Crushing loss for Thrashers follows disallowed Kane goal

Was it a good goal…or was it not?

That’s sure to be the topic of debate today after the Thrashers fell to the New Jersey Devils Tuesday night. Trailing 3-2 in the dying seconds of the third period, Evander Kane got his stick on the puck as it was fired toward Martin Brodeur’s net and deflected it in for the game-tying score.

However, the ref waived off the goal claiming the puck was played with a high stick. Kane, while sitting on the bench waiting for the review call from Toronto, seemed to believe the call on the ice was …ahem…shall we say, “male bovine excrement”.

Later he would simply say, “I definitely disagree with the call.”

Ilya Kovalchuk then potted an empty netter, the Devils won 4-2 and for the first time this season have a points winning percentage above .500. The team that once was 10-29-2 and sitting in last place at New Years has gone 23-2-3 and has pulled even with the Thrashers in the standings with 70 points and has a game in hand.

Jacob Josefson celbrates what turned out to be the game-winning goal in front of the Thrashers bench. Later in the game it seemed as though Evander Kane had tied it, but the refs saw it differently (AP Photo/Julio Cortez)

Jacob Josefson celbrates what turned out to be the game-winning goal in front of the Thrashers bench. Later in the game it seemed as though Evander Kane had tied it, but the refs saw it differently (AP Photo/Julio Cortez)

Heading in the opposite direction during the Devils’ second half surge, Atlanta is now 7-14-6 in the last 27 games dating back to early January.

As for the “no goal” call…I’ve seen the replay from all angles, just as I’m sure you all have by now. I’ve even removed my blue-tinted glasses in an attempt to view it from an objective and unbiased viewpoint. But I just have to tell you to me it looked like a good goal, the puck making contact with the stick while it was on a downward swing and below the height of the crossbar.

Unfortunately, I wasn’t sitting in the official replay official’s seat and was therefore unable to reverse the call.

Making this even that much more frustrating for Thrashers fans is remembering the “goal” that was allowed for the Coyotes out in Phoenix last month that led to a 4-3 Atlanta loss.

…shrugs…

However, while you are debating the ruling…a call that very well may have cost the Thrashers at least a shot at contesting for the postseason down the stretch…there is one thing I don’t want you to lose sight of. Atlanta found themselves in a desperate struggle to try and tie the score at the end of the game because they once again failed to properly handle a two-goal lead earlier in the contest. It’s something that they’ve had issues with the last four times they’ve been blessed with such an advantage.

Just as they did in Carolina last week, and against the Panthers on March 5, and in Edmonton on February 19, the Thrashers saw the opposition come back to tie the game after going up by two. This time, just as was the case against the Oilers, they failed to come away with any points…and the results were just as crushing.

What do you think of the "no goal" call that negated Kane's score?

  • Good call by the ref. The puck was played by a high stick (21%, 35 Votes)
  • It was a load of male bovine excrement (79%, 130 Votes)

Total Voters: 165

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Tim Stapleton and Chris Thorburn staked the team to a late first period lead. Stapleton converted by tipping in a very nice spinning backhand pass from Kane off the left boards at the 15:24. Thorburn then powered his way around the Devils defense 65 seconds later for his 8th of the season.

For Stapleton it was his third goal in the last eight games…his first coming just after the Thrashers had waived him. In contrast, the snake-bit Bryan Little has tickled the twine only once in the last 22 games dating back to the middle of January.

But as stated prior, the Thrashers were unable to handle their success. They couldn’t even make it out of the period with their two-goal advantage as Travis Zajac cut the lead in half at 18:52. Patrik Elias tied the game just over five minutes into the second then Jacob Josefson put the Devils ahead for good 3-2 just 4:14 into the third.

Also, as has been the case in so many games this year, the Thrashers seemed completely unable to deal with whatever adjustments were made by the opposition coming out of the first and second intermission. In the middle frame alone they were out-shot 9-2 by New Jersey after they came out of the break flying.

I’m guessing Clint Malarchuk did not deliver a second period motivational talk during the second period this night.

So while you debate whether or not Kane was robbed on that tip-in goal late in the game, remember they were only in that position because they failed once again to hold off a team after taking a two-goal lead. That, and giving up an untimely goals late in the first period and coming out flat early in the other two didn’t helpmatters either.

And this time, it may have cost them more than just a game.

124 comments Add your comment

R. Stroz

March 16th, 2011
7:04 am

Tom

March 16th, 2011
7:15 am

Bovine Excrement – fitting.

We are treated like a rookie whenever anything goes to Toronto. They will not give the Thrashers the call if it is against one of the premier teams.

Colin Campbell sucks.

j nes

March 16th, 2011
7:17 am

teams that can’t win half their games don’t belong in the playoffs anyway–give the 8 spot in the east to Nashville or Anaheim–not a bunch of losers from the Eastern conference

Tom

March 16th, 2011
7:22 am

That being said, the inability to hold a lead is the biggest weakness that the Thrashers have. It may be because we do not have the horses to stand up to other teams when they put on the pressure as others may say, it may be because of the team ownership as someone may say, but I think it comes down to the bench.

The players are following the example of their head coach and going meekly into the battle. Scholars do not win wars.

Do you really think LeMaire was not peeling the paint off the bench when the Devils went down 2? That the players were dreading going into the locker room between periods? Sure they were so they did all they could to get at least 1 goal to end the 1st.

Our locker room probably was hearing a treatise on why the breakout could be improved and the history behind it during the 2nd period.

We need FIRE and passion on the bench.

I doubt it would change much, but do you think the refs knew that all they faced when they waved off that goal at the end of the game was a Ramsay shrug. I would have gone ballistic and made the refs know that my outburst was going to be replayed on every newscast in the country if they screwed my boys.

Big Shooter

March 16th, 2011
7:22 am

It probably should have been a goal, but you have to remember the on-ice call was no goal. For Toronto to overturn the call it has to be 100% conclusive that it was a goal. With it being such a close play, Toronto really has to go with the on-ice call. If you want to be mad at someone be mad at the official on the ice, not video replay.

And if anyone thinks that this call cost the Thrashers a shot at the playoffs you are mistaken. That happened about a month ago.

Big Shooter

March 16th, 2011
7:24 am

And I agree 100% with Tom. To see Ramsay just scratch his chin instead of showing some emotion was just sickening.

Riceowls

March 16th, 2011
7:29 am

Bill I am now convicned that Ramsey has to go. 2 minutes left and the forwards on the ice are Boulton and Schempf? Really?

Rawhide

March 16th, 2011
7:34 am

Big Shooter – You’re correct on both accounts.

Riceowls – Does this mean that plate of crow is going back into the freezer? :grin:

R. Stroz

March 16th, 2011
7:34 am

If I were the coach after that BS call, the ref would be well aware that his ancestry was of the canine variety, he frequently wore out knee pads, and he had a lukewarm temperature IQ.

Maybe?

March 16th, 2011
7:34 am

I think that when they have a close play like that, the guys in the NHL war room determine the outcome by looking at who has the best average number of playoff games won per year in the league.

No goal!

World Be Free

March 16th, 2011
7:35 am

I did not want to post anything negative about the coachs right after the game last night. But it is clear there is something missing in this team in the way over leadership and passion when the chips are down. Saturday night was real nice, but it hasn’t happened much this season, especially in th calendar year of 2011.

R. Stroz

March 16th, 2011
7:36 am

And that would just be the start…

FakeBenThrasher

March 16th, 2011
7:37 am

“Bill I am now convicned that Ramsey has to go. 2 minutes left and the forwards on the ice are Boulton and Schempf? Really?”

Did the Devils score while Boulton and Schremp were on the ice at the end of the game? Next. Go Thrashers.

BluelandBELIEVER

March 16th, 2011
7:38 am

RawHide FTW. Great read. Seriously though folks, that was total BS and that ref knows it. How the hell is that stick high? It was even at best. I seriously feel after something like this, the refs have it out for us…jk. (or am i?) Wes McCauley, im watching you…so is Atlanta.

Refs Sucked last night

March 16th, 2011
7:39 am

In addition to the blown call on Kane’s goal the refs missed two obvious high sticking calls. The first should have put us on the powerplay instead we gave up a goal in that time. Since we have been in this league there has been an obvious bias by the officials against the Thrashers. It really is laughable and sad that the league allows this kind of incompetence to stand. Of course the same could be said about the way suspensions are doles out by one Colin Campbell. He apparently does not have a clue.

Dee Dubya

March 16th, 2011
7:51 am

Ya know, if we had a few breaks and won all the games we lost by one goal, we’d be a playoff team.

oh well

March 16th, 2011
8:01 am

The goal WAS good. Pavelec WAS bad between the pipes. Two of goals were very stoppable. Netminder carrying his team into playoffs WOULD have smothered that third tally too. Used to support Pavelec. Now believe him to be as much a flash in pan as Kari Lehtonen. Team lacks urgency. Team plays like emotionless drones without any fire in gut. That comes from coach. After tying goal taken away I probably would have spent night in New Jersey jail cell after little peace conference with ref who blew call. What do I get from Craig Ramsay? Sigh. I pray one day Atlanta has a true NHL team. Want these guys out of here at close of season. Please. For the record – Had the Thrashers not frittered away dozens of points to NHL bottom feeders the painful disallowed goal would have been inconsequential. That is the plain truth.

glovesave29

March 16th, 2011
8:01 am

To address the comments in the last blog – I totally agree with the NHL for disallowing goals from above the crossbar. The argument that it should be a goal “just as long as it hits the stick” is just too dangerous. You’d have players swinging sticks everywhere on rebounds and deflections – right at eye level. There would undoubtedly be some serious injuries, ones that may make Pacioretty’s look like just a little boo boo.

Kanes goal was good. Pure and simple. To be honest, it really does not matter. The Devils outplayed us and deserved to win. This stretch since the calendar changed has doomed the team. I think we still have some nice pieces, and this team still has a decent future – but the fat lady has sung on the 10-11 Atlanta Thrashers.

Chico

March 16th, 2011
8:06 am

I was there, on ice level, and saw the goal at the perfect angle to see the stick. If you rewatch the game, you’ll see something else I saw: Ladd and Kovalchuk watching the replay while the ref called Toronto. Ladd’s reaction showed he clearly knew it was not a goal. But even if it was a bad call, these things happen. At least they reviewed it. The Devils had a goal waved off without review just a couple games ago against Ottawa, and the view from the 2nd row was that he hadn’t hit the puck with a high stick. Atlanta lost because they didn’t hold the lead. Be honest about that and build towards next season.

World Be Free

March 16th, 2011
8:07 am

As for firing Dudley, as some have called for-he has made more positive moves since taking over than were made in the 10 years prior to his arrival. People in the league know him and respect him; the fact that the Thrashers are anywhere close to a plyoff spot with the 2nd lowest payroll shows what he can do with little $$$.

Who believes we would get another legitimate NHL GM in Atlanta if we fired Dudley after 1 season? Let the man do his job and build his team.

TableHockey

March 16th, 2011
8:12 am

The goal looked good to me but the reality is that no goal call won’t change the outcome of this season. Sports Club Stats is giving us a 1.3% chance of making the playoffs and while that is a statistically derived number I think our chances aren’t even that good. As it stands right now we are one point closer to a lottery pick than we are to the 8th spot.

Buzzeng

March 16th, 2011
8:14 am

So… how fitting is it that we basically end the season (at least the great playoff hope) with a loss in a must-win game to a team below us in the standings, with Little missing a goal by millimeters, with 20 minutes of good effort in a 60-minute game, with a 2-0 lead to start the game, and with blown calls from the refs going against the Thrashers? (I’m sure there are other “usuals” that I missed, but I didn’t see the game – feel free to add your own)

Seems like the Thrasher M.O. for the entire year.

Stephen

March 16th, 2011
8:16 am

“Bill I am now convicned that Ramsey has to go.” When I begin to think that, I remind myself that ASG has him managing one of the lowest payrolls in the NHL. It comes back to ownership.

oh well

March 16th, 2011
8:16 am

Hi Chico. Build for next season? That is a hoot. This team will be in another location next season. That will pave the way for a REAL NHL team in Atlanta for first time since departure of Flames. I for one will celebrate the expulsion. Nothing but forgettable memories from these so called professionals. Maybe 2014 or later. Atlanta still has pro teams in MLB, NBA and NFL. Pick one of those to spend money on. Just not Hawks. :)

oh well

March 16th, 2011
8:19 am

Low payroll has nothing whatsoever to do with a complete lack of emotion! Guy should at least ACT like he gives a…

oh well

March 16th, 2011
8:25 am

I am sick to death of whiners on here who think spending money is the only way to achieve professional sports success. How many low payroll teams throughout history have made it to the top through hard work and determination? PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES SHOULD NOT ALLOCATE THEIR PERFORMANCE ON FINANCES! I have witnessed many low wage professionals outshine overpaid prima donnas. Happens in present. So spare me the low payroll bull. Although I guess Thrasher fans will cling to any available excuses. So very sad. Failure breeds excuses. Players blameless. Sigh. :(

Riceowls

March 16th, 2011
8:26 am

FBT: The Thrashers didn’t need to STOP the Dvils at that point, they needed to score. And Boulton (hat trick not withstanding) and Schremp are not this team’s scorers. Next yourself.

Not Blind

March 16th, 2011
8:35 am

If this franchise would go away I could start to enjoy my hockey a lot more. But being one of the last people in the metro area with ATLANTA on their birth certificate I have to try and support my home team even if they suck and don’t deserve any fan support due to lack of passion, pride, grit, team spirit, leadership, determination, etc etc etc.

Rawhide

March 16th, 2011
8:37 am

FakeBenThrasher – As Riceowls points out, the Thrashers were not trying to keep the Devils from scoring as they were needing to score one themselves to tie the game.

Chico – Always good to have a perspective from someone at the game. Thanks. As you and I both agree on…whether it was/wasn’t a good goal, the Thrashers failed to hold a 2-goal lead in a game they simply HAD to have.

moriler

March 16th, 2011
8:50 am

So tired of the trap, too — so many interference calls let slide these days.

Also, anyone else think “oh well” is a particular someone posting through a proxy? Sure looks like it to me…

Dee Dubya

March 16th, 2011
8:50 am

I like hanging out with Gramps. He doesn’t argue with me. He merely rubs his chin.

World Be Free

March 16th, 2011
8:52 am

oh well-don’t know who you really are but you need to get a grip on reality. Are there issues? You bet, much talked about on this blog long before you showed up. But we have torn apart this team as many times and long enough to know that we have the stay the course, make some changes and look towards the future. Take a look at every team near or at the top of the standings, that’s the course they have taken. “Let’s fire everybody”- that will get you nowhere pretty quick. The draft is in June.

World Be Free

March 16th, 2011
8:53 am

moriler-yeah I think so, be he/she are entitled to make an idiot out of themselves in public. Charlie sheen does it every day.

oh crap

March 16th, 2011
9:01 am

Great, a certain irrational, ranting fool is back.

Joe Tess Fish House

March 16th, 2011
9:21 am

I thing the Thrasers deserve this loose becuz they turnt there backs on Kolvachock. The best player they had and now he is gone. The Thrashers R going no where.

R. Stroz

March 16th, 2011
9:25 am

I smell dec.

HonkyTonkHero

March 16th, 2011
9:26 am

Ready to see the Thrashers coached by someone like Tortorella. We need a guy who commands respect, shows emotion and can blow his lid when necessary. After hearing that coach Anderson II had nothing to say the other night to the boys after a period of suck…I gave up on him. Hell….pull a Boudreau and just cuss at em between periods. Make the players never want to see your rotund bouncing belly and fat red face.

Its not all the coaches fault…we all know that. The only mistake I think Duds made was hiring Ramsay and thats a 20/20 hindsight thing. Seemed like a good choice at the time. We have had two soft spoken coaches and we can all see how well that plays out. That may work well when you have a great team but we dont. We have a low budget young team that needs to be hearded and branded. In short….we need a cowboy coach. Nuf said for today.

BluelandBELIEVER

March 16th, 2011
9:26 am

^^^Fish House- Learn to spell

SomaAtl95

March 16th, 2011
9:31 am

JTFH – Atlanta turned their back on Kovy? What form of revisionist history are you studying? As I told people last night Atlanta needs to learn to hold a lead because most nights its the Thrashers vs the Opposition, Refs and War room all at once. All we needed at the end of last nights game was another “Phantom” Cross Check penalty on Buff a la the Phoenix game. I for one hope that the Devils and their massive bandwagon of fans who showed up in the second half of the season do the same thing that we will be after the first week of April… watching other teams compete for the cup.

Fan from Carolina

March 16th, 2011
9:38 am

I guess the ‘P’ word is off the table again. Well played game though against the ‘current best team’ in the league.

Stop Yelling Knights

March 16th, 2011
9:44 am

Hooray! Welcome back Sten…uh I mean welcome oh well.

KLS1

March 16th, 2011
9:48 am

The Thrashers have lost every, and I mean every meaningful game since the franchise was started. If someone says its a must win, they will lose.

It just takes the air out of us fans ability to get excited. Its too bad, I was going to go down for one or two more games but with losses like this, I rather just stay home so I can change the channel.

By the way, does anyone know how long Torch signed a contract for? Wouldn’t be surprised to see him leave as soon as the season ends.

LAC

March 16th, 2011
9:56 am

It is VERY VERY Clear that the nhl has “favorite” teams. We are not one of them.
I guess gary bettman is too busy getting a sun tan in Florida to give a DAMN about BAD officiating.

The nhl does NOT want Atlanta to win or be in the playoffs, because it will cut down the number of people who will watch on TV. I have always been a fan of bettman, NOT ANYMORE.

The officials who called this game, should be suspended ASAP ! But we all know they will get a Thank-You call from old Lou and bettman will chime in most likely too, saying something, like GREAT game guys, we need to keep Atlanta out of the playoffs.

bettman you should be ASHAME of your officials and I agree colin campbell is a COMPLETE JOKE
and has NO place in professional hockey at any level.

Bottom line, we should have at least one more point and likely two. Thanks bettman for your continued F-up officials for keeping Atlanta out of the playoffs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LAC

March 16th, 2011
10:03 am

WBF… I know dudley has made some decent moves, however since the season started he has done NOTHING to improve the roster. The trade with Boston is a wash at best and the Florida trade was the final straw for me. Shortly after saying he would not trade picks or young players, what did he do ???? Trade for a washed up 34 year old UFA who will not be here next season and has done not one damn thing since he came here. Bergfors has scored three goals and has four assist’s since departing Atlanta.

Plus the fact our 2009 number one pick has what, 3 goals ALL SEASON ? To think we passed on Cam Fowler, who is playing GREAT for the Ducks, and our guy is a ECHL’er at the very best.
Eager for a 5th round pick ???? That stunk too…

dudley knows the nhl better than waddell ever could, but he knows nothing about talent and what is needed to WIN here in Atlanta, pay off his 4 year contract and get a REAL GM, who knows how to build a WINNER !

oh well

March 16th, 2011
10:05 am

Guess it is time to focus on Braves. Thrasher season now officially over. Unofficially officially over many weeks ago. NFL? Wish Falcon players were forced to work minimum wage jobs for a few months. Might appreciate those millions for a few weeks of work. Oh well. Cheerio. :)

World Be Free

March 16th, 2011
10:05 am

LAC-I think this crop of officials is thw worst I have ever seen, and we will be burdened with them for many years. Personally, I prefer the 1 ref system, allowing linseman to call certain penalties they see outside of the single ref’s eyes. This team of 4 officials makes it too easy to spread the blame, not allowing premium refs to control a game the way the last generation did. Besides, there’s not enough space in the ice anyhow, adding 4 bodies just makes it easier for the officials to get in the way. I never thought I would ever WANT Wally Harris back as a ref, but at least you knew what you were getting with Wally. These nameless refs (for the most part) have random styles.

These rules need reworking too AND outlaw the neutral zone trap, the same way the NBA outlawed the zone defenses years ago.

East Point Bob

March 16th, 2011
10:08 am

Agree with the others, Ramsey has to got to go at the end of the season, he is not an NHL caliber coach,plain and simple. But will he ?

LAC

March 16th, 2011
10:15 am

WBF, You are correct. Remember Kerry Fraiser, he was always the best in my book. I don’t think I ever saw him blow a call, not once. Several others too, but I agree these new young guys seem to be a collection of , Not ready for NHL refs. They all appear to lack proper training, many are out of position a lot during games and they make some the worst calls I have ever seen, like last night.

Watched the Vancouver/San Jose game last week. A vancouver forward and San Jose defenseman went into the corner. The SJ Dman, lifted the stick of the Vancouver forward, causing the Vancouver guy t hit himself in the head with his OWN stick, replays showed it clearly. Who got sent to the box, the San Jose defenseman who made a great play and did NOTHING wrong. How can you get a call against you when the other guys stick hits his own head ????

Like Kanes OT call last week, where the NJ player STEPPED on his stick ?

These officials have to be under orders to make calls against Atlanta in an effort by The nhl to keep us out of the playoffs, plain & simple. colin campbell, The worst joke I have ever seen, but he will never get fired as long as pal gary is in control !

Stop Yelling Knights

March 16th, 2011
10:26 am

I think Ramsey was here to coach these guys up as this was expected to be a rebuilding year. He’ll probably step down after this year with ‘health issues’, maybe one more year tops then Torch will take over.
What’s the deal with the new owners? We still playing wait and see?

oh well

March 16th, 2011
10:27 am

Was that Ilya Kovalchuck in grassy knoll folks? Conspiracy abounds. Maybe one of Bettman’s zebra boys was stationed in Dal Tex Building. Hmm. :)