Loss to Senators just more of the same for Thrashers

After last night’s most recent setback for the Thrashers, there were a lot of familiar lines coming from the losing locker room. It’s understandable I suppose…there’s really only so many ways you can describe yet another loss that materialized in much the same way a number of game have previously.

To illustrate this, let’s play a little game this morning, shall we? We’ll call this “The Now or Then Quote Game”. Basically, I’ll give to a few quotes that were attributed to players or the head coach following a loss. All you have to do is guess which one was said after last night’s 3-1 loss to Ottawa or after a previous defeat.

Oh, and no cheating, gang. No flipping back through previous game reports to match the quote with the game. Try to see if you can do this on your own.

OK…here’s the first group of quotes to play with:

1. “We all feel frustrated…we talk so much about shooting the puck at the goalie’s feet, and then we shoot it into his mid-section”

2. “It’s frustrating. We’re losing these games and we’re losing ground in the standings.”

3. It’s frustrating. We feel we are playing OK. But we are not getting the job done”

Losing can be “frustrating”, and that’s been a very common word used in the Thrashers locker room recently. One of those statement came from coach Craig Ramsay flowing the 3-1 loss to Montreal earlier in the week while the other two were offered up by Chris Mason…one last night and the other last Friday to sum up his thoughts about losing to Florida in a shootout.

As the Ottawa Senators celebrate one of their goals, Thrashers defenseman Zach Bogosian seemingly looks to the heavens trying to figure out a way to describe this latest defeat (AP Photo/John Amis)

As the Ottawa Senators celebrate one of their goals, Thrashers defenseman Zach Bogosian seemingly looks to the heavens trying to figure out a way to describe this latest defeat (AP Photo/John Amis)

Here’s another set of quotes for you to choose whether it came last night or some time ago:

1. “I thought we played extremely well and unfortunately…”.

2. “We’ve been doing a lot of good things lately”.

3. “We played good. We should have won”

4. “I think we are playing extremely well…but you still have to score”

Yeah…I know. This is a pretty tough game to play, isn’t it? One of those quotes came last night, one was offered up following the 5-3 loss in Edmonton, another came following the 4-2 loss to the Flames and one from the Montreal game on Tuesday.

But really…you could mix and match up any of them and attributed them to any one of several games since the All Star Game.

Read for round three? OK then, here is another crop of quotes following Thrashers losses recently:

1. “I think perhaps we need to take more pucks to the net with our big bodies”.

2. “We didn’t go to the net hard so he probably saw every possible shot”.

3. “We’re putting the puck on net, and sooner or later it’s bound to go in”.

Are ya dizzy yet?

One of the above quotes came from Nik Antropov last night, one from Ramsay after the loss to the Habs and the other came after the defeat in the desert to the Coyotes.

For five straight games now the Thrashers have put 40 or more shots on the opponents net. Unfortunately all they have accomplished by doing it has been to greatly enhance that goalie’s saves percentage numbers. They are 1-3-1 in those five games and have found the net just 7 times while taking 214 shots.

Heck, Fredrik Modin was able to pot 7 on just 51 SOG while a member of this team.

And now, one last group of random quotes for you to ponder. Again, unless you’ve memorized all of Chris Vivlamore’s post-game reports, I think you’ll have tough time figuring out which one came from what game.

1. “We found a way to play another great game… We did what we wanted to do. We were very aggressive. We showed some real speed up the ice. Then, pucks didn’t go in again”

2. “When you’re going through these stretches, the key issue probably is to try to score a couple early and get everybody on a roll, get everybody feeling good about what’s going on, not saying, ‘Oh my God, here we go again’”.

3. “It just seems like one little breakdown and it ends up in the back of our net”.

4. “Seems like it’s the same story after every game. There’s an intangible that’s missing, and we need to find out what that may be. We keep losing games and losing points”.

Two of those quotes came from coach Ramsay, one from last night the other after the loss to the Panthers last week. One came from the mouth of defenseman Zach Bogosian as he sat in his locker following the Senators game.

The fourth quote is credited to now-former Thrasher Rich Peverley while out in Phoenix. I would dare to speculate he doesn’t need to worry about his current team needing to find that certain “missing intangible” component.

OK, so I gave that one away.

Playoffs? P-Playoffs? Are you kidding me… playoffs?

Continuing with our Fun and Games Friday theme…I leave you with this last simple question to ponder. Do you believe that the Thrashers postseason hopes evaporated in the wake of an embarrassing loss to a team sitting at the bottom of the conference standings?

I would argue that the answer is, “Yes…yes they most certainly did”.

However, I would contest that it wasn’t the most recent debacle that sealed their fate, but rather it was a couple weeks ago when they blew a 3-1 third period lead in losing to the Oilers. And all that we’ve witness since then is simply the residue that came from that heaping, steaming pile of FAIL that was dropped on the ice in Edmonton.

After that demoralizing defeat, I remember thinking to myself that was the type of loss a team just does not recover from. At least, that is, not one that the head coach has labeled as “fragile”…and especially not a team in which said coach has displayed no ability to properly address the problems plaguing the team.

What was once “A bounce here or a bounce there…”, for John Anderson has now been replaced with Ramsay’s “We played hard and did good things, but…”. Because of that, as this season winds to a close I would suspect we should prepare ourselves for more quotes from he and his locker room that read much like those found above.

“We didn’t go to the net hard so he probably saw every possible shot”…

“It’s frustrating. We’re losing these games and we’re losing ground in the standings”…

“I think we are playing extremely well…but you still have to score”…

“It was very somber at the moment. That was a game we felt we should have won”…

“It just seems like one little breakdown and it ends up in the back of our net”…

“We didn’t go to the net hard so he probably saw every possible shot”…

Etc, etc., etc…etc…

147 comments Add your comment

Tom

March 4th, 2011
3:37 pm

I would love to give sympathy to the players, but it is impossible.

They have shown that it is not a matter of skill, it is a matter of desire.

As fans we can not affect this. We can only watch lackluster efforts.

The coaches and the players can impact effort. Not the Fans.

Keep The Thrashers

March 4th, 2011
3:45 pm

Another sad finish for frustrated Thrashers fans. Hopefully, we can get new owners and move on to a new chapter in Atlanta NHL history. Eight years with the Flames – they won two playoff games. Thrashers are even worse – made the play-off only once – ZERO play-off game wins. Why does the national press pick on Atlanta hockey fans? Even die-hards are close to dying with the past decade of poor performance. New owners – PLEASE SEND HELP! We love hockey, but we can’t take it anymore.

DWTOO

March 4th, 2011
3:51 pm

Soma – Heard McConnell too – LMAO! Never a truer statment made. Fortunately heading on vacation for two weeks and won’t have to be subjected to this abuse. Think the coaching staff has lost control. While not the most talented team in the league we should be plating better. Time for a change – my opinion is now different from last week’s blog.

R. Stroz

March 4th, 2011
4:05 pm

At least the marketing group is aware that it’s time to prepare for golf.

http://philipsarena.com/Content/view.aspx?CID=485da0c8-9a78-4702-a38e-af90474d7fbc

Alan R.

March 4th, 2011
4:07 pm

Stroz – Is that a Par 3?

LAC

March 4th, 2011
4:08 pm

Simply a very sad state of affairs, Will there be a next season at this point ?

LAC

March 4th, 2011
4:08 pm

AlanR.. Putt-Putt would most likely ?

kj

March 4th, 2011
4:13 pm

These Thrashers couldn’t score at a women’s prison with a pocketful of pardons.

SomaAtl95

March 4th, 2011
4:15 pm

They’re making Beavis and Butt-head look like a couple of stone cold pimps.

R. Stroz

March 4th, 2011
4:26 pm

The Thrashers new pitch for UFA’s:

Sign with Atlanta, the weather is great in April and we will supply the golf balls, if you don’t have a pair.

Smoothie

March 4th, 2011
4:29 pm

Stroz – thanks but I’ll pass. I want ProV1s at this point. Although I’m surprised they didn’t cheap out on the golf balls and go with TopFlites or Pinnacles. Personally, I think they should have gone with Pink Lady balls since most of our guys “need a pair”. Hardy har har.

Steve Miller

March 4th, 2011
4:30 pm

“Your Thrash ain’t nothin’ but trash”.

Player to be named later

March 4th, 2011
4:37 pm

It is obvious that the most important event in the Thrashers’ future is the same of the team to someone who cares about hockey. Kincade tweeted about the poor attendence last night, which only goes to prove how much he is out of touch with reality. 11 seasons of poor hockey would turn off fans in ANY city, including Toronto. Saying Atlanta fans are poor because they don’t show is not try, it just means they are smart.

Sage of Bluesland

March 4th, 2011
4:37 pm

“What did Mark Stuart say when he came off his 4-day drinking binge?…I signed a three-year contract with WHO…?”

Now THAT was funny!

Bree Olson

March 4th, 2011
4:38 pm

The Thrashers couldn’t score at the AVN Expo in Las Vegas :)

HonkyTonkHero

March 4th, 2011
4:41 pm

I used to do everything imagineable to get to a game or watch it on TV. I would put my kids in the tub and throw the laptop up on the sink and glance at the game. I would turn Kamal on the radio and listen while I tended to house stuff. I would pirate the jumbotron feed from some guy’s internet feed in Switzerland. Not anymore. Now I just look at the score at the end of the evening…knowing damn well what it will look like. I am hard pressed to even dedicate the time to watch the Condensed Game on NHL gamecenter.

For crying out loud I choose to watch “The Parking Lot Movie” last night instead of watching the game! And I am glad I did…the movie was a trip! These parking lot attendants had more dedication to their low paying jobs than these millionaires on ice do.

This year my frustration is worse because I had higher expectations from Dudley, Ramsay and the crew they brought in. If I go to any more games this season its gonna be just to see the players on the other team. As it is…if I get to the arena early I always find myself hanging out on the visitors side of the warmup. My team simply does not intrigue me enough. They have let themselves and us down.

Cheers to 2011-2012 and new owners…hopefully

Hugh Hefner

March 4th, 2011
4:43 pm

The Thrashers couldn’t score at my house!

Jack Kevorkian

March 4th, 2011
4:49 pm

I’m available……..

Zombie Steve

March 4th, 2011
4:51 pm

Rawhide – I would contend that our playoffs hopes were done shortly after Buff was resigned; when we got ASG’d.

Mr. Heat Miser

March 4th, 2011
4:56 pm

Maybe Rammer will lace ‘em up and score a goal or two……

Red Light

March 4th, 2011
5:27 pm

Here is what good teams do…they begin to play their best hockey when it matters!

No. 2 in the East Boston
Have won seven straight games since being swept by Detroit, are 17-6 since Jan. 10 and have not given away a loser point in their last 15 against Eastern Conference foes.

No. 3 in the West San Jose
They have won 8 straight and are 17-2-1 in their last 20 games.

No. 4 in the West Chicago
They have won 6 straight games and are 8-1-2 in their last 11 games.

No. 5 in the West Los Angeles
They are 7-2-1 in their last 10 games, and went 6-1-3 in a recent 10-game road trip.

SomaAtl95

March 4th, 2011
5:31 pm

Down the stretch we in Atlanta are used to watching our boys do their best Linda Lovelace imitation. McConnell said a pair was needed last night because the Thrashers had choked pretty hard.
Pun intended.

Iron League 13

March 4th, 2011
5:37 pm

Busy day, new gig and off to dinner I go with the family. Anyways, I’m glad you (Rawhide) posted all those quotes, I just started noticing how it was always the same BS in 8/10 situations coming from Ramsay. Geez put a fork in it, at least Antro said something about going to the net, which makes me ask…why isn’t he playing like the east-block monolith that he is?

Sam

March 4th, 2011
5:55 pm

Things started to go down when Enstrom went off and due to that loosing streak mental problems are still there and they are just shooting puck to goal without aiming at all nor waiting somebody to be screening.

Donovan McNubb

March 4th, 2011
6:00 pm

Kudos to Rawhide for finding a creative angle at a time when it’s just “same old, same old” after every game.

I agree that our playoff hopes probably evaporated long before last night’s debacle. Right now, the only thing keeping me going is watching the new guys and seeing how they might fit in for next season.

Wheeler is a legit top-6 guy, I think. With him, Kane, Little and a resigned Ladd, that’s a solid four out of six in my opinion. Now if we can only find a No. 1 center and another right winger to play behind Wheeler…

I love Burmistrov but he’s probably a couple years away from being at that level. Antropov is fading, though I’m not a hater like most commenters. Yeah, he’s slow as molasses but he has some of the best hands on the team.

Nate

March 4th, 2011
6:58 pm

The Thrashers couldn’t score in a wh*rehouse.

John in PA

March 4th, 2011
8:09 pm

I’m starting to wonder if we actually have “A good corps of young talent” on this team afterall? I mean, there are certainly some servicable players on this roster, but are any of them really deserving of being called “Core” players? Enstrom…yes. Buff? Hes not an especially effective D-Man. Certainly he can bring it from the point offensively, but does anyone out there really think hes a top line D-Man? I’m not so sure… Little would be a great complimentary piece on a good team, but he’s not a “core” player IMO. Kane….I dont know. I love the guy, but I’d probably have to put him in the same boat with Little, for now at least. Kane could be a great player IF/WHEN he realizes he can also take the puck to the middle of the ice when entering the O-Zone. I mean Damn! Has anyone bothered to tell the kid that the entire league now knows he will only try to pass their Dmen by going down the boards at the blueline?!?!?! The day he starts to try going towards the slot, and get away from the boards is the day he might make the jump to the next level…until then, hes just a good player on a bad team…
Also…this team does way too much stick-checking, not enough bodies on bodies checking. The opposition never seems to get pressure from us other than our guys waving their sticks wildly at the puck when its on the other guys stick…

LAC

March 4th, 2011
9:15 pm

Go Bree Go !!!! At least Charlie is scoring these days !!!

Sage of Bluesland

March 4th, 2011
9:26 pm

I think John in PA brings up an interesting point. I also hear about how ‘great’ this young core is that we have. I’m not buying.

Heatley and Kovalchuk as rookies in 2001-2002 is what having good young players to build around looks like. They consistently ‘delivered’, even as green-as-grass rookies. There was something ’special’ about them–and their talent was superior and undeniable.

I don’t see the consistent deliverables with any of the new kids we have. Not even close.

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March 5th, 2011
6:26 am

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See you at Philips – GO THRASHERS!

World Be Free

March 5th, 2011
7:13 am

Here’s another problem with this team-most of the players are signed for next season. They are not playing for contracts like other players in the league. Sure don’t look hungry, do they?

Iron League 13

March 5th, 2011
7:23 am

Sage, I can’t fully disagree with you on the talent of Kovy and HE WHO CAN NOT BE NAMED vs the current Thrashers, I can’t FU-LLY. I think the fact that they actually have outplayed or teams lately CUZ THEY HAVE seems to say two things to me, we have something to build around and we need 2-3 solid additions at forward. Nothing too big needs to be added, I’m saying 2-3 Ladd-ish caliber players. Not too much to ask for either, at least not with new owners.

Anywho, you notice that I said we have pieces to build AROUND and not on. Kovy and HE WHO CAN NOT BE NAMED were building blocks, foundations to be built ON. What we have now is different. Get those pieces I mentioned, send the AHLers and yearlings down to the AHL (as they should be until needed), you know BUILD AROUND THEM. These types of pieces can be moved, scratched, whatever… they are for the time being replaceable, again call them as need be only. I don’t want to talk about building on anyone until the organisation gets the farm system orchestrated to fit it’s needs and DOESN’T rely on young draftees and “prospects” to account for so many spots in the dressing room.

Come to think about it the built on and built around thing is feeble at best, disregard it as poorly constructed nonsensical crap. Still most of what I said is sensical, file this self-debunking bit under sensical too. Odd, I know. I don’t wanna hear about tin foil hats and sneeking into cpu labs at the institution. Spare me, I’ve heard it.

Iron League 13

March 5th, 2011
7:27 am

What I forgot to say about the team as is, is that yes they can play to an extent. Out shooting opponents in the last 5 games or so is very telling. THEY SIMPLY CAN NOT FINISH ENOUGH. That’s why I say get 2-3 more 20-25 goal scorers (ie, Ladd-ish forwards) and watch this team perform VASTLY BETTER in the standings.

Frosty the snowman

March 5th, 2011
7:42 am

I agree this team is a bunch of grinders, a few complimentary pieces. I dont see a solid core myself and am always wondering about this solid core that keeps bieng mentioned.This team needs a SERIOUS infusion of TALENT to be competitive.

jimbo

March 5th, 2011
8:12 am

Good article Rawhide. Gallows Humor is in full swing. I do think that we’ve got a lot more young talent than we’ve ever had but they are “leaderless”. When the Captain and Asst. Captain had to go th the Hockey Whisperer and tell him to crack down, that signalled that he was in fact, TERMINALLY CLUELESS. If his after game press conferences have been filled, the Lite Beer folks have enough material for several years. Time to move the ole Hockey Whisperer to an assisted living facility.

sisu

March 5th, 2011
9:26 am

The playoff run ended a long time ago, I think it was a home loss to Philly. At that point things were still good. While it is fine that you guys say fire the coach, riddle me this? Who do you think should be the next coach?

Couple of items to consider: Antropod is not recovered from surgery or is having his typical year, your choice. Buff stopped taking 102 mph slap shots and replaced them with wristers. One goalie will not carry the season when he can play lights out and then all of the sudden allows 2 goals or more in under a minute.

Frank G

March 5th, 2011
9:56 am

” Wars are not won by evacuation!” The enemy is the other cities ready to pounce and take our team! I understand the frustration the past several years..BUT…A top 4 pick in the draft(some great hockey players top 4), seasoning of our kids (which realistically they ONLY are), Torchetti taking the helm, new owners bankrolling 1-2-3 top 3-6 guys,2011/12 all of a sudden looks promising! “When you feel like giving up, remember why you held on for so long in the first place!” Long Live Blueland!!!

Bob

March 5th, 2011
9:58 am

The thrashers can’t even score at air hockey.

Adam

March 5th, 2011
10:25 am

If Rammer and Torch swapped positions is it possible that he’d still have any credibility with the players? Understandably he’d have to be behind the move 100% and let Torch do his thing but I’d hate to see him go. I just believe he’s a carrier assistant type guy and not head coach material. I really think Rammer has a lot to offer and I’d like to see him involved as a coach just not the bench boss. With all of the young players on this team he could really help with their development.

Hockey Puck

March 5th, 2011
10:34 am

Thrashers couldn’t score at a Charlie Sheen Party!

Adam

March 5th, 2011
10:47 am

Sisu – I’ve said this about Antro several times last fall. He came back at least 2 months early, if not 3. He should have been out through camp and not tried to get into game shape until November. The only reason he started the season is because of how his salary effects the team’s cap floor position. AS couldn’t afford to still pay him and replace his cap hit. I truly hope this doesn’t affect him long term and shorten his career, he deserves better than that. He signed here at 29 and is 31 now in his 11th season. If healthy I think he’s capable of 3-4 more 30-60 point years of positive +/- play.

Mr. Heat Miser

March 5th, 2011
10:48 am

For those of you going to the Thrashers game tomight, your ticket will get you into the AAA Hockey USA vs. Canada game at 1:00 at Philips.

ZAvalanche

March 5th, 2011
11:15 am

Congrats on the new gig Iron! I think this team is fine shooting from the outside, where they are lacking is with bodies in front to pick up the garbage and screen. I also believe a healthy Thrashy with one high quality play maker, one power forward and a bit more size on D would be a really good team. Don’t forget, they played well earlier. They are just a bit too young to brush off a few crushing losses and don’t the fortitude to just say “you win some and you lose some” and then move on.

LOL @ Hockey Puck! Too bad Sheen went off the deep end, I kind of liked that show…..

World Be Free

March 5th, 2011
11:17 am

Kovalchuk is on fire, the benefits of the Kovy trade to Atlanta are diminishing ever. Lou looks pretty smart right now, both in the trade and the long term contrtact.

Ramsay’s coaching style is much like his personality. He’s always been a talker not a yeller, he’s make a great next door neighbor. I am not sure how that translates to being an NHL coach. What is odd is the fact that Rammr played for both Scotty Bowman and Punch Imlach. Neither Hall of Fame coach can be labeled player’s coaches, but they both won multiple Stanley Cups with veteran players. Their players did not like them, but they played for them. So it makes you wonder why he has not used some of their proven tactics to get his players going. Even John Anderson used the press box as a learning tool, Ramsay has not done this yet to any degree.

Players’ coaches work in baseball, a long season with many ups and downs. But football and hockey need coahes that aren’t afraid to use the wip every once in a while. Ramsay will not and it may be his undoing.

World Be Free

March 5th, 2011
11:27 am

Guess I should proof read beffore I post…..

Dwayne

March 5th, 2011
12:00 pm

Lou Lam is the reason for Kovy’s resurgence, is Lou gonna coach him for the remainder of the contract????

northern exposure

March 5th, 2011
12:24 pm

Ramsey has got to go. We have squirt teams with better break outs than this team. 2 – 4 passes D to D then unload to oppostion in nuetral zone, go for line change, start over. What are the center ice men for? Lets go north all the time not 3 steps east and west then one south and panick. Buff is talented but only in the right places. Too many mistakes on defense, no confidence handling puck, makes Toby get all loose pucks, nerver hits anyone in defensive zone, Another Ramsey bad decision. Needs to play forward where he can utilize his strength and not kill the team if he loses the puck. Did Ramsey even see last years playoffs and hear that Buff was about 3 or 4 in consideration for MVP? What was his role? Why try reinvent the wheel?

Brendan

March 5th, 2011
12:28 pm

Not that it matters any, but I officially called the ‘time of death’ of the playoff berth after the Oilers game. Nice to see so many finally agreeing with me on that score.

Rawhide, I couldn’t matchup any of the quotes correctly. Are you publishing an answer guide, for those playing at home?

Brendan

March 5th, 2011
12:38 pm

Red Light, you’re far better at this than I am, and I’m too lazy today to look it up, but during this stretch of 30 games, isn’t it ESSENTIALLY TRUE that we’ve lost to every bottom feeder team in the league? Florida, Toronto, Edmonton, NYI, Blues, etc. Did we even play Minnesota? It’d be an interesting mini-study to take the bottom 10 to 12 teams, at present, then look to see what Atlanta’s record is against those very teams. It might prove enligthening. My suspicion? I think we missed the playoffs because we couldn’t bank points against the bottom feeder teams. I don’t care what our record is with Philly, Boston, Detroit, Montreal, Pittsburgh, and San Jose. We should lose to most of those teams, with frequency. And that’s understandable.

What’s our record with Buffalo, Toronto, Islanders, and Devils, before Devils caught fire, etc. That’s where the season went. And, my aplogies to Rawhide, but he was correct in stating that … the lack of results falls on the Coach, Craig Ramsay. I see that, now. I guess I didn’t want to hold him accountable for the league minimum budget and roster he was given. I know it’s easier to bank points in October, November and December … than it is in February, March and April, but this team isn’t so vasty different in its makeup then, compared to know. Percentage-wise, this club has taken on so much water than we’re now splitting up a flounder.

Brendan

March 5th, 2011
12:40 pm

Trixie, I’m back in the filters again, with an apology to Rawhide.