Better effort but same result for Thrashers

I wasn’t able to attend the game against the Calgary Flames Thursday night. There were some pre-planned events that the Divine Mrs. R had asked me to help with and…seeing she is always very understanding with my hockey schedule… when she does ask me to stay back and render assistance, I gladly oblige.

Because of that, I was able to listen a bit to Dan Kamal on my car radio as well as follow some of it on TV with Matt McConnell and Darren Eliot. As I switch from one media outlet to the other throughout the evening, all three were saying much the same thing regarding the Thrashers play…that the effort and work ethic on the ice was far better than what was on display during the 4-1 loss to the Islanders Tuesday.

Freddy Meyer fell to the ice late in the second period of Thursday game against Calgary. He was able to skate off the ice on his own power and is listed with an upper body injury (AP/John Bozeman)

Freddy Meyer fell to the ice late in the second period of Thursday game against Calgary. Team official say he suffered an upper body injury (AP/John Bozeman)

Indeed, they did perform much better than they have of late. They were fighting hard and doing a lot of things right on the ice. But until the NHL starts giving out points in the standing for playing respectably, none of that really matters…does it?

Sure, as Eliot said afterwards, sometimes you have to show yourself you can play well again before the results come. However, the current tailspin the Thrashers are in does not allow much time for that to eventually come around. The points have to start coming with the effort now.

Too many times since New Years, this team has found itself tied or within a goal during the latter stages of the game…only to find themselves on the wrong end of the score after 60 minutes have been played. This was true in the game against Toronto a few weeks back, against Philadelphia and in Dallas just after that and most recently this week against the Islanders when a 1-0 first period lead turned into a 2-1 deficit late in the second.

Those games resulted in 9-3, 5-2, 6-1 and 5-1 losses respectively.

Thursday night, Atlanta held took a 2-1 after Nik Antropov fed a nice pass over Anthony Stewart for his 13th goal of the season. It was a lead they held for all of 55 seconds before Brendan Morrison knocked home a pass from Mark Giordano. But regardless, it was a game they had within their reach going into the third and….and…and…

…sigh…

As has been the case all too many times, confusion in front of the net and the inability to clear the puck lead to what would be the game-losing goal. It came with just under six minutes to play and the Thrashers were unable to recover from it.

About the only thing to get even halfway happy about after this latest disappointment is that Carolina was beaten by Toronto 3-0 while the Flames were winning their first game in Atlanta since they called the city home. What it leaves us with is the Thrashers still up on the Canes by one point in the standings and one huge game in Raleigh on tap for Saturday night.

They’ll need another good effort in Carolina that night. Only this time, the effort better come with points…or this mid-winter tumble will roll them right out of the eighth and final playoff spot.

By: Bill Tiller – AJC.com Thrashers Fan Blog

198 comments Add your comment

R. Stroz

February 3rd, 2011
11:19 pm

This team has too many ponies, not enough horses, and no honest to goodness thoroughbreds to win consistently.

Wayne stuck in AL

February 3rd, 2011
11:32 pm

As of tonight, I officially wash my hands of this team.

ZAvalanche

February 3rd, 2011
11:42 pm

Oh Wayne, don’t ditch the team and don’t be a band wagoner. That type of response is exactly why people don’t take southern hockey seriously. My other team lost a close one at home, has less points than Thrashy does but I stuck to the TV and scared the crap out of the dog when they scored even when they were down after 90 seconds. Wanna know the difference between a serious hockey market and Atlanta? They hang in there even when the team sucks. And Thrashy isn’t sucking, just struggling. Buck up camper, they will come around.

B. Thenet

February 3rd, 2011
11:54 pm

If they can keep slowly getting better, we might win a game in regulation by March.

If Dudley has not had a Come to Jesus meeting with Ramsay yet, he better put in on his to do list.

Dwayne C

February 4th, 2011
12:06 am

Same result indeed. Lots of one goal losses. Lots of defensive zone lapses. Lots of “well we played hard but just came up short” rhetoric from Thrashers players.

New head coach and new GM…but the same results. Another swoon going on right now…just like in past seasons…and with the same old result of failing to make the playoffs.

The Atlanta Thrashers ain’t gonna make it here in Atlanta.

Brendan

February 4th, 2011
12:16 am

Wayne, the team is STILL in playoff position. It’s a little bit ‘early’ for hand-wringing. If they were 13th or 14th place right now, playing like they have, I could see a writ of “Let’s think about Next Year” being issued, followed by a well thought out firesale of the pending UFA’s.

If the Thrashers are the Thrashers of old, they’ll put a 6-1-3 streak of games together AFTER the time in which such a 6-1-3 record could have positioned themselves into the playoffs. D’oh! “Middle of the pack” is the worst place for a team to finish. You miss the playoffs … ANNND you don’t position yourself to make major offseason improvements via the Draft. But, let’s not think too far ahead.

In the past 19 games, this team is 4-15, straight up. Yikes.

PB

February 4th, 2011
12:44 am

With Carolina having 2 games in hand and a winning percentage that gets them 2 points from those, it is debatable whether we should even consider them in playoff position right now.

Thrashy Thrashy

February 4th, 2011
1:00 am

The idea that a team must be successful to stay in a city is ludicrous. By that logic, the Leafs should have moved years ago.

I’ll never drink the Kool-Aid for any team I cheer for. As Brendan points out, 4-15 is decidedly ungood. The fact that these guys are in playoff position, however tenuous, should hearten them to wake the bleep up and take the bull by the horns. There is an opportunity here. Sure would be nice if Dudley could get a move done soon to let these guys know the front office (well, at least the GM) is trying to help them out.

Barry

February 4th, 2011
1:08 am

This team doesn’t deserve to be in a playoff spot right now. To me this team is really really lost and I’m not sold on Ramsay as the head coach. He’s a good hockey teacher sure but not a head coach. The systems doesn’t seem to be working anymore. I haven’t really seen the team make any adjustments to other teams strategies. They still can’t figure out how to clear the “foxtrot” puck out of their own “foxtrot” zone. They have had what…4 months to get this figured out and they still can’t do it? WTF? This team also has completely forgotten how to play any kind of team defense. They have been blown out big time in several games over the last few weeks. They used to be able to make a come back in the 3rd period when they got behind. Now this team is doing something amazing if they can score more than 1-2 goals in a game! Oh and I don’t know if you guys have looked at the stats but our beloved Thrashers have given up more goals than anyone else in the league…the entire NHL! I’m sorry but this team is just really really lost.

Thrashy Thrashy

February 4th, 2011
1:28 am

They sure as hell look lost. That’s why a deal has to be made. We’ve known a deal or two needed to be made all season. We have prospects to move. Dudley is not stupid enough to do a Coburn-for-Zhitnik trade, so I feel that the man can get value at the deadline. We need more than one player, though. I want veteran options with talent remaining in their bodies to be able to take the spot of guys like Burmistrov right now.

Given the way the forwards are playing, we do not have a single one over the age of 30 who can give this team what it needs: direction and leadership. Ladd and Buff are good players, but at 25, they’re still kids. I’m excited about the youth and talent on the club, but there’s no reason we can’t make a move to improve now. We have some depth of talent in the minors. We have some depth of young talent in the big club. It’s time to show these kids that we mean business by bringing in some guys who have been through the wars and, more importantly, are still able to win them.

Acer

February 4th, 2011
4:37 am

The big unknown in efforts to improve the franchise are the all so popular owners. Will they provide Dudley with the cap space to make moves? For arguments sake, let’s just assume so.

I’d target an overpaid and under performing (not recently though) Alexei Kovalev. Do honestly think that Ottawa wants more than a 3rd rounder for him? Use the Pens trade for Guerin as a blueprint for a Kovalev trade:

“Traded Bill Guerin to Penguins for 2009 conditional fifth round pick (fourth round if Penguins make 2009 playoffs, third round if Penguins advance to second round of 2009 playoffs) (#91-Michael Lee) on 2009-03-04″

You acquire a (recently) solid skilled veteran winger without giving up a 1st round pick, a young player like Bogosian or a prospect.

Larry E

February 4th, 2011
7:44 am

You can talk all you want to about trades, young and old players, but until their is a change in management and Waddell is gone, nothing is going to change. Stop putting a bandade on the problem. Every Thrashers fan should email or call the NHL office and demand that the current owners and management be removed and the league take over. I love hockey and keeping hockey in Atlanta, but this is an embarrassment.

thebighairybeast

February 4th, 2011
7:50 am

I dont blame Ramsay or coaching. I think Ramsay has been the rock through all this. I feel that we need to realize that our roster, top to bottom, is not as talented as we think. Remember our team is run on the cheap and suffers a huge gap in the legal fees to cap money ratio, I sometimes think this latest law suit is just a master plan to get more money for payroll. but I dirgress . . .

Seriously though, this team lacks true first and second line talent. Now Im not saying we dont have talent. Buff, Toby, Ladd, and Pavelec are horses that we need to ride as long as possible. But looking at the rest of the guys and our talent level is servicable but not overwhelming.

Kane and Burmi are young and developing and should be awesome one day. But today they are promising young players who are growing and have their ups and downs. Antropov is an aging verteran who is struggling with health issues. Little has had one true good season and is inconsistant. Bogo is struggling but as defensemen develope slower Im still willing to let him grow. This is his forst year with real coaching. Pevs is all heart but is a 2nd-3rd liner at best. Hainsey is a 4-6 defensemen and is solid but not a game changer. The greek gods are all heart but again are 3-4 line players.

The run in November and December was awesome. But the rest of the league is stepping up its game. The second half of the season is when teams start playing at a higher level. And our true level of overall talent is starting to show.

Iron League 13

February 4th, 2011
7:50 am

Larry, I just don’t see how this is a Waddell problem, sorry. He’s the president and I’m telling you he works for the ASG (CHEAPSKATES). After 11 years of mediocrity who’s he gonna sign in the offseason of any worth? No good free agents want to sign here without serious coin and ccommitment, none. We can’t build off bargain bin free agents and draft picks (it takes too long). Anyways it’s the ASG, period, they control the money not Donny Wad.

Second, guys unless a bonafide miracle happens in the form of a trade, you can kiss the playoffs goodbye. This is gonna be more ugly than pretty. Again, how was this not obvious in the summer when we didn’t make up for lost pieces?

thebighairybeast

February 4th, 2011
7:52 am

Err I havent had my coffee yet, excuse my typos.

TrueBlue

February 4th, 2011
8:04 am

Better effort does not mean maxing out your scoring ability to a whopping 2 goals! This team is struggling in every aspect of the game right now. Passing, scoring, skating with the puck, playing basic D…….Nothing is where it should be. The fact that this teams highest scoring ability in a game in the past few games is 2 is beyond alarming. It is downright pathetic.

jimbo

February 4th, 2011
8:13 am

Better effort, better effort??? Are you kidding me? These are professionals who are paid for results not effort. We were manhandled in the last period AT HOME. GIMME A BREAK, THIS IS A GUTLESS TEAM. THE FAT LADY IS WARMING UP.

Larry E

February 4th, 2011
8:14 am

Iron League: Notice, I said Waddell and Management, which includes current owners. I do agree that the talent level is not here. Yes we have some good young players, Kane, but as any good hockey fan knows, this time of year the level of play steps up and playoff hockey is way above regular season. If we can’t compete now, we don’t have a chance later.

Get The Puck Out

February 4th, 2011
8:26 am

The law of payroll physics apply here. Low payroll-low talent. Cheap owners-Kansas City Royals of the NHL. Until new, caring owners take over this team it doesn’t matter who’s coaching. It’s very discouraging……

Sage of Bluesland

February 4th, 2011
8:41 am

“The law of payroll physics apply here. Low payroll-low talent. Cheap owners-Kansas City Royals of the NHL. Until new, caring owners take over this team it doesn’t matter who’s coaching. It’s very discouraging……”

Amen. It truly is a “numbers” game. Worst ownership in the league. Bad senior management (Waddell). Roster built cheaply. Minor league feeder system a shambles from day-one.

What do you honestly expect???

The coach can only pull so many levers and blow so many whistles–it comes down to reality sometimes…and that reality is you ‘usually’ cannot make silk purses out of sows’ ears. That’s just the way it is. The ‘Miracle’ (1980 U.S. team) stories only happen what, once per generation or so?

So, stop dweaming the impossible dweam–especially in relation to this abomination of a franchise. There ISN’T a “Major League” (baseball movie) story in the making here, folks.

The malaise which permeates this franchise is so thick you can cut it with a knife. It’s everywhere–and anyone who continues to drink the Kool-Aid is either associated with the organization (i.e. Darren Eliot, the king of sell-outs) or is seriously delusional.

I don’t which is more embarrassing: the product and the organization behind it….or those who continue to try to ‘cheer the troops up’….Ugh.

Please stop subsidizing this embarrassing incompetence. This is the ONLY way to get the league office involved. Deny all you want–but several games of 1,000 (opponent-team’s fans) people in the stands WILL have the desired effect…of something…of anything…

The ‘real’ fans of the Atlanta Thrashers deserve better. The only question I have is will they make the necessary short-term sacrifice to ensure their long-term hopes are realized? Will they continue to listen to these false “prophets” who continue to urge patience, hope, spweadsheets, and dweams?

It’s a shame, really.

Russian

February 4th, 2011
8:42 am

I know that it can be CRAZY IDEA by Drunk and Unhappy Russian. :-) I like to move Bogus to Forward position. Just let me tell you why we can do that. First of all I do not like to trade him to old veteran player. He is young. Second, He can skate very well and has a big Body and yes…. he can shoot puck in the net. Chicago did same thing with Buff. It worked to Stanley Cup.
I do not know how Meyer condition now, but I think they are going to call someone from Wolves. I like to practice and play Carolina game with lines:
Ladd-Little-Berg
Kane-Antro-Stuart
Cormie-Pever-Tront
Bogus-Burmi/Stamp-Modin/Bolt

Buff – Sopel
Oduay – someone from Wolves
Hainsi – someone from Wolves

Actually I like to see Welch and Kulda
This is a my plan for Today and Saturday practice. :-)

Beauregard Turner

February 4th, 2011
8:42 am

When are they gonna punch a hole in that thar frozen cement pond and let me go ice fishin in my arena?

Darkhorse

February 4th, 2011
8:54 am

“This team has too many ponies, not enough horses, and no honest to goodness thoroughbreds to win consistently”

R. Stroz-That’s been my main worry all season, at least in regards to the on ice part of this franchise. And I’m glad Kovy is gone. Not the type of thoroughbred we need, but need some we do.

I get the fact we are devoid of enough mature, on ice talent to sustain an entire season, but don’t get why the effort is hardly ever there. We really need an iron fist owner to come in here before it’s too late.

Get The Puck Out

February 4th, 2011
9:08 am

We fans do deserve better. Anybody know how to get in touch with Mark Cuban?

Badger Bob

February 4th, 2011
9:34 am

GS from last night: “when you spend like #29, you shouldn’t really be in the top 16″. Exactly. As frustrated as I am with the recent play, RD and Rammer have produced an “overperforming team” from a payroll perspective. It is ASG that should receive all the wrath.

Food for SOB’s DW hatred: GWG scorer Mikael Backlund was drafted by Calgary using the first round pick we shipped to St Louis for Keith Tkachuk. DW will haunt the Thrashers long after SOB puts him in his grave.

Joe Friday

February 4th, 2011
9:41 am

Good thing they gave Modin and Pevs that chance on the 4th line, worked out nicely, eh? Bogosian out there manning the point with the goalie pulled? Put someone out there that can hit a freakin net!

Was so happy to see them change the system up to get something clicking . . . wait, what?

The best part of the night was fighting through traffic for 2 1/2 hours to try to get to a 7pm start time and finally arrive at the arena with 5 mins left in the 1st.

The decision making in this franchise just boggles the mind.

Spud Webb

February 4th, 2011
9:43 am

Great game, it was ours, the morrison goal was a killer though. We’re right there and I refuse to give up on this team. Management is what it is and has been all year, nothing to do with this streak. It will come back around a few bounces here and there. GREAT interview with Hainsey between the 1st and 2nd periods, blunt and spot on.
I was flipping back and forth, stars vs bruins was a H&LL of a game. Dallas got they h&ll kicked out of them in the 4 fights and fell behind 4 zip in teh first. Then staged a MAJOR comeback to get within 1, with plenty of time left. Then Kari LetimIN gives up yet another softie to take all the air out of the stars. Say what you want about Crawford, but most teams would’ve folded after that start. The stars are good, talented and some serious heart on that team. Great game.

msg

February 4th, 2011
9:51 am

11000 fans? You wish! It looked more like 1100. Can anybody help to sell this team, please ?
Get tem all out of here!! With this ownership this team will never make it!!! Sell, sell, sell!!!!!!!!

Joe Friday

February 4th, 2011
9:54 am

“GS from last night: “when you spend like #29, you shouldn’t really be in the top 16″. Exactly. As frustrated as I am with the recent play, RD and Rammer have produced an “overperforming team” from a payroll perspective. It is ASG that should receive all the wrath.”

ASG gets their share of the wrath, and we’ll all be after them with the pitchforks when they move the Thrash to Kansas City/Houston/Oklahoma City/Seattle/Quebec City . . . but the Rangers proved for many years that spending money doesn’t = success. And NJ is proving it yet again this year, as the #1 spender, that it doesn’t work. And Nashville proves every year, and again this year sitting at #4 seed out West while being the #25 Cap spender, just barely above our Thrash, that one can be a low payroll team and be successful. Calgary is the #4 spender in the league, is their lineup that much better than ours? you saw the comparision just last night. Toronto is the #5 spender in the league, is their lineup that much better than ours?

Good managing (drafting, signing, developing) and good coaching (systems, in game changes, special teams) always always always wins out over a formula that is predicated on spending money.

Dudley needs time in his job to work the managing part of it and undo the damage Waddell did for so many years. Ramsay got the guys to play better hockey than Anderson did, and has taught them some good things, but I don’t think he’s the guy to lead us to the promised land.

R. Stroz

February 4th, 2011
10:00 am

A few points:

1) With the goalie pulled, Ramsay has Bogosian playing the point, who, again, misses the net resulting in the puck rimming all the way around back into our own end of the ice. But, it gets better. Ramsay has Modin on the ice as well, with the goalie pulled, who gives the puck away behind our own net for the empty netter. So Bogosian misses, Modin gives the puck away, and neither should have been on the ice. BOGOSIAN AND MODIN SUCK. IS RAMSAY BLIND?

2) At one point last night, when our defense had the puck, one of the Calgary players was literally behind the Thrashers net waiting for the bounce pass behind the net off the boards between our defensemen. When your team is that predictable to an opponent you only play once a season, the coach MUST change things up. The coach MUST ADD SOME NEW WRINKLES TO THE SYSTEM.

Fan from Carolina

February 4th, 2011
10:08 am

Spud, I was with you changing channels. 3 fights in the first 4 seconds and seeing Campbell ‘bloodied’ was priceless. The Bruins announcer, Edwards, is such a fan and ‘homer’ which makes it all so entertaining. No, haven’t given up on the Thrashers but you can only take so much ‘puck watching’ before frustration sets in. I was glad to see the NHL Network highlights pick up on that, especially with 5 men down low and no one taking the body. They seem so lost.

Spud Webb

February 4th, 2011
10:27 am

Carolina, Yes, Edwards is a homer for sure. Classic, I HATE to say it, but the more I watch that d&mn boston team, the more i think Redlight might be right with his eastern conference prediction. Ferrance, I had no idea he could drop em like that.

Russian

February 4th, 2011
10:33 am

I am waiting to Call Up from Chicago. Where is a news about it?

alex

February 4th, 2011
10:36 am

i want to drop this from my chest and rest the case for the remainder of the season. at the beginning, as the current roster been construct, almost everybody here mentioned “hey we are cheap going to be difficult to compete. i felt same we are out from playoff and even suggested dud. to begin check in October for lottery draft. actually i been wrong thrashers grossly overachieved and even now in February not out yet. my point is hey asg idiots it’s been simple solution, instead of costly litigation’s with millions spend on lawyers fees, please add approximately 6 mil. to team payroll. so kubina and max going to resign (max got 5 years in khl but wanted 3 in Atlanta). and we don’t need meyers, modin, davies, stampleton – anl material. so get at least this two and you in. but asg and loyal dog DW decided otherwise. better to start another litigation, but you passion thrashers fans can kiss gearon, levenson an waddell rear end. i remember add they ran on 680 am. “thrashers reloaded, recharged and ready for Stanley cup run” my answer to this crap been “thrashers re-cheap-ed, re-lied and ready again for lottery draft”. am i been wrong. i get great respect to ram. and dud. in part because after DW, frasier, anderson anyone going to improve this organization. but dud-ram had to show courage meet face to face with asg weasels and tell them true at the beginning of the season and if they rejected, leave the team like a proud men. i know lot of examples in pro sport, last one in England biggest soccer league in the world, aston villa team manager did this to embarrass owners. and last and i am done with this team in 2010-2011 and not bother any more asg clowns. they not worthy any more my drug prescription for high blood pressure. i am immigrant to this country more than 25 years. remember problem for families because of communist iron curtain. my mother long passed away with tear and heard broken gave me permission to move knowing she never going to see me again. ” i know you and family going to be happy and this is all what i need in this world”. difficult to lose thrashers it’s like lovely child, but if somewhere in Quebec or British Columbia they be OK i am OK. at least DW finally get permanent unemployed.

Badger Bob

February 4th, 2011
10:48 am

JF, no doubt that spending doesn’t assure success. That is a given. But refusing to spend usually guarantees mediocrity, and that’s where we are. Nashville is an amazing story and NOT the norm. Our refusal to spend means failure to retain talent – even if we offer a player the same money as another team, they know we’re not going to stock the rest of the team properly and are more likely to bail.

Spending in Calgary, TO and NY doesn’t equal success because of past or current GMs who are as bad as DW (or in the case of NJ, a GM who has regressed into being as bad as DW). I believe we have a better GM than that, so if he had the $$ he’d do more with it than Sutter, Burke or Sather.

ASG is an entertainment enterprise, period. They care about the Thrashers winning % as much as they care about Fleetwood Mac’s winning %. It’s just a show on the calendar.

Iron League 13

February 4th, 2011
10:56 am

Mr. Larry E., I apologize my lack of reading comprehension this morning, I definitely don’t intend on sounding abbrasive, sorry for seeming that way.

I fully agree with you and I called it a game ago, this current roster won’t make it. In fact I think this current roster is screwed UNLESS they get healthier and acquire several very good players VERY SOON. I’m not suggesting superstars, just very solid guys. Burmi, Stapleton, Cormier, etc. need to be surrounded by signifigantly better players, they just aren’t ready for this load now and that’s been a no brainer for a long time now.

Mooseberg

February 4th, 2011
10:57 am

Since they can’t standup for one another anymore we can officially change the name of the team to the Atlanta Candy@ssess

jimbo

February 4th, 2011
11:01 am

Salaries and payroll don’t produce good honest, hard working effort. Ability, personal pride, competitive nature and leadership do. A number of not so high priced teams have won the Cup over the past 10 years- Canes and Flames as great examples. We have a good bunch of young players who need to be throttled, kicked, threatened, told to mix it up. By whom? Certainly not a low key, appears to be clueless head coach who loves the word “accountability” but doesn’t know how to stimulate it. Very, very frustrating.

Joe Friday

February 4th, 2011
11:11 am

“But refusing to spend usually guarantees mediocrity”

No it doesn’t, just like aiming to spend doesn’t usually guarantee success.

Let’s put it this way, when’s the last time an NHL or NFL club with a bad coach (the two sports that are most reliant upon good coaching, schemes, systems) won a Stanley Cup or Super Bowl? It don’t happen. New England, year after year, gets the job done plugging different players into their system, a system that works. Coaches come and go, players come and go, but Darth Belechik gets it done year after year. Good systems win championships, not money.

If we convince ourselves that we can’t win if we don’t spend to the cap max, then we might as well give up on this team, because despite all the bravado about #8 or whatever TV market/population, this city is in fact a small market for hockey. Unless we get an owner who’s a billionaire and passionate about hockey and is willing to take losses year after year, we’ll never be a high spending team. You have to take a realistic look at it, like Nashville does, and implement a good GM and a good coach that can take a low payroll club team and make it competitive. Dudley seems to have the capability, I don’t see Coach’s system working after other clubs figured out how to counter it.

Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
11:14 am

I agree JF on the payroll situation. This isn’t baseball. Granted the high dollar white collar teams are consistently in the playoffs but that does not mean low dollar blue collar teams can’t be.

The Thrashers are so low on the payroll right now because they are so young and took advantage of some off season trades and signings. There has not been a single mention of the word “rebuilding” uttered from management this year. But that is exactly what has been going on since the Kovalchuk trade. Still, they are getting a lot out of them for their money.

The young pieces are being put in place nicely. Anyone who thinks Burmistrov, Cormier, Kane, Little, Bergfors, Bogosian, and Pavlec are not going to be major impact players in the NHL, dosen’t know what they are watching. Throw in the 25-26 year olds Stewart, Enstrom, Ladd, and Byfuglien who have yet to hit their peak or high dollar mark and that makes 11 very skilled and very young players that keeps the payroll down.

Does that have trade-offs? Of course it does and we are seeing that now due to their inexperience. All of these guys are at least two to three years off from when they should be at their best. Guys like Kane, Bogosian, and Bumi are at least 5 away. Veteran teams like Calgary can beat them more-so with experience than skill. And that happened last night. You want a high dollar team like Philly and Detroit? Wait for five years and see how much these guys are getting paid.

In the mean time, bring in a few more vets – not necessarily high dollar ones – that can help them along the way. The Thrashers do not lack talent. They lack experience.

Joe Friday

February 4th, 2011
11:16 am

“Ramsay has Bogosian playing the point, who, again, misses the net resulting in the puck rimming all the way around back into our own end of the ice. But, it gets better. Ramsay has Modin on the ice as well”

Yep. I muttered all the way to car last night about what he was thinking about having those two on the ice in crunch time.

“one of the Calgary players was literally behind the Thrashers net waiting for the bounce pass behind the net off the boards between our defensemen. When your team is that predictable to an opponent you only play once a season, the coach MUST change things up”

yep again. I am telling you, it worked for the 20 game stretch not out of luck, not out of sleep opponents, it worked because coach had a system going that was beating the other clubs and we have the players to implement it. What has changed is that the other clubs scouted us (they do that, you know, by having pro scouts here and by getting game tapes and the opposing coaches look at our tendencies and implement schemes to counter us). The change has been that coach’s system has been scouted by other clubs and they have countered it, and he has not changed it up. It’s why our offense is shut down. They know our outlets, they know to deny Buf the puck, and they’re shutting us down. Change it up!

Thrashers

February 4th, 2011
11:28 am

We are still in 8th dammit!!!!

Iron League 13

February 4th, 2011
11:29 am

I’ve got one more thing to say, albeit it’s from the gut sans hypothetical points calculations and such. This team is screwed if they don’t make a BLOCKBUSTER kinda move BEFORE the deadline. I

‘m telling you it’s gotta be amazing, too bad we can’t give anything up really in order to acquire anything, we need to trade away a couple guys like Bogo and Modin, plus picks and pucks at least in order to get one really good vet. What do we give up after that? We sure as Hell need more help than one guy. I say bet the farm (system) it ain’t that great anyway, plus all of our picks so that we’ll be forced not to rely on them next season and for several seasons after that. That would make for an entertaining summer of free agent hunting (FOR ONCE) to follow too.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
11:43 am

“What has changed is that the other clubs scouted us (they do that, you know, by having pro scouts here and by getting game tapes and the opposing coaches look at our tendencies and implement schemes to counter us)”

That’s true to a point, but the players are not running the system consistently. D-men are falling back on conservative D to D passes because they are either tired (Sopel), playing above their capacity (Bogo) or frustrated beyond belief (Hainsey & Buff). Earlier in the year, D-men were racing back — with good forward support mind you — getting to pucks quickly and moving up the ice with it far more often than now. Seems like the gaps are too wide too often and the D-men are looking up and seeing no option but rather 2 opposing team’s forwards bearing down on them. Throw in a reluctance to skate the puck when the middle is open and poor support from the center in some cases, and you get stuck in your zone too often, panicked clearing attempts and too much standing around hoping the puck will bounce to the right spot. Run the system or get on the bench. Ramsay needs to shorten the bench and tell anyone who doesn’t run the system is gonna ride the pine for the period. We’re not talented enough to half-ass our system with 4 lines that are short on experience and talent. Period.

Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
11:54 am

Think about this, the Thrashers have 5 players who are in their 30’s – Antropov, Modin, Boulton, Sopel, and Mason. How many of them are impacting the younger players and team production while playing together on the ice?

Antropov is the only one who sees significant ice time and that has been hampered half of the season. Sopel’s biggest impact on a player’s on ice development has probably been to 29 year old Hainsey. Mason has undoubtedly helped Pavs but that does not have the same impact on skaters. Modin has helped mentoring as well but in his limited role that has not come in the form of assists to the skilled younger guys. Same with Boulton.

Again, a couple of 28-33 year old veteran forwards that can play two way hockey along with an older shut-down D-man would go a long way and it still would not break the bank.

Noah's Ark

February 4th, 2011
12:00 pm

If we had a bounce go our way last night instead of another goal going in off our own player, we would have won 2 of the last 3 games and everyone would have been celebrating the heart of this team for showing up after a loss against the Islanders. It’s that close in the NHL.

Still, 4-15 straight up in the last 19. Not good.

Saturday night’s game is monstrous. Our next game after that is in Toronto, who must be thinking they still have a shot at the playoffs if they can beat us in regulation. And the Sabres must be foaming at the mouth with 5 games in hand and only 6 points behind us.

Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
12:15 pm

I agree Smoothie. Last night the system was clicking. And, there were some changes made mostly in the neutral zone and holding the attacking zone which I have seen very little of this year. Hell they were even running a left wing lock last night! When has that ever happened? Most of the time the winger pressures the puck carrier from the side. All of that was a result of not having all three forwards so low that they could not get back and support the D. That has been part of Ramsay’s system all year. Last night they played it and played it well.

The system was not being implemented by the players during the last Tampa and Isles games. One understandably the other unforgivably. Calgary takes away the boards as well as any team to break the cycle or take away the reverse from D-men. Still, the Thrashers did a good job last night in those areas. Little’s goal was produced from it and it was a thing of beauty.

The breakout was good and the cross ice feed was great. What was even better was actually seeing the Thrashers force turnovers in the neutral zone! I’ve been waiting all year for that. You want shots cut down? Play the system!

Cliff Fletcher

February 4th, 2011
12:26 pm

After reading most (not all) of today’s posts, all I can say is that I am glad that I don’t take this as seriously as some of you do. It’s only really worth it if your paycheck is tied to the team wining or losing. Everyone enjoy your weekend.

Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
12:29 pm

I want to add that I love D to D passes and reverses. It allows the D to establish the look they want and open up the ice. The Thrashers wheel it as well as any D unit in the league. They also make nice up passes when the forwards are there for support. The one area I don’t like in the NHL is the rim unless it is out of desperation or on the PK. I think Ramsay would rather a D-man eat the puck down low than rim it. The opposing D-men and high forwards are too quick in this league to pull it off 5 on 5.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
12:32 pm

Sorry Cliff for actually wanting to see our young players get a taste of the playoffs! While I should be more cavalier in my approach to this team, it’s not in my DNA to half-ass things, including my support of my favorite team. I’m afraid it’s all or nothing for some of us and hence the reason why there are so many loyal, frequent posters on this blog. Plus, we’re generally pretty bored during the day apparently! ;-)

Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
12:34 pm

NA you are right about some of those losses even more correct about what would be being said here today should the Thrashers got a few lucky bounces to go their way.

CF some of us just like talking hockey.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
12:39 pm

Cornbread – there is nothing wrong with D to D passes when the team is making a line change or the gaps are poor coming back on the return to the D-zone, but I still think the D are being too careful because either their confidence is shaken or they don’t have enough confidence in their teammates. Too often we’ll make 2 or 3 D to D reverse passes and then shoot a wild stretch pass up the ice that goes nowhere. I know they are supposed to get it to the C through the middle, but unless the D to D is the proper, quick reaction to heavy pressure, it seems like it gives the other team too much time to set up their F/C and clog up the NZ thus taking away passing options. I would like to see D-men skate the puck more to draw defenders and open up space for the circling forward. Some of it I think just boils down to confidence and that is in short supply right now.

BTW, can you explain how the left-wing lock is supposed to work because obviously this team has never been very good at it and conceptually I’m having a hard time seeing it in my mind’s eye. Thanks!

LAC

February 4th, 2011
12:39 pm

More mindless chatter form the empty brain of this cliff fletcher, Go away “cliff” you offer nothing to the blogexcept… Dumb Mindless Chatter !

Awful game, Bet we finish in bottom 3 of the NHL. A move is all but assured now.

Cliff Fletcher

February 4th, 2011
12:42 pm

Cornbread///

me too but I think some good people on this blog are losing their perspective. The season isn’t over yet, maybe we can swing a deal, get some kids up fron Chicago to get things going. just don’t want everyone looking like Egyptian protesters.

Russian

February 4th, 2011
12:50 pm

Mason ready to play. He is out of IR. Good news. :-)

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
12:51 pm

CF – easy to get defensive when guys like LAC and Sage are always lobbing malatoff cocktails at the loyal, passionate fans who are expressing their POV on a FAN BLOG. This is where fans come to talk hockey and express their feelings about their team and they get crapped on by trolls who think they are the ones who are supposed to regulate behavior and conduct vis a vis the franchise or the blog.

Jason

February 4th, 2011
12:51 pm

Meanwhile, I think the worst decisions from last night (other than Bogosian still getting on the ice at any point in that game) were the decisions to make “Boom!” by P.O.D. the new goal song for EVERY goal apparently and “Song 2″ has been dropped altogether. But it’s just typical ASG organizational style – compound one bad decision (no more “Zombie Nation”) by making another one.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
12:51 pm

Russian – now we need Jimmy to get through the next couple of days without a damn headache! Son of a gun we need him back!

World Be Free

February 4th, 2011
12:54 pm

All quiet on the trade rumor front today, nothing new to chew on. I am on the fence about trading for Hemsky, good hands but not very big and coming off a recent concussion. Concussions seem to come in pairs; not sure the boys will give Dudley the $$$ to make that deal anyhow. Now Penner, that’s another matter (aside from dollars). Bring in the big guy.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
1:05 pm

WBF – I’d prefer Penner over Hemsky despite his obvious talent and skill. The concussion issue would scare me away especially in light of the fact that he’s a finesse player who needs mental accuity to be at his optimal level of play. Think we need to go after Samuelsson hard if VAN’s GM is even toying with the idea of off-loading some salary. Bergy and Kulda for MS and their 2nd rd pick, or a 3rd. Then flip our 3rd and a prospect for someone else’s 2nd rounder to fill that hole.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
1:11 pm

From the Edmonton Sun:

“Terry Jones suggests Dustin Penner would probably bring a healthier return to the Oilers if traded than Ales Hemsky. Both have one year remaining on their respective contracts and if they decide to test next summer’s UFA market Jones believes both should be shopped now as they’re not needed for a playoff push. Jones also noted the danger of shopping them for draft picks and prospects particularly if the return fails to develop as hoped”

Get ‘er done Duds! Bergy & Kulda for Penner & a 3rd!

World Be Free

February 4th, 2011
1:14 pm

Smoothie-Penner for sure, especially since the East is more physical in general than the West. You know I like bigger players anyhow. Make the deal.

Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
1:15 pm

R S I agree about hitting the net. I yelled, “HIT THE **** NET” when Bogo missed that one. But the real problem started well before that when Oduya made an ill advised cross ice pass to Byfuglien. That puck had to go deep. Enstrom would never have made that play. I yelled even louder on that one as it ruined all the momentum they had going and allowed for a Calgary change.

As far as who was on the ice, who are you going to put out there? Oduya just changed and Buff was out there for 2 minutes plus. Antro, Kane, Little, and Ladd all came off with a minute to go after playing for a solid minute. Bergfors was in the doghouse and only saw one shift after giving up the game winner. Cormier, Stewart, Peverly and Modin were out there. I would have liked to have seen Thorburn in place of Cormier but who does that leave to take Modin’s spot? He was the best option of a big body goal scorer and that he gave it up with 6 seconds left hardly mattered at that point.

Maybe a stoppage with 30-45 seconds to go would have been different but again Oduya kind of blew any chance of that when he made the bad pass that was knocked out of the zone. Instead, desperation ensued.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
1:21 pm

“when Oduya made an ill advised cross ice pass to Byfuglien”

Wasn’t that Buffy trying to feed Kane on a cross-ice feed or was that the ill-fated PP? I may be getting them mixed-up. But yes, point stands, get the damn thing deep and grind it out. I would like to see Stewy storm the cage from the corner when he gets it and then have 2 or 3 more bodies there for a putback. Did Rammer still have his time-out? Then again, you need an actual stoppage of play to use it.

Brendan

February 4th, 2011
1:21 pm

WBF, looks like a deal with Calgary is off the table. As for Hemsky, I think we’d be okay with him. As always, what concerns me is the return. I’m not interested in being fleeced out of coveted draft picks or decent prospects. Penner is overpaid, but in Atlanta, you have to overpay players until the market is a desireable one with committed ownership.

Re: Craig Ramsay … look … I had concerns about how ’soft-spoken’ he was. He’s very calm and relaxed. He likes to use the word “wonderful” with a bit of frequency. Whereas, with John Tortorella, he’s gonna go Alpha Sierra on your a$$. Same with a Keenan type. A Sutter brother would take a player to task, etc. But with that said, Ramsay … I think … is a decent coach. Look what he had to work with?? This team should have come out of the gate in 29th place and stayed there all year. He’s done a better job than anyone else could have. Now, with that said, he’s pushed flush up against the need to get more from his players and/or to devise a new strategy for them, because winning just four out of that last nineteen (4/19) isn’t going to keep the team on pace for a playoff spot. And let’s not forget, the “miracle” win over the Panthers is part of the four wins. I can’t tell you that Ramsay is flawless or blameless in any of this. But to fire him or demote him with a 29th-place payroll while it’s sitting in playoff position seems like a bit of lunacy to me. I hear ya. Four wins in 19 games. We can’t afford to give him a 3-5 game “evaluation” period before making a move. I understand your position, you Ramsay detractors. But what magical Coaching Wizard can be summoned from the Emerald Forest to fix this? I honestly don’t see the Thrashers making a Coaching change this season. What about turning it all over to Torchetti? I don’t know. I guess, if there’s utter collapse, that’s the next logical move. This organization tries to avoid paying two people to do the same job, in terms of a Coach or a General Manager. When Hartley was fired, he had a few years still left on his contract. Truth be told, he was just six games into his “new” contract. The result? Waddell had to assumme coaching duties in 2008, rather than hire a new coach, adding salary to the payroll.

World Be Free

February 4th, 2011
1:23 pm

Wish we could have signed Samuelsson when he was available from Detroit.

Brendan

February 4th, 2011
1:24 pm

Attention Sabre fans: This should interest you! http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-thrashers-blog/2011/02/03/late-mistake-proves-costly-for-thrashers/?cp=2#comment-24656

Here’s the link to the story. Larry Quinn, the only man in hockey operations without a functioning brain, will be removed from the Buffalo Sabres upon transition to the new ownership. Gosh, imagine if we could substitute the name Larry Quin for Don Waddell and Buffalo Sabres for Atlanta Thrashers.

Here’s your link: http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/story/14640853/sabres-owner-rejected-sale-offer-involving-relocation

World Be Free

February 4th, 2011
1:29 pm

Brendan, a friend of mine went to high school with Larry Quinn. Everyone wonders how this idiot ever got as far as he did. He is the dumbest human being in hockey, makes everyone look alot smarter!

Also on relocation of the sabres-I doubt it would really ever happen. Thuis is too good a hockey market to lose an NHL team.

glovesave29

February 4th, 2011
1:35 pm

I maintain Rammer is a fine coach. He’s being asked to run a team into the playoffs that has no business being there. He is doing the best with what has been given to him. Ya want a return to the Anderson system…no flexibility, and let the team fall out of the hunt by November because he was so rigid? Anyone can give an example of an expensive team failing or a miserly team succeeding, but by and large, you get out what you put in.

The defense passes D to D because the enemy of the forecheck is momentum. It is a players job to use that against his opponent. Let the forechecker take himself out of the play when the player being attacked changes direction or passes it off.

Kipper was off last night. Look at his pad saves…never fully kicked out or butterflied. To me, that says he was tight. And his side to side was off, so he’d undercommit to everything. Because of that Zach sent the shot wide with 30 or so seconds, it was the right play. He’s had a horrible season, but I am not pinning that one on him. The center should have been in tight for a deflection (which are far more successful than 60 foot slappers) and the weak side wing should have been at the half wall for the rebound. The extra skater should have been screening Kipper.

It’s time to pull the trigger and get an infusion in here…but is Duds being told not to? My guess is yes…

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
1:51 pm

Tough to redirect a puck that is 3 feet wide and high above the waist.

Bogosian would have been better served to flip in a hard wrister towards the far post where there should’ve been someone waiting for the deflection. I’d have to watch it again, but when there’s a mad scramble in front, you’re better off getting it in the pile (see Little’s 3-wood shot against FLA in the come-from-behind win).

R. Stroz

February 4th, 2011
1:52 pm

Cornbread – I would have never said this last year; however, I’d rather have seen Hainsey on the point instead of Bogosian. Hainsey’s shot wouldn’t have the same velocity, but Hainsey understands that the puck HAD to be on net in order to keep the puck from rimming out the other side.

Red Light

February 4th, 2011
1:54 pm

We have a vocabulary word assignment: acuity. Very nice Smoothie.

“Think about this, the Thrashers have 5 players who are in their 30’s – Antropov, Modin, Boulton, Sopel, and Mason. How many of them are impacting the younger players and team production while playing together on the ice?”

A salient point, but all have contributed in some regard this year, particularly Sopel. But, take a look at who the Flames threw out on the ice last night with their under-30 crowd…

Iginla, Morrison, Sarich, Olli Jokinen, Tanguay, Kiprusoff, Staois and Regehr. Only Sarich has won the Cup and for the others the hunger remains.

Listen to what Morrison said last night:
“I think when you are a young player, if you don’t win that particular season, you always figure there is going to be next year. But, as the years go by, you quickly find out how difficult it is to win, and how much you appreciate making the playoffs. At this stage of my career, all I care about is playing in the playoffs. You obviously have to go through the regular season to get there, but at the end of the day to me, everything comes down to playing in the postseason. We’re moving in the right direction.

Winning the Cup is the ultimate goal of every hockey player, to win your last game of the season. I have never been in a position to do that, a lot of guys don’t get a chance, but you always hold out hope that one day you might have a chance.

When you go through a tough time, it shows character of individuals and of a team. Guys in here didn’t deviate from the plan. It was frustrating and we were as embarrassed as anybody going through stretches where we weren’t winning games. I think that tough time has made us appreciate this roll that we are on now a lot more.”

By the way, Morrison has never lost a game as a player in Philips Arena during his career. He’s 8-0 in Atlanta!

In case you forgot, he was released from training camp by the Vancouver Canucks on Oct. 3 and signed with the Flames as a UFA on Oct. 4. The cost? $725,000 for a guy who had 12 goals and 30 assists last year in Washington and has 9 goals and 20 assists so far this season. Modin cost $800k plus $400k in potential bonuses.

glovesave29

February 4th, 2011
1:56 pm

Smoothie, if the goalie sees you wristing it instead of a slapper from that far out, he’s gonna come out and attack it above the crease and deflect it up into the stands.

glovesave29

February 4th, 2011
1:58 pm

RL – I always think about Dan Marino when thinking about younger players in any sport. He said something very similar after going to the SB and losing in his sophomore season. He figured he be back many time…and wasn’t.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
2:00 pm

Uh, he had 5 guys in front of him at the top of the crease. Good luck getting to it before it hits someone. In normal circumstances, yes, but and end of game situation is not a normal circumstance. Stroz is right, Hainsey should have been in there.

R/L – thanks, too bad I spelled it wrong!! :cool:

glovesave29

February 4th, 2011
2:05 pm

Agree it should have been Hainsey…but trust me on this one. As a goalie of 36 years, you find a way to get around them – just like you figure out a way to SEE around them to make the save.

ZAvalanche

February 4th, 2011
2:05 pm

@Smoothie I coached youngsters for a while and I can explain the left wing lock. It isn’t hard at all to do, just takes some focus by the 2 D and LW. So what happens, or supposed to happen, is that when the puck gets turned over the LW goes back and acts as a 3rd D while the other two O men forecheck really hard. I has worked for a few teams pretty well, but they had LWs that were defensive minded, big and fast. I know that the neutral zone trap is a version of this – which NJ did very will with in the 90’s, Detroit and Dallas and perhaps Philly also used the LW lock. With the rule changes is it less effective . Look at NJ, they still try and play the neutral zone trap and they haven’t adapted to the new rules, which were meant to avoid that type of play, and they are way sucking. It is a speed league now, which I really enjoy – I hated the Devils’ style of play. What Thrashy needs is a lock-down D man. Somebody who can hit and is willing to go down into the boards and grind out their forwards. Also, I don’t see that many games for the thrash, but the ones I have seen the forwards suck at D and NEVER lay down in front of a shot, hence, 29th in the league in SOG (could be wrong on that, too lazy to look it up but I think that is what I saw yesterday and posted about).

ZAvalanche

February 4th, 2011
2:10 pm

Glovesave, as a goalie, you obviously know the benefit that you get when a forward or D will take away the bottom for you, I don’t see the thrashers going down EVER. I have played both D and O and I went down (obviously didn’t take as hard a shot as they serve up in NHL) and yeah it hurt, but winning matters to me.

ZAvalanche

February 4th, 2011
2:13 pm

Oh, and Smoothie, the whole design is to take away the dump-and-chase by putting more bodies in the corner zones while the C and RW chase the point. Sorry to have left that out.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
2:15 pm

ZAv – thanks buddy! I thought it might be a bit more complex than that but I guess I should know better. Hockey is never THAT complex in its essences when its played properly. Guess Kaner forgot he was supposed to be that guy last nite which almost cost us a goal in the 1st period, as astutely pointed out by Darren Eliot.

glove – I understand what you’re trying to say, but I see good teams do it all the time. Lidstrom is a master of this and teams like DET, VAN, BOS (Chara), consistently use deft wristers with traffic in front. Toby even has scored a couple of times on PP that way. At the very least, Bogey should possess enough mental ACUITY to know that a hard wrister or a short-windup slap pass type of shot would do. Of course, if he was astute enough to see no one was in position and was shooting for top corner…’cha right! I can’t even type that without laughing. All of our blueliners need to work on doing something that doesnt’ require a time-sucking big windup from the point when pressure is on.

Joe McGrath

February 4th, 2011
2:19 pm

To get under the 50 players-under-contract limit, allowing the Chicago trade to go through, Duds dealt Mike Vernace and Brett Sterling and a seventh-round pick to San Jose for future considerations. Johnathan Cheechoo is sitting in Worcester. I don’t know what his story is other than he was traded to Sens in Heatly deal, fell out of grace with Sens, was sent down and then had his contract cut. He tried out in Dallas this year and although he didn’t make the squad, Crawford had good things to say about him. Then SJ signs him and sends him to Worcester. Seems like the dude’s gotten a bad rap. Could Duds pressure SJ to give us his rights and could we sign him on-the-cheap? Could he come back to form under a new system and organization that gave him a second chance? Would it be worth a try? I mean, if he didn’t work out, send him to the WOlves, right? In every interview I see with Stewart he talks about how great it is to play for someone who gave him another chance, another shot. Could Cheechoo be another Stewart?

Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
2:24 pm

Smoothie I do not agree that they are passing D to D out of too much caution or lack of confidence. One of the main reasons they go D to D is to break the trap and get it to the weak side of the ice. I agree that it has to be quick and accurate and for the most part it has been. As far as the D skating with it goes, whenever you hear guys yelling “WHEEL!” that is what they want them to do. I really like that the Thrashers do this as good as anybody. All of them can skate with the puck. Even Sopel will turn it up ice.

The Left Wing Lock is basically a type of trap. It is usually a 2-3 or 1-1-3 system starting at the opposing blue line when the other team gains clear possession. It takes a high winger to be in place – usually the third man in so it does not have to be a “left wing”. The third man goes to the weak side of the blue line in a line with the two D-men. The two other forwards try to pressure the puck carrier to skate up or pass it to the strong side. They are basically corralling the opposing team to one side of the ice. When the play does get in the neutral zone the two D-men who are both on the strong side can try and make a play to force a turnover because they have support from the “Left Wing” and hopefully even side pressure from another wing. The Thrashers did this surprisingly well on several occasions last night.

See why the Thrashers like to go D to D and get the puck to the side the winger is on? They are reading the play.

The irony is that a lot of teams will do this against Atlanta because they skate the puck so well out of their zone with speed from all guys including the D. That is why you see the Thrashers gain the red line and dump it in. Pittsburgh does this and so does Philly. When they don’t the play usually stays from the red line back into their end. It’s the same if all 3 forwards are too low; it allows for an easy break-out. When they are doing that they aren’t playing Ramsay’s system.

The Islanders on the other hand played a heavy 2 and 3 man forecheck which is what the Thrashers typically do. When you have teams that can skate, pass, and play their system you open up the neutral zone to them if you don’t break up their break-out. It causes the D to back out and engage the puck carriers late who by then have speed and can skate it in as opposed to dumping it in. This again is one of the reasons the Thrashers shots against are so high. It is fine to heavily check against a team like Tampa because they are big and slow in their end but first you have to get it in deep through their horrid 1-3-1. Against really good skating teams, on the other hand, you can get in big trouble if that third man is not high and supporting the D in the neutral zone.

I have a feeling that one of the reasons they have not been scoring is because they have been focusing on D. That may sound crazy but I don’t think they have been clicking on it yet, especially when they don’t get the puck in deep or when that third man gets too low or a forward does not support a pinching D-man or bother to get back at all. Last night was one of the few times this year that aspect of their game looked good. Start getting the puck back in the neutral zone and you go on the offense more and keep the other team from playing in your end.

Zombie Steve

February 4th, 2011
2:27 pm

Those of you who are walking out on the Thrashers- don’t let the door hit you on the way out. They need real fans backing them up, not SOB’s.

Zombie Steve

February 4th, 2011
2:29 pm

Joe – word around the campfire is that Cheechoo is a head case.

ZAvalanche

February 4th, 2011
2:34 pm

Joe – Cheechoo isn’t a bad idea he played quite well against the Avs for several seasons.

Lol @ Smoothie, I guess you learned your spelling lesson! And I agree with you, hockey isn’t much of a “designed”, if you will, sport. It is mostly about the chemistry of the players. When they click they will shut you down and Thrashy isn’t playing as a team at all.

And as far as the wrister conversation goes, there have been many players who have made amazing careers without using the slapper – Yzerman, Sakic, Forsberg, for example. But the thing is, as you all know, the wrister has less speed (generally) than a slap or snap shot but the release time and increased accuracy is what gets Glovesave (sorry, just witless banter there Glove). The slapper is based on speed and reaction time. This is where putting bodies in front of the keeper comes in, if the goalie can’t see and anticipate the slapper it gets ugly. My favorite move is to break in, fake a slapper, make the goalie go down, and move to the other side – works quite well but I don’t play against NHL caliber goalies :)

Tom

February 4th, 2011
2:38 pm

Imagine if the Thrashers spent their money. The replacements would be 2 Top 6 forwards @ 4 mm each and 1 Top 2 Defenseman at 5 mm. That would get everyone back playing their proper positions.

The Thrasher’s have aways been low on payroll expecting players to play beyond their ability. You can do that in spurts but not consistently. If you question this logic, look at the players that used to be on Kovy’s line. When he went to the Devils this is what he was talking about by a professional organization.

Let’s say the Greek Gods stayed as the 4th line. That would leave us with our 2 picked up forwards and 7 of the remaining teammates. Now Ladd would be a good second line guy without having to be “the scorer”. When Pevs and Bergy started with their brain farts they would sit. Very quickly.

A Stewart would be a 3rd liner with a very specific role instead of everyone expecting him to finish. He is a good energy guy but he is not a top line scorer. Remember Donovan from years ago, same kind of player. Can create but not finish…

A Cormier and Burmistrov can come in and out of a line up while they gain expertise in the NHL game. A Modin is NOT NEEDED… Neither is a Stapleton. If we see them it is for 2 or 3 games a season up from the minors when the injuries get real bad.

And when a downturn happens you can mix players in positions that they can succeed in. Right now we are putting guys in positions they are almost guaranteed to fail.

The Thrasher’s problems are not from management or coaching anymore, they are directly from ownership and their lack of understanding of how the NHL works. When we were winning we were drawing 16,000 people. When we lose, it is 11,000. Win consistently and that goes up to 17,000 and 18,000 as people get excited.

And then you are profitable,

But right now ownership wants us to the be the Kansas City Royals of the NHL.

And that sucks…

Joe Friday

February 4th, 2011
3:00 pm

“Because of that Zach sent the shot wide with 30 or so seconds, it was the right play.”

You could not have typed that with a straight face, surely you jest . . . the ONLY play there is to put the puck on net and try to get a rebound as you crash the net especially with the extra man. Boneheaded play from a bonehead . . .the boy just doesn’t have many hockey smarts. You can’t teach stupid.

glovesave29

February 4th, 2011
3:06 pm

ZA – everyone you named is a forward. The wrist shot from 60 feet out isn’t going to fool anyone. From the top of the circles in, wristers will always be superior.

That fake isnt going to work at the higher levels as for one, you rarely are going to get that sort of time, and two – you change the angle on your hips and the grip when you have to slap the puck, and three – we butterfly so that we don’t have to over commit and can recover easily should we buy the fake. We look for those kinds of things.

glovesave29

February 4th, 2011
3:08 pm

JF – if it is on goal from that angle you don’t move the goalie, he can square up and the deflection will likely him him. You beat an NHLer by getting him to move side to side. If the shot is wide to his right, he will move as such and leave him open to his left as he cannot recover. Again – its using momentum against him.

Rawhide

February 4th, 2011
3:13 pm

C-Viv is reporting that a defenseman from Chicago is being called up. No word on just who thought…hopefully Kulda.

Regarding the Z-Bo shot in the last minute of play….taking the shot was the right thing to do, but you have to get it on net. Even if you take something off of it to ensure you don’t swing wildly. The second I saw the puck go wide right I knew it was destined to loop around and out of the zone.

Add to that the fact that Freddy Modin was the one having to chase it from behind our empty net, and….well…

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
3:19 pm

glove – you’re talking about a play that occurs in a vacuum. There were many bodies in front (we had at least 3 guys moving towards the net) and the puck needs to find those bodies unless you know you’ve got a guy driving the weak side post. And who’s deflecting a 95 mph slapper that is coming at their head!?

Joe Friday

February 4th, 2011
3:20 pm

glovesave, come on, man. Only pay is to put it on net, missing the net is death there, that’s a hockey 101 play (which is why Zack didn’t do it, the boy ain’t bright)

ZAvalanche

February 4th, 2011
3:21 pm

Glove, I am just saying that there are players that can shoot off either foot and that can be deceptive. I know it doesn’t work as well at higher levels, but I don’t play at those levels so I stick with what works :) . And yes, all of those guys are forwards, but they have all played point at some time and a well placed, quick wrister from the point to the stick side or low on the pads can create rebounds.

I think we can both agree that any shot on goal has potential and there are different ways to achieve potential. You can’t tell me that Sakic’s or Kariya’s wristers would give you some concern. Case in point (and I know this is very rare): Kariya’s goal against Brodeur in the finals right after he got ROLLED by Stevens was a wrister from way out and it burned one of the best keepers in the league.

And hey, it sounds like you have played a lot, and am by no means disrespecting you, I am just curious how high a level you have played at. Don’t take that the wrong way, just curious. Me, I am just a bush league player of 12 years, still have a lot to learn. Gotta admit though that you love it when a player drops and takes the bottom away for you.

Joe Friday

February 4th, 2011
3:21 pm

but to me, it’s just Zack making another boneheaded play, the real problem is the coach that put him out there in that situation . . .

R. Stroz

February 4th, 2011
3:23 pm

The ASG is in a vacuum, because they suck.

glovesave29

February 4th, 2011
3:23 pm

Not really smoothie – sure, of course its easier with a clear line of site…but goalies know the flow of the play and who is where. We also know if we come out to play it and are interfered with, any goal would be waived off even if outside the crease (but not behind the goal line).

glovesave29

February 4th, 2011
3:25 pm

JF – I will definately give you that one. Based on his play this season, he should not have been out there. In fact, I have him down in Chicago logging 25 minutes of ice time per game and trying to get his head straight.

Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
3:27 pm

R S I don’t have a problem with Hainsey out there. But the thing is that he has not been all year nor has he been on the PP. His role has changed. Bogosian on the other hand has been out there in those situations. The other thing is Bogo is a right handed shot playing on the right side. Granted so was Buff who was out there too but I think all that played into Ramsay’s, or more likely, Torchetti’s mind. If any D man was going to be set-up for the one timer it would be Buff who was on the left.

The Thrashers have 3 right handed D-men which is a rarity. I guess they’re going to use them.

ZAvalanche

February 4th, 2011
3:28 pm

Glove – just a point here, but also very rare, Brett Hull made a career slapping from the circles. Not discounting anything you said as your probabilities are absolutely correct. He was BRUTAL from the circle with slappers, but he is the exception and had tremendous accuracy. And a quick edit, i meant “wouldn’t” in the second paragraph of my last post.

Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
3:30 pm

I wonder if Bogo has a big heel curve? He pulls a lot of shots.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
3:31 pm

“We also know if we come out to play it and are interfered with, any goal would be waived off even if outside the crease (but not behind the goal line)”

Okay, you got me. All goalies are omniscient and the forwards have no right to the white ice in front of the blue crease. What the hell was I thinking? Nevermind.

Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
3:35 pm

Z S – Hear, Hear!

Red Light

February 4th, 2011
3:35 pm

Trade for Penguins goalie Brent Johnson, who sent DiPietro to the DL again, this time for 4-6 weeks when he dropped him with that punch the other night. If you want to play old-time hockey, you need a goalie that can mix it up!

LOL

ZAvalanche

February 4th, 2011
3:38 pm

Corn, most D have a fairly flat stick that is more square on the end. Not sure what Bogo uses or why he is pulling it.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
3:40 pm

According to Mike Davies twitter (he’s a forward on the Wolves), Kulda is getting the call-up. Perhaps Mike can let us know who’s getting dealt by Duds as well! ;-)

glovesave29

February 4th, 2011
3:40 pm

ZA – I got to scrimmage against Brett Hull once. I made a glove save (!) and it about ripped my arm of. It was like the puck weighed 15 lbs.

Smoothie – its the same theory as rookies never getting the call like a vet does. Of course the rule book doesn’t state that as I said it – but I promise you, the refs will give a goalie the benefit of the doubt everyday.

Joe Friday

February 4th, 2011
3:42 pm

Driving time to and from the game > 3 hours 15 minutes
Tickets, parking, beer and food > $219.00
Watching Zack Bogosian sling the puck wildly off net with game on line > Priceless

Atlanta Thrashers, don’t leave home without taking Don Waddell with you . . .

ZAvalanche

February 4th, 2011
3:50 pm

Glovesave – yeah, he was a BRUTE! That is so way flipping (would usually use a different word but Trixie would ban me) cool! Closest I ever came to playing with pros is in an A league against CHL players = I got worked, but it was fun.

Kulda is going to be good I think, just needs a lot of ice time. So thanks for the update Smoothie.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
3:53 pm

http://video.thrashers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hlg=20102011,2,681&event=FLA691&fr=false

Little wrister, traffic, Vokoun at top of paint…SCORE.

You were saying glovesave??

ZAvalanche

February 4th, 2011
3:54 pm

@ Smoothie – You got my back!

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
3:55 pm

Z – actually, it was a guy on twitter who supposedly knows Mike Davies, but I don’t have any reason not to believe him at this point. Either that or Davies deleted the tweet soon after posting it.

Red Light

February 4th, 2011
3:57 pm

585 out of the 887 blocked shots recorded by the Thrashers this season have been by the eight defensemen (Meyer and Welch added) who have appeared in a game. Not so surprisingly, among the forwards Chris Thorburn (48, which is more than Byfuglien’s 44), Ladd and Peverley are the only forwards with more than 30 for the season.

However, you might be surprised to know that at this point in the season, there are only two teams that have four forwards with 30 or more blocked shots — the Flyers and the Rangers.

ZAvalanche

February 4th, 2011
3:58 pm

I just have to say; even though Thrashy is my 2nd favorite team, this forum is way better than the Avs forums, which is odd as we are an established hockey market. What the heck? Keep on keeping on Thrasher nation.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
3:59 pm

Sorry, forgot that was Clemmensen. The point is the screener at the top of the paint if not in the crease has every right to that space as the goalie and he got there first. I’d have to watch the replay of the Bogey gaffe but I can’t imagine we didn’t have at least 2 guys parked somewhat close to the top of the paint.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
4:02 pm

“585 out of the 887 blocked shots recorded by the Thrashers this season have been by the eight defensemen”

And 444 of those 585 BS have been by Oduya, Hainsey, Sopel and Enstrom. Buff and Bogey avg just 52 as a tandem as Bogey only has 60. Probably because he likes the old “flamingo” leg block and the half-committed one-knee slide that screens the goalie.

Joe Friday

February 4th, 2011
4:03 pm

Knock Knock.
Who’s there?
Zack Bogosian?
Zack Bogosian, who?
Exactly.

Cliff Fletcher

February 4th, 2011
4:04 pm

hope Kulda gets a long look and alot of ice time here. he deserves it.

Hoof Arted

February 4th, 2011
4:36 pm

Sorry it took a bump on the noggin by Meyer to get Kulda up here, but I like it.

Now if only Toby can get that finger healed and return so that Zach “Wide Right” Bogosian can get his butt back up in the press box.

Joe McGrath

February 4th, 2011
4:39 pm

Smoothie, you just made me choke on my Coke. Oh, and when he goes on the one knee, he’s sliding away from the path of the shot.

Tom Lysiak

February 4th, 2011
4:39 pm

Glad to hear they are supposedly bringing up Kulda. This team needs a spark (defibrillator). It isn’t too late, but it will be soon. I wish they would also bring up Postma. Move Buff to forward. Sit Modin down. Use Buff and ice-time incentive for others to generate some much needed goals.

All the while Duds is working the phone for his wish list. Fill in those gaps and get that swagger back. We were playing over our heads for a while, but damn it was fun.

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
4:47 pm

“I wish they would also bring up Postma. Move Buff to forward. Sit Modin down. Use Buff and ice-time incentive for others to generate some much needed goals.”

TL – for realz yo, as if it could get much worse than the following:

6-10-4 over the last 20 games with a -29 goal differential, a SOG disparity of nearly -6 per game, a shot % of 7.4% and only 44 goals scored in 20 games. Yeah, a temporary move of Big Buff to forward might not be a bad thing at all. We need to get him on the scoresheet as he is now scoreless in the last 12!! Whaaat?

Smoothie

February 4th, 2011
4:48 pm

JoeM – I do what I can. :)

Tom Lysiak

February 4th, 2011
5:01 pm

Smoothie – Gotta try something. Waiting on that elusive deal that may or may not materialize is “death”, sorry Rammer. I know Buff may want to play defense, but I’ll bet he wants to score goals and win a little more right now.

Hockey Biltong

February 4th, 2011
5:22 pm

Hang in there folks. Plenty of good hockey left, plus an awesome trade.

Hockey Biltong

February 4th, 2011
5:26 pm

The team will gut it out! Rammer will prevail!

Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
6:24 pm

Smoothie and JM that is not a fair assessment of Bogosian and his shot blocking. That he is willing to do it, is fifth on the team at it, and has 16 more than Big Buff in 11 fewer games should be enough. He also is only 8th on the team in PK minutes where much of the shot blocking occurs.

Last night his skating out to the face-off dot and dropping to one knee to block a point blank wide open slap shot was nothing less than courageous. He did not slide the wrong way nor did he screen the goalie. He took away the center to far side of the net like he was supposed to do. You don’t slide or lead head first unless you want it taken off.

Like I said earlier, Pavs was out of position. No way can he give up that much net short side. Why Stapleton was down on the ice at the half wall I don’t know unless he thought he could get a bobbled puck. Modin was left to cover one wide open point and Bogosian raced out to try and stop the shot from a point to point pass.

You want to blame someone blame the forwards or Pavs at the end of a 4 minute PK. It was hardly Bogos fault.

Cornbread

February 4th, 2011
7:19 pm

ZA The square toe D-men usually like is for digging pucks out of the corner and off the wall. Forwards prefer round toes for stick handling and toe drags. But, that would not cause him to pull shots. Too stiff of a stick could also cause it but I highly doubt that is the case as he is strong as an ox. The heel curve of course starts at the heel and mid-heel a little further out. I don’t think these are ideal slap shot curves for D-men because, like a toe-in golf club, it causes the puck to go left – or straight for bad slicers. Wristers and snap shots are a different matter as the release is different. I like a mid-curve because it’s straighter from the heel to mid point of the blade which is the contact spot for slap shots. I don’t see many toe-curves out there but I’m sure some D-men have some custom blades like this.

Then again, he may just not be that accurate. Or worse, thought he could hit the upper left corner of the net. I did notice that he recently switched from a Bauer to a Combat stick so maybe that had something to do with it. Either way you’d think the equipment guys would work with him on it.

LAC

February 4th, 2011
7:53 pm

Sage, No truer comment have ever been made here than yours of today. OUTSTANDING, The REAL hockey fans do deserve better than these lying idiots, I am so sick of them. Just like in KC, with Mr.Walmart Cheapo, david glass in control, trying to win in pro sports with a Walmart price, DOES NOT WORK… Period. Heck they had to trade their top pitcher this winter because of their cheapness. Just like here, another example of people who have NO DAMN Business owning a professional sports team and then showing everyone how cheap and STUPID they are, not to mention LIARS, here in town.

Saturday game will offically elimanate the Thrashers from playoff contention once and for all.
They are DONE, Toast or whatever. But my biggest question is this…
Where in the world is Gary Bettman ???? Does he want lying owners to continue to own this team ?
Does the NHL have ANY Standards for owners ??? I kinda believe Bettman does not want the Thrashers to stay here… It is very very ODD to say the least !

Come on Bettman use your POWER to strip these owners of control and save NHL hockey in Atlanta !

Tom Lysiak

February 4th, 2011
9:00 pm

Yep, those were some really OUTSTANDING comments made by your hero “Sage”. Let’s take a look at one particular paragraph.

“Please stop subsidizing this embarrassing incompetence. This is the ONLY way to get the league office involved. Deny all you want–but several games of 1,000 (opponent-team’s fans) people in the stands WILL have the desired effect…of something…of anything…”

Once again trolling for his sheep to join him in boycotting the team. He boldly predicts after several games with nobody attending, the league will get involved. He is begging for the league to get involved. But then, the real beauty of his “plan” is uncovered for all his sheep to foam at the mouth over. The desired effect of the league stepping in will be…..drum roll please……”..something….. anything.”

Now that is a sound plan. “Something, anything” could run the gamut from the league doing nothing since (unfortunately) lying is not a reason to seize a franchise, all the way to even causing a sale which could take the team out of the city.

There was another Mensa candidate who would welcome a sale and move, because “at least Waddell would be out of a job”. Seriously? It should soothe the wounds of no more NHL games here just knowing that Waddell got his?

There is no guarantee that the league will keep the team here since each situation is different. You want to get behind an arrogant ax-grinder whose plan is so cavalier that he is willing to gamble on the team being sold to the highest bidder and moved, go ahead. The ASG will probably appreciate it.

thrasherdawg

February 4th, 2011
9:47 pm

Zombie Steve…13,000 investors at $10,000.00 each and we can just buy the team. Many of which could/would buy season tickets…thus investing in your own investment so that your roi (return on investment) is practically guaranteed. Unlike ASG, the new ownership will move forward by obtaining the 3 or 4 stars that the team needs to be a stanley cup contender. Comments are welcomed.

LAC

February 4th, 2011
10:34 pm

Boy smoothie & tom are at the top of their Lame Game for sure. Get you collective heads out of the sand and see what the problems are for once !

Thrashers

February 5th, 2011
8:15 am

We are in 8th dammit!!!!

Cliff Fletcher

February 5th, 2011
9:47 am

great game in Vancouver last night, chicago got robbed on the goal not counted as a goal in the first period. hawks are making a run, strange to see them in the position they are at this stage in the season. Ray Ferrero does a nice job on TSN as color man. TSN’s hockey staff is actually better overall than Hockey Night in Canada, ever since HNIC got into their ra-ra / nationalistic mode a few years back. Foster Hewitt must be spinning in his grave.

Tom//
thanks for pointing out the issues with our rogue blogger. everyone knows where the problems are with this franchise, the issues are so obvious that even an auditor can see them. The name calling and demeaning nature of this blogger is the real issue. sorry that I got into the same mode earlier this week too, should not have let myself fall into the same gutter.

Get The Puck Out

February 5th, 2011
9:48 am

We’ll either be in 8th or 9th after tonight, dammit!!!

Thrashers

February 5th, 2011
10:03 am

We are like the mutants at table 9, we have nothing to offer the opposite sex.

Nate

February 5th, 2011
11:16 am

Tonight is a must-win. There just aren’t many games left on the season. Mark it down if the Thrashers lose tonight they will not sniff a playoff spot the rest of the way.

LAC

February 5th, 2011
11:16 am

No cliff, I am a constant blogger, so get real for a change and explain how this team will make the playoffs ? Give it up !

Red Light

February 5th, 2011
11:20 am

Is it possible to simply discuss hockey?

Few of us like the current ownership and management situation. Some of us like to watch the sport live and don’t care where the money spent winds up. Some don’t want to subsidize the incompetence. OK, we get it.

Some think this team can make the playoffs, while some don’t.

Some offer excellent insight and other ways to think about what we have seen or will see both on and off the ice. Some provide ideas about trades, trade partners etc. At the very least, it’s hockey talk, which makes us all happy. If we stick to that vein, then we don’t have to have the back-and-forth and insults tossed around.

We’re not going to agree on every subject and that what makes it so entertaining, but I think it might be long overdue that we approach this forum as grown men and women.

Thrashers All Time at Carolina…13-14-4
Thrashers 3-1-1 in their last 5 at RBC Center

Falling to 9th with the Canes having two games in hand isn’t devastating because the teams play here next Sunday. But lose today and in Toronto Monday, the Thrashers could be looking at a steep hill in front of them for awhile!

Joe Friday

February 5th, 2011
11:31 am

I’m thinking tonight is the night to get on a roll. I would think the boys look at this as a huge game. Unfortunately, I think it’s going to take Pavs standing on his to steal us a regulation win. I sure would like to see Boulton back in there tonight and Modin sat.

Pens did us a nice favor to comeback against Buffalo after falling back 2-0, good gritty effort after Malkin goes out. Blysma is a heck of a coach.

Red Light

February 5th, 2011
11:41 am

Actually, Thrashers All Time at Carolina is now 13-14-5 after January game.

Penguins have won 5 straight now and are just one point behind the Flyers without Crosby and mostly without Malkin. Imagine calling guys up from the A and having them perform at the NHL level. What a concept?

Dustin Jeffrey: 4 goals, 2 assists and +7 in 10 games.

Smoothie

February 5th, 2011
12:54 pm

Well said Red Light!

Dustin Jeffrey and Mark Letestu have been impressive and Bylsma may be the best coach in the league. Its astounding to me they’ve been this consistent without the guy who scored in 24 straight and seemingly figured in every one of those 24 outcomes. Philly confounds me but they may simply going thru the motions although the do have an aging few D-men who may be showing some wear?

Winning tonite would be huge for obvious reasons, but beyond this game and TOR, in which we really could use 3 of 4 pts, the Thrashers need to figure out a way to win at home. Only 13 home games remain so the pressure to win 9 or 10 is getting high. They’re slightly above .500 on road so let’s figure they go 7-6-2 in the 15 road games for 16 out of 30 potential pts. That would mean they need to procure 20 of 26 points at home to get the requisite 36 for 93 points and the 8th seed. Ouch. We’re in deep, deep twouble.

ex-ex-STH

February 5th, 2011
1:00 pm

I agree RL…lets talk some hockey. So when is Duds going to pull the trigger on a trade??? Is this call-up of Kulda just a showcase for him to seal a deal with some other team? I would love to get Penner (and it is interesting why he is out with an “illness”) or even Arnott from NJ. Just do SOMETHING Duds!!

World Be Free

February 5th, 2011
1:22 pm

Yeah the blog hasn’t been a happy place the last day or so. Back to hockey. Anyone see the Detroit game last night, I did not. Unusual for them to get shutout especially on Fridays.

Smoothie-I am thinking a little different than you are when it comes to a trade, but we are both in the same direction. Here’s my thoughts-

I am really excited to see Kulda tonight, bet he is happy to finally be back in a Thrasher uniform. If he is the real deal, then we have to wonder which left defenseman may be used as trade bait at the deadline (or before). Johnny? We all know Oduya was not thrilled about coming here to begin with. Could he be moved for help if Kulda shows he can play at this level on a regular basis. I don’t see Hainsey going anywhere with his contract. We also have to view Postma as a player for the future, is he next year’s replacement for Meyer or Sopel? We’d miss Sopel’s shot blocking expertise.

Food for thought.

Smoothie

February 5th, 2011
1:38 pm

WBF – actually, I pretty much agree with your view of our D-corps. If you get a chance, check out my latest Hockey Independent article that I wrote a couple days ago and you’ll see what I mean. Postma is definitely a key piece of the future and I hope he becomes part of our top 4 eventually. But even if Kulda proves that he’s solid enough to stick with the big club playing with Sopel, Hainsey needs to step up and show that he can be more willing to use his skills and speed to carry the puck out of harm’s way or through the NZ to start the forecheck. Otherwise it may be too detrimental in the short term to trade Oduya now, but I think he’ll be shipped out eventually, prolly this summer at or near the draft.

If Duds pulls a trade soon then it will likely involve Bergy, Pevs, Oduya, Modin (we all wish!) or perhaps even Sopel. Should Kulda really impress (and I think he’s very capable of playing in the bottom pair) then Sopel may be better trade bait at the deadline as he has value as a shut-down bottom pair guy AND he likely won’t re-sign with Atlanta next year.

Sage of Bluesland

February 5th, 2011
1:39 pm

Some keep expecting this looming prospect of a “big” trade to be the all-saving salve….It isn’t and it won’t be.

When has it ever?

Well, unless we completely mortgage the future for a few short-term (only) upgrades.

No thanks. Let’s stick with, “This is a NEW day in Thrashersland!” It has gotten many through the proverbial night…

(Thanks, LAC–but don’t worry about imbeciles; they’re simply not worth the time….They weren’t here years ago–and won’t be here years from now…They are what they are–and we ALL know what that is…)

Sage of Bluesland

February 5th, 2011
1:41 pm

…What do we have that anyone would pay a very high price for???

(I know, I know, there is someone around here who thinks lil’ Toby is on his way to the Hall of Fame…That one still makes me laugh…)

No kings-ransoms’ here folks…unless its our future 1st round picks….which should be lottery-selections for the foreseeable future (as they have been for what, seven/eight of the past ten years….Brendan had a sad stat on that…but then I think of whose hands they were in and I completely understand, spweadsheet notwithstanding…)

Cliff Fletcher

February 5th, 2011
1:44 pm

buffalo blew a 2 goal lead in pittsburgh last night, you have to wonder if they will be buyers or sellers at the deadline. they have little chance of making an impact in the playoffs even if they make it, sabres need to move the UFA guys for prospects or picks. all the teams chasing us have issues.

Cliff Fletcher

February 5th, 2011
1:48 pm

Hey Sage, didn’t you post the exact same thing 2 years ago? 2 mos ago?
Master of the Obvious/like a toilet flushing.

thrashersaddict

February 5th, 2011
2:16 pm

Go Thrashers!!! PLEASE!!! We need 2 points!!! PLEASE!!!

mike

February 5th, 2011
2:25 pm

hey Tom seriously check the record thrashers with Don 11 for years. are you happy or contend to enjoy that. you just unbelievable. I AM AGREE LET THIS TEAM BE AT LEAST ON EVEN LEVEL WITH OTHER 29 RATHER ON DON WADDELL AND ASG IN ATLANTA. on my last check no Mr Blank no Mark Cuban not interesting, so most richest black populations folks in Atlanta (statistically one is the biggest in USA), some told me they already bought minority share in falcons. TOM, please step up and buy from levensons gang, if not thrashers done in south capital of college and high football in America.

World Be Free

February 5th, 2011
2:49 pm

Smoothie-please send me the link to your article.
Dudley will have a tough time making a trade because everyone in the league knows he needs to make one. Duds will not make a knee-jerk deal with the Coburn/Zhitnik fiasco.

Cliff Fletcher

February 5th, 2011
3:01 pm

Acer

February 5th, 2011
3:09 pm

A rumor with little substance.

Cliff Fletcher

February 5th, 2011
4:00 pm

acer-hope you are correct for sure

alex

February 5th, 2011
4:04 pm

very good news for gearon, levenson and remaining asg. finally they going to achieve there’s ultimate goal running nhl out from atlanta, getting 200 mil. for last litigation with king spalding group. live is good. only last wish, please let dw pitch the shovels in winnipeg locker as assistant of team mas sager. the resume with business degree and outstanding record in atlanta included.

Tom

February 5th, 2011
4:45 pm

Hey Mike, learn to spell and capitalize and then we can have a discussion. Grammar, not the old lady living in the guest room, is optional.

Tom

February 5th, 2011
4:57 pm

Reading the interview with Dudley they finish up with the Buffs/Ladd negotiations and how they are still talking.

Let’s be honest, getting guys to stick in Atlanta is hard right now with the moronic ownership and the fan base looking for reassurances.

The way to get the fans fired up is to over pay these 2 guys for a few years. Yep, spend too much on them. Offer Buff 5 years at 27.5 million and Laddy 5 at 22.5. Build on them. They both seem to enjoy being here and the young guys look up to them.

Then when we have to start negotiating with other guys they will be more willing to keep the locker room together and fight for each other.

We have to get rid of the cheapskate mentality. Guys will take a discount to play for the Red Wings, not the Thrashers….

Tom Lysiak

February 5th, 2011
5:11 pm

Tom, I believe mike may have been addressing me. No way to really know, but just in case…..

hey mike – sorry, but I didn’t get but about two things you said there. Let me make my position absolutely clear for ya here:

1) I can’t stand the owners and what they have done TO the team, as well as what they have not done FOR the team. Heck, everybody hates them. I also can’t stand liars.

2) I think Waddell’s record stands on it’s own, ready to be dissected. Look at the win/loss records. Look at the drafting history. Look at the farm team and the disconnect with the big club. Look at the players in the system or lack thereof. He would not have kept his job in most cities, with most owners, for this long. He served a purpose for these owners. On the other hand, what GM would have worked for these owners that long?

3) I am a fan of the Atlanta Thrashers. I’m not a fan of ASG. I’m not a fan of Don Waddell. I don’t own any jerseys or sweatshirts that say ASG or DW on them. Get it? I also am not obsessed with getting the owners and Waddell back in any way. That will take care of itself.

4) I was here when the Flames were sold and moved away. We got lucky when we got a second chance. There won’t be a third.

5) There are a couple of old women who post on here calling people names, being condescending, and trying to intimidate some regular bloggers. They want people to stop supporting the team in person, and denigrate anyone who dares not agree with their “plan”. They claim that their “plan” will force a sale and the new owners will keep the team here and we’ll all live happily ever after. They don’t know squat.

6) I have enough money to buy tickets, not the whole team. Just FYI.

7) Summing it up for you mike, I’m not happy with the owners, Waddell, or the product they have put on the ice. But, I am happy to be able to see NHL games live and in person within a 30 minute drive. I just want to be able to continue doing that. Clear enough for you?

Tom Lysiak

February 5th, 2011
5:20 pm

Tom, I’m with you on the Buff and Ladd signings. With all this turmoil and lawsuits though, it is hard to see that actually coming about. I know if I were Buff or Ladd, I would be hesitant to sign long term anyway, with the “storied” franchise history. Then, you add these less than truthful, clownish owners in the mix and it becomes a harder sell. Finally, when you add the uncertainty of the team being sold and possibly having to move again, just not real attractive all of a sudden. That is my fear of why the contracts haven’t been worked out. Hope I am wrong!!!

Cliff Fletcher

February 5th, 2011
5:25 pm

we all know where the problems lie with the team and what is needed to fix them. bettman has stepped in before to keep franchises from moving, find ways to fix problems that are no fault of the fans. lets hope he does the same here, the hockey fans of atlanta deserve a chance to repeat what they did the first few seasons the thrashers were here, supposrting a bad team with the hope they would get better. changes need to be made or this team won’t make it in any city.

Joe Friday

February 5th, 2011
6:26 pm

Bettman and Daly’s comments and lack of support are beginning to get some context

tonyb

February 5th, 2011
6:43 pm

Remember, this is the Canadian press, whose agenda it is to get a sunbelt team to move back to Winnipeg. This rumor goes directly against everything Bettman said last week at the all star game. He does not want to lose this city, and he will give the city every opportunity to keep the team.

People, you have to toughen up. Atlanta is the capital city of the south, Regardless of what you read in the Canadian press, the population trends are showing that northerners are relocating to his region in huge numbers. The NHL knows that. The NHL needs TV money. To be honest, the NHL needs Atlanta a hell of a lot more than Atlanta needs the NHL. If the NHL ushers out huge teams like Atlanta and Phoenix, for po dunk little places like Winnipeg or Quebec City, the league will again be viewed as a nice little regional sports league rather than a,major player with baseball, basketball and of course, football. Goodluck seeing that huge espn or fox deal when you just turned your back on the capital city of southern region of the US, and all of its millions of people and all of its billions of dollars.

mrfixit

February 5th, 2011
6:47 pm

We have no way of knowing what is going to happen. I have lost a lot of interest because of what has taken place. The team has proformed well the first half, the past month, well look at the record.
If they can right the ship with more solid zone play and shore up the porus defense, we just might make it. However, if not, that may well be it. We have to have a massive forecheck tonight
and no letting up. We have lit up Ward several times, and tonight needs to one of those nights.
A lot of fans are fed up with the owners, myself included, My attendence has tailed off for the past four years, not because of the team per say, but the continued empty promises of the ownership.
Now we find out through court papers, they have been dishonest to faithful fans ? That made me sick to my stomach. I bet, if Arthur Blank, with his creditability and commitment to Atlanta
were to buy this team, attendence would be near, if not, sold out every game… Why, Because we know he is a winner, honest and will do whatever it takes to win. Something these current owners will and can never never do. I have to laugh at several on the blog who attack others.
Sage, LAC, Stroz seems to have one point of view, most would not 100% agree with, but they are not close from wrong most cases. Then Cliff, Tom, Smoothie and others who post quality comments, but always bash the forementioned guys for no real reason, heck, they are fans too.
But calling people out as little old women, that was about as stupid as something the ASG would say. Show some respect guys, everyone has a point to make, get over it and focus on the task at hand. Lastly we have to have a win tonight, a tie, or loss does 8th place in, as Carolina ownes the series 2-0-0 over us as we are 0-0-2, plus they have two games in hand, let that be your topic.

Hokie P. Clisters

February 5th, 2011
6:52 pm

Optional headlines after tonight’s game:
Thrashers run into Hurricanes and leave as tropical depressions………………….
Thrashers take wind out of Hurricanes and leave as free birds…………
Thrashers washed out by Hurricanes and circle drain of discontent………….
Hurricanes are exposed in the “buff” by Thrashers…………..

tonyb

February 5th, 2011
7:03 pm

mrfixit, you are so right about Blank. If he buys, attendance would soar.

I tend to believe people until they are caught in a lie. Bettman said there are no relocation plans and that the league would take every step it could to help a team before relocation is considered.

People, think about that blog for just a moment. The league would offer the ASG 125 million for the team, Remember, the team has 9 years at 9 million left on the Phillips deal, Losing that 81 million, they would collect a check for 44 million for the team. The very worst NHL team goes for more than double that amount. And what about all the lost revenue from concessions. I mean, they own the lease rights to the building. And the building is very profitable. Thus, the ASG would be giving the team away.

What will happen is this summer the NHL, much like Phoenix, will help the ASG find a buyer. The ASG wants to keep the team in Atlanta because, well, they own the building. There are people willing to invest in the NHL, especially in an market the size of Atlanta.

Brendan

February 5th, 2011
7:17 pm

Great, our hockey game has been preempted b/c of a basketball game between Alabama and Tennessee. This should be illegal.

Rightshot

February 5th, 2011
7:19 pm

I am reminded why I really don’t like basketball.

Russian

February 5th, 2011
7:23 pm

Who cares about Basketball.

Brendan

February 5th, 2011
7:28 pm

Red Light, back when Atlanta hosted the All-Star game, Don Waddell confirmed something I’d long suspected, but never thought I could ever prove. He stated that, back in 2000, had he held the 1st overall pick that year … he would have selected Rick DiPietro (and not Dany Heatley) at the Draft. As much as we’ve all done our fair share of Kari Lehtonen-bashing, hasn’t Rick DiPietro been on the IR even more?!! I think, “yes.” Truthfully, imagine how angry we would have been, at THAT time, back in 2000, if Waddell had passed on Heatley!! Relax. DiPietro is under contract until he’s 40, as an Islander. So, we’re “safe.”

To the Winnipeg trolls … if our franchise were actually relocated there, I’d want a CONDITION on the relocation that the Heptacluster had to remain on as owners, for a DECADE, with Don Waddell as GM, CEO, and Team President. Enjoy watching the Heptacluster spend all their money not tied up in litigation go to the Atlanta Hawks. And when your attendance, in Year Three, in Winnipeg is 8,500 a night … that all AJC bloggers be ordered to reassemble on the Winnipeg hockey message boards to ask them “So, how do your like your NHL franchise? Was it worth it?”

Brendan

February 5th, 2011
7:31 pm

Nic Bergsfors!! 1-0, Thrashers!!! Bryan Little with a helper!

Brendan

February 5th, 2011
7:32 pm

There was a “delayed” penalty on the goal, so … does that count as a PP goal? We did have the extra man on the ice when the goal was scored.

Curly

February 5th, 2011
7:32 pm

I called DISH network about the game not being broadcast. Listen to this…. The response I got was the game is not on is because Georgia is in the Western time zone so the game will not come on until 9:00 pm. I’m serious.

Brendan

February 5th, 2011
7:35 pm

Curly, the game’s on FSSO. DISH Network doesn’t carry that channel?

Hockey Biltong

February 5th, 2011
8:02 pm

just as if the Thrash went into OT, the game would be played until termination. same for bball.you win some, you lose some.

Rawhide

February 5th, 2011
8:03 pm

There was a “delayed” penalty on the goal, so … does that count as a PP goal? We did have the extra man on the ice when the goal was scored.

Brendan – No. Technically it is still even strength, 6v6. We had 6 skaters and no goalie, the Canes had 5 skaters and the goalie.

Hockey Biltong

February 5th, 2011
8:05 pm

on the broadcast, that is….

Joe Friday

February 5th, 2011
8:42 pm

Great kill…so far. But why the heck is Modin even skating tonight? Awful penalty by him and bad call by coach to dress him.

Got to pull this one out, gonna call a game winner by Buf, we better come out strong all third period

ZAvalanche

February 5th, 2011
8:45 pm

Cornbread – agreed, that is exactly why D have square tips on their blades. Some of the more offensive D men will have a bit rounder toe and a bit of a curve, but a flatter – square blade does make it easier to dig in the corners. I prefer the Yzerman blade (doubt if it was the actual specs of his blade) as I played both ends depending on the players we had.

Rawhide

February 5th, 2011
8:50 pm

Since scoring two goals in the closing minutes of the January 17 game in Florida, the Thrashers have score one third period goal in the past six game. Andrew Ladd netted that one in Tampa Bay to pull Atlanta to within six of the Lightning. In that time, they’ve been outscored 7-1 in minutes 40 through 60.

In the last nine games, they’ve been outscored 15-3 in the third.

Tonight would be a pretty good time to turn that trend around, (DUH5)

Joe Friday

February 5th, 2011
8:55 pm

How much left on this 5 on 3? Win the draw, kill the rest off, and skate like your lives depend on it!

Hoof Arted

February 5th, 2011
9:26 pm

Note to Graig Ramsay: Whenever the Thrashers have just scored a huge game tying goal…

DO NOT PUT ZACH BOGOSIAN OUT ON THE ICE!!!!!

Good lord! Please bring up Postma and sit Bogsian’s ass in the press box until Toby’s finger is better!

Hoof Arted

February 5th, 2011
9:35 pm

I officially take back that last comment.

Great goal Zach!

Now, please play some defense.

LAC

February 5th, 2011
9:43 pm

Bad/Soft goal, NINTH place, another chock game, We are now offically Done !

Brendan

February 5th, 2011
10:00 pm

By the way, Congratulations to Carolina! They played a pretty decent game.

Ric Dudley told Jeff Schultz, during the offseason, “I think I’m pretty GOOD at what I do. I think I can do this job BETTER THAN ANYONE.” Okay. Prove it. If every game is a ‘playoff game,’ then Atlanta trails the series, 3-0, for they haven’t won since the All-Star break. In the last 20 games, straight-up, the Thrashers are 4-16, with one of those wins being the “miracle” comeback, in Sunrise, FL, vs. the Cats, another hapless organization without a playoff win in over a DECADE.

Dudley told Chris Vivlamore, “Ideally, we’d like to add two forwards and a defenseman.” Well, you do have $18 million in cap room. Since you do your job BETTER THAN ANYONE, I’m looking forward to watching you solve the problem not is now the Thrashers OUTSIDE the playoff field with teams beneath us holding games-in-hand.

Cornbread

February 5th, 2011
10:14 pm

I do believe Pavs would like to have all 4 of those goals back tonight. Some good shots but also stoppable.

LAC

February 5th, 2011
10:24 pm

I agree Brenden, I am starting to believe he DOES NOT know his job and is taking pointers from WORTHLESS, collect a paycheck only, waddell. Sad to see, but The National Hockey League needs to step and step in NOW ! Where are you GARY BETTMAN, Do something are you that BLIND !!!! As for dudley, either do something or RESIGN !

Brendan

February 5th, 2011
10:24 pm

Rawhide, it is true that the Thrashers are 4-16, including that “miracle” win vs. Florida, in Sunrise, in the past 20 games? If so, wouldn’t a hypothetical “Good GM” see a trend there, and act accordingly?

How much cap room do the Thrashers have, Rawhide? Is it $18 million? Dudley said he wanted to add two forwards and a defender, but wanted to wait-n-see if the team actually needed them. Is he still “evaluating?”

Curly

February 5th, 2011
10:29 pm

Cornbread – The third Hurricane goal (Jiri Tlusty) was deflected up and off the shaft of Bogosian’s stick. No way Pavs could have stopped that.

Brendan

February 5th, 2011
10:31 pm

Ranallo warning??

Joe Friday

February 5th, 2011
10:32 pm

simply brutal. Why did Coach sit Buf? Puts Sopel out on the point late in the 3rd on the PP?

I think Bogosian’s stick deflected Carolina’s 3rd one, at least he hit the net with the goalie pulled this time. Oduya made a couple nice backpedals out of the way oon two Carolina rushes that became goals.

Thrashy Thrashy

February 5th, 2011
10:32 pm

Rick Dudley is not a stupid man. Therefore, if he doesn’t make any significant moves soon, we’ll all know why.

On the bright side, a lack of personnel improvement via trade would give us all a good reason to b***h and moan. One can never discount the importance of that.

Brendan

February 5th, 2011
10:43 pm

Thrashy Thrashy has it right. “There’s nothing more AMERICAN than to complain about things.” That’s kinda how our whole country got started! We saw things we didn’t like, and decided to change them.

KLS1

February 5th, 2011
10:44 pm

I like Kulda…a couple hiccups but a lot of upside.

Gotta win though…we are so damn soft. We score to tie and they score seconds laters. Its exhausing to always play from behind…and it shows.

Brendan

February 5th, 2011
10:45 pm

Before we leave the topic of tonight’s game entirely, how about Kane laying down a fight challenge that the ‘Canes played wimped on?? I think it was in the 2nd period.

Rick Dudley

February 5th, 2011
11:06 pm

Don’t panic, by the time we are in 11th place I will trade for a soft winger who once scored 15 goals three seasons ago and call him a Top 6 F

Rawhide

February 5th, 2011
11:28 pm

That thump you heard from Raleigh, NC was the sound of the Thrashers falling out of their playoff birth.

Sage of Bluesland

February 5th, 2011
11:34 pm

Rawhide: berth…Berth…BERTH….

(Sorry about that–it’s one of those grammar things)

ZAvalanche

February 6th, 2011
12:49 pm

OK, OK, I know this is a Thrashers board and you all know I love Thrashy and, obviously, know who my number 1 team is. I have news to deliver; Peter Forsberg has officially joined the Avs. He won’t play tomorrow’s game, for all of you that have Center Ice, but the following game he is slated to be on a line with Duchene and Hejduk. To hell with the Super Bowl, I am going to watch Foppa highlights on Youtube all day.

Anyhow, as for Thrashy (who is performing but not producing), they aren’t out till the math says they are. Injuries have hurt the team, but that happens to every team. Time to stop making excuses and go out, put your head down, metaphorically, and buck up. Acquire a top “stay at home” D and a real power forward. I think that would solve many problems they have. I don’t know the name of any out there who are available but I am sure RL or Smoothie or Corn could provide some names.

On another note: Packers 27 Steelers 21