Jindal had his moment, and he blew it

If you had asked me about the worst high-profile political speech I’d ever seen, I would have said it was John McCain’s effort last June, the one with the green backdrop, cringing smile, strangely awkward crowd and the whining “my friends, that’s not change we can believe in.”

Bobby Jindal’s effort last night approached McCain. I had never heard Jindal speak on a formal occasion, and he was bad. Bad message, worse delivery. Some of the harshest reaction came from conservatives who had hopes Jindal could be the party’s standard bearer. David Brooks put it bluntly:

“To come up at this moment in history with a stale ‘government is the problem,’ ‘we can’t trust the federal government’ – it’s just a disaster for the Republican Party….  It’s just not where the country is, it’s not where the future of the country is. There’s an intra-Republican debate. Some people say the Republican Party lost its way because they got too moderate. Some people say they got too weird or too conservative. He thinks they got too moderate, and so he’s making that case. I think it’s insane, and I just think it’s a disaster for the party. I just think it’s unfortunate right now.”

At the Corner at the National Review, they post an email from a longtime reader:

“Jindal’s delivery was weak in this sense: he did not look like someone who could lead this country. He did not instill in me any confidence that he would or could be the standard-bearer in four or eight years, which I was looking for. I wanted him to do well. But he didn’t. … He came across as the guy you’d want to have your daughter bring home, but not the guy you’d want leading your company during tough times.

Even the far-right folks at Free Republic panned it badly:

  • “After just two or three words, all I could see and hear for the remainder of Jindle’s speech was … Richard Pryor. Richard Pryor doing his white man’s voice.”
  • “Face it, it was a poor performance. He may be a nice enough guy but he had a shot and he blew it.”
  • “Nobody here is trying to tear Jindal down, but to deny that he dropped the ball last night is just burying our heads in the sand. Jindal needed to come out with fire in his bellow. Instead, all we got was some smoke and a few sizzles.”

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AJC/DNC Management

February 25th, 2009
7:43 am

Geez-

Some of the harshest reaction came from conservatives who had hopes Jindal could be the party’s standard bearer. David Brooks put it bluntly:

I quit reading your column right there.

David Brooks approved of John McCain.

Need I say more?

G

February 25th, 2009
7:48 am

There was a Rushpub named Jindal
Who spun just like a spindle
The words came out wrong
Like he’d puffed on a bong

To President Obama, he can’t hold a kindle.

G. Blanston

February 25th, 2009
7:48 am

With Jindal and Palin as the primary faces and voices of the GOP, the democrats are ensured a long term at the helm. Even for democrat loyalist, it has to be a concern that the GOP cannot do any better in putting forward a good opponent. Strong leaders from both parties is good for the country. The GOP continues to fail America and their party.

For Jindal to have the termerity to turn down any money, regardless of where it comes from, for Louisiana, a despetrately poor, uneducated, under-employed and backward state, shows no compassion or sense for his constituancy.

AJC/DNC Management

February 25th, 2009
7:51 am

I think I have an idea of what the libs didn’t like about Jindal-

Jindal tried to give us a return to common sense:

“Who among us would ask our children for a loan, so we could spend money we do not have, on things we do not need? That is precisely what the Democrats in Congress just did. It’s irresponsible. And it’s no way to strengthen our economy, create jobs, or build a prosperous future for our children.…”_AmSpec

Duh message.

Observer

February 25th, 2009
7:53 am

Jay says, “Bad message. Worse delivery.”

I agree that that Jindal’s delivery was bad. He looked like he was trying to talk to a classroom full of fifth graders. The only saving grace is that compared to the “bad message” our idiot-in-chief delivered, Jindal came off looking like a genius.

Taxpayer

February 25th, 2009
7:55 am

I think Jindal and Palin are most excellent choices for the right-wing fringe to rally around. Really, I do.

Road Scholar

February 25th, 2009
8:06 am

Wasn’t it interesting that Gov Jindal was selected to give the speech? Is the GOP closet empty at the Federal level since no Senator or Congressman was selected to give the “Federal” response? Maybe that’s poor wording since I believe Senator Craig’s trial has begun.

I watched the beginning of his speech, but could not watch more. He came out with the “Howdy Doody” smile and said virtually nothing! His tone and content was condescending to me.

I was a supporter of Gov Jindal, but he disappointed me last night.

Road Scholar

February 25th, 2009
8:08 am

Wooten must still be in bed. I wish AJC/DNC had stayed there!

AJC/DNC Management

February 25th, 2009
8:09 am

Jindal didn’t lie so the libs whine, they like to be fed bull……

Open wide, little sycophants-

Holdren’s particular brand of science is infected by what we can only call a doomsday bias. Over the past 40 years, he has warned of population-growth induced “ecocide,” “global cooling,” global warming due to heat dissipation from power plants, nuclear Armageddon, and — this week — “climate disruption” caused by increased concentrations of atmospheric greenhouse gases.

Holdren was pressed about his 1986 claim that global warming could cause 1 billion deaths by 2020. Holdren at first dissembled, suggesting that his earlier comment was a “description of possibilities,” rather than a “prediction.” The senator wouldn’t let it slide, so Holdren dug in. He said “it is still a possibility” that climate change would kill 1 billion people by 2020.-AmSpec

That’s Oblahmi’s new shaman, er, chief adviser of junk science..

duh

The Kommunist

February 25th, 2009
8:10 am

Jindal sucked it. Larry Craig blew it.

fearless fosdick

February 25th, 2009
8:13 am

In a word….PATHETIC!

Taxpayer

February 25th, 2009
8:15 am

I did not listen to Jindal but I’m certain that he delivered that minority party message of We are relevant, We are relevant,in the usual Do Nothing fashion that we have all come to expect. Let me guess, the cornerstone of the minority party is to continue to fight for more tax cuts because paying nothing in taxes now just isn’t good enough for them. They want more. They think that they’re entitled to more.

gttim

February 25th, 2009
8:16 am

To follow a great speaker like Obama, they needed a great speaker as well. Jindal was adequate… for a Jr. High debate club. Is this all the GOP has? Not to mention he was lying right out of the gate. Substance and delivery were lacking.

Plus, where were all the Republicans fiscal conservatives worrying about their children tax obligation while Bush was running up the largest deficits in history. Discretionary spending went through the roof and pork was flying around like bees, yet no Republican fiscal conservatives were going off on their children’s future tax obligation. Funny how they get so upset about it now.

Louisiana Swamp Dog Millionaire

February 25th, 2009
8:17 am

I’m a conservative Democrat (yes, there is such a thing), and I like Jindal in some instances. BUT his delivery last night was horrible and his words were ironic. It was the GWB admin that sat on their hands with katrina and his state got $$ from the government, so…? This time, Jindal–the Louisiana Swamp dog millionaire?–missed the mark. I have always hated that the opposing party makes a rebuttal response just after the president speaks. We need to stop that.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 25th, 2009
8:20 am

Didn’t stay up to watch, but just read a transcript.

Question for those who have seen it: did the Gov. make bunny-ears to indicate quotation marks when he uttered the words “magnetic levitation”?

Bubba

February 25th, 2009
8:21 am

Jindal’s delivery was weak, but to criticize his message because it’s not where the country is right now is pathetic. Guess what? He said it because it’s what he believes. How quaint.

Business Items :: Faux State of the Union

February 25th, 2009
8:22 am

[...] Gergen and Brooks exchange some choice words criticizing Jindal. The AJC has collected the best of the, along with a few others, here. [...]

Copyleft

February 25th, 2009
8:26 am

Jindal just kept repeating the same tired old catchphrases that nobody’s buying any more: “Government is Eeeeeevil,” “More Tax Cuts!”, ad nauseam.

That kind of shallow thinking doesn’t work, and America knows it. The Republicans need to come up with something new if they really want to appeal to voters again… deciding that “We screwed up by spending too much” is what a Reagan-airhead economist might do, but it’s not the reason the GOP is out of touch and losing support.

A return to supply-side is not what America wants or needs. But that’s what the GOP is currently married to. Until they break loose from that mindset, they’re going to remain a minority party.

Mort Merkel

February 25th, 2009
8:29 am

Unless people with common sense suddenly seize control of the GOP, or another party rises to supplant them, the American people had better get used to a one-party system. This is not good, but Republicans have been destroying themselves since 1994.

Mrs. Godzilla

February 25th, 2009
8:30 am

Taxpayer

I’m with you…..I hope the GOP continues to rally ’round Palin and Jindal.

But I don’t think it will last. Firstly, the front runners seldom win
and secondly, I believe there are still some Eisenhower Republicans out there and they will eventually regain control of the party.

Bubba

you post “but to criticize his message because it’s not where the country is right now is pathetic.” When in your estimation would it not be pathetic to criticize his message?

DB, Gwinnettian

February 25th, 2009
8:41 am

So I read the thing, it seemed the first half was pretty gracious, and the second half was more or less what one expects. He fibbed about it being a “trillion dollar spending bill” (it’s not a trillion, and it isn’t all spending, so…)

But at least he managed to use the word “Democratic” as an adjective, rather than the preferred imaginary-adjective “Democrat.” I know it’s hard for some Republicans to break that habit.

TnGelding

February 25th, 2009
8:46 am

I missed it because C-SPAN couldn’t pick up the feed for some reason. Make love, not war sums up the difference between the parties.

sane jane

February 25th, 2009
8:55 am

“Who among us would ask our children for a loan, so we could spend money we do not have, on things we do not need?”

I suppose the loan we asked for in order to wander around the desert & randomly topple a dictator was totally worthwhile, huh?

Why does AJC/DNC insist on quoting from AmSpec like it’s any kind of legit resource? That’s akin to a moonbat constantly posting Kos soundbytes as “proof” of their position.

But yeah, I thought Piyush was kinda creepy. Howdy Doody indeed.

sd

February 25th, 2009
8:56 am

His delivery of “I believe Americans can do anything” was horrible.

And what was he talking about when he kept referring to Louisianna pulling itself up without Federal Government. Last I saw, they got several billion dollars and New Orleans is still far from rebuilt, and crime is through the roof.

His delivery was like Gene Wilder in Willa Wonka. I believe Americans can do anything. Louisianna doesn’t need any help. Welcome to a world of pure imagination.

Normal

February 25th, 2009
8:59 am

I’m lost. I don’t get it. The Republican Party, it seems to me, has
eaten the brownie. They throw out Palin and Lindal as their finest,
They won’t reach out to help this cou ntry and all they can offer is
tax cuts as the only solution. If you are a Government, and you made
50.00 a week (read taxes) and you had 50.00 a week expenses (read S. S.,
Medicade), would lowering your income to 45.00 a week (read tax cuts)
really help? The Republican Party IS the “Do Nothing Party”. And if
they don’t get with the program, come 2110, a bunch of them will have
nothing to do.

Observer

February 25th, 2009
9:00 am

DB, Gwinnettian – In fact, it is indeed more than a trillion when you factor in debt service (interest) on the 787 billion. To state it any other way is misleading because the true cost of the bill to the American people is absolutely inclusive of the interest payments on that debt.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 25th, 2009
9:00 am

Wasn’t it interesting that Gov Jindal was selected to give the speech? Is the GOP closet empty at the Federal level since no Senator or Congressman was selected to give the “Federal” response?

I don’t think it’s such a big deal–the GOP had NJ Gov. Christie Todd Whitman respond to a Clinton SoTU address in… looked it up, 1995. Don’t recall that was controversial at the time.

CommunistAJC

February 25th, 2009
9:01 am

Bookman,
we have 4 years to go until the next election. Bobby Jindal has already said that he will not seek the presidency in 4 years. Just 4 years ago NO ONE gave the democrats any chance of retaking the White House. I guess at your old age you can’t seem to remember that. Anyway, speeches are fine and dandy but actions are what makes a president great. Obama Hussein and every other lib knows that Reaganism is not dead. He gave a Reagan like speech of optimism. By the way, keep on writing your hack columns. People will continue to cancel their subscriptions.

Joe Biden

February 25th, 2009
9:03 am

WASHINGTON (AP) – President Barack Obama knows Americans are unhappy that the government could rescue people who bought mansions beyond their means.

But his assurance Tuesday night that only the deserving will get help rang hollow.

Even officials in his administration, many supporters of the plan in Congress and the Federal Reserve chairman expect some of that money will go to people who used lousy judgment.

The president skipped over several complex economic circumstances in his speech to Congress – and may have started an international debate among trivia lovers and auto buffs over what country invented the car.

A look at some of his assertions:

OBAMA: “We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages. It’s a plan that won’t help speculators or that neighbor down the street who bought a house he could never hope to afford, but it will help millions of Americans who are struggling with declining home values.”

THE FACTS: If the administration has come up with a way to ensure money only goes to those who got in honest trouble, it hasn’t said so.

Defending the program Tuesday at a Senate hearing, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said it’s important to save those who made bad calls, for the greater good. He likened it to calling the fire department to put out a blaze caused by someone smoking in bed.

“I think the smart way to deal with a situation like that is to put out the fire, save him from his own consequences of his own action but then, going forward, enact penalties and set tougher rules about smoking in bed.”

Similarly, the head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. suggested this month it’s not likely aid will be denied to all homeowners who overstated their income or assets to get a mortgage they couldn’t afford.

“I think it’s just simply impractical to try to do a forensic analysis of each and every one of these delinquent loans,” Sheila Bair told National Public Radio.

OBAMA: “And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it.”

THE FACTS: Depends what your definition of automobiles, is. According to the Library of Congress, the inventor of the first true automobile was probably Germany’s Karl Benz, who created the first auto powered by an internal combustion gasoline engine, in 1885 or 1886. In the U.S., Charles Duryea tested what library researchers called the first successful gas-powered car in 1893. Nobody disputes that Henry Ford created the first assembly line that made cars affordable.

OBAMA: “We have known for decades that our survival depends on finding new sources of energy. Yet we import more oil today than ever before.”

THE FACTS: Oil imports peaked in 2005 at just over 5 billion barrels, and have been declining slightly since. The figure in 2007 was 4.9 billion barrels, or about 58 percent of total consumption. The nation is on pace this year to import 4.7 billion barrels, and government projections are for imports to hold steady or decrease a bit over the next two decades.

OBAMA: “We have already identified $2 trillion in savings over the next decade.”

THE FACTS: Although 10-year projections are common in government, they don’t mean much. And at times, they are a way for a president to pass on the most painful steps to his successor, by putting off big tax increases or spending cuts until someone else is in the White House.

Obama only has a real say on spending during the four years of his term. He may

DB, Gwinnettian

February 25th, 2009
9:03 am

“Why does AJC/DNC insist on quoting from AmSpec like it’s any kind of legit resource?”

probably because he had boasted to me a coupla weeks ago that he didn’t need pundits to tell him what to think. (this was after I’d made a relatively polite request to provide a link to anyone planning to mount a real-life primary challenge to so-called RINOs out there, bizarrely enough–I wasn’t even asking for a link to a pundit!)

In short, expecting the ajc/dnc troll thing to be intellectually honest is foolish. Oh, and water is wet.

Eric

February 25th, 2009
9:03 am

You got that right, Jay. Jindal must’ve thought he was speaking to a class of first graders. It was pitiful. On the other hand, how inspiring to see Nancy and Joe and The President and Hillary and Tim and all those other adults taking charge of our government. I couldn’t stop smiling. Finally, we have some leaders we can follow…and actually be proud of. It was a good night for those of us who care about our country and our fellow citizens. YES!!!

CwnBt

February 25th, 2009
9:04 am

The measure of a man is not how well he can schmooze the electorate with empty words. Jindal should have put forth some hard truths about what the dem congress and this stimulus bill is about. Take it from Mitch McConnell:

Senate Min. Leader Mitch McConnell: “The president gets an A plus for style and delivery. He did a great job delivering his message. But there legitimate differences. … The Congress has spent more money than we spent on the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, and the response to Katrina over the last seven years after 9/11. I mean, we have been on a spending spree, and it isn’t stopping”

The American people want the facts. We’re tired of being schmoozed.

CommunistAJC

February 25th, 2009
9:04 am

What I also find interesting is that, no matter who gave the GOP speech, every single lib including Jay would still say the speech was terrible. Keep trashing Jindal. It only helps his cause. Once Obama bankrupts the country, gets us attacked and socializes medicine the country will be begging for “change we can believe in.”

Jaye

February 25th, 2009
9:06 am

Bobby ate BO’s lunch, and you know it. BO has a nice voice and delivery but no new words – certainly no refreshing revelations – to speak. What he did have going for him: Miz Nancy constantly jumping to her feet, wearing that permanent goofy Botox grin. What comedy!

Davo

February 25th, 2009
9:06 am

Yep…his deliverly sucked. His message was OK but now that we are entering socialism the masses dont want to hear about toughing it out; they would rather hear about how they can steal from their hard working neighbors. I’m afraid Obama and the dems can run rampant as they obviously have nothing to fear from the republicans.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 25th, 2009
9:07 am

Just 4 years ago NO ONE gave the democrats any chance of retaking the White House.

Really? considering that four years ago, that’d be 2/25/2005 Bush had barely gotten himself re-elected, and had embarrassed himself with a Social Security Piratization Tour that crashed and burned, and was en route to attaching himself with Frist and company to the Terri Schaivo fiasco–I find that very extremely hard to believe.

I think by “NO ONE” you mean “guys I was listening to at the time, far as I remember.”

Bosch

February 25th, 2009
9:07 am

“I suppose the loan we asked for in order to wander around the desert & randomly topple a dictator was totally worthwhile, huh?”

sane jane,

Yeap, my sentiments exactly. I’m not a big fan of the stimulus, but it’s needed right now, and when I hear people complain about it, I just say the word “Iraq.”

And, I’m perfectly aware that two wrongs don’t make a right (we’ll spend because they did) but I feel alot of that money is necessary right now in this environment.

I noticed in the paper yesterday that state employees are on furloughs, and my local education systems are facing more cutbacks, and Sonny says he’s not gonna take stimulus money. Yeah. That’ll go over well with teachers who effectively ousted Roy Barnes when he proclaimed he didn’t need the teacher vote.

I didn’t see the speech last night, or Jindal’s performance, so I can’t comment on that. I was out paying for the occupation (and the bailout/stimulus package) as AmVet likes to say.

CommunistAJC

February 25th, 2009
9:07 am

DB, Gwinnettian,
you wrote:“Why does AJC/DNC insist on quoting from AmSpec like it’s any kind of legit resource?”

Gee DB, Gwinnettian, maybe because they are one of the few real news sources that isn’t in the tank for Hussein Obama. They don’t get a thrill up their legs like MSNBC does. Is that good enough for you Arianna?

Taxpayer

February 25th, 2009
9:08 am

Well, Mrs. G, if we absolutely must have a Republican party to help keep the Democratic (that one was for you, DB) party in check, I suppose we could do worse than Republicans cast in the mold of Eisenhower. After all, he did do a few good things like expand social security and start the interstate highway system. He didn’t tackle many of the tough issues of his time though and, after leaving office, that earned him the distinction of being a Do Nothing Republican. And, I bet some of these modern day Republicans thought they were the first of the Do Nothing Republicans. Nope. They’ve been there and done that before too.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 25th, 2009
9:08 am

every single lib including Jay would still say the speech was terrible

You don’t consider me a “lib”? Guess I should take that as a compliment…

ConservativeAnchor

February 25th, 2009
9:09 am

What could Jindal say? Obozo said absolutely nothing different than the drivel he’s been spounting for 37 days. It is the same nonsense that has caused investor confidence to plummnet, increase his disapproval rating to 24%.

My dear departed Grandmother told me many time; “You can’t have a conversation with a fool. Don’t try.”

Jindal must have heard the same advice.

Bosch

February 25th, 2009
9:09 am

Commie,

You mean like everytime you hear Obama speak (or how you so lovingly like to call him by his middle name) all you have is “Oh, you libs suck” kind of response?

Please spare us the lecture, k?

CommunistAJC

February 25th, 2009
9:09 am

DB, Gwinnettian,
Bush was spot on with SS. It’s gone. Nada, and if you are stupid enough, and I believe you are, to believe that it will all be there when you retire then you really do fit the model of a democrat voter. Naive, uneducated and still believe in Santa Claus.

Paul

February 25th, 2009
9:10 am

Gov Jindal’s speech seemed to fall into the “plenty of people bring me problems but not many bring me solutions” category. The President’s speech was broad, so was Jindal’s. But I think the opposition needs to be a bit more specific in offering alternatives. Heck, Jindal could have even done a bit more agreeing with the Pres – the bipartisan thing – then contrasted that with Congressional leadership’s divergence with the President. It would have been enough of a teaser to cause some comment and get people to thinking about the nature of Pres Obama vs Congressional leadership.

Heard the new head of the RNC said they may not give money to, or campaign for, the three ‘renegade’ Republican senators who supported the stimulus bill. Talk about encouraging alternate viewpoints to attract more voters. (Note to those who occupy the farfarleft of the Democratic Party: this could be you. Well, maybe not, as Pres Obama seems to be resisting a good part of their vision off All Things Good and True).

Still a lot of talk about the President’s ‘eloquence’ compared to Pres Bush. While it’s a nice quality, I think there are plenty of people who get a bit tongue-tied who are also very effective leaders. I’ll offer one reason people have that impression of Pres Bush (aside from the fact he gave us some doozies on a regular basis) is that his detractors gave them such wide play.

Try this: to see how Pres Obama does without a teleprompter just go to Google and type ‘youtube Obama without a teleprompter.’ Keep it simple, click on the first hit. About the only time you’ll see anything like this mainstream is maybe on Leno, Letterman or Kimmel.

It’s not about Bush and Obama being in the same oratorical league. It’s about how people do unscripted (Bush had some great moments, as has Obama; they’ve both given us plenty to cringe at) and how that is used to define intelligence.

CommunistAJC

February 25th, 2009
9:11 am

Bosch,
spare you the lecture? Um, last time I checked it was still a free country, comrade. I can say pretty much whatever I want. If you don’t like the fact that Hussein is his middle name then I’d ask you to get over it.

CommunistAJC

February 25th, 2009
9:13 am

DB, Gwinnettian,
if you could actually read then you’d know that nowhere in that posting is your name mentioned.

pcrow

February 25th, 2009
9:14 am

Observer
Given the logic you toss out should your property tax bill be revised to include the debt serviced on your mortgage? “To state it any other way is misleading.”

Me

February 25th, 2009
9:15 am

We now live in an “American Idol” society where how good you look and sound is the most important part of politics. The actual message that Jindal gave is unimportant; just how he looked/sounded while giving it is the most important thing. God help us. We deserve what we get.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 25th, 2009
9:16 am

In fact, it is indeed more than a trillion when you factor in debt service (interest)

Observer, a little common sense, please. Had Obama similarly “factored in debt service” when, say, specifying the costs of the Iraq war in 2008 campaign stump speeches, you think Republicans would’ve cut him any slack?

Taxpayer

February 25th, 2009
9:16 am

By the way, $787 billion plus something as outrageous as a 10% annual interest rate would only be $866 billion.

CommunistAJC

February 25th, 2009
9:16 am

Bosch,
your hypocrisy is showing bright today. You guys ripped on Bush for 8 solid years and yet you somehow think that all of America should just bow down and agree with Hussein Obama. Got news for you comrade, it ain’t happening. The last people who should be lecturing anyone on tact is you.

Paul

February 25th, 2009
9:18 am

Hey Bosch

The other day we were discussing why some governors didn’t want to take some of the bailout money – if it would lead to initial funding for program expansion, because after the initial federal funding the state would have to cover the increased costs.

I understand one of the areas in unemployment payments. Not the increased amount, but because it also covered part-time workers.

I think the Reps could have done a whole lot better on that issue by saying “Look, Democrats in Charge, corporations (could toss in WalMart here, that’s always good for a hiss) hire people for 32-hour workweeks so they can classify them as part-time and not pay benefits. Democrats have encouraged the deterioration of the workplace by encouraging this practice to continue with this stimulus program. We call upon Democrats to penalize corporations that continue to cut American workers’ opportunities and end this oppressive practice.”

Reality Check

February 25th, 2009
9:21 am

I am fiercly independant, So i take everything that both of the major parties say with a grain of salt. That being said, I had to ask myself “What the H*** was Jidal doing?? We all know that the message is what should matter, but If the messanger falls short, you are done before you get started. Jindal blew it and we all know it…..

Paul

February 25th, 2009
9:21 am

Bosch

CommunistAJC and I had quite a discussion on the use of the name “Hussein” as the primary noun for Pres Obama. I think it makes about as much sense as referring to “Pres Walker” instead of “Pres Bush.” At least it would be consistent.

’sides which, “Walker” is kinda cool. Invokes that whole Chuck Norris Texas Ranger thing.

Nobama Nomore

February 25th, 2009
9:25 am

You are a Socialist and have no idea what you are talking about. Obama is an empty suit and blows hot air. He could NEVER make any of those promises and cut the deficit! I majored in Economics and what he has planned will break us and destroy us economicaly.

Rage Against The Machine

February 25th, 2009
9:28 am

Jindal’s words were just as lame as the so called Messiah’s lastnight. I laughed so hard a few times that I had Kool-Aide coming out my nose. Same old crap from both sides. It’s not or fault, but we’re gonna fix it. Oh, and Jay, FU!

Paul

February 25th, 2009
9:29 am

Nobama Nomore

Pres Obama’s plan to cut the deficit will destroy us economically?

Chad Harris

February 25th, 2009
9:35 am

Great blogs by Jay today and yesterday. The tax columns had pretty decent exchanges for a while that actually worked on analyzing tax structure parity or acurately lack of it. We can all agree that the tax code needs to be completely overhauled and simplified so that Ms. Publix/Kroeger shopper can understand it fully on an individual or couple filing basis for the bellshaped curve of households at least.

Au contraire; with what’s at stake after foreign policy and domestic economics have been flown into the ground along with the Constitution the past eight years, a one party system is what we need for the next few centuries. And the Republicans seem intent on delivering it. Bravo I say–more Jindal and more Palin.
You betcha! Talk about a quintissential dead man walking, ole Piyush is it.

Jindal showed last night why if he is a “rising Republican star” they are on their perpetual kamikazi mission politically.

First of all, besides looking like he had been embalmed, Jindal’s message was to screw the weakest citizens of this country.

Besides being legally too stupid to read the Stim bill’s sections, saying he wants to selectively turn down the unemployment expansion (illegal under current passed law and specifically made so by Congressional explicit intent so that’s not even litigation material).

I understand Bobby Jindal’s story that his dad got out the yellow pages and found work. Who wouldn’t applaud the story of every American who comes from India and their outstanding track record of achievement which is visible in every major city in every major profession.

But when Bobby’s dad made a go of it, he had not lost his job through no fault of his own, and we were not losing 600,000 jobs a month due to a perfect storm of
consumers who paid no attention to rational rules of credit and predatory lenders who paid no attention to rational rules of credit.

I found Jindal to be as articulate and communicative a speaker as Bristol Palin in her “abstinence is like like like [no fun in the backseat of rednecks car?]

Jindal is getting panned on Republican right wing blogs–check ‘em out if you have enough phenergan in your medicine cabinet.

Bobby Jindal Response Panned By Pundits, Republicans And Democrats Alike

Besides the absolutely disingenuous substance of Jindal’s points as governor of New Orleans that only the individual should be handling the economic stresses this country and his state in particular faces, I haven’t seen a flatter more uninspiring affect in a politician that I can remember in years.

It would be fairer perhaps if being dynamic on television or you tube weren’t a requisite for the job of national politician but that’s simply not reality.

If you couple Jindal’s extreme right wing views, and his religion infused agendas with his near comatose delivery and his obviously strained efforts at trying to convey passion, you have failure ladies and gentleman with a capital “F” right there in Baton Rouge.

I thought the nation was being addressed by the Louisana State Tree after it had died.

From a state whose song is “You Are My Sunshine” Jindal represents stormy weather for the Republicans. I’d push Charlie Crist if I were you and your a Republican, but we’ll still take him down. Obama is just beginning to get momentum in the most challenging milieu for a president because of the inheritance of a cascade of failed lack of initiative.

“After watching Jindal,” one Democratic strategist emailed, “I’d pay a lot of money to be back watching a Palin speech.”

I wouldn’t pay a cent to be watching Sarah, but there is always this. I can’t tell Sarah Palin from Tina Fey imitating Sarah Palin, and if Tina Fey were to speak her political mind seriously, there would be no doubt that Tina Fey is eminently more qualified to be President.

And on that note–it’s going to be Senatuh Franken very very soon–and stem cell funding executive order very very soon. The two should happen about the same time.

On a brighter note from a medical point of view, Howard Dean is gaining momentum as an HHS Secretary possibility although there may be some behind the scenes private conflict with Dean and Obama I wish I could ferret out.

There is just no comparison between Dr. Dean, an experienced internist who has had years of patient care experience wrestling with the bureaucratic federal and insurance boondoggle, compared to Kathy Sybilius who has no clinical medical experience whatsoever and has no national political experience or real understanding of Congress.

Julescator

February 25th, 2009
9:35 am

Here is the problem with the “opposition” party. Surely there are times when you have a point of agreement with the majority party. Just saying “no” to their “yes” gets a tad old in about 2 weeks.

Gov. Jindal lacks one of the most essential talents to be a politician and a leader – oratory skills. Repeating the republican tag line – yet again, fell flat and will continue to do so. The GOP really needs to seriously find a better way to connect with the American people.

Eric

February 25th, 2009
9:36 am

Shouldn’t this really be about what Barry said last night Jay? I know you’d like to deflect the conversation from the Obamanation but REALLY??

How in the hell did this guy graduate from college, never the less Law school? We invented the automobile? Really? Like Al invented the internet I guess. Shows you what affirmative action will get you – a law degree. If it wasn’t so F’n sad I would have laughed for an hour.
This is the savior? Let me tell you boys, the king has no clothes on and we’re all in DEEP S**T

GodHatesTrash, Superstar

February 25th, 2009
9:37 am

Piyush simpering Chimperor-style into the Republican echo chamber.

What was he thinking?

Oh. He’s GOP.

He doesn’t have to think. Just spout the same old tired lies.

SaveOurRepublic

February 25th, 2009
9:37 am

David Brooks is a Globalist Neocon, so no wonder he’d oppose any talking points aimed at the problem of Big Government. “Socialist-Lite” Brooks whines….“To come up at this moment in history with a stale ‘government is the problem,’ ‘we can’t trust the federal government’ – it’s just a disaster for the Republican Party…,it’s just not where the country is, it’s not where the future of the country is.”. Total BS Brooks….that’s EXACTLY where the country is…a distrust of an inept, bloated, power-hungry, Globalist co-opted Federal government! I’m no fan of Jindal (who has Neocon leanings in his own right), but Brooks is the quintessential RINO who embraces mass government spending, foreign entanglements & probably open/borders & amnesty. Neocons are why the GOP is crumbling & why I left it (years ago).

Taxpayer

February 25th, 2009
9:38 am

Chuck Norris is really starting to show his years. I bet he’d have a hard time kicking multiple buttocks at the same time any more. He might have to settle for taking down the bad guys one at a time now.

As for Obama, he’s gonna kick a whole bunch of Republican buttocks at once and he all but told them so to their faces in that speech. The lying ways of the Good Ole Boy Bush days are gone. The wasteful Iraq war is coming to an end, 52,000 tax cheats can run but they cannot hide, the deserving will get the tax breaks and that list does not include no arrogant scumbags in CEO slots…change is good as long as it’s good change like that which Obama brings. Yippe-ki-yay. 8O

Bosch

February 25th, 2009
9:41 am

Commie,

“It’s a free country” was a favorite come back of many of my friends in middle school (or maybe even elementary school). I’m certainly not bothered by President Obama’s middle name, but quit acting so innocent, we know why you use it.

@9:36 – I have never, and will never say, we are to all just agree with the President no matter what. Try that on someone else. You are ranting to the wrong person.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hey Paul – top ‘o the Ash Wednesday morning to ya. Have you repented yet? Asked for Absolution? Got any weird black markings on your forehead?

I have to disagree with your statement about Dems have encouraged the deterioration of the workplace by encouraging this practice to contineu with this stimulus program.

I know that is a favorite talking point these days of the “We’re Not Gonna Take It – Big Bad” GOP Governors. But I don’t see this money as starting anything new. Providing unemployment benefits, and public education aren’t new programs – and this money is going to help out with budget shortfalls. It’s not permanent.

WalMart – Hhhhhhhiiiiiiissssssssssssss.

And it’s rather hypocritical in the Bosch playbook for Republicans to call upon Democrats to penalize corporations for anything. Yeah, that got me laughing real good this morning. Good thing I hadn’t popped open my Coke yet. That would be like my kids saying, “Ya’ know, your bedroom could use some cleaning, it’s rather messy.”

But as I said earlier, two wrongs don’t make a right.

And forgive me if I’m wrong, and I certainly have no link, source, website, or anything to back up this claim, but aren’t Democrats traditionally more sympathetic to the American worker – i.e. middle class? Notice I used the word “traditionally” and I’ll also throw in a “historically” too just to cover my bases.

Julescator

February 25th, 2009
9:41 am

Nobama Nomore,
You don’t have to have a MBA (which I do) to realize that there are 2 ways to have more money to spend a. borrow money or b. cut expenses.
I guess you missed the part where President Obama said they had to cut many programs. He will also reduce the tremendous money we spend in Iraq. Hell just getting rid of Halliburton will save billions. It’s not that difficult. We do this with our own budgets. Times are tight now so most Americans will stop eating out, going to the movies and malls. You don’t think that will give them more money in their wallents even if the don’t get a pay raise? Explain.

Dusty

February 25th, 2009
9:42 am

Well, after hearing the President’s Santa Claus speech last night, Jindal was a very wholesome offset. The Louisiana governor told us the truth about superfluous gift-giving that is costly. He was calm and did not get into the political rabble rousing phase that Obama finally hit. I thought the big “O” was going to start preaching with a few halleluias thrown in at the end. Yeah, get the crowd going and Nancy a’hopping! What a show!

I knew Jindal was a total success as soon as I saw Bookman’s repudiation. Dems doing the old tear down bit just like they dumped on Bush for eight years. They still don’t know how to behave.

Yeah..halleluia! We ‘re going into debt ridden socialism. Oh joy!! Obama just told us how happy we will be and every Democrat fell for it! But that is no surprise.

S.B

February 25th, 2009
9:43 am

OMG! Does CommunistAJC work? This joker has time to reply to each and every post about these stupid Neo-Cons, please gives all a break and shut up!

DB, Gwinnettian

February 25th, 2009
9:43 am

c’ajc, I genuinely doubt you have even the faintest grasp of how SS is projected to bestructured and funded, based on your outburst @ 9.09.

Nor do you even remember what the President was proposing, or more accurately, wasn’t proposing, because he hadn’t bothered to provide solid numbers to back up his carve-outs.

GodHatesTrash, Superstar

February 25th, 2009
9:45 am

DB, I responded to your question on the last thread…

professional skeptic

February 25th, 2009
9:47 am

Anyone who criticizes Obama’s stimulus package as wasteful while turning a blind eye to the trillions upon trillions of debt that was racked up during the Bush years loses all credibility in my mind.

Julescator

February 25th, 2009
9:47 am

Dusty:
Ditto to you. We know President Obama hit the mark when we read your comments. Way to try to convince yourself. You aren’t convincing us.

BTW – Jindal was horrific! The GOP should just put this crap on flash cards and show them in lieu of a poorly framed speech. Until the GOP realizes they have a problem, they are doomed to repeat their past mistakes and ruin their chances of ever winning a national election. Oh well, that’s the choice you make.

Obama was fantasitic and a sure-footed leader. NO one can take that away.

Jeffrey S

February 25th, 2009
9:48 am

I think you all are on the wrong track.

Jindal’s apparent epic fail was a clever ruse to get democrats to lower their guard and dismiss him as “no threat”.

The plan was hatched at a meeting between Bobby, Sarah, Joe (the plumber) and Carl Rove held at a secret location believed to be in Alaska.

With the democrats ignoring them (tied down solving republican created problems) the chosen ones will polish their stuff and come out with all guns blazing in 2011. Beware Dems, Bobby is playin’ you…

Taxpayer

February 25th, 2009
9:49 am

I’m with Dusty on this one, it’s Jindal/Palin or Palin/Jindal every four years until they win. They could even toggle the order in each election.

Mrs. Godzilla

February 25th, 2009
9:52 am

best line I’ve heard so far…

“what possessed Bobby Jindal last night?”

CommunistAJC

February 25th, 2009
9:55 am

DB, Gwinnettian,
by all means, defend SS. It’s not going to be there when I retire so I put no effort into caring about it. I have my own savings and investments that are well out of reach of your imperial socialist president. And yes, I fully understand how SS is projected to bestructured and funded. Dimwit, that’s why I invest in other things. It’s a pipe dream to think that any of our SS dollars will be seen again. It’s you who is going to wake up one day and wonder what happened.

By the way, all the trash talk about Jindal is ridiculous. What was he supposed to say and do? It’s a response. Not one response from ANY State of the Union has done anything for either side in past years. I might also add that we are only 2 months into Hussein Obamas first term. Get ready for a bumpy ride troglodytes because anyone who invests in government interests will be disappointed.

CommunistAJC

February 25th, 2009
9:58 am

professional skeptic,
we all know that Bush racked up debt, genius. It’s his spending problem that got him the most hot water with the voters. Had he had restraint like a conservative we would not be looking at the new socialist leader.

AmVet

February 25th, 2009
10:00 am

Just skimmed through the comments, and especially last night, wow! The rabid Reich-wing is in an even bigger delusional tizzy than usual.

It has been noted often here and everywhere else from sea to shining sea – the current GOP is little more than a train wreck. Discounted and repudiated, they are a joke and their straight man is Mr. Jindal.

About a week or so ago, I asked the BushCo bootlickers here to show me ANY Republican alternatives to this proposed “stimulus package”.

The response?

Mikey the Chaste, aka, the Demander in Chief, provided a 36 page pdf. With nary an explanation or summary.

I shiite you not. It was obvious he had not even looked at it, nor could intelligently talk about a single thing in it.

I ask again fiscally fraud conservatives – where are the loyal oppositions alternative and superior recommendations to this proposal?

Take your time and don’t hurt yourselves, ostriches. I’ll be out for a few hours, helping pay for the bailouts, the occupation and your welfare payments…

KNelson

February 25th, 2009
10:02 am

Please understand this Democrats. The conservative American understands that you have given up on freedom. There was nothing in his speech that did not give more power to the government and less to the capitol economy that made it great. Never in our history has government taken power and ownership of any program and then given it back. Everything you give away is out of your hands forever.
Health care, banking, spending personal freedom. This happened in Japan in the 90ies and they now refer to that decade as the lost years. You won the election but you sold your freedom to political correctness.

itpdude

February 25th, 2009
10:06 am

Anyone following Obama had a tough task. However, Jindal was horrible. I don’t really know him, I’m only vaguely familiar, but from what I saw last night he is not the GOP’s great brown hope. Frankly, I haven’t been impressed with this Steele character either. Maybe the GOP brand is that shattered or maybe the GOP lacks talent or maybe I’m personally that disaffected by the GOP. But the GOP has yet to present a good case, even with the nice guy Jindal. He bombed.

Lauren

February 25th, 2009
10:07 am

Republicans just can’t stand it that Obama comes off as capable, intelligent and commanding. So they only reply they have is to lamely call him stupid. Stupid?? This from people who voted for Bush? LMAO!!

RW-(the original)

February 25th, 2009
10:08 am

DB,

You didn’t really need to go all the way back to 1995 to find a Governor giving the response to a State of the Union/Not State of the Union address. It was only as short a time back as 2006 when Tim Kaine trotted out his trick eyebrow to distract us from whatever he said in his response.

Joey

February 25th, 2009
10:09 am

Maybe all of you Democrats are right. Maybe the Republican presidential options are so weak that Obama will be re-elected regardless of his performance.

True or not, that is clearly what you are hoping for.

I would feel a little better about the US if you were excited about Obama and Reid and Pelosi and Dodd and Frank. Rather than excited that Republicans havenot identified a competitor.

TnGelding

February 25th, 2009
10:11 am

Since the Social Security Trust Fund had a balance of $2 trillion, $366 billion at the end of 2008, why not suspend taxes until the economy recovers? Oh, I forgot. Reagan spent it on Star Wars and bombers, and Bush spent it in Iraq.

Was that 1983 hare-brained idea the biggest tax increase in our history?

KNelson

February 25th, 2009
10:11 am

Lauren ,
No intelligent person has called Obama stupid, as he is not. He is however Americas worst mistake beyond any Bush ! He is the new face of the Socialist American. There is NO argument from your side. If you cannot see what is happening then you maybe one to call him Stupid.

Mrs. Godzilla

February 25th, 2009
10:13 am

What a great country!

We allow the minority a voice.

CNN reaction poll:

64% very positive

24% somewhat positive

8% negative

That 8% is pretty loud this morning, but it seems all that volume is wasted effort.

Hot Damn! We got a hellava Pres!

getalife

February 25th, 2009
10:13 am

“Oh God” was right.

I told him he needed to slow down when he speaks because cons are really slow.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 25th, 2009
10:14 am

c’ajc, you can name-call all you like in an effort to keep me off your trail, but it’s not going to work. There’s no reason to assume that SS “won’t be there” (a whine–sorry, Jay–I’ve heard from all kinds of people for the past thirty years!) as presently configured. Possibly scaled back a little bit due to political pressure brought to bear by righties, sure. But failing some social upheaval like a Civil War or invasion/occupation from another Great Power, no. You’re wrong.

GHT, I read your reply, thanks for troubling yourself to do this.

Obviously you and I disagree on style but not political ideology, not all that much. About all I can do is ask you to try to tone it back a bit, and maybe encourage dialog with those to the right of us who aren’t behaving like “nutterbutters” (your term) at a given moment.

Then again, I guess that anyone with as deliberately provocative a screen name as yours isn’t really here to encourage dialog with political opposites. (Same goes for the ridiculously named, and utterly rude to the host, “CommunistAJC” and “AJC/DNC Management”, of course.)

professional skeptic

February 25th, 2009
10:14 am

Commie: Perhaps you should have been chosen to deliver the Rethuglicon rebuttal.

Paul

February 25th, 2009
10:16 am

Bosch

I was putting forth the idea of Democrats encouraging deterioration of full-time jobs thru legitimizing full unemployment benefits for part-time workers as a Republican strategy. Reality is, Dems hold the Legislative reins. For all the talk about evil CEOs and screwing the workers they have the ability to legislate some changes in how the transition to part-time workers happens. Democrats haven’t.

But expanding benefits for part-time workers is, I believe, a permanent change the states will have to pay for.

I get a kick out of the WalMart example (did you know they used to advertise “American made” for their stuff?). People complain and complain about jobs going overseas. Then what do they do? They go to WalMart ‘cause they’re cheaper! And one reason they’re cheaper? They buy from China and lots of other countries!

Irony. I love irony.

Your point about the perception of Democrats being more sympathetic to workers? Sure (and now you’re gonna get hammered with flames about how it’s Labor Workers and the stimulus bill is a payoff (in some cases, it was) and all that. So get ready. But that perception is why I thought Reps could make some points against their Democratic opponents over the part-time worker thing. But Reps have the perception of being in the pockets of the corporations.

Hey, that’s why we don’t have any viable third parties! Dems take workers, Reps take corporations. Dems take spending, Reps take tax cuts. Dems take gov’t providing, Reps take private industry providing. There ain’t any readily identifiable third options, so no third party.

Wow. My work here today is done.

Didja get that, AmVet?

59 hours 43 minutes

That's all folks

February 25th, 2009
10:17 am

Ahminasnit’s favorite VET conveniently overlooks the fact that NOBODY, including oblahma and the pork peddlers, know what’s in this “stimulating” BILL US LATER too fiasco. The individual porkers know what they contributed but overall? NOBODY KNOWS and DEMS DON’T CARE. A VOTE IS A VOTE NO MATTER WHAT TRACK IN SKIDS IN ON!

DB, Gwinnettian

February 25th, 2009
10:18 am

“It was only as short a time back as 2006 when Tim Kaine trotted out his trick eyebrow to distract us from whatever he said in his response.”

Snort. Yeah, I remember him not being very good (actually did stay up to watch that, I seem to remember).

With Christie/’95, I figured I’d find a Republican to use as a “so what?” example, though. Apples:apples and all.

Will

February 25th, 2009
10:21 am

Bobby Jindal was put in the unenviable position of HAVING to deliver a rebuttal. I guess that its was like being on a high school debate team and being assigned to take the CON position on a tough subject. To be sure, I a voted for the President but I definitely see the value in a two party system and would like to see the Republican Party thrive a little more than it does now. If you listen to the words that Jindal said, he said a couple of things that were reasonable…a couple of things. The problem was that he didn’t have a lot to say and I got the impression that he thought that he was addressing the ‘gang’ on Sesame Street. Either Mitch McConnell or John Boehner would have been a much better choice to give the GOP response. Surprisingly, I had a very hard time taking Jindal seriously. He’s a Rhodes scholar and the nation’s youngest governor afterall. The GOP is barking up the wrong tree in using Jidal or Palin as their spokes people.

Oblahmi

February 25th, 2009
10:21 am

Uh, I’m going to, uh, cure cancer!!

Davo

February 25th, 2009
10:22 am

“Defending the program Tuesday at a Senate hearing, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said it’s important to save those who made bad calls, for the greater good. He likened it to calling the fire department to put out a blaze caused by someone smoking in bed.

“I think the smart way to deal with a situation like that is to put out the fire, save him from his own consequences of his own action but then, going forward, enact penalties and set tougher rules about smoking in bed.”

Great reasoning…from the actual guy who smoked in the bed to begin with.

More proof that Obama economics will fail..or prevail if your a socialist.

Taxpayer

February 25th, 2009
10:24 am

Wow! What a number, huh! An outbreak of salmonella food poisoning traced to peanut products has sickened 666 people and is continuing despite one of the biggest food recalls in U.S. history, health officials said on Tuesday. Of course, we don’t need no steenking government to handle this. That’s what lynch mobs were made for — they’re quick and very efficient.

AJC/DNC Management

February 25th, 2009
10:25 am

Ahahahahaha-

WAS IT SOMETHING HE SAID?- Dow 7,191.40 -159.54 -2.17%-Drudge

Dusty

February 25th, 2009
10:26 am

Oh my goodness, President Obama won the Oscar awards last night for making the best speech since “Mr. Smith goes to Washington” or was it Mr. Jones? That was the best “performance” I’ve seen from an amateur actor in a long time. He even got a bit of MLK there at the end. Oh the emphasis, the religious fervor, I was impressed.

Yep, he gets the “Oscar” for his role in BIGGEST & BEST DEBT EVER. He gets a hot dog and chili for his over the rainbow solutions. He forgot to tell us where the pot of gold was coming from when we get the rainbow. BUT who noticed? All were enthralled! Poor losers. Waiting for the handouts with joy!!

AJC/DNC Management

February 25th, 2009
10:28 am

Ahahahahahaha-

LONDON (Reuters) – Abuse of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay has worsened sharply since President Barack Obama took office as prison guards “get their kicks in” before the camp is closed, according to a lawyer who represents detainees.

RW-(the original)

February 25th, 2009
10:28 am

DB,

These responses always look ridiculous compared to the spectacle of the SotU/NSotU speech. On balance I was far more pleased by the message Jindal gave than the one Obama gave, but I guess that’s what makes the world go ’round.

There has never been a response, nor do I think there ever will be, that was as clownish and SNL ready than the one where Harry and Nancy sat in front of a fire and stared at us for ten minutes.

I’m off to the forest, see y’all upstairs for happy hour.

TnGelding

February 25th, 2009
10:29 am

AJC/DNC Management

February 25th, 2009
10:25 am

Looks like yesterday was just another bear rally, but the day is young. At least you can revel in your patriotism.