Three and a half years ago, early into the 2007-08 season, the Atlanta Thrashers traveled home from Philadelphia after losing to the Flyers 4-0. The loss was the sixth straight to start off the new campaign and it was also the second time they had been held without a goal that fall.
But before they dropped the puck on game number seven two nights later when the New York Rangers were in town, the organization had made one major change…firing head coach Bob Hartley.
The move came the very next morning after that loss in Philly and to little surprise to many. “He simply had lost the locker room”, many insisted, while some said he was simply a pre-lockout coach trapped in a post-lockout world. Others, myself included, just simply disagreed with the move.
Whatever the case, coach Bob became the second Thrashers coach to be shown the door, following Curt Fraser four years before.
In the wake of Hartley’s dismissal, I opined here the final judgment of whether or not the move was the right call would ultimately be decided by who replaced him and how the team finished. As we all know, there was not real “replacement” for the rest of the 76 games that season, instead Don Waddell simply added “head coach” to his “general manager” title. The team then finished 34-40-8 and in 14th place in the Eastern Conference.
I’ll let you draw your own conclusions as to whether firing him was the right call, but Hartley was held accountable for the 0-6 start to the season following first round playoff sweep six months prior.
Mr. Anderson, meet Mr. Hartley…Mr. Hartley, Mr. Anderson
Fast-forwarding to last spring… newly named general manager Rick Dudley announced that he had let go John Anderson and his entire coaching staff after just two seasons. After many successful years with the Thrashers AHL affiliate in Chicago, Anderson led Atlanta to records of just 35-41-6 and 35-34-13.
One of the main reasons for that firing, Dudley said, was because the organization felt they had assembled a team capable of contending for a playoff spot but the job simply did not get done. Thus, Anderson was held accountable and he was shown the same door Hartley was two and a half year prior.
Mr. Ramsay, meet Mr. Hartley…Mr. Hartley, Mr. Ramsay
And now, as much as I hate to say it, a time for accountability has come once again in Thrasherville. The exit door reserved for Thrashers head coaches should once again be unlocked and Craig Ramsay should be asked to follow behind Anderson, Hartley and Fraser.
I don’t come to this conclusion easily, to be sure. Like so many others last summer I was thrilled to learn that Dudley had tapped the long-time assistant for his first head-coaching gig. He’s a solid hockey man with a very good head on his shoulders and it seemed as though Dudley has pulled off a minor coup in not only bringing him in, but also John Torchetti from the Stanley Cup champion Chicago Blackhawks.
I was fortunate enough to interview Ramsay last summer and was very impressed with his belief that his main job here was how to teach these players how to be smart out on the ice. But the teacher doesn’t seem to be getting through to his pupils. And given how they’ve lost so many times in the same fashion lately…completely falling apart in the latter stages of the game…it’s apparent he doesn’t have the ability to properly handle the class.
That sound of rushing water wasn’t Niagara Falls
After last night’s 4-1 loss in Buffalo, which followed a disastrous 5-3 loss to Edmonton last Saturday, Ramsay’s Thrashers have played to a record of 6-15-5 since December 20. In calendar year 2011, they have won exactly three times in regulation and for the month of February they are an abysmal 1-7-1.
Coaches get fired if those types of records come at the beginning of a season.
Should Craig Ramsay be fired at this time?
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These Thrashers have now lost four consecutive without even the benefit of an overtime consolation point. In each of those defeats they have lead or been tied in the second half of the game or later. The last time they lost four games in a row was just prior to the 3-2 win over the New York Rangers two Friday’s ago. The point gained via a 4-3 OT loss in Carolina was the only one earned during that particular stretch of losses.
The offense has been…well…offensive lately, scoring but nine goals during the four game slide. If not for Andrew Ladd it would be only four. As for the defense, well they should be building statues of them to place outside of Philips Arena. I can think of no better tribute to illustrate just how they perform in front of Pavelec’s net.
Last night’s loss followed the same pattern as so many that preceded it. The Thrashers again found themselves in a close game late in the second period, tied 1-1 thanks to Andrew Ladd’s power play goal, but a Sabres goal with just 68 second left before the second intermission was followed by another just 30 ticks of the clock later. It was the sixth time this season that they’ve allowed two goals in 39 seconds or less.
Just a buck fifty-four after the break it was 4-1 and the great whooooosh-ing sound you heard coming from western New York was not emanating from Niagara Falls. Rather it was the sound of yet another effort flushed down the drain and quite possibly their playoff hopes as well.
As was the case in Dallas last month, where a 1-1 game in the second became a 6-1 loss…and the last time Toronto was in town and a one-goal game in the second became a 9-3 route…and the 2-2 game against the Flyers entering the third period which tuned into a 5-2 loss…and a 2-2 game in Pittsburgh halfway through the second that soon became a 6-3 defeat…and of course that 3-1 lead early in the third last Saturday that dissolved into an embarrassing 5-3 loss to the worst team in the league…once again the Thrashers played just good enough to last until their all-too-usual collapse.
You could almost smell it coming after Paul Gaustad put Buffalo up 2-1. We in Thrasherville have become very familiar with that aroma lately.
Time to light the Torch in Atlanta
This team is the very definition of fragile as all it takes is one bad turn to cause them to crumble. It’s been that way for two months now and coach Ramsay has failed to address it properly. He doesn’t have the ability to properly motive this bunch, nor can he make the necessary adjustments in games to counter those made from the opposing bench.
Is the cause for the Thrashers fall in the standings solely his fault? No, absolutely not. These players give up too quick, take too many shifts off and certainly deserve their fair share of scorn as well. Some will point injuries to key players while and insist things would be different had they been healthy. Others will point to what the good coach was given to work with this season and ask why he should bear the brunt for it.
But, as they say, you don’t normally fire players. And here in Thrasherville, general managers don’t get fired either…they just get promoted to team president after a decade or so of futility.
And given the way this season has melted into yet another craptacular fiasco, whether it be deserving or not, Craig Ramsay’s time to take the fall has come. To have him remain and the team continue it’s death spiral from atop the conference standings last December towards Lotteryville possibly this spring would indicate the organization is accepting failure and unwilling to do anything about it.
Not a good sign to give to an already skeptical fanbase, let alone any potential new buyer.
The next time we see Rick Dudley should be when he thanks Rammer for his service, wishes him nothing but the best, reminds us all that it wasn’t all his fault…then introduces the next head coach for the Atlanta Thrashers, John Torchetti.
We can then only hope that the head coach’s exit door can at least stop swinging before we begin to think he needs to be shown it too.
294 comments Add your comment
Cliff Fletcher
February 25th, 2011
7:38 am
yeah i would like to know how much money lac has spent on the thrashers this season or any other season for that matter. don’t you eugene?
Winniphlegm
February 25th, 2011
7:53 am
Morning Everybody. For Atlanta’s sake, I hope this White Knight does arrive to buy the team. I’ve heard out of Winnipeg this morning that there is a well known hockey commentator by the name of Scott Oake who is widely recognized in Canada and says he has spoken to the highest sources in the NHL that have virtually confirmed that unless new owners step in in the next 2-3 weeks (at least attempting to buy the team) that the Thrashers will be moved to Winnipeg. It’s all over the morning show on CJOB.com this morning. Their sports report is on at 25 after the hour in case someone wants to hear. Good luck guys…I’m rooting for you
glovesave29
February 25th, 2011
8:00 am
Scott Oake = older Nick Kypreos. Just likes to throw bombs
World Be Free
February 25th, 2011
8:16 am
Winniphlegm-Oake isn’t the first member of the Canadian media to get your hopes up. This has been going on since the mid 80’s when the folks in Hamilton were trying to poach the Sabres from Buffalo by building new arena based on hope, nothing more. You keep missing the fact that Bettman and the Board of Governors, who make the decisions on the location of franchises, does not want the team to leave Atlanta. So thanks for the warning, now time for you to head off to Tim Horton’s for breakfest, ay?
Thrashers
February 25th, 2011
8:16 am
We are in 11th dammit!!!! We start our climb to 8th tonight!!!!
TruthHurts
February 25th, 2011
8:28 am
Everyone up in arms, fire the coach, keep the coach, etc. interestingly so many people gushing like schoolgirls earlier in the year and now let’s throw ‘em under the bus. And all the erudite comments about line combinations, how Mason is the “new” Moose, etc. etc. don’t you get it ?? Beyond the fluke of a brief winning run, Thrashers are at best a mediocre team and they are where they should be = struggling, mid-(lower) pack, average skill set. For crying out loud we have Tim Stapleton playing way too may minutes in the NHL, don’t you think ? There is a large gap to the leading teams in the conference and what the Thrashers can offer. It’s just the way it is.
But it is understandable after being beat down, repeatedly, year after year like some willing-to-be abused spouse to come back with the greatest of hope. The only thing I see at this moment to turn any of this season around is to remove Ramsay and have Don go behind the bench. That has always brought forth a positive change and back to winning ways. Come on Don !! Take us to these playoffs !! Yippee !!!!
LAC
February 25th, 2011
8:37 am
Hey “cliff” want to settle it face to face punk ???? Bet you, like other don’t have the guts !
LAC
February 25th, 2011
8:40 am
WoW “eugene” Glad you wasted your $$$, I have lots more $ than $9K to spend and it won’t be until a better product and new owners arrive. Like Sage says, Why support a sinking ship. Have real jerseys, Oh WOW Gee Whiz !!!! I have 8 companies and 128 employees, How about YOU !, as well as cliffy !
jimbo
February 25th, 2011
8:52 am
Sage of Blueland- I disagree with you. If you sense that the talent level is not there, isn’t a logical strategy to tighten up on defense, maybe set up a mid ice type of trap and definitely close down the side boards at the blue line. The Hockey Whisperer, aka Clueless Craig has shown absolutely not ability to adjust strategies or adapt mid game to what the other team was throwing at us. And yet, at the start of the season that is what he promised to do. I played three years of college hockey and our coaches were always looking for ways for us to adjust our play if the other team threw something different at us. Rammer has no apparent ability to do this. And, if Torchetti was to be the “defensive strategist” to blend with Rammer’s offfensive skills, I haven’t see it. Has anyone? Sure we’re a little thin on talent but we’re even thinner on leadership at the top.
winniphlegm
February 25th, 2011
8:54 am
World Be Free – I don’t want the Thrashers to move to Winnipeg. My hopes will only be ‘up’ when the team stays in Atlanta. You may have misunderstood me. All I’m saying is that there is a lot of buzz in Winnipeg this morning…not that it hasn’t happened a million times before. I’m not a fan of Oake either, but he does have his connections.
World Be Free
February 25th, 2011
9:05 am
Winniphlegm-you also have to understand that the biggest negative in this entire process is the Canadian media. They stoke this fire to no end to sell papers and in the end, it’s the good hockey fans that pay the price. Betteman said so last week without saying so. Even the guys on HNIC Hot Stove told the fans of Winnipeg – “don’t start the parade just yet”.
What should happen? People in Canada should start holding the media accountable, don’t say anything until the deal is done. If the Thrashers are going to Winnipeg or wherever, wait till the deal is made then report the news. Franchise movement is a long term comitment with long term effects on the departing and arriving cities. This is not like player movement, such as the constant rumors of Jerome Iginla being traded from Calgary. Jerome is an icon in Calgary, this plays with the hearts of many great hockey fans. The media has to understand their role and the damage they do when they are not totally up front and honest.
Hockey Night in Canada is the guiltiest group of all and theu used to be the best.
ThrasherTim
February 25th, 2011
9:14 am
Et tu, Rawhide?
Have to admit I am surprised at this post.
Matt H.
February 25th, 2011
9:18 am
You’ve got to be kidding me.
Bring in Joel Quenneville and you’ll be calling for his head next season. Or Dan Bylsma. Or Pete Laviolette. If you could put Herb Brooks behind the bench, you’d likely get the same result.
The key to building a good organization is not driving away good people, it’s firing the bad ones. Until this team is sold, it doesn’t matter who you put behind the bench. Firing Ramsay would be cutting off your nose to spite your face.
ThrashDawg
February 25th, 2011
9:31 am
Wow, I hate to see posts like the two above. LAC, you need to be careful my friend, you never know how big any of us are, or how crazy, on this blog. Jeez man chill! It will be ok…. it’s just a game.
Cliff Fletcher
February 25th, 2011
9:42 am
lac-happy friday my friend, hope you are chillin’ cuz you need to
kracker
February 25th, 2011
9:56 am
Did LAC go off crazy again? I don’t know because I see ‘LAC’ and I move on to the next post. Same w/ the SOB.
Joe Friday
February 25th, 2011
10:19 am
Oh for goodness sakes, perspective fellas! It’s only hockey, live, breath, be happy.
Just great to hear the Winnipeg rumor again. It’s certainly a time of turmoil, but again, perspective. The only thing we can do to affect the outcome is to show up to the games. Buy a ticket and be there tonight, Sunday, etc. and show a prospective owner that yes, we will support the club, we just don’t support our prior bad management.
Dick Dickson
February 25th, 2011
10:20 am
I sure do hope the Thras0rz can win the hockey contest tonight! I’m tired of watching them lose.
Not Blind
February 25th, 2011
10:21 am
The game that finally REALLY opened my eyes was the game against the Stars. Right from the warm up the Stars set the tone for the night and the Thrashers just rolled over instead of standing up to them.
Some of you guys must be watching the games with dark glasses on. Sopel was a complete joke. Slow, out of position, rarely taking the body. That mostly describes Oduya. In the Edmonton game how many times was Hall allowed to skate to the net unmolested? It seems like the coaching staff has the players nailed to a spot on the ice but the other teams aren’t playing to the script. I am READY for a coach with some fire in his eyes.
Thank heavens for Center Ice.
Albert Turnell Jr
February 25th, 2011
10:27 am
Not Blind, if molesting Taylor Hall is what you want, then I’m the man for the job.
kracker
February 25th, 2011
10:27 am
New C Viv blog. “New ownership in the works?”
http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-thrashers-blog/2011/02/25/new-ownership-in-the-works/?cxntfid=blogs_atlanta_thrashers_blog&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Pete Forsstrom
February 25th, 2011
10:34 am
Despite the players’ recent lack of performance, if the team is not performing, and has not been profitable for some time — the change must first and foremost be made at the top. DON WADDELL must go. Then we can start worrying about putting this franchise back together.
Zombie Steve
February 25th, 2011
10:48 am
Have your signs ready tonight, boys! Let’s let the ASG, LLC know how we really feel about the last 7-8 years.
DawgDad
February 25th, 2011
10:55 am
Go ahead, drum the coach out of town. Team will be following shortly, so who really cares? The only losers here are hockey fans.
Yawn
February 25th, 2011
11:18 am
To answer your question, no.
The real question is when is the AJC going to find another fan writer? They used to do it every season but have surprisingly kept you around
Thrashers
February 25th, 2011
11:39 am
We are not moving to Canada!!!!!!
Tom Lysiak
February 25th, 2011
11:54 am
Darren Dreger said the Laffs are in a bit of a quandary. They’re negotiating with Clarke MacArthur, yet possibly receiving offers that top the 1st and 3rd picks they got for Versteeg. Are you kidding? The guy never topped 35 points in the NHL until this year and he has 46 now? I’m not sure what the quandary is. Take any deal that approaches that.
golara
February 25th, 2011
11:59 am
Why is Bergfors, a 20 goal scorer and potential 55-65 pt guy, playing on the 4th line for a team that is scuffling for goals? Dumb, dumb coaching.
In their entire history as head coach and GM, Dudley and Ramsay have a total of 1 winning season, what else needs to be said?
Alan R.
February 25th, 2011
12:05 pm
As per @Real_ESPNLeBrun:
oday’s waiver list: Rivet on re-entry; Bernier cleared; Mike Smith cleared; Marco Sturm on waivers; Nick Boynton on waivers;
more… Kris Newbury (NYR) on waivers, Mike Commodore (CBJ) on re-entry, Todd Ford (Wash) on waivers, Wade Belak (Nash) on waivers
Gj ticketseveryyear
February 25th, 2011
12:11 pm
Fire waddell
Tom
February 25th, 2011
12:13 pm
Marco Sturm is an old Bruin and has some size. I wonder if Rammer is interested.
Cliff Fletcher
February 25th, 2011
12:21 pm
you know the blog is deteriorating when dawg fans join us to show off their stupidity
Amen Brother
February 25th, 2011
12:23 pm
Craptacular fiasco, well said my brother!
Iceman
February 25th, 2011
12:35 pm
I wanted Torchetti to be Atlanta’s coach immediately after Chicago won the cup.
Rawhide
February 25th, 2011
12:57 pm
Looks like this is goinf to be a very nice weekend for hockey in Atlanta, folks. And here’s a new blog for you to discuss these two very important games for the Thrashers.
John C.
February 25th, 2011
2:02 pm
The main problem with the Thrashers is not necessarily the coach…Find a new goaltender and we’ll go from there!
ablebody
February 25th, 2011
2:24 pm
@WTF?
uh, that’s what a playoff team is right, a stanley cup contender. if they earn the points then yes.
you mean to ask: even if the thrashers make it in the standings, do they deserve it?
either way, your question lacks objectivity. if the toronto maple leafs make the playoffs this year, it only goes to show how you can’t ever call a team dead.
thrasher
February 25th, 2011
8:44 pm
“We need some fire and emotion. Ramsay seems like a nice storyteller, but not much of a motivator.”
Emotion and motivation to do what? On how to use the bathroom! You have got to be kidding me. They are who they are. Even with the greatest coach, he can never teach a fish on how to talk. It is impossible and you have to know this, don’t you or are you that stupid?
Bbbb
February 25th, 2011
10:12 pm
Fire Ramsay. It’s not a team – it’s just bunch of guys who follow Ramsay’s “put the puck to the goal and good things happen” – bullshit.
Bbbb
February 25th, 2011
10:43 pm
Ramsay’s plan simply doesn’t work. He wants shots on goals without games. Todays game with 46 shots on goal is a good example, because with long-distance shorts – you can’t do anything. But Ramsay just doesn’t want to acknowledge his mistakes.
WTF?
February 25th, 2011
10:46 pm
not just fire Ramsay, but get rid of the dumb Czech goalie that can’t stop anything. Mason showed who is the best goalie on the team tonight. Just too bad he had to do all the work and eventually gave up the shoot out goal. What a sick team to watch
Bbbb
February 25th, 2011
11:39 pm
Pav need to sit for 5-6 games. I think he is just overloaded mentally, let him understand that he is not center of earth.
R. Stroz
March 2nd, 2011
2:21 pm
LAST
Rawhide
March 2nd, 2011
3:54 pm
R. Stroz – Nope.