On October 5, 2007, opening night of the Thrashers 2007-8 season, Atlanta Spirit co-owner Rutherford Seydel stood by as the 2006-07 Southeast Division Championship banner was raised to the rafters of Philips Arena. He took control of the microphone as it was hoisted up and made a promise, a vow, to the 18,707 fans that had packed into the arena…and everyone else in the greater Thrasherville community. He assured us that night that he and the other co-owners would do everything in their power to bring a Stanley Cup championship to Atlanta.
I remember this event very well. My wife and I were sitting in section 319 along with our two sons. Just six months prior we were in 316 for the first playoff game in team history, feeling the upper deck shake when Eric Belanger scored the first ever post season goal for the Thrashers.

Rutherford Seydel stands by as the 2006-07 Southest Championship banner is raised to the rafters of Philips Arena. That night he promised the AS, LLC would do everything in their power to bring a winning team to Atlanta. It was a promise that went unfulfilled (AJC/Pouya Dianat)
Unfortunately, Seydel’s promise was not only to go unfulfilled but as we now painfully realize, icing a competitive NHL team was in fact never the intent of the Atlanta Spirit, LLC, (Lies, Lawsuits and Contempt). His pledge that night was nothing more than hollow words uttered by one-eighth of an ownership group that never planned to put forth any effort whatsoever to back them up.
Just a few days after that opening night, I posted my first “Ice Man” blog on this site. By then we had had already seen the team drop the first two games and were on their way to six straight defeats to start the season. But before game number seven was played they fired head coach Bob Hartley…the only coach ever to take them to the playoffs and the only one ever to lead them to beyond 83 points in a single season.
I wrote a blog that day saying “good-bye and thank you” to coach Hartley…a man I had gotten to know and respect while my oldest son attended a couple of his hockey camps. In that opine, I indicated that the only true measure to gauge whether or not the move was the correct one or not would me determined by how the team fared afterwards and by who he was replaced with.
Of course, the person that finished the season behind the bench was general manager Don Waddell, whom so many felt should have been the man departing Thrasherville instead of Hartley. The team finished that campaign with a record of 34-40-8 for 76 points. They followed that up with another 76 effort during John Anderson’s first year as head coach then 83 in his second and least season. Last year they posted 80 points with coach Craig Ramsay at the helm.
I’ll leave it to you to determine whether or not the move to replace Hartley was a success or not. I think you all know where I stand on that issue.
AS, LLC: The Roots That Caused The Tree To Rot
While I understood that there were serious issues facing this Thrashers organization the day Waddell announced Hartley’s departure, what I didn’t quite yet have a firm grip on back then…something every Thrashers fan should have now…was just how deep the roots of the true problem with this organization ran. It was easy to point a finger at the only GM the franchise had ever had…really easy… but the fact of the matter was that the tips of the root system that was rotting the Thrashers tree forked in eight other directions…one to each of the partners that made up the Atlanta Spirit, LLC.

Bob Hartley will be remembered as the only head coach to lead the Thrashers to a playoff berth. Thanks to the AS, LLC's lack of commitment to success, the team never came close to that level of play after he was released (AJC file photo)
From the day they took over the Thrashers, Hawks and Philips Arena, the AS, LCC members admitted they were not hockey people. But over the course of time we began to understand that they not only had no clue what they were doing as owners of an NHL franchise, they actually had a certain disdain for the them as well as their the fans. As such, they were treated as unwanted stepchildren.
The Spirit Boys took over at a time in the Thrashers history when the team was moving up in the hockey world. In the years leading up to that banner-raising night in the fall of ‘07, they had gone from 74 to 78 to 90 then to 97 points and a playoff spot. This team had no issues putting butts in seats on a regular basis back then…even to the point where there was talk on this blog about a “sellout jinx” as they had a habit of playing below par in front of a full Philips Arena.
It was a “jinx” the Spirit Clowns made certain we would not have to worry too much about in seasons to come.
A packed Philips Arena was not much of a worry here the past four years because Levenson, Seydel and the rest of the Great Octocluster choked off funds needed to keep top-tier talent, the main cause of the organization’s Player Retention Deficit Disorder. First it was Marion Hossa departing Atlanta at the trade deadline of 2008 along with Pascal Dupuis…who also scored for the Thrashers in their first playoff game…for such superstars as Erik Christensen, Colby Armstrong, Angelo Esposito and a draft pick. The revolving talent door continued to spin leading up to the departure of Ilya Kovalchuk two winters ago.

Ilya Kovalchuk departed Thrasherville in February of 2010. He was not alone in understanding the owners of the team he played for made playing here futile. It is they who should hang their heads in shame (AJC/Curtis Compton)
Hossa, Kovalchuk and others departed Thrasherville for pretty much the same reason…the owners lacked a commitment to do what was necessary to build a successful franchise here and so they decided to take their talents elsewhere.
All the while, the Octocluster remained distracted with their years-long legal battles amongst themselves.
As if this wasn’t enough to turn Atlanta area hockey fans sour to their product, co-owner Bruce Levenson…the person the rest of the Spiriteers deemed the most qualified to represent the hockey portion of their little investment…employed such PR skills as calling a season ticket holder a “smart ass” during a town hall meeting. Later in that gathering when he was asked by another paying customer about rising ticket prices at the same time the on-ice talent level was being lowered, Levenson said we would have to just “deal with it”.
Insulting the people who they expect to shell out major coin to enjoy their product…yup, Brucie boy, that’s an excellent way to endear yourself and your team to the local sports community.
The Atlanta Spirit ‘Disposes’ Of Its Unwanted Stepchild
But today, the most dysfunctional and pathetic ownership cluster flop ever to stain the fabric of professional sports delivered their final insult…final slap to the face…to those who supported and followed the Thrashers. After running the team straight into the ground…after running the team at bargain basement levels at or just over the league minimum…after lying to the fan base for six years about their desire to “dispose” of the team…after displaying a contemptuous demeanor towards you and I…the seven remaining co-owners collected their millions and spirited the Thrashers off to Winnipeg, Manitoba.

Whether Don Waddell was coaching from the bench or performing GM duties, the team he was responsible for placing on the ice was often times simply too painful to watch...for the fans and the players (AJC/Curtis Compton)
They will say that they had no choice…that there was not enough fan support to attract buyers intending to keep the team here. They’ll once again point the same finger of blame that was wagged in our faces last winter when Michael Gearon, Jr announced their desperate attempts to unload the team. They’ll say and do all of this, that is, if and when they acquire the intestinal fortitude to publicly answer such questions.
But to the notion that the fans here are to blame for what the Atlanta Spirit did to hockey in Atlanta I have but two words:
Bravo Sierra.
The responsibility rest squarely on the shoulders of the giant steaming pile of EPIC FAIL known as the AS, LLC…and I will toss in their willing accomplice Don Waddell, who for seven years merely serviced this team at bare bone levels and met payroll.
Unfortunately, none of this does anything to heal the pain that is felt by Atlanta hockey fans…and sports fans in general. You know what happened here, although so many across the continent may not. Anger, frustration…these words do not do justice for what we feel towards the individuals who inflicted this upon us.
One day I’d like someone to ask them all if they felt any shame for the damage they inflicted here…damage that could not have been any worse if they deliberately intended to do so. But feeling shame is a quality reserved for souls that actually give a damn about anyone outside of their own personal spheres. So looking for such with this group would be a bit much to ask.
And Finally…A Vow To You, Atlanta Spirit Boys
And so on behalf of the good people of Thrasherville, I would like to address the following to those directly responsible for this disaster…Mr. Seydel, Mr. Levenson, Michael Gearon Sr., Michael Gearon Jr., Ed Peskowitz, Todd Foreman, Beau Turner and even Steve Belkin.

The beginning of the end of the Thrashers. The Atlanta Spirit, LLC take over as owners in 2004 (AJC Staff Photo)
In the spirit of that now-infamous “vow” from Rutherford Seydel to fans on October 5, 2007, I now make a solemn pledge to each and every one of you.
We will not forget you and we will not forget your names. But most importantly we will not forget what you collectively did to destroy NHL hockey in Atlanta, nor shall we forgive you for your actions.
It is a promise…a pledge…that I am quite certain will be kept far better than the one you made to us that night when the one-and-only Thrashers championship banner made it’s way up from the ice of Philips Arena.
516 comments Add your comment
DWTOO
June 2nd, 2011
10:50 am
If True North were forced to keep the team in Atlanta – for beyond one year – I would sign up for season tickets. However, I do think it’s a stretch to think it would happen in one year. With committed ownership and effective management the season ticket base could be expanded to the 13,000 number over a period of 3-5 years (oh no another five year plan).
Alan R.
June 2nd, 2011
11:11 am
Rob S: I disagree about Chicago’s season ticket base. Dollar Bill had the money to throw away as the season ticket base there dwindled due to his not giving a damn.
The season ticket base here dwindled because our ownership wasn’t just inept, it was malicious.
Dave K
June 2nd, 2011
11:24 am
BOYCOTT the Hawks, BOYCOTT Philips, BOYCOTT the Gladiators while they’re a Jets affilliate, until those MORONS sell. WHO’S WITH ME????
DWTOO
June 2nd, 2011
11:32 am
R/L – what’s the over/under on the BOG? This appeared to be the proverbial slam dunk.
Dave K – spare the Glads, they’re looking for a new partner. As for the others I only attended one Hawks game and no concerts, but, will not darken the doors/floors of the Arena until the ASG is in bankruptcy court.
Tristan
June 2nd, 2011
11:39 am
Dear Thrashers, what we had is dead, marry another.
Zombie Steve
June 2nd, 2011
12:10 pm
Viva la Gladiators
kreedham
June 2nd, 2011
12:13 pm
As I’ve said before, I hope many of you will flock to the Gladiators as season ticket holders, partial season or just a few games. With enough support they can eventually move up and get an AHL franchise. I live an hour and a half from Gwinnett but will go to a game or two!
For those of you Thrashers fans that also enjoy the Hawks…don’t go until ASG has sold them!
jwizzle
June 2nd, 2011
12:23 pm
Bill, at the end of this growing thread you should print this out and send it to the ASG (insert expletive).
Rawhide
June 2nd, 2011
12:44 pm
Howdy gang…a couple of quick notes here:
1. Look for a new blog post later tonight, maybe in the morning.
2. Mr. Ecclestone at TJs would like to have us all out there Saturday night to enjoy game 2 of the SCF. Who all is in?
jwizzle – I have been told that some of the Spirit Boys have aleady seen it. I’m sure it was received with as much caring as they showed all of us in the past 7 years.
Red Light – As always, outstanding work in digging up those facts.
Atlanta Flames Fan – You and I had the same plan…too bad neither of us came up with the right numbers.
Thrashers ??
June 2nd, 2011
12:45 pm
Hey Thrasher diehards…Stop bashing the owners and city that recieved your team. They were offered the chance to buy a team by the NHL and previous team owners, so they did? OOOHH now your bashing the new teams ownership, thier fans, thier city?? Just becuase the new fans are willing to sign up to 3-5 year contracts for over 50,000$ for thier COMMITMENT TO THEIR New team? DID your fans have to commit to 5,000 a yr in 3 weeks? Did the corporations in the city 7x as big as our little town commit.. They have in our little town? Look at your selves..what was a cheap seat going for in the arena?? If you want the trolls to disapear look at your selves. You want me to trash your city? becuase you lost a team I won’t..Unless you continue.
Red Light
June 2nd, 2011
12:48 pm
If Atlanta’s hockey fans truly want to make a statement to True North Sports and Entertainment and to the NHL’s Board of Governors, one way to do it — even though it may seem a bit late at this point — is to pledge their support in the event that Winnipeg’s fans fail to reach their lofty goal of 13,000 season tickets sold. Hey, it couldn’t hurt!
See the sample e-mail a few of us just sent:
http://sportssoutheast.com/index.php/component/content/article/255
Red Light
June 2nd, 2011
1:05 pm
Since my first drink is free, I’ll see you there Bill!
Rawhide
June 2nd, 2011
1:12 pm
Red Light – Yes indeed…time for me to pay up for my mistake of chosing the Wings over the Sharks. Looking forward to seeing ya there.
Thrashers? – Here is a better thought. Why don’t you go out and start your own blog about your new team…either on the WFP, another fine local newspaper’s web site or even your own personally created blog site. That way you can begin to gather like-minded fans to chat about your new team, the league and sport in general. Heck, you can even rip all over us and the city of Atlanta all you want, if that’s your pleasure.
I’m quite certain you can create and maintain a quality blog site with at least as much traffic as we get here. Run along now…and good luck with that.
DWTOO
June 2nd, 2011
1:16 pm
Thrashers ?? – Most here are venting frustration at the trolls from up north who felt the need to venture onto an Atlanta fan blog and gloat. Personally, I have never posted one negative thing about your fair city. Never been there, so it’s hard to form an opinion. Like every place else it probably has it’s good points and bad.
However, what do you expect when you come here? Everyone to say nice things. In the future please keep to your Winnipeg Sun blogs and leave us alone.
SouthernFriedHockey
June 2nd, 2011
1:29 pm
2. Mr. Ecclestone at TJs would like to have us all out there Saturday night to enjoy game 2 of the SCF. Who all is in?
If I can get a pass I will be there
Wienerpeg Trolls
June 2nd, 2011
1:31 pm
Thrashers ?? – Time trolling is time spent not learning how to spell, in your case. Bad enough to be a troll, but illiterate too? Not a good sign…..
litz
June 2nd, 2011
1:33 pm
Bill – Where is TJ’s, and what time for the gathering?
Puckhead
June 2nd, 2011
1:46 pm
Joe
Since 2000 the Braves have outdrawn the Tigers by 3.5 million fans – We already seen the Falcons outdrew the Lions your o-16 is noted as is our 4-12 season. The Pistons have outdrawn the Hawks (with really bad Hawk teams in the last 10 years) by 2.2 million people. Of course we know the Red Wings out drew the the Thrashers. This whole exercise points to if you win people show up – if you don’t they won’t. Sort of like build a car people want and they buy it – don’t and they won’t.
Good luck with your city in the future. I think mine will be just fine.
BoltsFan
June 2nd, 2011
1:55 pm
As a diehard Lightning fan I want to send my deepest condolences to the fans of the Thrashers and the city of Atlanta. I went to a number of games in Atlanta while studying at one of your universities and wish that something could have saved the team. While we were division foes I certainly wanted the team to exist and thrive in Atlanta. I feel punched in the stomach and know that is only 1/100th of what you all must feel. I just hope in 20 years circumstances change and the NHL is brought back with a passionate owner such as the one we have in Jeff Vinik here in Tampa.
What we learned today...
June 2nd, 2011
2:12 pm
Found out the ASG locked up our Corporate Suite renewal at Philips 3 months ago… the package included non-hockey options with reduced pricing or floor seats for Hawks games. Smart of the ASG to lock up corporate money ahead of the sale, but don’t tell me the move wasn’t premeditated
Also, a smug sabres fan ( I know, that is redundant) here at work wanted to pile on about the thrashers leaving town. I guess he and the other ‘hockey’ fans in town haven’t figured out they have seen their last live Red Wings, Flyers, Rangers, Maple Leaf, Sabres et al game… I will remind him of that first time Buffalo travels to Manitoba
HawksStaying!
June 2nd, 2011
2:30 pm
An informed source tells me that the Hawks are no longer for sale! I was told they were for sale only if someone wanted the completed package. Since TSNE only bought the Thrashers the Hawks are off the market (unless someone offers too much). Can’t believe the ASG has the nerve to maintain a visible presence in ATL.
Uncle Milty
June 2nd, 2011
2:40 pm
Sorry you had to lose your NHL franchise. Hopefully one of your city’s leaders in the business community will eventually purchase another of the myriad of NHL problem franchises and that you’ll also relocate the ASG – ASAP. I may hail from Winnipeg but can also state without qualification that Atlanta is without a doubt one of the best cities on the planet and that all of the people that I’ve met there were most welcoming and friendly. Hopefully someone will purchase the Phoenix Coyotes and move them to Atlanta. I think I can speak on behalf of most fans here by saying that our NHL would gladly include Atlanta and NOT Phoenix.
ATLfan
June 2nd, 2011
2:44 pm
Curious if attendance for Hawks will change after Thrashers sale… Looks like boycott is not widely expressed in media. I will hate to know ASG getting better business after ruining hockey.
KLS1
June 2nd, 2011
2:47 pm
Look at the markets Bettman has created, Nashville, Raleigh, Columbus, Miami…these teams would love to play in Atlanta.
And maybe they will some day…
Tom
June 2nd, 2011
2:54 pm
Why was the Bouchard interview not done 2 years ago. It is a story Rawhide covered many times but the national media had built this thing about Don Waddell being a good guy and not wanting to go after him.
http://podcast.tsn.ca/tsnradio/bouchard_053111.mp3
Listening to Bouchard reminds me of the quote “At least kiss me before you f$#% me.”
We never even got kissed…
Smoothie
June 2nd, 2011
3:02 pm
Sage – do you have a passion for ANYTHING in life other than being a royal dick bag?? Seriously, if you must come on this here blog to pat yourself on the back for predicting something that came to pass, then you must be very short on reinforcement in your own miserable personal life. Why continue to belittle and taunt the few too many good folks in this town who possessed a passion that was actually worthwhile compared to your lousy ego-stroking, garbage-spewing “crusade of truth” that occurs on a weekly basis in an online forum for a paper with declining readership. Do you pose as someone else on FOX News and bash Republicans over the head with George W’s many failures?? Did you see the Great Recession of 2008 in the deep well of clairvoyance and wisdom in your depraved mind?? Will you please do us all a favor and just make like the Thrashers and go the F$%k away!!
Rawhide
June 2nd, 2011
3:06 pm
litz- It’s located on Holcolm Bridge Road east of 400 and just west of the river.
Here is a link to there web site….and here is a link for directions.
SouthernFriedHockey – If you need a wife-pass, just let me know…I have a secret pass-printing machine here. I’ll have Trixie print ya off a few.
Uncle Milty – Very kind and gracious words. Enjoy the team and maybe your scenario will come to pass.
BoltsFan – Nicely said…thanks.
Smoothie
June 2nd, 2011
3:12 pm
Dan Bouchard should be our next mayor. He nailed it in every way with his interview with TSN. This is Bettman’s agenda and the deal was “done” as soon as Glendale’s city council pledged $25M to buy him off for the empty promise of a fiscally viable future beyond 2012.
Red Light
June 2nd, 2011
3:29 pm
Dan would be a great mayor except for the fact it would then be known as City All because “h’s” aren’t his strong point.
H2
June 2nd, 2011
3:31 pm
The Thrashers had a decent fan-base that reached across all lines. Particularly the African-American base…I’m one of them! Of course, let me emphasize strongly my comments aren’t about race per se, but poignant in my comment is – the Thrashers fan base reached across all lines. I will miss them in Atlanta and I feel like something was stolen from me…twice! The Flames as a kid, and now the Thrashers. Yep, I feel like I’ve crossed into the “Blue.”
SouthernFriedHockey
June 2nd, 2011
3:52 pm
Mr. Bill- Just have one ready so I can bring back proof…lol
Definition of Irony: Former Jets end up in ATL after Thrash move to ‘Peg. Just put the Delta logo on ‘em…
Section-310
June 2nd, 2011
4:38 pm
Could be that Atlanta will have another NHL team. Phoenix, Columbus, Florida, Nashville. But Bettman has to put a team in Quebec City first.
Let’s just hope that the new owner loves hockey and wants good hockey in Atlanta.
ASG love was basketball, not hockey. The Thrashers were an after thought with the ASG. So they want to sell the team. Tthey break the Thrashers away from the arena and the Hawks, so no one will buy them locally. Any new owner of the Thrashers would have to rent Phillips and split or get no revenue from the arena, parking, advertising, etc….
Hell evan the idiots of ASG would not buy a team under those conditions.
It is as simple as that. Look how hard the NHL worked to keep Nashville from moving to Hamilton. Look how hard they worked to keep Phoenix. And they sell the Thrashers in 3 weeks.
Thrasherville – we were set up by Bettman and the greedy owners who just want the $60 million moving fee.
Zombie Steve
June 2nd, 2011
4:48 pm
I wonder what will become of the Thrasher head flamethrowers that were perched in the rafters of the Bulb?? I’d mount one on the roof of my car and go ASG hunting.
Dwayne
June 2nd, 2011
6:13 pm
Zombie, I’ll give 10 bucks toward the purchase, after its mounted on you car.
litz
June 2nd, 2011
6:27 pm
Looks like after today’s update, they’re up to 4700-ish seats sold, mostly still cheapies, and this is from the existing Moose STH base.
Be VERY interesting to see Sat when the public sale hits, how many of the uber-expensivo seats sell, and how quick.
That’s 40,000 bucks (across 5 years) *per seat* at the top pricing tier.
kreedham
June 2nd, 2011
6:40 pm
I say to True North…if you don’t reach your goal then delay the move for a year, let us show what we can do with committed owners, then a new owner will arrive in Atlanta, he’ll buy Phoenix and then we’ll trade teams.
I can dream can’t I?
kreedham
June 2nd, 2011
6:42 pm
litz, that’s interesting that it’s mostly the cheap seats as I thought the Moose STH would be more inclined to buy mid and high price seats while the newbies would buy the cheaper seats! Doesn’t sound like they’ll be much in the way of cheap left by Saturday.
Atlanta Flames Fan
June 2nd, 2011
6:43 pm
@Litz,
Where did you get those numbers?
Atlanta Flames Fan
June 2nd, 2011
6:54 pm
@Litz,
Never mind, I found it.
ZAvalanche
June 2nd, 2011
7:10 pm
@ Smoothie – that was one of the funniest first lines I have ever read!
@Uncle Milty – thank you for finally posting something with class. Enjoy your team and see you in the bleachers. Although a lot of people here say they won’t support the NHL, I am in for life and will perhaps make a trip to MB just to see my boys. Do me a favor though, for the first game, hold up a sign saying “Uncle Milty Says Hi to Atlanta”.
kracker
June 2nd, 2011
7:56 pm
When is the TJs gathering?
kracker
June 2nd, 2011
7:59 pm
This is a pretty futile effort, we know that, but for those wanting to add their name to a petition advocating voting against the sale and/or relocation, go here:
Petition To The NHL Board of Governor’s
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/saveourthrashers/
litz
June 2nd, 2011
9:00 pm
kreedham – it is interesting, isn’t it?
not only LONG terms they tie you up for, but mongo-expensive too.
my section 311 seats @ philips ($999/seat) are $2880 up there for the equivalent … at a 4 year committment, too.
kracker
June 2nd, 2011
9:05 pm
wow, litz…almost 3 to 1, for upper level!! Those Winnipeggers must be making some big bucks! Lower bowl must cost well into the $4-5-6K range….lots more for near the glass.
Mr Bill
June 2nd, 2011
9:15 pm
I heard that the Braves have been sold to a group in Winnipeg they are stealing everything.
Mr Bill
June 2nd, 2011
9:23 pm
Maybe the Check will bounce or the league of Governors will vote against it, hey anything is possible.
litz
June 2nd, 2011
9:34 pm
Kracker – glass is 8550 per seat
Rhythmpenguin
June 2nd, 2011
10:00 pm
Thanks Bill and all the regulars (posters and readers) for being great Thrashers fans and great fans of hockey! I hope that we can continue to talk hockey here for many seasons to come.
kracker
June 2nd, 2011
10:06 pm
Wow, litz, 2 glass seats for 4 years – $68,400! ….I say again, those ‘Peggers must be really well off.
help!
June 2nd, 2011
10:27 pm
looking to buy my first jersey. can someone advise what size will fit best for me – I am 5 feet 10 inch, 170 pound… and I will not any equipment.