Outside of losing to Canucks, ‘it was a wonderful game’ for Thrashers

I didn’t make it to last night’s game…instead I attended my son’s JROTC annual military ball. However, I have viewed the highlights and read some of the write-ups about it and from what I gather, it pretty much came down to Vancouver making the most of the chances afforded them and one Mr. Roberto Luongo.

Well, there’s a reason why the Canucks have the best record in the NHL I guess. Good teams find a way to work out Ws and make their goalie’s efforts stand up.

With the 3-1 win in Atlanta…their seventh consecutive on the road… Vancouver set an all-time franchise record with 24 wins away from home this season. Their 49-17-9 record for 107 also sets a new high for that organization.

Bryan Little streaks past Vancouver's Mason Raymond on his way to the Thrashers only goal Friday night. Canucks goalie Roberto Luongo stopped the other 30 shots he faced in the 3-1 win over Atlanta (Photo Michelle Rivers)

Bryan Little streaks past Vancouver's Mason Raymond on his way to the Thrashers only goal Friday night. Canucks goalie Roberto Luongo stopped the other 30 shots he faced in the 3-1 win over Atlanta (Photo Michelle Rivers)

For the Thrashers, it was another game in which they played well but allowed things to slip away during a short window of time. Two second period goals by Vancouver was pretty much all the scoring needed by the visiting team. Mason Raymond started things off 5:08 into the period and Alexandre Bolduc doubled the lead 7:16 later …the first going five-hole on Chris Mason, the other zipping over his glove on a breakaway.

Bryan Little’s solo-effort tally was the only goal that beat Luongo, who saved the other 30 he faced.

Thrashers coach Craig Ramsay pointed to that small stretch of time as the deciding factor in the game. “Five minutes”, he lamented. “Five minutes where we tried to do a little too much and we got trapped. Against a good team you can’t get trapped where you are stuck on the ice.”

“Other than that it was a wonderful game.”

Ramsay’s had a lot of chances to make that kind of evaluation after games in the last two and a half months.

Moving forward, the Thrashers will go from facing the best the league has to offer to the last place in the east Ottawa Senators. The Sens will be in town for a Sunday afternoon matinee tomorrow and with a win, coupled with a Panthers loss to Pittsburgh, would actually climb out of the east’s basement.

Then the Thrashers will begin their 2011 Spring Spoiler Tour to close out the 2010-11 campaign. Tuesday night they’ll begin a five-game road trip that will take them to Montreal, Philadelphia, Boston, Nashville and New York to face the Rangers. All of those teams are currently jockeying for playoff positioning.

They’ll close out the season at home against the Carolina Hurricanes and Pittsburgh Penguins.

Following their 4-3 win in Tampa last night, the Canes remain three points behind the Buffalo Sabres who hold the final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference.

Buffalo topped the Florida Panthers 4-2 Friday night.

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March 26th, 2011
11:43 am

that loss was on Mason, both goals should have been easily stopped

Joe Friday

March 26th, 2011
11:44 am

What a wonderful loss!

Good grief . . .

Frosty the snowman

March 26th, 2011
11:54 am

Just looked at the player stats…. we have one player(Ladd) that MIGHT get 30 goals. No other player has 20 goals, none! We may have one player that reaches 60 pts at seasons end.

R. Stroz

March 26th, 2011
12:00 pm

Did Ramsay hand out gold stars after the game too? Ice Cream?


March 26th, 2011
12:02 pm

Rammer is seeing the silver lining. Was a good effort against the best team in the league. Vancouver is damn good. I almost never say this, but this a loss a team can build on. Put up that effort against nearly any other team in the league and it is a win. Luongo is having a stellar year and very fun to watch. Keep in mind that I very much dislike the Canucks (same division as Colorado) and was hoping for a Thrashy win – though I thought it was going to be a blowout. Only good thing about Vancouver probably getting the President’s trophy is that, statistically, the President’s Trophy winner usually doesn’t win Lord Stanley’s Cup (only 29% of the trophy winners have gone on to win the cup).


March 26th, 2011
12:10 pm

Zavs – You are probably correct in your interpretation of Ramsay’s comments. But to me, we’ve had too many “wonderful losses” as Joe Friday put it.

On a completely different note…I’ve been told The Curtain of Shame was taken down and the 400s section was open last night. Can somebody give me the 411 on that?


March 26th, 2011
12:15 pm

Aint it the 2nd home game in a row the curtain was dropped? I was out of town for the Philly S/O win on St Pattys Day but I thought I read that the curtain had been lowered for that game as well. Hoping for an extra stellar crowd to impress the Balkan who arrives in ATL this weekend?


March 26th, 2011
12:19 pm

Smoothinator – I was in 215 for the Philly game, so I could see if it was or not.

R. Stroz

March 26th, 2011
12:23 pm

The “curtain of shame” has been down the last two games. However, I believe the curtain was pulled down in preparation for the Hawks vs. Heat game on March 18th.

The Spirit Clowns probably don’t want to pay to put it back up.


March 26th, 2011
12:43 pm

Rawhide – I agree on the “there have been too many wonderful losses comment. But at this point I think a positive attitude is better than saying “we sucked”. However, that being said, a good reaming is needed every once in a while.


March 26th, 2011
12:47 pm

“a good reaming is needed every once in a while”

Oh my.


March 26th, 2011
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March 26th, 2011
1:05 pm

That 5 minute lapse cost them the game…..if 5 minutes is ok, lets try for a 10 minute lapse next time, then 15, 20, etc etc….way to go whisperer….


March 26th, 2011
1:10 pm

Luongo won that game. He made saves I have never seen before. He is really in a league all by himself right now. He is huge. The net looks small behind him. While it was a loss, it was a great game minus the 5 mintues we got trapped in their zone. We lose some bad ones, but this was not one of them. Very entertaining. Vancouver earned those 2 points that could have easily gone to the Thrashers if Lou hadn’t played like gold medal Lou.


March 26th, 2011
1:13 pm

Yes, Luongo played well last night, but I would personally love to hear reasons why we won on a regular basis instead of having to hear excuses why we lost.


March 26th, 2011
1:14 pm

I was not impressed at all with Vancouver. For being the supposed best team in the west, they didn’t look it. They will probably fold in the first round of the playoffs. Atlanta played hard and physical in the first period, then I guess our loser coach told them thas was enough and it was time to go back to Ramsay’s pacifist brand of hockey, aka losing hockey. If any team from last night’s game should be asking questions it should be Vancouver asking how in the world did one of the worst teams in the NHL keep us in check the whole game? Get rid of Ramsay, you get a contender next season. Keep Ramsay and you keep losing. And that’s that!


March 26th, 2011
1:18 pm

If you watch Ramsay’s comments you can see that he was pissed, and in no way did he think the game was “wonderful”. Our play outside the five minutes might have been “wonderful”, but I don’t believe he was anything other than frustrated with the guys’ inability to transfer his strategies from practice to the games successfully last night, and for the entire season.
I love Ramsay as a coach and believe his even keel demeanor is the best strategy for the long haul. I would never succeed playing for a coach like Tortorella, and believe his in your face strategy works for the short term, but inevitably results in a team tuning the coach out. I find it difficult to believe that the best players in the world (the NHL) cannot motivate themselves to be their best. It is the coaches job to teach them the strategies to both maximize their individual abilities and to achieve success as a team. If a player at this level, making millions of dollars, cannot motivate himself to be his best for eighty (or 100) 2 1/2 hour games a season – that’s 200 to 250 hours folks – then I don’t want him on my team. That’s a total of only 6 forty hour work weeks! Do you expect your boss to motivate you to succeed in your career? Do you hire people who have to be yelled at to succeed? Do you yell at your employees? Why do we see our hockey heroes any differently? ……… Just some food for thought, I hope.


March 26th, 2011
1:19 pm

Actually, the curtain simply unfurls from the ceiling … if you look up, you can see it up there, neatly rolled up, No clue what it costs to send someone up there to unroll it.

There isn’t enough money on the planet to get me to do that, though. That’s *high*.

As for the game … Thrashers played an uncommonly strong game against a clearly superior opponent (Vancouver isn’t #1 in the entire NHL for no reason). In many ways, they were visibly out-skating that #1 in the entire NHL team, too.

Goal #1 was a softie that frankly Mason should have had.
Goal #2 … man … there’s a 3 man rush, and coach calls a line change? What?

A #1 team in the NHL is gonna score when it’s a 3-on-goal-and-no-defense rush …

So that accounts for their two goals. What about ours? Summed up in one word : Luongo. He stopped everything but Little’s hi-lite-reel breakaway (which, frankly, was probably unstoppable by anyone), and we’re talking solid — SOLID scoring chances here.

This was NOT a night where your Thrashers peppered the net with easy “let’s shoot the goalie in the chest” type shots. These were legit scoring chances, stopped by a goalie who was standing on his head repeatedly to stop them.

A lesser goalie, and we walk away with 2 pts, probably 4-5 to 2. Seriously.

Against the best team in the NHL.

That ain’t bad.


March 26th, 2011
1:20 pm

(oh, before anyone replies … yes I know they scored 3 … empty netters don’t bear discussion)

World Be Free

March 26th, 2011
1:32 pm

EA is correct, Luongo did win the game he was the difference in this one. No idea why Pavs was not out there after Mason played the night before. Vancouver is not flashy, but they are efficient. Safe to say they played the level of their opponent last night.

Consider this question-how many current Thrashers would be good enough to make the Canucks roster? I am not trying to “insult” our skill, wherever it may be but consider how Vancouver plays as a team and how many of our players could actually fit into their system.

Bring back the curtain, cuz it’s better than seeing empty seats.

Red Light

March 26th, 2011
1:41 pm

Ranting and raving after losses is always so beneficial I don’t know why more coaches don’t employ that method. Surely, that is the appropriate message to send to players: you suck, we blew a chance for two points, we’re nearly dead for the playoffs, the refs suck, the other goalie is on drugs to have played that well and the Canucks have 107 points so far because the have a horseshoe up their a$$.

I want to play for that type of guy.


March 26th, 2011
1:43 pm

WBF, the 400 section was full last night so keep the curtain up if they can get butts in the seats.


March 26th, 2011
1:55 pm

Ray, we must have different understandings of the word “full.”


March 26th, 2011
2:04 pm

The 400 level looked fairly full from where I sit, not the entire arena.


March 26th, 2011
2:19 pm

You guys are correct, Luongo stole this game flat out. Great when we do it, and the On The Fly
clowns make it sound like Atlnta should be ashamed. But when Vancouver does it, It’s just GREAT !!

I liked the physical play, why is that an ISSUE with this coach we have. The more PHYSICAL you can be, it helps you, not hurts !Plus physical play is not a BAD thing, we need to do a WHOLE LOT MORE the remaining games and NEXT SEASON ! Enough of this “pussy footing” stuff.

Both GA were soft, I am not keen on bringing Mason back next season, he played good the first month, then he has been very average since. We need a new Number #1 Goalie, a couple defensive
defensemen, and 3-4 guys who can score on a regular basis !

I just wonder if we will get 80 points, typical season, No Playoffs !

I hope asg rots in Hell for their conduct and LYING to All of us !

Harry Zanus

March 26th, 2011
3:24 pm

Question…… did the thrashers play well last night or did vancouver take it easy last night?


March 26th, 2011
3:44 pm

Ramsay did not say “wonderful loss” nor was that what he was implying. If anyone would have watched the entire game they would have seen that it was as he said a “wonderful game.” It was great hockey on both ends and the Thrashers once again played great against one of the NHL elites like they have all year. Not only was it a wonderful game but it was a fun game to watch.

The first goal was a softie. But, Kane had to either make a more competent pass at the opposite blue line or smarter yet, dump it in low. The Thrashers controlled the puck and to turn it over when you were least likely or expected to do so likely threw everyone on the ice, including Mason, off guard. The second goal was a thing of beauty by an elite team. The D held the puck and got the change behind the play they were looking for. It worked to perfection.

Both goals were in the second period and both took advantage of the neutral zone when the Thrashers didn’t have the puck. As I said yesterday, the Thrashers greatest weakness in team play is in the neutral zone when they don’t control the puck. This is more exposed by the long change in the second period. The second period is often won or lost in the neutral zone.

The Thrashers don’t suck. They are not a bunch of AHLers or third liners who wouldn’t be able to play on the Canucks. That they played every step of the way with them last night and controlled play most of the night should be proof of that alone. They are very young and skilled and are only going to get better.


March 26th, 2011
4:01 pm

That was one one of the most exciteing games all year. The first period was incredible.

Luongo stole the game, much like Pavs did for us much of November and December.

As for Mason, he also played a great game. While I thought he could have stopped the 2nd goal (he went down too early), I do not think he can be blamed at all for the first. 2-on-1 break, the D made sure there was no pass to the off wing, and the shooter made a great shot that hit the 5-hole spot perfectly. No, the blame on that goal was Kaner mishandling the puck inside our offensive blue line, leading to the 2-on-1.

Harry Zanus

March 26th, 2011
4:11 pm

Cornbread…. Haven’t we been saying every year that the thrashers are young and skilled and are only going to get better?

I am interested to hear specifically what makes this team better? They are still in the bottom of the league, dont play defense, dont have a winning mentality. One player has scored more than 20 goals. Almost everyone on the team is a minus player.

Please explain what makes this team better

Jame Brown

March 26th, 2011
4:37 pm

Actually a good crowd last night. Considering what these fans have been through and the current state of this season, I think it speaks well we can still put 15k+ in the seats. You give us a team like the Canucks and you won’t find a ticket.


March 26th, 2011
5:01 pm

There were many times when the crowd was on their feet ready to celebrate a goal only to be denied by Luongo…frustrating for sure!

I think the team played their hearts out but came up short…where was this effort for the last 2 + months?

One thought on the coaching staff here, while I like Ramsey here is my thoughts on the future. In my opinion there is no logical reason for John Torchetti to leave the Blackhawks organization for the same position in Atlanta without something promised a better job in the end? Maybe Ramsey has a year to be a head coach or two and he retires? Just my thoughts…


March 26th, 2011
5:32 pm

” Only good thing about Vancouver probably getting the President’s trophy is that, statistically, the President’s Trophy winner usually doesn’t win Lord Stanley’s Cup (only 29% of the trophy winners have gone on to win the cup).”
Do the math. Statistically, the President’s Trophy winner has the highest chance of winning at 29%. If this isn’t clear to you, think really hard.

Alan R.

March 26th, 2011
5:38 pm

sisu – You’re on to something here. It’s not the first time I’ve heard it mentioned that Ramsay’s time in Atlanta is limited.

He’s here to play the role of teacher. That much should have been evident to everyone when he was hired last summer. It would be awesome if he had some fire in him, some emotion to show on the bench when there’s an awful call or whatnot, but I don’t think that’s in him. A major factor to consider when looking at that is his health.

No, Ramsay is here to teach, and possibly groom Torchetti to taking over the reins of the team when Ramsay does hang up coaching for good. Having said that, I don’t think Ramsay will be leaving the organization when he leaves the coaching duties to Torchetti; rather, I think he’ll be moving upstairs.

Dudley will be here for four more years after this season, and I think Ramsay has one more season behind the bench left in him. I can honestly see Ramsay in a role of assistant to Dudley once that’s over, perhaps taking over for Larry Simmons.

Purely speculative, but I can’t imagine the new owner will want to keep any of the old blood. A change of direction, if you will.

Not Blind

March 26th, 2011
5:47 pm

Rawhide, you should correct that typo. Didn’t you mean “Spring Spoiled Tour” ??


March 26th, 2011
6:50 pm


March 26th, 2011
6:51 pm

Actually a good crowd last night. Considering what these fans have been through and the current state of this season, I think it speaks well we can still put 15k+ in the seats. You give us a team like the Canucks and you won’t find a ticket.

JB – Spot on. I remember what it was like in the two seasons just after the lockout. The place was packed on weekends and on weeknights the place looked similar to what you say last night.

In my opinion there is no logical reason for John Torchetti to leave the Blackhawks organization for the same position in Atlanta without something promised a better job in the end? Maybe Ramsey has a year to be a head coach or two and he retires? Just my thoughts…

sisu – That was my thought last summer when it was announced Torch was coming over as an associate coach under Ramsay. Personally, if that is the intent, I’d like to see it happen this summer. I don’t expect Rammer would then take an assistant job…but maybe stay on as a consultant?

Rawhide, you should correct that typo. Didn’t you mean “Spring Spoiled Tour” ??

Not Blind – Funny. But our season was ’spoiled’ last winter…specifically speaking, with a 2-win February.


March 26th, 2011
6:54 pm

HZ as for your questions, since you apparently did not watch the game, do you really think the best team in the NHL going for a franchise record of road wins in a season is going to take it easy? Regardless, the Thrashers played better than well last night.

The Thrashers are better at team play and playing a system. They do play defence and have never looked better on the breakout. They have never had this much depth or scoring threat on the blue line. Shots against have been way down the second half. Their play through the neutral zone and breaking the trap is better than it ever has been. They dump the puck, establish possession, and maintain the cycle better than ever as opposed to one man trying to rush the puck only to turn it over for a chance the other way. Puck possession is better than it ever has been. The Thrashers of the past were always a quick strike one and done run and gun offensive team that rarely maintained possession anywhere near half of the game. They were a “loosey-goosey” team with no real structure. This year puck possession likely exceeds 50% for the majority of their games. The power play has been great all year without a #17. 5 on 5 has also been very good much of the year.

What has mainly hurt the Thrashers since the All-Star break has been goaltending. The best player on the penalty kill is the goalie. Is it any wonder the Thrashers have fallen so far on what was once a respectable PK? Pavs was number 2 behind Tim Thomas in SPct and GAA much of the first half of the season. Now he has fallen out of the top 20 in both categories. Since before the All-Star break when he shutout the Caps he has not played very well. Mason has been better since with fewer games played, better numbers, and more wins. Imagine how many wins the Thrashers would have now had they got better than NHL average goaltending since January.

The Thrashers are very young this season and it is also the biggest reason they are so low on the payroll. But do you really believe that 19 year olds Burmistrov and Kane, 20 year old Bogosian, 23 year olds Little and Pavelec, 24 year old Wheeler and 25 year olds Byfuglien and Ladd are not going to be better in the future? These guys all have the makings of becoming NHL stars and possibly – like Kane and Bogosian – Super Stars. Buff is already there and Ladd has led the way nicely for all of them. That’s 8 very young NHL players who are going to become very good over the next 5-8 years. That does not even include the 26 year olds Enstrom and Stuart, 27 year old Thorburn, and 25 year old Stewart, who has been the nicest surprise in his first full NHL season, all of whom are coming into their prime and will make the team better.

Watch the game being played between the goals with and without the puck. These kids are fun to watch and some of the best young talent in the game. They can play and got the skills. For the most part they play smart. What they lack is experience. That too will come. There are a lot of teams out there that would like to have them on their roster in the near future including the Canucks.


March 26th, 2011
6:57 pm

couple points. vanc. played 70% focused, more worried not been hurt away game still win. some 4 liner on this team (not sure he going to be on playoff roster) scored second goal with skill i think only ladd on all thrashers squad can do same. our s 8 pick far away from nhl level so far. he spending only 10% ice time to possess and remaining time to chase. so, slater our savior. who else in minor? machacek, cormier? remember dw second round pick from sweden. looks like he also suck. it’s depressing to see what Pittsburgh doing without malkin and crosby, what wash. doing without ovy. and thrashers hope that only 911 call to slater can save there’s problem.


March 26th, 2011
7:16 pm

The Atlanta Thrashers have the makings of a great Team, at both ends of the ice. Craig Ramsay a winner as Head Coach with a coaching staff to match his winning attitude. Having a sound Ice Hockey Staff plus good front office managment, coupled with a Great Building, can only bring success to this Sports Franchise. It does seem the Club logo is perhaps a draw back as it depicts catastrophe for Ice Hockey which includes the NHL. Perhaps the burden is valid but advertising the dilema could be the reason the Philips Arena has seats available for home games.Thrash the Clubs Mascot looks good and could even replace the current logo which would be an improvment compaired with the serious nature of the one now in use. When I saw the logo a more drawing logo catering to the Fans and Team is needed, to bring the Fans to the Philips Arena ever game. Folk lore in Georgia could provide the logo that would bring the Fans out in huge numbers. A ogopogo man clad in ice hockey skates holding a ice hockey stick, level at waist hight would do the job of getting the Fans and Team on a winning streak. Getting the local schools invoved in drawing the new logo would be a good thing to and perhaps create interest in the Great Sport of Ice Hockey. The Rest will sort itself out. With faith, the Atlanta Thrashes The NHL and Sports in general will be enjoyed by all for many more Centuries and Millennia to come. Pleasing all. A two to one lose to the best Team in the NHL in the Vancouver Canucks, who will win the 2011 Presidents Trophy and Lord Stanleys Cup, is not a bad result for the Atlanta Thrashers who look themselves on the verge of Great Ice Hockey Success.


March 26th, 2011
8:51 pm

Alex, I feel that you are missing the point with Bermi with all due respect. In any top level organization he would be in the Juniors vs. NHL. I think he will be something to watch in the near future, no he is not tearing up the league but there are very few who can right out of the draft.

I think the team has been fun and exciting to watch the last few games…the worst part is that there is really minimal talent available via free agency and draft this summer, I would suggest a trade to get a scorer. The team has many defensive players they could trade weather in the minors or perhaps someone like Oduya?

Joe Friday

March 26th, 2011
9:57 pm

“Did Ramsay hand out gold stars after the game too? Ice Cream?”

Every one of his players will get a trophy for the mantle at the end of the year for their wonderful effort!

Good grief people, that’s one thing that matters in pro sports . . . results.

new owner (on the way) = new center, #1 dman, and a real coach and we’re in business

Fan from Carolina

March 27th, 2011
8:51 am

Hey Rawhide, Who will you be pulling for in the playoffs? Even though I dislike the Caps and Boudreau in particular I would like to see a Southeast divison team go deep. The Lightning, maybe, but so hot and cold recently, ‘floating’ as Boucher said the other day. The Canes just fell short with Buffalo and the Rangers getting key wins down the stretch.


March 27th, 2011
9:58 am

Stuart- Have you been entombed for the past 3 months? Ramsey has shown an absolute inability to adjust anything to stop an unbelievable skid. The guy is Clueless and needs to head off into retirement. We need a tough fisted, motivator to get the best out of a good core of young guys. The only “good” thing about the loss was the size of the crowd.


March 27th, 2011
10:08 am

FfC – I was thinking about that the other day. The first thought was Boston…if for no other reason than because of Rich Peverley.

I’m sure I’ll be putting a little more ceribral activity to this subjuct in the days to come, though.

Red Light

March 27th, 2011
10:10 am

Even if the Thrashers win all of their remaining games to finish with 90 points, the Sabres would have to go no better than 0-3-4 in its remaining games for the Thrashers to take over the 8th spot based upon wins and regulation wins.

Basically, if the Sabres manage to get five points from their remaining seven games, the Thrashers are officially done.

Harry Zanus

March 27th, 2011
10:19 am

Cornbread, sorry I am not convinced. I see the same story as every year. The players you mentioned above will be 2nd line players at best, not stars, or superstars. Buff is not already there, he is decent, but no superstar.

On the last blog you said we are as good as pittsburgh and philadelphia????? These are two of the best teams in the east, we are one of the worst. Penguins superstars(real superstars) go out for extended time and the pens still win, they don’t nosedive, thats a good team. Comparing philly to atlanta is just silly also.

Like frosty said above, we have one player, ONE, who has more than 20 goals, may get 30. No other player on our team has 20 or more goals. This team still does not play defense. I am not convinced by your points.

NHL Ready

March 27th, 2011
10:25 am

CornBread you are so far off the mark it makes me sick to read your blog. You must work for the spirt to believe that crap you wrote. This is the NHL not junoir hockey. This team needed to win this season. We are not going to do it and didn’t win with the entire team being so young. Excuse I am sick of it and if you think Stewart had a good year give me a break. I was raised with Northeast Hockey this team was a joke from the begining. Lets trade away players like Eager and bring in another puss player just like the Coach. Oh and lets give away Sopel. This team really sucks look at the Plus minus on our players that tells it all. You want another season filled will Good game losses? Not me. Go Boston, Rangers and Philly. Those are teams with real players not a bunch of players still wearing pull-ups.


March 27th, 2011
10:30 am

@ Joe Friday. Hey don’t be so hard on ‘em. It’s something to build on, right Rammer?

Twisted Wrister

March 27th, 2011
10:35 am

What happened to that idiot Al?

Oh yeah, that’s right, I remember now……

Al, the idiot, is going to crawl back under his rock. Al, the idiot, is going to crawl back under his rock. Al, the idiot, is going to crawl back under his rock.

I forgot how easily it worked.


March 27th, 2011
12:07 pm

Alex, um….you are wrong and I did the math (and am actually have a MS in statistics). 29% of the time the President’s Trophy winner wins the cup. That means that 71% of the time the don’t. I don’t know about you, but if I had to, I would go with 71% over 29% every time. It is not like arguing over weather Newton or Liebniz discovered calculus, it really pretty simple. So, yeah, do the math……