Crushing loss for Thrashers follows disallowed Kane goal

Was it a good goal…or was it not?

That’s sure to be the topic of debate today after the Thrashers fell to the New Jersey Devils Tuesday night. Trailing 3-2 in the dying seconds of the third period, Evander Kane got his stick on the puck as it was fired toward Martin Brodeur’s net and deflected it in for the game-tying score.

However, the ref waived off the goal claiming the puck was played with a high stick. Kane, while sitting on the bench waiting for the review call from Toronto, seemed to believe the call on the ice was …ahem…shall we say, “male bovine excrement”.

Later he would simply say, “I definitely disagree with the call.”

Ilya Kovalchuk then potted an empty netter, the Devils won 4-2 and for the first time this season have a points winning percentage above .500. The team that once was 10-29-2 and sitting in last place at New Years has gone 23-2-3 and has pulled even with the Thrashers in the standings with 70 points and has a game in hand.

Jacob Josefson celbrates what turned out to be the game-winning goal in front of the Thrashers bench. Later in the game it seemed as though Evander Kane had tied it, but the refs saw it differently (AP Photo/Julio Cortez)

Jacob Josefson celbrates what turned out to be the game-winning goal in front of the Thrashers bench. Later in the game it seemed as though Evander Kane had tied it, but the refs saw it differently (AP Photo/Julio Cortez)

Heading in the opposite direction during the Devils’ second half surge, Atlanta is now 7-14-6 in the last 27 games dating back to early January.

As for the “no goal” call…I’ve seen the replay from all angles, just as I’m sure you all have by now. I’ve even removed my blue-tinted glasses in an attempt to view it from an objective and unbiased viewpoint. But I just have to tell you to me it looked like a good goal, the puck making contact with the stick while it was on a downward swing and below the height of the crossbar.

Unfortunately, I wasn’t sitting in the official replay official’s seat and was therefore unable to reverse the call.

Making this even that much more frustrating for Thrashers fans is remembering the “goal” that was allowed for the Coyotes out in Phoenix last month that led to a 4-3 Atlanta loss.

…shrugs…

However, while you are debating the ruling…a call that very well may have cost the Thrashers at least a shot at contesting for the postseason down the stretch…there is one thing I don’t want you to lose sight of. Atlanta found themselves in a desperate struggle to try and tie the score at the end of the game because they once again failed to properly handle a two-goal lead earlier in the contest. It’s something that they’ve had issues with the last four times they’ve been blessed with such an advantage.

Just as they did in Carolina last week, and against the Panthers on March 5, and in Edmonton on February 19, the Thrashers saw the opposition come back to tie the game after going up by two. This time, just as was the case against the Oilers, they failed to come away with any points…and the results were just as crushing.

What do you think of the "no goal" call that negated Kane's score?

  • Good call by the ref. The puck was played by a high stick (21%, 35 Votes)
  • It was a load of male bovine excrement (79%, 130 Votes)

Total Voters: 165

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Tim Stapleton and Chris Thorburn staked the team to a late first period lead. Stapleton converted by tipping in a very nice spinning backhand pass from Kane off the left boards at the 15:24. Thorburn then powered his way around the Devils defense 65 seconds later for his 8th of the season.

For Stapleton it was his third goal in the last eight games…his first coming just after the Thrashers had waived him. In contrast, the snake-bit Bryan Little has tickled the twine only once in the last 22 games dating back to the middle of January.

But as stated prior, the Thrashers were unable to handle their success. They couldn’t even make it out of the period with their two-goal advantage as Travis Zajac cut the lead in half at 18:52. Patrik Elias tied the game just over five minutes into the second then Jacob Josefson put the Devils ahead for good 3-2 just 4:14 into the third.

Also, as has been the case in so many games this year, the Thrashers seemed completely unable to deal with whatever adjustments were made by the opposition coming out of the first and second intermission. In the middle frame alone they were out-shot 9-2 by New Jersey after they came out of the break flying.

I’m guessing Clint Malarchuk did not deliver a second period motivational talk during the second period this night.

So while you debate whether or not Kane was robbed on that tip-in goal late in the game, remember they were only in that position because they failed once again to hold off a team after taking a two-goal lead. That, and giving up an untimely goals late in the first period and coming out flat early in the other two didn’t helpmatters either.

And this time, it may have cost them more than just a game.

124 comments Add your comment

R. Stroz

March 16th, 2011
7:04 am

Tom

March 16th, 2011
7:15 am

Bovine Excrement – fitting.

We are treated like a rookie whenever anything goes to Toronto. They will not give the Thrashers the call if it is against one of the premier teams.

Colin Campbell sucks.

j nes

March 16th, 2011
7:17 am

teams that can’t win half their games don’t belong in the playoffs anyway–give the 8 spot in the east to Nashville or Anaheim–not a bunch of losers from the Eastern conference

Tom

March 16th, 2011
7:22 am

That being said, the inability to hold a lead is the biggest weakness that the Thrashers have. It may be because we do not have the horses to stand up to other teams when they put on the pressure as others may say, it may be because of the team ownership as someone may say, but I think it comes down to the bench.

The players are following the example of their head coach and going meekly into the battle. Scholars do not win wars.

Do you really think LeMaire was not peeling the paint off the bench when the Devils went down 2? That the players were dreading going into the locker room between periods? Sure they were so they did all they could to get at least 1 goal to end the 1st.

Our locker room probably was hearing a treatise on why the breakout could be improved and the history behind it during the 2nd period.

We need FIRE and passion on the bench.

I doubt it would change much, but do you think the refs knew that all they faced when they waved off that goal at the end of the game was a Ramsay shrug. I would have gone ballistic and made the refs know that my outburst was going to be replayed on every newscast in the country if they screwed my boys.

Big Shooter

March 16th, 2011
7:22 am

It probably should have been a goal, but you have to remember the on-ice call was no goal. For Toronto to overturn the call it has to be 100% conclusive that it was a goal. With it being such a close play, Toronto really has to go with the on-ice call. If you want to be mad at someone be mad at the official on the ice, not video replay.

And if anyone thinks that this call cost the Thrashers a shot at the playoffs you are mistaken. That happened about a month ago.

Big Shooter

March 16th, 2011
7:24 am

And I agree 100% with Tom. To see Ramsay just scratch his chin instead of showing some emotion was just sickening.

Riceowls

March 16th, 2011
7:29 am

Bill I am now convicned that Ramsey has to go. 2 minutes left and the forwards on the ice are Boulton and Schempf? Really?

Rawhide

March 16th, 2011
7:34 am

Big Shooter – You’re correct on both accounts.

Riceowls – Does this mean that plate of crow is going back into the freezer? :grin:

R. Stroz

March 16th, 2011
7:34 am

If I were the coach after that BS call, the ref would be well aware that his ancestry was of the canine variety, he frequently wore out knee pads, and he had a lukewarm temperature IQ.

Maybe?

March 16th, 2011
7:34 am

I think that when they have a close play like that, the guys in the NHL war room determine the outcome by looking at who has the best average number of playoff games won per year in the league.

No goal!

World Be Free

March 16th, 2011
7:35 am

I did not want to post anything negative about the coachs right after the game last night. But it is clear there is something missing in this team in the way over leadership and passion when the chips are down. Saturday night was real nice, but it hasn’t happened much this season, especially in th calendar year of 2011.

R. Stroz

March 16th, 2011
7:36 am

And that would just be the start…

FakeBenThrasher

March 16th, 2011
7:37 am

“Bill I am now convicned that Ramsey has to go. 2 minutes left and the forwards on the ice are Boulton and Schempf? Really?”

Did the Devils score while Boulton and Schremp were on the ice at the end of the game? Next. Go Thrashers.

BluelandBELIEVER

March 16th, 2011
7:38 am

RawHide FTW. Great read. Seriously though folks, that was total BS and that ref knows it. How the hell is that stick high? It was even at best. I seriously feel after something like this, the refs have it out for us…jk. (or am i?) Wes McCauley, im watching you…so is Atlanta.

Refs Sucked last night

March 16th, 2011
7:39 am

In addition to the blown call on Kane’s goal the refs missed two obvious high sticking calls. The first should have put us on the powerplay instead we gave up a goal in that time. Since we have been in this league there has been an obvious bias by the officials against the Thrashers. It really is laughable and sad that the league allows this kind of incompetence to stand. Of course the same could be said about the way suspensions are doles out by one Colin Campbell. He apparently does not have a clue.

Dee Dubya

March 16th, 2011
7:51 am

Ya know, if we had a few breaks and won all the games we lost by one goal, we’d be a playoff team.

oh well

March 16th, 2011
8:01 am

The goal WAS good. Pavelec WAS bad between the pipes. Two of goals were very stoppable. Netminder carrying his team into playoffs WOULD have smothered that third tally too. Used to support Pavelec. Now believe him to be as much a flash in pan as Kari Lehtonen. Team lacks urgency. Team plays like emotionless drones without any fire in gut. That comes from coach. After tying goal taken away I probably would have spent night in New Jersey jail cell after little peace conference with ref who blew call. What do I get from Craig Ramsay? Sigh. I pray one day Atlanta has a true NHL team. Want these guys out of here at close of season. Please. For the record – Had the Thrashers not frittered away dozens of points to NHL bottom feeders the painful disallowed goal would have been inconsequential. That is the plain truth.

glovesave29

March 16th, 2011
8:01 am

To address the comments in the last blog – I totally agree with the NHL for disallowing goals from above the crossbar. The argument that it should be a goal “just as long as it hits the stick” is just too dangerous. You’d have players swinging sticks everywhere on rebounds and deflections – right at eye level. There would undoubtedly be some serious injuries, ones that may make Pacioretty’s look like just a little boo boo.

Kanes goal was good. Pure and simple. To be honest, it really does not matter. The Devils outplayed us and deserved to win. This stretch since the calendar changed has doomed the team. I think we still have some nice pieces, and this team still has a decent future – but the fat lady has sung on the 10-11 Atlanta Thrashers.

Chico

March 16th, 2011
8:06 am

I was there, on ice level, and saw the goal at the perfect angle to see the stick. If you rewatch the game, you’ll see something else I saw: Ladd and Kovalchuk watching the replay while the ref called Toronto. Ladd’s reaction showed he clearly knew it was not a goal. But even if it was a bad call, these things happen. At least they reviewed it. The Devils had a goal waved off without review just a couple games ago against Ottawa, and the view from the 2nd row was that he hadn’t hit the puck with a high stick. Atlanta lost because they didn’t hold the lead. Be honest about that and build towards next season.

World Be Free

March 16th, 2011
8:07 am

As for firing Dudley, as some have called for-he has made more positive moves since taking over than were made in the 10 years prior to his arrival. People in the league know him and respect him; the fact that the Thrashers are anywhere close to a plyoff spot with the 2nd lowest payroll shows what he can do with little $$$.

Who believes we would get another legitimate NHL GM in Atlanta if we fired Dudley after 1 season? Let the man do his job and build his team.

TableHockey

March 16th, 2011
8:12 am

The goal looked good to me but the reality is that no goal call won’t change the outcome of this season. Sports Club Stats is giving us a 1.3% chance of making the playoffs and while that is a statistically derived number I think our chances aren’t even that good. As it stands right now we are one point closer to a lottery pick than we are to the 8th spot.

Buzzeng

March 16th, 2011
8:14 am

So… how fitting is it that we basically end the season (at least the great playoff hope) with a loss in a must-win game to a team below us in the standings, with Little missing a goal by millimeters, with 20 minutes of good effort in a 60-minute game, with a 2-0 lead to start the game, and with blown calls from the refs going against the Thrashers? (I’m sure there are other “usuals” that I missed, but I didn’t see the game – feel free to add your own)

Seems like the Thrasher M.O. for the entire year.

Stephen

March 16th, 2011
8:16 am

“Bill I am now convicned that Ramsey has to go.” When I begin to think that, I remind myself that ASG has him managing one of the lowest payrolls in the NHL. It comes back to ownership.

oh well

March 16th, 2011
8:16 am

Hi Chico. Build for next season? That is a hoot. This team will be in another location next season. That will pave the way for a REAL NHL team in Atlanta for first time since departure of Flames. I for one will celebrate the expulsion. Nothing but forgettable memories from these so called professionals. Maybe 2014 or later. Atlanta still has pro teams in MLB, NBA and NFL. Pick one of those to spend money on. Just not Hawks. :)

oh well

March 16th, 2011
8:19 am

Low payroll has nothing whatsoever to do with a complete lack of emotion! Guy should at least ACT like he gives a…

oh well

March 16th, 2011
8:25 am

I am sick to death of whiners on here who think spending money is the only way to achieve professional sports success. How many low payroll teams throughout history have made it to the top through hard work and determination? PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES SHOULD NOT ALLOCATE THEIR PERFORMANCE ON FINANCES! I have witnessed many low wage professionals outshine overpaid prima donnas. Happens in present. So spare me the low payroll bull. Although I guess Thrasher fans will cling to any available excuses. So very sad. Failure breeds excuses. Players blameless. Sigh. :(

Riceowls

March 16th, 2011
8:26 am

FBT: The Thrashers didn’t need to STOP the Dvils at that point, they needed to score. And Boulton (hat trick not withstanding) and Schremp are not this team’s scorers. Next yourself.

Not Blind

March 16th, 2011
8:35 am

If this franchise would go away I could start to enjoy my hockey a lot more. But being one of the last people in the metro area with ATLANTA on their birth certificate I have to try and support my home team even if they suck and don’t deserve any fan support due to lack of passion, pride, grit, team spirit, leadership, determination, etc etc etc.

Rawhide

March 16th, 2011
8:37 am

FakeBenThrasher – As Riceowls points out, the Thrashers were not trying to keep the Devils from scoring as they were needing to score one themselves to tie the game.

Chico – Always good to have a perspective from someone at the game. Thanks. As you and I both agree on…whether it was/wasn’t a good goal, the Thrashers failed to hold a 2-goal lead in a game they simply HAD to have.

moriler

March 16th, 2011
8:50 am

So tired of the trap, too — so many interference calls let slide these days.

Also, anyone else think “oh well” is a particular someone posting through a proxy? Sure looks like it to me…

Dee Dubya

March 16th, 2011
8:50 am

I like hanging out with Gramps. He doesn’t argue with me. He merely rubs his chin.

World Be Free

March 16th, 2011
8:52 am

oh well-don’t know who you really are but you need to get a grip on reality. Are there issues? You bet, much talked about on this blog long before you showed up. But we have torn apart this team as many times and long enough to know that we have the stay the course, make some changes and look towards the future. Take a look at every team near or at the top of the standings, that’s the course they have taken. “Let’s fire everybody”- that will get you nowhere pretty quick. The draft is in June.

World Be Free

March 16th, 2011
8:53 am

moriler-yeah I think so, be he/she are entitled to make an idiot out of themselves in public. Charlie sheen does it every day.

oh crap

March 16th, 2011
9:01 am

Great, a certain irrational, ranting fool is back.

Joe Tess Fish House

March 16th, 2011
9:21 am

I thing the Thrasers deserve this loose becuz they turnt there backs on Kolvachock. The best player they had and now he is gone. The Thrashers R going no where.

R. Stroz

March 16th, 2011
9:25 am

I smell dec.

HonkyTonkHero

March 16th, 2011
9:26 am

Ready to see the Thrashers coached by someone like Tortorella. We need a guy who commands respect, shows emotion and can blow his lid when necessary. After hearing that coach Anderson II had nothing to say the other night to the boys after a period of suck…I gave up on him. Hell….pull a Boudreau and just cuss at em between periods. Make the players never want to see your rotund bouncing belly and fat red face.

Its not all the coaches fault…we all know that. The only mistake I think Duds made was hiring Ramsay and thats a 20/20 hindsight thing. Seemed like a good choice at the time. We have had two soft spoken coaches and we can all see how well that plays out. That may work well when you have a great team but we dont. We have a low budget young team that needs to be hearded and branded. In short….we need a cowboy coach. Nuf said for today.

BluelandBELIEVER

March 16th, 2011
9:26 am

^^^Fish House- Learn to spell

SomaAtl95

March 16th, 2011
9:31 am

JTFH – Atlanta turned their back on Kovy? What form of revisionist history are you studying? As I told people last night Atlanta needs to learn to hold a lead because most nights its the Thrashers vs the Opposition, Refs and War room all at once. All we needed at the end of last nights game was another “Phantom” Cross Check penalty on Buff a la the Phoenix game. I for one hope that the Devils and their massive bandwagon of fans who showed up in the second half of the season do the same thing that we will be after the first week of April… watching other teams compete for the cup.

Fan from Carolina

March 16th, 2011
9:38 am

I guess the ‘P’ word is off the table again. Well played game though against the ‘current best team’ in the league.

Stop Yelling Knights

March 16th, 2011
9:44 am

Hooray! Welcome back Sten…uh I mean welcome oh well.

KLS1

March 16th, 2011
9:48 am

The Thrashers have lost every, and I mean every meaningful game since the franchise was started. If someone says its a must win, they will lose.

It just takes the air out of us fans ability to get excited. Its too bad, I was going to go down for one or two more games but with losses like this, I rather just stay home so I can change the channel.

By the way, does anyone know how long Torch signed a contract for? Wouldn’t be surprised to see him leave as soon as the season ends.

LAC

March 16th, 2011
9:56 am

It is VERY VERY Clear that the nhl has “favorite” teams. We are not one of them.
I guess gary bettman is too busy getting a sun tan in Florida to give a DAMN about BAD officiating.

The nhl does NOT want Atlanta to win or be in the playoffs, because it will cut down the number of people who will watch on TV. I have always been a fan of bettman, NOT ANYMORE.

The officials who called this game, should be suspended ASAP ! But we all know they will get a Thank-You call from old Lou and bettman will chime in most likely too, saying something, like GREAT game guys, we need to keep Atlanta out of the playoffs.

bettman you should be ASHAME of your officials and I agree colin campbell is a COMPLETE JOKE
and has NO place in professional hockey at any level.

Bottom line, we should have at least one more point and likely two. Thanks bettman for your continued F-up officials for keeping Atlanta out of the playoffs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LAC

March 16th, 2011
10:03 am

WBF… I know dudley has made some decent moves, however since the season started he has done NOTHING to improve the roster. The trade with Boston is a wash at best and the Florida trade was the final straw for me. Shortly after saying he would not trade picks or young players, what did he do ???? Trade for a washed up 34 year old UFA who will not be here next season and has done not one damn thing since he came here. Bergfors has scored three goals and has four assist’s since departing Atlanta.

Plus the fact our 2009 number one pick has what, 3 goals ALL SEASON ? To think we passed on Cam Fowler, who is playing GREAT for the Ducks, and our guy is a ECHL’er at the very best.
Eager for a 5th round pick ???? That stunk too…

dudley knows the nhl better than waddell ever could, but he knows nothing about talent and what is needed to WIN here in Atlanta, pay off his 4 year contract and get a REAL GM, who knows how to build a WINNER !

oh well

March 16th, 2011
10:05 am

Guess it is time to focus on Braves. Thrasher season now officially over. Unofficially officially over many weeks ago. NFL? Wish Falcon players were forced to work minimum wage jobs for a few months. Might appreciate those millions for a few weeks of work. Oh well. Cheerio. :)

World Be Free

March 16th, 2011
10:05 am

LAC-I think this crop of officials is thw worst I have ever seen, and we will be burdened with them for many years. Personally, I prefer the 1 ref system, allowing linseman to call certain penalties they see outside of the single ref’s eyes. This team of 4 officials makes it too easy to spread the blame, not allowing premium refs to control a game the way the last generation did. Besides, there’s not enough space in the ice anyhow, adding 4 bodies just makes it easier for the officials to get in the way. I never thought I would ever WANT Wally Harris back as a ref, but at least you knew what you were getting with Wally. These nameless refs (for the most part) have random styles.

These rules need reworking too AND outlaw the neutral zone trap, the same way the NBA outlawed the zone defenses years ago.

East Point Bob

March 16th, 2011
10:08 am

Agree with the others, Ramsey has to got to go at the end of the season, he is not an NHL caliber coach,plain and simple. But will he ?

LAC

March 16th, 2011
10:15 am

WBF, You are correct. Remember Kerry Fraiser, he was always the best in my book. I don’t think I ever saw him blow a call, not once. Several others too, but I agree these new young guys seem to be a collection of , Not ready for NHL refs. They all appear to lack proper training, many are out of position a lot during games and they make some the worst calls I have ever seen, like last night.

Watched the Vancouver/San Jose game last week. A vancouver forward and San Jose defenseman went into the corner. The SJ Dman, lifted the stick of the Vancouver forward, causing the Vancouver guy t hit himself in the head with his OWN stick, replays showed it clearly. Who got sent to the box, the San Jose defenseman who made a great play and did NOTHING wrong. How can you get a call against you when the other guys stick hits his own head ????

Like Kanes OT call last week, where the NJ player STEPPED on his stick ?

These officials have to be under orders to make calls against Atlanta in an effort by The nhl to keep us out of the playoffs, plain & simple. colin campbell, The worst joke I have ever seen, but he will never get fired as long as pal gary is in control !

Stop Yelling Knights

March 16th, 2011
10:26 am

I think Ramsey was here to coach these guys up as this was expected to be a rebuilding year. He’ll probably step down after this year with ‘health issues’, maybe one more year tops then Torch will take over.
What’s the deal with the new owners? We still playing wait and see?

oh well

March 16th, 2011
10:27 am

Was that Ilya Kovalchuck in grassy knoll folks? Conspiracy abounds. Maybe one of Bettman’s zebra boys was stationed in Dal Tex Building. Hmm. :)

oh well

March 16th, 2011
10:30 am

Craig Ramsay coached the boys up for a few games early in season. Then he lost their attention completely. Will never get attention back. Note difference between early Thrashers compared to these, uh, figure skaters. Not pleasant at all. :(

MASHAPlayer7

March 16th, 2011
10:31 am

Just an observation, but I wonder if it’s much harder to officiate in this day’s NHL for the same reason headshots and concussions are now an issue…speed of the game. Alas, where a baseball umpire gets a long look at balls and strikes or an NFL official gets a 30 second break between plays, NHL officials have to skate like the players, avoid frozen rubber at high speeds, and avoid 12 bodies on a surface of 200 x 85 feet. It’s the damn hardest officiating job in all sports. I wasn’t happy with the call, but I won’t be putting blames on refs anytime soon. That’s what instant replay in Toronto is for….to complement the on-ice officiating crew’s difficult job. The real travesty is not the missed calls on the ice – it’s Toronto failed to overturn it to the correct call!

AtlFlamesFan

March 16th, 2011
10:34 am

It was hard to tell from the replay how high Evander’s stick was when the puck made contact. I would hope on close plays that the ref would let it go. However, let’s realize that the crossbar is only 48” high. Take a 6’ guy like Kane, put him on 3” skate blades, and you get to 4’ not far above the belly button.

Zombie Steve

March 16th, 2011
10:37 am

I agree with Tom. I would expect our coach to pull a “Jim Playfair” with a call like that.

AtlFlamesFan

March 16th, 2011
10:40 am

Once the on-ice official makes a call, only “conclusive evidence” can overturn it (even though we have been burned by Toronto this year with conclusive evidence lacking).

I would like to see that definition lightend so that the Toronto can overturn a call if they “believe that the call was incorrect”. Heck, I would like the ref to say to Toronto “Hey, I am not really sure, I think it was a high stick, but what do you guys think?”

Jason

March 16th, 2011
10:53 am

I did find it odd how that review was finished so quickly, whereas reviews in games like ours a Phoenix or games in Atlanta take forever in comparison.

Perhaps if the NHL went back to “calling the rules that are already in the rulebook” like they did the first season after the lockout, it would be a better game. That being said, I think players try – and succeed – at getting away with more because of the lack of veteran officials on the ice. A couple of weeks ago when Bill McCreary was in Atlanta, we saw one of the cleanest-played games of the season. When the experience level of the officials is low, and the respect level of the players towards the officials’ abilities matches, you get what you’re seeing lately.

Smoothie

March 16th, 2011
10:54 am

Ref was in terrible position (far corner virtually behind Kaner) to make such a “definitive” call. That’s what irks me so. Compared to the hi-stick tip goal that was called “good” on the ice in PHX, this looked like a very adroit stick play by Kane who seemingly timed the puck contact on the downward descent when the blade was just above his elbow line practically parallel to the ice at that point. No way a ref standing behind Kane can make that call unless he’s behind the net, but he was far from it standing in the corner. Load of female equine excrement, and that is foul!

BTW, Bergfors has ONE goal and 3 helpers in 8 games. Big deal.

And Cam Fowler is a -24 on the season…that’s stellar eh? I reckon Zacthel would have at least 7 goals if he got the PP time that Fowler got for the first 50+ games of the season. Grass is always greener.

Team needs to learn how to play better defense, period. Dvorak got worked on the Zajact tip as he let up in tracking him and got beat to the slot cuz he was floating. 2nd goal was good execution by the Devils but if Wheeler hits the net for a rebound instead of the errant saucer pass, the transition leading to the goal never materializes. 3rd goal was terrible D as all 3 forwards were just standing between the dots but no one really marked a man making it easy for Josefsen to slip to the spot. Stuart tried to hit Tedenby but he slipped away. Had Stapes been playing aggressive man to man on the C (Josefsen), perhaps he can stick jack him before the shot. And Pavelec was asleep on the 3rd goal.

Michael B. Shapiro

March 16th, 2011
10:55 am

When the coach is emotionless, the team will play that way as well. Sigh. Another playoff season on TV for us.

Buff-n-stuff

March 16th, 2011
11:14 am

RAWHIDE

For what it is worth, I am going to go out on a limb and say that the Thrasher’s are doomed…..how so you may ask? Well, it is not for the reasons you might think, it is because of none that the Commish Himself, Gary Bettman. His disdain for the ASG and the whole ownership debacle, has likely given him the impetus to mandate to officials around the NHL to “NOT” give the Thrasher’s ANY CALLS. Case is point….The Phoenix goal that was played with a high stick and allowed them Coyote’s to win the game…..last night’s disallowed goal by Evander, and many more calls that just do not go the way of the Trash. Think about all of these interference “No calls” that happen game after game after game. Our announcers on both TV and radio bring it up nearly every game.

Face it, the league wants us out of Atlanta so bad, and truly doesn’t want us to sneak into that final 8th playoff spot, because that could give the ASG life, or better yet, entice someone to buy the team and “keep them” in Atlanta. Bettman simply wants to right the wrongs in Winnipeg and Ottawa.

This is the conspiracy theory.

Joe Tess Fish House

March 16th, 2011
11:34 am

This team neds a gold scorer. They had 1 in Kolvachock yet the Trashers let him get a way.

NHL Ready

March 16th, 2011
11:37 am

Stick a Fork in me because I am done with this team. Mason stood on his head last game and the butt hole Coach starts Pav’s. Give me a break Pav’s is not the guy or do we even have a good Goalie. This whole thing is a total screw up starting with the Coach. We always get crap sick of it.

World Be Free

March 16th, 2011
12:03 pm

LAC-Kerry was consistent, as were others of the “no helmet” era for officials. NHL hockey used to be like baseball, where you knew what you were getting as soon as they stepped on to the field. MASHA brings up some real good points too. I am not sure where this is all going, but I can tell you the Thrashers will not make playoffs and it’s their own fault.

Every professional sports leagues has its favorites, we know that. The NHL has the Detroit, Rangers, Philly, Boston, Pittsburgh, Chicago etc as primary markets. But to say that the league has it out for Atlanta is taking it a little too far. I just don’t see the sense in it, especially when the league needs a new TV deal to move forward. As for the Kane call, let’s face it people, had the Thrashers played 60 minutes that goal should not have mattered in the game as much as it does today. You can believe the conspiracy theory if you wish.

cousin Eddie

March 16th, 2011
12:03 pm

I think Ramsay’s lack of emotion comes from health issues. He can’t get to worked up in fear of collapsing. The call is what it is, a misjudgement call, but that is the game. Thrashers lost this game way before that call. Let’s move on and hope for better performances from our boys so we don’t rely on the refs!

Joe McGrath

March 16th, 2011
12:04 pm

Ramsey looks like that pedophile from Family Guy. Mr Herbert.

Midfield

March 16th, 2011
12:18 pm

Buff, I don’t think Bettman instructs referees how to call games, but there definitely is favoritism out there; incompetent and indifferent ownership never helps; and referees are well aware of who’s who in the league. So, in a round-about way, it’s a double wami for the players and coaching staff. That’s why, the star players have been jumping the ship at first opportunity. Ramsey may as well be thinking – what’s the point? If I throw a fit, they might as well fine me – that’s all.

Thrashy Thrashy

March 16th, 2011
1:02 pm

Whenever I see someone knock Rammer’s toughness, I always refer back to this blog:

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/timwharnsby/2010/12/thrashers-thankful-that-ramsay-once-cheated-death.html?ref=rss

Whatever we think of his coaching ability and/or tactics, there is no question that Rammer is a tough dude.

Tom

March 16th, 2011
1:12 pm

Thrashy, I never questioned Rammer’s toughness. It is his fire and passion that seems to be lacking at times.

This team plays best when it is flying around in the corners hitting. Witness the 3rd period of the Flyers game. This team typically resembles it’s coach in a passive and cerebral approach and it does not get it done.

We do not have the skills to play a purely cerebral game like the Red Wings do. We need to inject the passion every night to get the guys performing to the upper limits.

That is why Slater is missed so much right now. It was not until the team put the Greek Gods back together did we go on our run in November. Why, because the GGs went into the corner and hit getting everyone fired up.

A little more fire coming from the bench, a little more hitting on the ice, and a little more passion from the players and we could have, painful words, been in the playoffs…

Sage of Bluesland

March 16th, 2011
1:20 pm

Wow, there ARE actually some sheep out there who beweive in such dramatic conspiracy-theories! Just wow.

Could’ve, Would’ve, Should’ve….Don’t Joe-Bob-Friday-Revisionist-Historian yourselves thinking a “passionate” guy could’ve made silk purses out of sows’ ears.

It’s not happening, folks, like it or not. Blame the chef all you want, but when the kitchen should be condemned due to its pitiful mismanagement and the ingredients are this side of pathetic, then don’t be surprised when the meal makes you sick….

It’s so simple, really. Some just want to bewieve so badly, I guess? Maybe they need a feeling-confirming spweadsheet from our resident genius? It’ll make you feel better, I guess, as “statistics” tend to do….Or, maybe Alan’s “incremental progress”?

I do get a good laugh from here, that’s for sure….Thank you ALL so much!

Thrashers27

March 16th, 2011
1:30 pm

The call was total BS, but as someone else mentioned earlier; if Thrashers had held the league, it wouldn’t matter.

Now, let’s hope coach uses that blown call to help the team generate what our old friend B-b-bbbbobby Bouchet would call “tacklin’ fuel” for the remaining 11-12 games.

SomaAtl95

March 16th, 2011
1:38 pm

Sage, you are the Cliff Claven of our little group, except Cliff wasn’t mean spirited. Sometimes I swear your real last name must be Hoover, because you suck all of the fun out of coming to this blog.
Assuming the A$G sells the team and assuming that DW is shown the door will you be here as a supportive fan or still the person who gives grief to anyone else who either has hope or an opinion that differs from yours? We all have our squabbles from time to time but as long as I have been coming to this blog you have been enigmatic, to say the least.
Sometimes I swear you are our equivalent of Eric Cartman.

Y.E. Yang

March 16th, 2011
1:42 pm

Hey Sage, bite me “yang” you putz.

Joe Friday

March 16th, 2011
1:46 pm

“the Florida trade was the final straw for me. Shortly after saying he would not trade picks or young players, what did he do ???? Trade for a washed up 34 year old UFA who will not be here next season and has done not one damn thing since he came here. Bergfors has scored three goals and has four assist’s since departing Atlanta.”

I agree that the Bergfors for Dvorak trade was very, very bad. I’m perplexed by that one. Dvorak brings nothing to the table and Bergfors was a young, cheap RFA with upside. That was a stinker, for sure, but give Dudley some time.

Stendec back? Good, this place needs more characters and I wear a cup when coming to talk about a man’s game, man up, Sallys!

The playoffs were gone a while ago. Keep an eye on that light at the end of the tunnel. We get new owners by July 1st and a new coach, things can be quickly moved forward building around the nice young core here. Ladd, Buf, and Kane (who is showing some maturation in his game here lately) as well as Bogo are some nice players. Little is a fine 2nd line center and Wheeler has some upside but needs to be on the 2nd line as well.

Cliff Fletcher

March 16th, 2011
1:51 pm

sage//

people can think what they want to think, even an idiot with a mind as small as yours.

what you don’t realize is that we are all laughing at you.

Hockey Biltong

March 16th, 2011
2:01 pm

uuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp!!!!!!!!!

Y.E. Yang

March 16th, 2011
2:12 pm

stendec is biggest tool I meet since Eldrick Woods, aye.

Zombie Steve

March 16th, 2011
2:18 pm

I’m still going to the remaining games… the only thing to look forward to now is the departure of the Warpigs.

World Be Free

March 16th, 2011
2:23 pm

Agreed Joe-you have to look forward.

The issue I have with Bergfors is who in the scouting staff recommended he be part of the Kovalchuk trade? I think we have seen his shortcomings – I think Dudley dumped him on the only team that would take him, just like the Eagles dumping McNabb on Washington. No other suitors means get a bag of pucks = Dvorak.

Joe Friday

March 16th, 2011
2:41 pm

WBF, who did we get for Kovy. Bergfors, Oduya, Cormier, and their 1st? To me, Dudley saw this as the return, in order of priority:

Cormier was the prize, then the 1st, then Oduya, then Bergfors. Didn’t we give Salmela back along with Kovy? So, Oduya for Salmela straight up (Sweet Lou won that part of it) and then we we got Cormier, the 1st, and Bergfors as a throw in, for Kovy (and this part of it looks to be a wash to me, we win just moving on from the all Kovy all the time show and the Devils have the sniper they needed).

World Be Free

March 16th, 2011
2:45 pm

Yeah we included Salmela back. Let’s hope Cormier turns out to be the leader he displayed in juniors. I think he was rushed to Atlanta too soon.

Always remember what Sam Pollack said about any trade-the team that gets the best player in the deal wins the deal. Guess that worked for him in Montreal when he traded Billy Hickey to Oakland for the Seals’ first round pick-which turned out to be Guy LaFleur.

Joe Friday

March 16th, 2011
2:55 pm

Yes, Sweet Lou does win the deal, but remember the context We had to move him, or he would have signed elsewhere as a UFA and we get nothing in return. So, once that decision was made by Kovy to go, we win by getting return.

I agree Cormier is here too soon. Burmistrov as well. But at least they got some good experience this year, I don’t think you can break a forward by playing them too young like you can screw up a dman or goalie by having them back there too early

Joe glass half full Friday

March 16th, 2011
3:00 pm

New Owners, New Head Coach

Kane-UFA Center-Buf
Wheeler-Little-Ladd
Stewart-Burmistrov-Cormier
Boulton-Slater-Thorburn

Bieksa-Bogosian
Enstrom-Hainsey
Stuart-Postma

Pavs-Mason

New owners bring the payroll up to low $50s and you sign those two guys (new #1 center and new #1 dman) and bring in an NHL head coach or hand the keys to Torch and you got a club there. We’re not that far away, but it all needs to start with the new owners by July 1st

Red Light

March 16th, 2011
3:03 pm

I nominate Joe Friday’s 2:41 p.m. post as the most uninformed comment since Custer said, “Over that hill are friendly Indians.”

:)

ZAvalanche

March 16th, 2011
3:10 pm

Hmm, a VERY lot to digest from the comments here on St Patrick’s eve.

Glove – I still think a goal from a high stick should count. If the player hits another player with a high stick (happens a lot as you know) then the goal is disallowed and the player gets his requisite 2 minutes.

I don’t think the league has it out for Atl. They are a business and have nothing to gain from burning down a potentially big market team.

Yes I think the ref messed up the call, as did Toronto. Happens all of the time in every sport. And as hockey is the fastest non-motorized sport, making the right call is much more difficult. Consider how p!ssed all of Buffalo was after Brett Hull scored in game 6 of the Finals to win the cup? Based on the rules of that time it wasn’t a goal. Huge mess-up by the refs.

Brendan – you are correct on the need for a system to definitively determine where the stick is in such a situation. All they would need is a fixed camera at both ends at the same height as the cross bar = easy to do.

People have mentioned that we need more scorers. Not true. We need more defense. Pavs is a fantastic goalie he just doesn’t have much help. Why do teams come back on us after we have a lead? Ummm, yeah, we can’t defend our zone. Glove, please confirm on this: any goalie who has no defense and is facing NHL quality players is being left out to dry. In no way is our problem at the goalie position.

Custer

March 16th, 2011
3:13 pm

I resent that RL

Smoothie

March 16th, 2011
3:22 pm

LouLam only wins the deal because he managed to sign Kovy long-term. And we have yet to see the long-term ramifications of that. If they make the playoffs, everyone will say how great Kovy is and how they never could have done it without Lemaire and Kovy…uh huh, okay? Anyway, the trade hinges upon what comes of Cormier (will he be our 3rd line C and leadership cornerstone that Dudley thinks he can be?) and how well Byfuglien grows into being a defenseman as the #1 pick was flipped to CHI for Dustin was it not? There are a lot of variables. But if you can’t re-sign the rental, and you don’t do squat in the playoffs, do you really win the trade? Exhibit A: Keith Tkachuk

ZAvalanche

March 16th, 2011
3:33 pm

If Kovy could get over his ego, man, he would be a serious force.

As for exhibit A: Keith Tkachuk played really well in the West, he was just too old.

glovesave29

March 16th, 2011
3:51 pm

Really ZA? You are going to trade in player safety for a goal now and again? When Buff or Kaner are out for the rest of the season with a face that’s been caved in because the league allows players to swing at high rebounds? Never gonna happen because its a bad idea.

With regards to Pavs – here’s my thought…you ever watch Ramsay’s Kitchen Nightmares? Pav’s is like the bad chef who gonna gewt reamed by Gordon, because as soon as the things around him spiraled out of control – he falls back into his old habits and makes things even worse. But that could just be immaturity on his behalf. He’s got the right attitude and the athletic gifts. He’s a GOOD goalie but not a GREAT one. Only time will tell. After the PHI game, I TOTALLY disagree with OP getting the start. Mason earned it.

The root of the issue is that players play a different system in the ECHL, then the AHL, and again in the NHL. HELL – even HS football coaches get the local kids leagues and the Jr HS teams to play the same system so that once they are in HS, the plays and defenses are an afterthought. As disappointed as I am in Rammer’s lack of fire – I certainly give him another season to see if the system works. Once we can get some consistency and some chemistry working, we may be OK on D. We certainly have some talented pieces. But right now the sum of the parts is LESS than the individual pieces.

Joe glass half full Friday

March 16th, 2011
3:51 pm

Oh, Red Light, did I insult one of your favorite diminutive Swedie dmen again, sorry! Salmela will be a better player than than Oduya. Or mabye you’re still bristling about Dvorak being a waste of space, much less waiting for him to “fit in” or whatever you called for patience on . . . :)

Smoothie

March 16th, 2011
4:06 pm

glovesave – while I agree that you can’t afford to have players waving and flailing the air with their sticks in the attempt to knock pucks out of the sky, why shouldn’t Kaner be allowed to do what he did? It was not a dangerous play as his blade was above his shoulder for really just a split second and his stick was moving down the whole time. I think the ref, since they are supposed to use subjective judgment now to determine if a blade is above the cross-bar, or when I guy is simply following through on a shot before hitting a face, then why can’t they determine when they are trying to flail recklessly at a puck at or above face level? As long as you have Stapletons and Ennises flying around, someone is still gonna get chopped on a legal stick play such as Kane’s.

These guys dodge flying pucks that move past their faces at 95-105 mph, why not mandate shields and loosen up the rule on hi-sticking? It seems kind of silly when a guy doesn’t get penalized as long as he doesn’t hit someone when playing a puck out of the air anywhere else on the ice. Yeah, they lose possession and a F/O is moved to the other end, but why? There is no deterrent because players keep doing it over and over and over, it’s part of their instincts as they have been taught to deflect pucks from their teenage years on? Just seems like some of the rules are overkill when it’s okay to ram a guy’s head into a stanchion accidentally. Perhaps it should only be a disallowed goal or penalty if Kaner actually hits somebody? IDK

glovesave29

March 16th, 2011
4:25 pm

‘ Cause if ya give an inch, players will take a mile. Nothing wrong with what Kaner did. But you know what will happen if they allow this…it’ll get ugly. Rules will slowly just like the rules set in place after the lock out to open up the game. Where has that gone? Same will apply here.

Plus deflections don’t always go where intended. If your blade is already at eye level, it’s awfully easy to catch someone in the face. The shield can sometimes only makes it worse. I had one of my D men once take a puck under the shield and all it did was rattle around and rip his upper lip to shreds.

Freak injuries happen. Its the nature of the game. It’s the leagues job to minimize the risk.

Red Light

March 16th, 2011
4:31 pm

Smoothie: If Kane wasn’t constantly yapping at the referees for the first two periods last night, maybe they would have given him the benefit of the doubt on the tip-in.

Smoothie

March 16th, 2011
4:34 pm

I know what you’re saying glove, but unless all players are exactly the same height than it seems silly to allow a stick above the waist to play a puck out of the air. When the blade is between Kaner’s elbow and shoulder, it is still high enough to hit a player who may skate into the play either in a crouch or leaning over right smack in the face. Should that be a penalty? The game is played with a hard stick and a very hard puck so therefore the game is inherently dangerous. To allow any contact with the puck above the waist is dangerous. So it’s really a matter of where you draw the line. If I recall, Hossa poked Berard in the eye on a freak accident, not because he was playing the puck.

Just seems like there are too many gray areas already in enforcing rules that don’t necessarily inhibit the use of skill. Over-policing a play like this, which is pretty hard to do, seems like more of an injustice than over-policing hits from behind in the corner or along the wall when no skill is involved. We watch the game to see skillful things that we can’t see otherwise, not watch guys get drilled in the head and have their careers ended. Well, at least I do. I like the good, clean body check like anyone else, but I could do without out every single hit in the back by a player using a horizontal stick. Keep your stick down on the ice and push with your hand. Is that really so hard to do? Sorry, I digressed off topic, but I think dangerous hits such as the one I described are much more dangerous than a an extended stick that barely goes above the shoulder. But that’s just me.

Smoothie

March 16th, 2011
4:38 pm

R/L – touche. But unless you were there on the bench, how can you be so sure he was yapping that much? A lot of players yap and chirp a bunch, but I know what you’re saying…Kaner probably has a rep for extracurricular coversation. Good learning experience I suppose.

So what Top 2 d-man do we pursue in the off-season? Joe Friday’s interest in Bieksa makes sense for many reasons, but is there anyone you’d rather have? I still think we need more of a Morrisonn type, an another ornery guy like Stuart who is going to beat the hell out of you if he’s near you or in front of the net. If Buff can’t learn how to use his size effectively in front of the net, then he should be playing F.

World Be Free

March 16th, 2011
4:46 pm

Kane never shuts up and you can bet the refs never forget. Only Gretzky could ever get away with yapping that much. You would think Ramsay would pull him aside and tell him to shut his mouth and play.

I would really like Bieksa here, but then we would have to peddle a d-man, probably Bogosian. Why? Too much money tied up in defenseman when we are so close to the cap floor. I am not saying we should trade Bogo (if we get Bieksa) but we might have to trade Bogo. That will get us a top flight centerman or right winger.

jimbo

March 16th, 2011
4:50 pm

The goal was good but we didn’t get it. But look at what the Devils have accomplished with a coach who is a known strategist and tought task master. They came back from teh dead and are making one unbelievable run at the playoffs. Our Clueless Coach whispers about bad breaks, makes no changes and appears at times to actually be comatose behind the bench. Frustrating ending to a good start.

glovesave29

March 16th, 2011
4:53 pm

Smoothie – it’s the crossbar, not the waist. But we will just have to agree to disagree.

Do hate that two handed cross check to the lower back. Chris Pronger is the king of that. If I were calling the game, he’d be in the bin every time he pulled that. Flat out dirty play….

Smoothie

March 16th, 2011
5:02 pm

glove – I know, I was just using the waist as a “what-if” type scenario. You really want to keep players safe, no stick blade above the waist unless you’re shooting. Hell, Buff’s wind-up is a potential menace to someone who’s back-checking! ;) I’m just sayin’ I’d rather have other elements of the game policed heavily, like your Pronger example, but alas, the NHL doesn’t really have control of their game.

WBF – the only reason I think Bogey *could* be traded is so that we have a better chance of getting either a #1 C or young, potential stud sniper (think James van Riemsdyk, who just so happens was taken one pick before Bogey in the year prior to his drafting) in a trade. There aren’t any UFA forwards who will make a huge difference next season in my opinion (Knuble would be a nice to have if you knew you were definitely ready to make some noise in the playoffs) so unless you want to wait for your #5 or #6 pick to mature in 3 or 4 years, you’re gonna have to do something drastic. Either trade Bogey — since you committed $26 M to Byfuglien to be a D-man — or move Big Buff back to RW and draft the best C available this year. Yeah, I and Joe Friday wish! :)

World Be Free

March 16th, 2011
5:05 pm

Smoothie- was thinking van Riemsdyk too, but Philly would have to give more than that.
Versteeg maybe? OK, just kidding

Smoothie

March 16th, 2011
5:17 pm

WBF – lol, how about Carcillo then, he’s a RFA and we could use his grit and peskiness. Philly gets a cornerstone D-man to replace Pronger ultimately and we hopefully get our 30+ goal scorer for the next decade + a guy who can add some much needed sandpaper to a paper-mache line-up. Would be especially important if Slater doesn’t ever regain his previous form. Then again, perhaps the knock in the head will make him into a 15-goal scorer! ;)

glovesave29

March 16th, 2011
5:18 pm

It’ll have to be trades this summer as the UFA crop is really thin. Beyond Erik Cole and Ville Lieno, there’s not much out there I’d want. I’d consider giving up draft picks before trading Bogey. Supposed to be a thin draft this year. Zachs’ been looking better. I wanna see how he buckles down next season after this disappointing campaign before I give up on him.

Was looking at the UFA list and forgot that Brashear was on our payroll. I despise the guy, but think his toughness might have served this team well.

R. Stroz

March 16th, 2011
5:32 pm

Smoothie

March 16th, 2011
5:35 pm

glove – would you trade our #1 this year without a 2nd rounder for JvR?

glovesave29

March 16th, 2011
5:39 pm

Straight up…? Probably not. But it does depend on what number our draft pick is.

ZAvalanche

March 16th, 2011
5:41 pm

Glove – I respect your arguments and they are all valid. Quite valid in fact. I still think hitting a puck out of mid-air if it is above the crossbar should be a goal. If the NHL is concerned about safety they should institute full shields . Will that prevent every injury to the face, no. But it would go a long way.

ZAvalanche

March 16th, 2011
5:47 pm

What I meant is “will that completely prevent injury to the face”. I wear a full shield every game and I honestly think that if I didn’t I wouldn’t have all my chicklets. It amazes me that old school players didn’t wear helmets or face guards = tough players.

Point being, I am more worried about my shoulders and knees than I am about my face. I can still walk around and manipulate things with a busted lip.

glovesave29

March 16th, 2011
5:58 pm

You mean a full face protector…a la college?

thrasherdawg

March 16th, 2011
6:20 pm

Just change the rule….if the puck goes in the net off a stick it’s good. That would fix all the problems.

It was the wrong call. I have 113 inch screen and can run “frame by frame”, maybe Toronto should do the same. Toronto counts a goal that is a good foot-and-a-half over the crossbar (Phoenix game) and calls this a no-goal when it is clearly touched under the crossbar.

Maybe Toronto should get a 113 inch screen so they can see what the heck they are doing. Whatever method they are using now ain’t workin. They have cost the Thrashers at least 2 points and maybe 4. All we fans ask is that you get it right. Apparently, that seems to be alittle to much.

Chico

March 16th, 2011
7:07 pm

Rawhide, glad it was helpful. Atlanta fought and pounded the Devils for long stretches of the game and certainly deserved to get a point, even if I’m glad they didn’t get it as a New Jersey fan. I hope that, whether they leave or are replaced (and I can’t see the NHL swapping them out), they build a fan base worthy of the effort. Your guys left everything out there on the ice. Focus on all the positives, whether our teams make the playoffs or not, so long as they go down fighting for every shaving of ice.

ZAvalanche

March 16th, 2011
7:13 pm

Glove, yes, a full cage that they use in college. Though I have to admit, I cut out the center part of the cage so I can see through it. A stick could get in there, but it is better than no cage!

Rawhide

March 16th, 2011
7:36 pm

Chico – We always appreciate fans from opposing teams chiming in with their comments presented in the fashion yours were. It really does a lot for the overall conversation. Thanks again and good luck to your Devils from here out.

ZAvalanche

March 16th, 2011
7:36 pm

Oh no, I am in for another ugly one. Avs in Vancouver tonight. When is the pain going to stop?

ZAvalanche

March 16th, 2011
7:39 pm

Chico, you sir are a good fan and well-mannered. As an Avs fan you know what I think about the Devils but it always impresses me to read comments from reasonable people. Kudos to you brutha.

Dave

March 16th, 2011
8:50 pm

Ramsey does not have to go and this team plays their hearts out every night. One, they are a very young team and two they simply don’t have the depth of talent yet. They are going to be a playoff team next year … let’s just hope it’s here in Atlanta. Go Thrashers.

LAC

March 16th, 2011
9:31 pm

I like Postma over bogosain any day, he played solid defense and showed a lot of poise on the ice
esp…. around the net, something zach never does. So zach should go.

Will devorak resign ???? Why he has NOTHING to offer and that trade is my reason dudley should go if and when a new owner is established, he is Terrible !

Lastly, sorry to see “little” cliffy attacking Sage and others yet again on the blog. Doesn’t it get old cliffy ? You sure do ! All you do is jump on others, and offer nothing constructive to the blog, except mindless attacking, I know you have heard enough of Mr.Sage, I have sure heard more than enough from your mouth.

ZAvalanche

March 16th, 2011
9:44 pm

Wow, one heck of a game between Wash and Det tonight. Sick skills on all sides.

thrashersaddict

March 16th, 2011
11:11 pm

Last game for me tomorrow. I will enjoy regardless of the outcome…I will also look forward to returning to Phillips next year to watch my ATLANTA Thrashers! I love hockey, I love Atlanta and I love this team. I will miss you during the playoffs and off season but I will be anxious to see you again next season. Next year I will only have to miss you during the off season…who wants to place a bet???

Hockey Puck

March 16th, 2011
11:55 pm

“The Germans have bombed Pearl Harbor”

ZAvalanche

March 17th, 2011
12:37 am

The Germans bombed my teams…..

ZAvalanche

March 17th, 2011
12:47 am

It is official. God hates me and all of my teams.

Brendan

March 17th, 2011
4:20 am

What’s the Kovy trade again? Cormier, Oduya, Dvorak rental (via Bergfors,) and what else? What was the 1st rounder given to Chicago for??? I can’t remember.

What’s the Lehtonen trade? We got Vishnevskiy, which we then traded for ?? I can’t remember, anymore. Was it Andrew Ladd?? If so, that’s at least something decent, presumming Ladd re-signs for a longterm deal.

What’s the Hossa trade’s legacy? Three prospects (Angelo Esposito, Daultan Leveille, and Eric O’Dell, via Erik Christensen) and a UFA (Colby Armstrong) that walked for nothing.

It’s easy, I think, for some to want to dismiss a high-end 1st rounder or a previous high-end 1st rounder, like a Zach Bogosian, because we’ve seen it end badly, all too often. Review this post for a second. Kovy, Hossa (via Heatley), and Lehtonen were all lottery draft picks of this franchise, who got “salvaged” for what could be found. Now, add to the discussion Patrik Stefan, who was shipped out for Niko Kapanen (now retired, in 2008) and prospect Will O’Neil. Stefan was a 1st overall selection in 1999. Someone out in cyberland just screamed, “Don’t forget Coburn for Zhitnik for that 2003 1st rounder.” Yeah, I was just getting to that. In 2004, Boris Valabik is looking a bit better, since the return is a re-signed on a 3-year deal, Mark Stuart. I won’t count Blake Wheeler as part of the Valabik trade to Boston. Wheeler was for Rich Peverley, a waiver claim by Atlanta via Nashville. In time, that’s a win for Atlanta. In 2005, that seemingly disasterous series of trades of moving from 8th overall to 16th overall, only to select Alex Bourret, gets a bit better knowing that Ondrej Pavelec (12th overall pick traded to obtain him) is the # 1 goalie in Atlanta. I won’t mention Chad Denny (41st overall). But I will say … that Alex Bourret was traded to the NY Rangers for Pascal Dupuis and the Rangers’ 3rd rounder, which was then dealt to Pittsburgh for the newly re-signed to a 3-year deal Chris Thorburn. So, that 2005 1st rounder is really Pavelec (via 12th overall pick) and Thorburn (via Bourret), and busted pick (Chad Denny) today. Someone just screamed, “Brendan, ya know Kopitar, Setoguchi, and Mark Staal were all there for the taking at 8th overall, in 2005, right?” Bygones.

I wouldn’t call our 2006 pick, Bryan Little, a failure. I just hope he can return to 31 goal status, one fine day. Our 2007 1st and 3rd picks belong to the St. Louis Blues for the Tkachuk rental, along with a 2nd rounder (McRae) in 2008. We don’t really know what will yet happen with respect to Bogosian (2008), Kane (2009) and Burmistrov (2010). Will they be trade deadline day “salvaged” for what the market will bear? Or will they actually be properly developed by the Thrashers?

Enter the 2011 Draft. If Dudley is going to trade that pick, then what do we hope for? The “salvagable” return, that would happen eight years later, (in 2019,) which, if history is our guide, are nothing more than middling prospects, 3rd line forwards or 4-5-6 defenders, and low-end 1st round picks. No, that’s not what I hope for. If we’re moving a Top Ten overall pick … it’s got to be for something better than that. Otherwise, we’re better off TRYING to develop the prospect ourselves, and control his rights for the next eight years.

This post just got Ranallo’d, didn’t it?

Brendan

March 17th, 2011
4:23 am

ZAvalanche, are you favorite teams the Cincinnati Bengals, L.A. Clippers, Chicago Cubs, Kansas City Royals, Florida Panthers, and Detroit Lions?

O'Rawhide

March 17th, 2011
6:48 am

This post just got Ranallo’d, didn’t it?

O’Brendan – At 4:20 am? No, ye not be gettin’ ranalloed at that time ‘o the blessed mornin’…but ye did now!

It’s time again, Thrasherville, for our annual St. Patty’s Day celebration blog.

R. Stroz

March 19th, 2011
11:30 pm

Rawhide

March 22nd, 2011
9:24 am

R. Stroz – Nope.