Dow Jones is free-fallin’

In the video below, Americans participate in a large-scale acting exercise. Their assignment:

“Be the stock market.”

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AJC/DNC Management

February 23rd, 2009
5:33 pm

But stocks slumped and never looked back as investors fretted that companies that don’t get such aid could remain in jeopardy, while those that do are likely to see the government take preference over other shareholders for dividend and debt payments.-WSJ

Yep, the banking sector has to pay off their government bail out before they can turn a profit, so what’s in it for me?

duh

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

February 23rd, 2009
5:44 pm

I just have to see how the libs try to spin a stock market that has had its bottom fall out into an example of President Obama’s superior performance. Truth is that, in the last few weeks, we have seen investors vote emphatically that they consider neither President Obama nor his administration up to the task at hand.

By, alas, all is not lost as the Jindal administration, with Sara-cuda in the co-pilot chair, picks up the reigns in approx. 1,461 days.

G-d save this nation.

getalife

February 23rd, 2009
5:45 pm

Talking cable heads trying to blame the President but has not reached daddy bush recession yet. If it is a global depression, it should go to at least 3000.

@@

February 23rd, 2009
5:52 pm

Do not dilute yourselves (or the shares that investors hold in banks), men have simply not evolved. Not one woman in that video.

@@

February 23rd, 2009
5:52 pm

…and yes, I know the correct word was delude. I was havin’ a little fun.

AJC/DNC Management

February 23rd, 2009
5:56 pm

Say, I got a question, well, actually a quandary, that I’d like to ask the blog.

If we were to impeach Oblahma, that would make Hair Plugs the president and we obviously cannot have that.

But even worse, if we impeached both Oblahma and HP, that would hand Pelosi the executive and even broaching such a subject calls into question one’s sanity.

One other option, impeach Oblahmi and then a few weeks later impeach HP, but the problem there is that HP will appoint some other moron democrat to the vice presidency, so the cycle of impeachment would never end.

We have to find a way to impeach all three of these bozos, barry, HP and blinky, at once.

We’ve got Oblahmi and Hair P on war crimes, they have been routinely slaughtering Pakistani civilians plus they are still holding al Qaeda cut throats in Gitmo and Lord knows, after all of the whining from the last 8 years, those offenses are punishable by death, never mind impeachment.

So my question is, can we tie Pelosi to the war crimes and get a threefer?

She, did, after all, vote for war funding.

I’ll hang up and listen for your answers.

Mike

February 23rd, 2009
5:58 pm

Just remember:

If you are a Democrat, it is the Republicans’ fault.

If you are a Republican, it is the Democrats’ fault.

See, I have just summarized the next 80 posts (without the obligatory name calling). No need to thank me.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

February 23rd, 2009
6:01 pm

On the extreme bias and revision side of things, ajc.com has an upper left corner propaganda piece that explains away President Obama’s troubling smoking addition. The paper calls him a “chipper”, ie and infrequent social smoker, when it is well known that he is a chain smoker. To the AJC gang, if you say it long and loud enough sooner or later it becomes true (if only in your own mind.)

@@

February 23rd, 2009
6:09 pm

A religious leader within the Islamic faith is an:

ayatollah

a caliph

an imam,

or a mullah?

Nope! Reuters calls them something entirely different….

Malian security forces are holding an Islamist —–>preacher<—– suspected of involvement in the abduction of four European hostages claimed by al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), Reuters reported Feb. 23.

Words matter.

Why just yesterday Reuters had an article whereby Amnesty International accused our school children (on playgrounds) and the american citizenry (in their homes) of manufacturing munitions by which Israel could attack Palestinians.

(ISH)

Jay

February 23rd, 2009
6:09 pm

Damn, Byll, you’re onto us…

Midori

February 23rd, 2009
6:13 pm

shhhh, Jay!!

Next you’ll teach him our secret handshake, and lend him our secret decoder ring!!

getalife

February 23rd, 2009
6:16 pm

Mike,

Both parties suk.

From an Independent point of view.

Class of '98

February 23rd, 2009
6:33 pm

Hey Mike,

In about 1944, Nazis hated Brits and Brits hated Nazis.

Does that mean neither of them was in the right?

I guess you think riding the fence is noble. I disagree.

@@

February 23rd, 2009
6:34 pm

What the heck do we have to do around here to end the italics?

Nothing after Feb. 23 in my 6:09 was set to be in italics.

CommunistAJC

February 23rd, 2009
6:35 pm

Midori,
you should really go back to your earlier postings on Jays GOP blog. A lot of people don’t like you very much.

Brad Steal

February 23rd, 2009
6:37 pm

Jay,
Love your columns, comments and commentary. But somehow you have become the pied piper of wingnut retards. The group of loudmouth shills that lives to condemn for your every word is impressive. I have not seen this type of hate since Clinton. God’s speed my good man.
B. Steal

NRB

February 23rd, 2009
6:39 pm

Yep.

The Democrats, with the aid of all liberal newspapers like the AJC, are trumpeting the death of capitalism via a self fulfilling prophecy.

When left wing rags and lame-brained liberal politicians keep yelling about how the sky is falling, the masses will react to this by liquidating portfolios, and not spending any money.

This is all an excuse to force the US into a socialist system.

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
6:39 pm

I like Midori.

Class of '98

February 23rd, 2009
6:40 pm

You haven’t seen this kind of hate since Clinton? Have you been in a coma for the last eight years?

GodHatesTrash, Superstar

February 23rd, 2009
6:40 pm

Midori, the knuckledraggers don’t like you.

Did you poop in their peanuts? Bad girl!

DB, Gwinnettian

February 23rd, 2009
6:42 pm

@@ @ 5.52, it’s the extra “@” sign. Gives your posts Teh Slanties.

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
6:45 pm

All hail the new socialist order and a special thanks to our special super secret most covert agents, Alan Greenspan and Phil Gramm. There were others but these two deserve special recognition. They have earned the Royal Order of the Soros medal for they helped bring down a banking system in a fashion that had George standing in awe. He actually felt humbled. I think a book is in order.

RB from Gwinnett

February 23rd, 2009
6:48 pm

Jay, I was going to post the same thing as Wyld. You really don’t get that we the people see through the silly ploys you and your liberal media bretheren use to manipulate the ignorant masses, do you? Why don’t you answer this question on behalf of the AJC, Jay. “Is Obama an occasional smoker who fits the definition of a “chipper” or is he an addicted smoker who smokes more than a pack a day?” Please support your reply with something more than a link to your own paper.

Also, your attempt to downplay the further collapse of the stock market today with a silly video seems on par with the story above. Somehow, I don’t believe for a second you would have treated a similar decline while Bush was in office with the same attempt at humor.

I’ll look forward to your Obama question reply, Jay.

Mrs. Godzilla

February 23rd, 2009
6:50 pm

Midori

I draw the line at Jay teaching them our secret handshake.
It cannot be allowed!

By, the way….mm…..you’re out of the pool.

As we watch the Bush recession slide perilously close to the Bush depression, we know the audacity of hope will get us through the mess they left behind. At the end, is a stronger better America.

We’re holding on and not afraid.

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
6:53 pm

Mrs. G,

Are you out there. I was just wondering if you had been able to uncover any more info on that electronic run on the banks that the fed had to stop in order to save our financial system from complete collapse. I still have not seen anything else on that story.

Class of '98

February 23rd, 2009
6:53 pm

You might be holding on, but if you’re not afraid, you haven’t been listening to your messiah much lately.

He’s been trying to scare everyone witless for weeks. I think he gets paid based on how many times he can say “crisis” everyday.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 23rd, 2009
6:57 pm

“But somehow you have become the pied piper of wingnut retards. ”

New to newspaper “Comments” threads, are you?

@@

February 23rd, 2009
6:58 pm

In order to win the election, Obama had to put everyone into a state of depression. Now he can’t seem to stop it…..the real thing, that is.

Midori

February 23rd, 2009
6:59 pm

oh noessss!!!

taxpayer, sir trash, mrs. g. — next they might *gasp* GOOGLE ME!!!

AIEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DB, Gwinnettian

February 23rd, 2009
7:01 pm

Midori, all I know is, I sure hope you didn’t say anything unkind to white supremacists over at Creative Loafing.

That’s, like, morally equivalent to child torture.

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
7:12 pm

Midori,

The scary part is how much information is out there for the googling. I googled myself and found info. I was absolutely astounded at the amount of information out there on “taxpayer”. :lol:

Paul

February 23rd, 2009
7:17 pm

Mike 5:58

You broke the code. Now have fun and blame BOTH!

AJC/DNC Management

[[So my question is, can we tie Pelosi to the war crimes and get a threefer?]]

Sure! Aiding and abetting in torture. She was briefed on waterboarding and other associated tortures even before we waterboarded Khalid. Her excuse was it was not done, just planned, and besides, Pres Bush’s lawyers told her it was legal. Then you get her to testify and use her own statements about how the legal opinions were neither binding nor correct.

There, you got your threefer.

Jay

(Midori at 6:13) [[Next you’ll teach him our secret handshake, and lend him our secret decoder ring!!]]

Trust me on this: when she breaks out the handcuffs, RUN!

Jay

February 23rd, 2009
7:18 pm

RB, I neither know nor care whether Obama smokes more than a pack a day. It makes no difference whatsoever to me. For the record, though, I just looked and the most recent stories published on the topic date to December, quoting Obama on Meet the Press to the effect that he has mostly but not entirely quit, that he occasionally falls off the wagon.
By the definitions in the AJC story, that would make him a chipper, I guess, although I never heard the term before. If you have evidence to the contrary, cite it.
But really, your allegation that the media would twist or hide the truth about such an inconsequential matter on behalf of some political agenda says a lot more about you than it does about the media. You’re fixated, determined to find evidence where none exists.
The same is true of your reaction to the video. I’ve posted repeatedly about how bad things are getting (See “Some days, the economic news just stuns you”, Feb. 18). But a small attempt at humor is transmuted in your brain into still further evidence of the commie media plot. I could say the sky was blue and you would read it as a political statement about blue states and red states and complain that at dawn and dusk the sky is sometimes red and my failure to note the occasionally red sky proves my bias.
Man…. you guys are crazy sometimes.

Ima Stock Dummy

February 23rd, 2009
7:27 pm

The majority of American investors have proven over and over again they are dumb as a sack of rocks by buyimg high and panicking and selling low. They continue this stupidity today (and Friday). I picked up a stock at $10.50 Fri and it closed at $11.55 today.

So, sell dummies sell,sell,sell. Dumb investors deserve to lose!!!

Paul

February 23rd, 2009
7:30 pm

oops, I just did a faux pas (no, for some of you, that isn’t a Fox thing). Didn’t comment on the topic at hand before diverting –

the video, like the real thing: you don’t think it can get worse, and it does. Day after day after day.

I’ll offer this about the stock market: of course it’s falling. “Investor” confidence? How about the confidence of traders who stand to make or lose short-term? What do we expect the reaction to be when it’s apparent there will be more accountability, more regulation because they proved they couldn’t be trusted unsupervised? What do you expect them to do when they realize all their losses won’t be covered, there will be short-term investor pain? What on earth is the normal reaction when a child who’s used to doing what they want and getting away with it is told ‘no’? Or who gets themselves in a really screwed up situation and they hear, for the first time, “I’ll help you get thru this. With conditions. And it won’t be what you might want to serve your own interests. But it’ll be good for us all. And by the way, even you don’t have anything better to offer.”

Midori

February 23rd, 2009
7:31 pm

Taxpayer: Beware the google!! FLEE!! FLEE!! Run for your life!!!

Paul: You’ve been getting lax lately. I’m gonna have to visit the locksmith :)

DB: That is entirely too funny!!”!

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
7:31 pm

Well, they do have a book on it you know. Selling Stocks for Dummies

Paul

February 23rd, 2009
7:35 pm

Midori

Of course I’ve been lax. I happen to eat plenty of fiber, thank you very much.

But now it’s off to fix some supper. Then 24 and Heroes. But I’ll be back in later.

Oh, if you want a really simple dish that’s smashing – really quick (after the prep work) – sauteed pork tenderloin slices in a balsamic cherry glaze. If you’re interested I’ll pass it on when things are slow.

RW-(the original)

February 23rd, 2009
7:36 pm

@@,

In your 6:09 the code to end italics doesn’t come until right after the (ISH). If you right click on the page and then select “view source” you can scroll down and see your comment and its format.

NRB

February 23rd, 2009
7:38 pm

Jay said:

“But really, your allegation that the media would twist or hide the truth about such an inconsequential matter on behalf of some political agenda says a lot more about you than it does about the media.”

Oh really?

How about the media hiding the fact that Obama wants to send 17000 troops to Afghanastan? Did the liberal-media whine and cry about how “the surge won’t work”?

How about lack of uproar when The Obama administration, siding with the Bush White House, contended Friday that detainees in Afghanistan have no constitutional rights? I mean, all we heard about for 8 years was how many rights that terrorists have, and now all of a sudden when Obama agrees that they don’t, you liberals are silent?

I mean seriously, Jay, anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that the mainstream media is liberal and thinks Oblahma and Democrats walk on water.

You guys give him a pass for everything, which is fine, because the airwaves are still free to air the truth. For now at least.

Arguing against liberal media bias is like trying to insist that 1+1 doesn’t equal 2. And it’s embarrasing watching you try to argue otherwise, Jay.

AJC/DNC Management

February 23rd, 2009
7:43 pm

Is this guy a dimwit or what?

President Obama launched a bipartisan effort today to restore fiscal discipline to the nation, pledging to cut the budget deficit in half in four years and reinstate pay-as-you-go rules to prevent the government from spending money it does not have.

“Fiscal discipline,” hahahahahahahaha, oh my.

The only way this klown will ever achieve fiscal discipline is when the United States Treasury has no more ink left to print money with.

ew

Mike

February 23rd, 2009
7:51 pm

Jay –

I find it bizarre that you are more offended by a fairly civil criticism of perceived media bias than you are of the bigoted hate speech that has become the norm on this site.

As I said before, you could probably greatly expand your the universe of posters to your blog if you moderated the vile bigotry a bit more. You would certainly raise the level of discourse. You might lose the patronage of bigots like GodHatesTrash and some others, but I’m not certain how much of a loss that would be.

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
7:55 pm

Well, we are long overdue to make that next big step toward that time. You know the one. It’s that time that comes later, near the end. It’s the time of the mark because it’s a sign of the times. We need to convert to a cashless society and we need to start, in the beginning of the end, by simply using our Social Security number. Then, we’ll get the government to work with the banks to issue debit cards to everyone. The debit card can then be used for things like unemployment benefits and such and eventually they can be used for all transactions. Then, we can move on to even simpler means that can be scanned simply by swiping or passing near a detector and detectors can be placed everywhere and anywhere — at each doorway, even the bathroom door…in your own home. Scary, huh. Not to worry though. That kind of stuff only happens in the movies. It’s just a joke. See. I’m laughing now. HA…Ha… … …ha. Where’s my hat. Has anyone seen my hat. It’s the shiny one.

AJC/DNC Management

February 23rd, 2009
7:55 pm

If Oblahmi came out tomorrow and announced that he thinks all democrats are brain dead dunces and mouth breathers who believe every lie that emerges from his mouth is the truth, it would be the first honest thing he said in years.

Does this guy ever tell the truth?

Chad Harris

February 23rd, 2009
7:55 pm

It looks like this session of Bookman University is shovel ready as usual, musing on the grim and dim INHERITANCE OF THE PARADE OF HORRIBLES FROM BUSHIE AND THE GANG.

We’re havin’ stress tests now–not the ones looking for ST elevation or depression, but the ones looking for the value of toxic assets and whether the instrument holders are going to be badly screwed.

Failing Presidential Candidate Piush fake name “Bobby” (ain’t no Bobby’s in Amar where the name came from) the slum dog Contrarianaire got smacked down in person by Obama–nailing him, Sonny Purdue (he of the 6 million wasted on Tamiflu which does zippo against H5N1), Barbour, and Sanford continuiung to be the slumdogs of no focusing on much less than 1% in expansions of unimployment insurance.

States which are on the brink of insolvency like JawJaw (where most of you is), South Carolina, and Missisippi, would probably lose big.

Instead of Yammering, Purdue and the legislature need to put out on websites and paper precisely what they view the upsides and downsides are for each and every component of the Stim package. There is no escuse for the Jaw Jaw legislature not to get this done this week, because it’s going to take time to get the stim money if it’s accepted.

The legislatures of course can override the states, but I absolutely would parse every molecule of what the upsides and downsides for my state are before getting behind it or opposing it. That’s the job of the legislatures as well as the governors.

The media, AJC included has a lot of columns about Obama’s packages and bills, but has yet to explicitly spell out precisely what the stimulus package would mean for Georgia.

As far as Wall Street freefall, everyday’s Dow, Nasdaq, and every other index are just snapshots and one prism of the Bush recession INHERITANCE did someone mention italicism? dynamics. What about the people who actually hold the securities instruments? Will they get screwed?

Geithner, he of the NY Federal Reserve bank failure, has been way too friendly to the banks and neglected main street significantly. Geithner’s DNA is always to codle the failing bankers who are dead banks walking and to create toxic zombies of many of them.

The Housing part of the stim isn’t going to significantly change the bleak housing landscape.

Carl Rove flashed a bird towards his appearance at HJC scheduled for today. It’s time for the House to invoke inherent contempt and arrest his rolly polly behind. Obama now has the one additional week he asked for to broker a deal between the Bushies and HJC regarding testimony on the US Attorney scandal. The OLC team will be confirmed Wednesday afternoon. The deadline for them to decide how the Obama administration is going to stand on HJC’s fight to compel Rove to testify has now been moved to March 4, giving the OLC Bush Haters time to get in place and get their act together.

Grin of the day was loser and fired HP CEO Carley Fiorina saying in a speech about the banks “when somebody takes $40 million a year for failure, we cannot defend that.” Buh buh Carley–that’s precisely what you did after losing 25% of the jobs and multimillions at HP and getting your butt canned.

John Thain has been ordered to testify about the millions he paid in bonuses at Merril Lynch before they were absorbed by Skank of America in a motion Coumo won today.

GodHatesTrash, Superstar

February 23rd, 2009
8:21 pm

I don’t hate ignorant whiners. I find them pitiful and disgusting and pathetic, yes, but I don’t hate them.

Jay

February 23rd, 2009
8:21 pm

NRB, it is possible to make an intelligent argument that media bias exists. I’ve seen it done. However, it is not possible to do so when your alleged evidence is the posting of a pratfall video and an apparently accurate story about Obama’s smoking habit. That’s a wild overinterpretation of evidence.

As is your claim that the media “hid” Obama’s decision to send another 17,000 troops to Afghanistan. You render your claim ludicrous if that’s your evidence for it.

NRB

February 23rd, 2009
8:30 pm

Jay,

it isnt really about the pratfall video, per se, moreso it’s about the constant nit-picking about anything republican, as if the Dems walk on water.

It’s not just you, it’s the entire liberal media complex that is guilty.

And the media did indeed “bury” Obama’s call for a “surge”.

I dare you to try and tell with a straight face that there is absolutely zero difference in how the media handled Bush’s Iraq surge versus how they’ve handled OBama’s Afghanastan surge. Did you write any columns talking about how “the surge won’t work?”

Didn’t think so.

Did Sean Penn go on the Oscars last night and berate the president for sending more troops in harms way, or did he just yak about how eloquent Obama is?

Didn’t think so.

TnGelding

February 23rd, 2009
8:30 pm

AJC/DNC Management

February 23rd, 2009
5:33 pm

The banks were up today.

Ok, the sell-off has my attention now. Looks like Tiny Tim might have to go.

Mike

February 23rd, 2009
8:34 pm

Who gives a crap who Trash hates. He is a vile bigot.

PJ

February 23rd, 2009
8:35 pm

Anyone who is keeping up with the trends of this nation will know that the caution being shown on Wall Street is the same that is occurring throughout America in homes and businesses alike. People are afraid to spend and invest and until we see that things are approving no one is willing to risk their cash. Investment houses, banks and an over crowded housing market are the main culprits of our economic problems and until these entities come in line we will continue in this down fall. Haters can blame the Gov’t all they want for this crisis but no one told the loan writers to forgo income requirements in the purchase of homes. That was due to the greed of many and the illusions of the stupid that this kind of activity was bound to crash.

As an Apartment community Manager I saw too many verification requests that asked for applicants for home purchases rental history and I knew not only knew what these people could or could not afford but also the risks all involved were taking due to their poor payment history’s. No matter what I reported to the lenders nor the counseling I tried to give to the resident did anyone listen to me. This happened not only to me but throughout the apartment industry. We saw first hand what was about to take place and told many a resident that I would see them back in two or three years because I knew they could not make it. the Residents felt I was trying to hold them back and the lenders forged ahead in their greed. I truly don’t know who were the worst in this situation.

By the way for those of you who don’t know (and I’m sure that is the majority of you) back in 2003, long before the Dem’s were in change of anything in Washington, the Section 8 division of housing started encouraging people with vouches to purchase homes though the housing authority. Mind you these are people, mostly single women with children, who could not afford full rent of a home or apartment. Of course there was a catch that after about five years they lost their housing voucher status and had to pay for the home purchase on their own. Another disaster waiting to happen. So if there is anywhere where the Gov’t went wrong it was definitely in this situation. What could the Bush administration been thinking? That’s a question I have an answer to but I would only be opening another can of worms.

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
8:39 pm

Even I was able to find the info on the 17000 troops and I’m just a retiree with no political connections and no aspirations to acquire any and no reporting experience. However, that USA v UBS AG case file sure got yanked off the Internet in a hurry. Someone wants that buried and if you’ve got the money, yo ucan make things happen, fast.

fed up

February 23rd, 2009
8:42 pm

PJ you make some good points but I’m not sure you understand or know why the banks were ignoring payment history, etc. Part of it was the government’s fault, not just the greedy lenders.

Chad Harris

February 23rd, 2009
8:42 pm

The surge was a systemic political failure. It was to buy time for political decisions and it failed. There is no significant military stability and suicide bombings are up. The “surge” didn’t work except to get more Iraqis and Amnericans killed and the American lives lost there have been total wastes.

The media is not controlled by liberals; it is owned and controled by Right Wingers.

The Russians had 170,000 troops in Afghanstian and they got their butts kicked. Troop numbers aren’t going to be effective there and we have squandered the troops we have making them serve 4 tours in many cases without paying the bonuses they are mandated by law.

Jay

February 23rd, 2009
8:43 pm

So NRB, let me get this straight:
Sean Penn is your evidence of media bias?

NRB

February 23rd, 2009
8:44 pm

Taxpayer,

that’s my point.

You had to find it.

It wasn’t on the front page of the AJC with all the Op-Ed idiots demonizing the surge.

It wasn’t a Luckovich cartoon showing American troops being slaughtered in Afghanastan by the boatload, while a devil-horned Obama caricuature laughed on with dollar bills falling out of his pockets.

The cast of The View aren’t whining and crying about it.

Code pink isn’t clogging up California highways in protest.

Sending troops to war is okay if you’re a Democrat, but if you’re a Republican “it’s a war for oil, and evil”.

Yeah, no liberal hypocrisy here folks. Move along.

AJC/DNC Management

February 23rd, 2009
8:47 pm

TN: Did you see how GM, even after taking bail out money, is tossing around the idea of bankruptcy?

Think banks.

You do know how much stockholders get in Chapter 11 cases don’t you?

NRB

February 23rd, 2009
8:47 pm

Jay, for the third time, my evidence of media bias is how the liberal media handled Bush’s Iraq surge versus how they’ve handled Obama’s call for 17000 troops.

I also pointed out that the Obama adminstration declared on friday that prisoners of war are NOT protected under the constitution.

Bush had done exactly the same two things above and was demonized by journalists and TV news anchors and the liberal Hollywood elite for years straight.

Today, we’re treated to an article on how the president smokes a cig or two to calm his nerves.

Gimme a break, please.

rcs

February 23rd, 2009
8:47 pm

the 17,000 troop deployment was on page A3 of the AJC on Wednesday, Feb 18. there was no attempt to hide it.

NRB

February 23rd, 2009
8:49 pm

Yep, RCS. And when it was Bush it was FRONT PAGE every day with a NEGATIVE tone and a thousand op-ed articles on how it was a bad idea.

Oblahma does it, during a huge economic recession no less, and it’s on page three behind a cutesy article on his smoking habits.

I’m not going to point it out step by step again, use your brains, people.

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
8:49 pm

NRB,

I don’t subscribe to any newspapers but I seem to recall the troop story being the equivalent of “front page” on the Internet for a while and you can still find it out there.

oldmac

February 23rd, 2009
8:49 pm

I guess when “the sisters” need to go to the markets for some $$$ to expand their empire and no one is willing to invest because the markets are broken, you can share that “funny video” with them. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

BN

Midori

February 23rd, 2009
8:49 pm

NRB,

you look to the View, Code Pink and Mike Luckovich for news?

AJC/DNC Management

February 23rd, 2009
8:50 pm

The recent trip to Iraq by President Nicolas Sarkozy of France was a good omen for Iraq and also for America. Sarkozy was candid about his aims. “I came to show France’s willingness to take part in the economic development of Iraq, in the rehabilitation of its infrastructure,” he said. Left unsaid was a desire to make sure the French oil company Total – which once held contracts with Saddam Hussein – will be given consideration as Iraq begins writing new contracts with foreign oil companies.

This ulterior commercial motive is precisely what makes Sarkozy’s Iraqi sojourn a positive sign. It says that government analysts have begun to see the light at the end of the Iraqi tunnel. Their interest confirms that security has improved markedly and that Iraqis are starting to resolve their differences by political means. Sarkozy’s visit means that France sees Iraq as a sound investment opportunity.

duh

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
8:52 pm

Well, actually, I do subscribe to our local paper but it is truly local. They don’t exactly get into national and international stuff unless it’s via a local opinion piece or letter to the editor sort of thing. They do have an internet site though.

Chad Harris

February 23rd, 2009
8:52 pm

Can anyone translate this Joycian Bloomesque stream of consciousness into English?

NRB

February 23rd, 2009
8:44 pm
Taxpayer,

that’s my point.

You had to find it.

It wasn’t on the front page of the AJC with all the Op-Ed idiots demonizing the surge.

It wasn’t a Luckovich cartoon showing American troops being slaughtered in Afghanastan by the boatload, while a devil-horned Obama caricuature laughed on with dollar bills falling out of his pockets.

The cast of The View aren’t whining and crying about it.

Code pink isn’t clogging up California highways in protest.

Sending troops to war is okay if you’re a Democrat, but if you’re a Republican “it’s a war for oil, and evil”.

Yeah, no liberal hypocrisy here folks. Move along.

NRB

February 23rd, 2009
8:53 pm

Midori, my point was typical liberal hypocrisy. Republicans sending troops=bad. Democrats sending troops=good.

Regarding the media itself, I’ve already covered the difference in how they reported and commnented on Bush versus the Obama kid-gloves.

So how do you liberals feel about Obama deciding that terrorists are not protected under the constitution? Find a way to blame Bush yet?

Midori

February 23rd, 2009
8:53 pm

good luck with that, Chad.

It gave me an awful headache.

Those dots just ain’t connection, know what I mean?

Midori

February 23rd, 2009
8:54 pm

ok, NRB – let’s take this one question at a time.

1. So how do you liberals feel about Obama deciding that terrorists are not protected under the constitution?

Huh? examples, please.

2. Find a way to blame Bush yet?

Blame Bush for what?

NRB

February 23rd, 2009
8:59 pm

Here’s your example, I find it interesting that you don’t even know about it…which only proves my point more:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5inrssFARYO4US7mMu27sqB9tc7WwD96FKURG0

” The Obama administration, siding with the Bush White House, contended Friday that detainees in Afghanistan have no constitutional rights.”

Taxpayer

February 23rd, 2009
9:00 pm

When in Afghanistan, do as the Afghanis do. Do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight, get down tonight. Anyway, that must have been the reason that Viagra was such a big hit. Make love, not Warlords.

NRB

February 23rd, 2009
9:04 pm

So where’s all the unbiased articles and op-ed pieces about the Afghanastan “surge” under Obama? About how it will bankrupt us? About how we’re sending minorities to die in a white man’s war? Anyone have an answer where all the outrage went? LMAO.

Mike

February 23rd, 2009
9:05 pm

Gallup’s 2008 poll on the American public’s perception of the media sheds some light on the bias question:

“This year, 47% perceive the news media to be too liberal and 13% perceive them to be too conservative, with only 36% seeing media coverage as “about right.”

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110590/Americans-More-Tuned-Than-Ever-Political-News.aspx

G

February 23rd, 2009
9:07 pm

Nationalize all banks that are Too Big To Fail. Declare their stocks and bonds worthless. Fire all senior management and replace them with middle level managers that work for the US government at a good salary.

The US government would end up making a profit if this were done, and it would take care of the entire credit problem (they wouldn’t be investing in credit default swaps).

And that’s the thing that scares the plutocrats the most; the knowledge that people would realize that the public system works MUCH better than the private system has proven to.

Chad Harris

February 23rd, 2009
9:07 pm

National and international coverage at AJC as to news articles are all imported from other papers or wire services. Sandy Schwartz and apparently the editorial board believe that it is not necessary to have any Cox employees report it.

Midori

February 23rd, 2009
9:07 pm

NRB,

It’s not that “I didn’t know about it”.

You thought processes, via your writing, leaves one dazed and confused.

It’s really hard getting to your point, as you wrap everything around your distaste and irrational fear of all things liberal.

My take on Obama’s decision as you posted above is it’s just one more problem that he inherited from your sainted G.W. Bush.

I don’t have a problem with Obama’s decision – at least not yet anyway.

it’s too early for that.

Dave R

February 23rd, 2009
9:08 pm

Saying the media isn’t liberal is like saying that Chad Harris doesn’t bark at the moon every night.

Of course, having 15 of 18 Iraqi benchmarks completed through mid-2008 (following the surge) is proof positive that the surge was, in Chad Harris’ fantasy world, a “systemic political failure”.

PJ

February 23rd, 2009
9:09 pm

To: fedup – Make no mistake, I completely understand why payment histories and income for housing purchases were ignored and it was greed. The gov’t stepped in to stop blockbusting, unfair lending practices and discrimination and the lenders took full advantage and made loop holes in their decisions to make huge profits. When they saw that jumbling loans could and selling them that they could make $100,000.000.00 a month they got more greedy and started approving more of these bad loans until they were making up to over $500,000,000.00 a month. This kind of practice was bound to fail evenutally and that’s when smaller loan institutions stated selling out to larger ones until the bubble burst.

And to all those who wonder why the current surge wasn’t as widely reported as front page news and the leading story on TV maybe because the number one story is still the economy. IT’S THE ECOMONY STUPUD!

Midori

February 23rd, 2009
9:09 pm

Dave R,

are you the moon?

the only people I see Chad “barking” at are deluded, misguided, misinformed conservatives.

Chad Harris

February 23rd, 2009
9:12 pm

It’s really a shame that almost every wingnut here posts stream of consciousness ignorance. The Bookman’s wingnuts who write jibberish like Management, Dave R, NRB, and Commie AJC are so busy cursing the winners that they fail to read anything as far as I can tell and that’s a habit acquired early on in their limited schooling.

Dave R

February 23rd, 2009
9:20 pm

So I guess the whole “15 of 18 Iraqi benchmarks” thing is something President Hope & Change made happen in his first 45 days? And the fact that less than half of them were met BEFORE the surge is just a coincidence?

What part of REALITY do you people not understand?

TnGelding

February 23rd, 2009
9:26 pm

AJC/DNC Management

February 23rd, 2009
8:47 pm

Does anybody know how bad it is yet? I’m too worried to be playing the blame game.

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

February 23rd, 2009
9:28 pm

Jay, Jay, Jay, “an inconsequential matter?” We are talking about the POTUS modeling a deadly habit for our youth. If they think he is cool or, as the youngsters say, “hep”, then they will thnik smoking is cool. More people smoke, more people die. One only need look at the way that which President Clinton defined as not a sex act has become as casual among teenagers as a handshake. I do not think POTUS’ lack of personal control is an “inconsequential matter.”

Chad Harris

February 23rd, 2009
9:32 pm

Dave R– (Legal resident con law scholar)

What’s up with the clash between HJC and Obama DOJ?

How ’bout that OLC confirmation on Wednesday of 3 of the most pre-eminent constitutional law scholars and Bush haters in the country? Way kuell ain’t it?

Did the D.C. Circuit give a week to Obama DOJ to file their brief to help Rove or get the OLC settled in?

What’s the connection between the D.C. Circuit’s additional week of extension for Obama DOJ in their potential battle against John Conyer’s HJC lawyers if the House again holds Rove, Miers and Bolten in contempt. They have way more Dem votes to do it this time, and they got it done before the elections last time in the 110th Congress so it’s what the NBA calls a slam dunk.

What it looks like is that HJC will certainly hold the 3 in contempt because it’s a big Pelossi priority and they did it last time.

The second they do by statutue they can invoke inherent contempt and arrest all 3.

Since you’re the resident con law scholar (self appointed) Dave R. this should be right in your wheelhouse. It could be a constitutional confrontation between the Dem White House and the Dem House Judiciary Committee which would be the first time in American legal history that happened. Before it was House Dems against Bush in the DC Circuit–now the two parties are Obama DOJ and the Executive Branch and Congress.

NRB

February 23rd, 2009
9:32 pm

“My take on Obama’s decision as you posted above is it’s just one more problem that he inherited from your sainted G.W. Bush.”

Well at least you answered my question before: blamed Bush yet?

Of course you don’t have a problem with it. You’re die-hard liberal, like all of the entire news media.

Obama get’s a pass, because otherwise, it would be racist.

Dave R

February 23rd, 2009
9:34 pm

And how can someone who is, according to the Beautiful People out there, so intelligent – do something so dumb as smoking?

“You can tell a Harvard man; you just can’t tell him anything”.

fed up

February 23rd, 2009
9:34 pm

PJ my take on that is perhaps the “unfair lending practices” weren’t so unfair after all. They had lending practices that were needed in order to assure (at least better assure that the person(s) could afford the houses they were buying. The foreclosures weren’t anywhere near the level they now are when people had to actually have proof that they could afford the houses they were buying. Those so called NINJA loans were greed on the part of the lenders backed by government sanctions.

Dave R

February 23rd, 2009
9:39 pm

Chad, if I were ever to receive a Congressional subpoena, the first thing I’d do is tell the good legislator who sent it exactly where he could stick it. I’d then tell him or her that if they want to try to compel me to testify in front of them, they can simply “Bring in on”. I would then ignore the subpoena and challenge it’s Constitutionality in court.

Congress has gotten a little too “uppity”, in my estimation, and needs to be knocked down a peg or two. I hope Rove challenges them as I would.

Dave R

February 23rd, 2009
9:42 pm

Oh, and I’m the resident Constitutional scholar, not the bastardized Constitutional law you like to hold up as “Constitutional”. They are two very different things. Kinda like the “This is your brain – this is your brain on drugs” commercial.

AmVet

February 23rd, 2009
9:44 pm

Dave R, you had better look REAL closely at your statement that 15 of 18 benchmarks have been met. It is a false statement.

And congrats chickenhawks, chest pounders and bloodlusters.

We now have 4,250 Americans KIA’d needlessly in that clusterf&ck of a botched invasion/occupation.

Go ahead. Put another support the troops bumper sticker on your vehicle, neo-cons and BushCo apologists.

Bring our guys home. NOW.

fed up

February 23rd, 2009
9:45 pm

Congress has been a little too uppity for a while now. It’s past time for term limits (I know off topic) but if the president has term limits there’s absolutely no reason why Congress shouldn’t have them. A lot of people will say vote them out but you’ll always have people say “not my Congress person he/she is really good”. Well we’ve had some really good presidents and that didn’t keep them in office beyond their two terms.

RB from Gwinnett

February 23rd, 2009
9:46 pm

Jay, you’ve GOT to be kidding me. Your paper posts a story claiming Obama is a part time “few cigaretts a day” smoker and the best support you can come up with is he was on a talking head show 2 months ago saying he was still trying to quit? I asked you for evidence to support he was a “chipper” and I get a “he said he’s trying to quit”. It’s exactly crap like that, Jay, that makes people question your integrity and that of the news media. If you can’t answer the question, what are you trying to hide?

I’d address the rest of the crap you posted about media bias, but I think NRB has pretty much covered that without a single intelligent response from you. As an observer of that conversation, I can’t tell if you’re purposly trying to avoid acknowledging his points or you really aren’t smart enough to get it.

Jay, if you really expect those of us who read your posts and have a brain to buy your attempt to paint yourself as fair minded with respect to the way you treated Bush and the way you’re treating Obama, you’re delusional. Don’t kid yourself, Jay.

NRB

February 23rd, 2009
9:49 pm

“Go ahead. Put another support the troops bumper sticker on your vehicle, neo-cons and BushCo apologists.

Bring our guys home. NOW.”

Don’t worry. You voted for change, right? Obama is taking 17,000 of them out of Iraq.

Problem is, they’re going to Afghanastan, not home.

Change you can believe in. Liberal, anti-American, whiner.

AmVet

February 23rd, 2009
9:51 pm

NRB, are you always so frickin’ dense, or is it just an act?

NRB

February 23rd, 2009
10:00 pm

See.

You cannot logically respond.

Obama is doing the exact same thing that you’re bashing Bush over. But you completely ignore it because he’s The Messiah.

Unreal.

Mike

February 23rd, 2009
10:03 pm

AmVet –

Don’t forget to call Obama a chickenhawk too. By his own admission, he was a sipporter of the Afghan War from the beginning and didn’t serve at all. Might as well include Jay while you are at it.

Mike

February 23rd, 2009
10:06 pm

““My take on Obama’s decision as you posted above is it’s just one more problem that he inherited from your sainted G.W. Bush.”

Let’s be honest here and look at Obama’s own words:

“And so, a little more than a year after that bright September day, I was in the streets of Chicago again, this time speaking at a rally in opposition to war in Iraq. I did not oppose all wars, I said. I was a strong supporter of the war in Afghanistan.”

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/01/the_war_we_need_to_win.php

HJC

February 23rd, 2009
10:07 pm

I hate to see President Obama make a TV appearance on the economy when Stock Market is trading, its cost me $12,400.00 last two weeks.

NRB

February 23rd, 2009
10:11 pm

So chickenhawk Oblahma ain’t sending the troops home, he’s sending them to Afghanastan instead. So when they start coming home in bodybags by the thousands, will it still be Bush’s fault, somehow?

I’m just curious.

I’m sure Jay will write plenty of columns protesting the war. I’m positive that the libs will be frothing at the mouth at Obama denying war criminals their “constitutional rights”. Right? I mean, since media bias is such a myth and all…

AmVet

February 23rd, 2009
10:14 pm

NRB, how exactly does one respond logically to such an illogical twit?

To wit, I voted against Obama, you presumptuous moron. And in my opinion, his sending more GIs to another shiitehole is utter folly, and what I refer to as Quagmire, Part Deux.

Let me guess, swift boater, you’ve never worn the uniform of this country. Or enlisted during time of war like this “liberal” did.

And there is one thing I can assure you, you Bush bootlicker, if you ever made the mistake of calling me an anti-American to my face, you would have a few less teeth…