Thrashers fans want answers from team owners
If you take a look outside, you’ll see the sun shining and the sky a brilliant shade of blue. We here in north Georgia and in other areas of the south are enjoying some very fine weather, even though it’s just a tease of what awaits us this spring.
However, there is also a dark, menacing cloud that remains camped above Thrasherville. It’s been there since the turn of the New Years and has cast a shadow of misery over hockey fans throughout the city.
Obviously, some of this stems from the current slide that the Thrashers have been on for the better part of a month and a half now…one that has seen them play to a 6-12-5 record since the 20th of December last year. However, Thrashers fans are quite used to the feeling that normally accompanies watching the team fall off the edge of the playoff table ‘round about this time of year. It’s almost a routine in these parts…a time honored ritual that serves as a rite of passage. You can’t really be a Thrashers fan, it seems, unless you’ve suffered through this kind of slump come mid-to-late winter.
But this particular cloud is much darker than those in years past. This one brings with it an additional spirit of gloom and despair that even the most longsuffering and emotionally scarred Thrashers fan is accustomed.
Almost since the day the A.S., LLC purchased this franchise, dark clouds began to hover over Thrasherville: L-R Steven Belkin, Todd Foreman, Ed Peskowitz, J. Rutherford Seydel,II, J Micheal Gearon, Sr., Bruce Levenson, Michael Gearon, Jr., Dominique Wilkins and Bernie Mullin. March 31, 2004 (AJC staff photo)
This year’s cloud that blankets the sky comes with the recent revelation that those who own the team, the group that make up the Atlanta Spirit, LLC, have for some time been trying to sell off the Thrashers. This particular piece of 411 came in the form of yet another lawsuit entered into by the Spirit Boys and contradicts the countless denials put forth by Bruce Levenson, the Spirit Boys and their mouthpiece Don Waddell.
Now for most of us, this little info-bomb dropped on Thrasherville a few weeks back came less as a surprise and more of an insult. For six years we’ve suspected that this bunch have looked upon the Thrashers as their unwanted stepchild and were less-than-caring for their well-being. But to have our suspicions confirmed in such a cold, callus fashion…reading for ourselves the legal filings that stated how they wished to “dispose” of the team…came as yet another slap to the face for the paying customers.
Here’s the latest, as reported by AJC Thrashers beat writer Chris Vivlamore:
“Atlanta Spirit co-owner Michael Gearon said there is now a “sense of urgency” to find additional investors or a buyer willing to keep the Thrashers in Atlanta. If the ownership group does not get additional financial help in the near future the franchise could be sold and moved to another city.”
(Update: AJC sports blogger Mark Bradley just filed his reaction to the story.)
I guess this is just another thing we are supposed to “deal with”, eh Bruce?
As stated above, fans in Thrasherville are also “dealing with” this team making its annual March From The Playoffs. Even though this team has shown a certain degree of improvement this season, they are clearly in need of some help if they’re to make a serious run. Help that comes by way of a trade to shore up the roster.
Unfortunately, these same fans also understand that any such deal may increase payroll over the last several weeks of the season. And given how the franchise has conducted its business, right at the league minimum for the last few years, it’s understandable why many doubt ownership would authorize any such increase in spending.
Also, this is the time of year that season ticket holders are beginning to receive their invitations to renew once again. While I’m certain that each and everyone of them are tickled pink blue that they’ve once again been considered worthy of such an invite, I’m confident that more than a handful of them are considering whether or not this team is still a viable choice for their entertainment dollar.
Oh, it’s not that the hockey market here is not what some had thought it’d be a decade and a half ago when the league returned to this area…quite the contrary, in fact. Atlanta is home to a great number of hard-core hockey fans that love the sport and enjoy it live and in person. But the fans here are now “dealing with” the fact that the same people who have lied to their faces are now sticking their hands out and asking for more of their money.
That’s putting the nice folks in the ticket office at quite a disadvantage, if you ask me.
In light of this…and I’ll speak directly to Mr. Levenson…you and/or any other member of the AS, LLC need to join forces with Waddell and hold one of the other time-honored traditions in Thrasherville, the always much-anticipated, highly entertaining, informative and spirited Town Hall Meeting.
This needs to be done and done soon, because quite frankly Brucie… you got some ‘splainin’ to do.
Yes, Levenson and the boys owe these fans an explanation…an accounting of just what they intend for the team that they love and support so much.
Bruce Levenson, right, owes Thrashers fans an explanation. He should do so face to face and not via a carefully crafted corporate memo (Curtis Compton)
In that meeting, Bruce…or whichever one of the Spiriteers possess the wherewithal to do so…should look these people square in the eye and explain why they have repeatedly misled them about their intention to “dispose” of this team. After all, it’s one thing to lie to a person…multiple times…but it’s quite another to insult their intelligence by remaining silent as if no one ever noticed.
Also, Bruce needs to outline to those assembled whether or not he thinks additional help is needed to seriously make a postseason drive…or whether or not he feels the roster is good enough to do the job in it’s current condition.
That is, of course, if he actually cares enough to formulate any such opinion.
Oh sure, sure. To do this right now would place Bruce in quite an uncomfortable spot as he would undoubtedly have to endure the verbal slings and arrows that would be lobbed his way. I’m sure even he understands that there are some mighty peeved residents of Thrasherville. But an owner with any ounce of integrity…any sense of honor and decency…any shred of common courtesy for those forking over good money on tickets…would do so given the circumstances.
Meeting face to face with Thrashers fans is the one and only way he and the Spirit Boys can even come close to regaining any of the credibility needed to once more ask these fine people to pony up the funds required to remain members in good standing of the Thrashers Season Ticket Holders Club. And that’s a club which, as a direct result of the current ownership group’s influence, is becoming more and more exclusive by the day.
Certainly no one expects any of them to delve in depth as to the issues surrounding this current round of legal action. Everyone understands that when a case is pending it’s wise for all parties to say as little as possible. But what the good people of Thrasherville should expect is a certain level of intestinal and testicular fortitude to be shown by their team’s ownership group…especially in regards to their commitment level to the team they continue asking you to commit money towards.
To date, such fortitude has been sorely lacking. But now would be as good a time as any for these guys to start showing some.
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Zoomo
February 16th, 2011
8:28 am
I listened to the Buff interview on 680 yesterday afternoon and it sounded like he couldn’t really hear Kincade. He answered a question about Dudley with a response about Ramsay. However, in between all the idle patter, Buff said that he sees great things ahead with the young core, and can see it being similiar to what happened in Chocago, and that’s why he wants to be here. Boy was that refreshing to hear.
Red Light
February 16th, 2011
8:29 am
This just in…a restricted free agent can’t test the waters, they can only be poached by another team. Sure, the raiding team in that scenario can contact the agent, but the player remains as property of his original team. There have been very few instances of a RFA leaving his entry level team, but when there is an offer (like Hjalmarsson) the club has right of first refusal. So, it’s not like Buff can contact all 30 teams, because Atlanta most certainly would have issued him a qualifying offer, just like they will do with Ladd and Bogo if their contracts aren’t re-negotiated in advance like Buff’s was. The extension means this guy can go out and conduct his business on the ice, rather than having to go through the dog-and-pony show this summer. But, he wasn’t leaving, couldn’t leave without the Thrashers blessing.
All that said, $5.2 million for five years is a high price to pay, but he has a ring, can play both on the wing and on defense and has taken 13.5 percent of all Thrashers shots this season…as a defenseman. That’s the highest total by far by any other d-man in the league and he certainly could use some help in that dept.
High marks for Dudley to get it done, ie. those players with NMC’s in their contracts might say “yes” to Atlanta knowing Kane, Buff, Pav, Enstrom, Antro, Little, Oduya and Hainsey will be back, for at least next year, and several beyond that.
A very good day for Thrashers for those reasons, but not so much in the standings. 10th and now just six points ahead of Clarke MacArthur’s Leafs!
World Be Free
February 16th, 2011
8:32 am
Flames-I have an issue with Hemsky’s health as well, he kind of reminds me of Tim Connoly. Both players’ health issues impact their play, though I have to say that I was shocked to see Tim Connolly block a shot against Montreal in OT last night. Buffalo is on their game right now, this kid center Byron may make Derek Roy expendable this summer. Good little center that sticks his nose where Roy doesn’t.
Tom Lysiak-do you wonder what it must be like to be Tomas Kaberle the last 3 seasons? He signs a home-discount contract with Tronna, then has to listen to trade rumors every other day. Maybe it is just because it is Toronto, but he has been the most rumored player in recent memory. And he had better watch it and NOT spurn a trade to a contender. The last think clubs want to hear about in the free agency market is a player that is content in staying with a losing team. Kaberle is on for a big payday this summer, watch Buffalo go for him. Kabs is just what Buffalo needs with a new owner that is ready to spend.
Spud Webb
February 16th, 2011
8:33 am
You cannot trade bogo, no if and or butts. I mean we’re doing one thing or the other, building young talent that will develop or trading young talent to win now??? Let’s be realistic for a second, is trading bogo this season going to fetch us a Stanley Cup?? I think not, the answer is NO. We want the playoffs bad, trade picks, we have enough young talent currently, with Burmy, Kane, Little, Thorburn, Bogo, Pavs, we don’t need more young guys to develop. Imperative to sign Ladd now, make a trade, but for a winger who can score, is under contract and wants to be here.
World Be Free
February 16th, 2011
8:35 am
Flames on Oilers-
Now wouldn’t that be a trade!
Phil Myre
February 16th, 2011
8:42 am
anyone who thinks these owners are going to spend one dime on the Thrashers are in a dream world. Unless a local buyer comes forward, this team is gone in the next yr or two. That will be a shame because Atlanta will get ripped for not being a hockey town when the actual problem is just very crappy ownership. They used to say Atlanta wasnt a baseball town. A little winning by the braves cured that,
Player to be named later
February 16th, 2011
8:46 am
Hey Phil I think the word is starting to get around that the real problem in Atlanta isn’t the fans but the owners. Maybe the media doesn’t go deep enough but the lasrge number of plateyrs jumping ship is attributed to the team’s decisions not the fans. In this economy, most people with alot of money are trying to protect it. We will see.
Sage of Bluesland
February 16th, 2011
9:10 am
Good points, Brendan…If the commissioner won’t assist such big markets, then there is no hope on that front for us…
Not a good way to start the day, with that thought.
Now, let’s see if this newfound hope for this abominable organization equates to spending more money on more than one or two players…Tokens, folks…Tokens and Symbols of “hope”.
Don’t let the propaganda fool you. Don’t be ignorant of history.
kracker
February 16th, 2011
9:33 am
Now get Laddie signed. That should make it a wee bit easier to interest players in signing here. Same applies for those players controlling which teams they will accept as a trade destination.
Cliff Fletcher
February 16th, 2011
9:36 am
gee sage thanks for a post that is reminiscent of the your last 500 posts. think we are all bright enough to know this team’s history.
Link To 11 Alive Story on SAVE The Thrashers
February 16th, 2011
9:37 am
Thrashers fans – we would appreciate it if you could take a moment to help us move the ball forward on our “Keep the Thrashers in Atlanta” campaign. Our objective it to find new owners who will keep your team based in our fine city. Can you please “like” or Facebook page and forward links to the 11 Alive video and to our website to your friends, family, and co-workers…..a little time and effort on your part may help us move closer to having a better team on the ice and new owners in the club suites:
11 Alive Story on SAVE The Thrashers;
http://arthurblankbuythethrashers.com/videosavethrashers.html
Facebook and Twitter Links:
http://www.arthurblankbuythethrashers.com/fans.html
We, as hockey fans, need to band together and let community leaders know that we need them to step up and lead on this issue. We appreciate any help you can provide. BTW – signing Buff does not necessarily show ASG is committed to the team or keeping the team here. Buff is now an ASSET of the franchise – an asset that can easily be sold or moved to another city. Glad to see they did it, but do not read too much into it regarding ASG’s commitment to winning or staying in Atlanta.
Smoothie
February 16th, 2011
9:45 am
This team better earn at least 7 of the next 10 points with wins over Buffalo and Toronto or else we will fast become sellers at the deadline. Buffalo is 4 – 1 – 1 in their last 6 and they get their next 6 games at home (although that seems to be more of a curse for the Sabres this year as they’ve struggled at HSBC). Montreal has left us in their wake and we probably won’t see them again unless the bottom totally falls out or Carey Price gets hurt. And it’s almost like they let Buffalo come back and win just to spite us in the standings by settling for the lone loser point. It’s put up or shut up time in more ways than one, and that includes Rick Dudley!
Big Buff is locked up, but playoffs far from a lock for the Thrashers: http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/?p=31285
Is there enough time?
Red Light
February 16th, 2011
9:54 am
A couple of things related to my post above. The Byfuglien contract is important in terms of its length, because he could have walked away after two more seasons (I do believe) when he would have become an unrestricted free agent. Now, he’s locked up for three years into his UFA years. I get the sense listening to his media conference yesterday, that he said “Yes” more to $5.2 million per year, the NHL, the ability to be a key figure on an NHL team and to the Atlanta weather. He’ll be a part of the organization until his contract expires at the age of 31, and you haven’t been able to say that about many 26-year-old Thrashers before, plus he should improve as a defenseman as the years pass.
Tom Lysiak
February 16th, 2011
9:57 am
WBF – no doubt about being Kaberle in TO. If I were him, I would be sick and tired of hearing that crap for all this time. I doubt he vetoes a trade unless it is to the Oilers. I bet a part of him would like to stay for the rest of the season and leave Burke holding the bag, as a payback for all the stress.
Even the announcers last night were commenting on Connolly blocking that shot!!!
Spud Webb
February 16th, 2011
10:02 am
“Kaberle is on for a big payday this summer, watch Buffalo go for him.”
WBF, I’d like to see Buffalo do that, but I’ll believe it when I see it. Yes new owners, but as a skeptic of the Sabres, I don’t believe they’ll make any moves. Byron has been a spark for them. Good young talent up there.
RedLight, great posts as usual. A 26 year old going into his prime, will be here for the next 5 years, awesome!
Gone Now
February 16th, 2011
10:09 am
from day 1, these moron owners have ruined any chance of the team being successful—just a bunch of rich prima donnas not having a clue about running a team. Good riddance—get the thrashers out of town and these owners too.
jjones
February 16th, 2011
10:22 am
Far to many REDNECKS in Atlanta to be a hockey town. All that these hicks care about is football -(the manliest of all he man sports.) … Yee-Haw!!!!!
Iron League 13
February 16th, 2011
10:24 am
THE WORD IS OUT!!! CVivs just got the scoop. THIS TEAM MAY MOVE!!! That’s straight from the F.A.S.G.
Iron League 13
February 16th, 2011
10:29 am
This is troubling as we know there ARE potential Cannuckian investors…THAT WANT THE TEAM IN CANADA!!!
Iron League 13
February 16th, 2011
10:39 am
Jjones- BULL(BLEEP) How in the Hell does Nashville and Carolina have teams when our northern transplants out number their entire populations? CUZ THEY WIN. WINNING = BUTTS IN SEATS, DUH!!! This happened in Pittsburgh before Crosby too, cuz they sucked. This town has had 2 minor league teams that did well one of which only left to make room for this sorry organization and Philips.
realist
February 16th, 2011
10:40 am
the whole experiment of hockey in the south is a miserable economic failure. miniscule tv revenue and not enough fans to pick up the slack. nothing unique about Atlanta–all the other southern teams are in miserable financial shape and can’t make it long term. so your whining about the ownership is misdirected and short-sighted. the only way hockey can be a success in the south is if more fans show up, and that’s not happening in Atlanta or anywhere else. Period.
Puckhead
February 16th, 2011
10:40 am
CViv’s latest article finally gets the truth out in the open. I was better off in my world of make believe. Any suggestions on where to spend the money for next year’s tickets.
Baaadger Bob
February 16th, 2011
10:43 am
A little funny to hear a broken record like SOB talk about history. History tells us the Thrashers don’t usually negotiate contracts while the season goes on. History tells us that our RFAs don’t sign contracts here that extend into their UFA years. History tells us that this team lacks identity. History tells us this team is cheap. Even us mindless sheep can see that Buff’s contract is a little bit different than what has happened during the Thrashers sad history.
Smoothie
February 16th, 2011
10:45 am
Hey look! The boycott is working!! The boycott is working!!
http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-thrashers/owner-sense-of-urgency-840692.html
Sage of Bluesland
February 16th, 2011
10:46 am
Interesting article on one of the owners asking for a commitment from the fans…My, that takes some nerve!
Commitment from the ownership–including accountability–is needed before my hard-earned dollar is given for your product.
This is an organization that ‘promoted’ Don Waddell, for Heaven’s sake.
Nope. Not another dollar for incompetence. Oftentimes in this world, you indeed get what you deserve. This is yet another textbook example.
Iron League 13
February 16th, 2011
10:47 am
So freakin’ pissed right now. Guys, basically what this translates to is that this team is gone. There are no ridiculously wealthy buyers for this market. Honestly, I understand. If you are a billionaire from Atlanta or the southeast, what are the odds that you LOOOVE hockey? It’s just not a sexy locale for hockey for non souther billionaires and I get that too. Anywho, now I think I know why Buff re-upped for so long.
kracker
February 16th, 2011
10:48 am
C-Viv’s new article will set the Canadians to howling again about moving the Thrashers
Stan Drulia
February 16th, 2011
10:49 am
Hey Sage, looks like you genius plan just may work… we may lose the NHL forever in our fine city. Hope you are happy.
Iron League 13
February 16th, 2011
10:52 am
Realist, here’s some realism for ya too…BULL(BLEEEP). How about the Isles of the 80’s compared to now? Or again Pittsburgh post-Mario/Jagr and pre-Crosby? How many teams has Winnipeg had? Hell even Hamilton and Quebec have had teams. WIN-NING EQUALS FANS AND BUTTS IN SEATS. Shortsighted is so funny, this town has hockey initiated people, LOTS OF EM. Why do the Glads fair well or the former Knights? Save it, you lose. Now go watch football or something.
Smoothie
February 16th, 2011
10:52 am
If the Thrashers would just win, they wouldn’t need any of SOB’s “hard-earned dollars” or that of any other naysayer. Should have spent some money on Mad Max at the start of the year or for a trade in late December and the winning could have continued. And a certain SOB would have been silently subsidizing his own incompetence in life.
Stop Yelling Knights
February 16th, 2011
10:53 am
So they get money when they sell the team and we get no hockey in Atlanta. Awesome!
kaiser souze
February 16th, 2011
10:57 am
All douches’, each and everyone of the Spirit Group. How can a group such as this been approved by both the NHL(figures really) and the NBA(focus Stern focus)? So it goes. How can you expect fans to step up when the dumb-ass owners are always shown sitting down laughing like their pulling a fast one on the Atl fanbase.
Tom Lysiak
February 16th, 2011
10:58 am
Bettmann went out and recruited Jeff Vinik to buy the Lightning almost a year ago. At least that was what I recall reading. He knew the ownership issues down there and found a buyer who lived in Massachusetts to buy that team. Is there reason to think he would do the same for Atlanta? Is there reason to think he would not? I know the building lease situation is different here, and that may be the problem. Either way, this has gotten to the serious stage. I’ve seen this movie before….
SomaAtl95
February 16th, 2011
10:58 am
Hello Mr Troll “Realist”, pretty sure you are a “Friend” from the great white north known as Canada. Only you guys call hockey below the “Mason-Dixon Line” an experiment.
Kind’ve like what we Americans call your form of government an Experiment, you see relaist, we rejected the crown in the 1770’s and if not for our country (even the states in the south) then the NHL would not be what it is now. Its always nice to act like you are so superior when you only have six teams in the league.
Keep up the snide comments and you’ll see people push to “Make it 5 or less” for your teams up in Canada – baseball is American but you dont see Americans say that Japan, Latin America, etc don’t “Deserve” it. Its common sense that if you want your sport to grow THEN IT HAS TO GROW BEYOND TRADITIONAL AREAS. If you love hockey so much then why constantly try to halt its growth?
I love the non Hockey residents of Canada because they aren’t pricks with giant egos and a sense of entitlement beyond what we Americans are accused of. How’s that for being a “realist”?
Frustrated Fan
February 16th, 2011
11:02 am
I have been a long time lurker on this blog and enjoy reading everyone’s comments and especially Rawhides perspectives. That being said, I have finally been compelled enough to write how frustrated I am with the owners. I finished reading the article on the front page about how the owners now want fan support, and they are desperate to find investors or the team will be moved. This ownership group has been lying to us for the last 6 years, not keeping players here, and now its our responsibility to show up at games to help save/keep this team here! Are you serious?!! In the article it seems that he is deflecting the responsibility that his group has shared for the last 6 plus years to now he puts it on the fans. This group has had enough time to fix/address this issue. If this team moves I will put that on the owners. How dare this guy, Michael Gearon, even hint at telling fans to show up. I have been a season ticket holder, wont do that again, many of us here have supported the team even when this ownership didn’t and lied to us. I am sick of this group! I do hope we, as fans, get a group in here to replace this bunch of @##holes! This guy has the nerve to treat this team like S@#T for 6 plus years and then tell the fans to spend their hard earned dollars on the team! What a complete J@##*&S!!
FAN
February 16th, 2011
11:05 am
Go to the games and show a potential buyer we can support a team!!!!!!!
Iron League 13
February 16th, 2011
11:06 am
GET IT RIGHT FROM HERE ON OUT GUYS IT’S THE F.A.S.G., LLC!!!! GRRR!!!! BLAMING US, WHAT NERVE!!! ACCOUNTABILITY!!!! THESE ARE NOT MEN, THEY CAN’T OWN UP TO THEIR OWN CRAPPY PRODUCT!!!
AGAIN IT’S THE F.A.S.G.!!!
Tom Lysiak
February 16th, 2011
11:06 am
Interesting that this “announcement” happens the day after Buff is signed long-term. Wonder if he has a 72 hours cooling-off period for that new contract?
gcs
February 16th, 2011
11:08 am
Does anyone notice something interesting about the above picture?
The guys on the outside are “out of the picture” team-wise. Belkin and Mullin are both gone.
Dominique better watch out.
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Iron League 13
February 16th, 2011
11:10 am
I can’t believe this group doesn’t read this kind of vitriol from us THEIR MONEY MAKERS!!! Guess what? I don’t believe they are oblivious to our feelings. EFF THEM!!! Shirking responsibility and dumping it on US!!! WE’VE BEEN HERE THICK AND THIN (MORE LIKE ANEMICALLY THIN)!!! EFF YOU F.A.S.G.!!!
Get The Puck Out
February 16th, 2011
11:16 am
Is the Hawks also in “trouble”?
alex
February 16th, 2011
11:17 am
now after gearon stated plain and strait that unless somebody, investors or buyers have to step up to save thrashers here, it’s no make any sense to whining and screaming about asg. for last 5 years i am been first on this blog gs fairly blaming asg idiots for not commitment to winning. now gearon speaking out: buy this or will move. of course this weasels can make impossible to local buyers to help in order to make more money from Canada. just lost all hope, only left to pray.
JROFRANO
February 16th, 2011
11:17 am
at the risk of repeating myself, ownership has to break the stalemate.
team loses, fans won’t come. fans won’t come, ownership has an excuse to stay way below the salary cap. since fans don’t act in concert, ownership has to break the stalemate and spend some money. if the team starts winning, fans will come.
does anyone know if attendence was up during the hot streak?
Sage of Bluesland
February 16th, 2011
11:18 am
Well stated, “Frustrated Fan”….Your ire is properly directed at the real cause of this problem: Ownership.
All else is peripheral, including the systemic blaming of ‘me’ for the obvious and correct market forces in play.
The naivete is astounding!
I’d rather have resolution to this never-ending circle-jerk than the constant offense to my intellect, the “Five-Year Plans”, the playoff “promises”, the “we’re further ahead of the Flyers at this point”, the “building through the draft!”, et. al.
Bettman CAN make it happen…if he only wants to…
Iron League 13
February 16th, 2011
11:20 am
When do we get our fair shake in the press? I’d love an expose from true fans in the media. I don’t want many of our former NEIGHBORS up north and in Canada getting to say, “told ya so”. Sick of Bettman glossing over this when asked with softball crap and the F.A.S.G. and their lies and blame passing. SICK-OF-IT!!!
Iron League 13
February 16th, 2011
11:22 am
JRO- GOOD QUESTION!!! Yes, it absolutely was, then a couple home games into the current crap it was heading south again.
Get The Puck Out
February 16th, 2011
11:22 am
Heck, Joe Johnson is making almost as much as buff in one year as he is making in five. Priorities?
Iron League 13
February 16th, 2011
11:23 am
That’s a very good question and yes, it absolutely backs us fans up with what we’ve been saying “WIN”!
Smoothie
February 16th, 2011
11:24 am
“All else is peripheral, including the systemic blaming of ‘me’ for the obvious and correct market forces in play.”
You really do have an over-inflated sense of self worth dont you? We don’t blame YOU jackhole, we resent you for trying to come across like all of your ideas are original and trying to take credit for the idea that ownership is to blame. Duh. These idiots will be out of professional sports in less than 5 years. They won’t be able to make money on the Hawks either. Any group that misses on Chris Paul obviously doesn’t know their ass from a hole in the ground.
Iron League 13
February 16th, 2011
11:26 am
what is up with not being able to see all the posting?