Iseman v. New York Times

Re: The settlement agreement between lobbyist Vicki Iseman and the New York Times.

As a journalist, I’d make several points:

1.) Iseman emerged the winner. She didn’t get the $27 million she sought, but she won significant concessions. As a rule, a newspaper does not willingly give plaintiffs a good deal of space in its publication to argue their case in public, yet the Times did. In a note to its readers, the Times also acknowledged that “the article did not state, and The Times did not intend to conclude, that Ms. Iseman had engaged in a romantic affair with Senator McCain or an unethical relationship on behalf of her clients in breach of the public trust.” That too is significant.

2.) Iseman deserved this win; the Times deserved this outcome as well. The newspaper’s claim that it did not intend to imply a romantic relationship between Iseman and John McCain cannot withstand any honest reading of the piece in question. The article did try to communicate through innuendo what it could not substantiate with fact, and in fact the gap between what it implied and what it could prove was significant. That’s just bad journalism. We all make mistakes — I certainly have and I know I will in the future — but that story as written should never have gotten into print.

3.) Legally, the case rode on the question of whether Iseman, as a registered lobbyist, was a public figure or private figure. If the courts had ruled her a private figure, she might have won a significant financial settlement. If the courts had ruled her a public figure, she would have won nothing. Given that gray area, the settlement was a just outcome.

4.) I am a great admirer of the Times. I read it daily. But this story was the latest in a string of high-profile cases in which its reporting outran the facts available. That includes its poorly grounded, sensationalistic reporting of the Whitewater case with Bill Clinton, both in the news and opinion pages; the credulous handling of WMD allegations by reporter Judith Miller during the runup and aftermath of the Iraq invasion; and its railroading of scientist Wen Ho Lee as an alleged spy for China. Again, we all make mistakes. But when you make a series of similar mistakes, you ought to look internally at the cause and address it. As an outsider, it looks as if Times editors are pushing reporters too hard for scoops, or they aren’t insisting that their reporters justify their claims with facts.

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AJC/DNC Management

February 20th, 2009
11:16 am

When do the treason trials start?

Barry

February 20th, 2009
11:19 am

Right after the NYT admits it has a problem.

RealityKing

February 20th, 2009
11:35 am

The NYTimes has proven itself to be nothing more than tabloid news..

Joe

February 20th, 2009
11:37 am

Yet another example of the media’s true agenda: Profits.

The Times pushed for scoops in all of the cases mentioned above because if they are known as the guys who get the big story first, they will have more readers and more readers means more ad revenue. The problem is that the editors have overplayed on this, and it’s biting them in the arse.

Paul

February 20th, 2009
11:43 am

Jay

Thanks for a journalist’s perspective. I stand corrected on my stance there are no winners in a settlement case.

BTW – also – Truth won.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 20th, 2009
11:43 am

Jay, I haven’t followed this one at all, I look forward to tracking down a story or two for background.

In other newspaper news, the NY Post (now, that there’s a “tabloid”, RK) has issued a non-apology apology. Click the link if you like, but it’s pretty much what one would expect.

Go NYT go!

February 20th, 2009
11:43 am

Someone needed to balance Bush’s disinformation campaign. What will be the outcome of the litany of those cases (WMD lies, Valarie Plame, etc.)?

getalife

February 20th, 2009
11:43 am

A lobbyist settled without the money does not pass the smell taste.

G

February 20th, 2009
11:55 am

McCain didn’t help matters by stating Palin was his “soulmate.”
Goofy talk.

But the real news is Obama is President and McCain can go off and have as many “soulmates” as he wants, and no one will care what he even means by it.

@@

February 20th, 2009
12:01 pm

That’s just bad journalism. We all make mistakes — I certainly have and I know I will in the future — but that story as written should never have gotten into print.

….and let that be a lesson to you from here on out, jay. Wait a minute! Did you say you plan on making mistakes in the future? Will your liberal readers see them as unquestionable truths supporting their power?

You can count on conservatives to be honest with you.

Mind if I bring something up from downstairs? Every time I return to the computer, you’ve moved on. Nevermind “Tis better to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission.”

jay, I’m familiar with one Pearl of Wisdom — liberals make up the vast majority within the community of conspiracy theorists. I think it has something to do with their inability to account for why their lives are so miserable. It will always be because of some conspiracy against them.

Get this! When an article was posted at some radical left-wing blogsite that portrayed the brutal death of Daniel Pearl, at the hands of terrorists, one idiot liberal responded with “His father created the war!”

‘Ya think he/she might have been cornfused? …thinking that maybe Richard Perle was Daniel’s father?

Meet Daniel Pearl’s REAL father.

At my own university, UCLA, a symposium last week on human rights turned into a Hamas recruitment rally by a clever academic gimmick. The director of the Center for Near East Studies carefully selected only Israel bashers for the panel, each of whom concluded that the Jewish state is the greatest criminal in human history.

The primary purpose of the event was evident the morning after, when unsuspecting, uninvolved students read an article in the campus newspaper titled, “Scholars say: Israel is in violation of human rights in Gaza,” to which the good name of the University of California was attached. This is where Hamas scored its main triumph — another inch of academic respectability, another inroad into Western minds.

Danny’s picture is hanging just in front of me, his warm smile as reassuring as ever. But I find it hard to look him straight in the eyes and say: You did not die in vain.

Daniel Pearl was a JEW, and for THAT alone, our liberal academics found justification in his beheading.

Liberals often lose their heads to less than rational thoughts.

Peter

February 20th, 2009
12:03 pm

Soul mate…Sex Mate……. perhaps at his age he was “Confused”…….?????

Perhaps more “Faulty Intelligence”….that is the “Republican Way” ……… After all !

Paul

February 20th, 2009
12:03 pm

Management

Treason trials? You mean Sen Feinstein?

Dusty

February 20th, 2009
12:07 pm

Jay Bookman, I commend your conclusions on the ethics of journalism.

But…when did you develop them? Just after the last election?

Dave R

February 20th, 2009
12:13 pm

DB, grow a pair, would you? The NY Post cartoon needed no apology, except maybe to the owner of the chimp. Unless you were brought up as a bed-wetting liberal, this cartoon was NOT racist. It used a combination of a current event and the acknowledgment that the stimulus package was not drawn up by anyone intelligent (we all know who drew up the stimulus plan, and it wasn’t President Hope & Change). As usual, liberals need to have something to “feel” offended about, so they eagerly jumped on this cartoon as racist.

Even Edwin M. Stanton, Lincoln’s Secretary of War, called his President “the original gorilla”. The one thing you don’t read about in the newspapers of the time then is a great hue and cry about him being racist. They understood that gorilla, chimp, etc., means less intelligence because THEY ARE ANIMALS, not humans.

And of course, there weren’t a great deal of entitlement leeches out there during the 1860’s as there are today. And no bed-wetters (except those who were incontinent).

On the Iseman thing; she should not have settled. Anything that could further bankrupt that most bankrupt of “newspapers” would be the death knell for irresponsible journalism, and would straighten up every print shop across the country. Something long overdue.

Q. What do you have with 10,000 unemployed reporters?
A. A good start.

rose

February 20th, 2009
12:15 pm

No, the editors push hard for results. They want the stories that sell. They do not want the paper showing a front page headlines of something nice and simple in living, it has to more complex. A doom and gloom, or a shock story will get the money at the newstand. And these days it is politics. If a reporter cannot find ‘their’ own niche in the story of the hour, they make upone. The editor does not care so much, it will sell.
The paoers have had a rotten time with their cutbacks and their are plenty of editors who will want anything to save the paper, to sell the paper, no matter whose expense is lossed in the process.
Newspapers use to be about news, let’s face it, it is business, big business for most. Honest editors are hard to find.
So will the newspaper industry thus, look to DC for a chance to bailout, should they go under? Everyone else does. But I do suggest, they drive their own ‘older’ autos to the Capital before they ask for any $$.

Red Foreman

February 20th, 2009
12:15 pm

Who cares? Must be a slow day at the AJC!!!

Better watch out Jay, the HR people might be coming to see you with the infamous “Red Folder”…

rose

February 20th, 2009
12:15 pm

Excuse my missing the spell check……

rose

February 20th, 2009
12:17 pm

Nay, we need the opinion page too much, don’t ya think?

CommunistAJC

February 20th, 2009
12:29 pm

Bookman,
well done, comrade. Well done.

RealityKing

February 20th, 2009
12:30 pm

I would much rather discuss the Washington Post’s cartoon and how its sooo racist to call or portray the president as a monkey. Well.., this president anyways.

Joe

February 20th, 2009
12:31 pm

Dave R,

White people were never compared to monkeys are considered less than full people. Black people were, and in some circles, still are. THAT is why the NY Post comment was racist. Plus, the chimp attack and the stimulus package have NOTHING to do with each other, and it’s obvious that the chimp is supposed to represent Obama.

No, it’s not being hypersensitive not to want to be called a chimp.

Thank you for proving that Eric Holder is correct.

rose

February 20th, 2009
12:34 pm

You must admit, it was a cartoon out of taste, there seems to be quite a few of them these days

Joe

February 20th, 2009
12:35 pm

Oh, and Dave R? The only people who want to elimate journalists are those who support tyranny rather than democracy and liberty.

The press is SUPPOSED to be about holding those in power accountable for their actions. What it’s become in the last 40 years or so is a platform for advertising (at best) and a mouthpeice for those whom it’s supposed to keep in check (at worst). If anything, we need to take them to task and demand that they perform their job in their intended role, which is as a tool for the people instead of as a tool for their corporate or political masters.

rose

February 20th, 2009
12:36 pm

Does anyone thng Burris will go to jail? Orat the least really resign?

AJC/DNC Management

February 20th, 2009
12:36 pm

You’re absolutely right, Dusty, whenever I see the words “journalist,” I just assume he’s referring to his job as obama cheerleader.

I never considered that he was being serious.

Isn’t that just ridiculous?

CommunistAJC

February 20th, 2009
12:38 pm

Joe,
NYPost didn’t claim that Obama was a monkey. Nancy Pelosi was the person the cops were talking about. She co-authored the bill. People like you are so quick to point the finger and call someone racist. No one said a word when cartoonists drew Condi Rice as Aunt Jamima.

And no, Eric Holder is not correct. White people, as you so elegantly put it, don’t want to talk about race because we have better things to think about. We, white people, don’t sit around contemplating about how we can piss of black people. Until blacks can stop calling everyone racists then we won’t get anywhere. I’d love to talk race issues with you. Again, I’m not insulting you or anything.

CommunistAJC

February 20th, 2009
12:41 pm

Joe,
I get angry at comics that make fun of any race. It’s mean and uncalled for. I left out in my previous post that the cartoon was aimed at Nancy Pelosi.

CommunistAJC

February 20th, 2009
12:43 pm

By the way, I just heard the Rep Clyburn just said that the four governors who don’t want to take the stimulus money are racist. Now Joe, how are we supposed to talk about race when people like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and many democrats call people racists for anything they do?

caz1158

February 20th, 2009
12:44 pm

@@-I salute you and your son! Dave R-your dead on!!! DB-Is your world always so gray & confused?

CommunistAJC

February 20th, 2009
12:45 pm

Joe, how are we supposed to talk about race?

Rep. Clyburn has strong words for Gov. Mark Sanford

COLUMBIA, SC (WIS) – Representative James Clyburn held a roundtable meeting to discuss how the newly-signed stimulus package will affect South Carolina.

He said not only would it create jobs, but also repair roads and bridges around the state.

Clyburn also had some strong comments for Gov. Mark Sanford on why he thinks he opposed the stimulus.

“The governor of Louisiana expressed opposition. Has the highest African-American population in the country. Governor of Mississippi expressed opposition. The governor of Texas, and the governor of South Carolina. These four governor’s represent states that are in the black belt. I was insulted by that,” Clyburn said. “All of this was a slap in the face of African-Americans. It had nothing to do with Governor Sanford.”

Clyburn also said that the money is there, and its up to the state to use it to create the jobs.

A spokesman from the governor’s office says, “Representative Clyburn is no stranger to playing the race card, because he has no defense for the runaway spending and the deficits contained in this so-called stimulus bil that will hurt our economy. Spending money at the federal level that we do not have represents a future tax increase on all South Carolinians, regardless of their color – and in the process of doing so, he’s ripping off everyone he claims to represent.”

rose

February 20th, 2009
12:47 pm

The stock market is gOiNg DoWn…….Beating the all time low again.
When is it going to level out??Ever?? It is beating the all time 6 year low.

caz1158

February 20th, 2009
12:52 pm

If the cartoon had said”now who will they get to SIGN the next stimulous package bill”" then I would agree with my LOST friends on the left. I do agree using the term “racism” is overused.And because of that the issue will not go away. Using it incorrectly stirs up fires on both whites & blacks!

StimBill

February 20th, 2009
12:52 pm

Back to the stimulus bill/package and all of its offspring, seems the only people who support it expect to get something from it (at the expense of those who are responsible and work for a living)…

CommunistAJC

February 20th, 2009
12:58 pm

DB, Gwinnettian,
uh, be careful with balls comments, DB, Gwinnettian. Bookman will get mad at you. Pretty funny stuff.

Dave R

February 20th, 2009
1:16 pm

Joe, I agree that the press is SUPPOSED to be fair and impartial when holding people accountable, but that would require journalistic ethics, which many of today’s practitioners lack. (sorry, Bookman, you too)

The First Amendment that guarantees a free press was written in a time when ethics were much more valued than they are today – in all walks of life. It takes a moral and ethical people to live under the U.S. Constitution, which is why it has been hijacked by liberals (mostly) AND conservatives for so long.

And Eric Holder is an idiot who should get out more.

Jay

February 20th, 2009
1:29 pm

DAVE R, it’s a matter of historic fact that the American press of the late 18th and early 19th century was far more partisan and assaultive and irreponsible by today’s standards.

It was, in fact, pretty much like the Internet today regarding its lack of ethics and standards.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 20th, 2009
1:29 pm

“Bookman will get mad at you. Pretty funny stuff.”

Done got mad at me already, looks like. Well, the invitation still stands, even though I can’t actually extend it in a manner I’d like.

Paul

February 20th, 2009
1:32 pm

Pleasant weekend, all -

Joey

February 20th, 2009
1:34 pm

Jay;
This was a pleasant experience. As it usually is on those rare occasions when Jay Bookman the Journalist pops in for a few minutes. Metro Atlanta and the AJC could use more of that Jay Bookman.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 20th, 2009
1:36 pm

As for the NY Post (Reality King, note that it wasn’t the Washington Post) ‘toon itself, my take, if anyone cares, which I doubt —

Ron Reagan was talking about his initial reaction to it, and I admit mine was identical to his. I didn’t see anything especially racist about it, just grotesquely insensitive and unfunny, given the gruesome nature of that chimpanzee attack.

Viewed as charitably as possible, the ‘toon seemed to be saying that anyone who’d authored the stimulus bill should be shot dead. Given the past encounters I’ve had with the NYPost, going back to before Rupert Murdoch owned it and it was just a generally reactionary, low-class rag (and an occasional guilty pleasure), I can’t say I’m surprised they’d run it.

Dave R

February 20th, 2009
1:42 pm

Jay, sorry to burst you’re historical bubble, but back then, opinion was opinion, and news reporting was news reporting, and people understood the difference. These days, there is no appreciable difference between the two.

CommunistAJC

February 20th, 2009
1:44 pm

DB, Gwinnettian,
Ron Reagan is the ballerina, right? The guy who judged dog shows and overnight became a a journalist or whatever he likes to be called.

gttim

February 20th, 2009
1:46 pm

A correction Jay: The NY Times has given up a story on it WEBSITE that she and her lawyers can write. That doesn’t cost anything. She filed a 27 million dollar lawsuit and settled for a web link that will include the NY Times version. She did not even get money for her lawyers. Seems like she lost to me.

tcoach

February 20th, 2009
1:47 pm

Joe, your 12:31
How is obvious that the chimp is Obama? He does not have on clothes (therefore not revealing it sex) Also I thought Reid and Pelosi wrote the Bill, especially since Obama did not read the whole thing.

It does seem like hypersensitivity as well. There have been other presidents drawn as monkies, apes gorillas. I judge and criticize based on decisions and actions, not on color, but apparently some criticisms and name calling can only be used by and against certain people.

Seems like you may be the one who has a racial problem.

Jay

February 20th, 2009
1:49 pm

Dave, you’re just flat-out wrong.

I know you won’t take my word for it, but would you take Thomas Jefferson’s? I mean, he was there.

“I deplore… the putrid state into which our newspapers have passed and the malignity, the vulgarity, and mendacious spirit of those who write for them… These ordures are rapidly depraving the public taste and lessening its relish for sound food. As vehicles of information and a curb on our funtionaries, they have rendered themselves useless by forfeiting all title to belief… This has, in a great degree, been produced by the violence and malignity of party spirit.” –Thomas Jefferson to Walter Jones, 1814. ME 14:46

“Our printers raven on the agonies of their victims, as wolves do on the blood of the lamb.” –Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1811. ME 13:59

“From forty years’ experience of the wretched guess-work of the newspapers of what is not done in open daylight, and of their falsehood even as to that, I rarely think them worth reading, and almost never worth notice.” –Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1816. ME 14:430

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” –Thomas Jefferson to John Norvell, 1807. ME 11:224

“As for what is not true, you will always find abundance in the newspapers.” –Thomas Jefferson to Barnabas Bidwell, 1806. ME 11:118

“Advertisements… contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper.” –Thomas Jefferson to Nathaniel Macon, 1819. ME 15:179

“The press is impotent when it abandons itself to falsehood.” –Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Seymour, 1807.

Dave R

February 20th, 2009
1:53 pm

And newspapers back then printed opinion, as well as news. Sorry. Was there some blurring of the lines? Of course. But nothing like the insidious nature of the media we have today.

RealityKing

February 20th, 2009
1:59 pm

Evidently, what is need is a fairness doctrine. Oh my…

Ted Striker

February 20th, 2009
2:00 pm

Jay — This piece is nicely done. I’ve observed that truth is your compass — and your views are expressed in relation to that standard.

Have a good day, everyone — regardless of political leanings.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 20th, 2009
2:01 pm

Dave R., not only are you about totally off about newspapers of the 16th-early 19th century, you can’t even get right the real “blurring of lines” issues faced by readers today.

Yes, there is most decidedly a blurring of editorial and news (and news analysis, a legitimate journalism genre) these days. But it’s not the newspapers’ fault; it’s the fault of news amalgamators like yahoo, google, and of course the scum merchants like Drudge, Nutmax and the like. to those outlets, all “news” is just a linked story. There might be an identifier that it’s from a newspaper’s opinion page once you get to the link, but until you actually get there, it’s just listed as another “news” story.

That’s not the newspapers’ fault, not at all. And it’s pretty cheezy of you to continue to assert that it is.

Furthermore, my invitation to get to know intimately “the pair” I’ve already got, and thus have no need to “grow”, still stands, even though Jay would prefer I not say so quite so explicitly as before.

Dave R

February 20th, 2009
2:11 pm

DB, you keep mistaking me for someone who walks the conservative line, which is why you’ll never be able to score points against any argument I make.

We all know you need to complain about something; whether it is Bush, conservatives, Republicans, racist cartoons (not), or anything else under the sun.

Just make sure you can be intellectually honest and make sure you READ and UNDERSTAND before replying. Both actions can be very frustrating to the left.

Let's not forget Jounalism of the 19th Century

February 20th, 2009
2:16 pm

Yellow journalism, in short, is biased opinion masquerading as objective fact. Moreover, the practice of yellow journalism involved sensationalism, distorted stories, and misleading images for the sole purpose of boosting newspaper sales and exciting public opinion.
source: http://library.thinkquest.org/C0111500/spanamer/yellow.htm

Taxpayer

February 20th, 2009
2:19 pm

…Advertisements…contain the only truths…Well, Jay, you blew it with relevance on that one.

Mrs. Godzilla

February 20th, 2009
2:22 pm

Bottom of the Dow pool update…..

7358 right now….

if it goes below 7150 mm will be first one out.

What sayeth ye, non-partisan

February 20th, 2009
2:25 pm

Both actions can be very frustrating to the left.

What sayeth ye, non-partisan

February 20th, 2009
2:29 pm

Mrs. G,

Did you folks make any provisions for the likely scenario of some number of DOW components being replaced. I mean, you might not be dealing with a “constant” much longer if these banks continue on their current course.

Taxpayer

February 20th, 2009
2:30 pm

Trickle-down economics sounds a lot like yellow journalism to me.

Wells

February 20th, 2009
2:33 pm

Sorry about the first response.

The cartoon was in poor taste especially since the affected person was in the hospital with life altering injuries when it was run.

Mrs. Godzilla

February 20th, 2009
2:36 pm

nope….the low number for dow….straight up….

we are all wild and crazy guys

cheap thrill seekers….

risk takers….

Hip Hopcracy

February 20th, 2009
2:36 pm

The problem with the Post cartoon is that it wasn’t even funny. Not satirical. A total non-sequitur.

rcs

February 20th, 2009
2:37 pm

Mrs. G,
what was ever decided about the poll? Where do I send the $10?

Mike

February 20th, 2009
2:40 pm

Here is a headline that you can count on Jay not addressing:

“Guantánamo Meets Geneva Rules, Study Finds”

“A Pentagon report requested by President Obama on the conditions at the Guantánamo Bay detention center concludes that the prison complies with the humanitarian requirements of the Geneva conventions, but it makes many recommendations for increasing human contact among the prisoners, according to two government officials who have read portions of it.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/21/us/21gitmo.html?hp

How about that?

Mike

February 20th, 2009
2:42 pm

Jay –

You are correct when you say that:

“DAVE R, it’s a matter of historic fact that the American press of the late 18th and early 19th century was far more partisan and assaultive and irreponsible by today’s standards.”

The difference is that the journalists of their day didn’t deny their partisanship. For example, will you ever admit that the AJC’s news coverage is biased by liberal partisanship?

Taxpayer

February 20th, 2009
2:44 pm

Only one hundred posts. Dang, Jay, your programmer did not have very high hopes for your blog.

Mrs. Godzilla

February 20th, 2009
2:46 pm

rsc

we’re gonna have to go honor system…..when we have a winner…we’ll figure it out….

Mike

February 20th, 2009
2:48 pm

“Only one hundred posts. Dang, Jay, your programmer did not have very high hopes for your blog.”

Well, unfortunately Jay’s audience is limited to me, you and about twenty other regulars. The only reason that there are 100 posts is because a small number of us post several times a day. It’s the same small crew every day.

Hip Hopcracy

February 20th, 2009
2:49 pm

Perhaps Jay will admit that the journalists at the AJC are liberal-leaning on the same day that FOX News admits that it is hardly “fair and balanced”.

…and here I always thought that the op-ed page was SUPPOSED to lean one way or the other…

Jay

February 20th, 2009
2:53 pm

My own work is of course opinion-based, Mike. So let’s take that out of the picture.

I have nothing to do with the news side folks, but I do believe their work is pretty bias free. They strive for it and work hard at it, even if they don’t always achieve it. And they also get a lot of criticism from the left for being too conservative, by the way. When we ran Bush’s departure photo on page one on inauguration day, but not Obama’s, we took a lot of heat for being too right wing. A lot of the bias that’s perceived is in the eye of the beholder.

And taxpayer, that problem is system wide with all our Wordpress-based blogs. Apparently a blog on the Braves loss of Griffey the other night went over a 1,000 comments in a matter of a few hours and somehow blew the system.

Hillbilly Deluxe

February 20th, 2009
3:06 pm

My view is that freedom of the press means the freedom to print the truth or your opinion. It isn’t the freedom to print outright lies. If you’re a public figure you have very little recourse against slander.

I think in the race to be first and of course make money, many news outlets get sloppy and don’t do nearly enough verifying. The 24 news cycle contributes to this although it is good for covering fast breaking stories. Back when Reagan was shot by Hinckley I remember a TV anchor (Frank McGee I think but not sure) telling the staff on the air to get their facts straight. We could use some more of that today.

Taxpayer

February 20th, 2009
3:18 pm

Ouch, Jay. To think that the Braves, yes, the BRAVES, still pull in more interest than your lively topics dealing with stuff that really matters. I have not been to a Braves games since the old stadium was still considered to be “new”.

Of course, I hope you know that I’m just having fun and I disavow any knowledge of any deliberate attempt to be disrespectful or demeaning or insulting or any other such thing that one might deem to be an appropriate descriptor for what I may or may not have written at any given time as opposed to merely serving in the capacity of intermediary or more commonly, “the messenger”.

I like that. I think I’ll make it my post disclaimer…or not. What can I not say. It’s Friday afternoon and I find myself killing a few minutes until time to go pick up my youngster at ye olde bus stop.

Bosch

February 20th, 2009
3:21 pm

Gonzo journalism – that’s what we have more of today – Hunter Thompson fan here.

Hillbilly Deluxe,

I’ve said often here that I feel one of the worst things to happen to our country was the onslaught of 24/7 news.

I remember not too long ago I was at home watching a press conference and as the people at the conference were reporting what facts of the case that they knew – CNN had a scroll bar at the bottom completely sensationalizing the facts as they were being spoken – it was surreal.

A couple mornings ago, I was flicking around the stations, and CNN was reporting the idiot legislators who were making a stink at GSU about the “sex classes.” Well, that story was over days earlier – and the legislators backed down and said, “my bad” which they should have – but DAYS after all that, CNN was reporting it like it was a new story, and they left out the later part of the story where the legislators admitted they were wrong, the professors went before the legislators, etc. they were just trying to bring up stink and sensationalize it.

Nuts!!! That’s probably why Hunter Thompson blew his head off a few years back – well, that and because he was bat shit crazy, but, you know.

AJC/DNC Management

February 20th, 2009
3:22 pm

Jay February 20th, 2009 1:29 pm DAVE R, it’s a matter of historic fact that the American press of the late 18th and early 19th century was far more partisan and assaultive and irreponsible by today’s standards.

Oh, I get it, as long as we aren’t as bad as them other folks………

I have nothing to do with the news side folks, but I do believe their work is pretty bias free.

Come on man, be serious.

When they finally get around to reporting democrat wrongdoing, and it is always only done after the word has gotten completely out already, they never even use the word “democrat” in the “news” article.

This is the same “news” paper that will point out the some child molester once walked by a church so he must be a long time member of it, and splashed this very same fake NY Times article on it’s front page.

duh.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 20th, 2009
3:23 pm

c’ajc, your crack upthread about Ron Reagan being a “ballerina” prompted my reply which apparently didn’t take, I’ll try posting this link again…

Link to AAR’s podcasts

He’s had a radio show for awhile, that’s where I heard the chat about the NYPost ‘toon. Figured you or someone might want to give an MP3 available for download there a spin.

Taxpayer

February 20th, 2009
3:25 pm

Bosch

February 20th, 2009
3:28 pm

Wow, just looked up Mr. Thompson – it appears that he ofted himself four years ago today.

Bosch

February 20th, 2009
3:30 pm

Taxpayer,

How DO you do the eye rolling thing?

Bosch

February 20th, 2009
3:46 pm

Okay, the blog has died down a bit, so I’m here to liven it up:

In honor of Mr. Hunter S. Thompson, who took it upon himself to meet his maker four years ago today, here’s some of his quotes:

“The Sixties were an era of extreme reality. I miss the smell of tear gas. I miss the fear of getting beaten.”

“If I’d written the truth I knew for the past ten years, about 600 people—including me—would be rotting in prison cells from Rio to Seattle today. Absolute truth is a very rare and dangerous commodity in the context of professional journalism.”

“I feel the same way about disco as I do about herpes.”

“Maybe there is no Heaven. Or maybe this is all pure gibberish—a product of the demented imagination of a lazy drunken hillbilly with a heart full of hate who has found a way to live out where the real winds blow—to sleep late, have fun, get wild, drink whisky, and drive fast on empty streets with nothing in mind except falling in love and not getting arrested . . . Res ipsa loquitur. Let the good times roll.”

“We are turning into a nation of whimpering slaves to Fear—fear of war, fear of poverty, fear of random terrorism, fear of getting down-sized or fired because of the plunging economy, fear of getting evicted for bad debts or suddenly getting locked up in a military detention camp on vague charges of being a Terrorist sympathizer.”

“In a nation ruled by swine, all pigs are upwardly mobile—and the rest of us are [beeeeeep] until we can put our acts together: not necessarily to win, but mainly to keep from losing completely. We owe that to ourselves and our crippled self-image as something better than a nation of panicked sheep.”

rcs

February 20th, 2009
3:46 pm

Here’s a little workmanship from the left. Looks like they had a little trouble with FACTS:

Huffpo had posted what appeared to be a video of Fox News’s John Gibson jokingly referring to Attorney General Eric Holder as a monkey with a “bright blue scrotum.” That last bit is a reference to an unrelated news story about a Debrazza monkey that escaped from a zoo in Seattle

It didn’t happen, though. Huffpo now says the video of Gibson was doctored. By whom is unknown. The phony video has been removed from YouTube.

Mike

February 20th, 2009
3:49 pm

“My own work is of course opinion-based, Mike. So let’s take that out of the picture.”

Well, of course, I never implied anything to the contrary. That’s why I said “will you ever admit that the AJC’s news coverage is biased by liberal partisanship?”

“I have nothing to do with the news side folks, but I do believe their work is pretty bias free.”

This statement only solidifies my point. Yes, papers used to be more partisan, but at least they admitted their bias

“They strive for it and work hard at it, even if they don’t always achieve it.”

They might strive for it, but I doubt it. They don’t even come close to achieving it. I worked for Cox Interactive in the 90s and there was no doubt in anyone’s mind that the AJC was biased toward liberal views then and only became more so over time.

“And they also get a lot of criticism from the left for being too conservative, by the way. When we ran Bush’s departure photo on page one on inauguration day, but not Obama’s, we took a lot of heat for being too right wing.”

And if you go to Newsbusters, you will see right-wing partisans accuse many Fox News stories of being too left wing. (It’s hard to believe, but it is true). Hyper-partisan conservatives and hyper-partisan liberals will always be around to complain that any site is not partisan enough for their liking, but that doesn’t say much. Considering how many conservatives have turned away from the AJC, it is not surprising that your reader base has become distinctly left of center.

“A lot of the bias that’s perceived is in the eye of the beholder.”

That is a tired and trite saying that adds nothing to the debate.

I appreciate your response and would ask if you could go a little further with three more Yes/No questions:

Do you believe that the vast majority of AJC journalists are liberal by nature?

Do you think that Fox News is biased towards conservative views?

Do you think that MSNBC is biased towards liberal views?

PinkoNeoConLibertarian

February 20th, 2009
3:50 pm

Taxpayer @ 2:30

I think you have trickle-down confused with tinkled-on. Or maybe not.

Taxpayer

February 20th, 2009
3:52 pm

Bosch,

Sorry, I was away picking up my daughter.

Type “:” followed by “roll” and then another “:” with no spaces between them. You can find this and more here.

Taxpayer

February 20th, 2009
3:53 pm

PinkoNeoConLibertarian,

Is there a difference.

Bosch

February 20th, 2009
3:54 pm

Taxpayer – Thanks! I’m gonna test it:

:roll:

GodHatesTrash

February 20th, 2009
3:56 pm

Ah yes, Mikey, so the folks at Gitmo are reasonably housed and fed in between torture sessions.

Are we a great country, or what?

(Mighty white of us, as you Bookman RightWingnutterbutters would say…)

Jay

February 20th, 2009
3:56 pm

Mike asked:

1.) Do you believe that the vast majority of AJC journalists are liberal by nature?
The majority, yes. The vast majority? No. I know quite a few conservative-minded journalists here, in quite high positions. And like their colleagues, they too work to present the news as straightforwardly as possible. Succeeding all the time isn’t possible; trying all the time is, and most do.

2.) Do you think that Fox News is biased towards conservative views?
Absolutely.

3.) Do you think that MSNBC is biased towards liberal views?
I don’t know. I never watch it.

GodHatesTrash

February 20th, 2009
3:59 pm

Bosch, thanks for the Thompson quotes.

And a big “oink” out to all of Bookman’s RightWingnutterbutters!

Keep whinin’ and squealin’!

Mike

February 20th, 2009
4:04 pm

Jay –

Thanks for the response.

I would tell you that your perception that Fox is biased is because “a lot of the bias that’s perceived is in the eye of the beholder”, but that would be silly. Claiming that Fox is not biased is as absurd as claiming that the AJC is not biased.

In my mind, there is no better litmus test as to one’s partisanship than how they react to ideological peers. For instance if you like Anne Coulter or Bill Maher and are disgusted by the other, that demonstrates that you are a partisan. If you think Nancy Pelosi or Newt Gingrich is fine, but think the other is/was a very flawed Speaker, then you are a partisan. If you think Fox News or the AJC is biased, but the other is not….

Mike

February 20th, 2009
4:05 pm

GodHatesTrash –

“(Mighty white of us, as you Bookman RightWingnutterbutters would say…)”

I would never say racist crap like that. Only hateful bigots like yourself wallow in that filth.

Stop extrapolating your bigotry on others. It is pathetic.

Mike

February 20th, 2009
4:07 pm

Here are some of GodHatesTrash’t hateful and bigoted comments on the Loaf:

http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/BrowseComments?member=oid:359319

And this guy has the audacity to accuse others of making bigoted comments. What a hypocrite.

Mike

February 20th, 2009
4:10 pm

Here is one of GodHatesTrash’s choice statments of mindless bigotry:

“You know, if southern men weren’t so lazy, drunk/drug addicted and unemployable (let’s face it, there are only so many septic tanks that people need drained every day, and that 9th grade Georgia public school edumamacation is only gonna take you so far, NRB) maybe your wives and mothers wouldn’t have to hook to feed your filthy inbred kids… Hats of to CL to providing a valuable social service to redneck women!”

http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/BrowseComments?member=oid:359319

Debate101

February 20th, 2009
4:17 pm

Just because we don’t post everyday, doesn’t mean we are not tuning in to see what the regulars are up too. I read this blog every day. But, I don’t comment, unless I feel the need.

If the AJC uses WebTrends or Omniture, I think it will show that he has a lot of Visits, Visitors and that his page is viewed by many.

Mike

February 20th, 2009
4:19 pm

Debate101 –

No one ever said anything to the contrary. Taxpayer was commenting on the volume of posts and I responded to that statement about the limited number of people who generate those posts.

Jay

February 20th, 2009
4:26 pm

Mike, you make a valid point about Trash, but I’ve worked with him to at least curtail that here without having to ban him outright. He’s been (somewhat) cooperative.

But you’re kind of defeating the purpose by posting that stuff here, if you get my point….

Mike

February 20th, 2009
4:30 pm

Jay –

I disagree. Hateful bigots need to be exposed for what they are, regardless of who they hate.

Frankly, I find that his comments serve no point but to offend and I can’t imagine why someone such a bigot has yet to be banned. You know and I know that if he was here saying the same things about inner city African Americans, he would have been banned long ago. However, because he makes hateful comments about whites, southerners and rural people, his behavior is tolerated. Just my two cents.

Mike

February 20th, 2009
4:30 pm

Looks like I found a great way to get rid of GodHatesTrash. This is third time I have posted a link to his hateful bigotry and this is the third time that he has slunk away in disgrace. I don’t blame him. There is no possible excuse for his hateful bigotry.

AJC/DNC Management

February 20th, 2009
4:33 pm

Stock Market Gives Obama’s First Month An ‘F’-WomenOnTheWeb

Hey, so did I.

How about that coincidence?

GodHatesTrash

February 20th, 2009
4:34 pm

Maybe Cindi was getting a little long in the tooth for ol’ Senator Hensley-McCain, although you’d think he’d have better sense than to fool around on the gal who lets you hang around her 10 or 11 houses, I forget which (and so did he…), so he was probably just puppy-dogging Ms. Isemen, as old men will do when sniffin’ around women more than 40 years younger than them…

And besides, good GOPer that he is, he probably can’t do much more than look without those little blue pills. Remember him checking out Sarah’s tush? He should have called Rush and asked him to share.

(And no wonder McCain is so testy about the economic stimulus – nobody is proposing buying back peoples’ ten-million $ mansions! I bet the Hensley-McCain fortune has taken a pretty good hit, what with them being so into residential real estate…)

GodHatesTrash

February 20th, 2009
4:37 pm

NRB was sticking up for the Stormfronters, Mikey. Stormfronters are ‘murican Nazis and wite supremasissies, Mikey.

I was posting to NRB in a way he would understand.

Dusty

February 20th, 2009
4:38 pm

Well, that’s news. The editors of AJC are not journalists and news reporters so they can present slanted opinions. They can say the President is a absolute *____* case and the biggest liar since Blogo and that is perfectly ethical because that’s an opinion.

Hmmm… I was editor of my high school newspaper (whoopee) so I can give my erstwhile opinion: AJC has some crazy politically prejudiced editors and they hire politically prejudiced reporters whomever they might be. Just my opinion, folks. My apologies to Jim Wooten. Demosthenes would be happy over finding Jim Wooten.

This MIGHT not be true but you have to guess about the whole kit and caboodle. Down with subversive opinions. Up with the trust worthy truth!

Mike

February 20th, 2009
4:41 pm

GodHatesTrash -

Make whatever excuses you want, but only a sick and twisted bigoted mind like yours could even come up with filth like that. Regardless of any political back and forth, you are a disgusting human being and any decent person, liberal or conservative, would be disgusted by your foul and bigoted rhetoric.

In short, you are everything that you claim to hate but much, much worse.

Dusty

February 20th, 2009
4:43 pm

Could be that GOD HATES TRASH is an Editor at AJC and his trash is an editorial!! You know. Editors can give their *&!&%* opinions any time they feel like it. Well, I guess that clears that up…