and delivery were lacking.

Plus, where were all the Republicans fiscal conservatives worrying about their children tax obligation while Bush was running up the largest deficits in history. Discretionary spending went through the roof and pork was flying around like bees, yet no Republican fiscal conservatives were going off on their children’s future tax obligation. Funny how they get so upset about it now.

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Didn’t stay up to watch, but just read a transcript.

Question for those who have seen it: did the Gov. make bunny-ears to indicate quotation marks when he uttered the words “magnetic levitation”?

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[...] Gergen and Brooks exchange some choice words criticizing Jindal. The AJC has collected the best of the, along with a few others, here. [...]

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Unless people with common sense suddenly seize control of the GOP, or another party rises to supplant them, the American people had better get used to a one-party system. This is not good, but Republicans have been destroying themselves since 1994.

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So I read the thing, it seemed the first half was pretty gracious, and the second half was more or less what one expects. He fibbed about it being a “trillion dollar spending bill” (it’s not a trillion, and it isn’t all spending, so…)

But at least he managed to use the word “Democratic” as an adjective, rather than the preferred imaginary-adjective “Democrat.” I know it’s hard for some Republicans to break that habit.

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“Who among us would ask our children for a loan, so we could spend money we do not have, on things we do not need?”

I suppose the loan we asked for in order to wander around the desert & randomly topple a dictator was totally worthwhile, huh?

Why does AJC/DNC insist on quoting from AmSpec like it’s any kind of legit resource? That’s akin to a moonbat constantly posting Kos soundbytes as “proof” of their position.

But yeah, I thought Piyush was kinda creepy. Howdy Doody indeed.

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I’m lost. I don’t get it. The Republican Party, it seems to me, has
eaten the brownie. They throw out Palin and Lindal as their finest,
They won’t reach out to help this cou ntry and all they can offer is
tax cuts as the only solution. If you are a Government, and you made
50.00 a week (read taxes) and you had 50.00 a week expenses (read S. S.,
Medicade), would lowering your income to 45.00 a week (read tax cuts)
really help? The Republican Party IS the “Do Nothing Party”. And if
they don’t get with the program, come 2110, a bunch of them will have
nothing to do.

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Wasn’t it interesting that Gov Jindal was selected to give the speech? Is the GOP closet empty at the Federal level since no Senator or Congressman was selected to give the “Federal” response?

I don’t think it’s such a big deal–the GOP had NJ Gov. Christie Todd Whitman respond to a Clinton SoTU address in… looked it up, 1995. Don’t recall that was controversial at the time.

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WASHINGTON (AP) – President Barack Obama knows Americans are unhappy that the government could rescue people who bought mansions beyond their means.

But his assurance Tuesday night that only the deserving will get help rang hollow.

Even officials in his administration, many supporters of the plan in Congress and the Federal Reserve chairman expect some of that money will go to people who used lousy judgment.

The president skipped over several complex economic circumstances in his speech to Congress – and may have started an international debate among trivia lovers and auto buffs over what country invented the car.

A look at some of his assertions:

OBAMA: “We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages. It’s a plan that won’t help speculators or that neighbor down the street who bought a house he could never hope to afford, but it will help millions of Americans who are struggling with declining home values.”

THE FACTS: If the administration has come up with a way to ensure money only goes to those who got in honest trouble, it hasn’t said so.

Defending the program Tuesday at a Senate hearing, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said it’s important to save those who made bad calls, for the greater good. He likened it to calling the fire department to put out a blaze caused by someone smoking in bed.

“I think the smart way to deal with a situation like that is to put out the fire, save him from his own consequences of his own action but then, going forward, enact penalties and set tougher rules about smoking in bed.”

Similarly, the head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. suggested this month it’s not likely aid will be denied to all homeowners who overstated their income or assets to get a mortgage they couldn’t afford.

“I think it’s just simply impractical to try to do a forensic analysis of each and every one of these delinquent loans,” Sheila Bair told National Public Radio.

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OBAMA: “And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it.”

THE FACTS: Depends what your definition of automobiles, is. According to the Library of Congress, the inventor of the first true automobile was probably Germany’s Karl Benz, who created the first auto powered by an internal combustion gasoline engine, in 1885 or 1886. In the U.S., Charles Duryea tested what library researchers called the first successful gas-powered car in 1893. Nobody disputes that Henry Ford created the first assembly line that made cars affordable.

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OBAMA: “We have known for decades that our survival depends on finding new sources of energy. Yet we import more oil today than ever before.”

THE FACTS: Oil imports peaked in 2005 at just over 5 billion barrels, and have been declining slightly since. The figure in 2007 was 4.9 billion barrels, or about 58 percent of total consumption. The nation is on pace this year to import 4.7 billion barrels, and government projections are for imports to hold steady or decrease a bit over the next two decades.

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OBAMA: “We have already identified $2 trillion in savings over the next decade.”

THE FACTS: Although 10-year projections are common in government, they don’t mean much. And at times, they are a way for a president to pass on the most painful steps to his successor, by putting off big tax increases or spending cuts until someone else is in the White House.

Obama only has a real say on spending during the four years of his term. He may

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You got that right, Jay. Jindal must’ve thought he was speaking to a class of first graders. It was pitiful. On the other hand, how inspiring to see Nancy and Joe and The President and Hillary and Tim and all those other adults taking charge of our government. I couldn’t stop smiling. Finally, we have some leaders we can follow…and actually be proud of. It was a good night for those of us who care about our country and our fellow citizens. YES!!!

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What I also find interesting is that, no matter who gave the GOP speech, every single lib including Jay would still say the speech was terrible. Keep trashing Jindal. It only helps his cause. Once Obama bankrupts the country, gets us attacked and socializes medicine the country will be begging for “change we can believe in.”

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Yep…his deliverly sucked. His message was OK but now that we are entering socialism the masses dont want to hear about toughing it out; they would rather hear about how they can steal from their hard working neighbors. I’m afraid Obama and the dems can run rampant as they obviously have nothing to fear from the republicans.

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“I suppose the loan we asked for in order to wander around the desert & randomly topple a dictator was totally worthwhile, huh?”

sane jane,

Yeap, my sentiments exactly. I’m not a big fan of the stimulus, but it’s needed right now, and when I hear people complain about it, I just say the word “Iraq.”

And, I’m perfectly aware that two wrongs don’t make a right (we’ll spend because they did) but I feel alot of that money is necessary right now in this environment.

I noticed in the paper yesterday that state employees are on furloughs, and my local education systems are facing more cutbacks, and Sonny says he’s not gonna take stimulus money. Yeah. That’ll go over well with teachers who effectively ousted Roy Barnes when he proclaimed he didn’t need the teacher vote.

I didn’t see the speech last night, or Jindal’s performance, so I can’t comment on that. I was out paying for the occupation (and the bailout/stimulus package) as AmVet likes to say.

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Well, Mrs. G, if we absolutely must have a Republican party to help keep the Democratic (that one was for you, DB) party in check, I suppose we could do worse than Republicans cast in the mold of Eisenhower. After all, he did do a few good things like expand social security and start the interstate highway system. He didn’t tackle many of the tough issues of his time though and, after leaving office, that earned him the distinction of being a Do Nothing Republican. And, I bet some of these modern day Republicans thought they were the first of the Do Nothing Republicans. Nope. They’ve been there and done that before too.

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What could Jindal say? Obozo said absolutely nothing different than the drivel he’s been spounting for 37 days. It is the same nonsense that has caused investor confidence to plummnet, increase his disapproval rating to 24%.

My dear departed Grandmother told me many time; “You can’t have a conversation with a fool. Don’t try.”

Jindal must have heard the same advice.

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DB, Gwinnettian,
Bush was spot on with SS. It’s gone. Nada, and if you are stupid enough, and I believe you are, to believe that it will all be there when you retire then you really do fit the model of a democrat voter. Naive, uneducated and still believe in Santa Claus.

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Bosch,
spare you the lecture? Um, last time I checked it was still a free country, comrade. I can say pretty much whatever I want. If you don’t like the fact that Hussein is his middle name then I’d ask you to get over it.

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Observer
Given the logic you toss out should your property tax bill be revised to include the debt serviced on your mortgage? “To state it any other way is misleading.”

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In fact, it is indeed more than a trillion when you factor in debt service (interest)

Observer, a little common sense, please. Had Obama similarly “factored in debt service” when, say, specifying the costs of the Iraq war in 2008 campaign stump speeches, you think Republicans would’ve cut him any slack?

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Bosch,
your hypocrisy is showing bright today. You guys ripped on Bush for 8 solid years and yet you somehow think that all of America should just bow down and agree with Hussein Obama. Got news for you comrade, it ain’t happening. The last people who should be lecturing anyone on tact is you.

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I am fiercly independant, So i take everything that both of the major parties say with a grain of salt. That being said, I had to ask myself “What the H*** was Jidal doing?? We all know that the message is what should matter, but If the messanger falls short, you are done before you get started. Jindal blew it and we all know it…..

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You are a Socialist and have no idea what you are talking about. Obama is an empty suit and blows hot air. He could NEVER make any of those promises and cut the deficit! I majored in Economics and what he has planned will break us and destroy us economicaly.

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Nobama Nomore

Pres Obama’s plan to cut the deficit will destroy us economically?

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Here is the problem with the “opposition” party. Surely there are times when you have a point of agreement with the majority party. Just saying “no” to their “yes” gets a tad old in about 2 weeks.

Gov. Jindal lacks one of the most essential talents to be a politician and a leader – oratory skills. Repeating the republican tag line – yet again, fell flat and will continue to do so. The GOP really needs to seriously find a better way to connect with the American people.

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Piyush simpering Chimperor-style into the Republican echo chamber.

What was he thinking?

Oh. He’s GOP.

He doesn’t have to think. Just spout the same old tired lies.

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Chuck Norris is really starting to show his years. I bet he’d have a hard time kicking multiple buttocks at the same time any more. He might have to settle for taking down the bad guys one at a time now.

As for Obama, he’s gonna kick a whole bunch of Republican buttocks at once and he all but told them so to their faces in that speech. The lying ways of the Good Ole Boy Bush days are gone. The wasteful Iraq war is coming to an end, 52,000 tax cheats can run but they cannot hide, the deserving will get the tax breaks and that list does not include no arrogant scumbags in CEO slots…change is good as long as it’s good change like that which Obama brings. Yippe-ki-yay.

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Nobama Nomore,
You don’t have to have a MBA (which I do) to realize that there are 2 ways to have more money to spend a. borrow money or b. cut expenses.
I guess you missed the part where President Obama said they had to cut many programs. He will also reduce the tremendous money we spend in Iraq. Hell just getting rid of Halliburton will save billions. It’s not that difficult. We do this with our own budgets. Times are tight now so most Americans will stop eating out, going to the movies and malls. You don’t think that will give them more money in their wallents even if the don’t get a pay raise? Explain.

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OMG! Does CommunistAJC work? This joker has time to reply to each and every post about these stupid Neo-Cons, please gives all a break and shut up!

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DB, I responded to your question on the last thread…

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Dusty:
Ditto to you. We know President Obama hit the mark when we read your comments. Way to try to convince yourself. You aren’t convincing us.

BTW – Jindal was horrific! The GOP should just put this crap on flash cards and show them in lieu of a poorly framed speech. Until the GOP realizes they have a problem, they are doomed to repeat their past mistakes and ruin their chances of ever winning a national election. Oh well, that’s the choice you make.

Obama was fantasitic and a sure-footed leader. NO one can take that away.

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I’m with Dusty on this one, it’s Jindal/Palin or Palin/Jindal every four years until they win. They could even toggle the order in each election.

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DB, Gwinnettian,
by all means, defend SS. It’s not going to be there when I retire so I put no effort into caring about it. I have my own savings and investments that are well out of reach of your imperial socialist president. And yes, I fully understand how SS is projected to bestructured and funded. Dimwit, that’s why I invest in other things. It’s a pipe dream to think that any of our SS dollars will be seen again. It’s you who is going to wake up one day and wonder what happened.

By the way, all the trash talk about Jindal is ridiculous. What was he supposed to say and do? It’s a response. Not one response from ANY State of the Union has done anything for either side in past years. I might also add that we are only 2 months into Hussein Obamas first term. Get ready for a bumpy ride troglodytes because anyone who invests in government interests will be disappointed.

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Just skimmed through the comments, and especially last night, wow! The rabid Reich-wing is in an even bigger delusional tizzy than usual.

It has been noted often here and everywhere else from sea to shining sea – the current GOP is little more than a train wreck. Discounted and repudiated, they are a joke and their straight man is Mr. Jindal.

About a week or so ago, I asked the BushCo bootlickers here to show me ANY Republican alternatives to this proposed “stimulus package”.

The response?

Mikey the Chaste, aka, the Demander in Chief, provided a 36 page pdf. With nary an explanation or summary.

I shiite you not. It was obvious he had not even looked at it, nor could intelligently talk about a single thing in it.

I ask again fiscally fraud conservatives – where are the loyal oppositions alternative and superior recommendations to this proposal?

Take your time and don’t hurt yourselves, ostriches. I’ll be out for a few hours, helping pay for the bailouts, the occupation and your welfare payments…

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Anyone following Obama had a tough task. However, Jindal was horrible. I don’t really know him, I’m only vaguely familiar, but from what I saw last night he is not the GOP’s great brown hope. Frankly, I haven’t been impressed with this Steele character either. Maybe the GOP brand is that shattered or maybe the GOP lacks talent or maybe I’m personally that disaffected by the GOP. But the GOP has yet to present a good case, even with the nice guy Jindal. He bombed.

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DB,

You didn’t really need to go all the way back to 1995 to find a Governor giving the response to a State of the Union/Not State of the Union address. It was only as short a time back as 2006 when Tim Kaine trotted out his trick eyebrow to distract us from whatever he said in his response.

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Since the Social Security Trust Fund had a balance of $2 trillion, $366 billion at the end of 2008, why not suspend taxes until the economy recovers? Oh, I forgot. Reagan spent it on Star Wars and bombers, and Bush spent it in Iraq.

Was that 1983 hare-brained idea the biggest tax increase in our history?

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What a great country!

We allow the minority a voice.

CNN reaction poll:

64% very positive

24% somewhat positive

8% negative

That 8% is pretty loud this morning, but it seems all that volume is wasted effort.

Hot Damn! We got a hellava Pres!

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c’ajc, you can name-call all you like in an effort to keep me off your trail, but it’s not going to work. There’s no reason to assume that SS “won’t be there” (a whine–sorry, Jay–I’ve heard from all kinds of people for the past thirty years!) as presently configured. Possibly scaled back a little bit due to political pressure brought to bear by righties, sure. But failing some social upheaval like a Civil War or invasion/occupation from another Great Power, no. You’re wrong.

GHT, I read your reply, thanks for troubling yourself to do this.

Obviously you and I disagree on style but not political ideology, not all that much. About all I can do is ask you to try to tone it back a bit, and maybe encourage dialog with those to the right of us who aren’t behaving like “nutterbutters” (your term) at a given moment.

Then again, I guess that anyone with as deliberately provocative a screen name as yours isn’t really here to encourage dialog with political opposites. (Same goes for the ridiculously named, and utterly rude to the host, “CommunistAJC” and “AJC/DNC Management”, of course.)

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Bosch

I was putting forth the idea of Democrats encouraging deterioration of full-time jobs thru legitimizing full unemployment benefits for part-time workers as a Republican strategy. Reality is, Dems hold the Legislative reins. For all the talk about evil CEOs and screwing the workers they have the ability to legislate some changes in how the transition to part-time workers happens. Democrats haven’t.

But expanding benefits for part-time workers is, I believe, a permanent change the states will have to pay for.

I get a kick out of the WalMart example (did you know they used to advertise “American made” for their stuff?). People complain and complain about jobs going overseas. Then what do they do? They go to WalMart ‘cause they’re cheaper! And one reason they’re cheaper? They buy from China and lots of other countries!

Irony. I love irony.

Your point about the perception of Democrats being more sympathetic to workers? Sure (and now you’re gonna get hammered with flames about how it’s Labor Workers and the stimulus bill is a payoff (in some cases, it was) and all that. So get ready. But that perception is why I thought Reps could make some points against their Democratic opponents over the part-time worker thing. But Reps have the perception of being in the pockets of the corporations.

Hey, that’s why we don’t have any viable third parties! Dems take workers, Reps take corporations. Dems take spending, Reps take tax cuts. Dems take gov’t providing, Reps take private industry providing. There ain’t any readily identifiable third options, so no third party.

Wow. My work here today is done.

Didja get that, AmVet?

59 hours 43 minutes

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“It was only as short a time back as 2006 when Tim Kaine trotted out his trick eyebrow to distract us from whatever he said in his response.”

Snort. Yeah, I remember him not being very good (actually did stay up to watch that, I seem to remember).

With Christie/’95, I figured I’d find a Republican to use as a “so what?” example, though. Apples:apples and all.

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Uh, I’m going to, uh, cure cancer!!

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Wow! What a number, huh! An outbreak of salmonella food poisoning traced to peanut products has sickened 666 people and is continuing despite one of the biggest food recalls in U.S. history, health officials said on Tuesday. Of course, we don’t need no steenking government to handle this. That’s what lynch mobs were made for — they’re quick and very efficient.

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Oh my goodness, President Obama won the Oscar awards last night for making the best speech since “Mr. Smith goes to Washington” or was it Mr. Jones? That was the best “performance” I’ve seen from an amateur actor in a long time. He even got a bit of MLK there at the end. Oh the emphasis, the religious fervor, I was impressed.

Yep, he gets the “Oscar” for his role in BIGGEST & BEST DEBT EVER. He gets a hot dog and chili for his over the rainbow solutions. He forgot to tell us where the pot of gold was coming from when we get the rainbow. BUT who noticed? All were enthralled! Poor losers. Waiting for the handouts with joy!!

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DB,

These responses always look ridiculous compared to the spectacle of the SotU/NSotU speech. On balance I was far more pleased by the message Jindal gave than the one Obama gave, but I guess that’s what makes the world go ’round.

There has never been a response, nor do I think there ever will be, that was as clownish and SNL ready than the one where Harry and Nancy sat in front of a fire and stared at us for ten minutes.

I’m off to the forest, see y’all upstairs for happy hour.

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Ahahahahahaaha-

Biden Forgets Name of RECOVERY.GOV: ‘Do You Know The Website ——————->Number?’<———————

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Paul,

I know these words are English:

“I was putting forth the idea of Democrats encouraging deterioration of full-time jobs thru legitimizing full unemployment benefits for part-time workers as a Republican strategy”

But I’m not following.

I was not aware that they are expanding full-time unemployment benefits to part-time workers. That’s news to me – but again, where have you seen that is a permanent solution?

And I think all stereotypical perceptions of the parties are no longer – well, they can still be perceived that way, but the GOP has pretty much squashed the idea of the Demos being the big spenders, huh?

I got an idea for a third party – how ’bout people like me and you who want people with common damn sense to run the country – item comes across our desk – “no, that’s crazy and doesn’t do any good for the country, out, next.” We can be President and Vice – I’ll take Vice – they seem to have the easier job (except in Cheney’s case).

I love irony too – and you know that Alanis Morsette song, “Ironic”? Ya’ know what bugs me about that song? Not one example she gives is irony, or maybe that’s the point – they are all just examples of “well that sucks.”

59 hours and 33 minutes now.

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Dear Taxpayer,

Forget about peanut butter. You know all about lynching. You tried it for eight years with President Bush. He protected us anyway while you ran around with your white flag. So try for a new word from your put-down vocabulary. Lynching is outdated. You wore it out a long time ago.

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Ahahahahahahaha-

Durbin to Burris: I’d quit if I were you

yeah, sure he would.

geez

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Hey AJC/DNC Management PLEASE do not play that “we can’t let our grandchildren pay our bills” song now. It was GW who put us into Trillions of dollars in debt with his tax breaks for his oil buddy friends and starting a war that was unjust and unfounded. HE and the Repubs spen JUST as much if not more than this stimulus. The difference? Obama’s $ will go to building schools, road and bridges and creating job HERE in AMERICA, not IRAQ. And will go to working Americans not just the wealthy few. GET OVER IT. The GOP got us here. They no longer have any real say. They blew it! Like Jindal did last night.

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On the one hand, as a Democrat, comments like those from Dusty and AJC/DNC Management tell me that the Democrats are in for a long run in the White House and in Congress. These are marginal characters who clearly respond with anger and condemnation rather than thoughtfulness. If the Republicans are committed to representing people like this, then the Republican will continue to move to the fringes.

On the other hand, as an American, our-two party sytem is important. Effective, responsible, and realistic debate on the issues is critical to the balance we must have as a country. Mr. Obama would welcome such comments because he’s more concerned about our country than the idiologically-oriented Mr. Bush was. The Republican party has a choice. They can continue to foster and nurture the fringe that essentially believes in nothing or they can move back to the middle and join in productive debate.

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Well, Fox News said the Jindal speech was OK and that’s good enough for me. Who you going to beleive, Fox News or a bunch of lying librul stations that got no morals? Have a good day everybody.

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To KNelson: Obama has not even been in office for 100 days and you are saying he is already worse than Bush? Give me a break! Also, you Republicans don’t want to face this but the nationalization of banks was started under Bush at HIS urging. This is Bush’s mess and Obama and congress has to deal with it.
To CommunistAJC: you are the one with the poor memory. 4 years ago everyone though Hillary would be president. Hello!

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Sarah P

February 25th, 2009
10:33 am

That ‘P’ doesn’t stand for Palmer, does it?

He wasn’t conceived in the USA. Is he eligible?

Make that bear “market” rally.

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I seldom go for the low ball but this time I can’t help myself:

I WANT TO SEE JINDAL’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

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elvez 10:36

You do realize Gov Jindal is a Rhodes scholar, same as Pres Clinton?

Management 10:33

That’s the laugh of the day! Thanks!

Bosch

Yeah, the Reps really blew the fiscal responsibility thing, Trying to get it back, it’s kinda like the guy saying “honest, honey, she didn’t mean anything to me… you’re the only one… it’ll never happen again…” and then waiting for her to believe you. That’s as opposed to the Democrats who know what they get with no illusions, illustrated by the woman saying “yeah, I know he screws around and he’ll never change, but lookit all this neat stuff he buys me!!!”

But here we have a first: a Democratic president who just may cut wasteful or inefficient programs. It’s a nice promise. We’ll see.

The worker issue: my understanding is that restrictions on unemployment benefits for part-time workers were greatly eased and this is a permanent change. The ‘have fun with strategy’ example was:

– Democrats expand unemployment benefits for part-time workers

– This reduces the negative stigma of corporations screwing the labor force, as more benefits are accorded those with part-time status

- This will encourage the trend to convert full-time to part-time, eroding pay and benefits for workers

- Highlighting that, and noting Democrats have not initiated any legislation to stop this, and calling them to do so, will give the impression Republicans are fighting for full-time jobs to stay in America.

Hey, look! I just saw a pig fly!!!

59 hours 4 minutes

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Say good night GOP.

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Well, Dusty, lynching is on the list of Republican things to do, dontcha know. It requires no government regulations or oversight and it is operated by the citizens with no government expenditures for Sherriffs and jails and judges and laws and all that stuff that costs taxpayer dollars. You should be thrilled, even salivating at the prospect. You are, aren’t you.

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Palin/Wurlzberger ‘12?

Jindal/Wurlzberger ‘12?

Palin/Jindal… Jindal/Palin ‘12?

So many choices! So few choices!

Ha, ha, ha, ha!!11!1!.

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Jake

February 25th, 2009
11:01 am

I understand her code name is “linebacker.” But she handles herself pretty well, and so far has been an asset. If O! can handle her, he deserves our repsect and admiration.

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NRB

February 25th, 2009
11:05 am

I stand chastised and humiliated, but the day is young.

And like Management, you can revel in your patriotism.

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It’s a beautiful day in this neighborhood,
A beautiful day for a neighbor,
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?

It’s a neighborly day in this beautywood,
A neighborly day for a beauty,
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?

I have always wanted to have a neighbor just like you,
I’ve always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you.

So let’s make the most of this beautiful day,
Since we’re together, we might as well say,
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?
Won’t you be my neighbor?

Won’t you please,
Won’t you please,
Please won’t you be my neighbor?

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Republicans pander to their constituents by offering tax cuts.

Democrats pander to their constituents by offering free lunches.

It’s the nature of the beast.

However, the Republican beast borrows money in lieu of raising taxes. They spend like drunken sailors on wars, but justify it by saluting the flag while their draining our coffers dry.

At least the Democrats don’t hide their spendaholic tendencies. The Republicans are hypocrites, and will never get my vote.

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DB, I don’t think my screen-name selection is provocative to anyone except maybe to people that self-identify as trash. It’s not my fault that many of the Bookman RightWingnutterbutters do.

Some of my stalkers here followed me over from some posts I made on Creative Loafing blogs “dialoging” with some Stormfront aficionados.

(I think “trash” is a fairly tepid description of Stormfronters and their oogedy-boogedy sympathizers. )

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Dusty

February 25th, 2009
11:12 am

Reagan and Bush are responsible for $10 trillion of the $11 trillion national debt. Get back with us when O! surpasses that.

Hip Hopcracy

February 25th, 2009
11:15 am

Republicans spend like drunken Democrats.

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Ahahahahahahahahaha-

At the National Governors Association meetings in Washington, D.C., Gov. Phil Bredesen said this week that he might turn down relief for unemployed workers worth an estimated $143 million because of conditions placed on the money by Congress.

Ahahahahahahahahaha.

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Well, GHT, I happen to think God loves all creatures great and small, but I’m weird that way.

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When the PrezBO loses faith in the self-serving U.N., I may muster a smidgen of confidence in this intelligence so many liberals speak about. Until then I see him as a dupe to be exploited.

In that vein, congressional Democrats are using the financial crisis to spend hundreds of billions in taxpayer money they didn’t think they could spend before.

As to the $900 million for Gaza “rebuilding,” to be given to the U.N. and nongovernmental organizations, it will “not go to Hamas,” Obama officials told the New York Times.

But nearly four years ago, the Dutch U.N. commissioner-general for Gaza and the West Bank, Peter Hansen, lost his job when he revealed to the Canadian Broadcasting Corp.: “I am sure that there are Hamas members on the UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency) payroll, and I don’t see that as a crime.”

The Gaza funding requires a congressional OK, so Capitol Hill phones may soon be tied up by outraged taxpayers complaining that on top of pork they’re also funding attacks on innocent Jews.

One thing is for sure: Islamist terrorists won’t waste what the U.S. taxpayer gives them on golf courses and solar panels.

The “Dutch” I voted for would not proceed to waste taxpayer’s money without first verifying that this “esteemed” body of terrorist sympathizers actually knew what the hell they are funding. Clearly they, and their enabler, Oblahma, don’t know or don’t care.

Don’t mess with Joe my ash. Don’t mess with Joe’s plumbing business money you little pis-sant. Divest THAT!

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Ahahahahahahahaha, make it stop!!-

Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.), the longest serving Democratic senator, is criticizing President Obama’s appointment of White House “czars” to oversee federal policy, saying these executive positions amount to a power grab by the executive branch.

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Dear Tru gelding,11:20

I did notice that Bush spent a lot of money keeping us free.

Maybe you don’t like that. But he did so that all of you Dems could keep begging for handouts without terrorism.

Sorry, gelding. I take Bush’s war time debt as a bargain for all of us. What do you think is a just debt for freedom? What limits would you prefer? Surrender?

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Jindal are the future of the Republican Party? No, Bobby Jindal had the chance last night to say “we’re open to everyone and all opinions. Instead he sounds more inclusive. I find that funny hearing that from a person of color. This guy has no charisma and claims New Orleans is coming back strong. This is only because of Katrina, which by the way is getting Federal monies to rebuild New Orleans. So, Bobby Jindal if your so anti big government. Please send all the government money to help build New Orleans back! Bush put our children and grand children in debt for a war which there where NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!

Also, I agree with the following quote:

For Jindal to have the temerity to turn down any money, regardless of where it comes from, for Louisiana, a desperately poor, uneducated, under-employed and backward state shows no compassion or sense for his constituency.

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Hey Ballless,

Reagan, Clinton and the Bushs all greatly expanded the GDP along with the 50-65% GDP National debt. 15% difference increase in 30 years. Very much unlike Obama and his drunken band of free spenders that have already increase the national debt another 15%, pushing the debt close to 80% GDP, with more free spending promises in the works.

And as the financially responsible among us all know.., only fools budget like this.

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“PLEASE Mr. goverment help me I am so pittafule i cant make it with out you. Take care of me from birth to death i cant afford healthcare because my cellphone bill cable bill are to high, and dont even forget what it cost to get my hair and nails did. If the goverment will just take care of my housing, food, healthcare, retirement and anything else i need I will pick up the cable,cellphone and nails… thanks a life long democrate”

You know, if you can say what you’ve just written while doing bunny-ears/air quotes, while speaking into a mic, AND look passable in heels, you might just be the next VP candidate.

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Jay has never met or seen a Conservative that he could like and his rantings prove it. I can say one thing for Jindal: He and Our Savior do not share college ties, e.g., Oxford University and being fellow Rhodes Scholars. Geez, I guess they gave it to Bobby out of compassion for having grown up with wealthy native-born parents.

Who do these people (his parents) think they are, telling him that anything is possible in the USA?
Immigrant parents? The very thought of it! My immigrant parents are long gone but they could not speak English when they entered the US and barely could when they died, but they didn’t let that stop them. Hard work and labor, sticking to principles, never ever asking for help or hand-outs. Even survived being Roman Catholics! Imagine that. Sounds like Bobby’s parents.

By the way, I have never said the Democratic party was wrong, only that I strongly disagree with everything they stand and vote for. They have a right to their views, opinions and voting and I have mine. I don’t doubt for a minute that Democrats are – or may be – just as patriotic as I am, nor do I doubt that they believe in what they think, how they act and what they do. I have my way; they have their way.

Our problem is that we have divided ourselves into two camps, bitterness and hatred for one another (Demo vs. Repub.). Power corrupts. The idiotic Republicans, having a chance to really make this a true Republic, screwed up with George Bush. The party’s over and we either mend our fences with one another or we will surely fail.

To paraphrase our late Senator Walter George, addressing his colleagues in the Senate: “Gentlemen, the ox cart is in the ditch. (It) Don’t matter how it got there, it’s there and we gotta get it out!” We should apply this logic to our present economic situation. That situation will surely test our mettle and determine what kind of future we and our children and grandchildren will have.

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Cardinal Red @ 11:27 – Valid points on the Globalist Elite puppet org, the UN. The UN is a pariah & a direct affront to U.S. sovereignty. We should have withdrawn & booted them off U.S. soil decades ago!

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We have a mature, respectful and intelligent President now.

Excellent, President Obama! I love that he will hold government and institutions responsible!
Way to lead… keep up the great work!

I remember the days when I cringed and turned the channel whenever Bush The Criminal would speak. Glad those days are over.

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TAXPAYER are you such a poor example of a man that you cant make it without big mamma looking out for you

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Then, Dusty proclaims that she gladly accepts Bush’s wartime debt but she lacks to mention who she is accepting it for because we know it cannot be her, A Republican, because Republicans only believe in cutting taxes for themselves. So, how does a Republican ever pay off their debt to society.

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This is completely absurd. Gov Jindal did a great job he stands as a citizen and leader. He called out the Rep and Dem’s as he should. GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM. How do you think we got into this mess in the first place?? And to the All Great and Powerful Obama…..there is a huge difference between a BANK and a Finance or Mortgage company. Get your facts straight if you are going to shift blame.

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Awwww. blue is blue because my words rang true. Come on blue, surely that little mass crammed between your ears can do better than that dribble. Surely. Now, go ahead and give it a big gradeschool try. Grunt for me.

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“Biden wears heels?!!?”

Only in AJC/DNC’s wet dreams. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

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If the roles had been reversed, you would call the Messiah Oblamha a friggin genius…you are a typical libtard,

Ted Nugent-2012

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Jindal made some very good points. The only problem I see is that he isn’t the supreme speaker that Obama is… and why that is a problem I still don’t understand.

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The Repub philosophy has been no interference in financial affairs, be it stock market, housing etc. As far as deficits go, correct me if I’m wrong, tax cuts and huge expenses are not a problem for Repubs in terms of massive debt – around 500 bil a yr, I believe.

Now the Dems are trying to fix the huge mess that the pals of the Repubs have caused, that is, fat cat CEOs and we have to hear about free markets and debt and the like. Are Repubs just too stupid to come in out of the rain? I think so.

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The president as rock star. All style, no substance.

No wonder why Jindal’s response was panned. Who cares what he said? He talked funny.

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As our friends over at Buzzfeed pointed out: The blogosphere was atwitter last night with comparisons between Bobby Jindal and Kenneth the page from NBC’s “30 Rock.”

Andrew Sullivan found that if you closed your eyes during Jindal’s response to Obama, you were sure to see sweet Kenneth Parcell’s face float through your head. Sullivan went on to say that he “can barely count the number of emails making that observation.”

Mattfraction on Twitter noted that “Within an hour of the speech, a Google search for “jindal kenneth 30 rock” yielded almost 75,000 hits.” It now offers more than 85,000.

Our own Jason Linkins saw the undeniable similarities and said:

“If it wasn’t such a dead-on comparison it would be catty to say out loud…but there’s no denying it: Bobby Jindal was totally channeling Kenneth The Page from NBC’s ‘30 Rock’ tonight. (With maybe a touch of ‘Moviefone guy.’)”

Gawker offers a bet: “$20 on the already-hot Jack McBrayer playing Jindal this weekend on ‘Saturday Night Live’,” and (maybe most impressively) the Daily What found this .gif of Jindal morphing into Mr. Parcell.

So what do you think? They’re both Southern, and they both have weird religious things going on what with Jindal’s exorcisms and Kenneth’s views that “choosing is a sin” and that hot is “the devil’s temperature.” They also both have the tendency to look like they’re dressing up in their fathers’ suits.

Is this the kind of hard-hitting interview we can expect in the 2012 election?

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I guess if the polls said we should all jump off a cliff,is that the reasoning for not having one’s own opinion? The sad fact is to many americans depend on the media and polls to form an opinion-how sad. And just because you can speak effectively,does’nt mean your not full of S**T. I’ll let the sheep follow the con-artist!!!!

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Herschworld @ 12.05, not only is that in questionable taste, I love Indian food, I indulge that craving when I can, and can never recall having had any gastric distress as a result.

You want to criticize Jindal, criticize him. Leave his ethnicity TF alone.

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The idiot you quoted doesn’t even know how to spell Jindal.

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“I think Jindal was pissed that Obama didn’t add a tax credit for the curry industry in the stimulus bill…But how is that going to create jobs other than the toilet and porcelain sectors”

Note that this racist garbage garnered nary a peep from Bookman. Bigotry is fine with him as long as it is directed at people who don’t share his partisan affiliation.

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Oh how awesome it would be if Uncle Ted would get into politics!

please, dear Lord, you know I don’t ask for much…

I think I’ve still got that Creem magazine where Ted is quoted as saying “I killed two men!”

On the cover.

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Dusty

February 25th, 2009
11:32 am

Freedom from whom? He’s enslaved our heirs to mediocrity and debt.

RealityKing

February 25th, 2009
11:37 am

Clinton had no debt, he started reducing the deficit from the first year. It took him 6 years to turn the financial mess he inherited around. And the $250 billion in spending cuts over 5 years is what got the budget balanced. The entire amount was realized again in the 6th and every year since.

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Jindal made me uncomfortable, but only because it’s hard to hurl and laugh at the same time. But after clearing my windpipe, now gotta say I love it. Love the Newt Gingrich-in-blackface jive both Steele and Jindal are serving up to a nauseous public, almost as much as the “Crazy-Cheney-in-drag” burlesque routine they performed with Sarah Palin. Awesome guys, Obama needs two terms, and you’re a big help.

The right wing loons steering the GOP and posting here don’t get it – and that’s just dandy with me. Should the tone-deaf antics continue, they’ll complete their disconnect with the “reality based community” guaranteeing them a lengthy sojourn in the wilderness before they wander back to where most of the country lives – in the real world.

These dolts really believe they can look “fresh” and “relevant” by recruiting Trojan-horse anti-women’s rights females and sell-out,
anti-civil rights minorities to parrot the same old warmed-over BS? A warmed-up spoiled stew of moldy catch-phrases and trickle-down fantasies served up with a side of Vanilla Ice-style, faux hip-hop… and THAT will return them to power? Screamingly funny, but alas, not even close.

It is hilarious to watch though. SNL doesn’t even need writers anymore with these ‘tards running the GOP and soiling their pants on the national stage. The skits write themselves…

Imagined voices overheard in a GOP strategy session, prior to convention:

“Uh, we’re up to our _ss in alligators, folks! A woman almost won the Dem nom – we better pick a woman VP now to get some of those crazy lady hormonal voters! They must all be having that time of the month. Naw, not one of our QUALIFIED ones – they’re the ##@@!! moderates. Pick the beauty queen, she’s hot, and she talks like Rush! Stop worrying about a woman in the White House – it’s not like she’s for equal pay or choice or anything crazy like that. Think of her as Rush, but sexier. Like Hannity! She’s more of a man than McCain, that’s for sure.
So she’s dumb as a box of rocks? So was George, right? Start a data dump into that pretty empty head, and make sure she practices pronouncing “Ahmadinejad.” And go buy that Arctic hillbilly bunch some decent clothes, for God’s sake.”

Another session, same idiots, post-election: “Holy S__t! The black guy won! I told you we needed to remind the voters that he’s black! Why the ___ do we pay Rove? Remind me! I TOLD ya we shoulda run with the Bobby Rush/Black Panthers talking points and dumped the Ayers angle, but NOOOOO, nobody listened! Well, nice job – more coloreds voted, and now the census says soon whites will be a minority – it’s jungle fever time, folks, and we’re screwed!
I told you guys this would happen when we couldn’t kill the Voting Rights Act, let the commies dump the miscenegenation laws, and let all those wetbacks in to work off the books in our warehouses and put in our swimming pools! Yeah, we fired the census guy, but our new guys say the same thing! We’re gotta start flinging manure at Obama fast – but these uppity Negroes are gonna be a big problem. So, quick, find some black guys! Keyes, Keyes is good, but … no, he’s old news. Same with Condi – and she’s got a crush on Obama, worse than the one she had on Bush! That woman needs, well, you know. Start running background checks on Michael Steele. And we need us another one! Where do you look? How should I know? Do I look like P. Diddy to you? Ask around. Jindal? I dunno, he looks like a damn foreigner to me. Have we checked his birth certificate? Hmmm, he should be dark enough, I guess. Hey, it’s not like we have a deep bench here. Hell yeah, we better start grooming him. Give him Reagan’s speeches to study, and we’ll let him rebut ‘lil Barry’s first speech. That’ll have ‘em messing their shorts, when they see we can fight black with black! Or dark, ethnic, whatever, like I know what the heck they want to be called. Think I hang in the hood? But meanwhile, we do need to start talking the lingo – Steele, we’ll get him studying old episodes of “The Fresh Prince of Belair.” See if we can get the Young Republicans to infiltrate black student mixers. How? Bring chicken and watermelon? Good idea! We’ll show the country we’re ready for the 20th century. Yeah, smart a__, so it’s the 21st.
Will it work? Hey, you were at the Palin rallies. If dumb whites bought Pat Boone recordings of black blues, why not? It’s our only shot. Just a quick dark shoeshine on our policies and we’ll tap dance our minstrel show back into the majority and the White House in no time flat!”

Truly as my kid would say, LMAO.

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Well, STOP THE PRESSES!! Taxpayer discovered an unknown law. Republicans don’t pay taxes.

Please, Taxpayer, notify the IRS immediately. For some strange reason, I have been paying taxes every year and I am the usual honest Republican.

I know you love to expand your great knowledge of empty spaces to one and all. Please let the government know about their mistake. Thank you.

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Pat -

Boy all of those racist stereotypes are just rolling off your tongue. You seem pretty familiar with the vernacular.

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To everyone on the blog… We all have a very valuable lesson to learn from politics, jobs, and the economy. It’s that life is not about money. I’m only 28 years old and have earned large sums of money in my life by working. I’ve been dirt poor and grew up in the housing projects of Atlanta, but now have a Master’s degree and investments which ultimately mean nothing to me. These things cannot love or care for me. In fact, it’s all easier to lose than gain (I’ve lost as well). Until we learn and teach ourselves and our kids these things, the back-and-forth arguing will continue. I’m sure on your death bed, the last thing you would think of is your political party or the economy. Be Happy!

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It was terrible.

But Jay thinking that he’s blown his chance/moment just shows that Bookman is pathetically inept when it comes to understanding national politics.

I certainly won’t take up for Jindal’s horrendous showing, but anyone who follows politics closely would recognize that Jindal is capable of much, much better (basically anyone who takes the 30 seconds to explore youtube). He’ll without a doubt have many, many more opportunities.

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The attacks on Jindal just confirm what most Conservatives already know. He hit his mark. Of course with Obama and his band of merry tax cheats at the helm, it’s not that hard. The next Congressional elections should be a interesting to say the least. By then, Obama should have the country thoroughly screwed up and the peasants should be marching on Capital Hill with torches and pitch forks. By the way, I love all the lovely racist comments by these fair minded and racially sensitive Democrats.

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Pat, that is the funniest shiite I have read in……well…. maybe forever.

Great stuff!

And it is bound to make the slobbering right-wingers go into convulsions. Oh! I see it already happened at 12:50.

Tis a good game we play here. We write about the issues of the day, using much sarcasm and irony. But also including much reason, logic, data, evidence and facts to support our irreverent conclusions.

And the emasculated faithful here piously blubber about their vast worthiness regarding race relations and other such nonsense…

OK, off yet again to pay for the bailouts and the occupation.

Pray for rain…

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Gelding, you still remain clueless.

The SS Trust Fund is virtually empty! That $2 trillion you cited is a bunch of IOU’s from all the free-spending, free-wheeling Dems and Repubs who spent it over the years to try to balance budgets (poorly).

Get a clue, Gelding!

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I don’t have to notify the IRS, Dusty. Keep up with the times. The IRS is already after 52,000 US tax cheats that worked through UBS. UBS has gotten themselves in some serious trouble here in the states and they’ve already agreed to fork over hundreds of millions in compensation to the IRS for just 300 of those tax cheats that proclaim themselves to be “Americans”. Tax cheats are scum. Don’t you agree, Dusty. BY the way, that former Republican Senator, Phil Gramm, went to work for UBS. Did you know that his wife was on the Board of Directors at Enron and that Phil Gramm pushed that legislation through in December of 2000 regarding derivatives and part of that legislation became known as the Enron loophole and it just gets better. Do you know what credit default swaps are. I didn’t think so.

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AmVet -

While you are at it, maybe you can explain to DB why he is a “right-winger” as he also called out the racist garbage that you refer to as “great stuff”.

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Jindal is a young, dark face in a sea of older white men. That’s the only reason the Rushpublicans give a hoot about him. They think they can gain some “control” over the large segment of Americans who do not identify with old white men, just the way they used Palin to woo women.

Skill, intelligence, credentials and all the other things that define a leader have to be embodied in whoever is chosen to lead – black, yellow, brown, white, man, woman, gay or straight. And, because of who the Rushpublicans are and what they stand for, that pool of talented people with diverse backgrounds is very small indeed. Therefore, Rush- publicans are forced to look for a shill with a different face, not an exceptional person.

Just look at McCain’s choice of VP, Jindal, and their choice of Michael Steele.

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AmVet:

Don’t you mean you’re off, yet again, to change your identity? I’ll say the same thing to you that I said to Midori last night (it got “pulled”) so I’ll change the wording a bit…..

Quit playing with yourself, Pat.

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Mike,

Well, yes, I’m pretty familiar with the “racist venacular” that just “rolls off my tongue.” You probably, however, DON’T want to know why … too bad, you brought it up. It’s from living my entire life surrounded by die-hard racist family members in North Florida and Alabama.

Grandpa? He was a keeper. Head of the local Klan chapter in the Alabama town where he was born. Regaled the family with tales of how he once chased a group of black farmers out of a bank where they’d come to ask for a loan – he and his buds ran them to the outskirts of town with a bullwhip. He was a hero to his semi-literate friends. Oh, in his spare time, he molested me and my female cousins whenever he got the chance.

Hmm, where’d I pick up such terms? Yep, I’ve heard them, once, twice, or a few hundred times … for example, from my Republican uncle, who spent last Thanksgiving out by his fish pond, earnestly explaining to me how mad he was that Bush “ruined” the country, but he just “Can’t vote for that nigger?”

Maybe my dad, who 10 years after my sister moved in with her Japanese boyfriend, still yelled “Tora Tora Tora! whenever she walked in for a visit?

I’m saying, like it or not, plenty of Republicans – especially in the rural South – still think this way. And that a few quick, phony baloney “diversity” efforts from a party that has blatantly used racism as an electoral strategy for decades is disgusting, stupid, and will not work. I didn’t say every Republican is racist – but enough are that the strategy is suspect, as well as fundamentally flawed. It’s insincere – and it smells to heaven.

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Taxpayer, just read.

I asked very simple questions. Ones you know the answer to, only problem is you don’t want to say them because you loose credibility.

Read my post to you. The questions are in small words and everything for you. However I feel you will do as you always do and leave it unanswered, or try to change the subject. Do whatever you wish to not answer these very simplistic questions. But I assure you that you will not actually answer the question. Unless that is you wish to amend your previous statements and linking things that happen in a particular district to a particular party.

Go ahead and run, dodge, lie or change topic. But you know and I know you cannot answer this question without having to be impartial. Something you have not the character nor class, from what I have sen on here, to do.

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G-Believe it or not,most conservatives don’t give a Hoot about BobbyJ or Palin,Really! What we do believe in is the right message. You don’t have to be great communicator (though it does help,ie-Clinton/Obama). I believe in SUBSTANCE over style any day!!

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Pat –

Thanks for the insight. Apparently the apple didn’t fall far from the tree as ignorant stereotyping seems to be a big part of your psychological makeup.

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I just read now that Obama has won American Idol,He just signed up for next years Dancin with Stars. Oh thats when he’s not saving us from ourselves. What a Guy!!!

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Pat,

HILARIOUS!!!

Keep em coming!!

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DB, Gwinnett, you remain ignorant as usual.

Didn’t get pounded at all yesterday (unless you live in an alternate reality), and I answered your question about Galveston. Why do you insist on showing the world you are an ignorant hick?

To review: There is no more recent review of the Galveston private retirement fund performance, because it’s performance hasn’t changed since 2005. Still paying out more than SS, still investing in safe bonds, still giving back to the survivors hundreds of thousands of dollars instead of $265 for SS.

And your lib buddy Gelding cites an IRS opinion that says the Galveston plan wouldn’t work nationally! The IRS! What losers you guys are!

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Liberals are unbelievably stupid. You criticize Jindal for his awkwardness but yet you capitulate on and on about the vapid response from Obama about the state of our country. It’s obvious that when it comes to the issues you prefer style over substance. Weak minded thinkers like you ought to take a moment and really listen to Jindal’s speech. Here is a man who believes in the individual, while your guy believes in the government. It is truly sad to see the display of public begging for government help. If we are to be led in the future by this nation of whiners we are doomed.

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I resent the comment from G. Blanston stating that Louisiana is a despetrately poor, uneducated, under-employed and backward state. Unless this refers to yourself, I think you should appologize to those fellow Americans that treasures their culture there. I am proud to say I am from Louisiana, am very educated and very much employed and am not backwards.

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DB, continue to wallow in ignorance.

The IRS certainly has a handle on their own figures. Monkeys with calculators can do that. That, at least, is something the IRS is capable of doing.

What they are NOT capable of doing is an OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS of a private retirement plan that would put them out of business. Even you could figure THAT one out.

Got anything else, sport?

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Well….at least the Republican response did not have teleprompters telling them when to clap and stand like the Obamaladen speech had…….

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The same people who think Jinal and Palin are a good idea for the next big election are the same people who think people only voted for Obama because he is black or only voted for Hillary Clinton because she is a woman. They just don’t get it and until they do get it they will continue to lose.

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Luangtom-Did’nt you see Obama & Pelosi pushing buttons to reward the animals with nuts everytime they wanted them to stand and applaud. Very convincing except for the mess the Dems left!!!

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tcoach,

if your questions are so simplistic, then by all means answer them.

By the way, if you kids expect me to keep playing with you, you’ll need to move up to the next thread.

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His speech sounded like it was written by fifth graders, and his delivery was nothing short of wooden. He may be “scary smart” as I read yesterday, but you sure couldn’t tell it. Perhaps there is a charisma class he can attend…anyone know of one?

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Holly Smith-Style over Substance?? Always thought it was the other way arround,silly me. But I guess Clinton now Obama have proved that.

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Pat, I love your comments! You are so cool!!!

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The problem with Jindal, as with other Rushpublicans, is that they simply don’t get it.

They talk down to the American people like we are children, incapable of understanding the world around us, of making decisions when given the facts.

Government is not the problem. Government can do good things, but you have to have people running the government who believe that, as most Democrats do.

When you put people in charge who believe in the mission, who believe in a government of, by and for the people, who have experience and talent in their field and are not just someone appointed as a political favor, then things can work.

The problems we face now are a direct result of 8 years of Rushpublican incompetence.

Thank God the adults are back in charge.

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LMFAO-I’m guessing from your comments you don’t live in the south.Otherwise I guess you would have to include yourself in that highly intelligent rant!!!

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LMFAO-And I’m guessin takin HUSSEIN was??? Just sayin

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steve-o, you may not think Palin can think her way out of a paper bag, but she IS a SUCCESSFUL governor of a state – something ol’ Hope & Change never was, and he has shown no ability thus far to be a competent executive. I like the fact that she is a FISCAL conservative. I don’t give a damn about her social values.

And I never said that she or Jindal were the best the GOP could offer – I just said I appreciate their substance over Hope & Change’s style.

And just so you don’t confuse me with some others on this site, I never voted for Bush, Clinton, Obama or McCain. I don’t vote for people who will take away my rights in order to help those who can’t or won’t help themselves.

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LMFOA-What flavor is that Kool-Aid the libs are servin today? Cause it sure sounds like you drank the whole pitcher!!!

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Steve-O,after last night I must agree with you in regards to substance. But How much further in debt is all that substance going to put us????

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MINDLESS SHEEP-EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reading the comments by Republicans on this blog, it strikes me how angry, racist, resentful, and dark hearted you people really are. Every stereotype about Republicans verified right here in their own mean words.I feel sorry for you, it takes alot of energy to carry around all that spitefulness, but by golly, that’s what y’all do. One spiteful comment after another, repeat the same stuff over and over no matter how false it may be.

Republicans were given the keys to the federal government and many state governments and with rare exception, failed.Failed miserably too. Look at our fair state since they took over, pure failure and getting worse. At the national level, Bush doubled the national debt and enacted deregulation that helped bring about the financial crisis.

Instead of being disrespectful of the President, you should be saying your apologies for how you messed things up. But instead you resort to calling names like “socialist”, or you talk in racial code. That may make you feel good about yourselves, to repeat that stuff over and over, but the country has had enough of it. You have p**sed offed so many Americans and you continue to do so with your negative message.

The Republican Party isn’t dead, but it is on it’s way to being a permanent minority party. It will dominate in about 10-12 mostly small states or where there are few minorities. But that’s about it.

It’s hard to cast a vote for a Republican and maintain your dignity. So many angry, bitter, hypocritical, cruel, resentful, disrespectful, fake patriotic, people. You Republicans that like to comment on the AJC do nothing but demonstrate that your are devoid of any fresh ideas or in possession of basic civility and respect for all Americans. It’s not enough to just disagree with people, you have to then try to dehumanize them by exaggerating differences to an extreme degree.

Governor Piyush Jindal(his real name), an admitted “anchor baby” as Republicans like to say, tried to be perky, but came across as an eager-beaver. Like almost evey Republican, he lied, lied, lied. When a Republican says they “trust the people ….” what they really mean is they trust the corporations and rich people because that is who benefits from their tax cut, vodoo economics.This stunt about not taking stimulus money is all the proff you’ll ever need to understand that Republicans don’t care about working people and if you get laid off after then you suddenly become a lazy bum who wants a handout!

The day of reckoning is coming for Republicans in Georgia.2010 and 2012 will not be kind to your party unless you change your ways.

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I watched only the beginning of Jindal’s speech. He was condescending and insincere like a used car salesman in those do it yourself tv ads. Even his intro about how his mom and dad couldn’t afford to pay for his birth but the nice doc let them pay by installments just left me gasping at his naivety. Surely it would be better that his mom and dad didn’t need to worry about paying for the birth care because it SHOULD BE A RIGHT for all citizens just as we all pay taxes to send ALL of our kids to school. Poor Bobby–he was just too painful to watch!

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Pat, virtually everyone here in the Moron Belt has similar stories, I’m sure.

Man, together we have really poked the humiliated neo-con hornet’s nest today, eh?

What a hoot!

Mike and now his cuz, caz, will hang on my every post and every word. And yours likely as well.

Guaranteed. They simply cannot help themselves. Our words have that much power over them. While their off-topic nonsense is, of course, immaterial and goes unread…

Back out again, for more burger flipping, cuz…

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To Observer
One thing I cannot stand about white folks especailly the Gold ol’ boys (not all of them). No matter what a blackman does whether he is clean as a whistle, educated as Einstien you still have a problem. our idiot-in-chief. who is the idiot in chief are you talking about george Bush.
Obama has done everything. He is educated had no sliver spoon in his mouth no daddy to wipe his behind like alot of white boys I know and still yet you cannot show some respect. but let that be cynthia mckinney or Al sharpton to make a comment oh you want to lynch them for being unpatriotic.
Climb back into that ingnorant unintelligent hole you appeared from and stay there forever.

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Obama has no substance:

He never managed a private business.
He never held an executive position at a private business.
He never held an executive position (or any management position) at any governmental entity. Yet he now manages the largest enterprise in the world.
He has no business training.
He was Harvard Law school editor but apparently never published any scholarly articles.
He precedes his lofty words with actions that belie these words: Examples: He spends a couple of trillion dollars just prior to talking about the importance of fiscal responsibility. He spoke about his disdain for legislation with earmarks just prior to signing a bill with more than 9,000 earmarks. He said all substance legislation would be available for inspection on the Internet for 5 days prior to a vote but hasn’t delivered on this promise.
His heroes are people who hate capitalism and his work history was devoted to organizing people to extort “benefits” from government, businesses, and productive citizens.
Obama appointed people for cabinet positions who were like him: corrupt. They were supposedly the smartest people in the world but didn’t pay their taxes and broke the law quite a number of times. People with integrity don’t do that.
Since he had no record of accomplishment, we turned to judging him by the company he keeps. Some are criminals–in jail–while others should be. Others, such as his long-time pastor, profess to spread the Gospel while their deeds show otherwise.
This man is morally bankrupt–evidenced by his low regard for human life.

The Dow is down 1,000 points since his taking office. The markets know that he is bad for the economy and thus bad for the country. Government is too big and Obama is making it bigger every day. Already he announced 350,000 new government jobs.

Is this specific enough for you or should I just refer to him as “Hitler” or a “Nazi” like leftists are wont to do?

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Well, Mikey. Republican or not, I think that would be an excellent use of your Second Amendment rights.

Go for it!

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What up Gee?

Questions:

What is a “sliver spoon”?
What is “alot”?
What is “ingnorant” (never mind, you’ve answered that one)?
What is “blackman”? Is that similar to “Batman”?
Who is “Einstien”?

Go back to where you stay and polish those twenty-fos.

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When Bush took office the national debt was 5 trillion. He ballooned it almost another 4 trillion. The national debt grew by over 54% under Bush. No this did not start with Bush and yes we all bear responsibility, but my point is I did not hear the Neo-cons crowing about the debt during the Bush years. He made the problem FAR worse and now we have to do something. Your party’s suggestion that we do nothing just doesn’t help me.

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let me propose that Jay seel a real job, get out in the real world and learn what it takes to earn a living. sitting next to Cynthia Tucker, and Mike have drained him any common sense.

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Steve-o- I dont think my party is saying lets not do anything. I believe what they are saying you can’t tax/spend your way out of it totally. Whats wrong with getting all involved with a solution. And I know for a fact all the pundits I listen/read were not happy with the Bush spending either as was I.

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After watching stocks respond to Obama’s speech last night with another “Obama speaks, we listen, the market sells” dive-bomb, I needed a laugh. As always Jay, you and the rest of the idiots on here came through for me in a big way.

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Typed to fast in my fury… Bush spent money to keep us free? Nobody threatened our freedom except Bush. He ignored The Constitution, spied on US citizens illegally, detained people illegally–need I say more? His money was spent making his oil friends rich!

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I love how how Republicans keep talking about their “values”. Supposedly this is small government, fiscal responsibility, etc… We saw how you cheered on that idiot Bush for 8 years while he violated every one of your so called “values” Why should anyone believe you now? Face it, the GOP is morally and intellectually bankrupt, you might as well disband!

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The problem with Jindal, as with other Rushpublicans, is that they simply don’t get it.

They talk down to the American people like we are children, incapable of understanding the world around us, of making decisions when given the facts.

Government is not the problem. Government can do good things, but you have to have people running the government who believe that, as most Democrats do.

When you put people in charge who believe in the mission, who believe in a government of, by and for the people, who have experience and talent in their field and are not just someone appointed as a political favor, then things can work.

The problems we face now are a direct result of 8 years of Rushpublican incompetence.

Thank God the adults are back in charge.

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Ray wrote: This economy was in pretty good shape until two years ago when the Dems took control.

d dog responded: Ray is the kind of guy that would have given W another 4 years…scarey!

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As a nation, we better quit worrying about how something is said and be concerned about what is said!

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caz1158, I said Republicans because you ran the go9vernment from 2001-2007. During that time , we saw the debt double, housing crash, etc…

Y’all love to cast blame and tell others to accept responsibility for their behavior and choices in life, well time to practice what you preach. Accept that you had control of Congress and had a Republican President, and the country was in much worse shape than when he took office. Now that’s the bottom line indisputable fact. Wasn’t it Regan who asked the “are you better off?” question?

Yes, some things Clinton did , did not help working people, but the fact of the matter is, things went well for working people during his time and he left the country in better shape than he found it. There were plenty of jobs and a surplus.

In fact, despite all the rhetoric, the economy and the stock market does better under the Democrats. It’s real easy to look up.

But caz1158, the Republican’s biggest problem is how spiteful you are. You play into the worst in people, selfishness, greed, racial resentment and using racial code. In fact, for all the hollering about “socialism”, Republicans are just a tick away from being fascists, in fact, you could make a good argument that they are already.

I wonder if any Republican can make an intellectually honest argument?One free of talking points, a booget people(black people,latinos, asians, native americans, gay people, welfare queens, illegal aliens, college educated people, latte drinker,volvo drivers people who live on the upper East Coast, the entire West Coast, etc… The list goes on and on.

The Republican Party is an angry, bitter bunch who use sophomoric taunts and believe that any one who does look, think, or worship like them isn’t really American and is not deserving of basic respect and civility.

Republicans are just awful people. Read the comments and tell me these are people you want to be around, much less have your children exposed to? I’m not for political correctness, but you guys are cruel, horrible, bitter, hypocritical people. That’s based on your comments here and your performance while in charge of government.

You say you hate the government, but in the U.S. ..we…the people are the government! We put those people into office and so we can’t talk about “the government” as if we are somehow divorced from it. Republicans say they don’t really believe in government except for a few things. Well, ok. Thing is, there are times when we must act in our collective interest rather than focus solely on our individual interests, Republicans don’t know how to do this, it isn’t in their nature. We are in such a time, and your policies put us there. You don’t get to blame someone else, and you don’t get to keep doing the same things that got us into the mess.

Until you folk change your ways, you will continue on your way to being a minor political party. I will pray for y’all because you need to get right.

It’s the first Rule Of Holes..when in one, stop digging. To keep Republican in charge is to keep digging. So out you go.

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To all the toothless GOP morons that called the drop in the DOW after the speech last night check where it closes today. Keep listening to your hero Rush and stay away from anything with numbers.

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So it begins. Liberal media has started it’s quest to destroy the reputation of any potential Republican candidate for 2008.

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The effectiveness of the Rushpublican branding campaign on “government” is in fact a central reason we are in the economic mess we are in today. The notion that government is an evil–among some voters a necessary one, but among most voters an evil nonetheless–is what led Democrats to remain silent for much of the last eight years as George W. Bush turned record surpluses into record deficits in the name of scaling back government intrusion; weakened or eliminated regulations that had been in place for decades to protect American consumers, homeowners, retirees, and people saving for their retirement or their kids’ college education; and failed to regulate new threats that were as preventable as they were foreseeable, such as unregulated commerce in “commodities” most people don’t understand (e.g., derivatives) or putting too much money into risky investments without enough capital to back it up if good-times loans were to go bad. And the effective branding of government as the problem is part of what has led, over three decades, to Democrats remaining relatively silent as our infrastructure crumbled because of their (well founded) fear that their conservative opponents in the next election would attack them for their “tax-and-spend” profligacy. The result has been that we cut taxes to the wealthy and failed to invest in our future in times of relative prosperity, while creating the conditions that will require nothing short of massive government deficit spending, extraordinary governance, and a lot of luck to get us out of an economy that is still in free-fall.

Fortunately, we have a leader at the helm who understands the fierce urgency of now. None of us has ever seen anything like a government-in-transition emerge with the rapidity and effectiveness of the new Obama administration, or a first week in office in which a new President reversed course so dramatically on so many issues–particularly in foreign policy–with stroke after stroke of his pen. Obama promised change, and he has already begun to demonstrate, in one domain after another, the last part of his campaign slogan: that this is change we can believe in, because it is happening already.

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Herein is the major schism within the Republican Party today:

The inside-the-beltway types and New England elites (elitests) see individuals like Governor Jindal as not having the “presence” or “gravitas” to lead our party, not to mention our country.

Worse yet, some of them doubt the tenets of basic conservatism itself, shaken, so it seems, by the so-called “mandate” the Left currently appears to enjoy.

The rest of us – the REAL conservatives in America – believe 100% in our (classic, timeless) principles, regardless of which ideology is fashionable at the moment.

Yes, perhaps Governor Jindal didn’t package our values in the neatest, most effective way. Certainly, his rhetoric was lacking and his presentation was lackluster.

But to call the tropes of his speech – and the core beliefs they represent – “stale” or a “bad message” is completely inane.

Bobby Jindal is arguably the most successful Republican politician in America today, and he did not become so by moderating or even attenuating the traditional, Reaganesque, conservative message – he did it by trumpeting that message loudly to a populace who, regardless of what the elites of either party may think, is basically much more socially and fiscally conservative than they are liberal.

Would I have liked more passion? Of course. Am I weary of Republican standard-bearers who possess weak, unconvincing oratorical skills? Without a doubt. But without a message – without a steadfast, concreate ideologoy – a political party cannot endure.

Governor Jindal got the message exactly right. And without that message, unadulterated and pure, the Republican Party will fracture and die.

Candidates and their rhetorical abilities will come and go, and oratorical abilities can be developed. But what the Republican Party cannot easily fix are permanent, unfilled cracks in its core conservative foundation.

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The problem G. is that with every stroke of his pen he is leading this country down the path to socialism. Please see past the fuzzy rhetoric and realize what his intent is. Yes he is going to “change” things but not for the good. If I wanted to live in a socialist country I would move to Cuba.

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I wish you right wingers were just as critical of “W” speeches. I just watched 8 years of lies. Starting with 911. Jindal has not even fixed his own backyard from Katrina. Thanks for new casinos Jindal. Now that is caring about the people.

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Jindal ain’t gonna win back Ohio & Virginia for the Repubs. Hey, the Repubs can either adapt to the national mood or they can remain a minority party of idealogues. Jindal wants the latter. Good for him, better for Democrats.

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Dude blew it he sux.

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We are facing a crisis like none we have seen since the Great Depression, and there’s a reason for the similarity: The same ideology that led us into the Great Depression in the 1930s has led us into the most severe economic crisis we have had since that time. Both times we were brought to the brink of disaster by a radical ideology that says that if you just leave the free market alone, unchecked by any rules designed to protect our shared welfare and our shared values–like the idea that people willing to work hard should be able to get a good job, own a home, and feed their kids and take them to the doctor when they’re sick–everything will work out. Well, we’ve now tried out that ideology twice, and it has been a disaster both times.

Franklin Roosevelt led us out of the Great Depression by taking a pragmatic, not an ideological path, setting up safety nets for people who didn’t deserve to lose their homes or their dignity in retirement through no fault of their own, testing one program after another until he got it right. In the process, we learned something important: that the market may be the engine of our prosperity, but someone has to be at the steering wheel when that engine is on or we’ll run aground, and that someone needs to be us: the people, through our elected representatives. That new vision of government guided us for 50 years, and it served us well, making us the strongest, most prosperous nation in the history of the world.

But over time, not everyone who led our government shared Roosevelt’s vision of trying something out, keeping it if it worked, and discarding it if it didn’t. Over time, bureaucracies calcified, and people felt entitled to programs whether they worked efficiently or not. Politicians found it difficult to make the hard decisions to keep what worked and cut what didn’t, and others used that as an opportunity to play on our worst impulses, blaming all our problems on the poor or infirm. Then Ronald Reagan entered office with a simple creed: that government is the problem, not the solution. That creed resonated with a lot of people because it captured their sense that their tax dollars weren’t being used effectively, that while they were struggling to make ends meet, a bloated bureaucracy was thriving on their hardship.

There was something to Reagan’s critique, but his solution was too simple. Government is neither the problem nor the solution. Government is nothing other than us–the citizens of this country–coming together to solve our shared problems, and if it’s ineffective, we need leaders with the courage and the vision to speak the truth and fix it. Unfortunately, over the next 30 years, the pendulum swung so far from Roosevelt’s vision of government for the people–federal protection of our bank accounts, a minimum wage to guarantee that people who work hard can feed their families, Social Security so Americans can be assured of dignity in their twilight years, worker safety laws so they make it to those years, unemployment insurance to protect us against the inevitable ups and downs of the market, and regulations on Wall Street speculation that could prevent another crash–that we found ourselves right back where we were 80 years ago, with an unregulated market running amok, an ethic of unfettered greed, and a lot of good people losing their jobs, their livelihoods, their retirement, their health care, and their dreams through no fault of their own.

That is where we find ourselves today. It’s time for politicians to stop running for or against government and to start running it well. It’s time to set aside rigid ideologies and deal with the realities that confront us. We have an economy that is spiraling downward, and we have so tied our hands with unpatriotic, anti-government rhetoric that we haven’t invested in our own country in decades. It’s no accident that our bridges are crumbling, our levees aren’t holding, and our children aren’t getting the world-class education that will allow them to compete in the global economy. It’s no accident that we can’t trust the water our children drink, the food we eat, or the banks that finance our mortgages. It’s no accident that our main import is oil and our main export is good American jobs. In all these cases the reason is the same: we have come to believe that the ship of state can run itself, that big businesses can police themselves without a real cop looking over their shoulder, and that we, the people, are so incapable of coming together to create institutions to serve our common good that we should just say no to the idea that we can govern ourselves effectively.

Americans are better than that. The nation that invented modern democracy can surely figure out how to solve our collective problems if we put our heads together and call that government.

Government is neither the problem nor the solution. It is us, and if it isn’t, we should–and we can–remake it. We need leaders who understand that the market is the chief engine of prosperity in a free society, but that sitting idly by as people lose their jobs, their homes, or their doctors isn’t leadership.

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G, well said, every time. That was a fair and honest account of how things have come to this point in time.

Not only are you comments accurate, they are well written. I hope you were able to reach someone today, at least get them to think about things differently. As you said, “we” are going to have to be the change that is needed.

I have faith in this country. I believe President Obama is the right person at the right time and this great nation will once again do big things for it’s working people and the world.

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Matters, can you be any more clueless?

First, you can’t back away from your claim that Republicans are fascists. You said Republicans were, and I quote: “a tick away from being fascists, in fact, you could make a good argument that they are already.” No mention of Democrats all all. Now who’s the one lying?

Second, you failed to read my posts earlier. I didn’t vote in the Republicans, either. I’m an independent-minded, common-sense thinking individual who does not vote along party lines, but rather votes according to the precepts of the U.S. Constitution as it was WRITTEN, not interpreted by the left-wing Socialists out there. Didn’t vote for Bush, McCain, Obama or Clinton. The only Republican I have voted for is my U.S. representative in the past 10 years. You aren’t ready to have an honest discussion with someone that doesn’t fit your cookie-cutter approach to government.

And I suppose calling Republicans “fascists” is your way of not alienating people and being all inclusive, right?

And as long as BOTH parties cook the books with Social Security funds, it’s OK? We can just write off that bad old deficit under Clinton, because he had LESS debt to cover with SS funds than other Presidents? What kind of planet do you come from?

And I’m sorry, but Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are against everything I hold dear; the Constitution, freedom, individual rights and personal responsibility. They are boogeymen, and they have no place in government as long as they take the oath of office they swore, and turn around and violate it with every act they vote for.

And the housing and banking meltdown was caused by over 30 years of mismanagement of both sectors due to Democrat policies begun under Jimmy Carter, expanded under Bill Clinton and pushed under the carpet by Barney Frank, Maxine Waters and Chris Dodd. Listen to all of them praise Franklin Raines and Fannie and Freddie, while Republicans like Chris Shays warned them of impending disaster. And this was just 4 years ago, Matters.

You libs are as out of touch with personal responsibility as anyone I have ever met. G is all for enveloping everyone in big government’s bosom, reading them sweet bedtime stories at night to drive away their fears, while that same government removes all incentives for people to want to create jobs, make money and pay the taxes that allow you and your friends to live off of us and our grandchildren with massive deficits.

You have no solution for Social Security, which will be in deficit spending in less than 6 years. Hope & Change says he’s going to cut the deficit to $500 BILLION or so in the next 4 years. Big deal! That just cuts the rate of spending INCREASES. When are these jackalopes in Congress and the White House going to realize that when you have less money coming in, YOU SPEND LESS!

You want solutions, Matters? How about these?

1. Pass the FairTax. Within 2 years, you’ll be beating away corporations who want to move here and create jobs with a stick. Employment will skyrocket.
2. Repeal the Community Reinvestment Act. It is the prime reason why irresponsible people have home loans they cannot afford today.
3. Push Iraq to complete the last three benchmarks for success, and bring our troops home.
4. Ban all earmarks and pork for all bills for the next 4 years minimum.
5. Drill for new sources of domestic oil.
6. Make every bill that goes through Congress be a single issue bill. No adding agricultural issues into a defense spending bill. Too much crap gets hidden and dumped by this practice.
7. Pass a pay plan for Congress that increases their pay as they decrease the deficit. If they increase the deficit, they lose money.
8. Institute term limits for Congress. It isn’t even remotely Constitutional, but the way both parties have gamed the election system, it needs to be done.
9. Remove all foreign aid until our deficit is reduced by 75%. Americans will have to take care of America first.
10. Get out of the United Nations. They do nothing for us, and the bill to keep them here is too high. Plus, we should be able to get some pretty good rents for that riverfront property.
11. End the Department of Education. No Child Left behind is an abysmal failure, and isn’t even adequately funded, which causes each state to pony up more money it doesn’t have.

Let the howling begin.

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G, you clearly haven’t read a single word regarding the FairTax, have you?

There are NO LOOPHOLES in the FairTax. That is what makes it so FAIR! No exemptions EXCEPT for college tuition. Even the government has to pay it when they purchase items.

When a church buys something today, they pay the tax imbedded in the cost of the product (and by the way, there’s NOTHING in the Constitution that keeps churches from being taxed). When a minister buys a gallon of milk, they pay sales taxes, do they not (yes, they do). The FairTax is a sales tax, G.

It is NOT a flat tax. It is a consumption tax. It is the ONLY fair taxation plan out there. You should read it sometime, and not get your information from Bookman.

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G, G, G. You fail to grasp the simple basics of the FairTax (as well as capitalism).

BUSINESSES DON’T PAY TAXES! Do you not understand that simple concept? Oh, sure, they are CHARGED taxes, but do you think all those nasty big businessmen take money out of their OWN pockets to pay Uncle Sam? Of course not! They build the tax into the price of everything you and I pay for, and pass the tax on to US! Consumers are the ONLY part of society that ultimately pay taxes. If you can’t get past Economics 101, you’ll never understand how the FairTax is better.

Now, we’ve already talked about your first point of contention, so there should be no need to rehash that.

Your second point has a certain amount of merit regarding dependence on government, however, I am willing to agree to the prebate in order to remove objections from the lower income class that they’ll be paying more with the FairTax. They won’t with the prebate.

Your third point is laughable and is simple wealth envy. What is wrong with people being able to pass onto the next generation the fruits of their labors? Why should the government get what each of us earned when we die? Is that our ultimate goal in life? To make sure we take care of giving Uncle Sugar the net result of all our hard work when we die? If so, why should we work so hard? Where’s my incentive to work if its all going to be taken away from me when I die?

See my first point to answer your 4th objection.

Refer to my lowering of costs to answer your 5th objection.

Now that we’ve knocked down EVERY objection you’ve brought up, let’s put it to you this way:

What’s your alternative? Progressive taxes have been tried before and failed. Income taxes certainly haven’t worked. What’s wrong with trying something new? If it works – great! If it fails, we’re no worse off.

And you really have to get away from that “businesses pay taxes” thing. There’s not a business out there that will eat their profit just so that the end consumer doesn’t have to pay some of the businesses tax burden. You can’t hold them up as all that is bad in the world in one sentence, and assign them a good deed in the next.

Oh, and the whole businesses won’t drop prices thing? Have you driven past a gas station lately? Whats the FIRST thing that happens when competing gas stations on opposite corners get gas that is cheaper than what they paid for it last week? Gas prices go down. It’s called competition, and it works. You just have to open your eyes to see it everyday.

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Sorry, but I’ll get the last word on this, because it is needed.

You KEEP MISSING THE POINT! Your family of four example doesn’t pay income taxes, that’s true.

But they pay the 23% tax liability built into EVERYTHING THEY BUY TODAY! That car they buy? 26% of it is Federal taxes. That loaf of bread? 19% of it is in taxes.

The FairTax is a REPLACEMENT tax for everything already built into the system, with lower costs to operate than what we have today; no April 15th ever again.

What part of substitution do you NOT get?

And the homeless you speak of will be no worse off than they are now, because everything they happen to buy TODAY already has the 23% tax built into the cost to make the product. They just won’t be getting the prebate.

And again, you failed to answer my question. What do you propose to do differently? Progressive taxes have been tried and failed. Income taxes have been tried and failed. What’s wrong with trying something different? If it doesn’t work, we can always go back and try something else.

But what if it DOES work?

What alternative do you have for the mess we’re in?

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Carly Fiorina would be my bet for Republican Candidate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carly_Fiorina

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