‘A nation of cowards’ on race issues

I hesitate to post this because, well, maybe I’m a bit of a coward. Or maybe I’ve just seen where discussions like this can take us.

But let’s try anyway. Keep it civil, clean and honest folks.

Eric Holder, the nation’s first black attorney general, said Wednesday the United States was “a nation of cowards” on matters of race, with most Americans avoiding candid discussions of racial issues. In a speech to Justice Department employees marking Black History Month, Holder said the workplace is largely integrated but Americans still self-segregate on the weekends and in their private lives.

“Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and I believe continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards,” Holder said.

Race issues continue to be a topic of political discussion, but “we, as average Americans, simply do not talk enough with each other about race.”

Holder’s speech echoed President Barack Obama’s landmark address last year on race relations during the hotly contested Democratic primaries, when the then-candidate urged the nation to break “a racial stalemate we’ve been stuck in for years” and bemoaned the “chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races.” Obama delivered the speech to try to distance himself from the angry rhetoric of his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Holder cited that speech by Obama as part of the motivation for his words Wednesday, saying Americans need to overcome an ingrained inhibition against talking about race.

“If we’re going to ever make progress, we’re going to have to have the guts, we have to have the determination, to be honest with each other. It also means we have to be able to accept criticism where that is justified,” Holder told reporters after the speech.”

101 comments Add your comment

getalife

February 18th, 2009
5:29 pm

New sheriff in town.

CommunistAJC

February 18th, 2009
5:29 pm

Jay,
I like talking about race but I don’t really think about it that much. Did MLK not want us to be color blind when it came to society? My best guy friend is black and we have been friends since high school. We have never had a bad discussion on race and treat each other with respect. Yes, he can jump higher than me but not by much. We’re both 6′ 1″ and enjoy playing each other in football. We were both wide receivers in high school. I love striking him out with my split finger fast ball. It’s so funny to watch him throw his bat in anger. But, it’s all good.

Class of '98

February 18th, 2009
5:42 pm

I agree with his words, as long as he meant to address people of ALL races, and I think he did. “…We have to be able to accept criticism where that is justified.” ALL RACES need to be able to accept criticism.

@@

February 18th, 2009
5:43 pm

I truly believe that a man is to be judged by the content of his character, not the color of his skin.

I know some white and black people of questionable character for whom I do not care.

I know some white and black people of strong, admirable character whom I love.

You may wanna talk to those liberals who refer to black conservatives as Uncle Toms and Sambos though.

They need a tongue lashin’.

@@

February 18th, 2009
5:52 pm

Bosch:

Pretend like I didn’t write this post, but please read this article and the H.R.1 EH? link

It was slipped into the stimulus bill and clearly points out where there’s potential for the government to restrict healthcare. You have aging parents — be sure and read what the government will watch over them.

“Do not go quietly into the night” Bosch.

@@

February 18th, 2009
6:02 pm

That’s HOW the government will watch over them.

Sheesh!

IHB

WhoCares

February 18th, 2009
6:05 pm

People are different. People like to be different. Get over it.

DebbieDoRight

February 18th, 2009
6:12 pm

Living here in the south where race is the number one topic, (at least it seems like it is to me), I’ve become burned out on the issues of race. Growing up in Washington state, race wasn’t as big of an issue as it is here. Here in the south people still gawk at interracial couples, (especially ones that aren’t the norm, like bf/wm or am/wf or bf/hm), and act as if we’ve escaped from planet Zorm or something it gets tiring after awhile. It’s not that I’m not open to a rational discussion on race, it’s just that many people have such outmoded ideas of the races as a whole. I cringe when I hear rhetoric about how “All Mexicans are alcoholics” or how “All whites are racist”. When I point out that these statements couldn’t possibly be true, I’m worn out from the ignorance.

There is only one race, that’s the human race, and yet we act like we’re so dissimiliar in our wants and needs. We all crave the same basic things, but somehow we are sometimes bogged down in trivial matters such as pigment, and we end up missing the big picture. I have never let pigment stop me from making friends or meeting new people.

AJC/DNC Management

February 18th, 2009
6:16 pm

Holder is a lib and he speaks of what he knows.

Other libs.

Don’t speak for me, klanner.

Paul

February 18th, 2009
6:17 pm

President Obama and others like AG Holder are going to have to lead on this. I daresay many white politicians view it as a no-win situation, when anything that can be interpreted as a slight will get one branded a racist. Ask Geraldine Ferraro, late of the Clinton campaign.

Heck, look at some of the terms used to describe Condoleeza Rice. Or General Powell. And they didn’t even say anything – just went about their lives.

But I am glad they are both tackling this issue. In public. So far, without much criticism (unlike Bill Cosby). Pres Obama’s remarks last Father’s Day in Chicago led to a bit of… angst. The remarks lately have been pretty general. It has to get more specific. And that’s when the invective will fly.

Jay banned certain words on this forum. Possibly, when discussing such issues, if people would not use words such as ‘racist’ or their synonyms and stick to the issues we’d make progress.

Hope you have another thread ready, Jay. This one’s going to be a bit thin on comments.

GiveMeABreak

February 18th, 2009
6:22 pm

Cowards? No. Cautious? Absolutely!!! Maybe no one talks about race frankly because someone always gets their panties in a wad up when truths about discrimination of race are discussed, regardless of the source. And when that happens, they don’t hesitate to use your own “candid discussion” in a witch hunt against you.

Paul

February 18th, 2009
6:24 pm

Hi DebbieDoRight

[[Here in the south people still gawk at interracial couples, (especially ones that aren’t the norm, like bf/wm or am/wf or bf/hm]]

Really? And I’ll bet the gawking isn’t done solely by white people, either. But those relationships are in the south. Progress. That’s good.

A followup from our discussion a few threads down – not to string it out – about the responsibilities of Congressmen to their districts (and senators to states) vs to the nation. Sure they have to work together for the country’s good – but they often see good vastly differently from their political opponents. Both parties in recent memory have shut the minority out – which is why I’ve said Pelosi has out-Delayed DeLay.

An example – when gas prices were so high – Republicans thought the national good was through drilling where we could, even offshore. A barrel we produce here is a barrel we don’t have to import (simplifying greatly). Spkr Pelosi led the fight to continue the ban on offshore drilling (she had a coastal/environmental California constituency to worry about). Many Reps saw her action as putting her district and personal views above the country’s good. Just like many Dems see Reps who opposed the stimulus package.

It’s the nature of the beast.

AJC/DNC Management

February 18th, 2009
6:30 pm

Gee, why do I get a feeling this guy won’t be getting the “Madoff” treatment?

A video posted on the firm’s web-site shows Stanford, now sought by U.S. Marshals, being hugged by Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and praised by former President Bill Clinton for helping to finance a convention-related forum and party put on by the National Democratic Institute.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha, oww!

Scrubbing some past columns, Jay?

Crack me up, these libs worked SO HARD to tag the Republican party with these scam artists and I’ll be damned, they’re in bed with…………..Pelosi.

ew

Democrat peanut farmers from Georgia, anyone?

@@

February 18th, 2009
6:32 pm

Anybody else getting baseball size hail at their house?

GiveMeABreak

February 18th, 2009
6:34 pm

CommunistAJC

February 18th, 2009
6:38 pm

More corruption from Nancy Pelosi and Bill Clinton:

Accused Financier Under Federal Drug Investigation
Authorities: Stanford May Have Laundered Drug Money for Mexican Cartel

By JUSTIN ROOD and BRIAN ROSS

The SEC’s fraud charges may be the least of accused financial scammer R. Allen Stanford’s worries. Federal authorities tell ABC News that FBI and others have been investigating whether Stanford was involved in laundering drug money for Mexico’s notorious Gulf Cartel.

Authorities tell ABC News that as part of the investigation, which has been ongoing since last year, Mexican authorities detained one of Stanford’s private planes. According to officials, checks found inside the plane were believed to be connected to the Gulf cartel, reputed to be Mexico’s most violent gang. Authorities say Stanford could potentially face criminal charges of money laundering and bribery of foreign officials.

Authorities say the SEC action against Stanford Tuesday may have complicated the federal drug investigation.

The federal investigation, however, did not stop Stanford from using corporate money to become a big man at last year’s Democratic convention in Denver.

A video posted on the firm’s web-site shows Stanford, now sought by U.S. Marshals, being hugged by Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and praised by former President Bill Clinton for helping to finance a convention-related forum and party put on by the National Democratic Institute.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6907429&page=1

Eleanor Rigby

February 18th, 2009
6:40 pm

What is there to talk about? It’s a black thing and you wouldn’t understand.

RW-(the original)

February 18th, 2009
6:43 pm

@@,

More like golf balls in Gwinnett, but they sure came through fast. Let us know you’re OK.

Midori

February 18th, 2009
6:45 pm

You may wanna talk to those liberals who refer to black conservatives as Uncle Toms and Sambos though.

*************************************

I wasn’t aware that I needed a white person’s “permission” to call people of my race what they really are.

AJC/DNC Management

February 18th, 2009
6:48 pm

Question is, will the democrats return the pilfered money to all those po investors?

Huh, huh?

Yeah, riiiiggghhhttttttt.

Midori

February 18th, 2009
6:50 pm

Speaking of blatant racism, and people who need a “talking to”, what’s your take of the cartoon that ran in today’s NY Post, @@?

fed up

February 18th, 2009
6:52 pm

Midori “I wasn’t aware that I needed a white person’s “permission” to call people of my race what they really are.” What are they?

DB, Gwinnettian

February 18th, 2009
6:54 pm

To be honest, I think I’m going to have to digest Holder’s statement a little longer before I can comment. It comes as some surprise.

But first, an odd, and somewhat ironic, personal recollection. Few weeks back I became aware of Holder’s appointment to Obama’s cabinet. It was mentioned that he would be the first African American in this post.

At which point I actually said out loud to my better half, “This is going to sound weird, but I’d never thought of Holder as black.”

She said, “You mean, you’re just like Stephen Colbert. You ‘don’t see color’.”

I laughed, of course. But yeah, I really had kind of stopped thinking about skin color in the context of these things. Obviously each milestone is, and should be, a source of pride for African Americans, and I’m not trying to downgrade this one.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 18th, 2009
6:55 pm

Holy crow, @@, I just saw your comment. You ok?

No hail here.

Davo

February 18th, 2009
6:57 pm

He’s a racist…big surprise. Like alot of blacks he feels he’s entitled to keep the issue of racism out front and center; play to all that ‘white guilt’ out there. If he wishes to think of himself as a minority then more power to him; pathetic but there you go.

I’ve got nothing to feel guilty about; and neither should anyone else.

Taxpayer

February 18th, 2009
7:00 pm

Jay,

Some of your topics sure pull up some forgotten memories for me. Of course, I have to think back to my days of required attendance at Affirmative Action and Corporate Diversity classes — some of which lasted an entire week at a time. We got full pay and meals and room and board in nice surroundings in some cases but it sure wasn’t what one would call a pleasurable experience. In fact, some of them got rather intense. I still remember one person walking out of one of those one week sessions and not long afterward, he left the company. Of course, that particular class was deemed to be one of the more controversial ones that was designed to be “in your face” confrontational. To this day, I’m not convinced that the the outcome came close to what was likely desired. Then again, who knows. Sometimes, the best you can hope for is to chip away at those stigmas, etc., a bit at a time.

Taxpayer

February 18th, 2009
7:04 pm

Anybody else getting baseball size hail at their house?

No, it’s sunny, clear skies, 72°F here with the birds chirping and the deer romping with the dogs here. Must be a sign.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 18th, 2009
7:05 pm

“I love striking him out with my split finger fast ball.”

Crap, you’re a MSTie and a pitcher?

You keep making it hard to loathe your online personality, c’ajc.

Paul

February 18th, 2009
7:05 pm

Midori

“Uncle Toms” and “Sambos”? Can you please clarify what that means and how a person earns such a designation?

DB, Gwinnettian

February 18th, 2009
7:06 pm

“He’s a racist…big surprise”

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Dusty

February 18th, 2009
7:06 pm

@@, the hailstorm passed my house about 45 minutes ago (NE ATL here). It really made a racket on my roof and I’m afraid to look at my car parked in the open. Ice cubes from heaven. I could do without that.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 18th, 2009
7:08 pm

Paul, “Uncle Tom” was the protagonist of a very popular Harriet Beecher Stowe novel of the 19th century.

“Sambo” was the protagonist of a children’s tale about… I think it was making butter.

HTH.

Davo

February 18th, 2009
7:09 pm

My mistake…I re-read his statements…he wasn’t talking about white on black racism, rather black on black racism.

Right?

Ray

February 18th, 2009
7:10 pm

I have been called a racist in many of my posts on this blog. I did not vote for Buckwheat because I do not like him or his politics. It is already becoming evident that he will let in every illegal who cares to cross our borders and pay the ones still in Mexico to stay there, courtesy of the Amnesty Bill which will most certainly pass this ACLU body that we call a Congress. He has already given away more money than the whole Iraq war cost, in a single day, with his “Stimulus Package”. And this is just the beginning. He has only been in office for less that a month, yet he has already outspent Bush by a country mile.
A dialog about race, you say? Let’s start with Holder looking at the societal problems along with their price tag, that the black community has hung around the necks of the American taxpayer. Trillions have been spent throwing money at problems since l964 and we are still mired in crime, welfare handouts, subsidized housing, paying little to no taxes, affirmative action and preference in the hiring place, just to name a few. All in the name of a “level playing field”. When is the field going to level, Mr. Holder? When is the black community going to become Americans without a hyphen. Until this happens, most of white America will be hesitant to have a dialog with anyone.

A few suggestions….

The dialog is being held with the wrong people. Mr. Holder, John Lewis, Maxine Waters, Andrew Young, Je$$e Jr., Franklin Raines, Big Al, Je$$e Sr., Cynthia McKinny, Cynthia Tucker, the mayor of Atlanta…. the list goes on. Have any of these so called leaders ever ventured down into those parts of the city where the dialog is needed the most? I would doubt it. And when someone from the white community doesn’t like what is going on, when we fear that we are spending too much money on a loosing cause, we state it. And then who are we? Racists, for sure. So much for dialog.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 18th, 2009
7:12 pm

“I have been called a racist in many of my posts on this blog. I did not vote for Buckwheat ”

That’s as far as I got.

FU, “Ray.” Preferably with a rusty chainsaw. With sand for lube.

(That civilized enough for ya, Jay?)

fed up

February 18th, 2009
7:15 pm

Ray you would have done a lot better with your points if you hadn’t started with that buckwheat stuff. That’s uncalled for and you wonder why you might be considered racist.

CommunistAJC

February 18th, 2009
7:15 pm

DB, Gwinnettian,
I played baseball all my life. My cousin is a pitcher at Auburn. He may well be on his way to the pros. Loves Tim Hudson, also an Auburn grad. Anyway, Maddux and Smoltz are my all-time favorite baseball players. I learned how to pitch watching those two guys. Keep the ball low and you will be ok.

Davo

February 18th, 2009
7:16 pm

I like Ray, smart guy.

Paul

February 18th, 2009
7:16 pm

Ray

[[ I have been called a racist in many of my posts on this blog. I did not vote for Buckwheat because I do not like him or his politics.}}

Sentence 1: no kidding.

Sentence 2: double no kidding.

That’s as far as I got.

Taxpayer

February 18th, 2009
7:16 pm

Maybe it was Yellow/Black on Red/Black racism. After all, everyone knows that those low-life Bulldogs are not worthy of more than shining a yellow jacket’s stinger.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 18th, 2009
7:20 pm

c’ajc, I’m willing to admit I love baseball enough that while I think the Gwinnett Braves stadium is a taxpayer funded boondoggle, AND I’m not a Braves fan (my loyalties are to that National League franchise from Flushing), I plan to see a lot of minor league games this year with wife + kid.

I’m actually pretty psyched.

Oh, and to keep this on-topic: Racism is bad, ‘k kids?

T

February 18th, 2009
7:23 pm

Cowards? I think so. I also believe it is a lack of wanting to understand different cultures.

However, I have yet to understand “white guilt”.
What is it?

Paul

February 18th, 2009
7:27 pm

DB, Gwinnettian 7:08

Thanks. What I was really interested in, paraphrasing here, was Midori’s assertion that people of one racial group don’t need permission of another racial group to refer to members of their own group with certain labels. Before going further, I thought it best to understand what she means by those terms and how a person earns such a reference.

Taxpayer

February 18th, 2009
7:27 pm

Until this happens, most of white America will be hesitant to have a dialog with anyone

That’s where you are wrong, Ray. You and your kind are the new minority and rightfully so. I would not dream of engaging someone like you in an effort to change your perverted views because I know that people such as you are truly a lost cause. I can only hope that you are also a dying breed. It’s for the best, you know.

DebbieDoRight

February 18th, 2009
7:29 pm

Paul: Yes I know that there are good and bad people in both parties, I’m just a little bewildered as to why both parties can’t come together for the good of the nation. To me, some of these politicians are acting like spoiled children, more concerned with their wants and needs than the greater good of the country. Remember that old verse we used to type to judge typing speed? “Now is the time for all good men to come to the aide of their country”. What happened to that attitude?

Paul

February 18th, 2009
7:35 pm

DebbieDoRight

I suppose some of them are serving. But look what happens to them, how McCain was viewed by members of his own party, for instance. Or the three Rep senators who voted for the bill. It can be difficult to do when facing reelection and not even your constituents, but national groups with an agenda, throw tons of money with the ‘anti’ ads during campaign time.

But, I’ll venture, most of the people with that attitude can be found, like your husband, serving in the military. Where, based upon some I’ve known, topics such as the title of this thread are met with “huh?” (In other words, “it’s not an issue so why do I want to talk about it?”)

Midori

February 18th, 2009
7:36 pm

Paul,

I think your skills would be better used on Ray.

getalife

February 18th, 2009
7:40 pm

The elephant in the room is whites are scared to death of being the minority because of how they treated others when they were the majority.

Scared of the karma .

@@

February 18th, 2009
7:41 pm

Just popped in to say I’m good. I’m hearing there was a funnel cloud spotted not far from the house and there may be more to come.

I do have a knot on my head but other than that…..

Good

to

gooooooooooooooooooo

kerplunk

DebbieDoRight

February 18th, 2009
7:45 pm

When my dad was in the military, and on the rare occasions that the family traveled with him during an overseas tour, I noticed that when in another country, all the Americans stuck together, no matter what their color. Why can’t the same attitude work here in the states?

Getalife: Geesh!! I HOPE no one is thinking that!!!

Rumpole

February 18th, 2009
7:48 pm

Well, Jay, I admire Mr. Holder for his abilities, and I think he will make a fine AG. However, I don’t see any useful purpose in saying that Americans are cowards not to talk about race issues, In my experience we talk too much about race. Perhaps people of different races can talk responsibly about race one-on-one when they have known each other for awhile, worked together, and respect each other as persons. But generalized discussions about “race” are dangerous. Either someone wants to “prove” he is not racist, or he wants to explain why he is. Nothing gained. What the race issue needs is some “benign neglect,” not in public policy terms but in sounding off terms. Manners is what is needed; and manners often is just good old useful hypocrisy. We should not say everything that comes into our minds, especially on this subject. What we need to do, whether black, white, red or yellow, is to live decent lives which show respect for others. You know, what we tell children to do. The best discussion about race is not in words, but in lives decently and respectfully lived.

Class of '98

February 18th, 2009
7:48 pm

Getalife, I’m looking forward to whites being a minority. Then maybe my kids can get college scholarships with 900 SAT scores.

Paul

February 18th, 2009
7:51 pm

Midori,

Thanks, but I don’t really want to go there!

getalife

[[The elephant in the room is whites are scared to death of being the minority because of how they treated others when they were the majority.

Scared of the karma .]]

I made the same comment once to a group of high-ranking military officers when the topic was Pres Clinton’s gays in the military thing. They, ummm, didn’t exactly appreciate the comment…

BTW – I found a bottle of that Dripping Springs. It’s in the freezer. Now sounds like a good time. I’ll have one for you. Skoll!

DebbieDoRight

February 18th, 2009
7:52 pm

[[But look what happens to them, how McCain was viewed by members of his own party, for instance. Or the three Rep senators who voted for the bill. It can be difficult to do when facing reelection and not even your constituents, but national groups with an agenda, throw tons of money with the ‘anti’ ads during campaign time.]]

I guess I’m a romantic then. I still think one person can make a difference. I spent years as a social worker, (until I just couldn’t take it anymore); checking in on kids who should’ve never been sent back into abusive homes, seeing 13 yo’s pregnant from their mother’s boyfriend or an uncle or some random boy they think will save them from their miserable lives; yet I still thought I made a difference.

PS: Last year at Christmas, a girl I had mentored, (Big Brothers Big Sisters), looked me up online and sent me an email via my facebook account — she told she’d never forget me and how much I had meant to her. It made me feel like all those years probably weren’t wasted at DHS.

getalife

February 18th, 2009
7:52 pm

Debbie,

When my ancestors came off the boat in New York, they were called names and could not find work. So, they organized and took over. They were scared to death of Sicilians in New York City.

The lesson of this story is to treat others well because you never know when they will take over.

Taxpayer

February 18th, 2009
7:53 pm

Class O 98,

You don’t have great expectations for your kids. Take a chance. Hope that they break 1000. Give ‘em a hand to help them along even. 8O

T

February 18th, 2009
7:54 pm

Rumpole

Nice. Great words to live by.

@@

February 18th, 2009
7:57 pm

Midori:

Put your blackness aside and think of yourself as a woman (I know that’s hard to do, you bein’ so ballzy and all) but is it O.K. for rappers to refer to black women as “b’s”, “ho’s”, receptacles and servants?

The NY Post cartoon? I already explained that to Getalife somewhere downstairs. Art is subjective. Several ways that cartoon can be perceived.

A dead monkey on the backs of taxpayers……future generations of taxpayers.

We’ll need somebody else to write a new stimulus bill after this one does us all in.

We, the taxpayers, own the stimulus bill. The owner of the chimpanzee wanted “the pet” shot.

All of those who voted for the stim bill haven’t evolved economically speaking. I mean it is a repeat of FDR’s New Deal. It wasn’t his spending that got us out of the depression, it was WWII.

Political cartoons encourage thought. They’re not a “one shot” deal.

RW-(the original)

February 18th, 2009
7:58 pm

I noticed that when in another country, all the Americans stuck together, no matter what their color.

DebbieDoRight,

Isn’t that the same self segregation Eric Holder is talking about, except substituting nationality for race?

getalife

February 18th, 2009
8:06 pm

You are reaching on that toon @@.

The majority think that monkey is the President and think it is disgusting.

Reminds me of all the outrage you and your friends spewed about Mike’s toons.

Remember, treat others well because they will take over soon.

Davo

February 18th, 2009
8:07 pm

America Needs To Have A Superficial Conversation About Race
http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/america_needs_to_have_a

Stereotypes Are A Real Time-Saver
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33210

Paul

February 18th, 2009
8:10 pm

DebbieDoRight

I’m sure you did make a difference, also with many you’ll never know. My sister drive a lonnnng way each day and teaches at a heavily disadvantaged school. She started a number of years back when she was a romantic idealist (she still is but was younger then) and she’s hitting burnout. But then, she’s sitting at her desk way after hours and a head pops into the doorway with a “Hi Mrs. Teacher!” It was a young man she’d had as a rambunctious fifth grader who told her because of the time she spent with him and the faith she instilled in himself he was going on to college. And that, she said, is why she does what she does.

But boy, is she getting tired. And not to put a damper on it, but the other day when I asked her how it was going she allowed how now she’s now the only white teacher in the school (she’s also one of the longest serving, with the top rating for the No Child assessment test, tutors at risk kids, etc) and some of the comments and behaviors from other teachers have been less than professional (racially directed). And it hasn’t been in the “I can take that either way” meanings. Too bad. We kinda hope each generation will progress in some ways. Doesn’t always happen.

Don’t want to get all ‘down’ here. She still loves the kids.

Pleasant evening, all -

AJC/DNC Management

February 18th, 2009
8:11 pm

getalife February 18th, 2009 7:52 pm The lesson of this story is to treat others well because you never know when they will take over.

Isn’t that sweet?

All you guilty white liberals stowed your pointy little caps, pulled the flaming crosses out of the yard and voted a black man into the highest office in all the land.

And, turns out, it ain’t……………enough.

Time for some more mau mauing, bozos.

Paul

February 18th, 2009
8:12 pm

Enter your comments here

Eleanor Rigby

February 18th, 2009
8:13 pm

Ray,
What does President Obama, the Harvard educated president of the United States, have in common with a silly little child with a bad haircut? The only thing they have in common is they both have a black father, as do millions of other people. Since you insist on referring to President Obama as “Buckwheat”, one can only assume the real problem you have with him is the race of his father; therefore, Ray, you are a racist. I think we would all appreciate it if you would just be honest about. At least be honest with yourself.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 18th, 2009
8:14 pm

“black on black racism.”

Davo, that’s an oxymoron. when you, and millions of others of my general ethnic background, come to realize that it’s impossible for a black person in the USofA as currently configured to be “racist”, then maybe we can move forward on this thing.

Racist, no. Bigoted, stupid, whatever, sure.

As I’m fond of saying, bigots come in all shapes, sizes and colors.

But racism is the subjugation of one group by another; and such a thing is impossible in a democratic republic to be practiced by a minority against a majority.

Call that “white guilt” if you like. It’s a fact, Jack.

getalife

February 18th, 2009
8:16 pm

Change is constant Andy.

Hell, your party wants to socialize the banks.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 18th, 2009
8:17 pm

“All you guilty white liberals stowed your pointy little caps,”

ajc/dnc, what I told Ray @ 7.12? Goes double for you. With ground glass for lube.

c’ajc, you know what’d do you some good? Pick up a printed copy of the NYTimes and read the dam thing, every day, for a month.

Seriously. Get some of what you claim is the “liberal media” as your primary news source for just a little teeny-tiny bit. You’d realize that

a) it’s not so “liberal” after all, and

b) Fox News sucks.

Later, all.

Midori

February 18th, 2009
8:21 pm

@@

February 18th, 2009
8:28 pm

Getalife:

The majority think that monkey is the President

Well that doesn’t say much for your majority now, does it? Why would you guys think of a president as a monkey? Why did you guys think Bush was a chimp?

Class of '98

February 18th, 2009
8:30 pm

DB< Gwinnettian, I DO read the NYT everyday. (And the LA times, and SF Chronicle, and a bunch more).

It only makes me more conservative.

Thanks for playing.

AJC/DNC Management

February 18th, 2009
8:33 pm

al-Gitmo: How true, and when you subtract those that are truly horrified by the actions of the race baiters, next time around, the majority is going to be a lot lighter than it was last time.

Keep bringing this “discussion” up about people that you do not even know and see where it all ends up.

Karma, you called it?

@@

February 18th, 2009
8:35 pm

Midori:

That’s Roland Martin’s perspective and he’s entitled to it, just as I am to mine.

On the stimulus bill, the buck stops with Obama, not Pelosi. He’s responsible for letting her write it. He’s responsible for signing it knowing no one had read the entire bill.

Eleanor Rigby

February 18th, 2009
8:35 pm

I agree with T. Rumpole has the right idea.

Ray

February 18th, 2009
8:36 pm

Eleanor, Midori, Taxpayer, Trash, etc,

Where was all the indignation when McCain was called all of those names by those in the black community. Don’t you think that those of us who thought he was a better candidate would wince every time Trash came up with those age posts that were so cruel, so inane and so racist. It is obvious that he is black but who called him a bigot? How does it feel? All those comments about the “idiot” Palin and her family. Guess when they are made by a black blogger, they’re alright. Some of the most cruel and bigoted comments ever posted on a blog came from all you up there on some pedestal, so far above the fray, so anointed with what is “right” that you forget that there is a person attached to those comments that you make. Or maybe you didn’t. Are you suggesting that we all be selective in our criticism? Let’s all overlook Mary K. Bilge when she says that America is the most racist and bigoted country in the world. But she hasn’t done too badly in it. No one is calling her names. And there is Kanye West who states that Bush hates all black people. And who called him on his comments? Certainly not someone from the black community. Does anyone black ever say something wrong? Are none of them racists and bigots. Obviously to many of you, the answer is no.
A dialog? It’s still being held with the wrong people.

AJC/DNC Management

February 18th, 2009
8:36 pm

Let me put it this way- Obama can be an American or he can be an African-American.

His choice.

Guess which one will be better for this country.

radiowxman

February 18th, 2009
8:41 pm

Cowards? Or gunshy? I’d say the latter.

For far too long, we have been pounded over the heads about how racist this nation is compared to the rest of the world. All the while ignoring the blatant racism that abounds in Europe, the Middle East, Asia and elsewhere.

Which is why I have been shocked over Cynthia Tucker’s columns recently advocating the merging of HBCUs and the elimination of Black History Month.

America is a country that is apologetically non-racist. So much so, we continue to perpetuate separation between the races. For example, many black college students have to deal with the assumption they are there because of their race, not their achievements.

The good news is that I think our younger generations are moving past this. I play on a sports team with guys from every part of the world, and no one really cares what color skin they are. My 18-year old cousin’s friends include people of many races. My young son’s class is a melange of races, colors and creeds and no one cares. I am in an interracial relationship and have never encountered any problems.

But back to the point — If we want to have a real dialogue about race, then white people need to get over the perception they may be called racist if they have any critique or criticism about another group; and minorities need to be able to listen and compose a thoughtful response instead of using a knee-jerk epithet to squelch a conversation.

@@

February 18th, 2009
8:42 pm

DDR:

You’ve done good if you touched one child’s heart.

To hear some liberals on here talk about my work…..I’m a retard teaching useless retards.

Doesn’t matter what they say, I’m touching hearts and the kids are touching mine. It’s the ultimate sharing experience.

AJC/DNC Management

February 18th, 2009
8:47 pm

Ray February 18th, 2009 8:36 pm Don’t you think that those of us who thought he was a better candidate would wince every time Trash…….It is obvious that he is black

Ray: Not even an outside chance.

Your boy, GHT, is guilty white trash liberal who has obviously done some wrong in his recent past and is confused about it, so he is directing his inbred, ignorant liberal anger upon decent people that do not think like him.

—————————->He is flogging his own race because of things that he did.<—————————-

Meanwhile, those of us who are married to “minorities,” those of us who employ “minorities” and those of us who have befriended “minorities,” are like totally disgusted by the sick POS liberal mofos that run around confessing sins that we did not commit.

Let them speak for themselves.

(I only use the word minority because I am communicating this message to a bunch of sorry pinko liberals, so I have to use words that they understand. Some of us don’t see skin color.)

And we are better than you are.

Eleanor Rigby

February 18th, 2009
8:56 pm

Ray,
I agree there is a whole lot of ugliness and bad behavior on blogs. It’s so easy to be insulting when you don’t have to face the one you are insulting. I don’t have the time or patience to comment on all the ugliness. It wouldn’t change anyone’s behavior anyway. I just get tired of you saying you are not a racist, and then following it up by calling the president Buckwheat.

getalife

February 18th, 2009
8:57 pm

fed up

February 18th, 2009
8:59 pm

getalife you said “The elephant in the room is whites are scared to death of being the minority because of how they treated others when they were the majority. ”

I am not scared of being the minority because I haven’t treated anyone with anything but respect. I try to treat people the way they treat me. I don’t care what color they are.

I disagree with the post (forgot who) that said black people can’t be racist, that’s crazy as He!!. Some are. Just like some white people are, some latinos, some asians, etc.

@@

February 18th, 2009
9:12 pm

Midori and Getalife:

Just a reminder…..neither of you answered my questions.

Question for Midori @ 7:57

Question for Getalife @ 8:28

I’ll check back in. I’m watching Sawyer.

Tank

February 18th, 2009
9:15 pm

It’s time we as American’s start being more inclusive by doing away with things that set us apart, such as Black History Month. Why is it even called Black History Month? Isn’t African-American History Month more appropriate? For that matter, I want to start celebrating my Anglo-American History Month. How about we start celebrating the following: Irish-American History Month, Japanese-American History Month, Latin-American History Month, Icelandic-American History Month, American-Indian History Month. The list goes on.

Why is it okay to have Historically Black Colleges (HBC’s)? CHow is that inclusive? Why don’t we hear of Historically Asian Colleges or Historically Hispanic Colleges? By and large, it is segments of African-American society which keep racism and segregation alive, fanned by liberal politicians who capitalize on this “Keep The Dream Alive” mentality.

Stop highlighting your diversity and become an American.

DB, Gwinnettian

February 18th, 2009
9:18 pm

“I DO read the NYT everyday”

Print edition? really?

RB from Gwinnett

February 18th, 2009
9:19 pm

“The elephant in the room is whites are scared to death of being the minority because of how they treated others when they were the majority”

Getaclue, I think you’ve hit the nail on the head with this one! Congrats! Problem is, I, and almost every other white person who lives today has never treated blacks in any negative way whatsoever. Hence, the problem. Whites are still being held responsible for the actions of whites from generations ago when the reality is we had nothing to do with it. I will not EVER apologize for slavery or for any treatment of blacks because I have NEVER treated any black person with anything short of respect.

You’ve sure hit the nail on the head, dimwit. I’m fed up with being called a racist because I’m white. Sick of it.

BTW, moron, by your statement, you called me a racist. YOU are part of the problem that needs to be eliminated.

getalife

February 18th, 2009
9:22 pm

@@,

It goes back to 1857. Google it.

I never called w chimp. Called him an idiot and worst ever.

Ray

February 18th, 2009
9:24 pm

Eleanor,

I could call him a precinct, big govt Chicago political hack with a gift for gab. Would that make you feel better? Payback is a mother. My calling this idiot Buckwheat is mild compared to all of the rhetoric that the liberals paid to Bush, Cheney, McCain and Palin.
Back to the subject of dialog. Lets pick a subject that seems to be prevalent in our country right now. How about the male prison population, 48% who is black represented by only a 6% segment. How does Holder propose to have dialog about that? Is he going to have a talk with the boys in the hood? I doubt it. The responsible part of the black community is just as upset about this statistic as those of us who are considered “racist” for even bringing it up. The unwritten rule is that you cannot criticize something black if you are a white person. Not even a president. Let’s have some dialog about that, Mr. Holder.

Taxpayer

February 18th, 2009
9:26 pm

Ray,

I’m glad you came back. You clearly thought about what others, including myself, posted and you responded. First off, I don’t know what other people said about other people and the reality is that those other people are going to have to deal with it in order to make any personal headway. You know what I mean. Racism, bigotry, they’re things that each of us has to face up to by looking inside. This is not something that’s easy to do especially if you see things going on around you that do nothing but reinforce certain feelings. But, some things are actually a whole lot easier to talk about anonymously as long as there is a true desire to at least understand other perspectives and not worry about whether or not everyone else is willing to do the same.

Anyway, Ray. Tell me. What did you think after you read what I posted. Did it hurt. Did you feel anger. Do you hate me for what I said. Does my color make a difference. What if I were a black or a Latino driving up and down your street playing some raunchy music and yelling out at some white chick walking down the street. What if I were a white dude driving up and down the street playing raunchy music and yelling out at some white chick. Tell me what you think but keep it clean, OK.

getalife

February 18th, 2009
9:28 pm

RB,

Talking about the older generation in the civil rights movement moron. Like the guy who apologized to Lewis for beating him.

You sound guilty.

fed up

February 18th, 2009
9:37 pm

Getalife, why would RB “sound guilty” for what he said? Why would you call him a moron?You didn’t clarify (at least I don’t see it) that you meant the older generation in the civil rights movement. You said “The elephant in the room is whites are scared to death of being the minority because of how they treated others when they were the majority.” That sounds like right now not the civil rights movement era.

GodHatesTrash

February 18th, 2009
9:43 pm

I was enjoying a quiet evening with friends, but I see some of Bookman’s RightWingnutterbutters are debating my racial background (what an idiotic thing to do on an anonymous blog in cyberspace).

I want to be judged not by the color of my skin, but by the content of my character. And the ankle-grabbing oogedy-boogedy blathering cowards and clowns that comprise the Bookman RightWingnutterbutters don’t have an ounce of character in their spineless scared-stiff bodies, so their opinions of my character (or anyone else’s) have all the import of a fart in a hailstorm to me.

I am not a racist. I have observed that stupidity, arrogance, fear, hatred and ignorance are bigger impediments to the human condition than racism, but that racists are likely to suffer from all of the above. The wailing, whining, and moaning of the Bookman RightWingnutterbutters comes from their fear, their hatred, their ignorance, their arrogance (most definitely), and maybe, just maybe, from their racism.

And their vicarious lust for war and violence. After all, at the bottom of any racist attitude is a belief in a “dog eat dog” world.

And that is the core belief of the Bookman RightWingnutterbutters.

getalife

February 18th, 2009
9:44 pm

fed up,

That is civil with me and RB. There are still some younger generations that are racist. Tends to filter down from their parents.

AJC/DNC Management

February 18th, 2009
9:49 pm

GHT: You live in a world that does not exist and for you to admit that it does not exist would make your life nothing but a meaningless world of bravado and bluster.

And to think how it would kill you to know how the real world just laughs at your silly as-s.

Bozo.

AJC/DNC Management

February 18th, 2009
9:51 pm

America is better than you are and without your “boogeyman” you have nothing.

Well, I guess rampant idiocy is “something.”

fed up

February 18th, 2009
9:52 pm

getalife okay. You’re right about some of the younger generations, it does stem from their parents. I think the younger generations are less worried about the color of someone’s skin than even my generation and I’m not that old (yet).

GHT…..you should have stayed with your friends.

Midori

February 18th, 2009
9:52 pm

They love to hate you Sir Trash.

Jealousy? They know they can’t touch you.

Yes, I’ve called Bush a chimp. Several times. It’s because HE LOOKS LIKE A BLEEPING MONKEY!!!

Getalife: appears you’ve struck several nerves yourself :)

Ray

February 18th, 2009
9:58 pm

Taxpayer.

The folks in my neighborhood are not bothered by cars driving down the street playing raunchy “music” and yelling at girls, whatever their race. I live in a neighborhood that is half black/half white with a few Asians and Latinos thrown in. My black neighbors are mannerly, responsible, self reliant and well educated, just like most of the other people in my neighborhood. The problem with Jamal driving down any street with his “music” blaring and his windows rolled down. It’s usually Monday or Tuesday in the middle of the week and he should be at work. But he is one of the 26 or so percent of unemployed black makes who pay more for the wheels on their cars than the car is worth.
I probably paid for those wheels. I am tired of being accused of being a racist because I don’t like what he is doing. I don’t feel anger, Taxpayer, just a sense of desperation at what Jamal has become. I don’t care who he yells at….. it doesn’t make a damn to me. I just wish he would get a job and become a responsible American. I’m sick and tired of paying his bills.

fed up

February 18th, 2009
10:02 pm

@@ guess you’re not going to get your answer from midori…..not unusual from what I’ve seen, she’s like that. Good night all.

@@

February 18th, 2009
10:02 pm

It goes back to 1857

Just how old do you think I am Getalife?

I hold the same opinion as RB’s 9:19 about past indiscretions regarding blacks. Heck! My great or great-great grandparents were probably working the fields right alongside them.

Apologies are empty words if one doesn’t have anything to apologize for.

You and Midori have always been buds, maybe you’d like to answer for her……

Why do you think she called Bush “a chimp”?

You can’t answer the woman question since you’re not one. Why do you think she’s failed to answer the question about rappers calling black women “b’s”, “ho’s”, receptacles and servants/slaves to men?