A GPS reading on where we are in the political landscape

The Fox News poll numbers:

Obama Job Approval:

60% Approve, 26% Disapprove

Congressional Job Approval
All: 39% Approve, 50% Disapprove
Dems: 46% approve, 45% disapprove
Reps: 34% approve, 56% disapprove

Obama Favorable Rating
68% Favorable, 25% Unfavorable

How confident are you that the new Obama administration will be able to make significant positive change for the country?

    64% Confident, 33% not confident

That 34 percent approval rating for congressional Republicans is interesting for a lot of reasons, but mainly because you see that number so often. This question and others as well, including President Bush’s approval rating and the question above about Obama’s ability to make positive change, are basically just different ways to identify the GOP base. It’s roughly about a third of the voting public.

And their problem, which they clearly haven’t solved, is how to grow beyond that number. Right now the Republicans in Congress are just playing to that 34 percent, rebuilding support within the base but meanwhile alienating most other voters.

A couple of other related numbers, the most recent I could find of this sort:

Diageo/Hotline Poll Jan. 21-24, 2009

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“Thinking about the next elections for U.S. Congress in 2010, if the elections for U.S. Congress were held today, would you be voting for the Democratic candidate or the Republican candidate?” Options rotated

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Democrat Republican Neither (vol.) Unsure
% % % %

1/21-24/09

46 22 5 27

CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Jan. 12-15, 2009

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“Do you think the country would be better off if the Republicans controlled Congress, or if the Democrats controlled Congress?”

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Democrats Republicans Neither (vol.) Same (vol.) Unsure
% % % % %

1/12-15/09

56 31 10 3 1

101 comments Add your comment

AJC/DNC Management

February 21st, 2009
9:03 am

“Who’s the governor of the state you live in?”

Uh, I don’t know.

“Who’s in charge of Congress?”

Uh, I don’t know.

“Name the two Senators from your State”

Uh, I don’t know.

“Is Oblahmi wonderful or what?”

Yes, duh, uh yeah.

mm

February 21st, 2009
9:19 am

Jay,

That’s what’s so laughable. They think playing to their base is going to win the next election. Nevermind the 66% that will vote against them. Damn fools.

Taxpayer

February 21st, 2009
9:19 am

Will someone give Andy the links he needs so he can contact his elected officials and tell them how much he’s in love with each of them.

Jay

February 21st, 2009
9:20 am

If that’s how you choose to make yourself feel better, Management, fine. In your world, you want to believe that only the unsuccessful and uneducated supported Obama. It’s your little security blanket protecting you from the harsh world out there, your cloak of ignorance.

But in the exit polls of some 18,000 people nationwide in November, Obama won 52-46 among those Americans with incomes above $200,000, even though he had basically promised them a tax hike.

He won 50-48 among Americans with a college degree, and by 58-40 — an 18-point margin — among those with post-grad degrees.

Taxpayer

February 21st, 2009
9:24 am

Jay,

My GPS gives latitude, longitude and altitude and it shows the US economy as being six feet under.

GodHatesTrash, Superstar

February 21st, 2009
9:27 am

The GOP does pretty well with the GED crowd though.

And they run real strong in Appalachia and the Ozarks.

Mike

February 21st, 2009
9:32 am

I personally believe that a large contributor to the low approval rankings of the GOP Congress is the manner in which they are portrayed by the partisan media. Whether it is “straight news” reporting that dishonestly portrays them as being simple obstructionists who offer no contrary plans or it is entertainment shows like SNL the portray them as cynical politicians who are rooting for America’s failure for political reasons, the GOP consistently gets hammered by the media while the Democrats are portrayed as honest and patriotic.

Considering how little most folks pay attention to the issues, how else would the polls read?

That being said, many of the partisan conservative outlets made similar comments on the Democrats in 04 and crowed about how they would be out of power forever. It looks like partisan liberals are demonstrating the same short-sightedness.

mm

February 21st, 2009
9:34 am

Yeah, wingnuts want to believe they are the educated party, but look at the crowd they attract: rural nuckledraggers and idiots that think they are better than everyone else.

GodHatesTrash, Superstar

February 21st, 2009
9:34 am

Doing some travelin’ today and tomorrow folks.

Getting out to see the country.

I know you’ll miss me, but if I get a chance I’ll check in… if not over the weekend, maybe Monday.

Ciao!

Mike

February 21st, 2009
9:36 am

In googling GodHatesTrash the other day, I learned that he lives in Vermont. Not surprising, as most hateful bigots have little to no first-hand experience with the people that they hate. As GodHatesTrash demonstrates, ignorance is the cornerstone of bigotry.

(I find it interesting that GodHatesTrash lives in among the least diverse states in the country. You would think that such a “tolerant” person would live in a state that is not 97% white.)

Mike

February 21st, 2009
9:38 am

Jay –

I again have to question your choice to let this anti-south, anti-rural bigotry be such an accepted part of your blog. This blog is becoming just a collection of hate speech.

mm

February 21st, 2009
9:40 am

When are the wingnuts going to stop the foolish talk about the “liberal” media? That myth has been debunked over and over again. I guess they need somebody, anybody, to blame for their failures.

AJC/DNC Management

February 21st, 2009
9:40 am

The 12 “Zogby” questions were duplicated, one on the Keating scandal was added for extra balance. The results from Obama voters were virtually IDENTICAL in both polls.

Here are the highlights:

35 % of McCain voters got 10 or more of 13 questions correct.

18% of Obama voters got 10 or more of 13 questions correct.

McCain voters knew which party controls congress by a 63-27 margin.

Obama voters got the “congressional control” question wrong by 43-41.

Those that got “congressional control” correct voted 56-43 for McCain.

Those that got “congressional control” wrong voted 65-35 for Obama.

I link to the original poll- http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/18/video-how-obama-got-elected/

Jay, if you want to insult the university education system in the United States, go right ahead.

I already have on many occasions.

I deal with the hatchlings from this pinko indoctrination center during their first year in the real world, and most of them are totally incapacitated and hopeless.

3 hours of studies a day with 2 month long holiday breaks does not a genius make.

Universities are renowned for being tenured with hard core pinkos, feel free to dispute this basic fact of life, many of them angry, ignorant and carrying a rather large anti American chip on their shoulder.

Now, back to the election, let’s talk about the 98% black vote for Oblahma, shouldn’t you cowards be discussing this, like Holder says?

How about the 4,000,000 Conservatives that sat out because the Republican party chose to run a pinko?

Don’t worry babe, we’ll fix our problems, but you CAN’T fix yours.

Bwahahahahaha, you’re stuck with it.

Jay

February 21st, 2009
9:42 am

Mike, it seems to me that you had to import his worst stuff from other sites because it was not being posted here.

It also seems to me that you kept posting that material even after I politely suggested that you stop doing so.

Mike

February 21st, 2009
9:47 am

mm –

What has been debunked? Show me something to back up your claim, and no, name calling is not evidence.

I believe that the media has a strong liberal bias, and here is an NPR article on a Pew poll to back up my claim:

“Confirmation for Conservatives

It found that a majority of American journalists say they are liberals. Not surprisingly this has been grist for conservatives because it confirms the impression that journalists are overwhelmingly liberal compared to the public in general.”

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1919999

Provide me a source for your claim and I will respond with more evidence for my claim. And again, name calling doesn’t count as evidence.

Taxpayer

February 21st, 2009
9:48 am

The sad part of this story is that those 34% of “we the people” probably “think” as Andy does and hence have a rock-solid mindset that Obama and all other Democrats are the reason that the US is in the shape that it is in, has been in and ever will be in (unless it’s good) and the only way to salvation is to keep cutting taxes (ideally, on a routine basis for evermore) in order to increase government revenues without it costing us anything while eliminating regulations affecting any and all businesses, eliminating wasteful handouts including but not limited to Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment compensation, and Social Security, increasing government expenditures for all things military as long as the word “Veteran” is excluded and all while just saying “charge it”. Did I miss any key points.

mm

February 21st, 2009
9:49 am

Manglement,

If your goal is to convert bloggers over to the GOP, I can tell you, you are doing quite the opposite.

If your goal is to make fun of Dems, well the jokes on you. They’re making fun of you.

Davo

February 21st, 2009
9:50 am

These polls don’t surprise me. In a way. they are the political equivalent of a variable rate mortage…you know…those things which blew up the housing bubble. Obama appears wonderful today because the the payments are so low it’s like getting something for nothing.

Wait until the payments come due. Your going to see alot of wide eyed liberals messing their pants after seeing what the got themselves into.

Ray

February 21st, 2009
9:51 am

If Mr. Wonderful won by a margin of 52/46, that means that 46% of the electorate did not approve of him. That’s far from a mandate (Reagan winning 49 states). That’s nearly half of the American people that said NO to his socialist ideas and government give away programs. You can spin a pol anyway you want with the correct questions, asking the right people or appealing to the ignorance in the responder. I see that Bookman has not broken down the education quotient for the black voter and raised a question about well informed and educated that segment of the community appears to be, regardless of their college degrees. You can try to relegate the GOP to 1/3 of the population if you want but 46% is not 33% as Bookman has stated. A different GOP candidate and veep, different economic times and a history of a successful Bush presidency would have raised that mark to well above 46% and perhaps produced a victory for the “forgotten” political party. Take away the welfare and entitlement crowd and eureka, there appears hope for us yet. Stating that the party who loses an election is relegated to the bone pile is stupid. Are you not a student of history Bookman?

Mike

February 21st, 2009
9:52 am

Jay -

Calling folks “rural nuckledraggers and idiots” isn’t anti-rural bigotry? Please.

You are very tolerant of folks who share your views. You would not be tolerant of people going after urban African Americans with this kind of name calling. The notion that bigoted commented are not being posted here just demonstrates your tolerance for bigoted comments against people who don’t share your political opinions. As these comments and your acceptance of them demonstrate, the notion that liberals are somehow more tolerant than conservatives is a farce.

Mike

February 21st, 2009
9:54 am

Well, I’ve had enough hate speech for a while. Just remember, folks: anyone who doesn’t share your views is dumb, evil or both. That’s the real recurring theme of this blog.

getalife

February 21st, 2009
9:54 am

That is impressive for a Fox News poll.

After reading Soros agreeing with Volker about a global depression with no end in sight, it is good to read some Americans are coming together in this crises.

United we stand, divided we fall.

AJC/DNC Management

February 21st, 2009
9:55 am

Wait till the great thundering herd of dunces figures out that “big screen TV” and “tank full of gas” translates from kampaign speak to mean “8 dollahs.”

Bwahahahaha, they’ll be burning your wonder boy in effigy.

mmoron: I know there is no hope for you, dullard.

And I also know the root of the problems that America faces today.

Put the two together and you’re getting close.

The 28th most educated country in the world and here the libs are, bragging on our universities.

geez.

mm

February 21st, 2009
9:56 am

Mike,

You posted someone’s opinion. I’m stating fact. On this very blog someone posted numbers of how many Dems vs. Repugs have been interviewed on talk and news shows in the last 4 weeks. The overwhelming majority was wingnuts. Look it up yourself.

mm

February 21st, 2009
10:00 am

Mike,

Why do you assume the term knuckledragger was aimed at blacks? Are you that big of a racist? It is another term for Neanderthal. Both terms fit when describing wingnuts.

@@

February 21st, 2009
10:13 am

jay, exactly how far are we into Obama’s only term?

Just like you, I used to vote democrat and still do on the local level — not much choice down here in Clayton County.

Call me a member of The U-Party. (Unaffiliated)

I’ll share a personal account with you. Last night I’m having dinner with friends who live in a predominantly black neighborhood, S.W. Atlanta. My friend is a Libertarian but votes Republican, not because he prefers, what he calls Republicrats, but because The Libertarian Party can’t seem to gain a substantial foothold among the electorate.

Anyhoo, all during the campaign he was arguing his case against socialist democrats while his neighbors/friends of mixed races were pushing Obama. His arguments were sound and theirs were based on emotion. In the end he decided to give them what they want…..he votes for Obama and lets them know. He does this knowing full well Obama would apply socialist policies that would not appeal to the more intelligent/professionals. Guess what?

Those intelligent professionals of all races are looking at where Obama has taken us in his short tenure as prez and are now more receptive to my friend’s conservative opinion. They’re now seeking his advice…..want to know more about conservative policies.

He’s lovin’ it!

Taking his own “SNAP” shots, he is.

Taxpayer

February 21st, 2009
10:27 am

I love it when Jay pulls out a poll from the most right-leaning “news” show and the neocons still refuse to see the light. That “light” that I refer to is that the Republican party is the minority party and it’s because their failed policies and philosophies have finally been recognized as the source of what ails this country. It’s over and the most powerful and most wealthy and most influential people on this planet will make sure it stays that way for the sake of their own survival. Remember, it’s a dog-eat-dog world and they are not going to be eaten. You can put that in the bank and know that it will be safe there.

Taxpayer

February 21st, 2009
10:34 am

AmVet

February 21st, 2009
10:42 am

JB, talking about reactionaries stuck in the past! I find it absolutely hysterical that the Republiconned “faithful” and animus driven BushCo apologists, keep channeling Spiro Agnew. (Who is probably third only behind Joe McCarthy and Saint Ronnie in their pantheon of idols).

Forty years on and the “blame the evil liberal media” buffoons have still learned next to nothing. (Sadly up until a couple of years ago, WAY too many Americans had not either apparently. But King George II took care of that by sinking what was left of the USS Republican Titanic.)

And clearly these fractious ostriches and dangerous fake conservatives will never, ever, ever acknowledge that their enormous and growing problems are NOT caused by the (mis)representation of their message but that it IS their message. To wit, time and time again over the past four decades they have proven themselves to be untrustworthy, lacking in honor and integrity and incapable of progressing beyond the 1950s, much less effecting good governance. And they keep getting worse with each passing year.

Look to the recent, consecutive, nationwide, electoral bloodbaths for the GOP as direct evidence.

61 – 4. Ouch.

Yet many of their less cogent nitwits still wail and bleat about how “misunderstood” they are. And pretend to have nary a clue as to why such a staggering number of voters are beyond wary of them. (Even some who are not Cadillac-driving welfare queens with nine kids, Duhng!)

The Republiconned’s present mentality (or lack thereof) as witnessed here, is that no fundamental changes whatsoever are necessary. So given that they clearly cannot possibly get their shiite together anytime soon, this is all very gratifying for most of us, as we laugh our collective arses off at them and their hemorrhaging ideology…

AJC/DNC Management

February 21st, 2009
10:44 am

Taxpayer February 21st, 2009 10:27 am I love it when Jay pulls out a poll from the most right-leaning “news” show and the neocons still refuse to see the light.

Taxpayer: Are you suggesting that opinion polls are slanted towards the ideology of the media conducting them?

Do explain.

CommunistAJC

February 21st, 2009
10:59 am

Bookman,
President Hussein has been in office for almost two months. Here’s how you think, Jay. When you watch a Penn State football game and Penn State is winning in the first quarter, I bet you turn the tv off and declare victory. Similar in the way you look at PresBo’s presidency right now. Give the president 3 more quarters and we’ll see just where his poll numbers are. Besides, since the media is in the tank for him I’ll bet it’s safe to say they will “cook the books” on his poll numbers. Anyone who believes a CBS, NYTimes or a CNN poll has a few screws loose. I’d track Rasmussen poll numbers because that poll, I believe, is usually about right.

RW-(the original)

February 21st, 2009
11:05 am

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration, siding with the Bush White House, contended Friday that detainees in Afghanistan have no constitutional rights.

In a two-sentence court filing, the Justice Department said it agreed that detainees at Bagram Airfield cannot use U.S. courts to challenge their detention. The filing shocked human rights attorneys.

More change? Although I do suspect that you could call 900 people and 34% would approve of the decision the Bush White House made while 68% would say they approve of Obama making the exact same decision.

Taxpayer

February 21st, 2009
11:05 am

Andy,

Results from opinion polls are what they are — a stratified summary of answers to select questions given to a subset of the population. A closer examination of the particular opinion poll would be needed in order to provide an estimate of bias.

Dave R

February 21st, 2009
11:20 am

The only thing wrong with polls is when a government uses them to determine policy. That moves us closer to a true democracy, rather than a Constitutional Republic. A true democracy will be the death of the United States of America.

Not that we’re not closer to our death as it is. Just look at the GPS reading on where we are as regards Karl Marx (all you libs will be needing a cold shower after this post:

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

# A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
# Abolition of all right of inheritance.
# Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
# Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
# Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
# Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
# Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
# Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equal distribution of the population over the country.
# Free education for all children in public schools.

NRB

February 21st, 2009
11:57 am

Jay, management’s points is that the average US citizen is clueless about politics, be they republican or democrat or undecided.

I’ll wager that only about 20% of the population is really paying attention and actually understands government, economy, and current events. Therefore, about 80% of the populuation’s opinion doesn’t count for squat.

As someone else said, if 46% of the country voted against the current socialist dictator, common sense says a 60% approval rating is hard to swallow. I would put it closer to 45-50%.

NRB

February 21st, 2009
12:01 pm

This is funny, to quote the polls in Jay’s blog post:

CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Jan. 12-15, 2009

“Do you think the country would be better off if the Republicans controlled Congress, or if the Democrats controlled Congress?”

56% said the country would be better if Democrats controlled congress.

Well, Democrats HAVE controlled congress since 2006. How has the housing market, DOW Jones, and unemployment rates fared since then?

Taxpayer

February 21st, 2009
12:10 pm

Free education for all children in public schools.

I’m all for that idea. That is just so cool. And, to think that I’ve been paying property taxes to help fund education all these years when, in fact, there’s a better way. Yes indeed and it’s free! I wonder how they’ll do it. Will they just say “Charge It” like the Republicans do? What is their secret.

Is it something they learned from the retail trade. Is it comparable to one of those sales promotions where the more you buy the more you save except with educating children it’s the more you educate the less it costs. So, as the number of children being educated tends to infinity, the cost to educate them tends to zero. Cool.

Home-schooling. Maybe that’s the answer. Keep all those little ones at home and let their educated parents teach them the ways of the world. Let them pass down all their knowledge and then kick them out the door as soon as they hit puberty. Whatever you do though, don’t mention that nasty word. You know the one. S.E.X. NO. That’s not it. Well, what then.

Trade schools sponsored by business. Let’s see. Today’s lesson is on the most profitable methods to extract coal for “The Company’s” use in generating the power that you will need to listen to “The Company’s” required nightly broadcast after you have finished your mandatory 16-hour coal mining day and finished you meal that you purchased from “The Company” store. No. You don’t think that will work. Well,

I’ll vouch for that fact.

Taxpayer

February 21st, 2009
12:32 pm

And, of course, all those people that refer to our president as a socialist or dictator or social dictator clearly know nothing about our government.

Dave R

February 21st, 2009
12:52 pm

Actually, referring to him as a dictator is clearly wrong.

Referring to President Hope & Change as a Socialist? Not so wrong at all.

Let’s see where we are on the GPS monitor for Communism:

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
About 40% of the way there.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Not there yet, but not for lack of trying, either. maybe 20% of the way

3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
Clearly, 75% of the way there.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
My God, how can we have screwed this one up? 0%

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Today, 40% in two years, 75%

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
Communication – 30%. Transportation – 40%

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
With all the rules in place governing business, we’re about at 45% of production. Agriculture – 25%

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
60% here on the labor side

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equal distribution of the population over the country.
Federalism makes this one about 30%. Population distribution – unknown, but likely 10%

10. Free education for all children in public schools.
Bingo! We have hit the high water mark at 100%! And look at what it has got us – the dumbest collective population on the planet based on the availability of educational opportunities.

After all, we now have President Hope & Change, now don’t we?

By my calculations, we’re about halfway there. Congratulations, comrades!

GayGrayGeek

February 21st, 2009
12:54 pm

Taxpayer: And, of course, all those people that refer to our president as a socialist or dictator or social dictator clearly know nothing about our government.

If these same knuckle-dragging Talibaptists knew anything about the U.S. government they’d have turned out Duh-bya And The Coconuts in 2004…

Joey

February 21st, 2009
1:21 pm

In late 2002 and 2003 Bush had a very high approval rating. This did not discourage Jay and his peers from their commitment to attack Bush over and over. Nor did it discourage Democrats, Reid, Pelosi, Kerry, Clintons, etc. from attacking Bush and Republicans.

So Jay, whats the problem?

Why should I, someone who disagrees with most of what Obama has done and intends to do; someone who believes Reid, Pelosi, Dodd, Frank and other Democrats are the principle source of our problems: Why should I pause for even a moment in expressing my objections.

Shouldn’t I follow the example that you set? The example that Democrats set. Shouldn’t I object as strongly as possible to the things that I strongly disagree with.

Really wouldn’t I be betraying myself if I did not.

Taxpayer

February 21st, 2009
2:02 pm

I think that NRB was close with his comment regarding people’s knowledge of politics. Most working class people simply do not have the time or inclination to stay up to date on politics. They are more focused on making a living, providing food and shelter for their families, trying to get ahead or at least to break even. They elect people to run our government and they expect those people to do not only what is required in the letter of the Constitution but to extend that effort to understanding the changing world and the needs of we the people and the need to help as only an overseeing government can to ensure that ALL are given equal opportunity to enjoy the fruits of one’s labor and the bounty of the land. So, if the average voter cannot rely on their chosen ones to govern responsibly and to lay their special interests aside in favor of we the people, then they will eventually vote for someone else and wait to see if the new chosen ones do better or not and the cycle continues. Clearly, the majority came to the conclusion that the former chosen ones, the Republicans, were not working in the best interest of we the people and so they are being removed from power. How did the majority of the voters reach the decision to remove the Republicans. Well, for many of the average “Joes”, it was likely decided for them by the wallets and this time around, the promises of great wealth and well-being at the end of yet another tax cut just didn’t cut it. For the more educated, not so average “Joes”, it was just a matter of digging for the truth and exposing the lies, etc. Anyway, the jig is up, Republicans. Take your song and dance to the next town ’cause we ain’t buyin’.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 21st, 2009
2:05 pm

Jay, the poll is not surprising to those of us who’ve checked in now and then with how people actually feel about core issues, and compare that to how the national parties tend to frame their positions.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 21st, 2009
2:08 pm

56% said the country would be better if Democrats controlled congress.

Well, Democrats HAVE controlled congress since 2006. How has the housing market, DOW Jones, and unemployment rates fared since then?

Presumably the public believes it’d be worse with Republicans fully in charge.

And note I said “fully.” I’m a little sick of hearing your side retrofitting history, and trying to make it seem as if anything beyond the House were controlled by Democrats from 1.2007-1.2009. The Senate was essentially deadlocked and of course no Bush veto could’ve been overridden.

You don’t like to face this fact, but the truth is, Democrats have been in charge for a little over a month. (And I’m not counting the SCOTUS, which is still firmly in the GOP’s hands.)

PJ

February 21st, 2009
2:19 pm

Since there are no more laws requiring a person to read from a script to vote most of this talk of lack of knowledge is, at most, moot. It makes no difference whether a person votes due to ideology, emotion or pure spite it it still the majority rules. Republicans lost this time but maybe they’ll win sometime in the future, like 20 to 40 years from now. Either way the Dems are in charge so continue to rant, rave, scream and shout. There are so few thing to laugh about these days that the Graham’s, McConnell’s, Blount’s and Company keep the comic relief alive (and at the same time killing their own party) as do these folk on this blog.

And to Ray @9:51 that’s a lot of if’s you mentioned. But as the old joke goes “If your aunt had b@lls she’d be your uncle”.

RW-(the original)

February 21st, 2009
2:59 pm

DB,

I would assume from your comment that you could provide several examples of you taking the left to task for harping on how Republicans had “complete control” prior to the 2006 elections, but I suspect I could count them on the fingers of a closed fist.

fed up

February 21st, 2009
3:16 pm

Just read this article and the posts. I keep looking for the facts that mm says he/she posted…..still haven’t found them, just a bunch of name calling. Did I miss those “facts”?

Chad Harris

February 21st, 2009
3:18 pm

Ah Kin name the 2 Senatuhs in JawJaw AJCcommiecom–

They be shugah slave Saxbuh the ole cracker with the fake knee injury who dodged the draft and Johnnnuh Dimwit tax credit to yuppie house flippers Big Chicken Issackson.

And the two Senatuhs in yo state be Dick Durbin who runs the Senate and Roland He Ain’t Done Nothin’ that every Senatuh and Congresscrittuh do everuh day.

When you sittin’ in the middle of the lake at Piedmont Park tryin’ to get the TV telephone cable channels to show “To Catch a Predatuh 24 hours on a Sadurday” you gets well informed ’bout those mattuhs.

Anuhthing else?

Confucious Done Said: When wife is M.D. for years and tell husband she got no time for anything but lunch–what she be doin’ is always away from you, and what you don’t be knowin’ ’cause she like it that way. And kin you blame her?

AJC/DNC Management

February 21st, 2009
3:25 pm

Reporting from Washington — The Pentagon has concluded that the military detention center at Guantanamo Bay meets the standards for humane treatment of detainees established in the Geneva Convention accords.-LATimes

duh

Bosch

February 21st, 2009
3:25 pm

Wait a minute@ 9:36 – Mike googled God Hates Trash? Good lord. That’s sad. I wonder what he was expecting to find.

Dave R

February 21st, 2009
4:10 pm

Taxpayer, you’re the third person of the left persuasion to claim that people want their leaders to follow the letter of the Constitution, or some other such verbiage. I asked two of them, Ms. Godzilla and Chad Harris, to cite specific policies they wish President Hope & Change supports or would like to see him support that they consider “Constitutional”. Unfortunately, I also challenged them to name the specific text from the Constitution or the specific Amendment that would allow that particular policy to be enacted.

I note that both declined to do so, as specifics are not liberals strong suit when it comes to arguments, or for that matter, the Constitution.

Maybe you can try to connect the dots; as in, Social Security, welfare, housing programs, banking regulations, etc, etc, etc. Tell us which provisions of the so-called stimulus bill are Constitutionally-correct, and don’t forget to cite the pertinent wording that allows it to be so.

I’m sure the silence will CONTINUE to be deafening.

Maybe then you can all stop trying to be Constitutional scholars when you have no qualifications to be so. And you can stop using the Constitution as a punch-line.

getalife

February 21st, 2009
4:18 pm

His first month:

Announced strict new rules for lobbyists
Paycaps for WH staff
Hillary Clinton confirmed Secretary of State
Signed an Executive Order closing Gitmo and secret CIA prisons overseas
Named George Mitchell and Richard Holbrooke Special Envoys to Middle East
Made first agency visit to the State Dept, symbolically reviving diplomacy
Appeared on Arab TV network,
Signed Lily Ledbetter Act,
Eric Holder confirmed;
Signed S-ChIP legislation;
Canceled 77 land leases around Arches National Park;
Signed the Stimulus Bill;
Announced his home foreclosure prevention plan;
Took first foreign trip to Canada;
Banned budget gimmicks, like emergency funding for Iraq;
Met with mayors;
Signed Executive Order for Office of Gulf Coast Recovery.

AJC/DNC Management

February 21st, 2009
4:18 pm

Throw blame for foreclosures at right targets-Queen Pinko, Urinal

Instead, mortgage lending was dominated by companies that didn’t care whether the borrower could repay the loan. They just knew they made a fee off every loan they wrote.

They also knew they wouldn’t be left holding the bag if the mortgages went bad. Wall Street financiers bundled those mortgages into complicated financial instruments and resold them to investors.

Those “masters of the universe” didn’t care if the mortgages were paid back, either. They too made money — gobs of it — every time they sold those complex bundles to investors in Iceland, China, Dubai or Dubuque.

Yes, speaking for investors everywhere, we just love throwing our money out the window by the millions, uh-huh.

It’s so exciting!

Gee, I wonder where the federal government comes into all this?

The U.S. government seized control of the mortgage giants Fannie Mae (FNM: 0.52, -0.0338, -6.1%) and Freddie Mac (FRE: 0.54, -0.0205, -3.66%) on Sunday, placing the liabilities of more than $5 trillion of mortgages onto the backs of the U.S. taxpayer.

5 trillion, eh?

I wonder why the lib said nothing about them?

duh

Chad Harris

February 21st, 2009
4:22 pm

Ole DaveR in da house and as Distingished James Madison Professor of Constitutional Law at Bookman University School of Law he done stagin’ some kind of “test” where he demandin’ X2 thorough his own childish prism nebulously infoMASHUN ’bout LOL

“specific constitutional authority” as opposed to non-specificic constitutional authority via “(specific) as opposed to unspecific” (text)–text from lol where –former opinions or law reviews? about what? “or Amendments” –which of the 29–you ain’t gonna see any more in your lifetime?–”he would have to pursue them.”

He = Obama

Most people familiar with filing appellate briefs constitutional analysis, parsing vague legislative intent as 75% of the published cases in the Federal Reporter do, standards of review, application of the speech and debate clause, the Great Writ’s compromise in the D.C. Circuit’s recent butchery of Boumediene , or the analysis of the exclusionary rule in Herring and gutting of it by Roberts in contrast to what was done in
Georgia v. Randolf
where the Georgia AG was stomped last year would wonder

what the hell do ole Dave R. be talkin’ ’bout?

Is there a specific point or question in there about specific case law or a specific point of law? Perhaps there’s a theme from the hundreds of law review journals Ole Dave is conversant with.

Interested in the stance the Bush deadenders took in the short paragraph filing in Judge Bates’ courtroom before the new sheriffs take over state secrets, torture, rendition and Gitmo Habeas arguments in cases like Mohamed et al v. Jppesen Dataplan, Inc.?

If there is a specific question in Dave R’s montage, and I see it and have time I’ll take a swing.

Anyone interested in federal appellate law ought to take the time to digest a large headsup. It’s not what Faux news has breathless reported about the Bush Deadenders who are packing their bags at DOJ filed last week on 1-3 paragraph fillings that showed they knew they were over and the new gang was going to gut them and their positions.

I’d start with these two ole Dave R–the new sheriffs @ OLC are about to school this country in the resurrection of the Constitution. These 3 people make the calls on the DOJ stances that are going to happen from now on–not the Bush deadenders who are as dead as Skank of America and $$$hittybank as the bank system foreplays the nation towards nationalization.

Obama’s Impressive OLC Chief

3 Law Professors Who Have Torn Bush, Addington, Cheney, Yoo and Bradford apart on two blogs for 8 years now own OLC @ the DOJ Corral. The briefs and motions will be a flowin’ soon.

AJC/DNC Management

February 21st, 2009
4:45 pm

Obama also seeks to increase tax collections, primarily by making good on his promise to eliminate the temporary tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 for wealthy taxpayers, whom Obama defined during the campaign as those earning more than $250,000 a year. Those tax breaks would be permitted to expire on schedule for the 2011 tax year, when the top tax rate would rise from 35 percent to more than 39 percent.

Obama also proposes to maintain the tax on estates worth more than $3.5 million, instead of letting it expire next year. And he proposes “a fairly aggressive effort on tax enforcement” that would target tax havens and corporate loopholes, among other provisions, the official said.-WaPo

I figure there was about 25% left in the Stock Market that believed oblahmi would come to his senses but now they know he won’t for sure.

Buh bye prosperity.

Hello duhpression.

AmVet

February 21st, 2009
4:48 pm

getalife,

He also directed the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to drop an appeal of a Bush administration mercury control plan for coal-fired power plants.

“Coal, the backbone of America’s electrical grid, runs about 1,100 plants in the U.S., but also spews out about 48 tons of mercury per year. The element is a potent toxic substance that affects brain development. It settles in our rivers and lakes and most people are exposed to it by eating fish.”

Another blow for those who are happy to kill every living thing they can, all int he name of the almighty dollar…

Man’s a filthy creature

Raping the land and water and the air

Tomorrow may be too late?

Now’s the time that you must be aware

Nature’s disappearing

Polluted death is coming, do you care?

Garbage going nowhere

Soon the dumps will spread to your front door

Lakes and rivers stagnant

Nothing lives or grows like years before

Nature’s disappearing

The world you take for granted … soon no more

Read about pollution

Make manufacturers uncomfortable

Boycott at the market

Containers that are non-returnable

Aluminum, glass or plastic

Eternal waste that’s not destructible

We’re of a generation

That may live out our natural time

But as for all our children?

Born to suffocate in human slime

Nature’s disappearing

And we are guilty of this massive crime

John Mayall ~1970

Chad Harris

February 21st, 2009
4:51 pm

Dave R , former Chairman of the Economic Counsel and Special Assistant to Larry the Summers and his disciple Tim the Geitner who helped run Wall Street into the Ground while at the NY Fed while worshipping at the feet of the Deregulatory skanks

February 21st, 2009
7:25 am

Chad baby! Still wondering if you voluntarily did the patriotic thing (as VP Hope and Change says) and sent in some additional tax money to the state to help it out of it’s budget deficit? After all, it’s for the children, right? Government is good, right? In fact, let’s hear from ALL the liberals out there who believe that government is the solution to all our problems and see how many voluntarily did their patriotic duty and sent a little extra to Uncle Sugar or Uncle Sonny in this time of need.

Or do you just believe that everyone else should contribute their money?

Answer:

a) I am giving careful consideration to ceding all my assets to the King family to fund a mud wrestling venue where they can replace the Mike Vick serial dog killing arenas in the South and the King millionaires thanks to Shirley Franklin and her willful corporate slaves can claw each other to death in the ring over Mo Money. The reason is that it would make the perfect sequel to the Tyler Perry Media moronic movies.

b) Giving all my assets to Tyler Perry or the Housewives of Atlanta so that they can stem off serial evictions and bankruptsy and have some place to store their Blahnicks and Judith Leiber handbags so they can sucker another Atlanta Falcon or Hawk who has no taste in women and suck him dry before they all go bankrupt

c) My favorite choice is to give all my assets to the dead zombie banks toxic banks with toxic assets whose value is of course non-determined. These banks would be defined by Ms. Gail Collins who described my ideal bank this way( mine is getting there–it’s already borrowed $4.5 billion from me–it’s name is Sun Screw and it is about to be a dead man walking):

My first premise is like Ms. Collins–you can’t give banks enough. If you’re selfishly headed to Kroeger or Publinx today, you oughta be shot. That money needs to go to Wall Street Investment banks and right now. We need all dead banks to convert to zombie banks.

And ah have the answer to how much toxic assets are worth. They are worth 5 X the cost of the boob jobs that 4/5 Jaw Jaw females obtain once they reach the age of 15. As Sonnah Rain Prayer Purdew done said in his State of the Peanut Buttuh JawJaw Speech: “If yo chin ain’t buried in your cleavage after your pushup bra done pushed it up whah not–wasss wrong wit you?”

Mah bank “Sun Screw you and give us yo money all of it” is adopting the following Gail Collins interior design scheme and this country will finally exude the dignified tone it should have:


“You walk into the lobby decorated with portraits of Bernie Madoff, past a row of tellers who are not giving out any money because they are all too busy planning to have octuplets or adopting a chimpanzee as a family member. The executive suite is empty because everybody has gone off on his or her own personal corporate jet. To lunch. Which would consist only of products made with peanut butter. And the bad bank would, of course, have a corporate softball team that was open only to employees who took steroids on a regular basis.”

Absodamnlutely goshdarnit, you betcha and but also like but also.

And but also goshdarnit when Greenspan said yesterday he can’t get his head around collateralized debt obligations or the dynamics of credit default swaps, well neither could Phil Gramm, Chris Cox or Senatuh mah kid wasn’t prosecuted with drugs at Hartsfield Shelby ’cause he’s a Senatuh Son.

And you betcha. Ah sure hopes that answers your queshun ole Dave R. You sure does use big words like amendment and constitution and you’re all over that new OLC gang.’

That’s OLC Dave R. OLC O L C goshdarnit you betcha. And do you have a specific legal question ’cause if you ever do an ah done sees it ah kin sure take a swing–amendments (29 and no more gettin’ thru/ text or documents gotcha goshdarnit. Now back to lookin for hours of “To Catch a Predator” so ah kin learn sumpin ’bout sumpin.

Taxpayer

February 21st, 2009
5:12 pm

Dave R

You said,

Taxpayer, you’re the third person of the left persuasion to claim that people want their leaders to follow the letter of the Constitution, or some other such verbiage.

To which I respond,

First, you don’t know jack about my persuasion so cut the crap and stick to facts. Second, I actually wrote, “…They elect people to run our government and they expect those people to do not only what is required in the letter of the Constitution but to extend that effort…” so quit trying to parse words to suit your whims. Better yet, take a reading comprehension class.

Finally, I did not even bother with the rest of that post because the fact is that I don’t consider you to be worth any more effort than this. Why? Well, for one thing, your rant that you posted after I posted that Sarah Palin owed BACK TAXES. That was more than sufficient proof for me, dude.

AJC/DNC Management

February 21st, 2009
5:17 pm

Even discounting for the impact of global recession, the most populous state’s ills are unique and self-inflicted — and avoidable. In the last three decades, Kalifornia expanded the public sector and regulation to Europe-like dimensions. Schools, state employees, health care, even dog kennels, benefited from largesse in flush times. Government workers got 16 official holidays, everyone else six. The state dabbled with universal health care and adopted strict environmental standards. In short, Kalifornia went where our new president and Ninny Pelosi of San Francisco want America to go.-WSJ

And then government will have to save us, yay!

Ray

February 21st, 2009
5:17 pm

And as bad as things may get, let us all be thankful the retarded rightwing was unable to get McCain to finish destroying our nation. Whether the rightwing likes it or not, we of the educated tribe will continue to look out for their welfare no matter how bad they screw us. In Jesus’ name, Amen.

Taxpayer

February 21st, 2009
5:29 pm

AJC/DNC Management

February 21st, 2009
5:36 pm

See if you can make any sense out of what this typical democrat dunce has to say-

Washington Sen. Patty Murray noted the president’s plan, “focuses on those who have fallen behind, not those who could never afford their mortgages in the first place.”

Idiocy in action.

AJC/DNC Management

February 21st, 2009
5:40 pm

See if you can make any sense out of what this typical democrat dunce has to say-

Obama’s proposal for the 2010 fiscal year that begins Oct. 1 projects that the $1.3 trillion deficit he inherited from former President George W. Bush will be halved to $533 billion by 2013. That’s a difference of 9.2 percent of the overall economy now vs. 3 percent in four years.

So what about the 900 billion he added to it?

And the 50 billion he added to that?

And the 75 billion he added to that?

Comfort food for a nation of dunces.

O.K. Corralis

February 21st, 2009
5:42 pm

Campaign Pledges Collide with New Fiscal Responsibility

The PrezBO is about to find out how little poor people have to offer in incentives.

getalife

February 21st, 2009
5:48 pm

That is great taxpayer.

He is on a roll.

O.K. Corralis

February 21st, 2009
5:48 pm

It’s going to be a showdown between Obama and business. Please, dims! Don’t hold it against him when he goes with business. You’ve got nothing to toss in the pot.

Chad Harris

February 21st, 2009
5:48 pm

We’re comin’ for the Sarah ditzhead. We’re sezin’ the guns the cowardly hate mongerin’ ignorant bigot uses like Mike Vick to shoot wolves (wolves are the evolutionary pre-cursor of dogs unless you’re dumb enough to believe in Unintelligent Design). We’re taking her hidden wardrobe she stole. We’re puttin her ugly butt in jail so she can take some prison education courses and begin to get the equivalant to a 5th grade education but also goshdarnit you betcha.

If there’s one thing this country can’t have it’s a tax cheat. And that goes for the 17,000 UBS Republican tax cheats that St. Geithner has forced UBS Switzerland to turn over to IRS/DOJ’s enforcement sections.’

How bout them apples LOL. Geithner cheats on his taxes, willfully and flips a bird to IRS by not paying the back taxes since the statute of limitations was up, and then his IRS and DOJ are seizing the names of the UBS tax cheaters who have the off shore illegal shelters.

In all fairness though, Geithner’s tax cheating was a lot more ambiguous than taking millions and stashing them in a swiss bank with UBS.

Stay tuned.

And how bout that movie on the James Bond 3 card Monte ole Bernie you ain’t nevah finding the feeder fund money deal with it Madoff pulled.

Oscar Picks by 538’s Nate Silver the math genius

NRB

February 21st, 2009
6:18 pm

“Obama won 52-46 among those Americans with incomes above $200,000, even though he had basically promised them a tax hike.”

Jay, in order for your point to be valid, it would have to be proven that the 52% of high income earners even knew that they’d get a tax increase under “his highness”. You’re only solidifying my earlier points.

Liberalism = mental disorder.

RW-(the original)

February 21st, 2009
6:23 pm

Look what else you find if you take a few minutes looking at Jay B’s polling data. The GPS ain’t looking to great for Mr. All Government, All The Time.

39. Do you think Americans are starting to rely too much on the government and
not enough on themselves?
Yes No (Don’t know)

17-18 Feb 09 Yes 76% No 20% Don’t know 3%

Democrats Yes 63% No 32% Don’t know 5%

Republicans Yes 91% No 7% Don’t know 1%

Independents Yes 76% No 21% Don’t know 3%

DB, Gwinnettian

February 21st, 2009
6:52 pm

RW @ 2.59, maybe I’m just tired, or I’m just incredibly thick (always a smart bet), but I’ve read that post of yours three times and other than gathering that some accusation of hypocrisy seems to have been made, I have no idea how to grok the point you’re making.

Try again? Smaller words, maybe?

Beyond that, as to your post @ 6.23–hey, it’s a Fox News poll. They’ve got to ask something that’s guaranteed to produce a result to make its viewers feel warm and fuzzy.

I found the results of questions 20 and 21 to be interesting; while the Republicans polled, naturally, didn’t think Obama was being genuine in his efforts to reach out to the GOP and be bipartisan (only 42% thought he was), that number only rises to 46% when the question turns to whether “Republicans have sincerely tried to be helpful to Barack Obama and be bipartisan in drafting the economic stimulus and spending plan.”

jon

February 21st, 2009
7:08 pm

9:03 AM first post on this blog.
5:48PM Chad posts his first anti-Sarah Palin screed.

8 hrs and 45 minutes.

Is he slipping?

I got an idea. Every time Chad goes off on Sarah Palin, we all get to take a shot of whiskey.

Taxpayer

February 21st, 2009
7:12 pm

Well, I got my copy of TurboTax so I can start plugging in numbers and see how bad the damage will be this year. Anyway, I shopped and shopped but I could not find that tax software put out by UBS. I understand that their software completely eliminates all tax liability with the stroke of a pen. I just don’t know how they do it but I understand that it’s real popular here in the states. Maybe that’s why it’s so hard to find on the shelves at all the retail stores. Of course, I did find one other program that completely eliminates all income and payroll taxes and it’s even legal. It was published by Bush and the Republicans. The short name for it is the Pink Slip. I thought that their methodology was rather Draconian though. Anyway, I passed on that one even though I was still required to pay the full retail price for it — with interest.

RW-(the original)

February 21st, 2009
7:18 pm

DB,

I doubt that was a question that they got the answer they expected. When 63% of Democrats are saying we’re becoming too reliant on government even as the current administration is trying to make us more dependent than any time in our history it doesn’t bode well for the Obama plan. It might have become an answer that conservatives feel good about, but I hardly think they expected it.

As for the 2:59, you must be tired because nobody could be thick enough not to get that one. You claim to be sick of hearing anybody make a claim about Democrats having full control, but several times a week we get comments about how Republicans could have gotten anything they wanted done while they had full control during the Bush administration. By your very definition the Republicans never once had full control while Bush was in office, but I’ve yet to see you tell one of your fellow travelers that you’re sick of hearing that myth.

RW-(the original)

February 21st, 2009
7:20 pm

jon,

One should never mix alcohol and Chadly’s comments other than Chadly himself.

Taxpayer

February 21st, 2009
7:41 pm

DB, Gwinnettian

February 21st, 2009
7:45 pm

Eh, “Do you think Americans are starting to rely too much on the government and
not enough on themselves?” sounds tailor made to elicite a “why, yes! that ‘relying too much on government’ sounds like a bad thing, since we’ve had it drilled into our heads for about thirty years that government is some alien life force and not something we consent to” sorta response. To these ears.

As to who held power fully at what times, I’ve been over that a few times in here, and I think you’re reading too much into my earlier post. To my mind, the GOP held quite a bit of power between 1.2005-1.2007, although the Dems could still filibuster stuff they found completely objectionable (although the nuclear option had been threatened over judicial appointments.)

But yeah, i’m tired, so… (been training for a 10K qualifier. Bit woozy.)

later, all.

Chad Harris

February 21st, 2009
7:50 pm

Here ya go–capitalism at its finest– a marriage of the socialist welfare commie pinko country where the White House is of course now the Hip Hop house and intense capitalism at work.

From Muckie Muck:

(Via the half way truthful AP):

A report by the Associated Press reveals that jobless workers have to pay fees on the benefits they collect. 30 states have made deals with large banks, many of which are taking bailout funds, like Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup and US Bancorp that require the unemployed to pay bank fees just to get access to their money. In some cases, those collecting benefits have no choice but to use bank issued debit cards, which run the risk of incurring overdraft fees. “It’s a racket. It’s a scam,” said one unemployed woman. (Associated Press)

RW-(the original)

February 21st, 2009
7:59 pm

Db,

Sounds like you aren’t buying the Change We Can Believe In hype and as far as I’m concerned that’s a good thing.

Taxpayer

February 21st, 2009
8:19 pm

Chad Harris

February 21st, 2009
8:26 pm

It’s popcorn chompin’ time at the Jindal Jamboree girls and boys–get out the popcorn and the Grand Ole Opry fiddle music. Yee haw.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal announced Friday that he will decline stimulus money specifically targeted at expanding state unemployment insurance coverage, becoming the first state executive to officially refuse any part of the federal government’s payout to states.

In a statement, Jindal, who is slated to give the Republican response to President Barack Obama’s message to Congress on Tuesday, expressed concern that expanding unemployment insurance coverage would lead to increased unemployment insurance taxes later on.

An ah done thought that since all thet water done knocked down the fake floodwall from that hurrykane with the Norwegian Nordic name Kahtrenha thet them Louisianasians wuz scrappin’ for everah dollah and ticked at next door nehboh Haley Barbour for barberin’ them a haircut cuz of his DC Connexions. (MSFT has made grate spellcheckuhs in Office 2007 and even bettuh ones in the alpha of Office 14–what happened to ole 13?)

Lesseee. Piyush Jindal who doesn’t have Hussein in his name so he changed the Piyush to Bobby when he found out Sonny was done taken. This is sheer genius and will earn him gobs of votes in the effort of the Bookman Right Wingnutters to take the White House and turn it back into the Nuthouse.

Bush has crushed the masses in Louisiana but not sometime resident Benjamin Button and Ms. Fine Bellybutton who are feeting themselves at an expensive party in La–calleyforney not Louisana at this very moment.

________

Although ah don’t get no news from Faux news–all the IV phenergan is on backorder after running out of #14 angiocaths hooked up to upside down barrels to watch 30 seconds of ole Faux there is some breakin’ news from the appeal where Swami Dave prematurely ecrowulated that Obama OLC ( a term he’s recently learned) is now owned by 3 former blogging constitutional law profs who hate Bush’s guts( that’d be Dawn Johnson, David Barron, and the chief Bush Gonzales and former SDNY district court judge Mike Mukasey hater former blogger Marty Lederman).

Them 3 be ensconsed here so all the Bookman wingnutters can get acquainted with them thet will be makun the decizzons at OLC/DOJ:

Mowin down the Bush deadenders and sweepin them outta the halls at DOJ Meet the Lawfirm of Johnson, Barron & Lederman, Bush Hating Bloggers Extrordinaire

It seems they have done read the briefs that the Bush dimwits spitefully filed in 3 high profile cases–2 in the 9th Circuit and one in John Bates’ district courtroom in D.C. last week and they weren’t amused since the Bush dimwits they are firing happen to work for, well, them now. How ’bout being able to blog you hate the Bush DOJsters and in the wink of an eye (or after eight years of blogging) suddenly getting the power to fire em? Kuelll ain’t it.

On Friday, a new tone was struck in the Ninth Circuit briefings in the district court remanded case before Judge Walker:

Al-Haramain argues that Judge Walker is not bound by the Executive Orders on classification since those orders only cover executive branch agencies.

That’s a page out of ole Addington and Cheney’s book. Remember Cheney’s claim he was a 4th branch of government?

In other words, since Judge Walker currently has possession of the wiretap log and the filings in the case, he has the authority to decide whether they have the need to know what is in the filings pertaining to this case.

How funny to see the 3 bloggers controlling DOJ having written precisely what the other side battling DOJ is now asserting in their motion during their 8 years on two blogs ’cause the plaintiffs suing the gov wrote in their motion on Friday in the State Secrets case against the Boeing Subsidiary that renditioned Binyan Mohammed for torture:

“Analogous authority under the Classified Information Procedures Act (CIPA), 18 U.S.C. App. 3, which governs a criminal defendant’s access to classified information, is consistent with the notion of judicial authority to determine the “need to know” with regard to classified information that is under a court’s control. The provision of CIPA governing discovery of classified information by defendants, 18 U.S.C. App. 3, § 4, “gives the court the authority to regulate the access to classified information of persons assisting the defense.”

The bipartisan State Secret Protection Act is modeled on existing protections and procedures for handling secret evidence. Specifically, the bill would require a court to make an independent assessment of the privilege claim, and would allow evidence to be withheld only if “public disclosure of the evidence that the government seeks to protect would be reasonably likely to cause significant harm to the national defense or diplomatic relations of the United States.”

Under the bill, when this standard is met, a judge must protect the evidence from harmful disclosure, and shall consider whether a non-privileged substitute can be created that would prevent an unnecessary dismissal of the claims. The sponsors noted that through reasonable and uniform procedures and standards, their bill would strengthen national security and the rule of law, and would help restore checks and balances.

There’s some Constitution, some legislative intent, some future legislation and Friday’s briefing from the good guys at ACLU all rolled into one for ole Dave R and the Swami. Enjoy.

Mrs. Godzilla

February 21st, 2009
8:33 pm

….We are about 30 steps past were Bushco left us…..and on the right path.

Chad Harris

February 21st, 2009
8:40 pm

And here’s one more tidbit that sure is never going to be seen on Faux news ’cause they don’t know who these people are or what this agency OLC is, but Swami Dave has shown interest in these filings.

Why would the Bush deadenders who are still around file motions that they know would enrage their bosses. The answer is ’cause the bosses aren’t there yet–they haven’t been confirmed so they’re really not at their desks officially running the briefs–but they will be next week and ole Joe Biden will swear ‘em in (the 3 people pictured in the link I posted above):

A hearing has been scheduled to consider the nominations of Dawn Johnsen to be the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel and David Kris to be the Assistant Attorney General for the National Security Division. The Judiciary Committee will consider the nominations on February 25, at 2:00 p.m.

From SJC (Senate Judiciary Committee):

jon

February 21st, 2009
8:46 pm

Taxpayer:

I don’t know much about banking, but I know a lot about environmental regulations. Since it is obvious to me that you know nothing about environmental issues, can I assume that you have the same credentials on other issues that you blog about?

And who was harmed by the dam failure at the Kingston facility?

Constructive Feedback

February 21st, 2009
8:53 pm

Jay Bookman AND CYNTHIA TUCKER and MIKE LUCKOVICH!!!!

Why do you all focus so much on “State and National REPUBLICANS” yet say little about the LOCAL DEMOCRATS who are FAILING to:

* EDUCATE the children in their districts?
* Maintain SAFE STREETS within their districts?
* Produce more even ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT within their districts?

Mr Bookman you keep pointing to the POPULARITY of the Democrats. Go do research on ever failing Big City – you will see that Democrats are POPULAR. This means little in translation into political EFFECTIVENESS.

Mr. Bookman (and Ms Tucker) what you need to make note of is the MIGRATION OF PROGRESSIVES. In many traditionally conservative dominated metro counties (Henry, Fayette, Gwinnett, Cobb, etc) there are an increasing number of “Flying Progressives” exiting the areas where, on paper at least, things look good for the Democratic Party.

These people are moving next door to their ideological enemies, the conservatives in order to take advantage of higher rates of safety, better schools and other benefits of conservative living.

When the reports come in you at the biased AJC report this as “Democrats make gains in traditionally Republican counties”. In truth what is happening is that loyal Democrats who helped bring forth the conditions in the Progressive bastions are MOVING OUT and seeking to work their magic in “Conservative Counties”.

Popularity does not equate to Effectiveness, Mr Bookman.
Maybe as your circulation rates decline enough you and the other Democratic spokesmen will on the editorial board will change their tune?

Taxpayer

February 21st, 2009
9:01 pm

jon,

You do not know anything about me and I don’t know anything about you. So, if you want to prove yourself worthy of my time, then back up your claims with verifiable facts. Otherwise, STFU, pissant.

Chad Harris

February 21st, 2009
9:15 pm

So if jon is an expert in environmental regulations then the syllogism is that no one else can have expertise on the environment, and of course it would be impossible for someone to go to med school and law school?

How in the hell do these wingnuts who seem to know nothing about issues then presume to go to their psychotic bubble and construct delusions about the personal lives of others? Isn’t that where anti-psychotic meds, primitive as they all are, come in?

Hmmmmm—how can you medicate all the wingnuts on this blog via cyberspace? There must be a way. Rapid tranq Haldol goin’ in.

That’s the wingnut cancel ‘em out theory.

How ’bout that OLC Jon–confirmation is Wednesday at 2PM. Be there or be square. Set your DVR.

Chad Harris

February 21st, 2009
9:20 pm

Jay Bookman AND CYNTHIA TUCKER and MIKE LUCKOVICH!!!!

All hired by Tom Teepen for Cox. Great hires.

Midori

February 21st, 2009
9:24 pm

WaPo: Obama to raise taxes on wealthy, “wind down” war

Now that’s change “I” can believe in!!

The Washington Post has a sneak preview of the budget President Obama will unveil Tuesday, and on a first quick read, it looks mighty progressive.

Maintaining the estate tax and letting the Bush tax cuts expire seems to be the revenue-raising heart of the budget.

Obama to Unveil an Ambitious Budget Plan

By Lori Montgomery and Ceci Connolly
Washington Post Staff Writers

President Obama is putting the finishing touches on an ambitious first budget that seeks to cut the federal deficit in half over the next four years, primarily by raising taxes on business and the wealthy and by slashing spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, administration officials said.

In addition to tackling a deficit swollen by the $787 billion stimulus package and other efforts to ease the nation’s economic crisis, the budget blueprint will press aggressively for progress on the domestic agenda Obama outlined during the presidential campaign. This would include key changes to environmental policies and a major expansion of health coverage that Obama hopes to enact later this year…..

RW-(the original)

February 21st, 2009
9:27 pm

Jay B,

Even if you have to lie to us, please tell us they’re working on this bug where a refresh is just as likely to take you several hours back up thread as it is to get you to new comments. Thank you in advance!

Taxpayer

February 21st, 2009
9:34 pm

Amen to that, RW. You see, we do agree on some issues. I think we’re up to two now.

Chad Harris

February 21st, 2009
9:38 pm

I have an idea. Everytime you think Sarah Palin is going anywhere, get a syringe and mix Jack Daniels and Haldol>put a tourniquet on>gently guide the needle into that big antecubital vein on the ventral side of your elbow joint>get bloodback>and IV pushaway.

We’re hitchin’ up the huskies and the snowmobile and we’re bringin’ the tax cheat wolf killer moose killer fiasco as governor in.

She became Tina Fey paradying herself without Tina when Tina stopped doing her. Just the sight of her evokes guffaws–but she’s huring a lot of indigent people and middle class people in Alaska.

Why would anyone defend her? She helped fly your party into the ground but all the Georgians who drank her koolaid got the massive failure they deserved and will deserve for years to come.

Chad Harris

February 21st, 2009
9:38 pm

She’s a self-parody Office 14 Alpha spell checker.

Chad Harris

February 21st, 2009
9:43 pm

Everytime you hit refresh RW–you and the blog and the island move through time. Hopefully your nose won’t start bleeding. John Locke was supposed to fix that wheel by giving it a shove.

It doesn’t seem as if he did, and somehow that wheel and the island and AJC are tightly linked. Do you see the flashing light when you hit the refresh?

Who is taking care of Aaron while Kate is back on the island?–I didn’t see him on the plane.

Maybe they left him with Cynthia Tucker or Maureen Downey.

RW-(the original)

February 21st, 2009
9:52 pm

Chadly,

Are you mixing network television into your delusions these days?

TnGelding

February 21st, 2009
9:57 pm

A conversation with Richard Holbrooke, U.S. Special Envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan:

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10094

jon

February 21st, 2009
10:00 pm

I invited Holder and Obama over to the house on Sunday for some ribs and chicken. They aren’t coming.

Cowards.

jon

February 21st, 2009
10:05 pm

One wonders what the O’man has up his sleeve next. After sending his AG out to call all American’s cowards, maybe next he will send his Treasury Secretary out to call all Americans tax cheats.

GayGrayGeek

February 21st, 2009
10:07 pm

Has anyone else wondered if we could solve all of the world’s energy issues in One Fell Swoop, simply by locking Andy and Chad in a room together ala matter/anti-matter/double-doesn’t-matter?

Jay, I thought you had, um, encouraged both of them to Play Nicely? Or are you leaving them both alone, so as to demonstrate that neither “side” lacks for LooneyTuneFolks on their respective fringes?

Chad Harris

February 21st, 2009
10:13 pm

From what I’ve seen here RW there’s no limit to the scope and depth of delusions. I’ve been trying to research whether wingnuttia is a)congenital b) environmental c) some kind of hybrid d) a conception of Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse from C.S. Lewis’ Chronicles of Namia

History is corrupted on my notebook and of all the thousands of windows tweaks and reghacks I know, I can’t make it open for the last 13 weeks. Know how to fix it RW? I can’t fix it from the dvd, the bootrec switches won’t do it and I’m out of ideas.

Chad Harris

February 21st, 2009
10:14 pm

And SFC /scannow won’t fix it either.