GOP still peddling its patent medicine

A handful of Republican governors in the South, including possibly Georgia’s Sonny Perdue, are making noise about turning down a small part of the stimulus package, more or less as a protest. They’re echoing the criticism of congressional Republicans in Washington and, in cases such as Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, trying to earn points with the base in preparation for stepping onto the national stage.

Their problem, of course, is that the appeal of their approach is to the Southern base and ONLY to that base. While 68 percent of Americans approve of what Obama is doing on the economy, 59 percent disagree with congressional Republicans.

Only 33 percent — the GOP base — support the Republican approach. GOP leaders keep playing to that core group, stirring cheers and enthusiasm from their buddies as they do, but meanwhile the rest of the country ignores them and moves on.

A couple of Republican governors do understand that’s crazy.

“You know, you’ve got to go beyond just the principles. You’ve got to go and say, ‘What is right for the country right now?’,” says Arnold Schwarzenegger of Cal-ee–fornia. “I think that, if they — they should make an effort to work together and to find what is best for the people, because by derailing everything, it’s not going to help anybody, and it creates instability and insecurity.”

Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, who has appeared with Obama in support of the package, gets it too:

“It’s not a matter of bucking the party. It’s a matter of helping the people. I really view it as an issue what can I do that’s best for the people of Florida.”

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Mrs. Godzilla

February 23rd, 2009
7:34 am

Jindal is talking about turning down 2%. (Extending unemployment benefits when we’re bleeding jobs is such a radical socialist commie pinko decent compassionate right American thing to do)

It’s enough to say I’m saying THANKS BUT NO THANKS, but still get 98% of the $$$$$.

Snazzy.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 23rd, 2009
7:42 am

But Mrs. G, remember how Gov. Palin stopped claiming she’d said “thanks, but no thanks,” once she’d been called out on it?

Oh, wait…

Thanks, guys

February 23rd, 2009
7:44 am

What an original and productive idea. But, then again, we should expect nothing but grandstanding political parroting from these illiterate boobs.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 23rd, 2009
7:46 am

Not sure I get the “Cal-ee–fornia” bit, Jay.

TnGelding

February 23rd, 2009
7:54 am

With help from the media:

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/hannity-produces-armageddon-video-prese

Any spending will stimulate, some better than others. Congressional Republicans lost all credibility by rolling over for Bush. It’s good to see the governors’ independent streak. Even the Chamber of Commerce is for the bill for goodness sakes. Businesses need customers, not tax breaks. Santelli and Hannity are bordering on treason and trying to incite a riot.

AJC/DNC Management

February 23rd, 2009
8:06 am

Since when did Arnold become a Republican?

Three out of four Democrats support the bill, but that number drops to 51 percent for self-identified independents, and just 32 percent for Republicans. Nearly seven in ten Republicans questioned oppose the bill.-CNN

You mean the Republicans are representing the will of their constituents, why, how awful.

Looks like there’s more money for you socialists to squander.

@@

February 23rd, 2009
8:06 am

I’m not in the habit of loaning money to drug addicts, jay.

The repeated practice serves no one.

If, however, the money “earmarked” for my state is going to California’s economy on steroids, then I say keep it in my state where taxpayers can “believe” it’ll be a shot in the arm to we, the citizens.

Noddin’ of to no-man’s land.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 23rd, 2009
8:07 am

TnGelding, from the C&L page-you-linked’s comments:

“How much of the budget for his show is for Pampers?”

HoyaLawya

February 23rd, 2009
8:08 am

Mrs. G is right, it is easy to be “principled” when it will only cost you a little. I think that Congress should tell states it is an all or nothing proposition. Let them put their money where their mouth is.

GodHatesTrash, Superstar

February 23rd, 2009
8:09 am

Ahnuld’s accent doesn’t sound as stupid and ignorant as I Moon-face Perdoofus’s Jaw-jaw.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 23rd, 2009
8:10 am

@@, but you were ok with taking those “drug addicts”’s money all those years that CA was paying out wayyy more in federal income tax dollars to the government

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/22685.html

than they received, right?

TW

February 23rd, 2009
8:15 am

Simple – the GOP can’t lead. Running on a platform of ‘tax-cuts’ is no different than buying votes – any moron from Texas or Georgia can do that. Real leadership gets the electorate to sacrifice for the benefit of the team. The provisions in the stimulus that these weak little men oppose would require them to actually lead at some point in the future. This, they are unable to do.

Maybe Sonny and Jindal could get the soldiers and their families to foot the future bill? After all, they seem to have no problem at all bleeding this select group.

AJC/DNC Management

February 23rd, 2009
8:19 am

You libs are getting called out-

These Governors — Haley Barbour of Mississippi, Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, Butch Otter of Idaho, Rick Perry of Texas and Mark Sanford of South Carolina — all have the same objection: The tens of billions of dollars of aid for health care, welfare and education will disappear in two years and leave states with no way to finance the expanded programs. Mr. Perry sent a letter to President Obama last week warning that Texas may refuse certain stimulus funds. “If this money expands entitlements, we will not accept it. This is exactly how addicts get hooked on drugs,” he says.

Mr. Barbour says that in Mississippi “we will absolutely have to raise our payroll tax on employers to keep benefits running after the federal dollars run out. This will cost our state jobs, so we’d rather not have these dollars in the first place.”

These five Governors deserve credit for blowing the whistle on the federal trap that Washington has set for their budgets.-WSJ

Setting the stage for another “rescue,” are we?

What will that cost?<——————————-(Now we know why the libs are whining.)

bwa

TnGelding

February 23rd, 2009
8:19 am

DB, Gwinnettian

February 23rd, 2009
8:10 am

GEORGIA DOES AS WELL.

Notice that Alabama, Alaska, Kentucky and Louisiana are just the opposite.

TnGelding

February 23rd, 2009
8:22 am

…not to mention Mississippi and South Carolina.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 23rd, 2009
8:28 am

TnGeld, you’re right (well, the page I’d linked is only current to 2005), although there’s nowhere near as much discrepancy for GA as there’s been for CA for the past twenty-plus years.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 23rd, 2009
8:31 am

ajc/dnc’s kind of cute when he thinks he’s found something we all hadn’t heard already, isn’t he?

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
8:34 am

Arnold has a cool accent. He’s actually a pretty decent Republican — unlike most. He actually tries to work with others instead of against them and he actually cares for the environment. For example, on September 27, 2006 Schwarzenegger signed a bill creating the nation’s first cap on greenhouse gas emissions. He even donates his salary to charity.

Arnold has offered to take any of that stimulus money that his fellow Republican governors don’t want because he is ready to put it to work to help the people rather than try to make political points on yet another failed Republican philosophy — the philosophy of doing whatever it takes to get re-elected rather than doing the right thing for we the people. Then again, Republicans do like to eat their own so I would not expect help from fellow Republicans if I were him.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

February 23rd, 2009
8:43 am

With respect to Gov. Jindal, it was pure pleasure to se him remind Mr. Greory that anyone who “actually read the bill” would understand that the requirement to make “permanent changes” at the state level creates a huge unfunded mandate that is akin to “paying a dime to get a dollar.” Based on that logic, anyone with a brain wave should be swooning over Gov Jindal. We all see in 2012 that, in Gov Jindal, President Obama has met his match. The GOP (and my beloved Southland) will rise again on Gov. Jindal’s shoulders.

G

February 23rd, 2009
8:45 am

If these states hate the federal government so much, why not cut them off altogether? Decentralized government has never actually been practiced so let them try it out and see how well it works. No funding for schools, or drug enforcement or public works or anything else. See how long they actually last.

Personally since the blue states pay more in taxes anyway and the red states are filled with redneck bigots, I think they deserve to lose every cent, but I would be curious as to how long all those dittoheads who took Rush Limbaugh at his word that they don’t need the government would last before being reduced to cannibalism.

The blue states would move into the 21st century while the red states would fall back into the 19th.

GodHatesTrash, Superstar

February 23rd, 2009
8:46 am

It would be great if they could finally get some of these red states to give up the federal government teat. Dixie has been a financial drain on the federal government since Lincoln mistakenly decided to keep them in.

Trillions of dollars have already been spent trying to bring civilization to Dixie, and it hasn’t made much of a dent. It still is the most backward area of the country, and will ever remain so.

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
8:53 am

The right-wing Swiss People’s Party (SVP) called on Saturday for retaliation against the United States over a U.S. tax probe into the country’s biggest bank UBS that threatens prized banking secrecy. – Reuters

Good. Why don’t you insist that UBS quit doing business with US clients. Better yet, why don’t insist that UBS quit helping US clients cheat on their taxes. After all, that makes UBS just as big a crook as the US citizens that used UBS to cheat on their taxes. The rotten crooks.

AJC/DNC Management

February 23rd, 2009
8:55 am

G February 23rd, 2009 8:45 am If these states hate the federal government so much, why not cut them off altogether?

My goodness, I can’t believe the libs actually came up with a good idea, wonders never cease to amaze.

We don’t pay any more federal taxes and then you don’t have to send our money back to us, duh, morons.

Let’s see how long you freaks in DC survive.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 23rd, 2009
8:59 am

The blue states would move into the 21st century while the red states would fall back into the 19th.

Actually, we’ll all move forward a bit; I imagine the voters of those states “filled with redneck bigots”, to use your charming phrase, will see a cheezy political stunt (”we ain’t takin’ them Feddle Gubmint dollahs… not some of them, anyways… ok, coupla-three billion less than we’re entitled to is all”) for what it is.

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
9:06 am

I’d like to see Jindal and the other southern red state governors give up their dependence on agencies like the FDIC and FAA as well. They’re just talking trash to keep their 33% of the voters in the dark while their arms are stretched out behind them and their hands are wide open. Listen close and you can hear each and every one of those Republicans, “I’m entitled to that taxpayer’s money as long as I’m not required to spend it on the taxpayers.” Republicans prefer to eat taxpayers but they will eat their own in a pinch.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 23rd, 2009
9:10 am

It would be great if they could finally get some of these red states to give up the federal government teat.

I’d like to see Jindal and the other southern red state governors give up their dependence on agencies like the FDIC and FAA as well.

I, on the other hand, do not believe in collective punishment, and thus do not think that the decent, hard working, morally upright American citizens of those states should be punished because they happen to be residing in a state run by those duty bound by GOP articles of faith.

NRB

February 23rd, 2009
9:14 am

There goes Jay, reaching for poll numbers again.

Jay, you need to read “The Crowd” by Lebon.

Just because most people may disagree with the Republican approach right now, does not mean it is wrong.

Anyone with common sense knows that the “stimulus” bill is crap and will fail miserably at creating jobs.

And then there’s the Demo-rats…

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
9:19 am

DB,

I would not want to punish the people of those states either. Clearly, I’m simply calling out certain Republican politicians for the no good panderers that they are. They’d sacrifice their own for a vote. The sick little critters.

Truth

February 23rd, 2009
9:24 am

Taxpayer… You are such an idiot. Republicans don’t want anarchy. We just want small government. There is a difference. You government teat suckers need to take some personal responsibility. I bet intellectuals, such as yourself, can survive without the handouts.

NRB

February 23rd, 2009
9:25 am

Imagine a state with no federal taxes, and zero federal government interference?

Companies would trample all over the other states to set up business there, as would productive individuals who don’t have to rely on some politician to get what they need in life.

Unemployment would be near zero, and people would certainly enjoy their 32% (on average) “raise” via less taxes.

There would also be no costly entitlement programs available, giving the state that much more surplus to work with.

The fact that so many businesses would be operating in the state at 100% capacity would give the state enough funding to operate solo without useless federal interference and theft.

It would be a win-win. Businesses could be a success without being punished by Democrats, and workers would enjoy taking home almost double the pay they are now with zero loss of quality of life.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 23rd, 2009
9:30 am

“You government teat suckers need to take some personal responsibility. ”

Those figures about which states have been net income takers just swooped over your head, didn’t they?

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

February 23rd, 2009
9:33 am

G 8:45 am

“…since the blue states pay more in taxes anyway and the red states…”, technically this is a true statement as things exist today because a preponderance of corporations are headquartered in blue states even though many have more significant operations in red states. Where income taxes assessed at the point where value is added or the point of sale rather than based on where the hq is situated, it is likely that red states would would contribute more money to the federal government. So, theorectically, were the Southland to sucede, it be a net gainer in terms of the effect of federal tax revenues.

Now back to something important, how about that Gov. Jindal, if you “actually read the bill” what a retort that all can understand. See you folks in 2012, when Jindal/Palin retakes our country for the patriots among us.

NRB

February 23rd, 2009
9:34 am

I’m not the one who came up with the masturbatory political fantasy, someone else did. I was just pointing out what would actually happen.

And since you cannot logically counter what I said, because you know I’m right, you turn to the issue of race like a good little liberal.

GodHatesTrash, Superstar

February 23rd, 2009
9:34 am

Oh yeah, the south was a gawddamn Shangri-effing-la-de-da before the federal gummint ruined it. :-)

And NRB, do you like poop with your peanuts?

Paul

February 23rd, 2009
9:36 am

Well, I suppose this answers the interminable questions from some on the Left a few days back of “name ONE governor or state that’s gonna reject the money.” As Wyld pointed out at 8:43, the issue some governors are grappling with is that the Fed funds may create or expand programs which the state will then be responsible for funding. They have to carefully consider that.

I see the SC Democratic Representative Clyburn inserted language that would allow state legislatures to override a governor’s rejection. We know where Rep Clyburne stands on the “all powers not specifically granted to the fed shall be to the states” idea.

I’ve been gone for a couple of days. I trust there was laughter and discussion that shortly after AG Holder’s ‘we’re a nation of cowards when discussing race’ speech that Rep Clyburne played the race card when speaking of governors who expressed doubts about accepting the funds?

Hey Bosch, there’s a t-shirt idea for ya. A picture of Rep Clyburne with the caption “Cowardice not Courage!”

I’ll offer the polls still show that the American people are pretty willing to give the new guy a break in his efforts. The numbers are significantly different than the vote split in the election.

What I can’t figure out, though, is why some who regularly denounce Fox as “Faux” and say anything they say is a lie haven’t denounced this thread as it’s based on a Fox report?

GodHatesTrash, Superstar

February 23rd, 2009
9:47 am

NRB has a great idea. The uneducated, poorly trained, and unmotivated workers in the gummint-free south could compete with the folks in Madras, Mumbai, Karachi, Manilla, Jakarta and Ho Chi Minh City for all those great unskilled jobs.

Bring back the seven-year olds working twelve-hour shifts in the textile mills – the good ol’ days before all that gummint interfence!

The economy will BOOM!

G

February 23rd, 2009
9:49 am

Two of three states with governors waffling on acceptance of the stimulus money (i.e., Louisiana and Mississippi), were shafted by the Bush Administration and Republican-dominated Congress in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in 2005 and despite this, all three states (South Carolina tends to be battered by hurricanes every few years) continue to vote blindly for the Republicans. Perhaps we’re witnessing a case of Stockholm Syndrome on a statewide (or perhaps even, regional) level.

It’s not unlike chickens who’ve learned the details of their ultimate fate still voting for Colonel Sanders.

GodHatesTrash, Superstar

February 23rd, 2009
9:51 am

Bookman, I hope you get this blog fixed soon – many of my great comments will be lost, and when my stalkers try to find them again, they won’t be able to.

Midori

February 23rd, 2009
9:58 am

LOL, Sir Trash — when did you become a superstar?

Of course, I’ve always known you had it in you :)

That NRB fella is a real hoot, I’ll tell you wot (in my best Hank Hill voice).

Next he’ll be calling for succession.

NRB

February 23rd, 2009
9:59 am

I’m not talking about north vs south.

I’m talking about any state that would want independence from the useless and inept federal government.

I seem to recall that New Hampshire had wanted to break away from the nation while Bush was in office.

But I’ll let you indulge in your liberal fantasy about slavery and child labor, as if a state could not enact laws to ban both, or that anyone would be interested in either in the first place.

With an imagination like that, one has to wonder why so many Democrats are out of work, spending their days on the welfare tit blogging on KOS and AJC.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 23rd, 2009
10:16 am

Paul @ 9.36, whenever I hear a conservative (or, frankly, most any white guy) use the phrase “play the race card” post-OJ trial, my BS detector goes off, so maybe I shouldn’t ask, but just what was it that Clyburne actually said that got you so testy?

As for the non-denouncing of FNC here, that’s probably due to two reasons:

1) Jay didn’t mention that this was a FNC poll (was it? I’ll take your word for it that it was); and

2) Speaking only for myself, but I do tend to assume that FNC’s polls are handled by professionals who do a decent job of sampling and weighting unless I read otherwise, and that one can trust any posted stats that FNC provides. As to the questions themselves, that’s up for interpretation, but I acknowledge that FNC is going to be asking many of the same questions that pollsters hired by other news outlets might ask. Some of them, on the other hand, are clearly worded to elicit a response that gives hope and comfort to FNC viewers. (not that there’s necessarily anything wrong with that—my idea of a “leading question” might be your idea of “neutral,” after all.)

Oh, and NRB? When you’re reduced to arguing, “I’m not the masturbatory one, YOU’RE the masturbatory one!” — it’s probably time to just write it off and move along.

AJC/DNC Management

February 23rd, 2009
10:20 am

Aahhh, yes, liberal Atlanta is in the news again-

ATLANTA — The FBI has rescued more than 45 suspected teenage prostitutes, some as young as 13, in Atlanta and other cities in a nationwide sweep to remove kids from the illegal sex trade and punish their accused pimps.

Why no write up in the Urinal?

Copyleft

February 23rd, 2009
10:25 am

Jay: It’s true that a small portion of Americans are going to appreciate such an empty, meaningless gesture… but those Americans ARE all southerners, and these guys know their constituency.

The Republican Party: Party of the Ignorant South.

Travist E.

February 23rd, 2009
10:28 am

Schwarzenegger is dreaming if he thinks he can save the left coasters from themselves. I was born and raised in the golden state. Closed my auto repair business and got the hell out in 93 after welfare recipients had the gall to file a lawsuit against the state because our legislature dared to decrease their payments.

$42M it cost us to surrender to those cholos. F*%&#* that dangling participle of progressive freedoms. Opportunity died there by many-a-moon.

Paul

February 23rd, 2009
10:39 am

DB Gwinnettian

Good catch, my apologies. Got up and scanned thru the threads I’d missed, the Fox poll results were on the GPS of the landscape, not this one, so I stand corrected (altho the news reports I caught up with on Fox said about the same thing). I just like to see how people who one minute denounce anything from that network the next minute use it as the basis for a thread discussion. Or ignore their earlier comments when it comes to citing remarks made by Pres Obama – in a Fox interview. Or any of a number of his administration officials.

I’m not upset over Rep Clyburne’s comments. It was a topic as I was scanning through sat radio on my weekend trip. Newsmax synopsis was “The highest-ranking black congressman said Thursday that opposition to the federal stimulus package by southern GOP governors is “a slap in the face of African-Americans.” The “race card” phrase was one I heard a lot – specifically, reports that stated “A spokesman for South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford accused Clyburn of playing the race card.”

U.S. Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C., said he was insulted when the governors of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi and his home state, which have large black populations, said they might not accept some of the money from the $787 billion stimulus package. ” After the blowback started “Clyburn spokeswoman Hope Derrick later said Clyburn didn’t mean he thought those governors were racially motivated in their opposition, but that rejecting stimulus money would hurt black residents.”

Kinda a silly response. One can argue that not taking the money would hurt any resident – altho Clyburn made the point that the states comprise what is known as the “Black Belt” (that’s a new one one me) and the effect would be disproportionate.

Fact is, though, Rep Clyburn saw the issue through a decidedly racial prism.

Oh, some of the polls are a joke. Call-ins and such. But they are not the only outlet that does that and and least they describe the type of poll. I think you’re correct when you say FNC will ask the same types of questions. When the results diverge it’s good to look how the questions diverged.

G

February 23rd, 2009
10:43 am

Jindal wants the country to fail. The Republicans thought he was something until he opened his mouth and everyone realized he has the same thimble sized brain as the rest of the Repubs.

We won’t be seeing him in the picture for long.

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
10:50 am

Truth February 23rd, 2009 9:24 am Taxpayer… You are such an idiot. Republicans don’t want anarchy. We just want small government. There is a difference. You government teat suckers need to take some personal responsibility. I bet intellectuals, such as yourself, can survive without the handouts.

“Truth”,

If you could actually learn to speak the truth instead of posting your blatant lies about me, someone you know absolutely nothing about, then I might be able to read your posts without bursting out laughing — you pathetic twit.

Dave R

February 23rd, 2009
10:52 am

No surprise that Taxpayer thinks Ah-nold is a good Republican governor. After all, he is presiding over a state with a $48 BILLION budget deficit, courtesy of his Democrat buddies in the state legislature, and has somehow not found a way to actually cut spending in any appreciable amount.

Joey

February 23rd, 2009
10:54 am

Thank you for acknowledging that Republican medicine has earned a Patent. While the drug that Democrats are pushing is experimental. Still not ready for use on rats, but Democrata are taking a short cut.
Injecting it directly into humans. Risky at best. Deadly???????

GodHatesTrash, Superstar

February 23rd, 2009
10:58 am

They probably don’t cover terms like “Black Belt” in GED history class, but the term has been around for a long time. People that study history (called “historians”) came up with the term.

You’ve probably heard of slavery. According to some southern historians, nice white people in the south were forced to buy slaves from African kings and mean yankees and give them nice cushy “jobs” on their plantations. In one large area of the rural south, these people were forced to buy so many slaves that they were actually outnumbered by them. This area, which extends from south-central Virginia, through large parts of the Carolinas, Georgia, Alabama, most of Mississippi and Louisiana is called the “black belt”, since to this day the counties involved still have large percentages of black people living there.

Hope this helps!

N.Cite

February 23rd, 2009
10:59 am

“You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot help small men by tearing down big men. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot lift the wage-earner by pulling down the wage-payer. You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot establish security on borrowed money. You cannot build character and courage by taking away men’s initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.” –Presbyterian minister William J.H. Boetcker (1873-1962)

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
11:00 am

NRB wants a logical response to an utterly illogical fantasy world. OK. In a fantasy world, that anyone can create in their mind, anything is indeed possible. There. Go dream the life.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 23rd, 2009
11:04 am

N. Cite, “… and you cannot contribute to an online discussion by copy/pasting some off-topic quote that sounds profound until you realize that there’s absolutely no context provided, and the quote could be about virtually anything.”

Paul, wiki has an entry on the term “Black Belt” to describe a region with a high density of African Amerians…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Belt_Region

looks like none other than Booker T. Washington and W.E.B. Du Bois have used it, so it’s not exactly a spring chicken!

later, all.

Bosch

February 23rd, 2009
11:05 am

These GOP governors are just blowing smoke out their ass – cutting their noses to spite their face. Someone said earlier, let them turn it down – go for it. If you’re gonna protest, then protest loud. Never back down from your beliefs – turn down that money.

And then we’ll see who gets elected next. But then again, in this state, it will probably be the same.

Paul,

Nice t-shirt idea – I think we need to start our own business. We’re brilliant.

My daughter is home today (and tomorrow) with the flu. The actual honest to God flu – I took her to the doctor this morning and they stuck a Q-tip the length of my forearm up her nose. So, I’m on chicken soup, ginger ale duty today – I could think of lots of t-shirt ideas.

GodHatesTrash,

You better watch out – Mike mentioned this weekend that he had googled you, and that you live in Vermont (like, I don’t know, you’ve mentioned that here on the blog and all before) honestly, it’s pretty sad when bloggers start googling each other. I wonder what he was trying to find out. I usually just ignore people on the blog I don’t care to read.

GodHatesTrash, Superstar

February 23rd, 2009
11:08 am

Hi Midori, I’m enjoying a day off, away from the blizzardry of Vermont.

I’ve decided to become a Superstar for my many fans and my legions of stalkers.

Mike

February 23rd, 2009
11:12 am

Bosch –

I appreciate your concern for your bigoted friend. I have no ill intent towards that bigot, I was just curious about what kind of “man” would spew such hate speech on a daily basis.

I do find it interesting that Trash, like most bigots, has little first-hand experience with the large groups of people that he lumps together with ignorant stereotypes so as better to hate them. I found it particularly interesting that such a “tolerant” person lives in the whitest and least diverse state in the union.

I don’t find it surprising that you would not be offended by his ignorant bigotry, as you hate the same people he hates. Kind of like how skinheads are not offended by racist comments directed at those who they hate because of their ignorant bigotry.

N.Cite

February 23rd, 2009
11:12 am

DB seems to have a problem with wisdom of the ages. History withstands the test of any New Deal offered up today.

ghost of strom

February 23rd, 2009
11:12 am

Remember, the republicans used to be the democrats, before Ronnie R., the working man’s friend, who’s bumper sticker said “stop busing”, used the race card to get elected. While these rednecks were worrying about blacks and mexicans, the indians took over the hospitals and gas stations. Ronnie R. was lousy actor and a worse president.

South_Will_Rise_Again

February 23rd, 2009
11:14 am

It’s funny that the ones thinking about refusing some or all of the stimulus have actually READ the bill, something NONE of the morons (read democrats) in Congress did before they voted for it.

Peter

February 23rd, 2009
11:15 am

HA HA HA…………….what a funny comment ………. HA HA HA…………

Looks like there’s more money for you socialists to squander.

HA HA HA………. HA HA HA……….

Ok like a 1.3 trillion dollar debt is not squandered money……….HA HA HA………

Midori

February 23rd, 2009
11:18 am

Keep on keeping on, Sir Trash.

Give ‘em heck.

I have to agree with Bosch: what is this “creepy” fascination they have with you? I hope you check under your car before turning the ignition.

I think you’re a doll :)

Mike

February 23rd, 2009
11:19 am

Jay –

Have you ever considered the possibility that the audience of posters to this blog is limited beacuse people come here, see the mindless hate speech and decide they don’t want to wallow in it?

Perhaps if you moderated the blog a little more, your audience could grow beyond a tiny group of people demonizing each other due to the region in which they live or their political beliefs. Even if that wasn’t the result, at least your name would not be associated with hate speech and the lowest form of debate available on the internet.

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
11:21 am

Dave R,

I have not seen the latest numbers on state debt as a percentage of their GDP but in 2007, California’s was 6.45% while the total of all the states was 6.98%. California ranked 23rd out of 50. Clearly, stating absolute values without accounting for the state’s GDP or other measure of economic output is worthless when comparing different states. Now, try to keep up. Of course, if you would prefer to talk in absolutes, then perhaps you would like to examine the amount of money the government committed to the financial system under Bush’s watch, for starters. Hopefully, even you would agree that nine trillion dollars is a lot of money. Then again…I’m not looking for miracles.

Mort Merkel

February 23rd, 2009
11:21 am

What’s Jaw jaw?

Mike

February 23rd, 2009
11:23 am

Midori -

Of course you don’t see anything wrong with calling millions of people “uneducated, poorly trained, and unmotivated workers in the gummint-free south”, as you share those bigoted opinions as well.

Spare us your endless bleating about racism. You and the rest of the bigots here are as intolerant as any racist.

Dusty

February 23rd, 2009
11:23 am

I did not realize robots could post comments until I read Bookman’s blog. But..24/7 the same IDs, the same thoughts, the same prejudices for the most part. Amazing! Maybe we could get the IQ jerked up a bit for more entertainment. Maybe a rebuild for Taxpayer, Copyleft and Chaddy. Bosch could get plans from BSG and Paul could supevise with good riddance to tripe. I am looking forward to a new day.

GodHatesTrash, Superstar

February 23rd, 2009
11:26 am

Now Mikey, I’ve lived all over this land of mine. I’ve domiciled in New York state, Washington state, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, California, Georgia (almost 30 years) and recently Vermont. I’ve had employees working for me in GA, NC, CA, NY, MA, TX, FL, AX, IL, TN, VA, MD, DC, OH, MN, and AL(adamnbama), white, black, ‘murican, and furriners from 4 continents.

There are ignorant white folks everywhere. There are morons in big pick-em-up trucks with their NRA stickers tailgating me daily in Vermont, it seems.

The only difference between Vermont and Georgia is that the ignorant folks don’t run things.

Truth

February 23rd, 2009
11:27 am

Taxpayer… Pathetic twit? You must be on older fella! You have got to get out more. People don’t use the work “twit” anymore…. ask your grandkids!

GodHatesTrash, Superstar

February 23rd, 2009
11:28 am

AX? AX? Sorry, I mean AZ.

Mike

February 23rd, 2009
11:30 am

LOL. Trash claims that he has lived in all those place and decided that the best place for him is the whitest and least diverse state in the union. Says a lot.

He is still ignorant and he is still a hateful bigot. His words speak for himself.

GodHatesTrash, Superstar

February 23rd, 2009
11:30 am

heading to the beach for some sun, and lunch.

Ciao!

Bosch

February 23rd, 2009
11:31 am

Mike,

No, I’m not defending GHT’s opinions – they are his opinions, and he’s his own person.

I think it speaks volumes that you would go to the trouble to google someone from a blog – for what?

When I do not like a particular posters comments, I scroll past them, and that about does it for me. I do not attempt to find out more information about a person that I for one, don’t care to read their posts, or especially someone I’m so offended by.

Nope, not defending GHT at all, he seems to do that on his own without my help.

I just find it sad that certain bloggers here take it personal enough to stalk someone.

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
11:33 am

Poor Dusty. Her life has clearly been in ruin ever since she found out that Wooten won’t be around to stroke her ego day after day. It’s alright, Dusty. But you do have to face the facts of life. People get old and move on. Things change and hope is renewed. Republicans are now the minority. They have returned to their rightful place in society.

Paul

February 23rd, 2009
11:33 am

superstar

“Hope this helps.” Not much.

DB

Thanks for the wiki reference. Interesting terminology, as when I hear a term including ‘belt’ I don’t think region, necessarily, but some perjorative associations. But if common acceptance is it’s merely descriptive , that’s okay. I wouldn’t recommend using it to describe a microenvironment, though, as it “that part of the city, university housing, etc is the black belt.” I think people might get kinda touchy and question your historical motives.

Bosch

Remember when Pres Clinton sent communities all kinds of money to hire more police officers and fight crime? Went fine until the money ran out. Then many communities realized they didn’t have the local tax base or desire to maintain all of them and cops got fired.

Bosch,

Yes, we are, aren’t we? Hey, maybe we could even write and produce a song! “O Lord, It’s Hard to Be Humble.” Whaddya think?

Oh, and grandson started to let loose during the blessing. I thought of your comment about enjoying such scenes and thought (in church) “Curse you , Bosch!!!!” Little grandson immediately became quiet.

Take that!

Dave R

February 23rd, 2009
11:35 am

Actually, Taxpayer, California’s budget deficit is over 30% of their General Fund numbers. That’s pretty poor fiscal policy, even under Democrat rules.

Wouldn’t want to let FACTS get in the way. Right? Thus far, you’re wrong on the Constitution and wrong on budget deficits. We know you’re wrong about the economy, since you are a liberal.

And as I have always pointed out, I am no fan of Bush or his policies, as a Constitutionalist should never be. Stop making that mistake, you’re not equipped for this kind of argument against someone who doesn’t conform to your misguided right-left, conservative-liberal mentality.

Are you right about anything?

Dusty

February 23rd, 2009
11:39 am

Dear GHTrash,

I just wanted to AX you why you get run off so many places? And if ignorant people don’t run things in Vermont, I guess you are out of a government job there. Vermont is big enough to have a government, isn’t it?

Dee

February 23rd, 2009
11:41 am

You guys need to lighten up on non-taxpayer, eating that free government cheese has affected his liberal left wing brain.

Bosch

February 23rd, 2009
11:41 am

Paul,

I understand their point of long term commitments, but I don’t buy it personally. What exactly are the states getting money for? From what I’ve read, they are getting money for things like Medicaid, Medicare, Unemployment, etc. that they need. If I’m wrong, then my bad. But I’ll stand by what I said earlier, if they don’t like it – if it really goes against their core political beliefs, then refuse it. They are the elected officials.

Good for your grandson! I’m sorry if he made a scene, but I always like those scenes, I think it’s fun. It shows they are smart – weird person they don’t know sprinkling water on their head and rubbing oil on their head, and then parading them around the church – if they don’t cry, I worry.

Mike

February 23rd, 2009
11:43 am

Bosch -

Yeah and skinhead have their own hateful and bigoted opinions too and they need to be called out as the hateful bigots they are. The difference is that their hateful and bigoted opinions would be rightfully censored, as Trash’s hateful and bigoted opinions should be as well. You wouldn’t tolerate ignorant and hateful comments about minorities and you shouldn’t tolerate ignorant and hateful comments about folks based solely on where they live.

And yes, you do defend Trash’s statement for the simple reason that you share his views.

Bigotry is bigotry and it shouldn’t be tolerated. Tolerance for those kind of statements says a whole lot about the bigotry of those people who tolerate them.

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
11:44 am

It’s the Truth, I use “twit” as a descriptor on occasion. I think it’s a cute word. My grandkids are still too young to offer up any new words and my daughter doesn’t even like to listen, much less repeat, the nasty filth she picks up in high school in our little ole rural Georgia county. You would think that in a high school in a county that voted over 75% for the right wing Christian conservative Republican party, the language would not be so nasty. And the drug use…don’t even get me started on these holier-than-thous and their drug use. And, property taxes…don’t even get me started on these Republicans and their love of higher and higher property taxes (without actually calling it a tax increase, of course, it’s an increase in property appraisal without a corresponding decrease in millage rate, dontcha know) and bigger government. Absolute dumbasses, these Republicans. Did I mention that they’re a bunch of hypocrites too.

Dave R

February 23rd, 2009
11:46 am

Now c’mon, Dee, I used to help distribute that free government cheese when I was a kid. Always loved to put all that surplus food into the trunks of brand-new Caddy’s driven by the welfare moms as I was helping out my community.

Dusty

February 23rd, 2009
11:50 am

Dear Taxpayer,

Seems you are an expert on senility and old fossils. Enjoy both of them while you can. The political life of Democrats is usually short lived. This current spell is fueled by charisma which does not get much mileage. Hang in there, buddy! Life on the blog is your only diet and it makes one dull. Have you tried Wheaties? It is supposed to help.

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
11:51 am

Comparative data, Dave R. Try to focus on your lesson. Now, please, let the facts get in your way. It will do that brain of yours wonders. Compute California’s budget as a percentage of their GDP and compare that to other states such as Georgia and Florida. Try to keep your perspective intact. California is big, really big. Many people use California’s performance to even gage the performance of the entire US. That’s how big it is.

G

February 23rd, 2009
11:51 am

The Republicans are taking a big chance with this position of being obstructionists.

This could spell the end of them forever. Such a pleasant thought….Go governors! Don’t take a red cent from those stimulus bills.

Joe

February 23rd, 2009
11:53 am

Tell your kid when he doesn’t have food on the table that he’ll be better off in the long term.

Paul

February 23rd, 2009
11:54 am

Bosch

Haven’t listened all that much, as have been busy with other stuff, but my understanding is there are several areas where it’s not just additional funds provided, but the criteria for people to qualify also changes.

For example (just an example, all made up) say the Feds send more money for unemployment payments. Fine. Say they up the rate or extend the time period, given our circumstances, also fine. But the concern arises when the criteria change becomes permanent, so the benefit level and time frame continues on, even though the dire times will pass. That then becomes a local, not a Fed, responsibility. Even though the Rep governors will probably be long gone, at least they’re looking down the road way past their last election.

Similar note – I read this morning that Pres Obama wants a task force to tackle SS – specifically, Medicare. Guess who’s giving him grief? You got it – liberal Dems. They come up with all sorts of creative excuses. Even though many analysts state it can be corrected with a mix of tax increases (even on upper tier) and benefits delays for those not now receiving benes, Lib Dems seem to completely reject any benefit changes.

‘member what I said about how on many issues Pres Obama’ll get more grief from his own party than from Reps?

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
11:56 am

You have taught us well on all things senile and old, Dusty. I commend you on your perfection of the art of teaching by example. Of course, you shortcoming that is most exposed is your lack of knowledge in other areas. It’s likely due to the senility but it depends. That reminds me, did you remember to restock. On depends — remember. You asked me to remind you.

Dee

February 23rd, 2009
11:56 am

Dave, maybe I was wrong about the cheese affected non-tax-payers brain, but , ya gotta admit he is a misearble soul. So much hate, so little time….

Bosch

February 23rd, 2009
11:56 am

Mike,

It’s sad. For you. And if you’re trying to call me a skin head then go ahead and do it – quit beating around the bush.

I’ve never posted anything that would even remotely give that impression, nor have I ever posted anything to substantiate whether or not I agree or disagree with GHT.

It seems to me that you too are trying to group people into categories based on your own prejudices. Which, is not better than?

RealityKing

February 23rd, 2009
11:58 am

DOW -92.07-1.25%
7,273.60

68 percent of Americans approve of what Obama is doing on the economy???

Bosch

February 23rd, 2009
12:00 pm

Paul,

Like I said I understand the concern, but there hasn’t been any indication that this money will be put into permanent solutions. At least not what I’ve read, like I said, I could be wrong.

We are in unprecedented times, and it requires unprecedented solutions. No one said this is great or wonderful, and no one else has come up with any other solutions, except the same old tax cuts, that, as we’ve seen, doesn’t work so well in today’s environment.

rightofcenter

February 23rd, 2009
12:01 pm

Mike,
It has about come to the time where all conservatives leave this blog forever (we’ll leave it to Andy and Commie….they seem to enjoy the pissing contest with the regulars). Jay is obviously not interested in having a place for intelligent, civil discussion. For starters, a ridiculous number of his posts and columns still disparage Republicans. Hello, Jay, didn’t you get the memo that the Democrats are in full control? Quit living your life in the rearview window. Secondly, Jay (and the lockstep crowd on this blog) seems to be of the opinion that it is the Republicans patriotic duty to just go along with President Obama since 68% or whatever support the president. What a stupid idea. Who needs other opinions or who needs to represent the 32% who don’t agree with him? They have to rights!

Dave R

February 23rd, 2009
12:03 pm

FACTS, Taxpayer. Try to focus on them. GDP don’t mean a thing when it comes to BUDGETS. Typical liberal tactic – when faced with un-supportive data, change the rules of the argument.

Sorry, but it doesn’t fly with those of us with working brains.

Now, when I say that the California state budget deficit is above 30% (and now approaching 40%) of their General Fund, it has nothing to do with their GDP, rather, it has everything to do with their LACK of fiscal management in a state run by Democrats.

I keep telling you that you aren’t equipped to argue with me, and you keep proving it every time you post, yet you keep posting.

Isn’t the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over, but expecting different results?

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
12:18 pm

I see the facts still elude you Dave. Then again…as I stated earlier, I did not expect a miracle and indeed I did not get one. Now, please continue to spout your nonsense. How about another one of those manifestos that you dumped over the weekend. That was quite amusing. You have any more pages out of life’s musings that you want to entertain us with. Go for it.

getalife

February 23rd, 2009
12:22 pm

Jindal and the gop are playing hoover politics.

Nagin wants the money.

Another sure gop loser.

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
12:22 pm

Dave,

One final point for that feeble brain of yours. You keep “challenging” me, and others, and even insisting that I, and others, respond to your childish demands. Try to keep your facts straight, little fella.

CommunistAJC

February 23rd, 2009
12:26 pm

Bookman,
where did you get your poll numbers from? I saw a poll that said 47% agreed on the stimulus, and that was down 12% from 3 weeks ago. I’ve spoken when several business professors at the University of Chicago recently and they’ve all said that the only thing that will grow is government. Nothing in the bill stimulates any growth. You’ve yet to write any article on HOW this bill will stimulate growth in the economy. Creating government jobs is not economic growth. I know that you have a disdain for capitalism but you are quite ridiculous when it comes to knowing anything about business, Jay.

Midori

February 23rd, 2009
12:27 pm

Mike,

everything I know about hate I learned from your bigoted, hypocritical, MINORITY party.

you “people” do it so well.

CommunistAJC

February 23rd, 2009
12:28 pm

Dave R,
you need to understand libs. They don’t believe in facts, only good intentions. Bookman and the rest of the clowns on this blog don’t know anything about how businesses are run.

Mrs. Godzilla

February 23rd, 2009
12:29 pm

Maybe somebody should introduce Governor Jindal’s unfunded mandate to a sunset clause.