Crushing loss for Thrashers follows disallowed Kane goal

Was it a good goal…or was it not?

That’s sure to be the topic of debate today after the Thrashers fell to the New Jersey Devils Tuesday night. Trailing 3-2 in the dying seconds of the third period, Evander Kane got his stick on the puck as it was fired toward Martin Brodeur’s net and deflected it in for the game-tying score.

However, the ref waived off the goal claiming the puck was played with a high stick. Kane, while sitting on the bench waiting for the review call from Toronto, seemed to believe the call on the ice was …ahem…shall we say, “male bovine excrement”.

Later he would simply say, “I definitely disagree with the call.”

Ilya Kovalchuk then potted an empty netter, the Devils won 4-2 and for the first time this season have a points winning percentage above .500. The team that once was 10-29-2 and sitting in last place at New Years has gone 23-2-3 and has pulled even with the Thrashers in the standings with 70 points and has a game in hand.

Jacob Josefson celbrates what turned out to be the game-winning goal in front of the Thrashers bench. Later in the game it seemed as though Evander Kane had tied it, but the refs saw it differently (AP Photo/Julio Cortez)

Jacob Josefson celbrates what turned out to be the game-winning goal in front of the Thrashers bench. Later in the game it seemed as though Evander Kane had tied it, but the refs saw it differently (AP Photo/Julio Cortez)

Heading in the opposite direction during the Devils’ second half surge, Atlanta is now 7-14-6 in the last 27 games dating back to early January.

As for the “no goal” call…I’ve seen the replay from all angles, just as I’m sure you all have by now. I’ve even removed my blue-tinted glasses in an attempt to view it from an objective and unbiased viewpoint. But I just have to tell you to me it looked like a good goal, the puck making contact with the stick while it was on a downward swing and below the height of the crossbar.

Unfortunately, I wasn’t sitting in the official replay official’s seat and was therefore unable to reverse the call.

Making this even that much more frustrating for Thrashers fans is remembering the “goal” that was allowed for the Coyotes out in Phoenix last month that led to a 4-3 Atlanta loss.

…shrugs…

However, while you are debating the ruling…a call that very well may have cost the Thrashers at least a shot at contesting for the postseason down the stretch…there is one thing I don’t want you to lose sight of. Atlanta found themselves in a desperate struggle to try and tie the score at the end of the game because they once again failed to properly handle a two-goal lead earlier in the contest. It’s something that they’ve had issues with the last four times they’ve been blessed with such an advantage.

Just as they did in Carolina last week, and against the Panthers on March 5, and in Edmonton on February 19, the Thrashers saw the opposition come back to tie the game after going up by two. This time, just as was the case against the Oilers, they failed to come away with any points…and the results were just as crushing.

What do you think of the "no goal" call that negated Kane's score?

  • Good call by the ref. The puck was played by a high stick (21%, 35 Votes)
  • It was a load of male bovine excrement (79%, 130 Votes)

Total Voters: 165

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Tim Stapleton and Chris Thorburn staked the team to a late first period lead. Stapleton converted by tipping in a very nice spinning backhand pass from Kane off the left boards at the 15:24. Thorburn then powered his way around the Devils defense 65 seconds later for his 8th of the season.

For Stapleton it was his third goal in the last eight games…his first coming just after the Thrashers had waived him. In contrast, the snake-bit Bryan Little has tickled the twine only once in the last 22 games dating back to the middle of January.

But as stated prior, the Thrashers were unable to handle their success. They couldn’t even make it out of the period with their two-goal advantage as Travis Zajac cut the lead in half at 18:52. Patrik Elias tied the game just over five minutes into the second then Jacob Josefson put the Devils ahead for good 3-2 just 4:14 into the third.

Also, as has been the case in so many games this year, the Thrashers seemed completely unable to deal with whatever adjustments were made by the opposition coming out of the first and second intermission. In the middle frame alone they were out-shot 9-2 by New Jersey after they came out of the break flying.

I’m guessing Clint Malarchuk did not deliver a second period motivational talk during the second period this night.

So while you debate whether or not Kane was robbed on that tip-in goal late in the game, remember they were only in that position because they failed once again to hold off a team after taking a two-goal lead. That, and giving up an untimely goals late in the first period and coming out flat early in the other two didn’t helpmatters either.

And this time, it may have cost them more than just a game.

124 comments Add your comment

oh well

March 16th, 2011
10:30 am

Craig Ramsay coached the boys up for a few games early in season. Then he lost their attention completely. Will never get attention back. Note difference between early Thrashers compared to these, uh, figure skaters. Not pleasant at all. :(

MASHAPlayer7

March 16th, 2011
10:31 am

Just an observation, but I wonder if it’s much harder to officiate in this day’s NHL for the same reason headshots and concussions are now an issue…speed of the game. Alas, where a baseball umpire gets a long look at balls and strikes or an NFL official gets a 30 second break between plays, NHL officials have to skate like the players, avoid frozen rubber at high speeds, and avoid 12 bodies on a surface of 200 x 85 feet. It’s the damn hardest officiating job in all sports. I wasn’t happy with the call, but I won’t be putting blames on refs anytime soon. That’s what instant replay in Toronto is for….to complement the on-ice officiating crew’s difficult job. The real travesty is not the missed calls on the ice – it’s Toronto failed to overturn it to the correct call!

AtlFlamesFan

March 16th, 2011
10:34 am

It was hard to tell from the replay how high Evander’s stick was when the puck made contact. I would hope on close plays that the ref would let it go. However, let’s realize that the crossbar is only 48” high. Take a 6’ guy like Kane, put him on 3” skate blades, and you get to 4’ not far above the belly button.

Zombie Steve

March 16th, 2011
10:37 am

I agree with Tom. I would expect our coach to pull a “Jim Playfair” with a call like that.

AtlFlamesFan

March 16th, 2011
10:40 am

Once the on-ice official makes a call, only “conclusive evidence” can overturn it (even though we have been burned by Toronto this year with conclusive evidence lacking).

I would like to see that definition lightend so that the Toronto can overturn a call if they “believe that the call was incorrect”. Heck, I would like the ref to say to Toronto “Hey, I am not really sure, I think it was a high stick, but what do you guys think?”

Jason

March 16th, 2011
10:53 am

I did find it odd how that review was finished so quickly, whereas reviews in games like ours a Phoenix or games in Atlanta take forever in comparison.

Perhaps if the NHL went back to “calling the rules that are already in the rulebook” like they did the first season after the lockout, it would be a better game. That being said, I think players try – and succeed – at getting away with more because of the lack of veteran officials on the ice. A couple of weeks ago when Bill McCreary was in Atlanta, we saw one of the cleanest-played games of the season. When the experience level of the officials is low, and the respect level of the players towards the officials’ abilities matches, you get what you’re seeing lately.

Smoothie

March 16th, 2011
10:54 am

Ref was in terrible position (far corner virtually behind Kaner) to make such a “definitive” call. That’s what irks me so. Compared to the hi-stick tip goal that was called “good” on the ice in PHX, this looked like a very adroit stick play by Kane who seemingly timed the puck contact on the downward descent when the blade was just above his elbow line practically parallel to the ice at that point. No way a ref standing behind Kane can make that call unless he’s behind the net, but he was far from it standing in the corner. Load of female equine excrement, and that is foul!

BTW, Bergfors has ONE goal and 3 helpers in 8 games. Big deal.

And Cam Fowler is a -24 on the season…that’s stellar eh? I reckon Zacthel would have at least 7 goals if he got the PP time that Fowler got for the first 50+ games of the season. Grass is always greener.

Team needs to learn how to play better defense, period. Dvorak got worked on the Zajact tip as he let up in tracking him and got beat to the slot cuz he was floating. 2nd goal was good execution by the Devils but if Wheeler hits the net for a rebound instead of the errant saucer pass, the transition leading to the goal never materializes. 3rd goal was terrible D as all 3 forwards were just standing between the dots but no one really marked a man making it easy for Josefsen to slip to the spot. Stuart tried to hit Tedenby but he slipped away. Had Stapes been playing aggressive man to man on the C (Josefsen), perhaps he can stick jack him before the shot. And Pavelec was asleep on the 3rd goal.

Michael B. Shapiro

March 16th, 2011
10:55 am

When the coach is emotionless, the team will play that way as well. Sigh. Another playoff season on TV for us.

Buff-n-stuff

March 16th, 2011
11:14 am

RAWHIDE

For what it is worth, I am going to go out on a limb and say that the Thrasher’s are doomed…..how so you may ask? Well, it is not for the reasons you might think, it is because of none that the Commish Himself, Gary Bettman. His disdain for the ASG and the whole ownership debacle, has likely given him the impetus to mandate to officials around the NHL to “NOT” give the Thrasher’s ANY CALLS. Case is point….The Phoenix goal that was played with a high stick and allowed them Coyote’s to win the game…..last night’s disallowed goal by Evander, and many more calls that just do not go the way of the Trash. Think about all of these interference “No calls” that happen game after game after game. Our announcers on both TV and radio bring it up nearly every game.

Face it, the league wants us out of Atlanta so bad, and truly doesn’t want us to sneak into that final 8th playoff spot, because that could give the ASG life, or better yet, entice someone to buy the team and “keep them” in Atlanta. Bettman simply wants to right the wrongs in Winnipeg and Ottawa.

This is the conspiracy theory.

Joe Tess Fish House

March 16th, 2011
11:34 am

This team neds a gold scorer. They had 1 in Kolvachock yet the Trashers let him get a way.

NHL Ready

March 16th, 2011
11:37 am

Stick a Fork in me because I am done with this team. Mason stood on his head last game and the butt hole Coach starts Pav’s. Give me a break Pav’s is not the guy or do we even have a good Goalie. This whole thing is a total screw up starting with the Coach. We always get crap sick of it.

World Be Free

March 16th, 2011
12:03 pm

LAC-Kerry was consistent, as were others of the “no helmet” era for officials. NHL hockey used to be like baseball, where you knew what you were getting as soon as they stepped on to the field. MASHA brings up some real good points too. I am not sure where this is all going, but I can tell you the Thrashers will not make playoffs and it’s their own fault.

Every professional sports leagues has its favorites, we know that. The NHL has the Detroit, Rangers, Philly, Boston, Pittsburgh, Chicago etc as primary markets. But to say that the league has it out for Atlanta is taking it a little too far. I just don’t see the sense in it, especially when the league needs a new TV deal to move forward. As for the Kane call, let’s face it people, had the Thrashers played 60 minutes that goal should not have mattered in the game as much as it does today. You can believe the conspiracy theory if you wish.

cousin Eddie

March 16th, 2011
12:03 pm

I think Ramsay’s lack of emotion comes from health issues. He can’t get to worked up in fear of collapsing. The call is what it is, a misjudgement call, but that is the game. Thrashers lost this game way before that call. Let’s move on and hope for better performances from our boys so we don’t rely on the refs!

Joe McGrath

March 16th, 2011
12:04 pm

Ramsey looks like that pedophile from Family Guy. Mr Herbert.

Midfield

March 16th, 2011
12:18 pm

Buff, I don’t think Bettman instructs referees how to call games, but there definitely is favoritism out there; incompetent and indifferent ownership never helps; and referees are well aware of who’s who in the league. So, in a round-about way, it’s a double wami for the players and coaching staff. That’s why, the star players have been jumping the ship at first opportunity. Ramsey may as well be thinking – what’s the point? If I throw a fit, they might as well fine me – that’s all.

Thrashy Thrashy

March 16th, 2011
1:02 pm

Whenever I see someone knock Rammer’s toughness, I always refer back to this blog:

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/timwharnsby/2010/12/thrashers-thankful-that-ramsay-once-cheated-death.html?ref=rss

Whatever we think of his coaching ability and/or tactics, there is no question that Rammer is a tough dude.

Tom

March 16th, 2011
1:12 pm

Thrashy, I never questioned Rammer’s toughness. It is his fire and passion that seems to be lacking at times.

This team plays best when it is flying around in the corners hitting. Witness the 3rd period of the Flyers game. This team typically resembles it’s coach in a passive and cerebral approach and it does not get it done.

We do not have the skills to play a purely cerebral game like the Red Wings do. We need to inject the passion every night to get the guys performing to the upper limits.

That is why Slater is missed so much right now. It was not until the team put the Greek Gods back together did we go on our run in November. Why, because the GGs went into the corner and hit getting everyone fired up.

A little more fire coming from the bench, a little more hitting on the ice, and a little more passion from the players and we could have, painful words, been in the playoffs…

Sage of Bluesland

March 16th, 2011
1:20 pm

Wow, there ARE actually some sheep out there who beweive in such dramatic conspiracy-theories! Just wow.

Could’ve, Would’ve, Should’ve….Don’t Joe-Bob-Friday-Revisionist-Historian yourselves thinking a “passionate” guy could’ve made silk purses out of sows’ ears.

It’s not happening, folks, like it or not. Blame the chef all you want, but when the kitchen should be condemned due to its pitiful mismanagement and the ingredients are this side of pathetic, then don’t be surprised when the meal makes you sick….

It’s so simple, really. Some just want to bewieve so badly, I guess? Maybe they need a feeling-confirming spweadsheet from our resident genius? It’ll make you feel better, I guess, as “statistics” tend to do….Or, maybe Alan’s “incremental progress”?

I do get a good laugh from here, that’s for sure….Thank you ALL so much!

Thrashers27

March 16th, 2011
1:30 pm

The call was total BS, but as someone else mentioned earlier; if Thrashers had held the league, it wouldn’t matter.

Now, let’s hope coach uses that blown call to help the team generate what our old friend B-b-bbbbobby Bouchet would call “tacklin’ fuel” for the remaining 11-12 games.

SomaAtl95

March 16th, 2011
1:38 pm

Sage, you are the Cliff Claven of our little group, except Cliff wasn’t mean spirited. Sometimes I swear your real last name must be Hoover, because you suck all of the fun out of coming to this blog.
Assuming the A$G sells the team and assuming that DW is shown the door will you be here as a supportive fan or still the person who gives grief to anyone else who either has hope or an opinion that differs from yours? We all have our squabbles from time to time but as long as I have been coming to this blog you have been enigmatic, to say the least.
Sometimes I swear you are our equivalent of Eric Cartman.

Y.E. Yang

March 16th, 2011
1:42 pm

Hey Sage, bite me “yang” you putz.

Joe Friday

March 16th, 2011
1:46 pm

“the Florida trade was the final straw for me. Shortly after saying he would not trade picks or young players, what did he do ???? Trade for a washed up 34 year old UFA who will not be here next season and has done not one damn thing since he came here. Bergfors has scored three goals and has four assist’s since departing Atlanta.”

I agree that the Bergfors for Dvorak trade was very, very bad. I’m perplexed by that one. Dvorak brings nothing to the table and Bergfors was a young, cheap RFA with upside. That was a stinker, for sure, but give Dudley some time.

Stendec back? Good, this place needs more characters and I wear a cup when coming to talk about a man’s game, man up, Sallys!

The playoffs were gone a while ago. Keep an eye on that light at the end of the tunnel. We get new owners by July 1st and a new coach, things can be quickly moved forward building around the nice young core here. Ladd, Buf, and Kane (who is showing some maturation in his game here lately) as well as Bogo are some nice players. Little is a fine 2nd line center and Wheeler has some upside but needs to be on the 2nd line as well.

Cliff Fletcher

March 16th, 2011
1:51 pm

sage//

people can think what they want to think, even an idiot with a mind as small as yours.

what you don’t realize is that we are all laughing at you.

Hockey Biltong

March 16th, 2011
2:01 pm

uuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp!!!!!!!!!

Y.E. Yang

March 16th, 2011
2:12 pm

stendec is biggest tool I meet since Eldrick Woods, aye.

Zombie Steve

March 16th, 2011
2:18 pm

I’m still going to the remaining games… the only thing to look forward to now is the departure of the Warpigs.

World Be Free

March 16th, 2011
2:23 pm

Agreed Joe-you have to look forward.

The issue I have with Bergfors is who in the scouting staff recommended he be part of the Kovalchuk trade? I think we have seen his shortcomings – I think Dudley dumped him on the only team that would take him, just like the Eagles dumping McNabb on Washington. No other suitors means get a bag of pucks = Dvorak.

Joe Friday

March 16th, 2011
2:41 pm

WBF, who did we get for Kovy. Bergfors, Oduya, Cormier, and their 1st? To me, Dudley saw this as the return, in order of priority:

Cormier was the prize, then the 1st, then Oduya, then Bergfors. Didn’t we give Salmela back along with Kovy? So, Oduya for Salmela straight up (Sweet Lou won that part of it) and then we we got Cormier, the 1st, and Bergfors as a throw in, for Kovy (and this part of it looks to be a wash to me, we win just moving on from the all Kovy all the time show and the Devils have the sniper they needed).

World Be Free

March 16th, 2011
2:45 pm

Yeah we included Salmela back. Let’s hope Cormier turns out to be the leader he displayed in juniors. I think he was rushed to Atlanta too soon.

Always remember what Sam Pollack said about any trade-the team that gets the best player in the deal wins the deal. Guess that worked for him in Montreal when he traded Billy Hickey to Oakland for the Seals’ first round pick-which turned out to be Guy LaFleur.

Joe Friday

March 16th, 2011
2:55 pm

Yes, Sweet Lou does win the deal, but remember the context We had to move him, or he would have signed elsewhere as a UFA and we get nothing in return. So, once that decision was made by Kovy to go, we win by getting return.

I agree Cormier is here too soon. Burmistrov as well. But at least they got some good experience this year, I don’t think you can break a forward by playing them too young like you can screw up a dman or goalie by having them back there too early

Joe glass half full Friday

March 16th, 2011
3:00 pm

New Owners, New Head Coach

Kane-UFA Center-Buf
Wheeler-Little-Ladd
Stewart-Burmistrov-Cormier
Boulton-Slater-Thorburn

Bieksa-Bogosian
Enstrom-Hainsey
Stuart-Postma

Pavs-Mason

New owners bring the payroll up to low $50s and you sign those two guys (new #1 center and new #1 dman) and bring in an NHL head coach or hand the keys to Torch and you got a club there. We’re not that far away, but it all needs to start with the new owners by July 1st

Red Light

March 16th, 2011
3:03 pm

I nominate Joe Friday’s 2:41 p.m. post as the most uninformed comment since Custer said, “Over that hill are friendly Indians.”

:)

ZAvalanche

March 16th, 2011
3:10 pm

Hmm, a VERY lot to digest from the comments here on St Patrick’s eve.

Glove – I still think a goal from a high stick should count. If the player hits another player with a high stick (happens a lot as you know) then the goal is disallowed and the player gets his requisite 2 minutes.

I don’t think the league has it out for Atl. They are a business and have nothing to gain from burning down a potentially big market team.

Yes I think the ref messed up the call, as did Toronto. Happens all of the time in every sport. And as hockey is the fastest non-motorized sport, making the right call is much more difficult. Consider how p!ssed all of Buffalo was after Brett Hull scored in game 6 of the Finals to win the cup? Based on the rules of that time it wasn’t a goal. Huge mess-up by the refs.

Brendan – you are correct on the need for a system to definitively determine where the stick is in such a situation. All they would need is a fixed camera at both ends at the same height as the cross bar = easy to do.

People have mentioned that we need more scorers. Not true. We need more defense. Pavs is a fantastic goalie he just doesn’t have much help. Why do teams come back on us after we have a lead? Ummm, yeah, we can’t defend our zone. Glove, please confirm on this: any goalie who has no defense and is facing NHL quality players is being left out to dry. In no way is our problem at the goalie position.

Custer

March 16th, 2011
3:13 pm

I resent that RL

Smoothie

March 16th, 2011
3:22 pm

LouLam only wins the deal because he managed to sign Kovy long-term. And we have yet to see the long-term ramifications of that. If they make the playoffs, everyone will say how great Kovy is and how they never could have done it without Lemaire and Kovy…uh huh, okay? Anyway, the trade hinges upon what comes of Cormier (will he be our 3rd line C and leadership cornerstone that Dudley thinks he can be?) and how well Byfuglien grows into being a defenseman as the #1 pick was flipped to CHI for Dustin was it not? There are a lot of variables. But if you can’t re-sign the rental, and you don’t do squat in the playoffs, do you really win the trade? Exhibit A: Keith Tkachuk

ZAvalanche

March 16th, 2011
3:33 pm

If Kovy could get over his ego, man, he would be a serious force.

As for exhibit A: Keith Tkachuk played really well in the West, he was just too old.

glovesave29

March 16th, 2011
3:51 pm

Really ZA? You are going to trade in player safety for a goal now and again? When Buff or Kaner are out for the rest of the season with a face that’s been caved in because the league allows players to swing at high rebounds? Never gonna happen because its a bad idea.

With regards to Pavs – here’s my thought…you ever watch Ramsay’s Kitchen Nightmares? Pav’s is like the bad chef who gonna gewt reamed by Gordon, because as soon as the things around him spiraled out of control – he falls back into his old habits and makes things even worse. But that could just be immaturity on his behalf. He’s got the right attitude and the athletic gifts. He’s a GOOD goalie but not a GREAT one. Only time will tell. After the PHI game, I TOTALLY disagree with OP getting the start. Mason earned it.

The root of the issue is that players play a different system in the ECHL, then the AHL, and again in the NHL. HELL – even HS football coaches get the local kids leagues and the Jr HS teams to play the same system so that once they are in HS, the plays and defenses are an afterthought. As disappointed as I am in Rammer’s lack of fire – I certainly give him another season to see if the system works. Once we can get some consistency and some chemistry working, we may be OK on D. We certainly have some talented pieces. But right now the sum of the parts is LESS than the individual pieces.

Joe glass half full Friday

March 16th, 2011
3:51 pm

Oh, Red Light, did I insult one of your favorite diminutive Swedie dmen again, sorry! Salmela will be a better player than than Oduya. Or mabye you’re still bristling about Dvorak being a waste of space, much less waiting for him to “fit in” or whatever you called for patience on . . . :)

Smoothie

March 16th, 2011
4:06 pm

glovesave – while I agree that you can’t afford to have players waving and flailing the air with their sticks in the attempt to knock pucks out of the sky, why shouldn’t Kaner be allowed to do what he did? It was not a dangerous play as his blade was above his shoulder for really just a split second and his stick was moving down the whole time. I think the ref, since they are supposed to use subjective judgment now to determine if a blade is above the cross-bar, or when I guy is simply following through on a shot before hitting a face, then why can’t they determine when they are trying to flail recklessly at a puck at or above face level? As long as you have Stapletons and Ennises flying around, someone is still gonna get chopped on a legal stick play such as Kane’s.

These guys dodge flying pucks that move past their faces at 95-105 mph, why not mandate shields and loosen up the rule on hi-sticking? It seems kind of silly when a guy doesn’t get penalized as long as he doesn’t hit someone when playing a puck out of the air anywhere else on the ice. Yeah, they lose possession and a F/O is moved to the other end, but why? There is no deterrent because players keep doing it over and over and over, it’s part of their instincts as they have been taught to deflect pucks from their teenage years on? Just seems like some of the rules are overkill when it’s okay to ram a guy’s head into a stanchion accidentally. Perhaps it should only be a disallowed goal or penalty if Kaner actually hits somebody? IDK

glovesave29

March 16th, 2011
4:25 pm

‘ Cause if ya give an inch, players will take a mile. Nothing wrong with what Kaner did. But you know what will happen if they allow this…it’ll get ugly. Rules will slowly just like the rules set in place after the lock out to open up the game. Where has that gone? Same will apply here.

Plus deflections don’t always go where intended. If your blade is already at eye level, it’s awfully easy to catch someone in the face. The shield can sometimes only makes it worse. I had one of my D men once take a puck under the shield and all it did was rattle around and rip his upper lip to shreds.

Freak injuries happen. Its the nature of the game. It’s the leagues job to minimize the risk.

Red Light

March 16th, 2011
4:31 pm

Smoothie: If Kane wasn’t constantly yapping at the referees for the first two periods last night, maybe they would have given him the benefit of the doubt on the tip-in.

Smoothie

March 16th, 2011
4:34 pm

I know what you’re saying glove, but unless all players are exactly the same height than it seems silly to allow a stick above the waist to play a puck out of the air. When the blade is between Kaner’s elbow and shoulder, it is still high enough to hit a player who may skate into the play either in a crouch or leaning over right smack in the face. Should that be a penalty? The game is played with a hard stick and a very hard puck so therefore the game is inherently dangerous. To allow any contact with the puck above the waist is dangerous. So it’s really a matter of where you draw the line. If I recall, Hossa poked Berard in the eye on a freak accident, not because he was playing the puck.

Just seems like there are too many gray areas already in enforcing rules that don’t necessarily inhibit the use of skill. Over-policing a play like this, which is pretty hard to do, seems like more of an injustice than over-policing hits from behind in the corner or along the wall when no skill is involved. We watch the game to see skillful things that we can’t see otherwise, not watch guys get drilled in the head and have their careers ended. Well, at least I do. I like the good, clean body check like anyone else, but I could do without out every single hit in the back by a player using a horizontal stick. Keep your stick down on the ice and push with your hand. Is that really so hard to do? Sorry, I digressed off topic, but I think dangerous hits such as the one I described are much more dangerous than a an extended stick that barely goes above the shoulder. But that’s just me.

Smoothie

March 16th, 2011
4:38 pm

R/L – touche. But unless you were there on the bench, how can you be so sure he was yapping that much? A lot of players yap and chirp a bunch, but I know what you’re saying…Kaner probably has a rep for extracurricular coversation. Good learning experience I suppose.

So what Top 2 d-man do we pursue in the off-season? Joe Friday’s interest in Bieksa makes sense for many reasons, but is there anyone you’d rather have? I still think we need more of a Morrisonn type, an another ornery guy like Stuart who is going to beat the hell out of you if he’s near you or in front of the net. If Buff can’t learn how to use his size effectively in front of the net, then he should be playing F.

World Be Free

March 16th, 2011
4:46 pm

Kane never shuts up and you can bet the refs never forget. Only Gretzky could ever get away with yapping that much. You would think Ramsay would pull him aside and tell him to shut his mouth and play.

I would really like Bieksa here, but then we would have to peddle a d-man, probably Bogosian. Why? Too much money tied up in defenseman when we are so close to the cap floor. I am not saying we should trade Bogo (if we get Bieksa) but we might have to trade Bogo. That will get us a top flight centerman or right winger.

jimbo

March 16th, 2011
4:50 pm

The goal was good but we didn’t get it. But look at what the Devils have accomplished with a coach who is a known strategist and tought task master. They came back from teh dead and are making one unbelievable run at the playoffs. Our Clueless Coach whispers about bad breaks, makes no changes and appears at times to actually be comatose behind the bench. Frustrating ending to a good start.

glovesave29

March 16th, 2011
4:53 pm

Smoothie – it’s the crossbar, not the waist. But we will just have to agree to disagree.

Do hate that two handed cross check to the lower back. Chris Pronger is the king of that. If I were calling the game, he’d be in the bin every time he pulled that. Flat out dirty play….

Smoothie

March 16th, 2011
5:02 pm

glove – I know, I was just using the waist as a “what-if” type scenario. You really want to keep players safe, no stick blade above the waist unless you’re shooting. Hell, Buff’s wind-up is a potential menace to someone who’s back-checking! ;) I’m just sayin’ I’d rather have other elements of the game policed heavily, like your Pronger example, but alas, the NHL doesn’t really have control of their game.

WBF – the only reason I think Bogey *could* be traded is so that we have a better chance of getting either a #1 C or young, potential stud sniper (think James van Riemsdyk, who just so happens was taken one pick before Bogey in the year prior to his drafting) in a trade. There aren’t any UFA forwards who will make a huge difference next season in my opinion (Knuble would be a nice to have if you knew you were definitely ready to make some noise in the playoffs) so unless you want to wait for your #5 or #6 pick to mature in 3 or 4 years, you’re gonna have to do something drastic. Either trade Bogey — since you committed $26 M to Byfuglien to be a D-man — or move Big Buff back to RW and draft the best C available this year. Yeah, I and Joe Friday wish! :)

World Be Free

March 16th, 2011
5:05 pm

Smoothie- was thinking van Riemsdyk too, but Philly would have to give more than that.
Versteeg maybe? OK, just kidding

Smoothie

March 16th, 2011
5:17 pm

WBF – lol, how about Carcillo then, he’s a RFA and we could use his grit and peskiness. Philly gets a cornerstone D-man to replace Pronger ultimately and we hopefully get our 30+ goal scorer for the next decade + a guy who can add some much needed sandpaper to a paper-mache line-up. Would be especially important if Slater doesn’t ever regain his previous form. Then again, perhaps the knock in the head will make him into a 15-goal scorer! ;)

glovesave29

March 16th, 2011
5:18 pm

It’ll have to be trades this summer as the UFA crop is really thin. Beyond Erik Cole and Ville Lieno, there’s not much out there I’d want. I’d consider giving up draft picks before trading Bogey. Supposed to be a thin draft this year. Zachs’ been looking better. I wanna see how he buckles down next season after this disappointing campaign before I give up on him.

Was looking at the UFA list and forgot that Brashear was on our payroll. I despise the guy, but think his toughness might have served this team well.